Yup. I am very posterior chain dominant. and my deadlift is more than 100lb ahead of my squat @500lb. I am improving my leg strength a lot recently and this video is a great resource. So thanks for that. However for me, quad strength doesn't seem to be the issue, it's more the lack of coordination w everything from the knee down. So focusing on full foot pressure and really trying to be heavy in my feet the whole way has been a game changer.
I deadlift 60kgs (132lbs) and can barely squat 10kg (20~lbs) without breaking down in the good morning position. What should I do man. I'm so afraid of leg days just because of this.
@@VivekTiwari03 given those numbers I think you’ll benefit a lot from just not worrying too much and just practice, practice practice. It will smooth out over time, at your stage in lifting probably best to not worry about small details and just keep working and growing. Also keep in mind that it’s actually surprisingly difficult to keep good form when you squat very light weights like just a 20kg bar especially when you’re relatively new
Dude... This is it. It's quads. Makes so much sense. Idk y I never thought of it. Even when I was strong (relatively) I always did the good morning squat and my hammies and glutes were also ten times more sore than my quads, if they were even sore.. Thank you
This is far and away the best and most straightforward strength training content I have seen on youtube, and I have been at it for over a decade. No BS, no ideology, just straightforward discussion of the pros and cons of every choice for multiple types of athletes, bodies, and goals. Between this channel and Renaissance Periodization I think we can shut down youtube, we're done here.
This video speaks to my soul, man. Been hurt a few times now as a result of squat morning ego lifting. Now I'm dealing with spinal rehab as well as technical rebuilding of my squat form. Y'ALL NEED TO LISTEN TO THIS MAN!
I'm working on a video addressing back injuries in training, especially for strongman competitors. I had my first when I was 17 and that led to at least 10 more over the years. An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure! Your point cuts to the principle behind TRAINING and that it is, by definition, different than testing. If you have a weakness that leads to a form breakdown at a certain load, your training will benefit so much more from keeping a rigid technical ceiling and making the light weight work for you rather than putting your head down and trying to bully your way through the next PR. The bracing stuff is boring and un-sexy, but part of the reason that I'm putting so much of my content in that basket is because it is the main reason I can still function after all the damage I've taken. Start every leg day with some 90/90 breathing, dead bugs, and anti-rotation and you will begin to forget you ever had a back issue to begin with!
@@AlexanderBromley Dude for sure. Shit that I used to shrug off or bounce back from at 18 isn't the same at 30+. I learned the hard way that I can't just walk in cold, throw on 3-4 plates and start grinding. Warm ups and mobility is 100% not sexy and doesn't get click or views, but it keeps you in the game, and that's the most important part. It's definitely hard to keep checking your ego and work on submax or boring weights, but you've got to trust the process that you put the boring work in during training so that the PR or performance is there on Comp day. Looking forward to more of your content, always a good watch if it's something new to learn, or just the something old that I probably needed to hear.
Finally a video that provides confirmation bias that I’m doing the right thing to fix my squat morning lol. To explain, I’m doing starting strength. I got up to 295 3x5, but decided my form was too bad to keep going. So I’ve lowered my weight and doing pin squats at the correct depth with a slower tempo to re groove my form.
Really like how you can solve the problem by just putting form first, strength second. No need to go bodybuilder mode and start isolation exercises. Also, it's probably a more efficient fix due to specificity.
Thank you for taking the time to correct the horrible squat form that I've apparently been taught by Rippetoe. Lol. Hey. At least I've been "squatting", right? Only 3 months into my barbell journey, but I will say that, while I've based my program on SS, I've made some adjustments. I alternate hi-bar and low-bar squats. I only do my big lifts twice a week, and I only sacrifice virgin kittens to Mars under the blood moon. So far, I've avoided injury and made gains. Can't argue with results...
