I love judge Doorbent! 😍 Thank you for your judging Jimmy! I just want to update, that after watching all angles my incident got penalty removed by the stewards (also Im not wide in that corner im as much as possible on apex because you CANOT touch that yellow sausage in ACC at all).😅😰
The jardier incident was bad race craft from the black car. He had compromised your line into the corner and should have backed off so he could apex and exit the corner with more speed to attack again. It's sad too many people try an hang on in rather than setting up the pass further down the track. So many sim racers attack into a corner rather than focusing on setting up the exit and compromising your opponent.
They shouldn’t have removed the penalty, due to if there would be no contact you would have driven black car of the road, so they removed it due to people crying on the internet, and you msking a fuss about it, due to people like you eho think when they pusg somone off it is not a penalty but if roles get reversed it is s penalty.
@@marchelligaming I would say there was enough room on the outside. On this corner track limits are very forgiving and because its a fast corner where you want to carry as much speed as possible, cars are almost always on the grass with left tyres. That is a normal racing line through there. So there was room left for entire corner exit. It would be tight but both cars could have made it safely. Racing incident in my opinion.
As an ACC regular, the Jardier clip needs a *tiny* bit more context. The reason Jared is maybe slightly wide of the apex is because that curb will absolutely fuck you up. There's a very good reason for him to leave more room than usual.
Some context for the first one: Its very hard to return to the track safety on forza Motorsport without loosing control (especially on sim steering) and the off track kinda sucks you off and slows you down without much ability to turn
@@james-m-8285 the simtwitch is awful. Honestly don't see why they can't make sim steering like they do in fh5 and just have it be a more responsive steering setting where you can still catch the car as you would on normal steering
Forza has this weird thing with its physics, where if you get bumped on the front quarter you just lose all steering. Thats why the white AMG just drives off the track.
also, grass is so inconsistent, sometimes youll slide along with no way of turning back in, other times youll snap back and slingshot across the track, which is what i also think they were trying to avoid.
I'm the 787b guy and Jimmy saw right through me lol that was 100% humblebrag. I actually though no way this was legal, but then reddit pointed out I was one wheel within the lines 😅 didn't expect it Nice fo feature on the channel though! Been watching since 20k subs, if you're seeing this Jimmer thanks for the content ❤
Sorry mate, but I think you deserved a penalty for that one; if I was stewarding, I always consider that at least two of the wheels need to be within the lines and you had three of them out-of-bounds.
@@legoferrari14 Please never steward anything in your life then. Not even a rental gokart track. If the minimum for track limits is 1 wheel, then 1 wheel is legal, not illegal. What you "think" doesn't matter. There are hard set rules and then safety/conduct rules. This was the former, not the latter.
Please never steward if you do so based off of how you feel and not the actual rules lmao and heads up one wheel is 100% legal so stay bent soy boy@@legoferrari14
Yep both incidents were caused by their lack of awareness - although both other drivers certainly made risky and even ill-advised moves, both would have been fine had blue car just realized they were slow and looked in their mirrors.
On the Silverstone punt, I don't think blue is as at fault. They just had two significant incidents, the latter involving getting bonked in the side, I think they're worried about having recieved steering damage that would manifest itself most under braking, thus staying way to the side and going long, leaving room for passing.
Normally in this series I agree with Jimmy most of the time but this episode there was quite a few where I was leaning the other way. For example the first one, the Lambo is at fault, merc was well alongside so should have been allowed more space. Last one, imo the nature of the corner, (having to be on a certain line to take it flat for example), is irrelevant if there is a car well alongside, and in any corner it doesn't matter if the car alongside is trading paint or is on the complete other side of the track, they are still alongside so should be left space, even if it means the next corner or sector is going to be heavily compromised or very awkward.
For that first incident it looks kind of innocuous at first glance, but it seems like it was definitely on the Blue car. Slowing it down to 0.25% speed and looking at it, the blue turns into the AMG at the last second, where they would have both made it otherwise. Could definitely still be mild netcode tbf though.
I would like to point out the lack of avoiding action on the part of the green Cadi at Silverstone. When the blue car spun there was a great opportunity for the green car to dip around the back of him. It would have been an off track overtake, but the car in front was not in control and so it should have been fine. Also, the final incident, while you expect someone to NOT drop an anchor on the racing line into a fast corner, there was time to at least try to swerve around him on the inside of the corner and just follow the black car through. I would mostly judge that video as Insufficiently Opportunistic Racing on the part of the green car.
I grew up in the 80s riding a Honda 125 3-wheeler with no helmet or any other protective gear. I had a blast but that damn thing was unstable as hell. It got up on 2 wheels every single time you turned, would flip over if you just looked at it funny and had a terrible tendency to bounce then flip ass over teakettle. They needed to do something to mandate that 4th wheel.
I saw a third incident in that second clip...the black car with the yellow roll cage went off track to pass (reacting to what was going on in front of him) without giving the position back! If only Jimmer would appear in the comments to pass judgement on this move!
If you wanna understand how a GT car carries speed and takes lines around a track, just get in a GT car.. you’ll understand after like 2 laps.. and vice versa for Gt car drivers wanting to understand Lmp/hyper cars/etc
Second guy is the prime example for why some people recommend not using the racing line. Guy just blindly sticks on his line and doesnt have any awareness whatsoever of the cars around him.
I'm the Players car. I was braking but saw him coming and panicked. Car was damaged and I tried to turn to the inside and locked the brakes. Honestly... not my best moment. I should have accelerated but with the rear view FOV, it was like... slowing down... OH SHIT. Protest was successful for intentional wrecking, if it helps.
