It took me TWO YEARS to set up this server!
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- Опубликовано: 16 апр 2024
- This is an awesome server that I got my hands on- the HP ProLiant dl380p Gen8. With a whopping 96gb of ram and 40 cores, I'm going to be putting it to good use. But there were tons of hurdles, of course.
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LINKS
HBA mode guide - forums.unraid.net/topic/91922...
HBA card I used - www.google.com/search?q=hp+p420i
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MUSIC
Chops - chernebeats.com
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HASHTAGS
#hp #servers #homelab
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You got those 8 extra cables eh? Sounds like you need more servers... Can't have those cables go to waste.
You have a point
LOL thats how it goes
So glad to see the younger generation appreciate technology.
For the ILO it is a really old version this is why it's not working on modern version. It doesn't have the modern SSL versions. Also i strongly recommand you to update to prevent frying the nand flash for the smart recovery since by experience with the ilo 4, old firmware had a flaw and writting to much to the nand unitil it's dead. The latest version is 2.82 and can be found on the HPE website.
Good to know
The later builds of ILO4 patched the problem with SSL and it works fine on modern browsers without issue. ILO3 and older though is a real pain to deal with but if anyone is running that generation still it's pretty much e-waste. I had a couple Gen8s in production, but they eventually failed because of a board problem(power related).
@@liblevi45s53 Yep i forgot to mention it thanks
just wait til you get in the world of proxmox.. my guy EBAY!! is a homelabber best friend
😂 I should've got more from eBay... And yeah would love to try proxmox
I’m so glad my server isn’t loud. It’s not quiet but a simple interior door with a foam strip at the bottom makes it almost silent
4:57 You could Consider Industry purposed SD Cards. 5:15 SAS chipsets are SAT compatible (but not vice versa)
And to answer the question in the Thumbnail yes totaly worth it
My first server was a Dell R610 when I was 18. Glad to see you jumping into enterprise systems, they can be a lot of fun!
As others have said upgrade the iLO to the latest version and it will work a lot better.
Can't wait to see more. :-)
That server looks so sick! Thanks for sharing!
In a data center, typically we provide an A and B power supply. PS1 will go to A and PS2 will go to B. That way if the data center loses power on one feed, the secondary B will take the load.
That's actually so cool! Keep it up, dude!
I can feel your pain
I have home servers too and it's not easy.
But well, with effort you always make it!
Congratulations and good luck in your project!
Thank you!
The swapout of an optical drive for an ssd is my favorite hack. Genuinely the least janky solution to add storage to any machine that you can do it with. I launch my old ass Lenovo laptop off an ssd using one
It’s actually super useful for reviving old hardware
@@SimonVideo By the way, there is an adapter which is a piece of plastic which makes 2.5" disk into 3.5", you just use that, the 3.5" caddy, and plug the SSD in the front backplane just like the 3.5" HDDs
Cool vid. My first Server also was a HP DL380p Gen8. I was running Proxmox on it. But now I got away from using Enterprise Hardware because of the noise and power usage. I just upgraded from using 8*4TB Sata Drives to 4*12TB. Have fun with this and try to learn as much as you can. It will help you with your career in the future
Im reluctant to get rid of my HP even though for the wattage it coumes its pritty much useless. Iv gutted it currenly might try install an atx board in it
Awesome video! I just wanted to drop by and say that on edge, you can enable Internet explorer mode, which might help for your management port. I have to use this feature for work. Hope this helps!
You can update iLO through the built in firmware I believe, I have version 2.77 (if i remember right) and while the UI is much different than what you show, the latest version of firefox has no issue with it.
Yo I have the same sever, nice to see someone else use them
Preach servers are cool. My first server was a HP proliant DL360 G5 , great for a while but now using rackmout 2U cases :)
For my 5th and 8th gen dl380s, I had the same problem with the p410 cards. My solution was to define a raid0 volume for each physical drive. Not the best idea long term but it got the job done
Great video! nice job!
Thanks!
dude that looks like so much work but so cool
Sick man. nice vid
Update the ILO firmware for it to work in a new browser and if you want there are some ILO fan mods out there so you can slow down your fans a bit
The only iLO fan control mod I've seen is one that requires me to downgrade even more.. are you aware of any for the newer versions?
1:04 reminds me of the meme 'how to make a server really unhappy'
That server was my first one ! Now i have a Dell PowerEdge R730 sitting in a datacenter right now, server world is awesome.
