IK you might not see this, but I LOVED DW8 Empires. It was such a fun romp for a sandbox DW experience. Sure it had flaws and could be rough and dull from time to time, but the sheer amount of raw, unfettered, customization, was where it well and truly shined. You could make custom characters, campaigns, factions, set up custom battles with any character you want (which in my opinion should be a universal free battle mode in ALL Dynasty Warriors games, even the regular ones and XL, its a simple concept), and the DLC was fine too. I loved making up cute little storylines as I played the game, and it was all in all a great experience. I believe I made a game campaign where you played as the crusaders versus the generic sultanate, and the crusaders were typically disadvantaged but as they were THE disadvantaged faction, you were meant to play as them and carve your way through the campaign map.
I do like DW8 really, it's a fun to create so many storylines and scenarios. But I HATE that you need to unlock every single character personality by playing through the game multiple times through different weaves and paths. Granted this might make for a great way to fashion "origin stories" for your customs, but there's just so much repeated playings you can go through before you ask yourself "Why am i doing this?"
I thought the Empires formula in the DW9 open world had potential to be amazing. A huge, dynamically shifting map and battles would be so cool. Too bad it will never happen...
Given how huge the open world is, and how little there is to do in it, Dynasty Warriors 9 just might become a truly memorable experience - once skilled modders have the opportunity to flesh out the game with actual content. Imagine Dynasty Warriors: Skyrim. It doesn't all have to be serious content, either. I'm picturing a scenario where Xiao Qiao challenges the player to a gliding contest, climbing to the top of the game's tallest peaks and then seeing how far they can fly using fan weapons for wings. (These are Chinese superheroes, so why not?) Epic rewards for those who can land on a watchtower, and a teasing for landing in water instead. Minigames like this can add character to any open world experience. The world is there for people to play with. Koei themselves might be able to use this open world as the basis for the next Orochi title, now that I think of it.
I remember the interview they had before, "due to fans asking for the return of the open world in Empires even though it was going to be dropped initially". Which means they weren't quite sure how to shoehorn it in and it absolutely feels like an afterthought. Good point. Your character should not be in defensive battles in where you are not stationed. Maybe if you selected the secret plan for allied reinforcements, succeed and your character appears, the game can ask if you want to switch characters.
Yup, and honestly if you are going to do it you should really do it right...It's like they are just trying to grind out a self-fulfilling prophecy so that they can drop the series that's what's wrong with this whole thing
@@pedroserena2234 It's very interesting when you remember that no one liked it for DW9, but I suppose they thought that Empires could of done it better....and the team had no idea what to do with it.
Things that the devs need to do to improve the DW series: 1. Open world is fine, but take world design lessons from the Elder Scrolls games, and make the environments rich if you're going to do it that way. 2. With the Empires games, allow us to manually choose where to deploy each unit, allow us to customize objectives required to activate an ambush at set locations, and let us choose the primary and secondary unit types of said units. Take some inspiration from Age of Empires' own scripted conditions, and let players have some degree of choice in such matters, with balance in mind. 3. Actually look at player feedback, and take the top 5 things that were most well-received and incorporate them into each future installment. 4. Get some feedback from the game designers of the Atelier series and get ideas for things that will actually engage the player when they aren't in a battle. 5. Change up the visual style from time to time. 6. TAKE YOUR GOD DAMN TIME and fix as many kinks as possible while improving visual fidelity. Change the engine to Unity or Unreal if you have to.
I wanna add The game is great have some great new features but also so many bug and terrible features Good new features : -have special interaction between a family or a love ones -have a parents syst -have a great design from combination of two characters from parents Bad or some bug features : -To many cut scene in the battlefield (zoom to an officers or creation officers when they finally meet) -Can slow mo attack on all enemies (finishers makes the battle and time taking to long) -in chaos mode it is almost impossible to win (enemies have a very high health even with your high level and an epic artifacts it wont help) -your base might not survive (your allies cant even defend one base) -Your officers might stand still not doing anything (your command on the officers still doesn't do anything, but only the accompanying will work) -enemies to much respawning (very annoying they just keep respawning even in at 100 Morales in the enemy team) -Sometimes the horse just stuck to an invincible wall when there is no wall there
As a fan since DW2, it makes me so sad to see just how far this series has fallen. Koei truly doesn’t care…remember when you could edit the opening and ending with characters you chose? Glory days…
@@ZachASports The first Empire game I played. I was so amazed I played it for almost 36 hours in the span of a weekend and had withdrawals for a week after, not playing it since my game was at my father's place xD
A good objective review of the game, I've personally never touched Dynasty Warriors 9 let alone this Empires version, but I can see where your criticisms are valid and agreeable
I was intrested because its been awhile since I bought a Empires game. But after just half of this review im thinking this has become just another game sacrificed to corporate greed. The corners cut and lack of actual content to replace content not present makes it feel like they are giving this the sports game treatment.
I played Dynasty Warriors 9, was pumped to show it off to my friend who is as big of a fan as me of the franchise. 1 hour of play time and we were hysterically laughing on how bad the game looked on the PS4 Pro. So same day I went back to the shop and traded it with a better game.
I am a fan of Nobunaga's Ambition and Romance of Three Kingdoms so when I heard about the Empire games I got excited. I kept debating about whether I should get 8 Empires because it's $20 or waiting till 9 Empires dropped. Thanks to your review I think I will just stick with 8.
My biggest disappointment with the open world is just they went for a story A to Z when the open world is the perfect opportunity for well a non historical things that we will see in empires game or dw8 hypothetical path Also koei cutting corners with the recent rotk nobunaga dw and sw games like yeah it can be felt Other than dynasty warrior disappointment nobunaga ambition taishi was even bigger for me the power up kit seemed more complete and better but no English so welp it doesn’t even matter
Imagine if you could see enemy armies marching to battle and ambush them or you had to travel with your own army when you wanted to attack and defend against ambushes
Actually... Thats whats i expected when dw9 is announce to be open world the possibilities to control an army to plan ambushes and planning an attack to castle or send officers to do things like pillage raid and recruit. Dw9 is a wasted potential Tho if that happen the game will not be dw9 anymore :p (sorry for bad english about to sleep gn!)
One of my biggest issues with the Empires series despite them being my favorite of the warriors franchise. Is the DLC outfits that are resold in every game. They also seem to gut things from the game that made other empires games great. I honestly want them to go back to DW5E idea with strategy cards. Like for example ambushing or flooding certain maps. I feel like open world was a curse for them due to the lack of power on consoles.
They could have added Skirmishes where you attack the Whole region instead of the Castle (Castle would be second Battle to control it fully) the Skirmish would be big like as 16 vs 16 or maybe bigger, i guess that would have liked more people since the Staged map were good and the Castle sieges are fun too.
