Correction: The Alberta Field Force was the column that found the remains of Frog Lake. Not the Battleford Relief Column. There's also been an editing error at 23:10 where the same information is repeated twice, sorry!
Thank you for the video. It was very informative. I don’t think that your original version was racially biased. Wars are terrible and there is always plenty of horrible events perpetrated by both sides. Some people would prefer to think that only the other side did bad things and that their side were either victims or heroes. Unfortunately the world doesn’t work that way.
I have blood red the sun a few years ago can’t really remember all that was in there but I also read The Frog lake massacre by Bill Gallaher and there was another white man besides bill Cameron that survived and he’s the one that got bill gallaher to write this book , so just wondering if you read that book
It feels weird to do a video on what happened at Frog Lake with no mention about any of the wider context of Indigenous People at the time, beyond just "lust and thirst for blood". That seems to be a very simplistic take on a much more nuanced period of history. No mention of any of the other social and economic factors which made the violence of 1885 occur? You're correct, it's not right to just say "Canada bad" and paint Indigenous people as helpless victims, especially in the case of something like the Frog Lake massacre. But it's also wrong just to dismiss historical events like these as being the product of "bad people" and "murdering scum" without any engagement in the larger historical picture. From watching several of your videos it seems likely you have a bias towards one narrative of Canadian history without seeming to meaningfully engage with more nuanced narratives that most scholars and historians seem to engage with. Or at least that's my perspective as someone very passionate about Canadian history from my own Indigenous perspective. Hope you can take this as a good faith critique from someone who is also interested in this history.
I appreciate your comment and will do my best to answer. The reason I didn't cover the causes of the rebellion is because that would take a whole video on its own, this one is already half an hour long. The individual who led this massacre, Wandering Spirit is an individual I feel as though can accurately be described as someone who lusted for murder, blood shed, or in other words a "bad person" as there are numerous first hand accounts about him saying he wished to exterminate the white race and other similar statements. Now this obviously doesn't mean every native or even every warrior in that specific tribe a bad person. As stated in the video there were individuals in the tribe who were against this bloodshed and wished to not take part. People have the free will to choose between good and bad and on that day of the massacre Wandering Spirit and several others chose evil, whereas others chose mercy. I plan to do many more Northwest Rebellion videos in the future (at my rate with filming and uploading videos it'll take a while... lol) which will cover a lot more information about the cause of the war and so on. In a way I suppose you could say I am biased, biased as in I use historical first hand accounts, records, etc to build upon my understanding of history rather than the numerous myths and legends which are often taken as historical fact nowadays. Many historians, authors, etc within the last couple decades do the opposite. Oftentimes they take oral history from descendants of individuals who may have been involved and often they take that as 100% historical truth. As this is done many people don't ever question its authenticity and continue to teach it in books, websites, articles, etc. Oral history is interesting but it's often very far from the truth, especially when it only comes from one individual. I strive to understand history how it actually happened via using multiple sources that back each other up. Many myths about the Northwest Rebellion and other events have emerged from just one statement from an individual who wasn't even alive at the time, which have been continually republished in books which sadly spreads lies and misconceptions. I can see why people believe I am biased because what I say often doesn't match the many articles online or recently published books on the subject, but if you search the first hand accounts, records, archeological evidence, etc you will see that it matches the actual history of the event. I hope this helps clarify any misconceptions and answers any questions you may have had about the video.
@@thehistoadian Fair enough, thanks for the reply. I don't necessarily agree with your assessment of modern historiography (at least academic, popular history is another matter)...as you know, while we can't take oral histories at 100% face value, neither can we fully trust the first-hand sources either. A good historian takes the sources we have access to and critically analyzes them for the biases of time and other information and wider historical contexts we have access to, as I'm sure you're aware. I think that critical lens is something more modern history has done much better than those of previous decades, which I can pretty confidently say with my experience in researching lots of first-hand sources in Canadian history. Anyway, rants aside, we'll probably end up disagreeing on a lot of how we understand narratives of our country's history but I'm glad we can have a good dialogue on it. We've all inherited this messy, violent, and still very divisive history whether we like it or not, and I hope we can have empathy and understanding towards one another as Indigenous and non-Indigenous people. Just know a lot of us are very quick to jump on to what we see as misconceptions or potentially racist narratives because of how impactful this history continues to be in our lives and communities every single day. Cheers.
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Correction: The Alberta Field Force was the column that found the remains of Frog Lake. Not the Battleford Relief Column.