Ohhh man that's awesome
Not sure if you'd be interested or not, I recently upgraded from a DL380p gen8 (256gb ram, dual 2690s, 4x 1tb ssds, etc) to a newer gen10. I used this thing all throughout school and would love for it to go to a good home where it will be used. I respect anyone starting out building their own home labs and if I can help inspire others, Id be happy to give it away. Let me know!
Bro this sounds so fun, if you have anything spare to share I'd be happy to take it since I'm also in the same scenario wanting to get into this!
you inspired me to go down to my basement and switch on my old G8, thanks allot😃
I have 2 Servers and one is having issues with installing Windows. I have a rack one that is working on windows and its works well. If you have any ideas let me know.
How hard would it be to get a 3090TI or a 4090 in an HP or a Dell?
I have a server with a 3090TI build but it’s just a desktop build. I want to make it a proper server cause demand has drastically increased.
You think it’s not possible to squeeze one in there to act as a proper ML rig?
You could probably physically put it in there but there aren't any six/eight pin power cables. I think that would be the main issue.
ohh, and the fact you can not connect to the HPE Integrated Lights-Out (iLO) port thought a modern browser. I solved that by doing the HP full update which updates the bios, Lights-Out (iLO), and HBA if you have on. If you want, I can make a video about the process. It would be great to collab
Update iLO and BIOS to latest and you'll get a more modern UI that works better in modern environments.
Performance should be controlled by the hypervisor.
Good luck and have fun! :D
The loud fans is the most annoying thing about enterprise hardware. I worked in a serveroom a couple of weeks ago and it was HOT (no cooling in the room) and with two rows of 8 42U racks (80% filled), that room was loud. Really not a great server room to work in, no place to sit down, not table for equipment and not even a ladder to remove heavy equipment like the dl380 (we had to remove one of them).
Wow that sounds like fun 😂
its a little strange you got to use windows 7, did you try the dedicated IE mode in edge?
Yeah it stopped working a few months ago
one thing i did to get around the seperate boot drive problem was to run proxmox with two virtual hard drives. one with only 30 gigabytes for my boot disk and the other with 400 gigabytes since I had a 500 gb drive
Smart
man i want to start a homelab too but i have no idea where to start 😭i had this old computer in my tech classroom that my teacher let me run truenas core on it until some policy change happened at my school where they took away all the tower pcs (including that computer with truenas)
Nooooo!
what was your main os installed where you created virtual machines?
On the 2.5" sad but the vm files were on the hard drives
i have the exact same raid card and HBA mode passes all 8 hard drives, only problem is you cant boot from these in HBA mode
I'm using the latest Chrome to use my DL380 Gen 8 ILO without issues on both Mac and PC... You have to make sure you update the SSL cert in ILO so browsers don't get mad. Also an ILO firmware update would help I guess.
Yeah I need to update it
@@SimonVideo I have an on-board 420i controller (ie not in a PCIe slot) set to HBA mode (no jenky reflash, just out-of-the-box HBA mode) and it works perfectly with my bare metal TrueNAS Scale installation. Even drive leds work, SMART reports, etc. If you need help with the update files, my HPE support contract still lasts a few weeks, I can download stuff
That fans sound like an RC airplane
Refurb is fine. If you buy the proper drives. You bought standard consumer grade drives. It's best to buy enterprise class drives. In general these will be helium filled drives and likely will live for a LONG time.
Also, NEVER buy Seagate for data storage. They are well known in the IT industry to be unreliable. They always have a very high rate of failure. With generally ~4% or more dying in the first year or two. Backblaze actually publishes their drive data on their blog. HGST and WD tend to have very low failure rates. I'd only trust Seagate in an array that can tolerate multiple failures(3+) AND that you always keep a drive or two on hand as rebuilding an array takes time. You don't want to lose data because your array was rebuilding and another drive fails before the array is rebuilt. Never run an array with zero failure tolerance if data stored is critical.
Yeah, the backblaze data was actually what got me to switch to WD.
Nice
I got a HP proliant microserver Gen8 running truenas scale 4 hard drive in raid 5 the I placed the ssd boot drive just lose in the top were the dvd should live.Changed the cpu for a Intel i5-3470T CPU @ 2.90GHz 2 core 4 threads so not fast but got enough for me.
Nice!
For using hypervisors it's way better to use os control mode for your power management so you have a more predictable performance in your VMs, as the host hypervisor is the one controlling the performance.
