I accidentally dropped my new CPU, here's what happened to it...
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- Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2024
- It seems like my hands are made of butter because I've been dropping everything this week, including my new CPU. Here's what happened to it, and how I realised I could still (kind of) make it work.
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Put it in a frame on the wall with a sign saying "Clumsy Twat" underneath. Every time you look at it, the pain will return and you will never drop something again. Sorry for your loss though: it was a fine chip that.
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Ah yes
@@RandomGaminginHD i believe you can find out on the web pin labels for many processors, it might point to where the fault is. then you could have the fun adventure of viewing the pins under a scope and trying to fix or re-solder them
good ol' brit humour
@@FroggyTWrite Just put the pin in the correct hole in the socket. As long as the CPU makes contact, it'll close the circuit and everything will work.
At 6:47 the CPU looks like it's missing a pin near the corner arrow. According to the AM4 pinout diagram it's pin D1 which is P_GFX_TXP, it being one half of a PCI-E GFX transmit data differential pair might be why you're having trouble with PCI-E 4.0.
If you do have a missing pin you can try to stuff a piece of wire in the pin slot, as long as it contacts the pin's base and the socket contact it'll work, you just cut a piece that's a bit longer than needed and file it down to the right length. Getting the right diameter might be a PITA though, getting the wire out of the socket later might prove troublesome as well if it's wider than the original pin. You can also try taking it to a jeweler, having him solder a new pin on shouldn't be too expensive if he can do it, not all of them can though.
It looks normal to me.
You are absolutely correct, you can even see it better at the 6:50 mark since the tips of the two pins surrounding it show, but that pin has a hollow center indicating the missing pin.
youre right! it is! it looks like its a vss pin tho uwu
@@crimsonlion100 The reason it looks like the Vss is because the gold corner counts as two pins in the layout : )
Nah if you look at the amd cpu pin out they dont have a pin on that corner where the arrow is located.
LinusGaminginHD
Lmao
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saw that video just before this lol
RandomBentPinsinHD
LTT: New video just dropped
You're becoming one of my must watch Tech guys. I love the respect for the old stuff and the fact that you aren't full of yourself. This vid proves that much.
Thanks :)
3:55 it's not a board limitation. Unlike other AM4 CPUs, the ryzen 5800X3D and 5700X3D run on unsupported BIOSes, but they are locked to their respective base clock speed. You have to update the motherboard BIOS to fix that.
So if i put a 5700x3d on a mobo with q 2023 bios it will work?
@@FelipeOliveira-bj6mk yes.
@@FelipeOliveira-bj6mk Any bios which supports Vermeer cores will boot any Vermeer CPU, but if the model is unknown to the board, it will limit its boost.
@@TryboBike It's really disappointing in a sense because I bought the most beefiest,classiest, higher end board I could find only to discover that probably the actual best gaming CPU on it would be limited to lower boost clocks and can NOT be fiddled with, so a 5800X3D is only using 105w and therefore those beefy VRMs and 8pin+4pin EPS is useless. I can ram 300w through that socket easy and it'll only be useful on a used 5950x.
@@TryboBike well, I was afraid to upgrade my 5600g because I swap gpus all the time and sometimes have to reset my bios. If what you're saying is true I think I'll upgrade my cpu :)
I'm buying a new cpu and now I'm scared of accidentally dropping it
Be very careful don’t let this video put you off 😂
Go intel or AM5 😂
@@WTBMrGreyyou can still bend the motherboard pins, which is worse lol
you can bend back the pins, this is a 1 i a million situation, dont drop it and be gentle and all will be fine
@@zues121510 Shhhh, dont spoil the suprise 😂
Whenever I'm tired of Linus squeaking, I come to this fine British gentleman.
Not only the handsome voice, but the pacing and writing of this video is very refreshing to see on youtube.
Also, doggo tax has been paid.
@@oomiosi Amen to that. Sometimes when I'm in a stressful day and I see a new vid from RandomGaminginHD I immediately watch it and it has a calming effect on me.
@@oomiosi And don't forget the back garden b-roll!
Hi Linus.. sorry he's famous for dropping everything lol
Bad luck with dropping it though.
Kinda good it still works, sort of.
LDT
My Freezer II 280 AIO failed, so I took the system apart while my PC was on the desk, taking out the cooler. I opened the AM4 socket while holding the CPU, and still managed to drop my 5800X3D onto my GPU, bending a few corner pins. The CPU was also around 113°C hot before I realized the cooler had failed and I yanked the power cord out of the wall.
