"Have you ever talked to a pedophile?" "I didn't kill him because he was crazy. I killed him because he was making sense." The character work in this show is really second to none.
Some of the POVs (Chrissie, Bobbie) are setup for the next book adaptation, but in this episode I think it fits exceptionally well. Chrissie's plea to Tycho, Bobbie and Holden wrangling their teams. Hang on tight, the next couple EPS are insane!
@@WarpReactor Amos is a psychopath, but high functioning & self-aware that he is not "normal". that is why he differs to people surrounding him as a moral barometer. If you read the Novella "The Churn" [James S.A. Corey] that's his backstory.
The episode where everyone starts to fall in love with Drummer. Gawd she’s fucking awesome, tied with Amos as my favourite character of the entire show 🤘
"Have you ever talked to a pedophile?" Amos throws out a startlingly brutal line as though it's common life...which only shows what has been common in _his_ life. But he identifies Holden as "righteous." He recognizes a Paladin. I just noticed Diogo has a very "Lara Croft: Tomb Raider"--ish poster on his mirror. Transcranial magnetic hyper-stimulation is a real thing. It's been practiced for a hundred years...but I don't think it's as specific as shown in the series. Amos was hoping lack of empathy was a condition that was curable. We know that Amos was raised as a child in brothels, now we've learned that The lieutenant seemed to give Bobbie latitude, but I learned working with Marines that it's a stupid lieutenant who doesn't listen carefully to his gunnery sergeant and keep the gunny on his side. They showed us that Julie seemed to have a near-death vision of Miller (in his hat) along with the bird. Something there seems metaphysical. I think we know enough about Miller's investment. Julie is not Miller's flame, Julie was Miller's spark. We need to think more about Dawes: "Underneath that ridiculous hat there is a Belter yearning to be free." That was Dawes talking, but it was also the writers talking. I agree with you that Alex is overwrought about the situation. I think that is really a reaction to inner negativity of having abandoned his family. Naomi is dealing with a real conundrum with Holden. She's a Belter. We see that whenever she's with Belters, she falls right into step with them. She loves Belters, she identifies with Belters, and to her Eros wasn't just a tragedy, it was a holocaust. The fact that Holden refuses to sympathize with his lover's own beloved people is a problem.
I love Expanse day! "Best liar on the boat". Lol Such a great reaction. Made me chuckle. Amos was so interested in Cortazar because he had the same thing: lack of empathy. But it wasn't from a procedure, it was from his messed up childhood. A self-defense mechanism. I believe it's something he struggles with, and why he chooses to be with GOOD people. 2 more episodes for Book 1 finale! Can't wait!
My word! Thank you so much, my friend! Your support and positive energy is so very appreciated! I love when Amos's lack of attachment/empathy manifest in realistic ways. Like when he just gets up and walks away from Miller at the bar without saying a word :D Again thank you, my friend!
@@WarpReactor just because another character describes her as "the best liar ON THE CREW" doesn't mean she's just a liar, and you have to take everything she says with a grain of salt - only that she has a greater capability to lie than than the other four (two of which are unusually honest people, and one that seems like a terrible liar who crumbles immediately upon interrogation). You haven't been shown Naomi being actively or passively deceptive much at all; she's been keeping her past quiet, but does come clean at least a little bit about it, and that doesn't seem like enough to have "deceiver" as a primary character trait. You have to weigh your paranoia against Occam's Razor sometimes when it comes to characterization.
@@Melancthon7332 It's a bit weird he's so convinced based on nothing that all the major female characters we've met so far must be devious liars. ...somebody's got issues...
Amos’ character is so well portrayed here. And you’ll only learn more about him by picking up little throw away lines throughout the show. So well done. Amos is best. ❤
Love that in the pre-reaction announcement he’s already got the patch jacket! Miller shooting Dresden: Dresden killed ~⅓ of the Belter population by taking out Eros, so think of a not-especially religious Jewish person running into, say, Himmler… also, really reminds me of the U.S. funneling Nazi scientists into U.S. R&D programs (like NASA) after WWII. Sure, they tortured and killed a bunch of people but the government just couldn’t bring themselves to “waste” all that potential innovation and Miller saw this type of situation playing out and nipped it in the bud.
Not to mention that, with the genocide hanging over his head, if a Belter could find him even the slightest bit convincing, Inners would have even less reason to question the reasoning. Take him out while you still think the scientific research isn't worth killing even more of your people.
_"Dresden killed ~⅓ of the Belter population"_ The Belt has a population of 50 - 100 millions (depending on UN or OPA census) Eros inhabits 100k Belters, so that's 0.2 - 0.4 %.
"The tension is at an all time high here." That line made me laugh out loud. I know it's trite, but I can't help myself. Most shows have a tension scale that goes to 10. The Expanse turns that into an exponential scale. Hoping for a double header next week!
You're right in concluding that Miller is not a knight out to do good. But don't skip what happened in Diogo's apartment. Miller self-declared as a "Belter" and outwardly represented that by shaving his head. This is a kind of salvation (see the Mormon's offer) for Miller. He is now _Beltalowda._
'The universe lives, it breathes, and if you let it it will swallow your soul'.. Keep your words on your mind throughout the seasons. They will mean more than you know by the end of the run.
