What many people don't immediately understand is that as the rivet cools, it shrinks to make the tightest connection possible without ever having to worry about stripping threads or rounding off the nuts and bolts.
Rivets are not the tightest. Bolts are tempered and work hardened and so can provide a higher clamping force. Rivets do contract when cooling, but they cannot provide as high a clamping force. But... over time a bolt can loosen if it doesn't have good locking features. Huck-bolts will provide high clamping fores and not loosen over time.
@@Fel1xF7W As the metal contracts, the heads get pulled together and clamp the plates together. They've been used on Steamships, Trains, and Truck Frames for love a hundred years.
@@johnguilfoyle3073 i've recently found out i'm a rivethead, so i'm interested to learn how they're used vs bolts and screws (even though that term is used to refer to music taste). i guess because it's like an acute form of welding, it's not so time consuming and is better for big projects that can have a lot of vibration
Nice job. For greater endurance in pressure vessels, don't forget to 'Tap-tap', the rivet on a hard surface to shed the oxide scale before fitting. (This reduces inclusions and helps reduce future corrosion weakness)
Hello, excellent video, very good education on riveting, how did you bend the angle in 0:43 to offset the material thickness? I'm planning to build a working bench myself, I did like a lot your metalworking style , I want to replicate your style.
this was riveting to watch. thanks for the info. I want to start making industrial style furniture and I was looking for ways to put real rivets into something. Too bad this is impractical for what I'm doing but I learned something. I wanted to make some stuff out of reclaimed wood and steel. I think the rivets would look cool , but apparently they are not for joining steel and wood together. but like I said I'm just researching. so maybe i have to look for some faux rivets or figure out what type of nuts and bolts would look good.
RC, you can do rivets on metal and wood but you have to do them cold. I've done it up to about 1/4" in diameter. It takes a lot hammering but it works and looks real. Hit it with a large flat face hammer to start then finish up with the ball end of a ball peen hammer. You can also use a rivet set tool you buy or make from an old punch or chisel. You also need the corresponding lower die to keep that side from flattening (fine if you don't see the back side..)
You could probably insert some kind of bushing or sleeve in the wood first to allow the rivet to be worked & still form your bucktail or opposing head.
I don't know why but there's always been something about a hot rivet that's beautiful to me. It's secure, you never have to tighten it like with a bolt and nut, and it's as solid as the metal surrounding it.
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Just a few questions. About the metal, is it mild steel rivets? Are they stronger than the higher strength bolts because their cross sectional area is bigger? And finally, is rivets used so that the project have zero movement in any joints? Thanks, riveting stuff!
Yes, rivets made of mild steel. I can't answer the other questions. You should ask the engineer. My technical English is very bad. But such questions are very stimulating to learn the language. Thank you for your question!
I know this is a very old question, but rivets are very strong. And most times will out last a high tensile steel bolt. At least in my industry, they last more since the both sides of the bolt get sandwiched and actually fill the gap in the middle of the layers of metal they are holding. So essentially they will not unthread and are actually anchored internally to multiple layers of steel. Sorry for lengthy explanation
As a blacksmith, I can tell you that forged objects are stronger than their machined counterparts, metallurgical-wise. Bolts are machined while hot rivets are forged.
Thank you for explaining it!! This is so fasinating to see how its done. But its reading everything you guys post explaining what it is your actually doing that that helps someone like me with 0.00000% idea of how any of that comes ti be, can understand , at least a little 😏, very much appreciated!!!
Take a heated rivet make it easier for a hydraulic press to mold the bottom of a rivet into a button head. As it seems the molding cause the rivet to lose its heat after it's being pressed.
Bolts are work hardened and tempered, they are stronger and can be tighten to give a higher clamping force, compared to the same diameter hot-rivet. But a bolt is more likely to loosen due to vibration, so additional methods are required to prevent that (lock washers, thread fasteners).
What kind of press is that? I really want to get into this but i dont know where to start. I love building things, and i love the look that hot rivets have.
Same idea, but a four person team. One to heat the rivets, one to place them, one to hold the back in place and one to hit the other side with a sledge hammer. Crazy to think of doing that tens of stories up in the air.