Girl here. Deadlift 245, bench 135, can’t squat 135 without my hips shooting up. Got my squat morning up to 215 before having to cut the weight down again due to poor form :(
Best advice I can give to people is stop chasing weight until they balance it out. Its a pain in the ass but it can be done. Toms of quad work and front squats, pause squats, tempo squats.... tons of volume with weight that allows perfect setup.
Thank you for this! I'm new to lifting and was wondering why I wasn't feeling squats in my quads. After filming myself, I could see I'm doing these squat mornings. Gonna back off the barbell for a little bit and focus on strengthening my quads with other movements along with lighter squats.
I did this and always thought it was because my lower back is weaker so I kept deadlifting not knowing that it was making the problem worse. Turns out my quads are weak. 😂
198 bodyweight I bench 260 paused I deadlift 420 easy I can only squat 365 and when I go over 315 my hips shoot back. Much stronger posterior chain and it likes to take over when my quads dont feel like it.
@@basedstruggler3436 I dont max out raw lifts anymore because I'm training eqquipped for powerlifting but my lifts now are 600 squat, 405 pause bench, 540 deadlift @ 220 bodyweight.
*I hope someone reads this and can give me a reply!* I think this applies to me. But, my quads are always TOAST after squatting. I never get sore in my glutes or hams. Only my quads are constantly very sore. Is this a sign for weak quads? Or a sign that I overutilize them and should look elsewhere?
I enjoyed this video, first I've seen that really explained the WHY the squat morning occurs. Does it make sense for this type of person with very strong hamstrings/hips to transition to low bar squatting?
Different. The Rippetoe style involves keeping the same hip angle as you come up. This refers to a form break where the hips shoot back, so you come out of the bottom more bent ever then when you went into the bottom
Rip and others teach to low bar and drive up with hips first. All this ever does is put me in a good morning and make me feel like im gonna fall on my face. Im sticking with high bar and not worry that I cant squat shit for weight (I suck horribly at squats...for now)
I've had a crap show squat since hurting my piriformis which took a lot longer to heal than expected. I've tried quite a few different squat patterns and i'll be doing great next thing I know one week i'll be repping a weight for 4 then next week i'll only be able to do one. when weight goes up i definitely squat morning. I did just try the strating strength squat and it looks the strongest but only been doing 8-10 rep range so nothing too taxing.
Too many 'heavy' workouts consecutively will lead to stagnation. Depending on the lift and the lifter, 'heavy' can be considered 85-90% and up. For instance, if I pull a new deadlift 1rm, I know for a fact my deadlift will feel like crap 7 days later. A challenging 4 reps will likely be 86-88% which is heavy enough to see temporary regression from one week to the next; might explain your swings in performance. If you do 'squat-morning' as the weight climbs, keep in mind that is also more taxing; crisp, upright technique is going to be easier to manage recovery for than if you are slipping into a position with bad leverages. 8-10 reps on squats is money; you will grow quickly and have enough repetition/practice to hone your technique.
I love your videos. Thank you for so much information you are sharing for free. I have one observation. I also have problem with few things with my squat and I am frustrated by that, but than I watch trening session and powerlfting meets of elite powerlifters like Jessica Buettner and Amanda Lawrence and they both have in grinder reps good morining form, also their knees cave in. So in another words they dont have good form but they are still at elite lvl. I will never be at elite lvl (just imagine if I can be one day) but will I ever get there with perfect form or with my anomaly movment pattern?
Why don’t you think you’d get there? You have to put the work in but I think it’s a achievable. Knees caving in is usually weak abductors or adductors. Or both. I good morning but I think we need to realize when we’re lifting 90%-100% of our one rep max…form will breakdown and we’ll choose the path of least resistance.
So, I did exactly this, I did a good morning with my max for reps on my shoulders. It herniated a disc in my lower back. That was two months ago. I'm back in the gym and lifting again but my back is still sore on the regular. What do I do?
