Micro-ATX Madness! Early 2000's systems teardown and test!
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
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Time to check out these little guys: Micro-ATX systems! An HP Brio and a custom-built system with a relic of a motherboard.
0:00 Intro
0:12 System 1 Tour
2:39 S1 Disassembly and inspection
5:55 S1 Refresh and lookey
8:04 S1 Drive stuff
10:00 S1 Testing
13:17 S1 Cleanup and verdict
14:16 System 2 Tour
15:16 S2 Disassembly and inspection
19:54 S2 Quick Mobo tweak
22:01 S2 Drive stuff
23:46 S2 Testing
34:49 S2 Cleanup and verdict
35:34 Outro
a Pentium 3 slot these never cease to amaze me that we had CPU's in slot format
Slot 1 boards! Slot loading drives! Not so glorious CD drives! Sweet & crunchy hard drives!
Nice to see you back Mike, for now at least!
Such a pleasure to view a new Mike video.
Really, since Mike came to our screens he makes so many other "expert" retro vloggers seem like bumbling amateurs: no sooner than they get their hands on an old system, then they muck around with adding/replacing with new anachronistic hardware - to "improve" things, you understand. They have neither the patience or inclination (or competence in some cases) to make old things work as they were meant to. Mike just goes right at it with quiet competence, knowledge and skill. (Er, and a quirky sense of humour.) Mean guy with a soldering iron too...
Kudos, Mike! 😄
If you wanna binge watch another channel that goes full Rick Astley on electronics (aka never gives up on them), I highly recommend GadgetUK164. That dude has saved and repaired some of the most far-gone stuff imaginable, things usually written off as scrap or parts boards. He doesn't believe in that, he's like a doctor doing everything they can to get them alive. I bet Mike probably knows exactly what I mean, Gadget is one of the OG RUclips electronics repair channels.
One of the first 52x drives I had come into my shop was in a machine a customer brought in and wanted their brand new hp printer installed and the drive spun up and the CD exploded out of the drive. There were pieces about 30 feet away on the other side of the store. Surprisingly I wasn’t hit by any shards as I was standing directly in front of it talking to the customer.
The famous 52x disc shredder 😂 Those bastards were really mean to old CDs that had spent too much time drying under some form of heat of powerful lighting 😂
These and the 56x ones, you were playing with fire each time you put one of your games discs in back then.
I love running to the comments to see all the thirsty comments LOL because I too, am thirsty.... however I love watching this stuff as I love to tinker with all type of computers.
Glad to see you back, Mike! Your endearing personality and form fitted shirts brighten my day! 😃😃😃
Especially the Form fitted shirts :P
@@westtell4 hehehe
@@westtell4 I find the personality just as attractive as the attire. If only I could find someone like Mike near me who actually didn’t run away…
@@sjgrall right same
I'm so glad the motherboard tray is removable.
100% kick-ass product!
Rodney Reynolds AKA 3DGameMan heh. Classic.
Have you ever had someone message you saying hey thats my computer. Just wondering. Love the show.
Thanks
Glad to see you back in your first video of 2024. A couple of neat little systems there. You should pick up something like an Ameritech phone line simulator, and test some modems, let the youngins hear some of those glorious modem sounds.
I was so excited when i saw that mike uploaded
I always hit the like button first, because Mike never makes a bad vid.
Everyone loves a Glorious Top!
Okay after tons of ongoing mental and physical health issues, I can finally catch up on MikeTech and other awesome channels and not be weeks behind! Hope I didn't miss anything too important lol.
Oh my god. I had a PC just like on the left! So nice to see it again after so many years
If you want to have the brittle plastic experience, give one of the mid-90s Powermac cases a try (PM 7500 for example). You give it so much as a stern look and it'll crack and turn into dust 😂
That's that ole pasta plastic as I call it. The SNES is full of it.
I’ve got a HP Brio at: 15:45 which was Manufactured on the 25th of January 2000, 2 days after yours! 😂 Mine has a PCI Card with 2 x extra Serial Ports as my Father was a Ham Radio Operator & believe that’s what he needed them for and it was passed to me after he passed away! 🇬🇧
Love the smiley face on the first system. I like the way it came apart. Yes I like that system. The second system was cool too. I do miss all the older computer sounds at start up or when it was loading something. We used to say it was thinking. My laptop is silent and boring lol. Your sense of humor is sharp as always and it makes my day. Welcome back! So nice to see you uploading videos again. I’ve missed your videos. I know it’s been a crazy time here the last few weeks.
