There were a lot of people, A LOT, that would have pulled the trigger if it wasn't just a refreshed rincon without EPS and diff lock. They would have probably shattered a sales record if the production kept up with demand.
I have owned Hondas practically my whole life and loved them. I too got excited by the new Rubicon 700 Automatic when I saw it on Honda's website. I was completely disappointed when I realized it was the same old Rincon with new plastics and , yes, ugly pod light. This is insanity on Honda's part. The Rincon and Pioneer 700 both need a complete overhaul with the 750 inline twin and DCT transmission that they already have available. Put a high and low range in it also, power steering, and diff lock and that would be something that would really sell! Come on Honda, get it together and listen to your real world customers!
Whoever designed this should be flat out fired I’m sorry lol, but man 20 plus years later you’re paying a premium price for a early 2000s machine with new headlights and plastic
@@poppymonroewild exactly change something that’s going to make a difference for the rider things that people have been asking for for a decade I am a Honda guy whose now riding a 850 outlander
Can’t continue to defend Honda at this point. This is more of a slap in the face to its customers than if they just wouldn’t have released it at all. This quad didn’t make sense 10 years ago, hence why they discontinued it. This new one will fail for all the same reasons the first Rincon failed…I don’t know how they don’t understand that.
I’m totally a Honda fan , I own many Honda products including 2 Honda Rubicon 2017 & 2024 I absolutely have no problem or complaints whatsoever. My rubicon performs extremely well and totally worth the money. I totally understand in regards of the Honda 700cc 2025 I wouldn’t own one at all . 3 speeds and no power steering lol what a joke. I’m too very surprised that Honda took it on the market. Always do your research and your homework on everything you planned to buy . Most salespeople don’t know anything in their field. Many people will be disappointed with the 700cc Honda, time will tell. I used to belong to an atv club and Honda was the number one performance and durability . Other competitors don’t even get closer than Honda. Honda doesn’t have to compete with the other. Honda is Honda,take it or leave it . I’m a fan from my heart. Take care of your Honda and your Honda will take care of you . God bless everyone and stay safe.👍❤️🙏
Man, I hear you 100%. Honda often times has no idea what customers want. A redressed Rincon. WTF? No power steering. No diff lock. Old switches? Come on. Honda does things that no one is asking for.
@@poppymonroewildbelieve it or not, there’s lots of demand for the rincon. So what Honda did, is they took the old rincon and renamed it rubicon 700. The reason being, is that Honda is remaking the rincon as its flagship atv(and about time). They wanted to keep the rincon name for the new one that’s gonna come out most likely in 2025. The rubicon 700 is “an in betweener “ i had the rincon 680. I liked it very much for trail riding. Now i have the rubicon 520 because of the front locker, the high and low and for the dct. Hopefully in the new rincon, Honda fits a 6 speed dct transmission.
@Vincesquadsquad . My buddy has a Rincon. It is a good all around trail quad. I have a Rubicon 500 DCT which I like very much. It's slow but otherwise there is no other quad that I'd rather ride on slow challenging terrain. The low gear combined with unmatched stability can't be beat.
@@matthewhoopes4440 I also had a rincon 680. 2008 model. Great trail atv. But aside the fact that I would be able to hit 99km/h with it, I prefer my rubicon 520 Because of the power steering, the dct transmission, the front locker and high and low gear. Which I use quite often.
I just heared about the Rubicon 700 & got really excited until I watched this video. I got the Rubicon when it first came out & loved it. After 24yrs I now wish it had powering steering, diff lock & IRS. I’m ashamed of Honda & it’s still a Rincon.
I bought my Honda Foreman 520 atv for durability, And a little bit because the front look better than most quads.That said they need more Features, upgrade displays with rpms and mpg, etc. Some more storage On the quads and more engine options like a 700cc, etc...Otherwise, people will not be sticking with honda. This new model is a prime example of Looking backwards.. Honda needs to innovate more, and have stuff that looks nice, dependable, not recycled looking.. Otherwise people be going with polaris, can-am, etc.. Which especially with polaris is not as dependable..
I'll stick with my 520 as my around the house workhorse as it's setup that way. I had always planned on buying a bigger machine for trails and fun but when I heated the rumor about the 700 rubicon coming out I decided to wait. Now I'm positive I'm going with a Grizzly because as you said it's just a rebranded Rincon and a complete let down.