By some kind of miracle, the CPU still works flawlessly, but I feel like I survived like 3 heart attacks.
I still think that pins on the CPU are better the motherboard pins... those are insanely easy to completely destroy.
I agree with you. I had to "bend back" both and the CPU ones are much more easy to do. Also CPU ones can be touched by your fingers and will tolerate much more abuse than the MB ones, those can bend if you look at them wrong.
How tf did it get to 110°+?! Did you have thermal throttling disabled?
Yeah, but if you ace motherboard pins, the socket can be replaced. When you destroy CPU pins, it's done.
@@Trick-Framed Actually, you can replace CPU pins. There are videos of technicians doing it on YT.
@@magoid Yeah, I realize, but replacing a board socket is easier than replacing a pin 9/10 times, but you are correct. It can be done. Easily sometimes too. It really depends on the pin location, size and type.
Same CPU, was moving it from one motherboard to another and I dropped it. Damage was a few bent pins but what concerned me was the damage to the corners, including a couple of small chips and a dent. After working on it for a while I believed the pins to be straight, but was wrong. When I went to close the latch I noticed there was more resistance than usual but I forced it through. Never do this, it means at least one of the pins is bent enough that it's bending the motherboard socket clips that hold and contact with the pins. When I went to boot the PC I realized channels A1 and A2 didn't work, so no dual channel RAM. This led me to do more research and I learned that if the latch gives more resistance than normal after straightening pins that you should stop, remove the CPU, and continue straightening the pins. Someone suggested using a mechanical pencil 0.7 tip, supposedly the pin slots right in. If you already forced the hatch to close like me, look for a RUclips video on how to remove the socket cover, it's made of very fragile plastic but not too important if some pieces break off as long as it can be set back in place. If you mess up bad replacements are sold, but be patient and consider heating the plastic with a hairdryer to make it more malleable. Then you'll need a very sharp tool, good lighting, and if your eyesight is bad you might need a microscope with a display. I just used a sewing needle and set my phone to video mode with flash on and zoomed in. The same video I found for removing the socket cover (there aren't many, if you can't find it ask and I'll look for it again) explains how the motherboard clips work so you understand how to fix them. After going through all of this, I managed to put it back in like normal and it's been working perfectly this far since September.
CPU fault symptoms are rarely recorded on the internet. This one is for the books. Bookmarks that is. Great stuff! Also I'm betting the mystery CPU with that Biostar board is a 2200G or 2400G
@RandomGaminginHD in the golden arrow corner - bottom left at 6:50 pin is broken off. needs to be soldered by someone who knows micro soldering, pins are stuck to CPU pads with solder bumps, its not an end of the world. I think chip is fine.
that cornern pin that is so obv bent still.... 0:53
Yeah straightened them all out a bit more since and the issue persists :(
If It Fits, I Sits
@@RandomGaminginHD damn that's unfortunate. yeah I dropped a pin grid one once, was gonna help a friend install it too.. it went IHS down luckily. having done that I really dont like handling them at all. And I'm going for the 7800x3d soon but but it seems it doesnt come with pins. it seems to come with some kind of pads.
@@no1Liikeglenn Yes 7800x3d has pads, but you can kill motherboards socket by just touching or if CPU falls on it from 1 inch, MB has even more fragile pins.
at 0:46 you can see the problem, missing the 1D pin (which is a GPU PCIe slot pin, if you google AM4 pin diagram) 2nd pin above the triangle to the left at the bottom left of the chip.
it perfectly explains the issues seen in the Video, and hopefully it's a relatively easy fix if you're good at soldering
I did the same with my 5800X3D - luckily I managed to bend the pins back with a straight edge razor and then did the 'rocking in the socket trick' a few times.
I've had no problems with it since this.
Good to hear :)
Bent my 5800X3D when I removed it to motherboard swap and I didn't let it warm up before removing, so the cooler pulled it out along with itself, bending like 15 pins in the right corner of the chip. Took a sewing needle and prayed. It boosts to 4.5 ghz, runs cool, and I haven't encountered a crash yet. (Happened like a year ago)
@@RandomGaminginHD
I'm a AMD fanboy and have been for the last five years now but the AM4 chips were so prone to accidental damage it is unbelievable.
Still it's easier to attempt a fix on an AM4 CPU than it is on the newer socket pins - part of me is wondering if this was a deliberate choice from AMD to encourage more cost as accidental damage isn't covered by them.
