Update: The no hospital folks lost big. The blighted buildings are gone and steel for the new hospital has topped out. This once hollowed-out section of downtown looks much better already.
The killer part is this was home for me from September of 1984 to February of 1991. I love this town & it hurts me to see the decay of it !!! I miss the regional food, the hot weather in the summer but most of all the people. I really do hope Utica rebounds before it sinks any further !!!
For a historical perspective of the Columbia-Lafayette Streets Neighborhood, and information on the buildings, please visit www.nohospitaldowntown.com/landmarks-utica-columbia-lafayette-streets-neighborhood.html
The building is already built now, what do you want them to do stop and let it decay??? Tear it down? Seriously y’all lost! The hospital is built! It’s over!
Ill-advised leadership in the Mohawk Valley seeks to replace the buildings and streets in this video with a 5th hospital district- we say no! No public comment, no information, and thus www.nohospitaldowntown.com
Thanks for question. The county, world, is afloat in historic buildings that sit unloved. In Utica, the dismal Upstate economy is the main reason some of these are not occupied, but others are occupied. The neighborhood and buildings are historic www.nohospitaldowntown.com/landmarks-utica-columbia-lafayette-streets-neighborhood.html And there's life in many www.nohospitaldowntown.com/businesses-to-be-displaced-within-the-downtown-utica-hospital-zone.html Two are "abandoned" a.k.a. owned by the City, who lets them sit with open windows, the same code violations they'd fine a taxpayer for. In this situation the City is happy to keep buildings looking rundown as it builds the case for bulldozers - for the common observer that is, not I thus we are: #NoHospitalDowntown More at www.NoHospitalDowntown.com
You realize how many jobs that would create for upstate new york? How many individuals that would be able to work to either build the hospital or work in it? And your sitting there complaining about buildings when you should be looking out for those men and women who can't find work because there barely is any in upstate new York, who can't provide for their families because of the lack of local businesses hiring people. You wanna sit there and complain and sit behind a computer screen bitching about historic buildings aren't being well kept, you realize that if they had historic status they'd get grants from the state to be well kept right? Who deemed these buildings historic, a bunch of keyboard warriors who just got bored with something they were complaining about before and decided to complain about something else? And I dont think you have even the slightest clue what this is going to do for first responders such as myself. #Yeshospitaldowntown
Same jobs (in new hospital and on the construction) will occur on the 64- acres the hospital owns at St. Luke's pbs.twimg.com/media/CfOWJ8EXIAA9AsQ.jpg:large or at Faxton Hospital (which will remain open). So you know, I'm not just sitting at a keyboard all the time. I'm spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on a downtown building. Also know others doing the same (some even in the targeted "downtown hospital zone" ), and know still others that would do same in buildings the Albany wishes to tear down. Thanks for being a first responder, what are your issues? Very happy to try and understand all sides.
what do we see in this video? all I see is a reason to build the hospital, there's no life downtown, or in any of these buildings. Utica has become a city of decline in the past 40 years, rejecting the hospital would do exactly that, business were closing left and right and as a resident, I see everyone's goal is to get out and move elsewhere. Is that where you want this city to go? if you really cared for this city then you'd be encouraging grouth, instead of these run down factories.
Happy to debate you, your assessment is not correct. Please offer us your bio and credentials. There are 40 businesses that are functioning TODAY, the hospital is a taxpayer boondoggle and has many other flaws. Happy to share these details and facts, unlike those touting this 5th and ill-conceived concept.
You want MY credentials? Being a life time resident is saying enough, your blank statement is all there is to argue this topic. I'm not sure which of these "40 businesses" you think will grow this city back to its highlight, but if you drive around broad st, you'll see the potential. Do you think big companies want a place like Utica where we have no major population, nor the current facilities to support one. The only reason anyone would go to Utica is for Government work, New Hartford and other smaller local towns are already boxing us out of retail stores, and since then we've lost many here. Why do people go to Syracuse? Four major reasons, their mall, the Hospital, their college, and travil (airport) I would love to see that here, in Utica, but rejecting a Hospital is taking a step backwards. Now I do agree that we should keep St. Elizabeth Medical Center open as well, I wont argue that, but that has nothing to do with the construction of the Hospital itself.