This is exactly the situation I found myself in. I'm coming back to lifting after a few years and i've always been strong and confident in my deadlifts. Thank you for all the information you've put out @empire_barbell
I have this issue. It's so frustrating. What specific mobility, stability and quad strengthening exercises do you recommend for people that aren't at the level of doing bb squats yet?
If you aren't to the level of barbell squatting yet, problems like this tend to be related to coordination rather than strength, and practice is the key. The best 'fix' in my opinion is very strict execution with as light a weight as you need, even if it's just body weight. Keep a very rigid technical ceiling; stop the second form breaks down. You can focus on tempo squats with body weight, focusing on slow descent, pause at the bottom, and slow on the way up. Once you can do 10 or so reps perfectly, move to a goblet squat. Once you can perform a few perfect sets of 10 with a 40lb weight, you should be ready to put a barbell on your back and squat to a box, following the same progression. For those who are a little more advanced in the squat and suffer from this issue, any type of quad work or upright squatting accessory will help. Leg extensions, sled drags, leg presses with the feet close, etc. Strict front squats and overhead squats with an emphasis on staying perfectly upright are good as well.
Hey man! I know Josh personally, and recall those posts. I've also worked with him on his squat issues and said a lot of the same things. Have you told him about this video?
I interacted with him a little over messenger, but I haven't been in touch with him recently. Hard to make a dent with issues like this remotely. He's an example of why it's harder to fix these issues later in a lifting career. Seeing the poundages drop in the name of reworking movement patterns is a hard pill to swallow.
@@AlexanderBromleyI know exactly what you mean. That said, I spoke to him just last night, actually. His squat went up to 505, and more importantly was notably more crisp. Well done, man. This whole time I thought it was the advice I gave him lol. In defense of my ego, we apparently told him much of the same stuff ;)
Realised that this is exactly how i squat, and "my squat" is stronger that my deadlift...... Guess my deadlift strength is what made my "squat" stronger :P Time to fix this then i guess.
I see a lot of funky 'squaters' on the internet. I think very few actually can do it properly and I'm one of them. I bought a safety squat bar and I find it so much easier and a lot more of a natural movement with my hands out front rather than the traditional way of doing them.
Not at all. Clarence's knees don't shoot back. His squat is heavily quad-focused, really the opposite of a good morning squat. His change in torso angle when he comes out of the hole is just for balance, and normal and necessary when you're squatting as deep as he is.
@@zyphos9444 .... I’m looking strictly at Kennedy driving his hip up faster than everything else. I tried to find any ‘light’ weight Kennedy squat and didn’t come across any. Maybe you can link one just so we both can see his form on light vs heavy weight. Aren’t olympic lifter more upright coming out of the hoke than Kennedy? I think it has more to do with "strength limit" at the point when one’s torso starts dipping. If Kennedy squats his warmup weights of 135lb, 225lb, 315lb I think he would be more upright. I think he stats ‘good mornings’ it at a certain weight.
@@strawberryyogurt0 The mechanics of a squat with that depth mean that you'll always have to lean forward a little coming out of the hole. You'll be more upright at the bottom of a high bar ATG squat than say, just above parallel. You can see this to some extent with Toshiki Yamamoto and Dmitry Klokov, to think of two examples off the top of my head. It's less pronounced for them because they both have shorter femurs than Clarence. Also it's very unlikely for an Olympic Weightlifter to have a good morning squat, because they have an extreme surplus of quad strength (often to the point where they are stronger squatting high bar than low bar), so it's not a stronger position for them. It's not that he's driving his hips up first, but rather that *he has to* incline his torso to keep the bar over midfoot.
@@zyphos9444 ..... I’ll run a search on those two squatters when I get a chance. Even with a completely empty unloaded barbell, I’m sure all three squatters can squat up without having their hips rise first. Again, all I’m saying there’s a "tipping" point when weight is heavier than one’s strength. My own quads are a weak point, and I know that when the weights gets too heavy for me (even 1 lb over), I will good morning or shoot my hips up first because my hips/back side takes over). If my quads has the ‘strength’, I’ll be able to squat up from atg position without leaning my torso over.