Under appreciated in this show, perhaps because most reactors lack religious instruction, is that the statue on the bow of the L.D.S.S. Nauvoo is the Angel Moroni. Importantly, Moroni is the one who (allegedly) told *Joseph* Smith that God had a work for for him (Smith) to do. Perhaps you missed it, but *Miller's first name is Josephus.*
"No don't end this" Yup. Several more seasons of exactly this sentiment LOL. After I finished the show I decided to read all the books, definitely something you should do when you're done. It's just so good!
I guess what Julie did for Miller is remind him and help him find his identity as a Belter who feels loayalty to his people. Remember he was the asshole cop who was born Belter but dressed like an Earther, working for an Earther corp that turned out to be corrupt, other Belters accusing him of being a traitor to his people? Julie was kinda the opposite. A privileged Earther who sympathized with Belters so much that she became one of them, even going as far as going against her family and dying for her believes. She was someone with a deep passion that jaded Miller had totally lost.
Also, I think the thing she gave him was purpose. When we first meet Miller, he's just going through the motions of life but nothing really affects him. Then he gets this kidnap job dropped on him, but the subject of the job starts intriguing him.Then the mystery that unfolds intrigues him. And before he knows it, his life has purpose again - this mystery and this woman are the most alive he has felt in years. Then, when pursuing them, the rest of his life - his job - gets taken away. At that point, finding Julie and solving the mystery are the only things left in his life that matter to him at all. Without his job, he doesn't really have a future and he didn't like his life that much anyway. So this thing that he's pursuing is the only thing that matters to him anymore. And when he finds Julie dead, well, his mission just changes from rescue to revenge.
There are clues as to Miller's motivation. Revisit the scene where Julie sees Miller - hat, bird & necklace. It is the image of him looking for her. She was infected and desperately wishing for someone to come find her - someone from Ceres. Dawes wasn't looking for her but Miller was, and that's who she saw. She didn't see him as he was on Eros but as he was on Ceres. Recall the scenes of Miller watching the bird, or was it the bird watching Miller? Miller told Semi that he believes in her, "That's all I got." Miller doesn't even know why he's so driven. Now Miller is seeing Julie and we're given information about the protomolecule that shows it can send out some type of signal - possibly made from the people it consumed - that can be picked up at Tycho station. Put all that together and shake it around a bit and ask again what is driving Miller.
Every time a reactor says “Don’t you dare end this episode!!”….😂 🤣 👍🏻👍🏻 Amos: I’ve never believed Amos doesn’t have empathy- he just doesn’t let it figure into his decision making equation… (Doing my best to not be spoilery here) The more we find out about him & his past - the more we understand that while, as Miller says “you seem like a trigger happy wack job” - in reality, he is very smart, very strong both mentally and physically, & absolutely the guy you want on your team- He’s not someone who makes decisions lightly- just quickly… On to the next one! - Buckle up buckaroos! 🚀
One of the many many many great things Ty and Daniel do so very well in their writing is make you see both sides of a debate/argument. I just finished my 3rd reading, I addition to listening to the audiobook twice. I've watched the series a half dozen times, in addition to watching multiple RUclips reactors, and I'm still in awe of their talent.
@WarpReactor Amos was so incredibly casted with Wes Chatham. Apparently he had read all the books (up to that point, at least) and Amos was his favorite character, and he wanted to play him the most. I guess his audition was so perfect they just had to take him!
Yep, the fact that Naomi lied to a Martian interrogator doesn't necessarily mean that she lies to everyone everywhere all the time. But maybe she does. We'll see.
That Belter fixing the Rocci, is Camina Drummer. Keep an eye on her. She is one of the coolest characters in the show. When she speaks, everyone should listen.
She's credited as "Col Johnson's second in command." She's not named until episode 8. I suspect the screenwriters (which included the original authors) hadn't yet decided which of three possible names they'd give her, compared to the books.
@@Markus117d Not many people realize that Drummer isn't named yet at this point, and unless someone has read the books (or even if they have), revealing her name doesn't spoil anything.
Amos recognizes something similar to himself. Amos is not really a sociopath, but he’s close. His life has left him emotionally numb and he recognizes that in others. The scientist was turned into a psychopath by eliminating his ability to feel empathy.
@@Justanotherconsumer Yes, and it is why he turns out to be the most complex character on the show, even if it is in a very subtle way. I just don’t want to spoil anything. WR gets so excited and shocked and I don’t want to ruin any of that.
Okay, some thoughts. Firstly Errin-Wright is a patriot. He would always put 'Earth first' and would be horrified at anything and everything that threatened Earth. However, patriotism is the virtue of the vicious. So, he is willing to do evil that good might come from it. Amos, is a product of his experiences. So he has not necessarily been 'modified' but he has been changed by the things that have been done to him. He would be interested in how such a procedure would be done and undone because it might be of use to him. As Naomi said, He's always just needed help with the world. Julie's continued existence or lack there-of. Is Miller seeing her because he is manifesting her or is he seeing her because she is there to be seen?