Hats off to all those working hard! I've purchased an "old factory" downtown (2,000 feet from the area the hospital wants), I've placed $500,000+ into it and counting. Plan to live downtown, and starting multiple new businesses. Lived in Hotel Utica as a student in 1986, made a commitment to help Utica, stuck around and purchased 5 properties. I've built a company based on an invention of my own - discovered while working in area factories as an engineer. I've traveled the world and seen some things. "Lifelong Utica-area residents" run our sad Utica-area politics, so I apologize, but just being a lifelong resident isn't a qualification on its own. Companies do not move to the Upstate because taxes and energy costs are extreme. Utica is known to have poor politic, people that act badly, countless signs all over, year-in and year-out. Our economic development efforts are rated D- to an F rated. Removing more Utica land off the tax rolls takes us further down a rat hole. Moving hospital jobs from one side of town to downtown doesn't grow the economy. Spending money on stealing property from private (taxpaying) businesses to give to another business (that is tax exempt) is BAD, some one say stupid! When added to the falling population (that you correctly mention) is very troubling. Our posts are here www.NoHospitalDowntown.com - two years worth of investigations - but I'm happy to debate here for the next 24 months if needed, as you like. I'm committed to killing the downtown hospital concept and seeing that this www.BetterUticaDowntown.com happens. I'm a good guy, and on the right side of this argument. Our politicians (who suggest they know economic development and healthcare? Hah!), they're the ones you would listen too? I've created jobs, bring wealth into the area every day and spend it on new businesses and real estate. Those suggesting a hospital is a solution live out of your wallet and ask you for more every year. They can't even afford to pave your roads (a basic service) with the tax money you give them, so they've taken out a credit card (a bond) to "pave all the roads in 15 years"... but that's troubling too, as our roads fail in as few as 5 years or less.
Update: The no hospital folks lost big. The blighted buildings are gone and steel for the new hospital has topped out. This once hollowed-out section of downtown looks much better already.
My grandfather Tudor Williams's furniture store. Such memories growing up in utica and sad to see it now
The killer part is this was home for me from September of 1984 to February of 1991. I love this town & it hurts me to see the decay of it !!! I miss the regional food, the hot weather in the summer but most of all the people. I really do hope Utica rebounds before it sinks any further !!!
For a historical perspective of the Columbia-Lafayette Streets Neighborhood, and information on the buildings, please visit www.nohospitaldowntown.com/landmarks-utica-columbia-lafayette-streets-neighborhood.html
The building is already built now, what do you want them to do stop and let it decay??? Tear it down? Seriously y’all lost! The hospital is built! It’s over!
Ill-advised leadership in the Mohawk Valley seeks to replace the buildings and streets in this video with a 5th hospital district- we say no! No public comment, no information, and thus www.nohospitaldowntown.com
where is Charles town mall Utica
do these building actually have historic status? if so then why are a majority of them run down and abandoned ?
Thanks for question. The county, world, is afloat in historic buildings that sit unloved. In Utica, the dismal Upstate economy is the main reason some of these are not occupied, but others are occupied. The neighborhood and buildings are historic www.nohospitaldowntown.com/landmarks-utica-columbia-lafayette-streets-neighborhood.html And there's life in many www.nohospitaldowntown.com/businesses-to-be-displaced-within-the-downtown-utica-hospital-zone.html Two are "abandoned" a.k.a. owned by the City, who lets them sit with open windows, the same code violations they'd fine a taxpayer for. In this situation the City is happy to keep buildings looking rundown as it builds the case for bulldozers - for the common observer that is, not I thus we are: #NoHospitalDowntown More at www.NoHospitalDowntown.com
You realize how many jobs that would create for upstate new york? How many individuals that would be able to work to either build the hospital or work in it? And your sitting there complaining about buildings when you should be looking out for those men and women who can't find work because there barely is any in upstate new York, who can't provide for their families because of the lack of local businesses hiring people. You wanna sit there and complain and sit behind a computer screen bitching about historic buildings aren't being well kept, you realize that if they had historic status they'd get grants from the state to be well kept right? Who deemed these buildings historic, a bunch of keyboard warriors who just got bored with something they were complaining about before and decided to complain about something else? And I dont think you have even the slightest clue what this is going to do for first responders such as myself.