Excellent video. Another great learning opportunity provided for free. Cheers man.
Yup. I am very posterior chain dominant. and my deadlift is more than 100lb ahead of my squat @500lb. I am improving my leg strength a lot recently and this video is a great resource. So thanks for that. However for me, quad strength doesn't seem to be the issue, it's more the lack of coordination w everything from the knee down. So focusing on full foot pressure and really trying to be heavy in my feet the whole way has been a game changer.
I deadlift 60kgs (132lbs) and can barely squat 10kg (20~lbs) without breaking down in the good morning position. What should I do man. I'm so afraid of leg days just because of this.
@@VivekTiwari03 given those numbers I think you’ll benefit a lot from just not worrying too much and just practice, practice practice. It will smooth out over time, at your stage in lifting probably best to not worry about small details and just keep working and growing. Also keep in mind that it’s actually surprisingly difficult to keep good form when you squat very light weights like just a 20kg bar especially when you’re relatively new
@@SilverSlugs16 Thank you so much! I have legs tomorrow :)
My deadlift is 100 pounds heavier too!
@@samanthaocampo8479 Long arm people rise up! 😂
Dude... This is it. It's quads. Makes so much sense. Idk y I never thought of it. Even when I was strong (relatively) I always did the good morning squat and my hammies and glutes were also ten times more sore than my quads, if they were even sore.. Thank you
This is far and away the best and most straightforward strength training content I have seen on youtube, and I have been at it for over a decade.
No BS, no ideology, just straightforward discussion of the pros and cons of every choice for multiple types of athletes, bodies, and goals. Between this channel and Renaissance Periodization I think we can shut down youtube, we're done here.
My goodness. Your knowledge is on another level. So many of these videos ring true to things I’ve experienced, but have never fully thought through.
This video speaks to my soul, man. Been hurt a few times now as a result of squat morning ego lifting. Now I'm dealing with spinal rehab as well as technical rebuilding of my squat form.
Y'ALL NEED TO LISTEN TO THIS MAN!
I'm working on a video addressing back injuries in training, especially for strongman competitors. I had my first when I was 17 and that led to at least 10 more over the years. An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure!
Your point cuts to the principle behind TRAINING and that it is, by definition, different than testing. If you have a weakness that leads to a form breakdown at a certain load, your training will benefit so much more from keeping a rigid technical ceiling and making the light weight work for you rather than putting your head down and trying to bully your way through the next PR.
The bracing stuff is boring and un-sexy, but part of the reason that I'm putting so much of my content in that basket is because it is the main reason I can still function after all the damage I've taken. Start every leg day with some 90/90 breathing, dead bugs, and anti-rotation and you will begin to forget you ever had a back issue to begin with!
@@AlexanderBromley Dude for sure. Shit that I used to shrug off or bounce back from at 18 isn't the same at 30+. I learned the hard way that I can't just walk in cold, throw on 3-4 plates and start grinding. Warm ups and mobility is 100% not sexy and doesn't get click or views, but it keeps you in the game, and that's the most important part.
It's definitely hard to keep checking your ego and work on submax or boring weights, but you've got to trust the process that you put the boring work in during training so that the PR or performance is there on Comp day.
Looking forward to more of your content, always a good watch if it's something new to learn, or just the something old that I probably needed to hear.
0 dislikes since video was released. No wonder, great video!
Finally a video that provides confirmation bias that I’m doing the right thing to fix my squat morning lol. To explain, I’m doing starting strength. I got up to 295 3x5, but decided my form was too bad to keep going. So I’ve lowered my weight and doing pin squats at the correct depth with a slower tempo to re groove my form.
yo props for the content you put out man, these videos are a huge help
That means a lot!
Really like how you can solve the problem by just putting form first, strength second. No need to go bodybuilder mode and start isolation exercises. Also, it's probably a more efficient fix due to specificity.