You really interested me Simon, I wish I could get into this but money 😂😢
That's fair. It's been a lot of saving for a while
you don't need to flash it into IT mode. Not sure which on board raid card you have but there is an option to disable hardware raid in the BIOS. btw update both ilo4 and bios.
Nice video, what about power consumption?
~120 watts on average 😬
I actually used to have a HP ProLiant DL380 G6, about a year and a half later I got 2 Cisco UCS C240 M3 Servers and those things are absolute workhorses I think. Personally I think Cisco is better. I have just about Cisco everything except the modem. Also got a Vertiv Liebert GXT4-2000RT120. But however I would like to get my stuff powered off of 240 volt instead of 120 volt.
That's awesome!
reason for the "unknown" on the NIC (network controller interface) is because there is nothing plugged in
I had two ports plugged in 🤷♂️
should take a look at proxmox hypervisor
I like repurposed tech, I have a bunch of servers at work, about to be repurposed for an multi-site enterprise storage and backup utilizing Truenas
Nice!
You should get some noctua fans to take care of that fan noise.
Ohhhh that would be so cool
From experience and using many dell poweredge servers, you want to configure a Raid array with all those drives from a hardware level. Meaning the issues you were having trying to implement ZFS and not finding any drives it is because those drives were never initialized inside of the raid controller settings.
Keyword "Initialized"
I'm running a raspberry pi but this is a whole other level of home server 😭
bought a DL360 G8, lovely thing. until my cat vomited right on the ILO chip. RIP v1. got payout on home insurance and bought another one. been my closet server gw for over a year now.
That's so sad 😭 glad you got a new one
Fyi, you can plug the SATA drive into a SAS backplane.
My bad. Didn't make it far enough into the video LOL
hey i have the same server! just to say you shouldnt use the thumb drive, BUT you can use a USB M.2 Adapter with a M.2 SSD on it, that is what i am doing for the boot drive.
That's true!
I want to buy the exact model to replace my DL380 G6
Me too i am also growing up with servers all around me 0:33
I have my home server running on Segate Sata drives actually. I've been using Segate drives for years and I never had a single problem with them. Toshiba and WD on the other hand.. I guess their quality is worse in Europe than in US because they die without reason.
Interesting!
5:00 You shouldn't worry about not having SATA ports on your server. You can plug SATA drives on SAS ports and backplanes. SATA is a subset of SAS. The only thing you can't do is plug SAS drives into a SATA backplane.
8:06 Seagate NAS and Enterprise (Exos Line) drives are as good as any other similar drive out there. Plus, Seagate purchased Western Digital in 2014, so technically your better WD drives are Seagate drives and vice-versa
Good to know, thank you!
Seagate did not purchase Western Digital, I don't know where you found that
@@thomasdouwes Might be thinking about WD buying SanDisk.
AWS?
I was thinking of getting an HP Proliant, but ended up buying a quantagrid instead and i love it
I don't have much storage nor RAM, but it is a pretty decent machine
10:30 you should really update that firmware on the ilo, it looks like ilo 3
"Looks like iLO 3"... it literally says iLO 4 :P
@@Col_Crunch it is the ilo4 but the graphics is from the ilo3 it's really old firmware on that server
Bruh just use EDGE in IE:Compatibility mode and then add an exception for the iLo IP on the safety tab do the same for JAVA if it uses.
Also other people have said it and you can update it on HPE as well...
Yeah I get the impression I should update 😂
I used the IE compatibility for a while but that stopped working at some point too
Try installing ESXi and passing all stuff needed to TrueNAS VM
I could do that but I was just using truenas as a hypervisor too.. what would be the benefit to using esxi?
@@SimonVideo Scalability is the best benefit also this will allow you to learn enterprise grade virtualization and you will get a taste of lvl 1 hypervisor I think TrueNAS is a lvl 2 hypervisor because you have os between physical hardware that may impact performance in couple scenarios
@@SimonVideo about scalability, I have 3 server connected together so if something critical breaks on one of the servers ALL vms from this host are moved to other servers in cluster using vMotion. vMotion duplicates and syncs vms so they can be switched without downtime to other server
I can show you my config on Discord some day if you want
Broadcom killed off the ESXi free license... no point in installing ESXi for homelab use anymore
1:09 we are clear to take off on runway 12
😂
Im into this type of stuff
Man, when you have predicted failure on a raid 0 😰
Is it possible to boot into a sas drive using a sas pcie card?
my mbo have no sas controler
I think that would work
@@SimonVideo hope u may try in the futur on a mbo that doesnt have a built in sas controller
wait till my bro finds out that he did not need to buy the hba card and new cables becuase there is a ahci sata/sas controller builtin to the board that is not the raid card. you would have had to switch modes in the rbsu in order to trun the raid card off and go in to hba mode
It's limited to two drives in hba mode
@@SimonVideo Are you absoloutely sure i guarentee you it is not i work with dl 380 gen 8's alot
proxmox?