That’s a good idea. Then you can have a series of battles like how 9 does already. Like taking out their supply lines, important bases, landmarks, etc. lowering the city’s defense
What fans want and what Koei are capable/willing to add to the games are likely two very different things. An open world could be great, but they need to implement the features accordingly. In the base DW9, your actions never had consequences, so there was so no incentive to venture far beyond what was necessary for the quests. Why fight random brigands for bases that will serve no purpose. The stories of characters for DW9 were so linear, it would never have an impact. For Empires, the open world could have worked, but I doubt Koei has any intention of putting in the work necessary to make it a better experience. Yeah, you could tell a mile away that the main focus for this game was to pull people in with the CaW, offer limited basic features, and charge a bunch for DLC that has a mere fraction of the features that fans could imagine. That panda costume DLC is atrocious, many of the armors have big wings that look awful and are likely to clip through everything. The clothing options in the base game include knight armor, samurai armor, and more present-day school uniforms that hurt or kill the immersion of the world Empires games could create. They could have fixed some of these options easily, like why not include more armor designs centered around the character cards from DW Blast? That way, we could make our own renditions of said characters that will feel appropriate to the timeline of the events of the game? You could even include the lesser era-appropriate clothes and armor in DLC, where it can make sense to get a bit more creative. Heck, you could turn the character costumes into parts for CaW, allow people to edit the colors, and make a varied look that would be perfect for the game. You can do the costumes from the main game of DW9, or even do older games costumes. Fans of the series would probably have eaten that up. The Musou thing is no surprise since they went back to the long bar method. Musou attacks just become a continuous weapon swing animation with a slightly different ending attack; compared to the more unique musou attacks in DW7 and DW8, it would be nearly impossible to make many of these feel unique enough to warrant giving the option to change musous. FFS, they couldn't even bother to add new EX moves or musous to any of the DLC weapons either. So no matter what, if you use a DLC weapon, your musou and EX attacks will still be based on the original attack animations. But there I go, wanting things I know Koei lack the willingness to do for fans. It really sucks to like these sorts of games sometimes, since outside of the rare curiosity (and games like Sengoku Basara, Senran Kagura, and the FATE games) hardly anyone will go out of their way to make a game series similar to this style. While I want competition, what I really want are more games made with this style so I am not feeling like it is either DW or bust. Heck, I'd love to see this series bloom and reach its potential fully. Most of the fans' criticisms all come from a source that wants to see these games succeed. But for all of the lofty and ambitious ideas we have and share, we also need to be fully aware that Koei's focus is more on hashing together assets to make some money off of the people still willing to pay to support these games. I will likely get this game still in February (though with Lost Ark finally making its USA debut, and games like Elden Ring in the fray) I will have a hard time trying to justify my willingness to spend full price on this game. Sorry for a bit of a rant, since I know not many (or any) would read this, hope people enjoy the game regardless. If you don't buy it or wait for a sale, awesome, and that is the logical conclusion to take. Fun can be had here, but we are always, but we are mere ponies with Koei dangling a carrot on a string. No matter how much we pay to get it, we may never get the full experience we have in our heads.
to me the ideal Warriors Empires game is take everything from 8, add the removed "every character has a bow" mechanic from 4 back and the swimming and ladder climbing (the only 2 good things to come out of 6 imo), the best way the could incorporate an open world into that is by having it where, when out of planned battles, you can visit towns and cities in the section your capital is in (keeping the open worlds small but allowing for more to be within them from a content standpoint) and to sweeten alliance or trade negotiations you can ride to the location yourself, bringing a total of 2 generic officers or 1 major officer and their units with you for random bandit attacks.
To be honest, the stroll mechanic wouldve been better if it had either more activities you could do with someone, and/or having randomly generated battle activities happen when you choose to go out in the wild, that would count towards training or contributing merit. Like, it would be cool to move around and find a group of neighboring enemies attempting a sabotage, and you get affected if you ignore them/get defeated by them, and gain the favor of the people if you thwart them (like when you defend an area when being invaded). Another good thing wouldve been that increasing friendship with officers, they would give either their armor costumes, or armor based on them.
Thank you for this review. I am really hyped on getting this game mostly because of customization but hearing lacking of base costume pieces and having no customizable musou or possibly their special/ex moves I have decided not to get or probably get it later...as you suggested...on a price that it is actually worth. Hope they update the game and have making every oc in the game unique.
I knew it was going to be disappointing. I don't think they should've went for DW9 Empires after the unsuccessful formula of DW9 gameplay. They honestly could've done a Warriors Orochi Empire and that would've been amazing instead of trying to save DW9.
I think I'm going to wait to pick up DW9E. I've played a few hours of DW9, and it really isn't too bad, but it's been weeks since I've picked it back up again. It's much easier to play with the Japanese dialogue.
Koei really dropped the ball with DW9 and the Empire version , i really hoped they could pull the open world idea ,i guess we going back to the old DW format in the ''future''( if KOEI decides to not pull the plug on the whole thing who knows )
I guess my main question is whether it's better than DW8 Empires in any particular way, regardless of it still being DW9 at its core (which I understand they can't completely change at this point, until the next title). I heard they put in some event cutscenes from DW7 Empires that were removed from DW8 Empires so for me that's already a decent positive.
@@MrElite354 are you sure? From the sound of it, I'm going to probably stick with DW8E for a few more months and then purchase DW9E once they've made a few more updates and given out more DLC.
@@gseric4721 Yes, if you want edit options 8E is superior in that regard unless you really want pretty looking CAWs with 9E's system, otherwise I feel 9E has a better 'empires' feel than 8E does, where its far too easy and strategic elements like officer placements don't matter at all (which is also why most reviews neglect to mention this, 8E isn't really that good for a empires game for the actual empires part, so they compare it to 7E). In 9E players are forced to take these things in account, as well as bringing back classic style troop counts and officer placements as well as morale based on troop counts and officer types.
Just thought I'd jump in with that "you can't move yourself for some reason" statement. I found out that that's only the case during the war council every few months but when you choose to relocate your officers as part of a regular month, as long as there's at least one other officer in any one territory you can basically move anyone, including yourself, to any part of your empire that you desire.
Just my two cents: KT, if you wanna go full open world with your game, include action RPG elements in it like treasure chests with interesting stuff, perhaps learning other officers's musou attacks and skills when you meet them (e.g.: by winning a friendly spar) and the likes of that, otherwise, this system is going to be useless and boring.
At this point I think it’s safe to say that Omega Force’s work-for-hire games (they’re practically a Nintendo second-party studio now) are seriously cutting into their ability to deliver on Koei’s own titles. But that work-for-hire stuff is probably what’s keeping KT afloat, so what are you gonna do? At least Team Ninja seems to be able to keep delivering, FF Origins is going to be bonkers and I bet we’ll get another new Nioh-type game announced by the end of the year. Maybe they can apply the Nioh formula to RTK somehow.
Glad for this review I was wondering if I should get 9 empires but after hearing the cac problem with the clothing options, the battles themselves, etc I don't like the fact koei is going this route and I didn't get regular 9 because of the problems they didn't even try on the English VA Because they are greedy (yeah they were greedy before with all of 7s dlc Being dlc for 8 but still)
An achievement for literally not swinging your weapon at all and winning a battle is proof that DW7 Empires is still better than the rest i.imgur.com/64QZAOp.jpg Here's a list of all the cutscenes if you wanna know what I mean by repeats ruclips.net/video/DonZgkvyy6U/видео.html
@@Bloodlyshiva Round up all the enemy generals and kill them with poison. Then pray your boys push that morale swing and win. Few stages are way easier to do it on.
@@Bloodlyshiva When I did it on chaos, I was a bit of an even matched fight. I had setup a defense base to keep the enemy at their choke points while setting up catapults (With GUST) to hit bases, then run in and cap them. Once I have a good number I use March or Grand March to produce a ton of reinforcements and they went ahead and cleared the map for me with the help of the catapults
6:11 and 20:08 I'm glad you brought up the fact they decided they didn't want to spend money on voiceactors. Even back in DW9 normal a lot of people were giving a free pass for... no reason? Feels like I'm living in a simulation while I was playing it and everyone ignoring that. I didn't pay for 9E because no way in hell after how 9 turned out and disrespected us, but it was still bad. Overall between this and other games I think I'm not messing with Koei again despite basically growing up with them. Like, I'm still mad they had promised us English voiceacting on Twitter for DW8E and but had no intention of doing it. Now all this stuff with 9 and 9E.
Taiwan is on the map but not accessible as a territory, 0/10 game Jokes aside, great review. I think the disappointment is clear in your voice and tone, Koei cutting corners and pulling the Pokemon strategy of not carrying over features from past games, charging full price for a game that used to be $10-$20 less than the base game, and including that sweet, sweet overpriced DLC of OLD costumes should really make anyone think twice about paying this game. And that's not even factoring in the woes of DW9 itself or the whole English version debacle at release. Also, whoever took those pictures for this video is amazing! You should totally hire him.