That such minor things can turn into full-blown penalties and judgements is such a downer for new racers. You can be going through a turn doing everything right and then some guy tries to pull alongside, bumps you and dies, then you've got people saying you did this and that wrong. I've never seen another esport where you're expected to protect your opponents from themselves like this. If you've given someone enough room that should be all that's required. If someone decides to send it through a corner to try and get round you and ends up evaporating then that's on them.
about prototype and gt collisions, the simple rule (just like in real life) is that GT's just follow the racing line, and its up to the prototype to for overtaking it correctly. ofcourse if the prototype is already next to it, than a GT car just cant turn in. but that are mostly in slow speed sections. important with this type of races that you need a bit of patience and time it correctly. even though i wasnt the outright fastest with prototypes, i saved a ton of time with this. in case i was in a GT car I kept my eyes in the mirrors aswell, I would already position my car a little bit more clear just to indicate to the prototype behind me where he should pass me. it is working together really aswell, just to make sure you both not crash and not loose time otherwise.
Seeing the flashing lights made me laugh on the caddy one. I used to help run an Iracing league a few years ago and the amount of people that would claim it was very intimidating, with one guy claiming it was more so than a boardroom meeting (and he was a up the food chain a fair way too).
13:35 Maybe he got banned because the black car is the admin and never saw the white car on the inside 😅 Edit: Before you comment, always watch to the end! ^^
Reactionary defending, had a guy do that to me on public roads as I was coming up on him, he darts into my lane, no signal, then again when I signalled and smoothly changed lanes, didn't even glance over when I pulled along side him at a stop, But he did want to try and drag race me, and lost, I slowed for a car ahead in my lane and he passed after a few seconds, and proceeded to dart between traffic with no signals. Wow.
I will say with the Jardier incident, whilst he's a little wide of the apex, that apex has a nasty arse sausage kerb that's pretty lethal if you catch it wrong. In qualifying I'd push right up against it, but in races I tend to give it a bit of a wide berth as it can easily unsettle the car and throw you into the gravel. Side by side it's also probably wise to avoid as get it wrong and you'll crash into the car next to you anyway
The first one the reason he kept going straight is because Forza physics. You either cant turn at all on the grass or you immediately spin. Dont ask how i know...
Jardier: have seen overlaps like that with no netcode issues, acc is far better than about anything there. Car on the outside turned in too hard imo - if jardier had pushed him off at the exit ( might have happened ), different story. Last one, no matter how half-arsed that was there was still quite an overlap before the corner, wasn't like the macca poked his nose in late, the beemer just turned in anyway. He could have pinned the mclaren on the outside & kept the position through all the following right handers.
0:14 Although the Merc messed up a LOT - first he got out of shape in Arrabiata2 and then he forgot to defend before Scarperia - the Lambo's slight move to the right while exiting Palagio looked a bit intentional. If that was the case, the Lambo deserved a penalty for causing a collision.
For the first clip other than the weird FM steering physics mentoined by others, I could see the game giving a time penalty for a direct rejoin there. I've experienced it before where Ive been pushed off track just from heated racing and been given a time penalty even though it wasnt my fault for being of track. The off track penalty is a bit borked so the amg may have been trying to avoid that.
I had so many of these kind of run me off the circuit incidents this week 13. I had the run on a guy coming out of a corner, was safely alongside in the middle of the road. Then he pushed me towards the right side of the track and just kept pushing off the road! Hate week 13 D:
Holy moly, how the leader in the first clip isnt banned yet is beyond me. His name basically says 88 18 which is code HH AH. I probably cant even spell this out here without getting banned by RUclips.
11:10 as far as I'm aware, the black Aston was rotating into the corner due to driver inputs and not due to netcode. At this level the 'meta' in ACC currently is to run zero traction control. Which for a GT3 car simulator is dumb as hell, but that is the fastest way to drive the cars at the moment at that kind of level. The aliens are more insane than usual.
I think Jimmy got the last one wrong. Was it a half-hearted move? Yes, but why does that matter. The rules don't say "All attempts to overtake must be full send." LOL! However, they do say that you have to leave space. The inside car had plenty of overlap so that's not in question, and it's not their fault if the other driver had poor situational awareness. If you're on a single screen, you need to use a spotter, use your mirrors, and/or map look left and right buttons.
That yellow car at around the 5:00 mark never had a viable gap, even if the red car hadn't moved over. The track was narrowing ahead. Should taken the left side.
Damn, Fisting and slapping. Feeling alittle kinky today, aren't we? Jokes aside, Alot of close ones in this. Not as many clear cut ones (Which were mostly with the multi class cars). Seems like the message of being the responsible car making the pass is STILL not getting through to some, feel like some people spend more time looking at what THEY can do through a corner far less at what others can do (which is an extension of my belief that people don't treat races as races, more as one big extended time trial session).
2:29 I'm going to assume here that the blue car (William Chen3) is using the racing line driver aid based on their movements. Yes the car behind was at fault like Jimmer pointed out but they are most certainly paying more attention to staying on the line, than where the other cars are around them. In my opinion.
I think those were all called pretty well, except the last one. Totally disagree on that one. McLaren may be giving it a poor attempt here(in the sense of the realities of Sim Racing), but he is well alongside into the corner and is hugging the apex very well. BMW turns in on him, that is absolutely on the BMW who just has to give the room, and if that means he has to get out of the throttle, well then that is that way. Tough noogies. McLaren is not at fault at all.
