For those people mentioning that Mastersounds are no longer making their mixers, you can still buy the same mixers under the Union Audio name. They made the Mastersounds versions anyway.
I actually own two masters sound mixers thank you for that accurate listing of internal components and yes, the mixture sounds absolutely fantastic. Keep up the great work in the future. If you can ever do a four valve master sounds it would be greatly appreciated as all of the videos are I will close with saying this is the best mixer I ownedand I’ve played on the ability to bring two records together to make it sound like one signal is superb on this mixer
About summing. While my main mixer Formula Sound PM90 was being serviced I used a vintage Monacor MPX-9000 DJ-mixer. Not a bad mixer but fidelity wise clearly inferior to the PM90. I really loved how the Monacor summed the signals. It's hard to describe what made it so special but I try. It was like the resolution of the signal was gradually bettered when the fader was moved up. That made it some how "smoother" or "easier to mix".
Go Kamilescu! Go, go, GOOOO!!! All very interesting, I can barely wait for more vids. Would be fun if you could get your hands on some old gear, from Vestax for example, to see how things has evolved. Keep it up!
I love the cue button on these mixers! Also about the summing: I guess headroom plays an important role in the equation. As long as every component stays far away from it's operational limits, you get a "relaxed" sound. P.S. Digging your old JM lab speakers! I had similar ones with the same tweeter couple years ago.
@@jondaniels123 Ask the people at Mastesounds. They can mail them out. I've had to change both of them... seems like a poor quality piece that stops working pretty frequently.
Thanks for the video, do you ever test "crosstalk" with the mixers and how do the mixers compare with others. I have an Ecler Nuo 2.0 and the crosstalk was pretty bad until I used those rca caps / plugs. This year I purchased Master sounds Radius 4 MK2 and I experienced similar things happening and it's especially noticeable on the photo channels of my DJ mixers. Do you know why this affects those channels in particular. I'm eager to learn and understand these concepts and enjoy your channel. Thanks
@@dubdjnelson crosstalk arises because of many reasons, one of them is poor grounding/PCB layout. I didn't test it cause in most cases crosstalk is on acceptable level. The vinyl medium itself has a lot of crosstalk so if you play with records you shouldn't worry about it, cause the signal from the cartridge has already terrible crosstalk. If you want to know more about it there are lots lots lots of informations about it in the web.
Yeah but there's a lot of difference between the crosstalk of the left and right channels of one source and the crosstalk of two different sources. I've hears mixers that have terrible crosstalk of the cued audio source and that's just terrible @@mixersinside
@@MrJemabaris good point! The parameter you're describing is called "offness" - it tells how much signal leaks to the summing bus when turning the potentiometer/fader fully "off".
Anyone know how easy it would be to fit a master cue blend knob, big omission in my opinion and it drives me mad mixing on it at times. a cue blend knob will fix that.
I guess that sums up my experience with the mixer - sounds excellent, but perhaps a little boring. Good to know that the money spent reflects the quality of the components and build.
Hello there, I have an Omnitronic TRM-202 MK3 and I am planning on buying the new Union Audio Orbit2 LE that is just the same as the Mastersounds Radius MK2 less the sub isolator. Do you think that the upgrade is worth it? Thank you. Love your RUclips channel! Cheers
@@TCASCATA Hey, I don't know what's inside Union Audio mixers. I suspect that they will be different than Omnitronic. It's best to check it yourself and decide what mixer makes YOU happy.
Very great reviews. It's very interesting to understand better the inside of those mixer. I had a question, what software do you use to measure transparency of the mixer ? And what's is the important parameter to check ?
