Liquid Metal for CPU Coolers - Worth it Over Paste?
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Always fun to re-visit liquid metal under certain settings.
Tonne of GPU content lined up next week - stay tuned!
can you do a thermal paste and liquid metal mixed
Could you please make a video about SLI/Crossfire on your X399 TaichiM utilizing the top and the bottom vs. the top and middle PCIe x16 slots. The Ceberus case has 5 PCIe slots. I dont know which cards are available to you but I'd love to see that!
Any chance you can do a video with a short gpu in the ghost s1 and a SFF AIO behind the power supply ??
So stop at 1:50
I have watched a livestream last Sunday with Roman Der8auer.
And hes said aftert all his test he has the conclusion that after Aluminium Copper is the 2cend bad thing to apply LM to.
I watches by my MacBook Pro self that the Copper will get a verry ruff layer that is hard to get away.
And Nickel platet are one the slowest reaction with it and so it is the best. But in every layer like Copper Nicel or the die iteself will get slowly penetratet by this kind of cooling solution.
And now play to watch the rest.
In theory you should be able to fit a 140mm fan with 120mm mounting on that heatsink. I'd love to see it confirmed! (Cryorig has a slim 13mm 140mm fan with such mounting.)
U were supposed to use a SWISS ARMY KNIFE that probably has a screw driver😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ayy LMAO
Hopefully!
yes and screw with confidence.
Take the brick and hammer in the brace before you open the clasp in the bracket so that it doesn't shortcircuit the board and you.
verge of destroying your pc.
Considering the hassle of applying liquid metal properly, the gains are negligible. Delidding + LM makes more sense.
Also the risk of accidentally destroying your mobo
You obviously shouldn't even consider this unless you've already done delidding + LM. This would be to reduce the temp by a couple of degrees in addition to the 20 or w/e drop you already got from delidding. And I still don't think it's worth it, at all. Just stick with good paste between the IHS and cooler, and use LM between the die and IHS.
@@ikmalizzatjohari6475 you don't risk the mobo whatsoever lol you're meant to take the cpu out to delid so it's not affected, the way this guy applied liquid metal on the top of processor was more dangerous
i used IC graphite, drastically easier than youd think, and though its also electrically conductive, it fits perfectly over the die so it wont short anything, and gives the same benefits as LM
@@bradhaines3142 i have this aswell its also reusable and last long?!?!?!?
so stupid everyone knows you have to put it on the motherboard pins.
shmoaeel alksraney you’re supposed to put the liquid metal on the motherboard pins/contacts to improve conductivity and allow the cpu to slot in easily
@@chikennuget3634 yeah also the temperature is going to get 40 degrees c lower because the motherboard starts absorbing the heat then am i right?
@@mariocelic5622 yeah computer run on full load for 3 hours at 34c degrees.
Btw don't take us seriously if anyone reading this and thinking to do it XD.
Putting LM directly on the pins is the best way to make sure your temps never gets higher than room temperature... If, that’s what your aiming for...
before even starting to watch this, THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO I'VE BEEN WONDERING ABOUT THE SAME
GoodGuyGaurav linus did this like 600 years ago
Don't shout.
@@olivierl2172 I DO WHAT I WANT.
@@MrKZdemos ah well, must've missed it
@@GoodGuyGaurav AH WELL, MUST'VE MISSED IT
Production just getting tighter and tighter. Thanks for not making this into a LotR 30 minute epic, and for avoiding clickbait titles
I absolutely love the editing and I really appreciate the cuts and cinematography made in all your videos.
Thank you for everything you do!
Nice work looking forward to seeing this channel blow up, the production quality is awesome, great B roll :)
Your CPU will blow up if you are not careful. That **** is electrically conductive.
Having recently delidded and liquid metalled an old 4th Gen CPU for practice I have to say you are brave using it between the ihs and cooler. That stuff is a pain to clean up!
I watched man vids I use nail polish from overclocker UK to cover the smds then I coat the die generously then re attach IHS putting in socket then lock it in place for about 10-20 sec take cpu out take the IHS off add LM to match die on IHS Has helped alot on 9900KS CPUs.
Minor performance increase with huge increase in risk of screwing up something (spilling, making undesirable contact... etc) stick to thermal paste folks.
Haha my shitbox Core 2 Extreme doesnt even go above 45°C idle and its around 50-60°C while playing for hours and I'm using a no name white silicone thermal paste...