Just an FYI for future videos. Most of the tracks on forza have their limits set to the outside edge of the kerb. Doesn't make much of a difference in the clip where you elaborated about it but just for future reference. Forza is MUCH more generous than f1 and I've been talking full advantage lol
Why the hate towards LMP3s. They're great to drive, imo. But all great to see these videos. I, as a steward in our simracing community, like the way you approach these incidents.
7:42 imma have to disagree with the verdict on this one... Protag-kun just dive-bombed with no hope of hitting the actual apex and staying on-line. The blue car was actually angled into the turn and wasn't about to go flying off the other side like black&red
BMW is 100% at fault in that last clip. The inside car is on the kerbing when the BMW turns into him. The BMW was driving as if the inside car wasn't even there. Probably because he's trying to follow the exact line of the car in front of them both. You can argue it's a crap move by the inside car, I'd argue that's irrelevant. The car on the inside still hit the apex and is seemingly still able to hold that line. Until, of course, the BMW just turns across him as if he wasn't even there. I think the white BMW is a textbook case of a hotlapper hotlapping in a race. They are just trying to go as fast as they can regardless of the existence of others right alongside them.
Thanks for the great content Jimmer - I disagree with the last one. That move is fine there, it was executed so poorly the poor guy never had a chance to complete the overtake. Best case scenario he gets a better line into the corner, uses all of the curb and some grass, and (if needed) gives a lift as to make sure he doesn't hit the car to his right. They would end up side by side into the next turn and pov likely wont be able to go around the outside. Not a great spot to pass without a mega run.
3:47, also "Racing Line On Behavior" paying more attention to "sticking to the racing line" than sticking to YOUR line, as the guy behind has a run. Red's at fault for not backing out. Blue. Turn the bloody racing line off and don't stick to it like glue, don't clear yourself on the noses of those behind. and end up turnt. 11:44, Agree, hard racing. Car on outside made their own grave. 15:41, Good pause here Jimmer. Y'all if the car in front of you spins. DONT CONTINUE TO DRIVE INTO THEM. [/which our daft Caddy does .-.;;;] 18:55,. Aiyah ugh Jimmer I remember you getting clobbered here in ye'olde nissan GTP ZX-Ts vs an audi. The audi was on the clueless side of things with you barreling down and his defense was "That's my racing line" as he more or less came to the right and blocked you as you were keeping right. -- ideally, as the faster class, keep in mind which side the upcoming corner is, and set yourself up to be on the inside, the slower class will want the outside racing line, eventually giving you that inside line to get past. (19:45, ayyyy~~~)
GTPs trying to pass GTs in the kink at Road America are complete effing idiots. That is a flat out, zero room for correction corner. GTs either make it or they go off at racing speed but it gives me anxiety at how many faster class cars act like they are lords of racing and have the right to pass you at any point they wish. So infuriating at their god complex considering there is a long straight in which they will easily pass the GTs just a couple seconds later. Also the blue car in the second clip needs to turn the damn racing line off. He sticks to it which in my opinion contributed heavily to the wreck. He might not have even been paying attention because the line is telling him how to drive.
The apex to the penultimate corner at Kyalami is a landmine, I don't think it's reasonable to expect Jardier to be closer to it, there was only about a tires width he could have been closer without crashing into the outside car. Racing incident as the car on the outside did not leave enough room for the car on the inside.
Iracing should make a rule like, if who caused the crashed flashed the light before do such a dumbass move, it will be "an insult to injury" and make his punishment harsher.. Is becoming out of control recently
As a big multi class league racer, that caddy into the Ferrari should result in jail time, and is exactly why a lot of people shouldn’t be allowed near a prototype
During the 1st clip the AMG could have made a better decision (aswell as the lambo) but unfortunately once your slick hits the sand Then onto the grass ( watch the ass end lol its is kicking to the left due to the throttling on the grass/sand you cant just turn directly onto the track in that short time it dropped 2 gears with the kick out while still accelerating. It drops to 68 MPH but goes back up to 70 and RPMs were still climbing) he wasn't getting any front end grip probably being thats where the hit can in . After contact probably should have just dropped the throttling stay of the brake an get front together.
On clip 2. The Miata’s. The blue car is at fault. Something must of happened prior to the video clip for him to be that slow. When you get passed that quickly on the left and then right four wide you are off pace. The third car was carrying momentum like you have to doin the Miata’s and the blue car drifted into him
I think for the Audi Touring car one, it looks like the blue car is trying to go for the switch back but the Audi on the inside just stops on the apex and isnt really turning into the corner. So i would put it as a racing incident as the Audi is nearly perpendicular to the corner at the apex and is going very slow.
I'd say for the two audi's (red & blue), it's more of a racing incident due to the fact that the red had been physically penalised. It was great racing until the point of impact on the left hander at the main point contact, we are interested in. Red car brakes late, outbraking himself, yes all be it ahead of the blue car. If you look at the angle of turn in, there is no way for him to make that turn cleanly. He has come in too shallow to the apex. Causing him to drive in straighter trajectory. Could the blue car give him more room? I think so. Hence, why I'd say it's more of a racing incident. Both drivers are at fault, with red outbreaking himself and with an incorrect angle to take the corner, and then blue, not leaving more room.