This information is extremely valuable and clearly should be more visible among strength training search results on RUclips.
So basically continue what I've been doing and stick with front squats. I like this advice 👍🏿
Wow, I have this exact problem when I reach my top set, never would have thought my quads were weak, but makes sense when you go through it
What a humble king. What a great video, I think I just found out why my squat feels so awkward!
Quality info here, I’m a good morning squatter and hopefully will have sorted this weakness out with some smart training adjustments, thanks :)
SSJ3 😂😂. Good reference. Great stuff in this video! Really is a huge help!
Thank you for taking the time to correct the horrible squat form that I've apparently been taught by Rippetoe. Lol. Hey. At least I've been "squatting", right? Only 3 months into my barbell journey, but I will say that, while I've based my program on SS, I've made some adjustments. I alternate hi-bar and low-bar squats. I only do my big lifts twice a week, and I only sacrifice virgin kittens to Mars under the blood moon. So far, I've avoided injury and made gains. Can't argue with results...
Girl here. Deadlift 245, bench 135, can’t squat 135 without my hips shooting up. Got my squat morning up to 215 before having to cut the weight down again due to poor form :(
Best advice I can give to people is stop chasing weight until they balance it out. Its a pain in the ass but it can be done. Toms of quad work and front squats, pause squats, tempo squats.... tons of volume with weight that allows perfect setup.
Thank you for this! I'm new to lifting and was wondering why I wasn't feeling squats in my quads. After filming myself, I could see I'm doing these squat mornings. Gonna back off the barbell for a little bit and focus on strengthening my quads with other movements along with lighter squats.
Top notch content. Really appreciate this information 🤜🏼🤛🏼
And here I always thought I had a weak ass and weaker abdominals. Thanks again for another amazing video.
Amazing video, everything you said applied to me. Thank you so much
Wish I had seen this 10 years ago. Thank you!
Can you share the routine you gave to Josh to build back up? (thousands of reps, etc.)
Great insight
Fantastic video.
I did this and always thought it was because my lower back is weaker so I kept deadlifting not knowing that it was making the problem worse. Turns out my quads are weak. 😂
Thank you
Excellent video series. I too am a good morning squatter. What about elevated squat shoes? Would that help at all?
… I was just personally called out. Literally imagined the SSJ3 transformation trying to squat too heavy like this.
198 bodyweight
I bench 260 paused
I deadlift 420 easy
I can only squat 365 and when I go over 315 my hips shoot back. Much stronger posterior chain and it likes to take over when my quads dont feel like it.
I'm at 240 bench, 405 dead and 340 squat and good morning above 295. Are you my slightly stronger twin brother?
201 bw
@@basedstruggler3436 I dont max out raw lifts anymore because I'm training eqquipped for powerlifting but my lifts now are 600 squat, 405 pause bench, 540 deadlift @ 220 bodyweight.
@@basedstruggler3436 For a while I was having issues with explosiveness in the deadlift which is why it hasnt gone up with my squat.
Can you repost the link? I dont think it works anymore
I'm trying to download that e book but can't find it on your website. Was this taken off?
*I hope someone reads this and can give me a reply!*
I think this applies to me. But, my quads are always TOAST after squatting. I never get sore in my glutes or hams. Only my quads are constantly very sore. Is this a sign for weak quads? Or a sign that I overutilize them and should look elsewhere?
What if my hips shit back a bit, but by torso stays at the same angle?
To all your videos I am the exception lol
I enjoyed this video, first I've seen that really explained the WHY the squat morning occurs. Does it make sense for this type of person with very strong hamstrings/hips to transition to low bar squatting?
I was just thinking I should run front squats for awhile to correct my hips shooting up first out of the bottom of my back squat.
Are High Bar squats good in fixing this?
Does that carry over to the low bar squat variation?
Some people seem to do the good morning squat on purpose, i.e. the Rippetoe (Starting Strength) squat. Or is this something different altogether?