Really thought this was going to be a cracked I/O die.
You can check an AM4 pin out diagram. Without doubt one of the bent pins is needing a resolder, replacement, or the pad is lifted.
Pin 1D is missing, a GPU PCIe Pin, above the triangle 2nd pin to the left.. I've already reported it and he has replied that he'll take a closer look and is aware of it. Hopefully it'll be an easy soldering fix
@BaroonValm There not a pin directly above the triangle to begin with. Maybe, you mean the other left? I can't see a missing pin there. I do work on these, but he'd have to hold it still.
@@drewnewby When Baroon says "above" he doesn't mean "on top of". Up in the X axis, vertically. The missing pin is visible at 0:06
@nathangamble125 We're not playing battleship here, and I'm going cross eyed looking for it. The pins are named, which one are you saying is missing? Again, there's not a pin in the keyed corner like the other three.
@@BaroonValm there is no pin missing stop guessing where they're supposed to be and just go look at a picture of one
I was just installing a Ryzen 7 1700. I needed something to listen to while I work. I got it free at my local repair shop.
It had 6 bent pins but runs great now.😅
At the 6:50 mark, the fourth pin, or second up from the gold corner is missing. It is the fourth pin in the cpu layout called P_GFX_TXP[0] This is the reason your not getting your 4.0 speeds. Take a staple and cut it to length and insert it into the board on that pin and if you get the length right, it should work for you. Either that or find someone that can solder a new pin on the chip for you.
He has been made aware of it :)
I reckon either a pin is only barely hanging on, or there's a break in some of the solder balls. You might be able to re-melt the solder by heating the cpu up nice and toasty. The pins might fall off though.
The pin isn't hanging on, it's visibly broken off. The broken pin is on the left edge of the CPU, 2 pins from the bottom, at 0:06.
@@nathangamble125 great spot buddy, can see it real clear bang on 0:10
@@nathangamble125 Spot on! I didn't see it while watching the video. That pin is plain ol gone. There's the problem.
@@nathangamble125 if you're talking about by the arrow there was never a pin there, I keep seeing this comment and I'm not seeing any missing pins anywhere. Seems like people are just assuming all the corners are the same and they're not
@@MrBeetsGaming There is a missing pin there, you have to look really really closely at 0.25 speed
It's because on 5k Ryzen + 450, the PCIe slot in 3.0 runs through the board chipset. In the 5k Ryzen + 550 setup, the top PCIe 16 slot @ 4.0 talks directly to the controller on the CPU. If you move the GPU to the 3.0 16x slot in the B550, it will likely work, too. You likely damaged the PCIe 4.0 controller on the CPU that the 3.0 via mobo chipset works around. Try the B550 board with GPU in bottom slot.
Ah I will do! Thanks
@@RandomGaminginHD Or just set Gen3 in the bios for the pciex16
@@RandomGaminginHD Installing AM4 cpu with almost! straight legs, means damage cpu socket. I replaced hundreds AM4 sockets because of that.
@@depralexcrimson it's stuck in 2.0 at the CPU level so forcing 3.0 on a B550 still runs it through the CPU lanes which appear to be what are damaged. It wouldn't fix it. Moving to the lower slot DOES run 3.0 through the chipset, though.
@pablopicasso6173 He tested on multiple boards, it's not the socket.
at 6:46 above the arrow you can see missing pin, i think that's the gfx pin, you can try to solder a new pin or take it somewhere where they could try to solder one, alternatively, you can put a piece of wire in the socket but make sure its bit out of the socket so the pressure is enough
I feel ya man. I was trying to clean a little thermal paste out of my Intel socket and wound up messing up a dozen pins in a $350 mobo. Had to buy another... Needless to say I am super careful now.
Lol, best to just leave the thermal paste. If it isn't causing an issue, and it usually doesn't, there is no reason to risk damaging the pins.
RandomGaminginHD submitting his application for LTT.
That's one thing I hate about AM4. The pins are way too easy to damage, especially considering how easily these things get stuck in the socket.
Only easy to damage if you mishandle the CPU. Just wait, one of these days, you'll drop an LGA chip into the socket when positioning it, corner first (they just naturally fall that way, it seems), and bend some pins and realize those are far more challenging to fix. If you break a pin off an AM4 CPU, you can just solder on a new pin. If you break a pin in a LGA socket, you have to swap the whole socket.