4 minutes in the blue is Def at fault. If the contact didn't happen there it would have happened hundredths later since his line is cutting to that kink on the left and there's already barely room for a car on the left
This is really simple! The Aston Martin is completely at fault. The Inside car was ahead, racing a proper line and did not deviate. The Aston Martin initiated the contact and ,as a result, put himself in the grass. The inside driver just filled in the space vacated by the Aston Martin. The Martin wasn't pushed, always had plenty of room before the contact was made... just poor driving on the part of the Aston Martin
In 3:40, I think the blue car is at fault. Because there is a corner that is almost not a corner but you have to steer a bit to the left there. And I think there red car thought that and did not go to the left fully. If he have done that he may not be able to go side by side with the blue car so left a bit of a space to the left there to properly pass from there. However, blue car sees that red car coming but still keeps turning into the red car like it is not there. And also a reactive move. So blue car is at fault for me.
I kinda don't agree with the last clip (GT4s @ Zandvoort). The McLaren is always at the white line. BMW seems to misjudge and turn in too much. Not really racing online often but I think making moves is not only about overtaking but also to make the guy in front a bit compromised to prepare the overtake.
9:42 is easy, during the slow frame, you see the blue car not move his angle of turn the entire turn. Like not even a hair. He planned his move at the START of turning and kept out through all the way. The black cat you can see go left and right and left and right, an obvious sign of him being the only one making changes to his turning. Therefore he at fault for picking the one that causes collision as is clear the other driver had no input in that
idk that Jardier clip I don't see how anyone could see that and think that Jardier was at fault. I can see an argument for it being no fault racing incident but I think that what it looks like to me is a situation where that black car is the one at fault but his bad choice ended up only really hurting himself so it feels weird to put him at fault. But the black car turned into Jardier and if you look at the point where the contact forced the cars apart there was still plenty of space with in the track limits for black to be able to drive which may not have been his preferred racing line but you can't just force yourself into people especially when you are technically behind the person (although probably close enough to be called side by side). That being said I'm a complete amateur so maybe it's more nuanced than that but that's just what common sense tells me.
With the last one you could definitely tell the driver is very non-confrontational and has low confidence in their abilities, both in the caption and in the driving. Staying off the racing line trying not to get in other people's way. Its a race Gary, get in there and be competitive. Also, its a game! It's okay to make mistakes and to miss the shots you take, but at least take those shots.
Two corners that could not be more different if they tried. One was a corner that Jardier reached the apex first for, and the other driver turned into him AFTER the apex. Also, the risk of cataclysmic damage with such an incident is virtually non-existant. Jardier also barely missed the apex AT ALL, to the extent that it virtually made zero difference to whether the contact could be attributed to him. EVEN THEN, Jardier didn't leave a lot of room on the outside, so even with all these mitigating circumstances the contact may have happened regardless. Versus washing to the whole OTHER SIDE of the circuit into a car holding their line, not even attempting to make the corner properly, into the BACK of the car ahead, all way before the apex. Lewis didn't make a move, didn't gain a position to edge ahead and have ANY entitlement to space on the inside, and there was plenty there too. Jardier and the other driver had SO MUCH more of a right to their positions than Lewis had to barge his way into the inside of Max. The scale of the "mistake" is not even of the same magnitude, so the comparison is IMO very dishonest. All the teasing before the British GP about a coincidental possibility of Max's 30+ point lead being cut down due to DNF also makes me HIGHLY skepical of the accidental nature of the crash.
Red car was at fault, but I get why the blue car asked the question. He is a novice still using the racing line and he got so busy following it I don't think he was aware of what was around him.
I love judge Doorbent! 😍 Thank you for your judging Jimmy! I just want to update, that after watching all angles my incident got penalty removed by the stewards (also Im not wide in that corner im as much as possible on apex because you CANOT touch that yellow sausage in ACC at all).😅😰
I was about to say - that sausage would have launched you over the black Aston
The jardier incident was bad race craft from the black car. He had compromised your line into the corner and should have backed off so he could apex and exit the corner with more speed to attack again. It's sad too many people try an hang on in rather than setting up the pass further down the track. So many sim racers attack into a corner rather than focusing on setting up the exit and compromising your opponent.
wow, props to the stewards then. (I have a bit of hate for them, but less now)
Did they act on the reddit post or did you ask them to review?
They shouldn’t have removed the penalty, due to if there would be no contact you would have driven black car of the road, so they removed it due to people crying on the internet, and you msking a fuss about it, due to people like you eho think when they pusg somone off it is not a penalty but if roles get reversed it is s penalty.
@@marchelligaming I would say there was enough room on the outside. On this corner track limits are very forgiving and because its a fast corner where you want to carry as much speed as possible, cars are almost always on the grass with left tyres. That is a normal racing line through there. So there was room left for entire corner exit. It would be tight but both cars could have made it safely. Racing incident in my opinion.
As an ACC regular, the Jardier clip needs a *tiny* bit more context. The reason Jared is maybe slightly wide of the apex is because that curb will absolutely fuck you up. There's a very good reason for him to leave more room than usual.
I was thinking the same, he was as close to the apex as you can get without hitting the sausage of instant death
i agree
Ahh makes sense. Is there a reason he was actually crying in the clip?
Some context for the first one:
Its very hard to return to the track safety on forza Motorsport without loosing control (especially on sim steering) and the off track kinda sucks you off and slows you down without much ability to turn
Yeah Forza has an offensively bad tire bite-in curve, regaining traction feels like being t-boned from the inside front
@@james-m-8285 the simtwitch is awful. Honestly don't see why they can't make sim steering like they do in fh5 and just have it be a more responsive steering setting where you can still catch the car as you would on normal steering
Love when a new episode of Judge Jimmer comes out
Forza has this weird thing with its physics, where if you get bumped on the front quarter you just lose all steering. Thats why the white AMG just drives off the track.
also, grass is so inconsistent, sometimes youll slide along with no way of turning back in, other times youll snap back and slingshot across the track, which is what i also think they were trying to avoid.