Yeah, it wouldn't work if the rivets were placed pointing down. The Rivet needs to be fully seated all the way through the hols before you start to upset the rivet to form the shop head. If you placed the rivet though the hole pointing down, than placed on it the lower die of the press, the weight of the frame would push the rivet back out of the hole. With the rivet pointing up, when you set it on the lower die, the weight of the frame holds everything together with the rivet all the way though.
Yes, they shrink as they cool, pulling plates tighter together. Also for leak sealing a boiler, the edges of the plates are calked with a special tool to swell the edge of the plate to seal any gaps that may still be present.
Please can you describe your pump setup? We are hydraulic riveting, but getting a fast enough action is a problem, with rivet cooling too soon when in longish contact with snaps.
Thanks for that information. I'm currently just sorting out my pump from new, and now worry that I could have that problem also. You blokes are a bunch of happy News. 'snow 5 months later, have you solved your problem..? Oh me, I am using a 2 stage pump.
The rivet is heated to yellow hot so that it is plastic and deforms correctly into the hole and into its head shape. It is also heated so as it cools, the rivet contracts and compresses the joint even further.
I'm. Much prefer these videos with no background music
Its not 'music', they are the actual machining sounds. You can turn your volume off
@@himalayan_ghost Mate i think he meant to say that ,he prefers these types of videos with no backround music.
We are all here to learn, turn the music off
Bro go learn English first lmfao
It's a compliment. They are saying they prefer this video as there is no background music
This was very helpful as I am learning about these kind of rivets in engineering.
What many people don't immediately understand is that as the rivet cools, it shrinks to make the tightest connection possible without ever having to worry about stripping threads or rounding off the nuts and bolts.
Rivets are not the tightest. Bolts are tempered and work hardened and so can provide a higher clamping force. Rivets do contract when cooling, but they cannot provide as high a clamping force. But... over time a bolt can loosen if it doesn't have good locking features. Huck-bolts will provide high clamping fores and not loosen over time.
@@johnguilfoyle3073 I don't know what to explain. Maybe you should read what I wrote again, including the part "Rivets do contract when cooling".
how does the rivet shrinking make a tighter connection? wouldn't that make it looser?
@@Fel1xF7W As the metal contracts, the heads get pulled together and clamp the plates together. They've been used on Steamships, Trains, and Truck Frames for love a hundred years.
@@johnguilfoyle3073 i've recently found out i'm a rivethead, so i'm interested to learn how they're used vs bolts and screws (even though that term is used to refer to music taste). i guess because it's like an acute form of welding, it's not so time consuming and is better for big projects that can have a lot of vibration
Nice job. For greater endurance in pressure vessels, don't forget to 'Tap-tap', the rivet on a hard surface to shed the oxide scale before fitting. (This reduces inclusions and helps reduce future corrosion weakness)
How to learn about mechanical stuff like this?
@@vardhanshah5283 a textbook of Machine Design by RS Khurmi , Chapter 9: Riveted Joints
You mean the slag ? There will always be slag .
So nice
This is the perfect video to understand how riveting is done.
Excellent camera angles and lighting 🙏🏻
I feel my heart is cured by watching this.
“That’s not going anywhere.”
I would love to see more of the machine that is doing the riveting. Great video!
I show the process of hydraulic hot riveting.
If you liked the video then put like and share with friends.
Thanks for watching!
Permission to share for education to students in solo-Indonesia. thank you for the knowledge that has been given
Great work
Hello, excellent video, very good education on riveting, how did you bend the angle in 0:43 to offset the material thickness? I'm planning to build a working bench myself, I did like a lot your metalworking style , I want to replicate your style.
i somehow found this satisfying lol
I would love to see how your forge is set up. It almost seems like you step on a pedal or something to lift the door? Whatever it is, I love it.
This was riveting from start to finish
this was riveting to watch. thanks for the info. I want to start making industrial style furniture and I was looking for ways to put real rivets into something. Too bad this is impractical for what I'm doing but I learned something. I wanted to make some stuff out of reclaimed wood and steel. I think the rivets would look cool , but apparently they are not for joining steel and wood together. but like I said I'm just researching. so maybe i have to look for some faux rivets or figure out what type of nuts and bolts would look good.