Great reaction! I so appreciate how you delve into the show. I will say that your bringing up Lopez's comment about Naomi several times has made me rethink some things. All I will say is that not all lies come from a place of ill intent. Sometimes lies come from a place of self-preservation.
I think Fred already played the blackbox data info from Lopez. It was his proof that the ships that attacked the Donnager were built at Earth Shipyards and not by him at Tycho. He sent Avasarala something new.
Great reaction and analysis! Very good catch on multiple things in this episode! Amos did say that he understood why Cortazar beat the hell outof the guy in the cell with that bench, it was the fastest way to a solution so he good get back to what he was doing. The next two episodes are very special for this series! Looking forward to it!
There's a reason why Amos ended his conversation with Miller when he did. Rewatch that scene and pay close attention not to what they're saying, but to what Amos and Miller are doing.
Thanks for the amazing reaction! @WarpReactor Regarding the Fred johnson Avaserala exchange: He sent her the coordinates to the wreck of the stealth ship from last episode (season 2 ep 2) the one that got shredded to swiss cheese by the roci in close quarters. Its not the Data from Lopez. I don't think he ever told holden he has that (on screen anymway). He already used that information in his speech condemming earth where he proved that the stealth ships are earth manufactured based on their engine signatures and all that info he has from lopez. If i remember correctly that was basically dismissed by the UN as Fake (then chrisjen found blueprints for them in that martian ambassedors office on those pencil datasticks but has no way to come clean with it since its not saying WHO they are for. the Protogen link is missing to her till now. Without that evidence it would point at earth which well... thats her faction. makes no sense to shoot onself in the foot intil you can find the culprit to pin it to). Also i think the Lopez data was used to make the Combat sim Alex trained in. reference was all the combat capabilities observed by the ships during the donnager battle. The position of weapon hardpoints, speed, Acceleration, RCS thruster placements, Projectile speeds of PDC and railgun, Charge time for that,.... all the information was right there to make an "accurate enemy model" Instead this time he has a mich bigger playing chip he handed over to Avaserala: A Semi-intact in the flesh Stealth ship. Data can be faked. Try faking a perviously functioning Stealth ship matching all previously released data (like that it came from earth's Bush Naval Shipyards) including authentic battle damage and dead crew that has Records tracing back to Protogen (just like Cortizar's employment history)... So yeah. He gave Chrisjen a Hammer and Protogen is the nail...
@@MattNolanCustom I know and I know. I don't remember too much but it was kinda badly explained in the show I feel or other points I made were all kinda in the background never really mentioned. And everything I said is technically not a spoiler. Everything I said already happened.
@@MattNolanCustom I'm with you for taking care about people spoiling, but I can't find any spoiler in this comment. Everything they tell already happened and was fully revealed, unless I missed something.
@@madux42true, but some of it was slightly vague or ambiguous, and will become less so with further upcoming exposition. I always feel it is better to leave well alone. If it is obvious then why comment, if it isn't then it's part of the viewing experience that you could be short-changing
The Nauvoo is (basically) an O'Neill cylinder habitat with huge engines attached. We can't make fusion engines with our current technology, but we've had the knowledge to make the habitat since the 1970s. We just haven't had the motivation to spend the money to do it. What Julie represents to Miller is "redemption." Everything everybody said about him is *true* and at some level, he knew it. So, he created an "innocent damsel-in-distress" version of Julie on his head; fixated on it; and then set out to "rescue" her -- only to find out she *really did* need rescuing, and that he was just too late.
I think you're obsessing a bit about that one line from Lopez. Just because someone is a good liar doesn't mean they're always lying to everyone all the time. I think you can see why a Belter might be likely to lie in a Martian interrogation, while the others wouldn't (or like Amos, just remain silent).
15:20 I think the Lt is reading between the lines and has decided that what happened has already sorted itself out. Travis being born on Earth means he's always going to get some amount of shit, but without the added tension of the strike on Deimos, there wouldn't be any real heat behind the words. Making a bigger deal out of it at this point would mean making things official, and there would be paperwork, and stuff going on people's records, and in his judgement, it's not worth the hassle. So Bobbie - being the SNCO - gets a fairly mild MWOC, and because shit rolls downhill, everyone else will get the message.
38:21 The lopez intel was what sparked all of this, rememeber, Johnson did a public statement accusing earth to be behind the ships (produced by Bush Naval Yards, that's on Luna) the info he sent Avasarala this episode you will see next episode, was the known location of one of these ships (I say this as you have admitted being ahead a couple of episodes)
This is one those perfect episodes! Everything just fits together like clockwork. Also, goosebumps! Oh, soooo many goosebumps! We've got more information now, but is it enough?