#Yeshospitaldowntown
Same jobs (in new hospital and on the construction) will occur on the 64- acres the hospital owns at St. Luke's pbs.twimg.com/media/CfOWJ8EXIAA9AsQ.jpg:large or at Faxton Hospital (which will remain open). So you know, I'm not just sitting at a keyboard all the time. I'm spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on a downtown building. Also know others doing the same (some even in the targeted "downtown hospital zone" ), and know still others that would do same in buildings the Albany wishes to tear down. Thanks for being a first responder, what are your issues? Very happy to try and understand all sides.
what do we see in this video? all I see is a reason to build the hospital, there's no life downtown, or in any of these buildings. Utica has become a city of decline in the past 40 years, rejecting the hospital would do exactly that, business were closing left and right and as a resident, I see everyone's goal is to get out and move elsewhere. Is that where you want this city to go? if you really cared for this city then you'd be encouraging grouth, instead of these run down factories.
Happy to debate you, your assessment is not correct. Please offer us your bio and credentials. There are 40 businesses that are functioning TODAY, the hospital is a taxpayer boondoggle and has many other flaws. Happy to share these details and facts, unlike those touting this 5th and ill-conceived concept.
You want MY credentials? Being a life time resident is saying enough, your blank statement is all there is to argue this topic. I'm not sure which of these "40 businesses" you think will grow this city back to its highlight, but if you drive around broad st, you'll see the potential. Do you think big companies want a place like Utica where we have no major population, nor the current facilities to support one. The only reason anyone would go to Utica is for Government work, New Hartford and other smaller local towns are already boxing us out of retail stores, and since then we've lost many here. Why do people go to Syracuse? Four major reasons, their mall, the Hospital, their college, and travil (airport) I would love to see that here, in Utica, but rejecting a Hospital is taking a step backwards. Now I do agree that we should keep St. Elizabeth Medical Center open as well, I wont argue that, but that has nothing to do with the construction of the Hospital itself.
So you don't wish to sit face to face and debate? Let's walk this area and have a chat, okay?
I do apologize that some of us work very hard, but this setting is fit for a debate. Any actual response to my last statement?
Hats off to all those working hard! I've purchased an "old factory" downtown (2,000 feet from the area the hospital wants), I've placed $500,000+ into it and counting. Plan to live downtown, and starting multiple new businesses. Lived in Hotel Utica as a student in 1986, made a commitment to help Utica, stuck around and purchased 5 properties. I've built a company based on an invention of my own - discovered while working in area factories as an engineer. I've traveled the world and seen some things. "Lifelong Utica-area residents" run our sad Utica-area politics, so I apologize, but just being a lifelong resident isn't a qualification on its own. Companies do not move to the Upstate because taxes and energy costs are extreme. Utica is known to have poor politic, people that act badly, countless signs all over, year-in and year-out. Our economic development efforts are rated D- to an F rated. Removing more Utica land off the tax rolls takes us further down a rat hole. Moving hospital jobs from one side of town to downtown doesn't grow the economy. Spending money on stealing property from private (taxpaying) businesses to give to another business (that is tax exempt) is BAD, some one say stupid! When added to the falling population (that you correctly mention) is very troubling. Our posts are here www.NoHospitalDowntown.com - two years worth of investigations - but I'm happy to debate here for the next 24 months if needed, as you like. I'm committed to killing the downtown hospital concept and seeing that this www.BetterUticaDowntown.com happens. I'm a good guy, and on the right side of this argument. Our politicians (who suggest they know economic development and healthcare? Hah!), they're the ones you would listen too? I've created jobs, bring wealth into the area every day and spend it on new businesses and real estate. Those suggesting a hospital is a solution live out of your wallet and ask you for more every year. They can't even afford to pave your roads (a basic service) with the tax money you give them, so they've taken out a credit card (a bond) to "pave all the roads in 15 years"... but that's troubling too, as our roads fail in as few as 5 years or less.