There's also been an editing error at 23:10 where the same information is repeated twice, sorry!
History can be very messy.
Great video, as a First Nations man, I didn’t find this, or your previous video, racially biased. You simply told the history. 👍
Thank you for the video. It was very informative. I don’t think that your original version was racially biased. Wars are terrible and there is always plenty of horrible events perpetrated by both sides. Some people would prefer to think that only the other side did bad things and that their side were either victims or heroes. Unfortunately the world doesn’t work that way.
I have blood red the sun a few years ago can’t really remember all that was in there but I also read The Frog lake massacre by Bill Gallaher and there was another white man besides bill Cameron that survived and he’s the one that got bill gallaher to write this book , so just wondering if you read that book
Thank you for commenting, the only other survivors were Metis, only one white man and the women (who were taken prisoner) survived.
It feels weird to do a video on what happened at Frog Lake with no mention about any of the wider context of Indigenous People at the time, beyond just "lust and thirst for blood". That seems to be a very simplistic take on a much more nuanced period of history. No mention of any of the other social and economic factors which made the violence of 1885 occur? You're correct, it's not right to just say "Canada bad" and paint Indigenous people as helpless victims, especially in the case of something like the Frog Lake massacre. But it's also wrong just to dismiss historical events like these as being the product of "bad people" and "murdering scum" without any engagement in the larger historical picture. From watching several of your videos it seems likely you have a bias towards one narrative of Canadian history without seeming to meaningfully engage with more nuanced narratives that most scholars and historians seem to engage with. Or at least that's my perspective as someone very passionate about Canadian history from my own Indigenous perspective. Hope you can take this as a good faith critique from someone who is also interested in this history.
I appreciate your comment and will do my best to answer. The reason I didn't cover the causes of the rebellion is because that would take a whole video on its own, this one is already half an hour long. The individual who led this massacre, Wandering Spirit is an individual I feel as though can accurately be described as someone who lusted for murder, blood shed, or in other words a "bad person" as there are numerous first hand accounts about him saying he wished to exterminate the white race and other similar statements. Now this obviously doesn't mean every native or even every warrior in that specific tribe a bad person. As stated in the video there were individuals in the tribe who were against this bloodshed and wished to not take part. People have the free will to choose between good and bad and on that day of the massacre Wandering Spirit and several others chose evil, whereas others chose mercy. I plan to do many more Northwest Rebellion videos in the future (at my rate with filming and uploading videos it'll take a while... lol) which will cover a lot more information about the cause of the war and so on. In a way I suppose you could say I am biased, biased as in I use historical first hand accounts, records, etc to build upon my understanding of history rather than the numerous myths and legends which are often taken as historical fact nowadays. Many historians, authors, etc within the last couple decades do the opposite. Oftentimes they take oral history from descendants of individuals who may have been involved and often they take that as 100% historical truth. As this is done many people don't ever question its authenticity and continue to teach it in books, websites, articles, etc. Oral history is interesting but it's often very far from the truth, especially when it only comes from one individual. I strive to understand history how it actually happened via using multiple sources that back each other up. Many myths about the Northwest Rebellion and other events have emerged from just one statement from an individual who wasn't even alive at the time, which have been continually republished in books which sadly spreads lies and misconceptions. I can see why people believe I am biased because what I say often doesn't match the many articles online or recently published books on the subject, but if you search the first hand accounts, records, archeological evidence, etc you will see that it matches the actual history of the event. I hope this helps clarify any misconceptions and answers any questions you may have had about the video.
@@thehistoadian Fair enough, thanks for the reply. I don't necessarily agree with your assessment of modern historiography (at least academic, popular history is another matter)...as you know, while we can't take oral histories at 100% face value, neither can we fully trust the first-hand sources either. A good historian takes the sources we have access to and critically analyzes them for the biases of time and other information and wider historical contexts we have access to, as I'm sure you're aware. I think that critical lens is something more modern history has done much better than those of previous decades, which I can pretty confidently say with my experience in researching lots of first-hand sources in Canadian history. Anyway, rants aside, we'll probably end up disagreeing on a lot of how we understand narratives of our country's history but I'm glad we can have a good dialogue on it. We've all inherited this messy, violent, and still very divisive history whether we like it or not, and I hope we can have empathy and understanding towards one another as Indigenous and non-Indigenous people. Just know a lot of us are very quick to jump on to what we see as misconceptions or potentially racist narratives because of how impactful this history continues to be in our lives and communities every single day. Cheers.