The real problem with the game, and I know I'm screaming in the void with this, is that unlike DW6 this game did too many things and out of them only one was a good idea for an experiment. Not all of them, just the one. The open world itself. Granted, it would still sacrifice a ton of fidelity, framerate, it would have problems up the ass, hilarious imbalances with the items like you have demonstrated so many time to everyone's heart's content and meriness, the textures that seem to constantly be at odds with each other resulting in things like the textures for skin belonging to a PS3 game, the clothes belong to a blurry PS2 game and the environments...let's not talk about it. But if it tried only the open world, it wouldn't be so bad, we would still have all the movesets and systems from DW8, all the characters would have their unique weapons and the newer ones could get the DLC ones or the ones that were abandoned, they'd still be mechanically very advanced for warfare, they could equip two weapons or even if they didn't, every single one would be unique etc. The trigger attacks are clearly inspired by various other Musou-likes, particularily the Fate Extella games made by former Samurai Warriors developers, so it's no surprise that Samurai Warriors 5 managed to do the whole Action Trigger thing much better than DW9. The story would have taken a hit as well as the presentation but the idea of having the open world as a hub for sieges, testing different builds with the verticality and insanity present in open worlds would honestly be an ok experiment in hindsight. It would also fix some things in the Empires expansion IMO, as character creation wouldn't be as limited due to the very broken gameplay and physics system. DW9 is the Final Fantasy XIII of Koei, it sucked so much money, so many years of development went to shit and nothing came of it because neither the technology nor the knowledge to develop such technology was there. We had the Dragon Engine made for this game which might as well occupy the same space as the Crystal Tools and Luminous Engine of FF13 and FF15 and I doubt they'll recover easily, they're in the same phase SE was with FFXV many years ago as well and now the other venues that perform better will influence this product. I expect in the coming years, Dynasty Warriors 10 to have not only the stupid wuxia systems back like Strikeforce, not only for it to be a reboot like SW5, I expect it to adopt a gameplay style similar to SW5 and make it even crazier, just like FFXVI tries to overcompensate now and I expect it to be helmed by Tecmo guys instead of Koei guys as well, just like FFXVI is helmed by former Devil May Cry devs.
I actually took a look today and saw the price being like 30 bucks where i live. So i did order it cause i think thats the right amount of price for a game like this
Unfortunately, I am dropping the franchise, loved the ps2 era games, some of the favourites but now it's just a cash grab without actual effort behind. Dlcs are robberies and Empires were my favourite thing. I won't hesitate to drop a franchise if I don't see effort and have done it with Borderlands too. Sad coz I have so many great memories
Loved DW3 when I was much younger. It had arcadey-like sounds even though it would be categorized as a hack-n-slash genre, it seemed like a pivoting turn to the arcade beat-em-up style of games. That said, the empires games were quite interesting. DW6empires was where I got to see some of the customization and possibilities really take off. Then DW7E, which seemed like a step up, but they also dropped alot of the free-officer and other activities you could do. Then comes DW8E which minimizes it further, but they also added the option of having children in the game. Then comes this game where I never picked up DW9, but the open world seems like it could have a lot of potential. But I think Koei-Tecmo will get the wrong lession. The combat especially didn't impress me, and I think that's part of what the combat has partly become. Since the soldiers typically melt like butter, the combat revolves around the idea of passing right through them and moving on. Which could seem fun and cool, but also can be a detriment from how watered down it is. Speaking of empires games, it makes me wonder why they never bothered or considered adding SW4Empires to steam. Only to sony, and at best you'd have to get it through playstation network, until they shut that down and force people to pirate that product if they want a chance to play it. I don't know what the hell the Tecmo side is thinking in the Koei-Tecmo relation of the department, but the skimping out of features and details with the intention of later putting them in as DLC is just bad practice in bad faith. It will only result in further alienating people and killing off the franchise faster because there's not enough microtransactions.
I might drop Koei all together at this point. After samurai warriors 5 lack of content and now this travesty, what can Koei offer than reboots and rehashes? What’s worse is that we know they can do better since we see it with spin offs but the never apply that effort in their main line
They could always condense the open world , smaller open world areas , I mean a whole ass country probably wouldn’t be easy for any company, look at rockstar they have los santos and the just the surrounding area , to bad KT couldn’t have done that, that being said can’t wait for the first info on dw10
You can play 2 players on Dw 9 base game and online too don’t understand how people said you can’t since 8 when me and my friends literally played it our selfs people just hating on Dw 9 and lying about the game not having things when they do
Do you feel like you had a fonder time playing DW9 Empires than DW8 Empires? Never played DW7 Empires (due to not having a Playstation at all), so wanted to see how this game holds up against DW8 Empires.
@@Deadmare Can confirm, 8 Empires was THE ULTIMATE DEFINITIVE game in terms of customization of, well, everything! Officers (which is standard), troops (the army you usually hack through or fight with), ENTIRE CAMPAIGNS (its mostly just placing factions on the map and choosing the units that fill them, and you sadly cant add your own custom event battles or dialogue scenes, which is a shame but hey, whatevs), it just had...so much that made it beautiful.
I pre-ordered this before really knowing what it would be like, the Empires thirst was real. Still, I too have been playing the Empires games since DW4 and I will use this video as a way to sort of temper my expectations.
I would've loved the missions to return and be expanded on. They have a gigantic map, they have no excuse not to cut it like a lasagna and throw a generic mission objective into whatever chunk of land they want. Them allowing you to edit your children as soon as they are generated is a huge upgrade, but then also a huge downgrade with restriction to it being post game. The best campaigns are the ones that go on for 150-200+ turns, and it's a bummer that I can't have a kid partway through like 8E. I always complained about the outfit options in previous games, but never again. I wish they at least named the armors so I could try to make the intended matching outfits. The lack of custom scenarios is an insane bummer. The end game for me was to make enough custom characters to make a unique scenario, recreating orochi and company, remaking samurai warriors characters, etc. to make my own warriors orochi empires and such. Now there is nothing to reach for with the edit system besides children and titles.
I was on the fence as to whether to buy DW9E and my finances are very limited at the moment, I decided to save the €60 and maybe purchase at a later date. Thanks to this review, I’ll just save the €60 outright and decide to let DW die with DW9 (and what a dreadful way to die). I stopped buying RTK after XIII too. Tecmo Koei is such a dreadful company. They have been hashing out the same run-of-the-mill tut for the last decade. No real effort in anything and some of their best innovations and changes they later got rid of for terrible ones. Thanks so much. 😁👍
Sad that the only time they do a halfway decent job these days is when they pair with other devs that actually have pride in their work and won't allow TK to just dump all over their IP, like Hyrule Warriors, Persona Strikers, etc.
honestly dont know why they followed through with this game when dw9 was terrible. the open world definitely shows a lot of potential tho but i doubt koei will ever live up to it
The video quality and the game play seems to be about same as 20 years ago. For some games, 20 years bring literally night and day difference. This studio however..
I'm gonna buy it still bur hearing your disappointment makes me sad. Koei really isn't fulfilling their potential, at least for DW. At least they still do ROTK well. I hope they have good updates planned...
After so many years i still can't believe even after failing to deliver Dynasty Warriors 9 that they still are using the same engine. While a lot of these triple A title games have upgraded their engine Koei have been using the same engine for 10+ years. I will never go back to Dynasty Warriors UNLESS they remake Dynasty Warriors 2 with a new engine. That or someone else buys Dynasty Warriors title from Koei and makes it better then I might look into it again
Interesting review and probs wait for sale for me.. I miss the difficulty of DW games. Being able to just run through swathes of enemies, not get hit, push a few buttons and your weapon wipes the entire screen misses the mark for me. Also miss the uniqueness of characters and the fear factor of certain generals on different maps.