In 30 years, I've never bent the pins on a PGA CPU once. But I have bent LGA socket pins because it is so much easier to do.
@ aprox. 6:49 while you are showing the pin side of the cpu, it sure does look like a pin is missing at the corner with the arrow.
Looked up about that. It's not missing a pin.
Yes, at the 6:50 mark the fourth pin up on the left side of the chip is missing. That pin in the pin out is D-1 and is the pin for VSS P_GFX_TXP[0]. He is holding the cpu sideways and thus that missing pin in the pin out is on the top. The gold corner counts as the first two pins, the third pin is Vss.
Yep, good spot. Can be seen at 46 seconds also.
rip ryzen 7 5700x3d 😢
Maybe watch the whole video before commenting.
@@Lurch-Bot ur name is literally bot u dont know at what part of the video i i made that comment
crazy, last week I was admiring your ability to man a camera with one hand, and hold that small expensive thing with the other; thinking I'd be too scared to ever try that. I guess my fears weren't unfounded lol. At least you managed to make a genuinely informative and interesting video out of the situation.
Did you clean the pins after with isopropyl alcohol? Might have a little dirt on some of the pins. Top corner diagonal opposite to the arrow, appears to be damaged. Might be that you have slight delamination of the PCB. Last of all, although everything looks fine on the surface, you might have a cracked pin under the solder.
Nice video, great information for other people in similar situation.
On the bright side, ideal CPU for you test de-lidding and all the lovely crunch noises as the heatsink gradually releases from the PCB.
Besides the probable CPU pin damage done with the drop, I was surprised when you mentioned that you were cooling the CPU with a stock Wraith Stealth cooler! I tried the same thing a couple weeks ago when I first got my card and the CPU was basically throttling 😭
Update that B450 bios to the newest one or at least reset it. Preferably, both. I needed to update my board's BIOS for 5700x3d to boost to 4.1, without it it would be stuck at 3.0. And 'old' bios technically supported the 5700x3d.
EDIT: As for the CPU - there might be a short between two pins or there is poor contact of one pin and its pad, causing resistance.
Your videos are always interesting and funny at the same time! ❤
This is actually really dope, cuz I've seen a number of big channels putting out videos saying that once damaged cpus can be bent back, pins replaced, etc; and be totally fine and 100 percent functional. It's a different, longer term use case. Also, request that you try removing and alcohol swabbing the cpu and socket. Like maybe there's dust or a scuff that's causing the pins that handle pcie to malfunction
i bent pins before and cpus are just fine, one is being used to write this comment
a bent pin is just piece of metal, chearly here internally some traces on the pcb of the cpu had more damage, the pin itself is just metal, bent it back and all is well, the problem here is that he bent alot of pins so internally there could be traces whe cant see broken giving these results
the time is not a concern, my old r3 2200g got bent in 2018, as you see it works today just fine,, a bent pin is not the end of the world, a damaged pcb is a whole different story, dont join like this those two concepts
There is a pin missing.
Bro's hand is so large, he made a mAtx board look like an ITX.
2:20 Why have you put PS4 Cyberpunk footage in this video?
Thats one heavy cpu, glad you didnt hurt yourself when it fell. 😅 ill just see myself out..
I've moved on to the AM5 platform.
There were one or two occasions I accidentally bend the pins
If it's just that, you can use your credit/debit card to straighten out the pins. A magnifying glass and a touch light is super helpful 😊
Had a Ryzen 5 2600 dropped it and broke some pins, only motherboard sound didn't work, had to use some usb to audio adapter then got a ryzen 7 1800x for cheap
You just made a video about why I only build PCs and work on them on the floor- I've ruined a couple things due to one: just a normal drop, so my clumsiness, two: something got knocked off a table (cats... yay!) and three- an entire PC got knocked over and I lost thousands of hours of work due to it killing an HDD- that was something else that I'd rather not get into- just very dumb stuff, really. It all really sucked at the time but I can laugh about it now. Anyhoo, I do all PC work on the floor now and everything has been good since I started working on things this way!
This sucks mate. Sorry for your loss.
Cheers.
Just built a Pc for my son about 2 weeks ago (Ryzen 5 5600) and yeah, was so nervous as: 1) my first time building a PC and 2) its an AMD chip and heard so many stories about bent pins. Luckily it all went well.
Looks like the issue might be a pin not bent back well enough and it's one of the ones that control the PCIE 4 mode? Might need a magnifying glass/microscope the inspect the pins more thoroughly
😮 accodentaliy dropped my pheon it still wiebs somehow.