"Forza has this weird thing with its physics"
And sometimes the grass sens to pull you more even when you are already with all four wheels on the grass
Hey! I'm the white AMG and that's absolutely why I couldn't get back onto the track :( I do also appreciate my move was bold lmao
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I'm the 787b guy and Jimmy saw right through me lol that was 100% humblebrag. I actually though no way this was legal, but then reddit pointed out I was one wheel within the lines 😅 didn't expect it
Nice fo feature on the channel though! Been watching since 20k subs, if you're seeing this Jimmer thanks for the content ❤
That was a fucking sick move even if it wasn't by design.
Sorry mate, but I think you deserved a penalty for that one; if I was stewarding, I always consider that at least two of the wheels need to be within the lines and you had three of them out-of-bounds.
@@legoferrari14 Please never steward anything in your life then. Not even a rental gokart track.
If the minimum for track limits is 1 wheel, then 1 wheel is legal, not illegal. What you "think" doesn't matter. There are hard set rules and then safety/conduct rules. This was the former, not the latter.
Please never steward if you do so based off of how you feel and not the actual rules lmao and heads up one wheel is 100% legal so stay bent soy boy@@legoferrari14
Blue mx5 at okayama looked like it was blindly following the racing line and not watching their surroundings
Yep both incidents were caused by their lack of awareness - although both other drivers certainly made risky and even ill-advised moves, both would have been fine had blue car just realized they were slow and looked in their mirrors.
Love that jimmer says “the aston martin” even tough they were both astons on the jardier one.
On the Silverstone punt, I don't think blue is as at fault. They just had two significant incidents, the latter involving getting bonked in the side, I think they're worried about having recieved steering damage that would manifest itself most under braking, thus staying way to the side and going long, leaving room for passing.
Normally in this series I agree with Jimmy most of the time but this episode there was quite a few where I was leaning the other way. For example the first one, the Lambo is at fault, merc was well alongside so should have been allowed more space. Last one, imo the nature of the corner, (having to be on a certain line to take it flat for example), is irrelevant if there is a car well alongside, and in any corner it doesn't matter if the car alongside is trading paint or is on the complete other side of the track, they are still alongside so should be left space, even if it means the next corner or sector is going to be heavily compromised or very awkward.
Your comparison of multiclass racing cars and their lines was a good learning point
For that first incident it looks kind of innocuous at first glance, but it seems like it was definitely on the Blue car. Slowing it down to 0.25% speed and looking at it, the blue turns into the AMG at the last second, where they would have both made it otherwise. Could definitely still be mild netcode tbf though.
I would like to point out the lack of avoiding action on the part of the green Cadi at Silverstone. When the blue car spun there was a great opportunity for the green car to dip around the back of him. It would have been an off track overtake, but the car in front was not in control and so it should have been fine. Also, the final incident, while you expect someone to NOT drop an anchor on the racing line into a fast corner, there was time to at least try to swerve around him on the inside of the corner and just follow the black car through. I would mostly judge that video as Insufficiently Opportunistic Racing on the part of the green car.
I would say it was the retaliation from the green for the Vale incident
“i’m a certified flasher”
- Jimmy Broadbent, 17:51
Jardiers 5 second penalty was removed on appeal!
I grew up in the 80s riding a Honda 125 3-wheeler with no helmet or any other protective gear. I had a blast but that damn thing was unstable as hell. It got up on 2 wheels every single time you turned, would flip over if you just looked at it funny and had a terrible tendency to bounce then flip ass over teakettle. They needed to do something to mandate that 4th wheel.
I think blue MX-5 was literally just following the guided line without looking at space but MX-5 behind was at fault regardless
20:59 i had a whole discussion about this one on the subreddit especially about leaving space i'm glad you agree it was a sqeeuze
Most underrated part is that the Aston in the first clip is "Lord Vlad V" (presumably Vlad Von-carstein).
My response was "Oh ffs! 😂". Jimmy's was a bit more SFW. 😅 14:38
I saw a third incident in that second clip...the black car with the yellow roll cage went off track to pass (reacting to what was going on in front of him) without giving the position back! If only Jimmer would appear in the comments to pass judgement on this move!
Wait, do the stamps say "You're not at fault" and "They were at fault"? Everyone who submits a clip is innocent. Yaaaay! 😂
If you wanna understand how a GT car carries speed and takes lines around a track, just get in a GT car.. you’ll understand after like 2 laps.. and vice versa for Gt car drivers wanting to understand Lmp/hyper cars/etc
Second guy is the prime example for why some people recommend not using the racing line. Guy just blindly sticks on his line and doesnt have any awareness whatsoever of the cars around him.
The craziest thing in this video is realizing there are people playing Forza Dumpster sport still.
16:00 the comments of that video suggest that this was after the race finished
I'm the Players car. I was braking but saw him coming and panicked. Car was damaged and I tried to turn to the inside and locked the brakes. Honestly... not my best moment. I should have accelerated but with the rear view FOV, it was like... slowing down... OH SHIT.
Protest was successful for intentional wrecking, if it helps.