@@iHD01 Normal gaming with factory clocks you dont even need any paste. But when you start to oc things your cpu gets hot as fuck so u need all cooling what you can get.
I just watched a video with Linus showing a 20 degree difference with liquid metal ftw
@@xeiiio It isn't the same on laptop, those chips on laptop basically are delidded hence throwing LM on it makes sense. My Y700 runs 25°c cooler when using LM on processor and GPU.
That's why i chose noctua nh1 xD
Great vid dude. Been wondering about this topic myself. Thanks for the info on how it works.
Ive always wondered for the longest time if liquid metal was better as a thermal paste between your cooler and cpu. Thank you again for your rocking videos!
This video has the better cam takes and video editing of the chanel so far. Amazing
If I've got a build coming up, might as well use it
Don't think id hassle reapplying conductonaut if my temps were alright already.
Great content as always!
Thanks for making this video, i'm looking to build a new PC in the near future and this convinced me that a good thermal paste (since I don't/won't de-lid the CPU) is really the safer way to go as there's not really much to be gained from using LM on say a 3600X (maybe XT) or a 3700X between the cooler and the processor.
It does make me wonder why chip manufacturers don't invest in better stock thermal compounds for their CPU dies from the factory. at the bulk quantity they'd use, i'm sure they'd get a really good discount for the quantity they'd need and more importantly it would probably allow them to get better numbers for base/boost clock or voltage, which is always good.
Thank you. This was a very crucial video for my choice of liquid metal or thermal paste
Who is here after PS5 teardown ?
ME hahaha
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Wondering the same. Thanks a lot for the video! Keep it up!
Damn, didn't know small form factor could be so cool!
Once my tiny build is perfectly done, I don't want to put it apart anymore. Props to you for finding it in you to rebuild it so many times.
I think you'd see a bigger difference if you used liquid metal under the ihs as well as above being that they use thermal paste on both sides from factory, hence why stock it runs in the 70's instead of lower. I'd love to see this comparison with a high end ryzen or threadripper with a soldered ihs and larger heat output like you said.
OMG THIS ITX BUILD IS AMAZING!!!
Your Videos are like Tech-Porn, really clean, awesome camera angels and shots and on top of this nice music! Love it!
WTF
Ok I get the awesome camera angles comparison, but clean? What are you watching, amish porn where they do it through a sheet? I guess there's a niche for everyone.
Love the production of this video
I've actually been curious regarding the longevity of liquid metal. Even when you apply the head room of overclocking, what can we expect on the replacement time frame for liquid metal?
I’m more of a showman case wise but I see the beauty in a small form factor for those that want it.
I subbed btw because I like your style - keep up the good work and well done
3:49 - shouldn't you have cleaned the top of the ihs first. it looks like it is still covered in regular thermal paste?!?! i use the arctic cleaning kit, but 99% ISO would have helped.
I have been looking for anyone else who noticed that. No wonder it made such a small difference.
It was clean. What you see is what was already on the nozzle of the tube of conductonaut (applied before filming), hence why it looks like LM and not paste on the IHS.
99% ia and coffee filter as the abrasive works awesomely and leaves 0 lint or dust
Nice test. I've been curious to see how much cooler liquid metal would be between the IHS and cooler
I had done Liquid Metal application (the same Thermal Grizzley used in this video) on my Macbook Pro with copper heatsink and after 1.5 years of usage it hardened. It gave me amazing thermal while it worked, but I just can't recommend this to anyone after the experience. I couldn't scrape it off, so I tried to level it as much as I can and applied thermal paste over it and now it still works again, but it was quite a trouble.
The thing you couldn't scrape off is actually an alloy formed between liquid metal and copper by the way and it's not going to affect the thermal cooling so don't worry about it
Bumped into this channel randomly. Def subscribing.
Nice shots, dude. Awesome Content! 👍
On your road to 100k subscribers. You are a good example of someone focusing on a niche and talking about topics in detail that other channels don't. Gratz!
Well epxlained and helped me to apply liquid metal compound on my cpu and gpu
Amazing spread of thermal paste previously. Even distribution, no over spill, no high or low spots. Very even application. Goals
I've used thermal grizzly liquid metal for deliding for years and have switched back to using kryonaut now as it isn't worth the trouble. One and done And it never had to be replaced. It seems to me that after a year or so the liquid metal starts to move or disappear. Especially when the cpu is vertially oriented like my delided 8086k with a larger copper ihs. Kryonaut under and above the ihs works great. Luckily nearly every good cpu nowadays is soldered again and that really is a good solution.