Had a bit of a stroke there, huh?
It's like a pins no longer making contact check to see if any are slightly shorter, possible pins not connected to cpu board and heating up pins may fix(not id like to do it) Linus done some videos on repairing pins missing and bent that are good.
Could be cheeky and ask AMD or place of purchase to replace but not say you dropped it, im told some places dont test returns if it looks good they replace/Refund sale on as open box.
Guess the old AM3 (940-pin) chips are a little more robust. Friend absolutely flattened 75% of the pins on his brand-new 9590 when installing it, I managed to bend them back with a pocket knife. Worked fine for ages.
you got a couple shorted layers on the corner thats damaged, give it a very small tickle with a dremel on that damaged corner to polish off the squished bit of the pcb then nail polish it over to keep the layers electrically seperated
love your contents,keep it up!
Probably cracked part of the pcb for the cpu. I assume it hit one side before the rest hit the floor. Shame really, these cpus are awesome
Northwest repairs or NorthRidgeFix could repair this for you, Straighting out all the pins on the cpu
It is missing one, wonder if NWR could replace it, you can see the stub is still there so it COULD be replaced...
Would be cost ineffective for someone based in the UK to send this CPU all the way to the US West coast. I'm sure there are people who are equally good based in the UK. If the pad is still there, this is a straightforward and cheap fix. Still, you have to question the point of doing it when CPU and GPU will run just as well in a B450 board. OP seems happy to run it like that. I still have a B450MB and, unless I get to the point where I am using a PCIe 5.0 GPU, while still using my 5700X3D, there is little chance I will ever own a B550 MB. At present and, for the foreseeable future, it would simply be a waste of money to upgrade the MB.
@@Lurch-Bot There is that too, If such places will do it for you.
Hmm , how did you know the CPU was not faulty or damaged in post in the first instance .. May even be a compatibility issue with the initial board ? @6:57 there is still clearly at least one bent pin that may not be connecting to the motherboard ( I know this from experience) .. Also I would install it without a cooler , let it overheat a few times to reflow any microfractures
I bent pins on my Ryzen 7 5800X and straightened them out. The thing was, I started having an occasional issue with RAM access. My computer would not restart or anything, just spit out an kernel panic error. (Running Linux)
The thing is when I was removing the cooler to check it out, I accidentally yanked it out of the still closed socket. Did not remove any of the pins, and since then seems to be running fine.
My thought was that the pins I bent back into place where not completely straight and were not making full contact in the socket. It pulling out of the socket might have straightened them out completely.
Or, you have a solder pad under one of the pins that has come loose.
Have you tried cleaning the pins with rubbing alcohol and a soft brissel tooth brush? The drop may have gotten the chip slightly dirty which could affect things considering what a demon dust can be.
Just curious, how do you safely store the extra motherboards, GPUs, and PSUs ect.. you have laying around your house?
Im currently trying to find a good solution for my extra hardware that i plan to use for future builds or sell eventually. Its all taking up to much space currently so i need a proper storage solution for motherboards and GPUs
I had similar issues with my older Crosshair VII Hero, no matter the CPU I used. Got an another sample of the motherboard and now works as should.
Is there might an issue with the BIOS Version on the Mainboard?
An old or wrong BIOS can mess up a lot. For example the 12900k on the ASUS Z690A-Prime gave me a lot of blue screens before updating the BIOS and XMP didn't work at all. Last but not least, PCIe was limited to 3.0, even with RTX 3070. Switching to 4.0 the system refused to boot. So a BIOS Update was necessary.
I dropped a few CPUs and never experienced any performance issues. It was more a works or work not scenario.
I bought one of these a while back on Ali express and it came with three bent pins on the corner. Bent them back and it worked fine. Also how do you get such high cinebench r23 scores? Highest I’ve seen with an asrock b550 phantom gaming itx/ac is 12755. On an older jginyue b550 itx board I had low 13ks
I am old time viewer of your channel. I like to watch videos about used tech, old and new games benchmark that you do on your channel.
Dont know why you still not at 1 million subs.
Maybe you can put videos 5-7 videos a week.
And also give videos on random car reviews...like that channel also.
Have a great day.
Did you drop it on a hard or soft surface? @1:48...and further you don't show it under load. It's normal for GPUZ to show lower bus speed/bandwidth than its capable of. Problem with b450 is that most (if not all) don't natively support SAM (smart access memory) or pcie4, but you addressed that. I'd chock it up to you dropping it and somethin just ain't right. Sell it faulty and move on. Thanks for the vid tho!