@@levraidesir I use Room EQ Wizard. You can find details about my setup in Ecler Nuo/Warm video. There are a lot of parameters to check when you want to judge audio quality. Most popular are THD @ 1kHz, THD vs frequency (I discuss it in RANE video), IMD, SNR, crosstalk, squarevawe response and many others. All are very important. On my channel I use THD @ 1kHz to briefly check if the mixer is on the clean or colored side. I don't focus that much on measurements on this channel because as I said in the first episode (Bozak mixer) the sound character of DJ mixers is a matter of preference and doing detailed measurements will give you a lot of information and no information at the same time. I highly recommend using ears when buying a mixer, but also i really recommend being marketing resistant, cause marketing has actually a lot to do with how our ear works (or how we want our ears to work for us when being strongly biased by beautiful words crafted by marketing departaments). Thank you for your questions and I hope that my videos will answer them partly. For getting familiar with measurements and parameters i recommend Audio Precision website.
Thank you very much for your very detailed answer. I will check your previous videos and the website you mentioned. I am interested to check if I can see a huge difference between my digital mixer and my analog mixer.
Since ypu checkd noe an mk1 and mk3 Version of the Radius 2/4 line it would be intressting to get your opinion in the difference about the build and component quality.
@@mixersinside That's an unofficial name. There were two (I assume identical on the inside) versions of the first generation, and one Mastersounds called the Mk2 with different phono stages among a few other small changes
@@mixersinside Hello Kamil, thanks for your reply. I have a long history with Mastersounds, a history that starts happy and ends... well lets say i sold all my Mastersounds stuff for personal differences with the brand. I got my frist Radius 2 in 2016, one of the first Mixers MS made back then. They had in the beginning 2 Versions - the standard version and a version with different op amps - called premium version - otherwise the mixers where identical. after a few years they changed the internal design, components and ofc the op amps, also they know did a step back from the "hand build" building process and things get done more in a modern way and they sorted the premium version out. this is what i call the mk2 of the radius 2 / 4 but mastersounds did this very stealthy and had a lot of esoteric stuff about this on their product pages and disccusion in all groups on facebook etc... you can notice the mk1 and inofficial mk2 version on the vu meter - the mk1 had only mastersounds printed on mk2 the vu meters has mastersounds and union audio printed on the scala. the then offical mk2 version is what i called mk3, agian they change internals and production but also set down the price. this came agian with a lot of esoteric stuff, when you read it you might think its all better then in mk1 and thats for a lower price but it clearly was only made to get out more devices. nothing worng for a company but a step down from what they started. So yes, you are right. There is only MK1 and MK2 but 3 Versions and MK1 had even a premium version.
Thanks for the informative reivew! You pointed out that the linear PSU is an overkill for the Radius, how about the Radius Valve? Is it overkill for that too?
@@dombesz if the internal power supply of Radius Valve is switch-mode then yes, it's also an overkill for the same reasons i was talking about in the video.
The first batch of radius mixers were standard and premium version premium uses muse op amps.....i will never sell my early model now when they are discountinued i beliave after 20 years will gain urei like kind of status
@@s_9878 oh, so you meant MX progressive series. I own MX1400 and plan to do a video about it in the future for sure. There is also traditional MX series that is different and i will also like to make a video about it but i sold my MX180 mk3 before setting up the channel. Regardless of this you can of course send me the mixer for modification.
@@mixersinside yes sorry the progressive series. I thought you mentioned you had one, I have the 1400 too. Look forward to seeing a video on it. I’ll message you about the modification definitely want to get it done.
Thank you once again :) Another fire video ! I love the rotary's mixer but maybe any chance to do a AH 96 or the Pioneer V10 (especially) to see if the 3500$ price tag is actually a total rip off (probably is) but would be interesting as they are the two mixers that 80%% of clubs are using in the world
@@samimasmoudi4098 there is definitely a chance for 96 video in the future. I saw it inside once I was servicing it in the times i didn't have this channel. What can I say straight away is that many "boutiqe" rotary mixers are a rip off compared to Xone 96. There is a lot of technology involved in this mixer, it has an USB interface with AKM DAC chips on every channel, great sounding clickless resonant filters. It's definitely more serious engineering and very well crafted product. You get much more when you buy a 96 compared to some most popular rotaries that are expensive as hell and inside they have 70s/80s technology rip off that is done with really basic and cheap parts. I'm not saying they sound bad, i mean that in terms of parts and engineering cost they have definitely less value than Xone 96 or Pioneer V10. Speaking of Pioneer, damn. This is serious engineering as well. There are many controversies about Pioneer because of they are based on digital technology, but believe me that digital technology got much better for last 10-15 years and now you can get perfectly clean sound if you like such sound. Pioneer implements lots of software engineering, their enclosures are perfectly crafted - it's a work of a team, not guy in the garage. I think that it's not coincidence that speaking of rider mixers we talk about Pioneer or A&H.