I delidded my 8700k years ago and applied conductonaut. Haven't had to change it once in like ~5 years. Temps are nearly the same as when I first did it.
Could you please review the Dark Rock TF Cooler inside of an n-nase m1? I can reassure you it fits, i just want to see how it stacks up against other coolers that you have already shown on your channel
the cooler looks really nice! how thick is that 120mm fan? could you do a comparisson with a noctua low profile fan?
Hello, nice videos, I just found out ur channel and it's awesome. Also nice quality! I've been struggling back and forth whether I should delid my 7700k. Since I got it I had to underclock it to not go over 85c in full load... And I really am sick of this thing! I don't know where I could buy liquid metal in my area tho... I do have noctua nt h1 paste, is that going to improve nice enough?
last week i upgrade my processor, from an i5 6600k to an i7 7700k that i bought from second hand, the cooler was/is a Cooler master Geminii M5 ( 50mm in height without fan and 60mm with fan). The i5 6600k was already delidded two years ago with thermal Grizzly metallic compound installed inside the cpu, temperature dropped then from 85ºC to 65ºC, this time from an stock i7 7700k to a delidded 7700k with metallic compound and rockitcool 115% size copper ihs temperature drops from 100ºC with 33% thermal throttling to 81ºC without any thermal throttling. Note that Cooler Master´s Geminii M5 has visible aluminium beetween heatpipes so i only can apply the metal compound between silicium core die and its ihs, not between ihs and the heatsink. Again 20 degrees drop. I have done this many times before, if you can apply metallic compound on both sides of the ihs sometimes the temperatures can reach a brutal drop up to -40ºC (i7 4790k from 95ºC to 55ºC). Proved. Liquid metal results are much better when is applied directly under the heatspreader than over it. It is more complicated, but worths the time and money, specially on tiny cases.
Nice essay kid
My 4770k goes from 85 down to 55
One of the best Tech channels on RUclips. Concise wording, calm talking, scientific testing, clean filming. It's really great.
scientific testing.... yes.... gallium wont erode or damage the copper in any way....
Love your work!
very cool experiment, thanks for sharing your results
I gotta say I heard my grandmother in your video. At 2:02 when you pulled the fan out by the wires and not the base, shed always yell at me for doing it to our vacuum plugs that way too. Never took it to heart till I unplug a fan on the fan control board by wires and it all slid right apart lol
I've used liquid metal between the heat sink and/or CPU or GPU in several laptops. I noticed a significant difference in temperatures under load over the stock thermal paste. For a couple laptops the difference was 10-11 degrees C. Before applying the liquid metal, I coated the areas around the CPU or GPU with a thin layer of clear nail polish that didn't have anything in it harmful to plastics.
Blue painters tape and conformal coating are your friends. The nail polish can flake after enough heat cycling and board flex laptops endure.
it's good at the start but liquid metal react with copper an aluminium
I saw a JayzTwoCents video where he lapped the Intel IHS and used normal paste on it and that had a pretty decent effect on thermals. The reason is because Intel's IHS's are slightly dome shaped instead of completely flat like AMD's. By lapping it, it had better contact with the cooler's plate. Maybe try that and see what results you get with the LM.
Looking forward to see the similar liquid metal test with Ryzen series
When you did these tests did you try undervolting ?
Please make another video with 9th gen chips! I'm curious to see if liquid metal on a soldered chip makes a bigger difference. Maybe the TIM underneath on 7th and 8th gen chips limits the gains from using liquid metal on the outside of the IHS.
Hi,
which case is shown at 0:37 ? Looks amazing.
Nice videos :) Quick question : what is the brand of the screwdriver you use here, the one with the magnetic bits? It seems quite useful!
It's the iFixit kit
OK thanks!
The way even this man tearing off the case is aesthetically pleasing ...
0:57 thermal paste vs liquid metal
3:49 applying a pinhead
Where did u get that computer case? Its so awesome
when did u buy your conductonaut i'm pretty sure since 3-4 mouths this liquid metal has a lot of performance problem from the production
show differences on ihs using liquid metal after time like with gpu
Are you ever gonna do a custom loop in your ncase m1?