The treatment that Cortazar, and probably Fresden, underwent, the Transcranial Magnetic Hyper-Stimulation, is actually being offered currently as a treatment for severe depression and anxiety. They don't use the "Hyper" in the title. It's simply called Transcranial Magnetic Stimulatuon. Ho you are getting hung up on Lopez's observation of Naomi being the "best liar" of the group. Don't forget, a HUGE part of his job was to sow division between his captives. He was planting seeds of distrust... apparently it worked pretty well. 😉 Mars is a military state. There's Niwot much debate on what the public thinks or what is diplomatic, and orders are immediately obeyed. It may as well be a dictatorship.
I won't spoil what connects them, but if you enjoy The Expanse and the new Fallout show, you should watch Arcane. It's just 9 episodes and easily one of the highest quality shows I've ever scene, and I'm an Expanse fan lol. Not sure if it technically counts as sci-fi, but I think it's close enough to belong on this channel.
You mentioned towards the end how Mars's government seems a lot more streamlined than Earth's, and that's something that struck me early on as well. I'm not going to call Mars fascist, because that would be reductive, but, from a historical parallels point of view, the first thing the Nazis did when they took power in Germany in '33 was to start their program of "Gleichschaltung," which doesn't have a good translation into English, but basically meant "an alignment of goals." Their idea was to give the populace a singular goal, and streamline all aspects of society (government, media, arts, entertainment, ...) towards that goal. In Mars's case, that goal is Terraforming (with a capital T), or turning Mars from a dead rock into a garden. My point here is that if something happens that changes the way towards their goal, Martian society as a whole is going to turn on a dime and change direction, no questions asked. In the show's past, when the Terraforming project was threatened by a blockade by Earth, Mars turned from a society of builders into a society of war. They're still in that mode at this point in the show. But what would Mars turn into if there was another paradigm change? What would even happen to Mars if they somehow lost their original goal? Those are scary thoughts.
In Emperor Palpatine voice : "The paranoia remains strong with this one, " I would love to see your reactions to Shogun to see it put to full use! ;) Fun reactions as always.
Miller’s like… pick a ship, any ship? Miller definitely picked an awkward choice, but it was an epic choice. I guess he wasn’t technically on the ship, but he decided that it should go.
7:33 - Naomi was just as short-sighted and irrational as Miller here. Dresden was an unarmed mass murderer who was about to spill the beans on who had been funding his research, who else was involved, what they had discovered, etc. Rather than simply playing along and killing him *after* they had exposed the others, Miller ensured that Dresden took that knowledge to the grave with him - a decision which has far-reaching in-universe consequences. It was a colossally stupid thing to do. - I still love Miller though!
Not really. Dresden said he was only willing to cooperate if he was allowed to continue his research "unrestricted." He was directly saying he wouldn't give them anything unless he could continue committing genocide. He could simply just give them a trickle of information as they allowed him to continue his "experiments" in order to assure his safety. Both Naomi and Miller were correct that he'd never be held accountable if he was allowed to cut a deal. Just study history a bit and you'll find plenty of examples of people trying to justify pure evil with an "it's for the greater good" argument. As long as people don't see themselves as being part of the group that will be sacrificed for that "greater good" they are susceptible to that line of thinking. It's actually creepy how easily so many viewers are convinced by it. Miller and Naomi are 100% correct on this one, and it's basically the only time in the entire series that I fully agree with Naomi. Miller even says it. "I didn't kill him because he was crazy, I killed him because he was making sense." He knew that people are susceptible to being swayed by that argument if they aren't part of the group that's going to be murdered.
Don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet but Avasarala is basically not present in the first book. So much of her inclusion in the first season is original to the show or drags up in the timeline some book 2 plotlines
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"Have you ever talked to a pedophile?"
"I didn't kill him because he was crazy. I killed him because he was making sense."
The character work in this show is really second to none.
1000% agree.
The level of realism brought to each character by both the actor and the writing is S-Tier.
Thank you for watching, my friend!
@@WarpReactor Yeah... and it never stops building. You're gonna be surprised how deep this rabbit hole goes and it twists.
Interestingly Eros had a population of just under 2m in the books.
Some of the POVs (Chrissie, Bobbie) are setup for the next book adaptation, but in this episode I think it fits exceptionally well. Chrissie's plea to Tycho, Bobbie and Holden wrangling their teams. Hang on tight, the next couple EPS are insane!
@@WarpReactor Amos is a psychopath, but high functioning & self-aware that he is not "normal". that is why he differs to people surrounding him as a moral barometer. If you read the Novella "The Churn" [James S.A. Corey] that's his backstory.
FRIENDS! Get those likes in so we can convince him to double up on Expanse next week 😁
The episode where everyone starts to fall in love with Drummer. Gawd she’s fucking awesome, tied with Amos as my favourite character of the entire show 🤘
"Have you ever talked to a pedophile?" Amos throws out a startlingly brutal line as though it's common life...which only shows what has been common in _his_ life. But he identifies Holden as "righteous." He recognizes a Paladin.
I just noticed Diogo has a very "Lara Croft: Tomb Raider"--ish poster on his mirror.