Yeah I've looked into it a little. Might consider it in the future but I'm happy with truenas too
Please be careful when you use WD Red series (For Long Term Use) it has failed on me this why I use WD Ultrastar series or HGST this is what I recommend for you and sorry for the misinformation that I wrote before there was an scandal before about WD Red series, that's why I write this to you thanks for you're time.
All good thanks for the heads up
yeah, just an ad for Amazon.
The SD card slot is great. I run a lot of these in work, and we use ESXi as a hypervisor which runs great on an SD card. You can configure the logs to be persistently stored elsewhere which offloads write ops and massively extends the life of the card. Ive never seen an SD card fail. Not sure if this is something that can be done on TrueNAS though.
Oh that's awesome! Not sure if truenas does it either but still
the SD card was a handy when good flash was expensive, but now that ssd are cheap enough nobody should use them.
Now, most OS warn you about SD card use, or completely forbid you from using them.
The best thing i have seen done with an SD card, was HP with a single usb stick containing two micro SD put together as a raid 1.
after sometime they would disappear from the host and if you did edit esxi configuration, nothing would save.
@itslhoste Agreed, this isn't standard practice anymore. Just thought it was a cool informational tidbit
so everyone has problems with seagate drives huh
At lease I have
Is there a possibility to contact you to get some tipps maybe?
But that is a great server
hp
T H X intro fans lol
all in all nice vid have a similar also with a raid controller and truenas i just put every drive in its own "raid" so they all show up in truenas without needing to buy a hba. i really like ur solution for mounting the boot ssd but i would advise you to also use redunent boot drives i have 2 250g hdds you can choose this option eather in the first install of truenas or in the drives tab (i know just hdds but truenas only acceses them for boot and writing logs so its fine)
You can put SmartArray in HBA mode
my desktop is just a server but im playing about with NVMe Hardware RAID arrays godda say its durpy but alot fo fun
also nice to see dban still in use I use KillDisk now as compaired to Dban its quite abit better but that being said Killdisk is more a pro use there is Blancco however sooooo exspensive. I used to be a data erasure spesalist i have worked on most servers and hardware from 1970 to now hell im happy to throw my hat in the ring if you get hooked on any starange issues :D really cool to see somone else playing with servers just geeting stuck in a learing this via trial and error
Sick system, im a little jealous, ngl. I wish i could get a big ol chonker like that, but i lack the space (and electricity isn't cheap where i live :/)
"Dual 10-core 20-thread xeons, for a total of 40 cores" - well, that doesn't add up^^
I mean on the user side there is incredibly little difference between logical and physical cores.
@@Col_Crunch My point was, that he obviously misspoke there, so I'm not sure, why you think this is relevant.
On the other hand, I beg to differ.
A physical core is a real thing that can do more work. 2 physical cores can do exactly 2x the work of one physical core (given the task can handle 2 cores).
An additional logical core (thread) cannot do any work, it's just a way to feed the single core you have it's instructions in a more optimal way. That can lead to performance improvements as high as ~80% or as low as ~20% depending on the workload.
So "on the user side" 2 physical cores might easily be 50% faster than one physical core with 2 threads. Not "incredibly little" imho.
I guess that was a little bit fudging the numbers.. I meant 40 logical cores
@@SimonVideo I guessed so.
You started by saying "10-core 20-thread xeons" - "core" as in physical core and "thread" as in logical core. So using the word "core" again in the same sentence while referring to "threads" doesn't add up - at least in my head.
No worries - just something I noticed, since it was more or less the first sentence in the video ;)
you love amazon way too much!
I know 😭
You look on ebay?
@@minecraft-wb9tbPretty sure.. I think I bought some replacement cables or something from there
ILO is outdated..
2:35 That’s the whole point. To be able to replace a faulty power supply without losing power. Surely you know this.
Linus is a bad example lol
skill issue
dl380p my beloved, i have 2 of these.
If you want a dl360e g8, i have no use for it