I hope I'm not the only one who would totally watch a play through of Minnesota Cuke
I love your channel. alwasy happy to see a new video.
It's always a good day when Mike uploads a new video
the first case has a lot of nice almost modern features, like the hotswapable hard drives, the dual cpu support, somewhat of a proper powersupply shroud, removable motherboard tray, and that yellow motherboard is just really pretty
Wow, that slot loading drive is a bit of a rarity. Most slot loaders from that era didn't support the mini discs. You might get them to take the disc in, but getting it out was another story. Good find there.
Bellsouth was acquired in 2006 by AT&T
Yay you are back :)
Man do you bring back memories. No all good, but then I go back to twin-floppy systems with no hard drives. By comparison, what we've got now is nothing short of fantastic.
It used to be so loud in the vicinity of my computer... the fans always on, the hdd always grinding over something or other. I was actually glad I got my desktop replacement, and later had its hdd replaced with an ssd.
It's like a freaking library in here now. : )
man that first system has it all. cool removable hdd tray, socket/slot combo, removable mb tray, pci and isa (i think?) slot, unique connection for the dial up modem and nic, and an sfx psu. only thing it needs is a cool graphics card. normally i absolutely hate proprietary parts like those network cards, but theyre just so cool to me in this case.
Bluetooth floppy drive lol
IPA dissolves Smurfs, who knew?
@@totenliste all this on the world's first PC, running Windows 98.
Mate we missed you. Great to see your back:)
Oh boy a full PC-Chits down to the PSU :)
good to see you back mate my weekends havent been the same without ur vids!
God i love this channel its so intresting
I say it every time. Love the humour! To use Aussie vernacular... good onya mate! In my past Govt work we were Dell-erious and didn't use High Price other than their workhorse printers for many years.
good to see a new video, one of them computers is gonna turn 24 years old in 3 days
love waking up in the morning getting my coffee and relaxing to your videos, thank you for the fine content as always 👍
damn, now that was the cleanest desoldering i've ever seen, especially the post-cleanup. I need to live up to that miketech standard going forward lol.
Good stuff, Mike, thanks for sharing your finds with us 👍
16:01 I always loved how HP made those support rails and internal case frames razor sharp so as you were removing components there was always a little blood letting inside the case. I am pretty sure HP had shares in Band-Aid.
17:17 We called that creep, the cards would creep out of the sockets and have to be re-seated. It was due to heat and cooling cycles more than impact.
30:17 Corrupt HDD or virus not letting you explore the file system. The weird volume name for C:\ has me thinking virus.
Now look I'm serious here. Are you sure the cards weren't trying to escape?
@@keithbrown7685 I am absolutely
sure they were trying to escape, they were trying to "creep" away, but with no legs it was futile.
i watched all your vids, glad you made another one. great channel.
Great video really enjoyed. Thank you
Every video you make is so great, always a good watch
Awesome video as always! ❤ Thanks for continuing your journey through these old systems, I really enjoy watching!
Happy New year and Welcome back, nice to see you again!
That PC100 power supply and the motherboard in the first computer suggest me that it was a prebuilt PCChips platform; as with most PCChips Socket 370 motherboards of that vintage, it only supports Mendocino Celerons due to it featuring the original Socket 370, which is incompatible with lower-voltage Pentium IIIs.
The slot next to it was likely to provide Coppermine support.
Really like your videos. A walk down memory lane for me.
13:45 Poor Smurf :( Great video, thank you !
2:05 I am on the hunt for that exact I/O shield! Great video as always, Mike.
19:54 I had no idea Buick made PC cases. So cool.
I missed you! Your humor and knowledge are still so much fun to watch. And TIL the word and definition of contrivance. 🧑🎓
Mate, I just stumbled upon your channel but glad I did. Excited to watch some of your old stuff and see what’s to come!
That slot loading drive is from Compaq Deskpro 2000/4000 series. It is miracle it still works, the CD in/out is driven by a big flat belt that rolls the disk.