Transcranial magnetic hyper-stimulation is a real thing. It's been practiced for a hundred years...but I don't think it's as specific as shown in the series. Amos was hoping lack of empathy was a condition that was curable. We know that Amos was raised as a child in brothels, now we've learned that
The lieutenant seemed to give Bobbie latitude, but I learned working with Marines that it's a stupid lieutenant who doesn't listen carefully to his gunnery sergeant and keep the gunny on his side.
They showed us that Julie seemed to have a near-death vision of Miller (in his hat) along with the bird. Something there seems metaphysical. I think we know enough about Miller's investment. Julie is not Miller's flame, Julie was Miller's spark. We need to think more about Dawes: "Underneath that ridiculous hat there is a Belter yearning to be free." That was Dawes talking, but it was also the writers talking.
I agree with you that Alex is overwrought about the situation. I think that is really a reaction to inner negativity of having abandoned his family.
Naomi is dealing with a real conundrum with Holden. She's a Belter. We see that whenever she's with Belters, she falls right into step with them. She loves Belters, she identifies with Belters, and to her Eros wasn't just a tragedy, it was a holocaust. The fact that Holden refuses to sympathize with his lover's own beloved people is a problem.
Yep, Cortázar's actor, Carlos Gonzalez-Vio, does an amazing job. He's a fascinating character.
I love Expanse day!
"Best liar on the boat". Lol Such a great reaction. Made me chuckle.
Amos was so interested in Cortazar because he had the same thing: lack of empathy. But it wasn't from a procedure, it was from his messed up childhood. A self-defense mechanism. I believe it's something he struggles with, and why he chooses to be with GOOD people.
2 more episodes for Book 1 finale! Can't wait!
My word! Thank you so much, my friend! Your support and positive energy is so very appreciated!
I love when Amos's lack of attachment/empathy manifest in realistic ways. Like when he just gets up and walks away from Miller at the bar without saying a word :D
Again thank you, my friend!
@@WarpReactor just because another character describes her as "the best liar ON THE CREW" doesn't mean she's just a liar, and you have to take everything she says with a grain of salt - only that she has a greater capability to lie than than the other four (two of which are unusually honest people, and one that seems like a terrible liar who crumbles immediately upon interrogation). You haven't been shown Naomi being actively or passively deceptive much at all; she's been keeping her past quiet, but does come clean at least a little bit about it, and that doesn't seem like enough to have "deceiver" as a primary character trait. You have to weigh your paranoia against Occam's Razor sometimes when it comes to characterization.
@@Melancthon7332 It's a bit weird he's so convinced based on nothing that all the major female characters we've met so far must be devious liars. ...somebody's got issues...
Amos’ character is so well portrayed here. And you’ll only learn more about him by picking up little throw away lines throughout the show. So well done. Amos is best. ❤
Love that in the pre-reaction announcement he’s already got the patch jacket!
Miller shooting Dresden: Dresden killed ~⅓ of the Belter population by taking out Eros, so think of a not-especially religious Jewish person running into, say, Himmler… also, really reminds me of the U.S. funneling Nazi scientists into U.S. R&D programs (like NASA) after WWII. Sure, they tortured and killed a bunch of people but the government just couldn’t bring themselves to “waste” all that potential innovation and Miller saw this type of situation playing out and nipped it in the bud.
That’s a very good analogy.
Not to mention that, with the genocide hanging over his head, if a Belter could find him even the slightest bit convincing, Inners would have even less reason to question the reasoning. Take him out while you still think the scientific research isn't worth killing even more of your people.
_"Dresden killed ~⅓ of the Belter population"_
The Belt has a population of 50 - 100 millions (depending on UN or OPA census)
Eros inhabits 100k Belters, so that's 0.2 - 0.4 %.
"The tension is at an all time high here."
That line made me laugh out loud. I know it's trite, but I can't help myself. Most shows have a tension scale that goes to 10. The Expanse turns that into an exponential scale.
Hoping for a double header next week!
This is just the foothills of the tension mountains.
"Ours goes up to eleven!"
You're right in concluding that Miller is not a knight out to do good. But don't skip what happened in Diogo's apartment. Miller self-declared as a "Belter" and outwardly represented that by shaving his head. This is a kind of salvation (see the Mormon's offer) for Miller. He is now _Beltalowda._
'The universe lives, it breathes, and if you let it it will swallow your soul'..
Keep your words on your mind throughout the seasons. They will mean more than you know by the end of the run.
And why Naomi may be the only one scarier than Sir Isaac Newton, the scariest son of a b¡tch in space!
Under appreciated in this show, perhaps because most reactors lack religious instruction, is that the statue on the bow of the L.D.S.S. Nauvoo is the Angel Moroni. Importantly, Moroni is the one who (allegedly) told *Joseph* Smith that God had a work for for him (Smith) to do. Perhaps you missed it, but *Miller's first name is Josephus.*
No, Fred sent Chrisjen the coordinates of the stealth ship that the Roci crippled in the previous episode. Almost all reactors miss this simple fact.
"No don't end this"
Yup. Several more seasons of exactly this sentiment LOL.
After I finished the show I decided to read all the books, definitely something you should do when you're done. It's just so good!