Different. The Rippetoe style involves keeping the same hip angle as you come up. This refers to a form break where the hips shoot back, so you come out of the bottom more bent ever then when you went into the bottom
@@AlexanderBromley thank you, I have been curious about that for a while
@@AlexanderBromley finally, someone who understands the difference between a rippetoe squat and a good morning squat.. props to you dude.
No a quad dominate squater, i find safety bar squats in olympic lifting shoes works a treat
Hey do you do online coaching ?
Great content. Your ebook link is dead though.
Can't right adductors also pitch you forward? Wouldn't this explain his ankle roll?
I can feel Mark Rippetoes eyes burning in my back watching this video.
I definitely fcked up my last rep of squats today and ended up doing a squat morning.
Rip and others teach to low bar and drive up with hips first. All this ever does is put me in a good morning and make me feel like im gonna fall on my face. Im sticking with high bar and not worry that I cant squat shit for weight (I suck horribly at squats...for now)
I've had a crap show squat since hurting my piriformis which took a lot longer to heal than expected. I've tried quite a few different squat patterns and i'll be doing great next thing I know one week i'll be repping a weight for 4 then next week i'll only be able to do one. when weight goes up i definitely squat morning. I did just try the strating strength squat and it looks the strongest but only been doing 8-10 rep range so nothing too taxing.
Too many 'heavy' workouts consecutively will lead to stagnation. Depending on the lift and the lifter, 'heavy' can be considered 85-90% and up. For instance, if I pull a new deadlift 1rm, I know for a fact my deadlift will feel like crap 7 days later. A challenging 4 reps will likely be 86-88% which is heavy enough to see temporary regression from one week to the next; might explain your swings in performance. If you do 'squat-morning' as the weight climbs, keep in mind that is also more taxing; crisp, upright technique is going to be easier to manage recovery for than if you are slipping into a position with bad leverages. 8-10 reps on squats is money; you will grow quickly and have enough repetition/practice to hone your technique.
I love your videos. Thank you for so much information you are sharing for free. I have one observation. I also have problem with few things with my squat and I am frustrated by that, but than I watch trening session and powerlfting meets of elite powerlifters like Jessica Buettner and Amanda Lawrence and they both have in grinder reps good morining form, also their knees cave in. So in another words they dont have good form but they are still at elite lvl. I will never be at elite lvl (just imagine if I can be one day) but will I ever get there with perfect form or with my anomaly movment pattern?
Why don’t you think you’d get there? You have to put the work in but I think it’s a achievable. Knees caving in is usually weak abductors or adductors. Or both. I good morning but I think we need to realize when we’re lifting 90%-100% of our one rep max…form will breakdown and we’ll choose the path of least resistance.
So, I did exactly this, I did a good morning with my max for reps on my shoulders. It herniated a disc in my lower back. That was two months ago. I'm back in the gym and lifting again but my back is still sore on the regular. What do I do?
Did I read this wrong? You did a good morning with your max? Why?
Good morning are usually on your traps not shoulders, correct? How’s your back?
This is exactly the situation I found myself in. I'm coming back to lifting after a few years and i've always been strong and confident in my deadlifts. Thank you for all the information you've put out @empire_barbell
Couldn't this issue have been resolved for him by either lowering the bar on his back or a more upright shin position?
I have this issue. It's so frustrating. What specific mobility, stability and quad strengthening exercises do you recommend for people that aren't at the level of doing bb squats yet?
If you aren't to the level of barbell squatting yet, problems like this tend to be related to coordination rather than strength, and practice is the key. The best 'fix' in my opinion is very strict execution with as light a weight as you need, even if it's just body weight. Keep a very rigid technical ceiling; stop the second form breaks down. You can focus on tempo squats with body weight, focusing on slow descent, pause at the bottom, and slow on the way up. Once you can do 10 or so reps perfectly, move to a goblet squat. Once you can perform a few perfect sets of 10 with a 40lb weight, you should be ready to put a barbell on your back and squat to a box, following the same progression.