@@Synystr7 amazing how much difference a little context can make
@@shimassi9961 And my fault for not supplying it properly in the original post. LOL
That such minor things can turn into full-blown penalties and judgements is such a downer for new racers. You can be going through a turn doing everything right and then some guy tries to pull alongside, bumps you and dies, then you've got people saying you did this and that wrong. I've never seen another esport where you're expected to protect your opponents from themselves like this. If you've given someone enough room that should be all that's required. If someone decides to send it through a corner to try and get round you and ends up evaporating then that's on them.
about prototype and gt collisions, the simple rule (just like in real life) is that GT's just follow the racing line, and its up to the prototype to for overtaking it correctly. ofcourse if the prototype is already next to it, than a GT car just cant turn in. but that are mostly in slow speed sections. important with this type of races that you need a bit of patience and time it correctly. even though i wasnt the outright fastest with prototypes, i saved a ton of time with this. in case i was in a GT car I kept my eyes in the mirrors aswell, I would already position my car a little bit more clear just to indicate to the prototype behind me where he should pass me. it is working together really aswell, just to make sure you both not crash and not loose time otherwise.
17:52 - I am a certified flasher - Jimmy Broadbent probably like the 11th or 12th Dec 2023
Seeing the flashing lights made me laugh on the caddy one. I used to help run an Iracing league a few years ago and the amount of people that would claim it was very intimidating, with one guy claiming it was more so than a boardroom meeting (and he was a up the food chain a fair way too).
Yeah as soon as I saw the flashing I knew exactly what kind of knobhead was behind the wheel
13:35 Maybe he got banned because the black car is the admin and never saw the white car on the inside 😅
Edit: Before you comment, always watch to the end! ^^
Reactionary defending, had a guy do that to me on public roads as I was coming up on him, he darts into my lane, no signal, then again when I signalled and smoothly changed lanes, didn't even glance over when I pulled along side him at a stop, But he did want to try and drag race me, and lost, I slowed for a car ahead in my lane and he passed after a few seconds, and proceeded to dart between traffic with no signals. Wow.
I will say with the Jardier incident, whilst he's a little wide of the apex, that apex has a nasty arse sausage kerb that's pretty lethal if you catch it wrong.
In qualifying I'd push right up against it, but in races I tend to give it a bit of a wide berth as it can easily unsettle the car and throw you into the gravel. Side by side it's also probably wise to avoid as get it wrong and you'll crash into the car next to you anyway
18:28 had a pride car explains why they weren’t driving straight
The first one the reason he kept going straight is because Forza physics. You either cant turn at all on the grass or you immediately spin. Dont ask how i know...
Jardier: have seen overlaps like that with no netcode issues, acc is far better than about anything there. Car on the outside turned in too hard imo - if jardier had pushed him off at the exit ( might have happened ), different story.
Last one, no matter how half-arsed that was there was still quite an overlap before the corner, wasn't like the macca poked his nose in late, the beemer just turned in anyway. He could have pinned the mclaren on the outside & kept the position through all the following right handers.
1st one was a shoulder from the Lambo.
23:10 wrong stamp for that incident. Stamp says "You're not at fault" audio says "you would probably end up getting penalized for that"
0:14 Although the Merc messed up a LOT - first he got out of shape in Arrabiata2 and then he forgot to defend before Scarperia - the Lambo's slight move to the right while exiting Palagio looked a bit intentional. If that was the case, the Lambo deserved a penalty for causing a collision.
What I'm learning, nobody knows how to actually race.
For the first clip other than the weird FM steering physics mentoined by others, I could see the game giving a time penalty for a direct rejoin there. I've experienced it before where Ive been pushed off track just from heated racing and been given a time penalty even though it wasnt my fault for being of track. The off track penalty is a bit borked so the amg may have been trying to avoid that.
I had so many of these kind of run me off the circuit incidents this week 13. I had the run on a guy coming out of a corner, was safely alongside in the middle of the road. Then he pushed me towards the right side of the track and just kept pushing off the road! Hate week 13 D:
Holy moly, how the leader in the first clip isnt banned yet is beyond me. His name basically says 88 18 which is code HH AH. I probably cant even spell this out here without getting banned by RUclips.
You are awesome. I love your combination of deep racing knowledge and humor!
doing a race steward series in forza is like trying to jail chimps in the jungle for ripping each others faces off......just nature being nature
11:10 as far as I'm aware, the black Aston was rotating into the corner due to driver inputs and not due to netcode. At this level the 'meta' in ACC currently is to run zero traction control. Which for a GT3 car simulator is dumb as hell, but that is the fastest way to drive the cars at the moment at that kind of level. The aliens are more insane than usual.
I think Jimmy got the last one wrong. Was it a half-hearted move? Yes, but why does that matter. The rules don't say "All attempts to overtake must be full send." LOL! However, they do say that you have to leave space. The inside car had plenty of overlap so that's not in question, and it's not their fault if the other driver had poor situational awareness. If you're on a single screen, you need to use a spotter, use your mirrors, and/or map look left and right buttons.
jardier isnt even wide id say because if he uses the inside curb there he will get thrown into the black car making them both crash
That yellow car at around the 5:00 mark never had a viable gap, even if the red car hadn't moved over. The track was narrowing ahead. Should taken the left side.
Damn, Fisting and slapping. Feeling alittle kinky today, aren't we?
Jokes aside, Alot of close ones in this. Not as many clear cut ones (Which were mostly with the multi class cars). Seems like the message of being the responsible car making the pass is STILL not getting through to some, feel like some people spend more time looking at what THEY can do through a corner far less at what others can do (which is an extension of my belief that people don't treat races as races, more as one big extended time trial session).
22:04 Jimmer im sorry but have you gotten a bit of Ganja in your british Tea ? Hes ON the inside Curb holding his line - if it works it ain't stupid.
2:29 I'm going to assume here that the blue car (William Chen3) is using the racing line driver aid based on their movements. Yes the car behind was at fault like Jimmer pointed out but they are most certainly paying more attention to staying on the line, than where the other cars are around them. In my opinion.