I have a B550 motherboard also limited to PCIe 3.0 and my 4060-Ti doesn't seem to be limited at all by it, comparing benchmarks against a 4.0 board they are identical. I've also bent the pins on a CPU before and had to carefully bend them back, I got lucky and it worked fine.
Sounds like memory controller issues or one of the pins responsible for a memory channel is hanging on by a thread.
Try with single channel RAM (try both channels) to confirm.
If that's the case, what another user recommended regarding trying to reflow the solder may actually solve your problem in this case. Memory controller wouldn't normally take damage from a fall, let alone one where the pins take most of the brunt.
I bought a 5600X during the pandemic, dropped it during install, broke 3 pins, one of which was stuck in the socket. After buying a 99p cpu for donor pins, and the most nervous soldering of my life, I got it working on a new board. Until, I realized that the system could only see 16gb of Ram. Looking at a pin map, the corner pin was for the memory controller, taking a chance, I removed the donor pin and reseated in the old board. Worked perfectly, until I needed to upgrade, the act of removing the mobo from the case must have done something, as that combo is now totally dead. Did get another year out of my hack job however
I wish so much that they would develop an actually robust connector CPU/MOBO pins are absurdly fragile. Srely they could come up with some better way. I guess that it just isn't a problem for factory line customers(dell etc) that make up nearly all their sales.
really its so annoying how weak the pins are, on the most important part of the pc arguably.
G.skill has a motherboard pin pad, for the pwr and reset pins to all be one plug. The same concept, but as a cpu cover could be super cheaply printed by intel or amd. Not a perfect fix, but an additional layer of protection up until you're just about to drop it into the socket
Intel Pentium II CPU's were mounted on an edge card that fit into a slot on the motherboard. The cooler was designed very much like a GPU cooler. Technically such a design might still work. If they can air cool an RTX 4090 pulling 400 watts they ought to be able to cool a CPU the same way. An AIO liquid cooler might work too.
Probably some pins are just dirty. Take a soft toothbrush and isopropyl alcohol and wash all the pins carefully. That should do the fix. Also for removing the CPU I'm using a duct tape or some other sticky tape. that way I stick the tape to the IHS and lift it that way. Doing that with fingers only may cause it to slip and fall.
I have a similar motherboard with the same bios logo at boot, my dumb brain thought for a second that my computer was rebooting at 1:15 .....
At least you made it mostly work again. Fixing 1/4 of the pins is a LOT of pins, so that in itself is a good job. Yeah, PCIE 3 is still good especially for midrange cards. I mean, I've got an RX 6700 and I'm running it with a R5600 on B450 and if I upgraded the motherboard I'd likely get no benefit from PCIE4 at all.
Basically, the only GPU where you might run into an issue is with a 4090. Every other PCIe 4.0x16 GPU is going to run fine on 3.0. The lower end ones that are PCIe 4.0x8 run fine on 3.0. You barely run into an issue with the PCIE 4.0x4 RX6400 and you are losing maybe 2% because it is such a weak GPU. You will lose more performance than that by not using reBAR, which is why grabbing an old workstation and plugging in a cheap, used 6400 from AliExpress isn't a great idea. It isn't the PCIe 3.0 that will get you, it is the lack of reBAR support.
The issue with the B550 is that it relies entirely on the CPU for the 1st PCI-E x 16 slot, which means any issue with the CPU will affect directly the GPU lanes. The B450 boards don't have this problem as far as I remember
A B450 MB's primary PCIe 3.0x16 slot is handled by the CPU. Zen 3 I/O controllers can do either PCIe 3.0 or 4.0, as could Zen 2 (3000 series), which was launched with B550 and X570. This CPU, with a missing PCIe 4.0 data pin works fine on a B450 MB because that's accessing the CPU via other pins for PCIe 3.0.
I dropped my FX 8350 and it still worked perfectly
The older amd chips had way beedfier pins i think? or maybe im thinkin gof phenom.
Idk if you saw, mate, but your GPU did switch down to PCIe Gen1.1 while you were moving the GPU-Z program window. Idk shit about processors to say what broke but that’s more data
TY for this lesson. Now I ONLY use a cpu over a bed until install and install is over a bed. WHEW! That's rough!