I guess what Julie did for Miller is remind him and help him find his identity as a Belter who feels loayalty to his people. Remember he was the asshole cop who was born Belter but dressed like an Earther, working for an Earther corp that turned out to be corrupt, other Belters accusing him of being a traitor to his people? Julie was kinda the opposite. A privileged Earther who sympathized with Belters so much that she became one of them, even going as far as going against her family and dying for her believes. She was someone with a deep passion that jaded Miller had totally lost.
Also, I think the thing she gave him was purpose. When we first meet Miller, he's just going through the motions of life but nothing really affects him. Then he gets this kidnap job dropped on him, but the subject of the job starts intriguing him.Then the mystery that unfolds intrigues him. And before he knows it, his life has purpose again - this mystery and this woman are the most alive he has felt in years. Then, when pursuing them, the rest of his life - his job - gets taken away.
At that point, finding Julie and solving the mystery are the only things left in his life that matter to him at all. Without his job, he doesn't really have a future and he didn't like his life that much anyway. So this thing that he's pursuing is the only thing that matters to him anymore. And when he finds Julie dead, well, his mission just changes from rescue to revenge.
@@Thanaeon Purpose! that's the word! That's basically what I meant, too but you probably articulated it better :)
Lopez didn't say Naomi was a prolific liar. He just said she was the best liar out of the group.
Miller always being the detective. After checking out the Nauvoo, . "Boy, it sounds like just what I need" ...as a battering ram.
There are clues as to Miller's motivation. Revisit the scene where Julie sees Miller - hat, bird & necklace. It is the image of him looking for her. She was infected and desperately wishing for someone to come find her - someone from Ceres. Dawes wasn't looking for her but Miller was, and that's who she saw. She didn't see him as he was on Eros but as he was on Ceres. Recall the scenes of Miller watching the bird, or was it the bird watching Miller? Miller told Semi that he believes in her, "That's all I got." Miller doesn't even know why he's so driven. Now Miller is seeing Julie and we're given information about the protomolecule that shows it can send out some type of signal - possibly made from the people it consumed - that can be picked up at Tycho station.
Put all that together and shake it around a bit and ask again what is driving Miller.
Every time a reactor says “Don’t you dare end this episode!!”….😂 🤣 👍🏻👍🏻
Amos: I’ve never believed Amos doesn’t have empathy- he just doesn’t let it figure into his decision making equation…
(Doing my best to not be spoilery here)
The more we find out about him & his past - the more we understand that while, as Miller says “you seem like a trigger happy wack job” - in reality, he is very smart, very strong both mentally and physically, & absolutely the guy you want on your team- He’s not someone who makes decisions lightly- just quickly…
On to the next one! - Buckle up buckaroos! 🚀
There is so much we can’t say because of spoilers. But already Amos has said things that give us a clue to past that made him what he is.
One of the many many many great things Ty and Daniel do so very well in their writing is make you see both sides of a debate/argument.
I just finished my 3rd reading, I addition to listening to the audiobook twice. I've watched the series a half dozen times, in addition to watching multiple RUclips reactors, and I'm still in awe of their talent.
@WarpReactor Amos was so incredibly casted with Wes Chatham. Apparently he had read all the books (up to that point, at least) and Amos was his favorite character, and he wanted to play him the most. I guess his audition was so perfect they just had to take him!
Naomi Nagata: best liar on the ship. Yes, but that doesn’t mean that everything is necessarily a lie. But if it is, you probably can’t tell ;)
Yep, the fact that Naomi lied to a Martian interrogator doesn't necessarily mean that she lies to everyone everywhere all the time. But maybe she does. We'll see.
That Belter fixing the Rocci, is Camina Drummer. Keep an eye on her. She is one of the coolest characters in the show. When she speaks, everyone should listen.
Beltalowda!
@@Justanotherconsumer that, is your Sharpness !
She's credited as "Col Johnson's second in command." She's not named until episode 8. I suspect the screenwriters (which included the original authors) hadn't yet decided which of three possible names they'd give her, compared to the books.
Que the spoilers, lol..
@@Markus117d Not many people realize that Drummer isn't named yet at this point, and unless someone has read the books (or even if they have), revealing her name doesn't spoil anything.
Amos recognizes something similar to himself. Amos is not really a sociopath, but he’s close. His life has left him emotionally numb and he recognizes that in others. The scientist was turned into a psychopath by eliminating his ability to feel empathy.
The question (and the delivery) about whether it can be reversed gives some major insight as to how little Amos enjoys who he is.
@@Justanotherconsumer Yes, and it is why he turns out to be the most complex character on the show, even if it is in a very subtle way. I just don’t want to spoil anything. WR gets so excited and shocked and I don’t want to ruin any of that.
Okay, some thoughts.
Firstly Errin-Wright is a patriot. He would always put 'Earth first' and would be horrified at anything and everything that threatened Earth. However, patriotism is the virtue of the vicious. So, he is willing to do evil that good might come from it.