The game is great have some great new features but also so many bug and terrible features Good new features : -have special interaction between a family or a love ones -have a parents syst -have a great design from combination of two characters from parents Bad or some bug features : -To many cut scene in the battlefield (zoom to an officers or creation officers when they finally meet) -Can slow mo attack on all enemies (finishers makes the battle and time taking to long) -in chaos mode it is almost impossible to win (enemies have a very high health even with your high level and an epic artifacts it wont help) -your base might not survive (your allies cant even defend one base) -Your officers might stand still not doing anything (your command on the officers still doesn't do anything, but only the accompanying will work) -enemies to much respawning (very annoying they just keep respawning even in at 100 Morales in the enemy team) -Sometimes the horse just stuck to an invincible wall when there is no wall there
The cutscenes also sometimes happen infrequently as well you could be in the middle of fighting that officer then the cutscenes spawns out of no where. Another issue is when the secret plan cutscene starts while you are in the middle of an air combo resetting you and your enemy putting you at a disadvantage. I think another issue was I really had no personal incentive to use the open world feature of the game outside of decorating my hideaway.
I'm a fan of Samurai Warriors 5 and the Nintendo Warrior games, and I'd like to start Dynasty Warriors. I don't own playstation or xbox consoles. Should I get this?
Great video! I'm a huge Dynasty Warriors fan, but I have never tried an Empires game even though I always wanted. The main reason is that I cannot tell which one is the best of them, as I'm not sure I want to play all of them. Which would you recommend?
@@Janembu I played DW8E, and it has a ton of freedom when it comes to customising the game in general. You could customise your officers, and give them 3 different Musous, and these Musous can be from weapons that you aren't even using. You could customise the banner of your army, and the appearance of the soldiers in your army. You could customise your horse. You could even customise Scenarios.. For example, you can make a scenario of a fictional faction made by you, filled with your custom characters, and the other factions of DW would unite against it, or something. Personally, I haven't played DW9E, but people said that DW8E has more freedom in customisation in general than DW9E, and that one should wait for the price to drop before getting DW9E if they ever plan on getting it.
The fact that this series has gone BACKWARDS since DW7/8 is a absolutely unacceptable as a hardcore DW fan it makes me truly sad....well I'm stuck with DW8/DW8 empires
The best Dynasty Warrior game I've played the since Dynasty Warriors 7, is Age of Calamity, lol. And probably Samurai Warriors 5 in 2nd place. Those are good games imo, so it's weird that Koei has lost its grip on Dynasty Warriors to be fair. Hoping 10 does something similar to SW 5.
ok I thought this was a stream and was wondering what you were doing still up. do you sleep ? I mean yer up at 3 AM (12 hours ago) often enough also general support for Lu Bu Feng Xian. took me a while to write the comment. I am drunk right now =^-^=
I've played the hell out of DW8. Is it better than that? I see everyone else combining about features I honestly don't care about. I just want to go in and melt thousands of troops with my CC
Feels like Omega Force is out of steam the past years, either due to lack of ideas or wearing themselves thin while working on other projects. The gaps between DW and SW games are longer, and the end product is most often lukewarm. If even Empires, which is usually the one product with the replay value, has little to offer then I'm afraid for their future main titles.
What a bummer. Rarley do Dynasty Warriors games go on sale on xbox store and i was so close to buying it 35% off. I did not play any of 8 and very little of 7. Loved 3 & 4. Hearing all the bad i guess ill wait until 10
I feel like they were just trying to keep the series going, and personally I'm fine with them keeping the series on life support because we know they can deliver far better and if they have to put it on life support to make it better than ever later, I'm okay with that. But to talk about the game itself, it was doomed from the start due to the horrible combat changes made in dw9, to make it even remotely enjoyable they'd have had to HEAVILY emphasise strategy to the point where combat is the side attraction and it doesn't sound that they've done that, the customisation seems incredibly limited especially around movesets, to sum it up, I can't see any redeeming part of this game. I'll stick with 8 empires
I gave up on DW 9 after 20 hours, felt boring. Would this be more entertaining :)? Also did you think Spirit Of Sanada was better than SW 5? - I think xD
IK you might not see this, but I LOVED DW8 Empires. It was such a fun romp for a sandbox DW experience. Sure it had flaws and could be rough and dull from time to time, but the sheer amount of raw, unfettered, customization, was where it well and truly shined. You could make custom characters, campaigns, factions, set up custom battles with any character you want (which in my opinion should be a universal free battle mode in ALL Dynasty Warriors games, even the regular ones and XL, its a simple concept), and the DLC was fine too.
I loved making up cute little storylines as I played the game, and it was all in all a great experience. I believe I made a game campaign where you played as the crusaders versus the generic sultanate, and the crusaders were typically disadvantaged but as they were THE disadvantaged faction, you were meant to play as them and carve your way through the campaign map.
I do like DW8 really, it's a fun to create so many storylines and scenarios. But I HATE that you need to unlock every single character personality by playing through the game multiple times through different weaves and paths. Granted this might make for a great way to fashion "origin stories" for your customs, but there's just so much repeated playings you can go through before you ask yourself "Why am i doing this?"
dymasty warrior 8 empire is truly one of the best title in the series, though somehow i prefer the 6th
Can’t you do the same on 9?
Make Dynasty Warriors Great Again
MDWGA
Yes
Btw, they are planning on making the war aspect of the game more realistic, like say bladestrom
Yes we can
@@lubu523that’s boring 😢
I thought the Empires formula in the DW9 open world had potential to be amazing. A huge, dynamically shifting map and battles would be so cool. Too bad it will never happen...
this WAS their chance, but they got scared because people hating on open world
@@LuBuFengXian they judt dont havd the budget.
@@Chaoblahippo r.i.p the dynasty warriors series
Base DW9 should be Stage type gameplay
DW9 Empires should be Open World
But what they did is just other way around
Given how huge the open world is, and how little there is to do in it, Dynasty Warriors 9 just might become a truly memorable experience - once skilled modders have the opportunity to flesh out the game with actual content. Imagine Dynasty Warriors: Skyrim. It doesn't all have to be serious content, either. I'm picturing a scenario where Xiao Qiao challenges the player to a gliding contest, climbing to the top of the game's tallest peaks and then seeing how far they can fly using fan weapons for wings. (These are Chinese superheroes, so why not?) Epic rewards for those who can land on a watchtower, and a teasing for landing in water instead. Minigames like this can add character to any open world experience. The world is there for people to play with. Koei themselves might be able to use this open world as the basis for the next Orochi title, now that I think of it.
I remember the interview they had before, "due to fans asking for the return of the open world in Empires even though it was going to be dropped initially". Which means they weren't quite sure how to shoehorn it in and it absolutely feels like an afterthought.
Good point. Your character should not be in defensive battles in where you are not stationed. Maybe if you selected the secret plan for allied reinforcements, succeed and your character appears, the game can ask if you want to switch characters.
Yup, and honestly if you are going to do it you should really do it right...It's like they are just trying to grind out a self-fulfilling prophecy so that they can drop the series that's what's wrong with this whole thing
"Hey we want open world again for DW9 Empires!" - said no one ever
@@pedroserena2234 It's very interesting when you remember that no one liked it for DW9, but I suppose they thought that Empires could of done it better....and the team had no idea what to do with it.
Things that the devs need to do to improve the DW series:
1. Open world is fine, but take world design lessons from the Elder Scrolls games, and make the environments rich if you're going to do it that way.