For those people mentioning that Mastersounds are no longer making their mixers, you can still buy the same mixers under the Union Audio name. They made the Mastersounds versions anyway.
I actually own two masters sound mixers thank you for that accurate listing of internal components and yes, the mixture sounds absolutely fantastic. Keep up the great work in the future. If you can ever do a four valve master sounds it would be greatly appreciated as all of the videos are I will close with saying this is the best mixer I ownedand I’ve played on the ability to bring two records together to make it sound like one signal is superb on this mixer
About summing. While my main mixer Formula Sound PM90 was being serviced I used a vintage Monacor MPX-9000 DJ-mixer. Not a bad mixer but fidelity wise clearly inferior to the PM90. I really loved how the Monacor summed the signals. It's hard to describe what made it so special but I try. It was like the resolution of the signal was gradually bettered when the fader was moved up. That made it some how "smoother" or "easier to mix".
This mixer looks great inside and outside! Thanks a lot for review!
Szacun Kamilu za tak techniczny review. Piekielnie dobry mixer!!
Jay! Glad to see the videos coming again! 🙂
Another brilliant & detailed review. Thanks mate!
Go Kamilescu! Go, go, GOOOO!!! All very interesting, I can barely wait for more vids. Would be fun if you could get your hands on some old gear, from Vestax for example, to see how things has evolved. Keep it up!
@@FloppyFeel soon i will publish a video about Urei 1620 from 1985. Thanks for a nice comment :)
I love the cue button on these mixers! Also about the summing: I guess headroom plays an important role in the equation. As long as every component stays far away from it's operational limits, you get a "relaxed" sound.
P.S. Digging your old JM lab speakers! I had similar ones with the same tweeter couple years ago.
I used muses in my custom mixer build. Also my mixer os super easy to op amp roll
Thank you for the videos. I learn a lot from them. I own a Mastersounds Four Valve MK2 mixer. I would love to know your opinion about these too.
Nice shots! You can clearly tell you skilled up in these field :)
Fantastic video. Question: do you know the manufacturer and part number for the cue button? I need to find a replacement.
look for a part called "vandal switch"
That's super helpful, thank you! I just need to figure out the specs now - I see it says 1.8v, any other details you can provide would be ideal.
@@jondaniels123 Ask the people at Mastesounds. They can mail them out. I've had to change both of them... seems like a poor quality piece that stops working pretty frequently.
Thanks for the video, do you ever test "crosstalk" with the mixers and how do the mixers compare with others. I have an Ecler Nuo 2.0 and the crosstalk was pretty bad until I used those rca caps / plugs. This year I purchased Master sounds Radius 4 MK2 and I experienced similar things happening and it's especially noticeable on the photo channels of my DJ mixers. Do you know why this affects those channels in particular. I'm eager to learn and understand these concepts and enjoy your channel. Thanks
@@dubdjnelson crosstalk arises because of many reasons, one of them is poor grounding/PCB layout. I didn't test it cause in most cases crosstalk is on acceptable level. The vinyl medium itself has a lot of crosstalk so if you play with records you shouldn't worry about it, cause the signal from the cartridge has already terrible crosstalk. If you want to know more about it there are lots lots lots of informations about it in the web.