Amos, is a product of his experiences. So he has not necessarily been 'modified' but he has been changed by the things that have been done to him. He would be interested in how such a procedure would be done and undone because it might be of use to him. As Naomi said, He's always just needed help with the world.
Julie's continued existence or lack there-of. Is Miller seeing her because he is manifesting her or is he seeing her because she is there to be seen?
Great reaction! I so appreciate how you delve into the show. I will say that your bringing up Lopez's comment about Naomi several times has made me rethink some things. All I will say is that not all lies come from a place of ill intent. Sometimes lies come from a place of self-preservation.
I think Fred already played the blackbox data info from Lopez. It was his proof that the ships that attacked the Donnager were built at Earth Shipyards and not by him at Tycho. He sent Avasarala something new.
Great reaction and analysis!
Very good catch on multiple things in this episode!
Amos did say that he understood why Cortazar beat the hell outof the guy in the cell with that bench, it was the fastest way to a solution so he good get back to what he was doing.
The next two episodes are very special for this series!
Looking forward to it!
There's a reason why Amos ended his conversation with Miller when he did. Rewatch that scene and pay close attention not to what they're saying, but to what Amos and Miller are doing.
Thanks for the amazing reaction! @WarpReactor
Regarding the Fred johnson Avaserala exchange: He sent her the coordinates to the wreck of the stealth ship from last episode (season 2 ep 2) the one that got shredded to swiss cheese by the roci in close quarters.
Its not the Data from Lopez. I don't think he ever told holden he has that (on screen anymway). He already used that information in his speech condemming earth where he proved that the stealth ships are earth manufactured based on their engine signatures and all that info he has from lopez. If i remember correctly that was basically dismissed by the UN as Fake (then chrisjen found blueprints for them in that martian ambassedors office on those pencil datasticks but has no way to come clean with it since its not saying WHO they are for. the Protogen link is missing to her till now. Without that evidence it would point at earth which well... thats her faction. makes no sense to shoot onself in the foot intil you can find the culprit to pin it to).
Also i think the Lopez data was used to make the Combat sim Alex trained in. reference was all the combat capabilities observed by the ships during the donnager battle. The position of weapon hardpoints, speed, Acceleration, RCS thruster placements, Projectile speeds of PDC and railgun, Charge time for that,.... all the information was right there to make an "accurate enemy model"
Instead this time he has a mich bigger playing chip he handed over to Avaserala: A Semi-intact in the flesh Stealth ship. Data can be faked. Try faking a perviously functioning Stealth ship matching all previously released data (like that it came from earth's Bush Naval Shipyards) including authentic battle damage and dead crew that has Records tracing back to Protogen (just like Cortizar's employment history)...
So yeah. He gave Chrisjen a Hammer and Protogen is the nail...
it's a good job he's a couple of episodes ahead in real time as otherwise this comment is borderline spoilers. Go careful there!
@@MattNolanCustom I know and I know. I don't remember too much but it was kinda badly explained in the show I feel or other points I made were all kinda in the background never really mentioned.
And everything I said is technically not a spoiler. Everything I said already happened.
@@MattNolanCustom I'm with you for taking care about people spoiling, but I can't find any spoiler in this comment. Everything they tell already happened and was fully revealed, unless I missed something.
@@madux42true, but some of it was slightly vague or ambiguous, and will become less so with further upcoming exposition. I always feel it is better to leave well alone. If it is obvious then why comment, if it isn't then it's part of the viewing experience that you could be short-changing
Loving your expanse theories and reactions😊
The Nauvoo is (basically) an O'Neill cylinder habitat with huge engines attached.
We can't make fusion engines with our current technology, but we've had the knowledge to make the habitat since the 1970s.
We just haven't had the motivation to spend the money to do it.
What Julie represents to Miller is "redemption."
Everything everybody said about him is *true* and at some level, he knew it.
So, he created an "innocent damsel-in-distress" version of Julie on his head; fixated on it; and then set out to "rescue" her -- only to find out she *really did* need rescuing, and that he was just too late.
Layers upon layers as we get to know these characters. Great reaction as always❤
317 likes in 4 hrs? See you on Tuesday mi Kopeng!!
This is such a lovely breather this episode. And we need it for the epic double header coming up
I think you're obsessing a bit about that one line from Lopez.
Just because someone is a good liar doesn't mean they're always lying to everyone all the time. I think you can see why a Belter might be likely to lie in a Martian interrogation, while the others wouldn't (or like Amos, just remain silent).
EXPANSE day !!!!!
15:20 I think the Lt is reading between the lines and has decided that what happened has already sorted itself out. Travis being born on Earth means he's always going to get some amount of shit, but without the added tension of the strike on Deimos, there wouldn't be any real heat behind the words. Making a bigger deal out of it at this point would mean making things official, and there would be paperwork, and stuff going on people's records, and in his judgement, it's not worth the hassle.
So Bobbie - being the SNCO - gets a fairly mild MWOC, and because shit rolls downhill, everyone else will get the message.