I remember seeing modems doing this on a regular basis just from picking up the case and moving the computer. I worked with a company in the days of Win NT4.0 and the computer cases then though they were heavy were not always built the best. What I'm saying is the system case being torqued or moved could cause the cards in the PCI slots to creep out of socket even when they were screwed in the back. The company I worked for had all the IT Techs practice removing the case and reinserting cards because of what you showed in this video with the modem.
Those connectors (especially for the modem) survived for quite a while. They were called "risers". Back in the day - at least in Poland - it was pretty much impossible to get a board with the complete set of accessories, so you usually just purchased an actual PCI modem. I've seen a modem riser _once_ in my life, and that was a decade later in a shop that sold "ancient" PC hardware to enthusiasts. :D
Yay! My boo is back! HP Brio systems were some that I really wanted. They seemed to be well built, but by 2000 I was already building my own systems. Good video as always, Mike!
Happy New Year! Mike!…Was pondering the other day when your next upload will be out. Do miss these. Nice to know that Pioneer were not the only manufacturer to make slot loading CD drives 👍🏻 Cheers 🍻
@MikeTech
Hey hey! Welcome back man!
Ayyyyyyy Mike is back! You're always one of the highlights of the week, makes me soooooo want to have local people drop of their old unwanted devices so I could do videos and exploration on it. Unfortunately I have neither the space nor money to do that. But you're always a hero in my book Mike, you bought two huge e-waste lots and kept them from going to the landfill. Extremely commendable for both the retro tech hobby and the environment, thank you!
love these cases, my goodness!
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I have two very similar HDD caddies in a system I acquired a few years ago, never thought I'd see something quite like them out in the wild!
i love your videos sooo much
Great videos! Been enjoying them for a long time. I remember a lot of these and similar systems from various jobs. I've been in this for a long time! Your Brio teardown reminds me of the HP Kayak machines. See if you can find one of those. Also, HP made some big (on wheels) Pentium Pro based servers for Windows NT back in the day. See if you can track down one of those. And I remember working on some Digital Equipment Corp "HX" server series. Would love to see you pick up some e-waste servers in the future. Cheers!
the case of the first system looks funny
For more brittle plastic, may I suggest Apple 1994-1997
I'm going to agree, those computer systems are adorable.
I discovered this channel recentlyy, and it quickly became a favorite of mine. This subject matter is dear to my heart, as I have several old PC's which are all still working. I have also noticed and highly approve of the old school Logitech Trackman trackball, as it is my favorite controller. I first got one to play the original Doom, as I just couldn't handle the normal keyboard and mouse combo, and an analog joystick was too slow. The Trackman was perfect for me, and I used it for many years all the way through my Core 2 Duo WinXP system. After it was discontinued and when eBay became a thing, I bought as many of the Trackmans as I could find so I would have one for all my systems and with a spare or two. I've finally upgraded to the wireless Ergo M575 version for my laptop and current desktop system, a Ryzen 5 5600 that I built myself., but those original Trackmans are still with the other systems.
The Logitech Trackman is really great for this environment. The bench can get pretty crowded so it’s nice to not have to swipe a regular mouse around.
@@miketech1024 And that's one of the big reasons I love it--I've never had enough space for a large mouse pad, and I just can't stand having to constantly pickup a mouse and move back to the middle. And for me it was far easier to move the ball with my thumb than a mouse; always been puzzled why this kind of trackball never displaced the mouse as the cursor controller.
Oh, my other PCs:
a 486DX4/120 (just converted from a Baby AT desktop case to a mid-tower)
a Pentium 233 with 3dFx Voodoo 1 (recently converted from a Baby AT mid-tower to an ATX mid-tower)
an Athlon Thunderbird 900 with dual-boot DOS 6.22 and Win 98 and a Voodoo 2 in an ATX mid-tower
2 Core 2 Duo WinXP pro ATX midtowers; one was a custom build from my favorite local computer shop and was my main PC for some years, and the other was a Dell Optiplex I got a couple of years ago from eBay to replace the other one when, after years in storage, didn't turn when I tried it. Turned out it just needed a new PSU, so now I have both working.
Best regards, Mike!