2. With the Empires games, allow us to manually choose where to deploy each unit, allow us to customize objectives required to activate an ambush at set locations, and let us choose the primary and secondary unit types of said units. Take some inspiration from Age of Empires' own scripted conditions, and let players have some degree of choice in such matters, with balance in mind.
3. Actually look at player feedback, and take the top 5 things that were most well-received and incorporate them into each future installment.
4. Get some feedback from the game designers of the Atelier series and get ideas for things that will actually engage the player when they aren't in a battle.
5. Change up the visual style from time to time.
6. TAKE YOUR GOD DAMN TIME and fix as many kinks as possible while improving visual fidelity. Change the engine to Unity or Unreal if you have to.
I wanna add
The game is great have some great new features but also so many bug and terrible features
Good new features :
-have special interaction between a family or a love ones
-have a parents syst
-have a great design from combination of two characters from parents
Bad or some bug features :
-To many cut scene in the battlefield (zoom to an officers or creation officers when they finally meet)
-Can slow mo attack on all enemies (finishers makes the battle and time taking to long)
-in chaos mode it is almost impossible to win (enemies have a very high health even with your high level and an epic artifacts it wont help)
-your base might not survive (your allies cant even defend one base)
-Your officers might stand still not doing anything (your command on the officers still doesn't do anything, but only the accompanying will work)
-enemies to much respawning (very annoying they just keep respawning even in at 100 Morales in the enemy team)
-Sometimes the horse just stuck to an invincible wall when there is no wall there
As a fan since DW2, it makes me so sad to see just how far this series has fallen. Koei truly doesn’t care…remember when you could edit the opening and ending with characters you chose? Glory days…
I loved doing that in DW 4 XL
Holy shit the memories
✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼✊🏼
At this point they only care about the spinoffs :/
Look in the gallery, you can edit the scenes you unlocked.
Dynasty warriors 5 was the best one hands down. I wish they’d go back to that concept nd give players back their original weapons
DW5E is arguably the best game in the entire DW franchise, it was perfect
@@ZachASports
The first Empire game I played. I was so amazed I played it for almost 36 hours in the span of a weekend and had withdrawals for a week after, not playing it since my game was at my father's place xD
Member when everyone had the ability to collect arrows during battles 😭😭
DW3*
dynasty warriors peaked at dw3-dw5 after that... the franchise died...
A good objective review of the game, I've personally never touched Dynasty Warriors 9 let alone this Empires version, but I can see where your criticisms are valid and agreeable
Mmmm
Are you THE guy without a mustache? When did you change your profile picture?
I was intrested because its been awhile since I bought a Empires game. But after just half of this review im thinking this has become just another game sacrificed to corporate greed. The corners cut and lack of actual content to replace content not present makes it feel like they are giving this the sports game treatment.
I played Dynasty Warriors 9, was pumped to show it off to my friend who is as big of a fan as me of the franchise. 1 hour of play time and we were hysterically laughing on how bad the game looked on the PS4 Pro. So same day I went back to the shop and traded it with a better game.
I am a fan of Nobunaga's Ambition and Romance of Three Kingdoms so when I heard about the Empire games I got excited. I kept debating about whether I should get 8 Empires because it's $20 or waiting till 9 Empires dropped. Thanks to your review I think I will just stick with 8.
8 Empires is unironically good, so that's a good choice.
My biggest disappointment with the open world is just they went for a story A to Z when the open world is the perfect opportunity for well a non historical things that we will see in empires game or dw8 hypothetical path
Also koei cutting corners with the recent rotk nobunaga dw and sw games like yeah it can be felt
Other than dynasty warrior disappointment nobunaga ambition taishi was even bigger for me the power up kit seemed more complete and better but no English so welp it doesn’t even matter
In europe they want 70 Euro for the game on PC, which is the equivalent of almost 80 USD. KOEIs idea if pricing is just absolutely insane/insidious.
But they're worth it timeless fun
"OH no, it is Lu Bu, he as come to review our game!"
Koei
Imagine if you could see enemy armies marching to battle and ambush them or you had to travel with your own army when you wanted to attack and defend against ambushes
Actually... Thats whats i expected when dw9 is announce to be open world the possibilities to control an army to plan ambushes and planning an attack to castle or send officers to do things like pillage raid and recruit. Dw9 is a wasted potential
Tho if that happen the game will not be dw9 anymore :p (sorry for bad english about to sleep gn!)
As soon as I heard you couldn’t customize Musuos, my hype died down by a lot
Thats sucks! I remember using dong zhou jump mosuo as a spirit bomb in dw8E (vita) to my goku custom character haha
Same here
Honestly though, this keeps you from spamming the OP ones, I guess, but that's definitely a downer for me :(
One of my biggest issues with the Empires series despite them being my favorite of the warriors franchise. Is the DLC outfits that are resold in every game. They also seem to gut things from the game that made other empires games great.
I honestly want them to go back to DW5E idea with strategy cards. Like for example ambushing or flooding certain maps.
I feel like open world was a curse for them due to the lack of power on consoles.
KOEI just lacks integrity. It's about the money and they've gotten kinda lazy over the years with the DW franchise.
They could have added Skirmishes where you attack the Whole region instead of the Castle (Castle would be second Battle to control it fully)
the Skirmish would be big like as 16 vs 16 or maybe bigger, i guess that would have liked more people since the Staged map were good and the Castle sieges are fun too.
That’s a good idea. Then you can have a series of battles like how 9 does already. Like taking out their supply lines, important bases, landmarks, etc. lowering the city’s defense
And koei can't make that happen. Koei is shit
Love the idea as I said before we the gamers have better ideas then the companys
What fans want and what Koei are capable/willing to add to the games are likely two very different things. An open world could be great, but they need to implement the features accordingly. In the base DW9, your actions never had consequences, so there was so no incentive to venture far beyond what was necessary for the quests. Why fight random brigands for bases that will serve no purpose. The stories of characters for DW9 were so linear, it would never have an impact.
For Empires, the open world could have worked, but I doubt Koei has any intention of putting in the work necessary to make it a better experience. Yeah, you could tell a mile away that the main focus for this game was to pull people in with the CaW, offer limited basic features, and charge a bunch for DLC that has a mere fraction of the features that fans could imagine. That panda costume DLC is atrocious, many of the armors have big wings that look awful and are likely to clip through everything. The clothing options in the base game include knight armor, samurai armor, and more present-day school uniforms that hurt or kill the immersion of the world Empires games could create.
They could have fixed some of these options easily, like why not include more armor designs centered around the character cards from DW Blast? That way, we could make our own renditions of said characters that will feel appropriate to the timeline of the events of the game? You could even include the lesser era-appropriate clothes and armor in DLC, where it can make sense to get a bit more creative. Heck, you could turn the character costumes into parts for CaW, allow people to edit the colors, and make a varied look that would be perfect for the game. You can do the costumes from the main game of DW9, or even do older games costumes. Fans of the series would probably have eaten that up.
The Musou thing is no surprise since they went back to the long bar method. Musou attacks just become a continuous weapon swing animation with a slightly different ending attack; compared to the more unique musou attacks in DW7 and DW8, it would be nearly impossible to make many of these feel unique enough to warrant giving the option to change musous. FFS, they couldn't even bother to add new EX moves or musous to any of the DLC weapons either. So no matter what, if you use a DLC weapon, your musou and EX attacks will still be based on the original attack animations.