38:21 The lopez intel was what sparked all of this, rememeber, Johnson did a public statement accusing earth to be behind the ships (produced by Bush Naval Yards, that's on Luna) the info he sent Avasarala this episode you will see next episode, was the known location of one of these ships (I say this as you have admitted being ahead a couple of episodes)
This is one those perfect episodes! Everything just fits together like clockwork.
Also, goosebumps! Oh, soooo many goosebumps! We've got more information now, but is it enough?
I CANT WAIT FOR THE NEXT TWO!!
The treatment that Cortazar, and probably Fresden, underwent, the Transcranial Magnetic Hyper-Stimulation, is actually being offered currently as a treatment for severe depression and anxiety. They don't use the "Hyper" in the title. It's simply called Transcranial Magnetic Stimulatuon.
Ho you are getting hung up on Lopez's observation of Naomi being the "best liar" of the group. Don't forget, a HUGE part of his job was to sow division between his captives. He was planting seeds of distrust... apparently it worked pretty well. 😉
Mars is a military state. There's Niwot much debate on what the public thinks or what is diplomatic, and orders are immediately obeyed. It may as well be a dictatorship.
"...and the only thing we have left to do is talk about it" getting longer and longer 😁
I won't spoil what connects them, but if you enjoy The Expanse and the new Fallout show, you should watch Arcane. It's just 9 episodes and easily one of the highest quality shows I've ever scene, and I'm an Expanse fan lol. Not sure if it technically counts as sci-fi, but I think it's close enough to belong on this channel.
You mentioned towards the end how Mars's government seems a lot more streamlined than Earth's, and that's something that struck me early on as well. I'm not going to call Mars fascist, because that would be reductive, but, from a historical parallels point of view, the first thing the Nazis did when they took power in Germany in '33 was to start their program of "Gleichschaltung," which doesn't have a good translation into English, but basically meant "an alignment of goals." Their idea was to give the populace a singular goal, and streamline all aspects of society (government, media, arts, entertainment, ...) towards that goal. In Mars's case, that goal is Terraforming (with a capital T), or turning Mars from a dead rock into a garden.
My point here is that if something happens that changes the way towards their goal, Martian society as a whole is going to turn on a dime and change direction, no questions asked. In the show's past, when the Terraforming project was threatened by a blockade by Earth, Mars turned from a society of builders into a society of war. They're still in that mode at this point in the show. But what would Mars turn into if there was another paradigm change? What would even happen to Mars if they somehow lost their original goal? Those are scary thoughts.
In this show Mars is a downright military cult. It does have a fascist bent, but it's more just a cult of military hierarchy.
@@TheDanEdwards so far, the only Martians we have seen are military people. It's not surprising that this is the conclusion that is drawn.
#OctaviaWatch2024 continues! Any day now!
Another great episode... So close... Keep up the great work! 🖖🤘😁
No Fred gave Chrisjen the location of the scrapped stealth Alex shot to shit
In Emperor Palpatine voice : "The paranoia remains strong with this one, " I would love to see your reactions to Shogun to see it put to full use! ;) Fun reactions as always.
Miller’s like… pick a ship, any ship?
Miller definitely picked an awkward choice, but it was an epic choice.
I guess he wasn’t technically on the ship, but he decided that it should go.
BTW, if you are looking to add an animated show to fill any slots, please consider FINAL SPACE
7:33 - Naomi was just as short-sighted and irrational as Miller here. Dresden was an unarmed mass murderer who was about to spill the beans on who had been funding his research, who else was involved, what they had discovered, etc. Rather than simply playing along and killing him *after* they had exposed the others, Miller ensured that Dresden took that knowledge to the grave with him - a decision which has far-reaching in-universe consequences. It was a colossally stupid thing to do. - I still love Miller though!
Not really. Dresden said he was only willing to cooperate if he was allowed to continue his research "unrestricted." He was directly saying he wouldn't give them anything unless he could continue committing genocide. He could simply just give them a trickle of information as they allowed him to continue his "experiments" in order to assure his safety. Both Naomi and Miller were correct that he'd never be held accountable if he was allowed to cut a deal. Just study history a bit and you'll find plenty of examples of people trying to justify pure evil with an "it's for the greater good" argument. As long as people don't see themselves as being part of the group that will be sacrificed for that "greater good" they are susceptible to that line of thinking. It's actually creepy how easily so many viewers are convinced by it. Miller and Naomi are 100% correct on this one, and it's basically the only time in the entire series that I fully agree with Naomi. Miller even says it. "I didn't kill him because he was crazy, I killed him because he was making sense." He knew that people are susceptible to being swayed by that argument if they aren't part of the group that's going to be murdered.
@@davebcf1231 Well said. Dresden would have thrown Jules Pierre Mao under the bus, and continued his work ‘for the good of the human race’.
@@davebcf1231 this show has a number of ethical "gotchas" like that for the unsuspecting viewer.
Don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet but Avasarala is basically not present in the first book. So much of her inclusion in the first season is original to the show or drags up in the timeline some book 2 plotlines
Yeah, but it was the right thing to do. You can’t have too much Avasarala.
@@afrancis1582 i agree
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