For those who are a little more advanced in the squat and suffer from this issue, any type of quad work or upright squatting accessory will help. Leg extensions, sled drags, leg presses with the feet close, etc. Strict front squats and overhead squats with an emphasis on staying perfectly upright are good as well.
Instructions unclear, shit my pants when I hit full depth.
Brilliant advice thanks 👍🏾
Hey man! I know Josh personally, and recall those posts. I've also worked with him on his squat issues and said a lot of the same things. Have you told him about this video?
I interacted with him a little over messenger, but I haven't been in touch with him recently. Hard to make a dent with issues like this remotely. He's an example of why it's harder to fix these issues later in a lifting career. Seeing the poundages drop in the name of reworking movement patterns is a hard pill to swallow.
@@AlexanderBromleyI know exactly what you mean. That said, I spoke to him just last night, actually. His squat went up to 505, and more importantly was notably more crisp. Well done, man. This whole time I thought it was the advice I gave him lol.
In defense of my ego, we apparently told him much of the same stuff ;)
Thanks so much bro! This was so fuckin helpful
Realised that this is exactly how i squat, and "my squat" is stronger that my deadlift...... Guess my deadlift strength is what made my "squat" stronger :P
Time to fix this then i guess.
I see a lot of funky 'squaters' on the internet. I think very few actually can do it properly and I'm one of them. I bought a safety squat bar and I find it so much easier and a lot more of a natural movement with my hands out front rather than the traditional way of doing them.
So you are saying you are one of the few who can do them right but you had to buy a safety bar?
I deadlift 80 pounds less than I squat, yet I still have this issue
So basically im a bish, lower the weight, focus on form, using quad, not back to lift weight. Got it. I'll be back after I stop ego lifting.
low bar leaning is fine..Just 🚫Say 🚫No to Stripper Squats
I’m guessing Clarence Kennedy has sort of a good morning squat.
Not at all. Clarence's knees don't shoot back. His squat is heavily quad-focused, really the opposite of a good morning squat. His change in torso angle when he comes out of the hole is just for balance, and normal and necessary when you're squatting as deep as he is.
@@zyphos9444 .... I’m looking strictly at Kennedy driving his hip up faster than everything else. I tried to find any ‘light’ weight Kennedy squat and didn’t come across any. Maybe you can link one just so we both can see his form on light vs heavy weight. Aren’t olympic lifter more upright coming out of the hoke than Kennedy? I think it has more to do with "strength limit" at the point when one’s torso starts dipping. If Kennedy squats his warmup weights of 135lb, 225lb, 315lb I think he would be more upright. I think he stats ‘good mornings’ it at a certain weight.
@@strawberryyogurt0 The mechanics of a squat with that depth mean that you'll always have to lean forward a little coming out of the hole. You'll be more upright at the bottom of a high bar ATG squat than say, just above parallel. You can see this to some extent with Toshiki Yamamoto and Dmitry Klokov, to think of two examples off the top of my head. It's less pronounced for them because they both have shorter femurs than Clarence. Also it's very unlikely for an Olympic Weightlifter to have a good morning squat, because they have an extreme surplus of quad strength (often to the point where they are stronger squatting high bar than low bar), so it's not a stronger position for them. It's not that he's driving his hips up first, but rather that *he has to* incline his torso to keep the bar over midfoot.
@@zyphos9444 ..... I’ll run a search on those two squatters when I get a chance. Even with a completely empty unloaded barbell, I’m sure all three squatters can squat up without having their hips rise first. Again, all I’m saying there’s a "tipping" point when weight is heavier than one’s strength. My own quads are a weak point, and I know that when the weights gets too heavy for me (even 1 lb over), I will good morning or shoot my hips up first because my hips/back side takes over). If my quads has the ‘strength’, I’ll be able to squat up from atg position without leaning my torso over.