Yes, which is what I also confirmed, just imagine that the most powerful entity you Know suddenly gets driven back to not return, you don't know What drove it back, or if it succeeded in ending the entity, Just the Dread that something so much more powerful is lurking
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@@Voron_Aggrav if they returned i at least assume that the rest of the universe is death but i can see your point
"You left us to die, so many times, because you didn't care. And now, as you face an existential threat that only we can save you from, you deem us worthy to be your subjects? Don't make me laugh."
At the end, I think he is worrying about the wrong thing. He shouldn't worry about the humans returning, but worry about them *not* returning. For the creature is still there, slumbering inside the singularity, gazing its prey...
or the thought that should be his royal science college's 'true' concern.. that was one migrating stellar creature , one... that breed like a bacteria capable of exponential growth , how many other galaxies out there only hade struggling young sentients when such a thing arrived ? what if a migration of millions of them from another now empty galaxy reaches their door steep ,will they be able to handle such a host ? or will the way they wasted potential young allies result in nothing but a slow death as for every such creature they kill dearly losing countless ships to do so , two more are born from the rest as they feast where the royal fleets is lacking..
The very beginning of this reminded me of another HFY where the galaxy was a chaotic survival of the fittest mess and earth the only known sanctuary with loads of defences.
They gave the humans the wrong answer. The right answer would have been. "Would you have grown as you did, if we had rendered technology and aid? Would you have valued what was given as much as what was earned? You were never in true danger of extinction. If you had been, we may have interfered, but in the absence of that, we waited, only approaching when we thought no harm would happen from our first contact."
Yes you let us suffer from the goodness of your heart. I am sure all the people who died in those wars and suffered through that rebuilding would be happy to hear that.
Agreed. Had they "rendered aid", then the Humans would have been no different than any other race in the collective. But at the same time, they were already a stagnant society. Inevitably doomed because they will not change sufficiently. They will believe that more ships and more weapons (of the same sort they already have) will be the answer to the infestation. And then, Humanity will not be there to render aid, or provide assistance.
@@krevor4095 Maybe (they might as well do even more much faster, this really can go either way depending on story wants) but that was obviously not an intention. If we were friends and I asked you for help because my house burned down and I have nowhere to sleep and you did nothing... Well even if I've managed to turn it around after years of hardship and in some stroke of luck found a love of my life in the process, guess what: you're still not invited to the wedding. If you'd barged in and tried this "look how well it turned out for you" the term "shotgun wedding" would get a whole new meaning. Yeah it might have worked out in the end, but no thanks to your fair weather ass.
eh, if technology serves the purpose of empowering the user what did you think it's final iteration would inevitably be? aby sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. because magic is a placeholder term for things you do not understand. in the end godhood is simply the superlative word for understanding. in the limit any surviving variable becomes an infinity.
Its natural to fear absolute power, knowing your entire existence is at the discretion of another being that does not share your values. Knowing that the being can be merciful does not comfort those who know its wrath. You tread carefully and celebrate when you are beneath its notice.
The only thing he should worry about if humans return is his empire, as unless he chose to fight for it instead of surrender then there wouldn't be much to worry about at all.
I do not think that this story’s humans are without fault, but that this is a fable where the strong who refuse to help the weak are punished. The species itself is punished, which is unjust, but the species is personified, so if and as long as the idea of group punishment is and remains part of the fiction rather than of the moral, the takeaway is excellent.
except that the humans didn't punish anyone, they even helped a random species who may or may not have been one of those that attacked humanity. they just left when they decided that the galaxy wasn't a place they wanted to live in.
10:47 what? Humanity here is giving me illogical, and lord of the rings movie elves vibes, like... leaving? Leaving OUR GALAXY, leaving our home, our home world, leaving not to expand, but just to leave for the sake of it, the most logical and human thing humanity in this story would and should've done, was conquer, and keep what they have conquered, destroy those who oppose and so on, I see that in this story, Humanity has literally ascended to "godhood" haha 😂😅 and I can't relate at all, this isnt Humanity, it's something else entirely. Edit: this story would fit more if it was more "focused", like on a son abandoned by his family, became successful and his family begged for forgiveness and so on, more focused on micro problems, not macro, it just doesn't make sense to me.
You do understand that the leadership was a Monarchial system? No the brightest nor most intelligent, not even earned. Given. If you learned anything about human history, which authors often parallel, it's that monarchy's produce the poorest of leadership.
the infection will remain contained for centuries, he'll probably not exist when the containment field fails, meanwhile the humans might return during his lifetime.
Fearing Humanities return is a logical fear. But the greater fear should be. What if they don't return.
Mean if they're driven back I'd fear that which drove them back
@@Voron_Aggrav The later says "Wait, what if there is something out there that can destroy them?"
Yes, which is what I also confirmed, just imagine that the most powerful entity you Know suddenly gets driven back to not return, you don't know What drove it back, or if it succeeded in ending the entity, Just the Dread that something so much more powerful is lurking
@@Voron_Aggrav if they returned i at least assume that the rest of the universe is death but i can see your point
"You left us to die, so many times, because you didn't care. And now, as you face an existential threat that only we can save you from, you deem us worthy to be your subjects? Don't make me laugh."
At the end, I think he is worrying about the wrong thing.
He shouldn't worry about the humans returning, but worry about them *not* returning.