I think those were all called pretty well, except the last one. Totally disagree on that one. McLaren may be giving it a poor attempt here(in the sense of the realities of Sim Racing), but he is well alongside into the corner and is hugging the apex very well. BMW turns in on him, that is absolutely on the BMW who just has to give the room, and if that means he has to get out of the throttle, well then that is that way. Tough noogies. McLaren is not at fault at all.
@12:12 the car is 3 wheels off track. Only 2 are allowed
Just an FYI for future videos. Most of the tracks on forza have their limits set to the outside edge of the kerb. Doesn't make much of a difference in the clip where you elaborated about it but just for future reference. Forza is MUCH more generous than f1 and I've been talking full advantage lol
15:15 😂 your face once you realised what you said
Just wanted to note that a lot of the verdict stamp effects for when the poster was at fault said they were not at fault.
Why the hate towards LMP3s. They're great to drive, imo.
But all great to see these videos. I, as a steward in our simracing community, like the way you approach these incidents.
I see a bright future as an FIA Steward.This sport needs you 👌
7:42 imma have to disagree with the verdict on this one... Protag-kun just dive-bombed with no hope of hitting the actual apex and staying on-line. The blue car was actually angled into the turn and wasn't about to go flying off the other side like black&red
BMW is 100% at fault in that last clip. The inside car is on the kerbing when the BMW turns into him. The BMW was driving as if the inside car wasn't even there. Probably because he's trying to follow the exact line of the car in front of them both. You can argue it's a crap move by the inside car, I'd argue that's irrelevant. The car on the inside still hit the apex and is seemingly still able to hold that line. Until, of course, the BMW just turns across him as if he wasn't even there.
I think the white BMW is a textbook case of a hotlapper hotlapping in a race. They are just trying to go as fast as they can regardless of the existence of others right alongside them.
Thanks for the great content Jimmer - I disagree with the last one. That move is fine there, it was executed so poorly the poor guy never had a chance to complete the overtake. Best case scenario he gets a better line into the corner, uses all of the curb and some grass, and (if needed) gives a lift as to make sure he doesn't hit the car to his right. They would end up side by side into the next turn and pov likely wont be able to go around the outside. Not a great spot to pass without a mega run.
1:26 your wrong. Car on inside was already by. White car becomes the passer who must pass cleanly. Instead he hits the blue car in a blind spot.
11:51 "Slide job! Slide job!"
3:47, also "Racing Line On Behavior" paying more attention to "sticking to the racing line" than sticking to YOUR line, as the guy behind has a run. Red's at fault for not backing out. Blue. Turn the bloody racing line off and don't stick to it like glue, don't clear yourself on the noses of those behind. and end up turnt.
11:44, Agree, hard racing. Car on outside made their own grave.
15:41, Good pause here Jimmer. Y'all if the car in front of you spins. DONT CONTINUE TO DRIVE INTO THEM. [/which our daft Caddy does .-.;;;]
18:55,. Aiyah ugh Jimmer I remember you getting clobbered here in ye'olde nissan GTP ZX-Ts vs an audi. The audi was on the clueless side of things with you barreling down and his defense was "That's my racing line" as he more or less came to the right and blocked you as you were keeping right. -- ideally, as the faster class, keep in mind which side the upcoming corner is, and set yourself up to be on the inside, the slower class will want the outside racing line, eventually giving you that inside line to get past. (19:45, ayyyy~~~)
12:36 wow... this guy must be driving with high ABS if he can brake wayyy before the 150m board and still go deep
Congratulations, Jimmy and the rest of the team you have accomplished so much this season.
GTPs trying to pass GTs in the kink at Road America are complete effing idiots. That is a flat out, zero room for correction corner. GTs either make it or they go off at racing speed but it gives me anxiety at how many faster class cars act like they are lords of racing and have the right to pass you at any point they wish. So infuriating at their god complex considering there is a long straight in which they will easily pass the GTs just a couple seconds later.
Also the blue car in the second clip needs to turn the damn racing line off. He sticks to it which in my opinion contributed heavily to the wreck. He might not have even been paying attention because the line is telling him how to drive.
The apex to the penultimate corner at Kyalami is a landmine, I don't think it's reasonable to expect Jardier to be closer to it, there was only about a tires width he could have been closer without crashing into the outside car. Racing incident as the car on the outside did not leave enough room for the car on the inside.
Iracing should make a rule like, if who caused the crashed flashed the light before do such a dumbass move, it will be "an insult to injury" and make his punishment harsher.. Is becoming out of control recently
As a big multi class league racer, that caddy into the Ferrari should result in jail time, and is exactly why a lot of people shouldn’t be allowed near a prototype
During the 1st clip the AMG could have made a better decision (aswell as the lambo) but unfortunately once your slick hits the sand Then onto the grass ( watch the ass end lol its is kicking to the left due to the throttling on the grass/sand you cant just turn directly onto the track in that short time it dropped 2 gears with the kick out while still accelerating. It drops to 68 MPH but goes back up to 70 and RPMs were still climbing) he wasn't getting any front end grip probably being thats where the hit can in . After contact probably should have just dropped the throttling stay of the brake an get front together.
In the Indy one, I don’t think the red car was going to make the corner
Should do one titled, "did Forza motorsport get it right?"