Short Answer : Absolutely worth it !!
I applied it on my laptop and now the thermals don't cross 75° C.. previously it used to touch 98° C with the usual thermal paste during gaming/heavy tasks. It's been months and performance/thermals are holding up really good so far.
When a thermal paste take much heat like 100c the paste need reaply? Her lose efficience?
Thanks all for the comments, it’s great added perspective!!
thank you for doing this as I have my 8700k delidded and was wondering if there was any measurable benefit for using liquid metal on the cooler as well.
be careful, this guy doesnt do his reaserch. the gallium in the liquid metal corrodes copper which is why roman (der8auer) recently tried to nickel plate a copper cooler in order to use liquid metal on a notebook cooler link: ruclips.net/video/EKR5sCPhF9c/видео.html
Could you review the nzxt h200i I think it’s an interesting case for mini itx builds and I believe the “smart” hub actually has a use in this case compared to the other atx ones because it can be used as a fan hub as some mini itx motherboards don’t have many fan headers
I have this case.. its awesone for small case.. the airflow for this case is superb myte.. how ever.. you are planing to buy rtx card.. i dont know if can fit those cards on the case.. i have asus strix 1080.. planing to buy rtx 2080 ti in the future.. but its seem there will be a problem on the thickness height of those rtx card.. just keep in mind
I've done some research on those "big" ITX cases. I do really like the aesthetics and build quality of the case. But the GPU clearence between PSU schroud and coolers kills it for me.
Thats why i am planning on buying the fractal design nano S. in combination with an SFX PSU makes the GPU clearence a lot better.
If only i could remove the PSU shroud of the H200, then it'd be an instant buy.
BTW, that fanhub is shiit. just buy a regular fan hub. watch somereviews of that case on Gamers Nexus (they reviewed the H700?)
@@gotchie1591 H200/i most certainly can fit 2 slot RTX cards. There arent many though.
Why would he waste his time reviewing a top tier case everyone knows is good.
You make great vid keep up the great work!
Thank u dear sir... I didn't get bored at all while watching ur video... Supercool.. thanks a lot sir... Love u...
IMO you should clean the IHS 100%, and also apply nail polish, or you can find all kind of other insulating materials online. Just use SOMETHING to protect metal contacts around the CPU, etc.
Considering the risk of shorting, the gains minimal, dont bother
It's quite hard to short something unless you spill it over the edges. I've used liquid metal on many graphics cards and CPUs with no problem.
It's worth it if your not clumsh
It would have been great if u could do low profile productivity itx case for programming, deep learning so on without rgb crap etc. Love your vids btw keep up the good work.
I wonder if the performance difference would be a lot more different if the test was done with a tower push pull cooler instead of a low profile one.
How did you spread the liquid metal on top of the CPU? Mine keeps attaching on the buds or i tried others and it keeps sticking and not spreading
Delicious production. Does anyone know the song name in the video?
Can you tell how long have you been using kraken with no problem like pump failure?
I find those tiny pcs very attractive and satisfying! Nice
Dealing with liquid metal for a while now, I can tell you that a micro drop of this stuff (that you can't even see) will ruin your motherboard, or damage some memory slots, because it is liquid, and liquid goes through cracks, even if it looks kind of in a bubble at first. I ruined my motherboard as it drifted into the socket. Direct contact with a cpu/gpu die and liquid metal brings results of about 10-15 Celsius, all the way up to 20 if you are lucky. If you apply cpu ihs to the heatsink you are going to get 5-8 Celsius difference, with a high risk of ruining your CPU and motherboard, potentially taking your GPU and memory with that sinking ship.
In short...FUCK...that....shit. Okay? Thank you, and good night, everybody :)
So if you've delt with lm for a while then you likely wouldn't fuckitupitos like you did. There is only 2 possiblities - applying incorrect amount and on just one surface and lack of very reliable hand eye coordination. Takes expertise indeed
is it worth bothering with on the Blackridge I have an 8700 i de lidded In was going to do it with the cooler as well?
I wonder what about silverstone rvz02 as well
One question it's a good idea to use liquid metal for a Ryzen 2700 with an arctic freezer34 eSports duo? I'm worried about the possibilible corrosion that may appear
I think it would on Threadripper, because the heat spreader on that is soldiered on. But, it might be the same as your delid 8700k. Will be checking that out for sure.
PLEASE grab a Circle Pro and do some playing around with it!