But there I go, wanting things I know Koei lack the willingness to do for fans. It really sucks to like these sorts of games sometimes, since outside of the rare curiosity (and games like Sengoku Basara, Senran Kagura, and the FATE games) hardly anyone will go out of their way to make a game series similar to this style. While I want competition, what I really want are more games made with this style so I am not feeling like it is either DW or bust. Heck, I'd love to see this series bloom and reach its potential fully. Most of the fans' criticisms all come from a source that wants to see these games succeed. But for all of the lofty and ambitious ideas we have and share, we also need to be fully aware that Koei's focus is more on hashing together assets to make some money off of the people still willing to pay to support these games. I will likely get this game still in February (though with Lost Ark finally making its USA debut, and games like Elden Ring in the fray) I will have a hard time trying to justify my willingness to spend full price on this game.
Sorry for a bit of a rant, since I know not many (or any) would read this, hope people enjoy the game regardless. If you don't buy it or wait for a sale, awesome, and that is the logical conclusion to take. Fun can be had here, but we are always, but we are mere ponies with Koei dangling a carrot on a string. No matter how much we pay to get it, we may never get the full experience we have in our heads.
Not a rant. All you said is what fans want but koei simply too greed and to shit to deliver
to me the ideal Warriors Empires game is take everything from 8, add the removed "every character has a bow" mechanic from 4 back and the swimming and ladder climbing (the only 2 good things to come out of 6 imo), the best way the could incorporate an open world into that is by having it where, when out of planned battles, you can visit towns and cities in the section your capital is in (keeping the open worlds small but allowing for more to be within them from a content standpoint) and to sweeten alliance or trade negotiations you can ride to the location yourself, bringing a total of 2 generic officers or 1 major officer and their units with you for random bandit attacks.
Make Dynasty Warriors great again
To be honest, the stroll mechanic wouldve been better if it had either more activities you could do with someone, and/or having randomly generated battle activities happen when you choose to go out in the wild, that would count towards training or contributing merit. Like, it would be cool to move around and find a group of neighboring enemies attempting a sabotage, and you get affected if you ignore them/get defeated by them, and gain the favor of the people if you thwart them (like when you defend an area when being invaded).
Another good thing wouldve been that increasing friendship with officers, they would give either their armor costumes, or armor based on them.
Thank you for this review. I am really hyped on getting this game mostly because of customization but hearing lacking of base costume pieces and having no customizable musou or possibly their special/ex moves I have decided not to get or probably get it later...as you suggested...on a price that it is actually worth. Hope they update the game and have making every oc in the game unique.
I don't know if it's worth waiting for them to fix their game anymore. They delayed it for over a year and it still disappoint.
Rent from GameFly?? That’s what I’m gonna do
Koei never updates or fixes their games. It's a copy and paste company
@@VodKaSlam LoL
thanks for the review. i think this may be the first time I skip an empires game and i get the feeling im not the only one.
I knew it was going to be disappointing. I don't think they should've went for DW9 Empires after the unsuccessful formula of DW9 gameplay. They honestly could've done a Warriors Orochi Empire and that would've been amazing instead of trying to save DW9.
I think I'm going to wait to pick up DW9E. I've played a few hours of DW9, and it really isn't too bad, but it's been weeks since I've picked it back up again. It's much easier to play with the Japanese dialogue.
Good lord, an Orochi's Empire game could be really great. Put together their fused map and have fun with the whole thing.
We need Dynasty Warriors 5 Empires remaster / remake.
For me peak dynasty warriors empire is the 5th game in the series. Just the right blend of fighting and nation management.
yep same as the sw2 empire.
Koei really dropped the ball with DW9 and the Empire version , i really hoped they could pull the open world idea ,i guess we going back to the old DW format in the ''future''( if KOEI decides to not pull the plug on the whole thing who knows )
Maybe it is time to just put this series to rest before any more damage can be done to it
I guess my main question is whether it's better than DW8 Empires in any particular way, regardless of it still being DW9 at its core (which I understand they can't completely change at this point, until the next title). I heard they put in some event cutscenes from DW7 Empires that were removed from DW8 Empires so for me that's already a decent positive.
comparing to DW8E is not exactly fair, that's why I couldn't help but keep talking about DW7 Empires haha
@@LuBuFengXian I guess, but I can't play DW7 Empires on my PC (without emulation, that is), so...XD
It knocks 8E out of the water unless you really like the edit options it provides
@@MrElite354 are you sure? From the sound of it, I'm going to probably stick with DW8E for a few more months and then purchase DW9E once they've made a few more updates and given out more DLC.
@@gseric4721 Yes, if you want edit options 8E is superior in that regard unless you really want pretty looking CAWs with 9E's system, otherwise I feel 9E has a better 'empires' feel than 8E does, where its far too easy and strategic elements like officer placements don't matter at all (which is also why most reviews neglect to mention this, 8E isn't really that good for a empires game for the actual empires part, so they compare it to 7E). In 9E players are forced to take these things in account, as well as bringing back classic style troop counts and officer placements as well as morale based on troop counts and officer types.
Just thought I'd jump in with that "you can't move yourself for some reason" statement. I found out that that's only the case during the war council every few months but when you choose to relocate your officers as part of a regular month, as long as there's at least one other officer in any one territory you can basically move anyone, including yourself, to any part of your empire that you desire.
i think my life wouldve been fine without seeing Dong Zhuo dancing with fans xD
Just my two cents: KT, if you wanna go full open world with your game, include action RPG elements in it like treasure chests with interesting stuff, perhaps learning other officers's musou attacks and skills when you meet them (e.g.: by winning a friendly spar) and the likes of that, otherwise, this system is going to be useless and boring.
At this point I think it’s safe to say that Omega Force’s work-for-hire games (they’re practically a Nintendo second-party studio now) are seriously cutting into their ability to deliver on Koei’s own titles. But that work-for-hire stuff is probably what’s keeping KT afloat, so what are you gonna do?
At least Team Ninja seems to be able to keep delivering, FF Origins is going to be bonkers and I bet we’ll get another new Nioh-type game announced by the end of the year. Maybe they can apply the Nioh formula to RTK somehow.
That thumbnail though 🤣🤣 good review thanks dude 👍🏻
Glad for this review I was wondering if I should get 9 empires but after hearing the cac problem with the clothing options, the battles themselves, etc I don't like the fact koei is going this route and I didn't get regular 9 because of the problems they didn't even try on the English VA Because they are greedy (yeah they were greedy before with all of 7s dlc Being dlc for 8 but still)
I saw you having fun with it so i hope you'll still do some crazy play trough
An achievement for literally not swinging your weapon at all and winning a battle is proof that DW7 Empires is still better than the rest i.imgur.com/64QZAOp.jpg
Here's a list of all the cutscenes if you wanna know what I mean by repeats ruclips.net/video/DonZgkvyy6U/видео.html
....Ok, how would you even pull that off without the battle in question being hilariously one-sided in your favour?
@@Bloodlyshiva you don’t
@@Bloodlyshiva Round up all the enemy generals and kill them with poison. Then pray your boys push that morale swing and win. Few stages are way easier to do it on.
@@Bloodlyshiva When I did it on chaos, I was a bit of an even matched fight. I had setup a defense base to keep the enemy at their choke points while setting up catapults (With GUST) to hit bases, then run in and cap them. Once I have a good number I use March or Grand March to produce a ton of reinforcements and they went ahead and cleared the map for me with the help of the catapults
Dynasty warrior empire 7 is better got it.
6:11 and 20:08
I'm glad you brought up the fact they decided they didn't want to spend money on voiceactors. Even back in DW9 normal a lot of people were giving a free pass for... no reason? Feels like I'm living in a simulation while I was playing it and everyone ignoring that. I didn't pay for 9E because no way in hell after how 9 turned out and disrespected us, but it was still bad.