I'm a nervous wreck whenever installing a new cpu. Will wipe my brow in relief when it drops in the socket. The cold sweat comes back though when it's time to install the cooler.
I don't often wear a grounding strap, ( 40+ years in electronics ) but I do when manipulating I.C. pins.
If you do end up getting rid of this little fella, I'd be happy to give it a home. Been thinking of throwing together an AM4 system and Gen3 is all the faster I need given the age of the GPU I'd be dropping in.
At least it's useful in a salvageable way.
Hope that little guy gets plenty of usage still, be it by some kind if repair or in it's current state.
For the GPU-Z pcie lane is correct, it says the lane it supports and the lane you're running at. RIP (Rest In Performance)
Running a PCIe 4.0x16 GPU in a PCIe 3.0x16 slot incurs precisely zero performance loss. OK so there's possibly one exception these days, the 4090, which has a max throughput of 25GBps. But that's also just theoretical and actual throughput is usually quite a bit lower. But a 4070 Super isn't going to lose any performance. You can run RX6600/XT/6650XT which support PCIe 4.0x8 on PCIe 3.0 without losing any performance. I'm planning to get a 7800XT or 7900GRE on the used market in a few months and will be plugging it into my tried and true B450 board with confidence. That's getting close to the limit for PCIe 3.0. If I am still using my 5700X3D in 4-5 years, I'll have to get a B550 MB to get another GPU upgrade out of it.
very smooth gameplay!
Oh, Biostar? Didn't know they are still in motherboard industry. Back then, they were probably best cost to quality OEM's. I am talking about 3200+ era or so.
Actually, my awful cheap Biostar board died couple of years ago, being 19 years veteran at this point.
Yeah I don’t see many biostar boards these days 😁
Shit like this is exactly the kind of stuff that will help someone in the future who either drops or acquires a dropped one.
I did something similar to this. My cpu was stuck to the cooler. I had to use the back end of a butter knife and hit the ihs multiple times before it came off. I bent a few pins but luckily the fall was only a few inches. Bent the pins back and my 3700x still works just fine. Im glad it does because I was in NO position to buy myself a new cpu.
You gotta twist the cooler while the CPU is in the socket!
To be fair, I tried to do that myself, and ended up pulling the CPU out anyway. AMD's stock TP is like concrete, so twisting hard enough to break the paste makes it feel like you're going to rip apart the CPU or motherboard.
I avoided damaging my CPU by making sure I had a soft surface (a folded dusting cloth) beneath when I prised it off of the bottom of the Wraith cooler.
@@nathangamble125 I didn’t know that at the time
Been there, Dropped my brand new (at the time) 2200G before I even got it in the socket, or the BIOS upgraded to even get it to work! No wonder I couldn't get Windows 7 to recognise it. But the real problem turned out to be the PSU, which was getting on in age at the time. Speaking of which, It's been a few years since I put in my most recent PSU, perhaps I should look into a new one in the next annual overhaul. That and a nice new SSD for my Games.
The CPU not boosting off base clock is probably a BIOS setting, the 5700X3D doesn't support any ANY any overclocking beyond PBO so if anything like XFR is turned on it just runs baseclock, no boost for you! Ask me and my 45 minutes of wasted time how I figured it out. As for getting the full boost from the 5700X3D I found that a minor undervolt and setting a manual PBO scalar of 3x keeps mine at the whole 4050mhz all the time under multicore testing and gets the single core speeds up to their max and keeps them there.
If the pins were bent after the initial drop (and the subsequent being stepped on bit, because there's no WAY those pins would be so bent after a simple drop) and you straightened them, I would put it down to METAL FATIGUE DUE TO BENDING and thus reduced the flow of electrons to those pins!
Metal fatigue on gold pins from a single bend? One of the most malleable metals there is? No, there is a pin missing.
I had a CPU stick to the heatsink so bad I ripped the CPU out of the socket. I'd preheated and was twisting a little back and forth when it all just popped out. The CPU was hard to seat back into the board. I couldn't see anything bent but it wouldn't fall into the socket. I laid it on top and gently pushed it up and down and back and forth until it dropped back into the socket. Thankfully no damage other than making it tough to seat back into the board.
ooooooooffff ! bad times I've done this myself , although was lucky no permanent damage I took suffer with sausage fingers lol appreciate the video and the info
I think few of the pins soldering and gold plating wore off, introducing more noise.