For the creature is still there, slumbering inside the singularity, gazing its prey...
or the thought that should be his royal science college's 'true' concern..
that was one migrating stellar creature , one... that breed like a bacteria capable of exponential growth , how many other galaxies out there only hade struggling young sentients when such a thing arrived ?
what if a migration of millions of them from another now empty galaxy reaches their door steep ,will they be able to handle such a host ? or will the way they wasted potential young allies result in nothing but a slow death as for every such creature they kill dearly losing countless ships to do so , two more are born from the rest as they feast where the royal fleets is lacking..
The very beginning of this reminded me of another HFY where the galaxy was a chaotic survival of the fittest mess and earth the only known sanctuary with loads of defences.
do you have the link to that one?
@@happy_amoeba nope, I don’t even remember the title. Nor how long ago I read it.
@@purpledevilr7463 oh dang, thx anyway lol
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They gave the humans the wrong answer. The right answer would have been. "Would you have grown as you did, if we had rendered technology and aid? Would you have valued what was given as much as what was earned? You were never in true danger of extinction. If you had been, we may have interfered, but in the absence of that, we waited, only approaching when we thought no harm would happen from our first contact."
That would have been a complete lie, but a believable lie
Easily countered with, what's your definition of extension , aid and growth
Yes you let us suffer from the goodness of your heart. I am sure all the people who died in those wars and suffered through that rebuilding would be happy to hear that.
Agreed. Had they "rendered aid", then the Humans would have been no different than any other race in the collective.
But at the same time, they were already a stagnant society. Inevitably doomed because they will not change sufficiently. They will believe that more ships and more weapons (of the same sort they already have) will be the answer to the infestation. And then, Humanity will not be there to render aid, or provide assistance.
@@krevor4095 Maybe (they might as well do even more much faster, this really can go either way depending on story wants) but that was obviously not an intention.
If we were friends and I asked you for help because my house burned down and I have nowhere to sleep and you did nothing... Well even if I've managed to turn it around after years of hardship and in some stroke of luck found a love of my life in the process, guess what: you're still not invited to the wedding. If you'd barged in and tried this "look how well it turned out for you" the term "shotgun wedding" would get a whole new meaning. Yeah it might have worked out in the end, but no thanks to your fair weather ass.
'What if they return?'
"We done told ya to be better, maybe try that?"
"Fair weather friends" are no friend at all. It is an old human lesson.
4:57 - At least the human ship they saw wasn't a massive space cathedral. Xenos get to live a little longer.
Good job making humans, impossible god creatures, YES, GOD HUMANS, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM!!!
It's so weird 😅😂
eh, if technology serves the purpose of empowering the user what did you think it's final iteration would inevitably be?
aby sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
because magic is a placeholder term for things you do not understand.
in the end godhood is simply the superlative word for understanding.
in the limit any surviving variable becomes an infinity.
Anyone else thinking the infestation was the beginning stages of the creatures from Worm?
Why would you be afraid? Humanity clearly had power to remove all species standing in their way yet they didn't do it...
Its natural to fear absolute power, knowing your entire existence is at the discretion of another being that does not share your values. Knowing that the being can be merciful does not comfort those who know its wrath. You tread carefully and celebrate when you are beneath its notice.
Personally I would be more worried about that blackhole and when it collapses.
Subbed. We just played a 2 man on Bloodhunt. defo looking forward to listening to more of this.
The only thing he should worry about if humans return is his empire, as unless he chose to fight for it instead of surrender then there wouldn't be much to worry about at all.
I do not think that this story’s humans are without fault, but that this is a fable where the strong who refuse to help the weak are punished. The species itself is punished, which is unjust, but the species is personified, so if and as long as the idea of group punishment is and remains part of the fiction rather than of the moral, the takeaway is excellent.
except that the humans didn't punish anyone, they even helped a random species who may or may not have been one of those that attacked humanity. they just left when they decided that the galaxy wasn't a place they wanted to live in.
Why fear, when you were told how to remedy?
WHEN we return you all better just play nice and pay your taxes.
Silly xeno,... you only rule because we don't want to. Good luck with that
13 minutes ago, let's gooo. I am looking forward to this
AMAZING
part 2?
7:45 Um....no, that's been a hell of a lot longer than six centuries. A century is only a hundred years...
Six of their centuries could be millennia for us
For the algorithm
Dyson spheres are inefficient we should be using Dyson swarms
Which is a type of Dyson Sphere.
And what if they are not...
"next time, be better" alright Mr. Hihors McVIce
Algorithm appeasement comment!
10:47 what? Humanity here is giving me illogical, and lord of the rings movie elves vibes, like... leaving? Leaving OUR GALAXY, leaving our home, our home world, leaving not to expand, but just to leave for the sake of it, the most logical and human thing humanity in this story would and should've done, was conquer, and keep what they have conquered, destroy those who oppose and so on, I see that in this story, Humanity has literally ascended to "godhood" haha 😂😅 and I can't relate at all, this isnt Humanity, it's something else entirely.
Edit: this story would fit more if it was more "focused", like on a son abandoned by his family, became successful and his family begged for forgiveness and so on, more focused on micro problems, not macro, it just doesn't make sense to me.
Ey yo I'm early!
Second, not so early lol
Third!
Really? Thats your issue. What if they return? Not the encapsulated... infection? Poorly written and illogical, I think.
You do understand that the leadership was a Monarchial system? No the brightest nor most intelligent, not even earned. Given.
If you learned anything about human history, which authors often parallel, it's that monarchy's produce the poorest of leadership.
the infection will remain contained for centuries, he'll probably not exist when the containment field fails, meanwhile the humans might return during his lifetime.
Is one sucks bud