RC, you can do rivets on metal and wood but you have to do them cold. I've done it up to about 1/4" in diameter. It takes a lot hammering but it works and looks real. Hit it with a large flat face hammer to start then finish up with the ball end of a ball peen hammer. You can also use a rivet set tool you buy or make from an old punch or chisel. You also need the corresponding lower die to keep that side from flattening (fine if you don't see the back side..)
You could probably insert some kind of bushing or sleeve in the wood first to allow the rivet to be worked & still form your bucktail or opposing head.
Or just use an annealed ‘O’ aluminum rivet that forms easily.
Keep it up and you’ll have a titanic.
I AM SATISFIED THANK YOU!
in what other applications are these used besides the vibration-affected ones?
Really beautiful work
Why is this so satisfying to watch????
Most Strong from both side. THANKS.
Very satisfying to watch, thank you
i have 4 assignments due and im watching hot riveting videos what have i done
Same here
You've watched hot riveting videos rather than do your assignment.
Is this a stronger fastener technique compared to riveting without the heat?
I don't know why but there's always been something about a hot rivet that's beautiful to me. It's secure, you never have to tighten it like with a bolt and nut, and it's as solid as the metal surrounding it.
Very cool looking in from Ireland 🇮🇪
Yes please :) Its fantastic. Are you making some industrial furniture ?
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This was very helpful as I am learning about these kind of rivets in engineering
from india
Why? Riveting is obsolete now.
Studying and preparation
So satisfying 💓
Seriously, I could watch that all day.
So, do you buy your rivets or make them yourself?
its kinda a relaxation video..... almost without the sound
This is weirdly satisfying
hello industrial studio,great video, I'm amazed with the lap joint shown in 0:43, how did you do that? I'm seriously interested in learning how
I got it, after many hours surfing the internet, its made with a die and an hydraulic press
Those rivets do their job!
Just a few questions. About the metal, is it mild steel rivets? Are they stronger than the higher strength bolts because their cross sectional area is bigger? And finally, is rivets used so that the project have zero movement in any joints?
Thanks, riveting stuff!
Yes, rivets made of mild steel.
I can't answer the other questions. You should ask the engineer.
My technical English is very bad. But such questions are very stimulating to learn the language. Thank you for your question!
I know this is a very old question, but rivets are very strong. And most times will out last a high tensile steel bolt. At least in my industry, they last more since the both sides of the bolt get sandwiched and actually fill the gap in the middle of the layers of metal they are holding. So essentially they will not unthread and are actually anchored internally to multiple layers of steel. Sorry for lengthy explanation
As a blacksmith, I can tell you that forged objects are stronger than their machined counterparts and bolts are machined metallurgical-wise.
As a blacksmith, I can tell you that forged objects are stronger than their machined counterparts, metallurgical-wise. Bolts are machined while hot rivets are forged.
Thank you for explaining it!! This is so fasinating to see how its done. But its reading everything you guys post explaining what it is your actually doing that that helps someone like me with 0.00000% idea of how any of that comes ti be, can understand , at least a little 😏, very much appreciated!!!
this is so satisfying to watch
Great video and great work bro
how long does the rivet needs to be? any formula?
Good job 👌
absolutely riveted to the screen
Thank you for making this video
It's fantastic man, keep it up 💯
Does the press cool the rivet as it compresses it?
Hello. Can you show what your press looks like? and what components it consists of. What is the "C" handle made of
How many pounds of pressure used to make fitment?
I'm interested in how cold riveting is done
I love the old school rivets
Tysm i had to see for my physics exam
Someone make an industrial music album from this pls
Out of coureosity other than esthetics, where are rivits used functionally and where to lose to welding or bolts
Thank you 😊
Thanks for making my day❤️❤️❤️❤️
Hi, can you tell us the diameter of the rivet, and how much it sticks out before it is pressed? Thanks, great video, very helpful.
Hi. Rivet diameter 12mm.
Rivet protrudes 1.5 diameters - 18mm
@@INDUSTRIALSTUDIO Thanks so much!
What diameter shafts are those rivets?
Thanks
12mm
very satisfying video
Bridge worker here
Good luck trying to remove one of those.I'm removing rivets that are 88 years old, you won't believe how tough they still are.
Why's rivets over bolts?