1:45 interesting thing, when you click to drag the gpuz window a lot of information suddenly changes, including the PCIE one, that goes from 2.0 to 1.1 as the pc lags the hell out.. Is it something possible to happen? PCIE modes changing during the use of the PC?
Nice video as always
I'm sure with a bit of tinkering with soldiering or oven baking you might have a chance to fix your cpu
I might need to get a new processor as well. I dropped my 11400f and started hating all qvl ram instead of slowdowns.
Thanks for the video.
if it is a crack solder ball then a reflow would fix
Been there mate. My nickname is Butter fingers... but im handicapped, my hands are barely useful. I feel for ya mate. I had a rough one today too.. my cat hurled in my pc some time and i didnt notice, at the rear of my case up against wall. Went to boot up and nada. Had to clean out the back side of my 7800xt and Thankfully im back on... for now. Ya win some ya loose some... or in my case you Loose all the f.n time lol. Id send it back lol
I'm guessing that the CPU turns off some lanes internally when running below 4.0, and it just so happens that the lane that broke gets used in 4.0 and 2.0, but not 3.0.
As a poor college student, if this ever happend to me then it would be "Take it or leave it, womp womp" situation for me 😭
This shows why you need to be very careful purchasing used parts and pcs. Less scrupulous vendors would just sell you the damaged part.
Would be a waste of time to sell it on eBay because the buyer is likely to quickly notice something isn't right. The only way you could sell this CPU is 'for parts or repair'. Otherwise you're just going to be eating the cost of return shipping.
This is definitely something you have to worry about when buying from FB marketplace or CL.
My rig ran the similarly with this same cpu upgrade even though i did not drop mine. Ended up resetting window for a full fresh install. Five hours later everything was running just fine.
Similar lags happened to me but I think that was an program issue (B450+3700x+5700XT). I reinstalled the Windows and was all good again. Even the sound was laggy and the pc turned off aprox under 10 minutes.
Reminds me of me with an i5 6600k that i delid with a razor blade, i did it with all the care in the world but i guess i manage to damage the internal pcb, it let it me boot up GTAV, mind you the temps where way lower but fps began to decrease until it just crashed and never booted again, went to a welding shop and asked the owner to make a hole with a drill into the cpu and ihs to use it as a keychain or necklace to remind me that CPU's are good enough at stock, havent bother with overclocking even since. Greetings from Mexico friendo.
Delidding is really only for the people who use liquid nitrogen and accept the risks involved with extreme overclocking. For everyone else, it is a waste of time and unnecessary risk. There are a lot of ideas floating around the tech space that look cool but really aren't for your average gamer, like the RTX 4090. Even if I had one, I wouldn't be gaming on it, I would be using it for generative AI and AI training. 4k monitors are another thing that are really only for people with money to burn. As the resolution goes up, there are diminishing returns and it is simply too expensive for the average gamer still.
Another great example of something your average gamer shouldn't mess with is liquid metal. The 2C temp reduction isn't worth the risk of shorting out your GPU, CPU or MB and I would never use it because I can't afford the consequence if something goes wrong. And something almost always goes wrong when people use it. Again, that's something only extreme overclockers should use. The liquid metal is also quite toxic, difficult to clean up and, if it contains mercury, it will destroy aluminum.
One person's "all the care in the world" is another person's "winging it". This is why they make de-lidding fixtures. If you can't afford one, de-lidding definitely isn't for you.
I've overclocked pretty much every CPU and GPU I've ever owned and I built my first gaming PC 30 years ago. didn't even need a heatsink, much less a fan to overclock a 486.
arent 4060s limited to pci 8x? maybe that paired with gen 2 is the reason for the performance
Wow, this is a strange one! 😮
Never seen this behaviour with video cards indeed. But with network cards i have seen many problems with modern AMD Ryzen (5000 and 7000 series) where the card is not visible at all or running in 2.0 mode when it should be 3.0. Also some builds have seen this problem change with every powercycle. The solution for my problems with network cards that worked 100% of the time has been to set the speed in the bios and not to trust auto any longer. In fact have been seeing it so many times now that it is the first thing i do problems or no problems.
I am not convinced that the cpu is damaged. I suggest trying another motherboard with GEN4 support with the same CPU/GPU to rule out the motherboard part.
there's literally a missing pin. One in got ripped on the fall
hey i also have a b450 on my 5800x3d and I clock up to 4.3 easily, u sure the motherboard doesn't need a bios update?
You could try a PCI gen 4 NVMe and see if it runs at the correct speeds or also causes issues to check this further