On clip 2. The Miata’s. The blue car is at fault. Something must of happened prior to the video clip for him to be that slow. When you get passed that quickly on the left and then right four wide you are off pace. The third car was carrying momentum like you have to doin the Miata’s and the blue car drifted into him
I think for the Audi Touring car one, it looks like the blue car is trying to go for the switch back but the Audi on the inside just stops on the apex and isnt really turning into the corner. So i would put it as a racing incident as the Audi is nearly perpendicular to the corner at the apex and is going very slow.
I'd say for the two audi's (red & blue), it's more of a racing incident due to the fact that the red had been physically penalised.
It was great racing until the point of impact on the left hander at the main point contact, we are interested in.
Red car brakes late, outbraking himself, yes all be it ahead of the blue car. If you look at the angle of turn in, there is no way for him to make that turn cleanly. He has come in too shallow to the apex. Causing him to drive in straighter trajectory.
Could the blue car give him more room? I think so. Hence, why I'd say it's more of a racing incident. Both drivers are at fault, with red outbreaking himself and with an incorrect angle to take the corner, and then blue, not leaving more room.
4 minutes in the blue is Def at fault. If the contact didn't happen there it would have happened hundredths later since his line is cutting to that kink on the left and there's already barely room for a car on the left
1:00 "u dont make any atempt to drive back into course " thats forza all right lol the any part of the track has some gorilla glue on to it
This is really simple! The Aston Martin is completely at fault. The Inside car was ahead, racing a proper line and did not deviate. The Aston Martin initiated the contact and ,as a result, put himself in the grass. The inside driver just filled in the space vacated by the Aston Martin. The Martin wasn't pushed, always had plenty of room before the contact was made... just poor driving on the part of the Aston Martin
In 3:40, I think the blue car is at fault. Because there is a corner that is almost not a corner but you have to steer a bit to the left there. And I think there red car thought that and did not go to the left fully. If he have done that he may not be able to go side by side with the blue car so left a bit of a space to the left there to properly pass from there. However, blue car sees that red car coming but still keeps turning into the red car like it is not there. And also a reactive move. So blue car is at fault for me.
Most of the stuff is comon sense, so i am really worried that people truly dont know. 😢
Enjoy the addition of hotly debated incidents as well! Some solid infotainment
Many Many incidents are for me controversy, special when someone hit you from behind to kick you out and you loose SA this is unfair
I kinda don't agree with the last clip (GT4s @ Zandvoort). The McLaren is always at the white line. BMW seems to misjudge and turn in too much. Not really racing online often but I think making moves is not only about overtaking but also to make the guy in front a bit compromised to prepare the overtake.
9:42 is easy, during the slow frame, you see the blue car not move his angle of turn the entire turn. Like not even a hair. He planned his move at the START of turning and kept out through all the way. The black cat you can see go left and right and left and right, an obvious sign of him being the only one making changes to his turning. Therefore he at fault for picking the one that causes collision as is clear the other driver had no input in that
I love this Sim Racing Stewards series Jimmer, had me in stiches mate 👍
idk that Jardier clip I don't see how anyone could see that and think that Jardier was at fault. I can see an argument for it being no fault racing incident but I think that what it looks like to me is a situation where that black car is the one at fault but his bad choice ended up only really hurting himself so it feels weird to put him at fault. But the black car turned into Jardier and if you look at the point where the contact forced the cars apart there was still plenty of space with in the track limits for black to be able to drive which may not have been his preferred racing line but you can't just force yourself into people especially when you are technically behind the person (although probably close enough to be called side by side). That being said I'm a complete amateur so maybe it's more nuanced than that but that's just what common sense tells me.
You should do real life controversal incidents (f1)i think it would be good hearing your opinion
With the last one you could definitely tell the driver is very non-confrontational and has low confidence in their abilities, both in the caption and in the driving. Staying off the racing line trying not to get in other people's way. Its a race Gary, get in there and be competitive. Also, its a game! It's okay to make mistakes and to miss the shots you take, but at least take those shots.
Forza would be so much improved with a radar. Just put it in the game, goddammit, so at least the people actually trying to race CAN.
Jardier missed the apex, therefore he should be penalised and have his name dragged through the mud.
Silverstone 2021 apparently warranted it
Two corners that could not be more different if they tried.
One was a corner that Jardier reached the apex first for, and the other driver turned into him AFTER the apex. Also, the risk of cataclysmic damage with such an incident is virtually non-existant. Jardier also barely missed the apex AT ALL, to the extent that it virtually made zero difference to whether the contact could be attributed to him. EVEN THEN, Jardier didn't leave a lot of room on the outside, so even with all these mitigating circumstances the contact may have happened regardless.
Versus washing to the whole OTHER SIDE of the circuit into a car holding their line, not even attempting to make the corner properly, into the BACK of the car ahead, all way before the apex. Lewis didn't make a move, didn't gain a position to edge ahead and have ANY entitlement to space on the inside, and there was plenty there too.
Jardier and the other driver had SO MUCH more of a right to their positions than Lewis had to barge his way into the inside of Max.
The scale of the "mistake" is not even of the same magnitude, so the comparison is IMO very dishonest.
All the teasing before the British GP about a coincidental possibility of Max's 30+ point lead being cut down due to DNF also makes me HIGHLY skepical of the accidental nature of the crash.
Has anyone ever driven a f430 are they really as good as in the sims like you can't spin that thing and you can drive it so hard is ridiculous
Red car was at fault, but I get why the blue car asked the question. He is a novice still using the racing line and he got so busy following it I don't think he was aware of what was around him.
4:45 they're both at fault because they could have easily avoided this, especially considering it was Lap 1
Daaammmnn I didnt know Messi does racing now
This is exactly what I need rn
23:04 is he at fault or not? Stamp says no words say yes?
" More Practice."