Enjoyable video, thanks for sharing! The intro music is used by Casually Explained for his outros, and it threw me off more than it should, haha
Take a heated rivet make it easier for a hydraulic press to mold the bottom of a rivet into a button head. As it seems the molding cause the rivet to lose its heat after it's being pressed.
How many tons of force does the yellow press have?
14 tons
@@INDUSTRIALSTUDIO okay but if the rivet isn't heated, how much tons of force it'll take?
Please refer good hydraulic hot riveting machine brands
Wonderful !!
That was riveting!
Как красиво!
So whats stronger? Hot riveting or properly sized bolts? Or about the same?
Bolts are work hardened and tempered, they are stronger and can be tighten to give a higher clamping force, compared to the same diameter hot-rivet. But a bolt is more likely to loosen due to vibration, so additional methods are required to prevent that (lock washers, thread fasteners).
Aw yeah, that's the good stuff
waow, we have to draw these in class
p cool stuff
And now I want everything hot riveted!
1000 th subscriber
Why not welded ??
Давай еще видосов. Активнее 👍👍👍👍
What kind of press is that? I really want to get into this but i dont know where to start. I love building things, and i love the look that hot rivets have.
Looks hydraulic to me.
What are these style of rivets called?
So satisfying
Do you make your own rivets too?
No i buy rivets
so good.
That was satisfying to watch 😎
So this is how they built The Eiffel Tower, Empire State Building, and Titanic!?!?!?
Same idea, but a four person team. One to heat the rivets, one to place them, one to hold the back in place and one to hit the other side with a sledge hammer. Crazy to think of doing that tens of stories up in the air.
and here i thouht that hammers were used.😅
Often they are.
А какие у преса характеристики?
Just curious, is there a reason why the rivets were placed pointing up instead of pointing down the holes?
Yeah, it wouldn't work if the rivets were placed pointing down. The Rivet needs to be fully seated all the way through the hols before you start to upset the rivet to form the shop head. If you placed the rivet though the hole pointing down, than placed on it the lower die of the press, the weight of the frame would push the rivet back out of the hole. With the rivet pointing up, when you set it on the lower die, the weight of the frame holds everything together with the rivet all the way though.
@@andrewalexander9492 That makes perfect sense. Thank you for explaining it. Looking forward to more videos! :)
do these actually seal gases? i see them on steam engines but it seems unlikely it could have a gas seal
Yes, they shrink as they cool, pulling plates tighter together. Also for leak sealing a boiler, the edges of the plates are calked with a special tool to swell the edge of the plate to seal any gaps that may still be present.
Excellent
Please can you describe your pump setup? We are hydraulic riveting, but getting a fast enough action is a problem, with rivet cooling too soon when in longish contact with snaps.
Thanks for that information. I'm currently just sorting out my pump from new, and now worry that I could have that problem also. You blokes are a bunch of happy News. 'snow 5 months later, have you solved your problem..? Oh me, I am using a 2 stage pump.
Hello. Im verry intresting in the Riveting process. Do you know how i can buy a small rivet press for Iron Rivets ???
Hi! I made this press myself. Unfortunately, I don't know where to buy something like that.
@@INDUSTRIALSTUDIO Thanks. you use a normal Press ?
good work!!
You can look at it forever)
Oh yeah
0:45 is downright pornographic
how?
Доброго дня! Интересуюсь изготовление подобного пресса, подскажите пожалуйста на сколько тонн ваш?
Здравствуйте! Рассчетное давление около 13тс.
На форуме ковка гуру есть тема с описанием комплектующих и пр
@@INDUSTRIALSTUDIO спасибо большое!
That is so cool
Very cool.
Can you answer me a Question ASAP : Why is the rivet heated before riveting?
The rivet is heated to yellow hot so that it is plastic and deforms correctly into the hole and into its head shape. It is also heated so as it cools, the rivet contracts and compresses the joint even further.
How many tons of pressing is required? Could I do that with a regular 20 ton hydraulic hand pump press?
Might be too slow. The process is supposed to be done before the rivet reaches black heat.
So very cool
How hot do these get? I'm willing to think it's about 900 ⁰c
1100-1200
Nice riveting
Sounds dumb, but I could watch this for HOURS!
Anyone know a place to get hot rivet gun in the UK
Amazing
0:19 so satisfying
Safe to say that is never coming undone