Overall between this and other games I think I'm not messing with Koei again despite basically growing up with them. Like, I'm still mad they had promised us English voiceacting on Twitter for DW8E and but had no intention of doing it. Now all this stuff with 9 and 9E.
good thoughts ily
Taiwan is on the map but not accessible as a territory, 0/10 game
Jokes aside, great review. I think the disappointment is clear in your voice and tone, Koei cutting corners and pulling the Pokemon strategy of not carrying over features from past games, charging full price for a game that used to be $10-$20 less than the base game, and including that sweet, sweet overpriced DLC of OLD costumes should really make anyone think twice about paying this game. And that's not even factoring in the woes of DW9 itself or the whole English version debacle at release.
Also, whoever took those pictures for this video is amazing! You should totally hire him.
Enjoyed your review.
Subbed.
The real problem with the game, and I know I'm screaming in the void with this, is that unlike DW6 this game did too many things and out of them only one was a good idea for an experiment. Not all of them, just the one. The open world itself. Granted, it would still sacrifice a ton of fidelity, framerate, it would have problems up the ass, hilarious imbalances with the items like you have demonstrated so many time to everyone's heart's content and meriness, the textures that seem to constantly be at odds with each other resulting in things like the textures for skin belonging to a PS3 game, the clothes belong to a blurry PS2 game and the environments...let's not talk about it.
But if it tried only the open world, it wouldn't be so bad, we would still have all the movesets and systems from DW8, all the characters would have their unique weapons and the newer ones could get the DLC ones or the ones that were abandoned, they'd still be mechanically very advanced for warfare, they could equip two weapons or even if they didn't, every single one would be unique etc. The trigger attacks are clearly inspired by various other Musou-likes, particularily the Fate Extella games made by former Samurai Warriors developers, so it's no surprise that Samurai Warriors 5 managed to do the whole Action Trigger thing much better than DW9. The story would have taken a hit as well as the presentation but the idea of having the open world as a hub for sieges, testing different builds with the verticality and insanity present in open worlds would honestly be an ok experiment in hindsight. It would also fix some things in the Empires expansion IMO, as character creation wouldn't be as limited due to the very broken gameplay and physics system.
DW9 is the Final Fantasy XIII of Koei, it sucked so much money, so many years of development went to shit and nothing came of it because neither the technology nor the knowledge to develop such technology was there. We had the Dragon Engine made for this game which might as well occupy the same space as the Crystal Tools and Luminous Engine of FF13 and FF15 and I doubt they'll recover easily, they're in the same phase SE was with FFXV many years ago as well and now the other venues that perform better will influence this product. I expect in the coming years, Dynasty Warriors 10 to have not only the stupid wuxia systems back like Strikeforce, not only for it to be a reboot like SW5, I expect it to adopt a gameplay style similar to SW5 and make it even crazier, just like FFXVI tries to overcompensate now and I expect it to be helmed by Tecmo guys instead of Koei guys as well, just like FFXVI is helmed by former Devil May Cry devs.
I actually took a look today and saw the price being like 30 bucks where i live. So i did order it cause i think thats the right amount of price for a game like this
Unfortunately, I am dropping the franchise, loved the ps2 era games, some of the favourites but now it's just a cash grab without actual effort behind. Dlcs are robberies and Empires were my favourite thing. I won't hesitate to drop a franchise if I don't see effort and have done it with Borderlands too. Sad coz I have so many great memories
Loved DW3 when I was much younger. It had arcadey-like sounds even though it would be categorized as a hack-n-slash genre, it seemed like a pivoting turn to the arcade beat-em-up style of games. That said, the empires games were quite interesting.
DW6empires was where I got to see some of the customization and possibilities really take off. Then DW7E, which seemed like a step up, but they also dropped alot of the free-officer and other activities you could do. Then comes DW8E which minimizes it further, but they also added the option of having children in the game. Then comes this game where I never picked up DW9, but the open world seems like it could have a lot of potential. But I think Koei-Tecmo will get the wrong lession. The combat especially didn't impress me, and I think that's part of what the combat has partly become. Since the soldiers typically melt like butter, the combat revolves around the idea of passing right through them and moving on. Which could seem fun and cool, but also can be a detriment from how watered down it is.
Speaking of empires games, it makes me wonder why they never bothered or considered adding SW4Empires to steam. Only to sony, and at best you'd have to get it through playstation network, until they shut that down and force people to pirate that product if they want a chance to play it.
I don't know what the hell the Tecmo side is thinking in the Koei-Tecmo relation of the department, but the skimping out of features and details with the intention of later putting them in as DLC is just bad practice in bad faith. It will only result in further alienating people and killing off the franchise faster because there's not enough microtransactions.
Warriors Orochi 3 Ultimate Musou Battlefield had the Attack Sounds from Past Dw Games.
and im here playing back dw 3-8 good old times 😂 spends hours everyday levelling, find weapon,items etc
Immediately get in and pressed like when I saw your id. Fan of lubu here!
I still can't play DW7 Empires because in my country is practically non-existent for PS3 (the only way I have to play it). So sad.
Miss the good old day of empires 💔 can't believe that with more advanced technology they keep getting worse 😒
I'm ready for DW10. lets move on
I might drop Koei all together at this point. After samurai warriors 5 lack of content and now this travesty, what can Koei offer than reboots and rehashes? What’s worse is that we know they can do better since we see it with spin offs but the never apply that effort in their main line
I hope modders make this game playable
So Just Get DW8 Empires?
So 8 Empires is still the better game. That’s good to know.
Subscribing because “It’s Lu Bu!!!”
They could always condense the open world , smaller open world areas , I mean a whole ass country probably wouldn’t be easy for any company, look at rockstar they have los santos and the just the surrounding area , to bad KT couldn’t have done that, that being said can’t wait for the first info on dw10
You can play 2 players on Dw 9 base game and online too don’t understand how people said you can’t since 8 when me and my friends literally played it our selfs people just hating on Dw 9 and lying about the game not having things when they do
Dw9 didn't have splitscreen coop until later, which was the main reason I skipped a dw game for the first time since i started with 5
Do you feel like you had a fonder time playing DW9 Empires than DW8 Empires? Never played DW7 Empires (due to not having a Playstation at all), so wanted to see how this game holds up against DW8 Empires.
empires 8 is way better from what i hear they cut out a lot of stuff that 8 had
@@Deadmare Can confirm, 8 Empires was THE ULTIMATE DEFINITIVE game in terms of customization of, well, everything! Officers (which is standard), troops (the army you usually hack through or fight with), ENTIRE CAMPAIGNS (its mostly just placing factions on the map and choosing the units that fill them, and you sadly cant add your own custom event battles or dialogue scenes, which is a shame but hey, whatevs), it just had...so much that made it beautiful.
I WOULD DIE for a Mount and Blade style open world, Dynasty Warriors game.
im still looking forward to it i just hope it dosnt crash all the time.
A lu bu mount and blade run would be kool
Like a phone call, because phones were common place in ancient China.
Thanks for the info!! Love empires games but I'm going to wait for a sale.
I pre-ordered this before really knowing what it would be like, the Empires thirst was real. Still, I too have been playing the Empires games since DW4 and I will use this video as a way to sort of temper my expectations.
Pre-ordering games before not knowing what it's going to be like is not a good decision.
@@Aarune_ exactly smh I learned that with cyberpunk lol
This is the review I wanted to see for the game, clearly a guy whose name is Lu Bu and 100%'d the game is gonna give the full picture lol
I would've loved the missions to return and be expanded on. They have a gigantic map, they have no excuse not to cut it like a lasagna and throw a generic mission objective into whatever chunk of land they want.
Them allowing you to edit your children as soon as they are generated is a huge upgrade, but then also a huge downgrade with restriction to it being post game. The best campaigns are the ones that go on for 150-200+ turns, and it's a bummer that I can't have a kid partway through like 8E.
I always complained about the outfit options in previous games, but never again. I wish they at least named the armors so I could try to make the intended matching outfits.