Saved me some time for 3° I'll stick with paste maybe later down the road I'll play with it for now my idle temps are 30°c
I want to ask you i have an x1 carbon 7gen it doesn't get that hot when I use it with and egpu it gets like 58 to 65 wen playing games. But i want to improve more the cooling do you think if i put thermal paste it will help?
You should test this for laptops, even though I don't think I've ever seen a laptop on your channel. This stuff is magic for anything that thermal throttles. I added it to my laptop CPU and GPU, 20 degrees Celsius drop on both, which was amazing considering I was running at 99 on CPU and 80 on GPU before. They don't go over 80/60 now at all.
it entirely depends on the laptop sadly. some just have a weak system entirely and cant do the job no matter what you put on it.
i did it for mine, results were disapointing
Are you going to check out IC's Graphite Thermal Pad and Thermal Grizzly's upcoming Carbonaut? They're both are marketed as an alternative to thermal paste by how easy they are to apply (or drop) on to the processor. Would love to see you compare and review them!
On the GN video with Der8aur? Der8our? Der8y. They pretty much say the carbonaut is not as good as the Kryonaut paste but more of a near infinite lifespan instead of something that would be changed out every year or so like pastes. A trade off between effectiveness vs convenience.
Paste is still more effective than the pads. I'd used the pad in a system for my parents so I'd never have to worry about paste drying.
@@zoomzabba452 i use it on my laptop so i dont worry about it gooping around. glad i switched it out since the paste on the gpu already slopped a circle around the square when i went to replace it
Did you get a chance to test this with a high tdp CPU. I'm interested in FX the 5950, since this is the one I have.
so you can uasre if the heatsink is copper? or even after even 1 year it can create problems to the cpu or to the heatsink itself due to corrosion? (I have a noctua d15 and a 5800x)
If you want to see him review NFC s4m hit the like!!!
@obs1dian thanks
Can you revisit that later? I mean, the system that you just assembled, take it apart in a few days...
I personally like welding the IHS to the heat sync
Great Video,... How would you get the CPU Cooler off the CPU after using Liquid Metal? Must be hard after the Liquid Metal hardens.
Liquid metal doesn't harden. I checked an 8-month-old liquid metal cooling system and the material is definitely still liquid.
What tissues are you using to cleanup the thermal paste of CPU? Anything specific or just regular wet (non-alcoholic) tissues..?
What's the name of that song playing in the background?
One tip for all when spreading liquid metal. First put a small drop on, then spread it as if you're wiping it off with a lint-free tissue (paper towel works too). Then add it on and spread like normal - it becomes very easy.
What..?
can you use this on NH-U9S? That looks like it has a silver coldplate
Those temps are too high for my liking, but you have such an elegant small build
i have the i9 9900k and use it mostly for gaming, without the LM had 75-ish degrees after LM 45-50 degrees and idle 38 degrees (fans not on max speed, with full speed hit even a low as 24 degrees idle with overclock)
That b-roll was so simple yet so clean.....sexy....
I like how you pronounce copper. I love to hear it. 4:20 You got my sub.
That's just the 'strayan way, mate.
how is applying it to the cpu cooler its self going to be any deference then applying it to the cpu
Imagine they made a cpu that had a built in heatsink so there is no gap between the lid and heatsink, which would negate the need for thermal paste... Then just add in whatever fan you want to use on the heatsink. Would this work out?
One huge benefit to use metal you don't need to reapply it yearly for optimal temperature.
Where did you get your screwdriver set
Will you try the graphite thermal pad next?
Everyone knows graphite thermal pads are worse than even thermal paste and generally used as a longetivity perspective so that it does not have to be replaced in a year or two. There is no point of using it in sff builds as sff builders usually know what they are doing and are likely to replace the thermal paste every when required for that performance and noise benefit
@@BITVedanshAgarwal graphite pads dont need to be replaced at all. they never degrade. but der 8auer will release crabonaut pads which will be similar but have better temps.
@@BITVedanshAgarwal no its not. i used thermal pads myself and theyre great. theres a measure for thermal conductivity that all pastes (and LM and pads) are rated at and the pads i used (IC graphite) were as good as some LM, but easier to apply than any paste and less hazardous
They are made for low maintenance workstations that don’t have overclocked cpus for longevity.
@@BITVedanshAgarwal They've been proven to be almost as good as liquid metal.