I learned a lot from you and I'm not afraid of assembling computers.👍 My son brought me three computers. I have two. Quite new from 2016, I put it together and replaced it. Four are functional, but two need a mouse with a PS2 connector. I ordered it and I will have it tomorrow. And I will start testing. To the next ! 🤭🤗 Pozdrawiam Cię Mike ! Mój syn przywiózł do mnie trzy komputery . Ja miam dwa. Dość nowe z 2016 roku , poskładałem powymieniałem . Cztery są sprawne , ale dwa potrzebują myszki ze złączem PS2 . Zamówiłem i jutro ją będę miał. I rozpocznę testy .👍👋🤝
perfect video for lazing away on a saturday!
Thanks for the video! That hard drive caddy was pretty neat. Have to be honest, I didn’t have faith on that mini cd. I thought that drive would keep it for sure!
My high school had a typing lab full of thoes HP Brios with windows 98 and Fool Proof.. They upgraded between my sophomore and junior years and some got sent to the welding and cnc labs took a class my senior year where we took apart and build them.
My friend had the same generic case when I was in high school in South Africa. With the hdd caddy. Same specs too.
We had these removable drives on every lab pc in school/uni, so we were constantly carrying around our disks with our custom installs. Since most lab pcs were identical, windows did not freak out constantly.
Nice video! There was a daye sramp in that beittle cd tray, btw 😉
That was very entertaining. Slightly hoping you will publish a website with that software 😉
Glad to see my youtube algorithm understands me well enough to recommend a tech guy that I've never watched or even heard of before because he's wearing such a tight tee shirt.
I would higly appreciate you making a video on crts specially because many retro gaming pcs look off without a crt, Anyways great video as always!
I do need some CRT repair therapy.
BellSouth sort of still exists....their wireless became Cingular who merged with Southwest Bell...who owned the trademark to one of the most historic trademarks that they rebranded the merged companies into...
AT&T. The wireline divisions all came under that AT&T umbrella and we actually sold dialup well into the end of the 2000s and early 2010s. There were some customers in rural parts of the southeast US that simply didn't get archaic 1.5 or 768K DSL. It sounds crazy but in 2024 there are a few households that can only get that 768K DSL from us at AT&T. How lovely.
The first mainboard was a PCChips M741LMRT. A highly integrated piece of junk. Also available as M748LMRT (AT version).
Very nice 💯🙂😊
Glad to see you back again! Love the style of the first system! Also that game on the second machine is a VeggieTales game which is based on the Christian cartoon of the same name. I watched VeggieTales a lot but strangely never played any of the games back then. It was hilarious to see that in the second system though😆😆
I’d love that HP BRIO.
"Built like a tank it is" *flexes muscles* 😛
I love the sounds of that hard drive!!!! Nice and crunchy! The one problem with SSDs is that they are far too quiet!
Now wait. Couldn't there be a sound file that plays, every time the ssd is doing something? It could be a long piece of audio, for authentic crunchiness I mean. One needn't hear the same sound over and over, but something more believable.
@@keithbrown7685 It should exist! Perhaps I should make one and sell it! I know that there is a module that you can plug into a Molex plug inside your computer and it will make hard drive sounds but I think it is a constant loop of low fidelity clicks that loop. Not nearly the same thing, as you said.
That first one is really neat; my grandfather had a different revision of that case when I was a kid (I still have the case, not the internals though). Interestingly enough, I'm pretty sure he had the exact same motherboard. It's been a while though so I can't be sure, but I do remember it being gold and having dual CPU slots, minimal card expansion, and unmarked front panel headers. His case also had the SFX supply mounded in the center, not offset; and provisions for a half height 5 1/4 HDD above the top optical drive.
Interestingly enough, a full size ATX power supply will juuuuust about fit. It would render the front 5 1/4 drive bays almost unusable though. I cut a 120mm fan hole in the front of the case, and a 80mm hole on the back; now it has reasonable airflow. I plan on putting my next PC build in it!
Man, I had a P2 350Mhz with an ECS/PCChips mobo like the one on the first PC. I hated the approach of having everything on-board. We used to say that those mobos had a motto: "united, we'll blow up" hahaha
That PC100 sticker on the power supply just shocked me back to 1998
Congrats on finding the first computer ever made, running Windows 98. Makes you wonder what those other operatings systems were for then. Clearly just one massive experiment.