The lack of custom scenarios is an insane bummer. The end game for me was to make enough custom characters to make a unique scenario, recreating orochi and company, remaking samurai warriors characters, etc. to make my own warriors orochi empires and such. Now there is nothing to reach for with the edit system besides children and titles.
I was on the fence as to whether to buy DW9E and my finances are very limited at the moment, I decided to save the €60 and maybe purchase at a later date. Thanks to this review, I’ll just save the €60 outright and decide to let DW die with DW9 (and what a dreadful way to die).
I stopped buying RTK after XIII too. Tecmo Koei is such a dreadful company. They have been hashing out the same run-of-the-mill tut for the last decade. No real effort in anything and some of their best innovations and changes they later got rid of for terrible ones.
Thanks so much. 😁👍
Sad that the only time they do a halfway decent job these days is when they pair with other devs that actually have pride in their work and won't allow TK to just dump all over their IP, like Hyrule Warriors, Persona Strikers, etc.
Smart
Man I wish it had english dialog like dw6 empire...
Koei really needs some new people in their company.
Not even new to the industry, just to the company.
honestly dont know why they followed through with this game when dw9 was terrible. the open world definitely shows a lot of potential tho but i doubt koei will ever live up to it
At least now they can build upon it. I mean, if they cared enough to.
Lu Bu, which Dynastry Warriors girl is your favourite?
thats quite a talent to make game look like ps 3 title in 2023
This game has to be on a steam sale for at least half price before I even consider picking it up.
The video quality and the game play seems to be about same as 20 years ago. For some games, 20 years bring literally night and day difference. This studio however..
I'm gonna buy it still bur hearing your disappointment makes me sad. Koei really isn't fulfilling their potential, at least for DW. At least they still do ROTK well. I hope they have good updates planned...
After so many years i still can't believe even after failing to deliver Dynasty Warriors 9 that they still are using the same engine. While a lot of these triple A title games have upgraded their engine Koei have been using the same engine for 10+ years. I will never go back to Dynasty Warriors UNLESS they remake Dynasty Warriors 2 with a new engine. That or someone else buys Dynasty Warriors title from Koei and makes it better then I might look into it again
Master Lu Bu, great review. Very honest and fair.
Wondering how do we use rare weapons in the game? I can only use white blue and green.
when you get a new title you start getting better gem holders, and once you equip that your weapons and such will also rise in rank
@@LuBuFengXian appreciate it! Thank you!
Interesting review and probs wait for sale for me.. I miss the difficulty of DW games. Being able to just run through swathes of enemies, not get hit, push a few buttons and your weapon wipes the entire screen misses the mark for me. Also miss the uniqueness of characters and the fear factor of certain generals on different maps.
Thanks for the heads up,i'll get empire 8/ warrior orochi 3 ultimate instead
Where's the sick Touhou remix from?
Give me a dw4 or 5 remaster anyday - that would make my day
I think they should take DW8XLCE and use that as a blueprint for DW 10.
We don’t need an open world or a new combat system.
Hi Lu Bu. This game is Awesome n. Amazing n i just ove it
please use that Lubu picture as your profile pic. hahaha
I like this
The game is great have some great new features but also so many bug and terrible features
Good new features :
-have special interaction between a family or a love ones
-have a parents syst
-have a great design from combination of two characters from parents
Bad or some bug features :
-To many cut scene in the battlefield (zoom to an officers or creation officers when they finally meet)
-Can slow mo attack on all enemies (finishers makes the battle and time taking to long)
-in chaos mode it is almost impossible to win (enemies have a very high health even with your high level and an epic artifacts it wont help)
-your base might not survive (your allies cant even defend one base)
-Your officers might stand still not doing anything (your command on the officers still doesn't do anything, but only the accompanying will work)
-enemies to much respawning (very annoying they just keep respawning even in at 100 Morales in the enemy team)
-Sometimes the horse just stuck to an invincible wall when there is no wall there
The cutscenes also sometimes happen infrequently as well you could be in the middle of fighting that officer then the cutscenes spawns out of no where. Another issue is when the secret plan cutscene starts while you are in the middle of an air combo resetting you and your enemy putting you at a disadvantage. I think another issue was I really had no personal incentive to use the open world feature of the game outside of decorating my hideaway.
They do have local co op split screen in the regular dw9 though..
I'm a fan of Samurai Warriors 5 and the Nintendo Warrior games, and I'd like to start Dynasty Warriors. I don't own playstation or xbox consoles. Should I get this?
Great video!
I'm a huge Dynasty Warriors fan, but I have never tried an Empires game even though I always wanted. The main reason is that I cannot tell which one is the best of them, as I'm not sure I want to play all of them. Which would you recommend?
7 in my opinion is the best
@@LuBuFengXian sadly stuck on consoles 2 generations ago. If you had to pick 8 or 9 since BC is possible, which would you pick and why?
@@Janembu I played DW8E, and it has a ton of freedom when it comes to customising the game in general.
You could customise your officers, and give them 3 different Musous, and these Musous can be from weapons that you aren't even using.
You could customise the banner of your army, and the appearance of the soldiers in your army.
You could customise your horse.
You could even customise Scenarios.. For example, you can make a scenario of a fictional faction made by you, filled with your custom characters, and the other factions of DW would unite against it, or something.
Personally, I haven't played DW9E, but people said that DW8E has more freedom in customisation in general than DW9E, and that one should wait for the price to drop before getting DW9E if they ever plan on getting it.
Are the trophies/achivements grindable like Dynasty Warriors 8 empires?
The fact that this series has gone BACKWARDS since DW7/8 is a absolutely unacceptable as a hardcore DW fan it makes me truly sad....well I'm stuck with DW8/DW8 empires
The best Dynasty Warrior game I've played the since Dynasty Warriors 7, is Age of Calamity, lol. And probably Samurai Warriors 5 in 2nd place. Those are good games imo, so it's weird that Koei has lost its grip on Dynasty Warriors to be fair. Hoping 10 does something similar to SW 5.
ok I thought this was a stream and was wondering what you were doing still up. do you sleep ? I mean yer up at 3 AM (12 hours ago) often enough
also general support for Lu Bu Feng Xian.
took me a while to write the comment. I am drunk right now =^-^=
He got a clone to take over when he tired
I've played the hell out of DW8. Is it better than that? I see everyone else combining about features I honestly don't care about. I just want to go in and melt thousands of troops with my CC
what carries over in Empires from play through to play through? I stopped playing these years ago because they disabled that feature.
I want the original lu bu back😭
If they just cut the open world and focus on customization and immersion they'd have a pretty solid game
How in the hell did you get Dong Zhuo to dance for Hua Xiong? xD
Feels like Omega Force is out of steam the past years, either due to lack of ideas or wearing themselves thin while working on other projects. The gaps between DW and SW games are longer, and the end product is most often lukewarm. If even Empires, which is usually the one product with the replay value, has little to offer then I'm afraid for their future main titles.
What a bummer. Rarley do Dynasty Warriors games go on sale on xbox store and i was so close to buying it 35% off. I did not play any of 8 and very little of 7. Loved 3 & 4.
Hearing all the bad i guess ill wait until 10
I feel like they were just trying to keep the series going, and personally I'm fine with them keeping the series on life support because we know they can deliver far better and if they have to put it on life support to make it better than ever later, I'm okay with that.
But to talk about the game itself, it was doomed from the start due to the horrible combat changes made in dw9, to make it even remotely enjoyable they'd have had to HEAVILY emphasise strategy to the point where combat is the side attraction and it doesn't sound that they've done that, the customisation seems incredibly limited especially around movesets, to sum it up, I can't see any redeeming part of this game.
I'll stick with 8 empires
I gave up on DW 9 after 20 hours, felt boring. Would this be more entertaining :)? Also did you think Spirit Of Sanada was better than SW 5? - I think xD