Yeah but there's a lot of difference between the crosstalk of the left and right channels of one source and the crosstalk of two different sources. I've hears mixers that have terrible crosstalk of the cued audio source and that's just terrible @@mixersinside
@@MrJemabaris good point! The parameter you're describing is called "offness" - it tells how much signal leaks to the summing bus when turning the potentiometer/fader fully "off".
Would love to see a Condesa mixer next!
@@yannickaranas4998 Condesa Carmen soon
Anyone know how easy it would be to fit a master cue blend knob, big omission in my opinion and it drives me mad mixing on it at times. a cue blend knob will fix that.
Thanks for another great video
Właściwy człowiek na właściwym miejscu! 🧠🔎👂
Did you measure the output impedance of the XLR outs? Would be interesting to know.
@@2J_W9 no, but you can examine THAT chip data, cause it depends on this chip unless there is no output resistor.
I guess that sums up my experience with the mixer - sounds excellent, but perhaps a little boring. Good to know that the money spent reflects the quality of the components and build.
Hello there, I have an Omnitronic TRM-202 MK3 and I am planning on buying the new Union Audio Orbit2 LE that is just the same as the Mastersounds Radius MK2 less the sub isolator. Do you think that the upgrade is worth it? Thank you. Love your RUclips channel! Cheers
@@TCASCATA Hey, I don't know what's inside Union Audio mixers. I suspect that they will be different than Omnitronic. It's best to check it yourself and decide what mixer makes YOU happy.
@@mixersinside I wish I could try one before buying. Cheers
@@TCASCATA i see that Union Audio has promising distribution opportunities so maybe you will be able to test it soon. Good luck!
Awesome 😎 ❤ 🔬 🔌
Very great reviews. It's very interesting to understand better the inside of those mixer. I had a question, what software do you use to measure transparency of the mixer ? And what's is the important parameter to check ?
@@levraidesir I use Room EQ Wizard. You can find details about my setup in Ecler Nuo/Warm video.
There are a lot of parameters to check when you want to judge audio quality. Most popular are THD @ 1kHz, THD vs frequency (I discuss it in RANE video), IMD, SNR, crosstalk, squarevawe response and many others. All are very important. On my channel I use THD @ 1kHz to briefly check if the mixer is on the clean or colored side.
I don't focus that much on measurements on this channel because as I said in the first episode (Bozak mixer) the sound character of DJ mixers is a matter of preference and doing detailed measurements will give you a lot of information and no information at the same time. I highly recommend using ears when buying a mixer, but also i really recommend being marketing resistant, cause marketing has actually a lot to do with how our ear works (or how we want our ears to work for us when being strongly biased by beautiful words crafted by marketing departaments).
Thank you for your questions and I hope that my videos will answer them partly. For getting familiar with measurements and parameters i recommend Audio Precision website.
Thank you very much for your very detailed answer. I will check your previous videos and the website you mentioned. I am interested to check if I can see a huge difference between my digital mixer and my analog mixer.
Since ypu checkd noe an mk1 and mk3 Version of the Radius 2/4 line it would be intressting to get your opinion in the difference about the build and component quality.
There is no mk3 version of Radius, and i've checked only mk1. This is my first video about MasterSounds mixers.
@@mixersinside That's an unofficial name. There were two (I assume identical on the inside) versions of the first generation, and one Mastersounds called the Mk2 with different phono stages among a few other small changes
@@djstuc can you please tell me what is the mk3 of this mixer? I thought their newest product is mk2.
@@djstuc ok i see, thanks for clarifying.