Love how you almost infringed on the RAM trademark in system 1 lol.
Bell South still exists, but it ironically became a subsidiary of AT&T. I'm pretty sure the emails are basically just MSN emails nowadays.
System 2's hard drive sounds fabulous, so damn crunchy. It's a sound that'd be worrying for a modern mechanical drive but totally normal for drives of that vintage.
You got so lucky with that PIII 550. Was terrified that I was going to rip the slot off my PCPartner VIB862D, as the Celeron 333 had never been removed since it was installed 20th April 1999 and felt very permanent.
Though the fact that it never went into e-waste early on is amazing as the aftermarket cooler on it didn't have the plastic removed from the heatsink. Resulting in it constantly overheating and the OG thermal compound having barely touched the CPU around the edge of the plastic. Lack of use due to the CPU overheating would explain the small amount of dust and the yet-to-fail caps. One benefit to Slot CPU - being further removed from the board helps prevent the capacitor roasting my GA-7IXEH experienced.
Last used: boot up a knoppix (or other *nix BART) and use "find /path/to/hard/disk -type f -print0 | xargs -0 ls -lt | head"
Those dual slot 1/socket 370 motherboards are certainly interesting. I have one from the same manufacturer that is a baby AT form factor instead of mATX.
Definitely can't run 2 CPU's in S1's Motherboard !! I recognize it as a PC Chips M741LMR / M741LMRT . I tried 2 CPU's and blew up the poor little thing. I found them them to be a super versatile and great little motherboard, as far as what was available in the furthest flung parts of rural Australia in the late 90's, anyways. Thanks Mike - this is my favorite channel every =) And good to know I can dissolve Smurfs with IPA - I'll remember that next infestation.
yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
Nice
Funnily enough, modern slot-loading drives like those found in Apple SuperDrives and the like can NOT take 3 inch discs. The mechanism relies entirely on the shape of the disc to guide it in/out and as such only a full size 12cm disc works.
Old drives did- in fact, do it better!
There's a gotcha about those removable hard drive caddies. They came in two varieties, ones with a 40 wire IDE cable and ones with an 80 wire IDE cable. If you install a UDMA drive, like ATA-66, 100 or 133 into the older 40 wire caddy, the drive performance will be crippled to 33 MB/s, which is the maximum speed you can do on a 40 wire cable. There are later 80 wire variants of those caddies, but they're harder to come by.
I have to agree about HP hardware support. I never understood why they always required the part number. I just gave you the serial number. I dealt with them quite a bit and I don’t miss it one bit.
Just off topic a little, Dell's support number was like a walk into something that was part Hell, part madhouse.
Always they'd send me over to tech support overseas, where the accents ran thick as molasses. One time, I lucked out and got dropped into a tech support hub in Texas. The dude was speaking English, and I almost started begging, please don't send me to one of those sweatshops overseas. But he had no choice, and I was sent back to the wacky world of Indian guys with names like "Edward". How likely is that? Encounters like that, could make the hold music sound sweet and heavenly.
And all I wanted were some ****ing recovery disks. You think I got them? If you said no, you'd be so very right.
It's cool that the slot load drive took mini cds... I remember my 2006 Macbook slot loader would absolutely refuse to take them, sadly.
Hi Mike,glad to see ya' again!!
Is it possible for you to get us som "custom" pc,not that oem stuff???
Back in the day when I worked at a computer store we used a lot of the motherboard in the first system and started regretting it as every single one of them came back and had to be replaced. Our supplier talked us into using them since they sometimes had great deals on slot 1 CPUs and it was a super cheap board.
I had that same main board, the first PC I had with USB and it was running an old Slot 1 Pentium 2 266Mhz
You're correct in thinking it won't run both CPUs simultaneously
Used Seagate 13.5 gb drive like this for some time. It was very loud and hot.
First one is definitely an interesting transition machine. I remember around this time that weird modem/sound card slot appeared, do you remember it? it looked a little like a PCI-E 1x slot but was for these highly integrated machines and I think most of the actual processing was done on the motherboard.
Yes! System 1 of this video had such a card for sound: ruclips.net/video/2e28MVL7kPk/видео.html
@@miketech1024 Ah yeah that was it! thanks