@@mixersinside Hello Kamil, thanks for your reply. I have a long history with Mastersounds, a history that starts happy and ends... well lets say i sold all my Mastersounds stuff for personal differences with the brand. I got my frist Radius 2 in 2016, one of the first Mixers MS made back then. They had in the beginning 2 Versions - the standard version and a version with different op amps - called premium version - otherwise the mixers where identical.
after a few years they changed the internal design, components and ofc the op amps, also they know did a step back from the "hand build" building process and things get done more in a modern way and they sorted the premium version out.
this is what i call the mk2 of the radius 2 / 4 but mastersounds did this very stealthy and had a lot of esoteric stuff about this on their product pages and disccusion in all groups on facebook etc... you can notice the mk1 and inofficial mk2 version on the vu meter - the mk1 had only mastersounds printed on mk2 the vu meters has mastersounds and union audio printed on the scala.
the then offical mk2 version is what i called mk3, agian they change internals and production but also set down the price. this came agian with a lot of esoteric stuff, when you read it you might think its all better then in mk1 and thats for a lower price but it clearly was only made to get out more devices. nothing worng for a company but a step down from what they started.
So yes, you are right. There is only MK1 and MK2 but 3 Versions and MK1 had even a premium version.
Thanks for the informative reivew! You pointed out that the linear PSU is an overkill for the Radius, how about the Radius Valve? Is it overkill for that too?
@@dombesz if the internal power supply of Radius Valve is switch-mode then yes, it's also an overkill for the same reasons i was talking about in the video.
Please do RESOR mixer review 😊
@@stepIIme send it to me and I will do it.
Someone in Europe please send this man a Resor to test!
The first batch of radius mixers were standard and premium version premium uses muse op amps.....i will never sell my early model now when they are discountinued i beliave after 20 years will gain urei like kind of status
Please do E&S DJR400
@@MrTonig12 send it to me and I will do it.
yes please! Something about the sound of that mixer sets it apart.
Yes 🙌 Rodec MX series next please 🙏
@@s_9878 you don't have to ask me for the reviews, all you have to do is send me the mixers you want to see.
@@mixersinside if I sent you one could you do the fader curve mod we’ve been talking about :) ?
@@s_9878 oh, so you meant MX progressive series. I own MX1400 and plan to do a video about it in the future for sure. There is also traditional MX series that is different and i will also like to make a video about it but i sold my MX180 mk3 before setting up the channel.
Regardless of this you can of course send me the mixer for modification.
@@mixersinside yes sorry the progressive series. I thought you mentioned you had one, I have the 1400 too. Look forward to seeing a video on it. I’ll message you about the modification definitely want to get it done.
Definitely interested in this modification. Needs to be done on my progressive series
interesting content
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Thank you once again :)
Another fire video !
I love the rotary's mixer but maybe any chance to do a AH 96 or the Pioneer V10 (especially) to see if the
3500$ price tag is actually a total rip off (probably is) but would be interesting as they are the two mixers that 80%% of clubs are using in the world
@@samimasmoudi4098 there is definitely a chance for 96 video in the future. I saw it inside once I was servicing it in the times i didn't have this channel.
What can I say straight away is that many "boutiqe" rotary mixers are a rip off compared to Xone 96. There is a lot of technology involved in this mixer, it has an USB interface with AKM DAC chips on every channel, great sounding clickless resonant filters. It's definitely more serious engineering and very well crafted product. You get much more when you buy a 96 compared to some most popular rotaries that are expensive as hell and inside they have 70s/80s technology rip off that is done with really basic and cheap parts. I'm not saying they sound bad, i mean that in terms of parts and engineering cost they have definitely less value than Xone 96 or Pioneer V10.
Speaking of Pioneer, damn. This is serious engineering as well. There are many controversies about Pioneer because of they are based on digital technology, but believe me that digital technology got much better for last 10-15 years and now you can get perfectly clean sound if you like such sound. Pioneer implements lots of software engineering, their enclosures are perfectly crafted - it's a work of a team, not guy in the garage.
I think that it's not coincidence that speaking of rider mixers we talk about Pioneer or A&H.
@@mixersinsidei appreciate taking your time for answering my question, thank u and keep up the amazing content 🫶
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Mastersounds stopped making mixers😢😢
Shame they’ve stopped manufacturing them!
Zajebicie, skad jestes bo mam Valve Mk2 w Krakowie :)
@@Krkbiker wwa