I liked the idea when I heard about it coming out. I already have a 2024 520 irs footshift Rubicon. I agree no power steering, no front locking diff and the three speed transmission taken from the 700 sxs is a huge mistake. I'd never even consider it.
I grew up Honda and feel the same way.. I left them in the dust for Polaris and can am products.. I will tell you though, if Honda ever gets the thumb out of it and produces a 1000 cc Atv, I will sell everything to get one!
Man I left Honda when all they gave us was the 520cc over the 500cc bought a grizzly and will never look back . Just as reliable or maybe even more reliable . The dct transmission has there issues
I owned Honda's for years including this model. Now own Can Am XTP 1000 Max with no regrets! Can Am's absolutely rip on the trails! Make the switch you'll be glad you did!
Agreed! I still own a 2012 Outlander 1000 and it just turned over 8,300 miles. Still no problems with it! I beat that machine and it holds up amazingly!
@poppymonroewild it's definitely something to look at for your next machine. I would of went with the XMR if I was buying for myself but had to get the MAX so I can take the kids around comfortably. Really can't get over how well this handles the whoops it rides amazing.
Sorry boys i have wanted Honda to play the power tech game for so long it finaly kicked me right in the back of the head my 86 250r is fast still and runs like a champ my 04 450 Foreman goes 47 but has been a work beast my 2 110 ATCs still run ya know what doesnt run all my friends Polaris 850s 900s, canam same. I really like that im still running strong and some of those parts being used for years is only better for the buyer when you need an old part oh wait they still use that switch awsome easy to find if you brake it. I love my Hondas and they are the best money i have spent besides kids. 10 more MPH cost alot of people alot of money and now turning SxS into $40k rolling trail couches. Well i have to go change my power stearing fluid in all my Hondas especially the 4x4 its soooooo hard to turn😂, yeah we can tell.
Love my Can am 1000 xt max. I did the switch from Yamaha because i was so impressed with my Ski-doo. Little more preventative maintenance required but crap loads of power!!
100%. I’m a big-time fan of Honda Powersports and I’m looking at buying my first ATV I like the features of the 520 but I want something with more power and the 700 is a complete letdown. I don’t know what Honda is thinking it’s not like they don’t have the fan base to justify the R&D to upgrade the 700. Probably gonna end up going with a king quad 750
I can tell you that after a few years of working for a large Japanese manufacturer, I’m figuring out that the Japanese are painfully calculated and at times very slow to bring new products to market vs their competitors, but when a product FINALLY hits the market, it’s usually pretty legit. In the case of Honda, they take all that to the absolute extreme. However, they still sell for more and hold great value, so from a business standpoint…I guess I get it. I don’t think Honda needs a mega HP Rubicon and don’t believe the people who complain about that are Honda’s intended market, but I don’t think it’s a big ask for something closer to a Grizzly or KQ in the engine department.
@@poppymonroewild Oh I’m with you on that 100%. The point I’m trying to make is that it doesn’t have to be a Brute Outlander 1500 with a wheelie button and that isn’t their intended market. A reasonable bump in power or larger single cylinder engine option would be perfect and Honda faithful would pay that premium.
I been a Honda fan for more than 20 years! First one was in 2000. Got excited when I just seen a rubicon 700 and I thought, oh cool they reworked the Rincon engine to a dct trans and stuffed it in the rubicon chassis! Nope, shifter gave it away immediately! Just the Rincon with fresh plastic. Jumped on the talon bandwagon in 2019 and didn’t hate it. It’s been a great reliable rig, but overall I’m disappointed with Honda. When I make another 20+k purchase it may not be going into Hondas pocket.
I have a 420 rancher I bought years back and liked it so much I bouth a 2020 Rubicon 520. Stock the 420 was faster. I had to put bigger tires on the 520, a power commander, hmf full exhaust and then it was slightly faster than the rancher. Its nice but I was into the rancher for half price. Then in 2022 since we have had good luck with our yamaha wolverine x2 I bought a Grizzly. Wow. What a difference. Suspension is way better, no more vibration through the foot pegs, plenty of giddy up, comfy seat, and no more jerks from the transmission as it goes through the drive ratios since the cvt is smooth vs the DCT. The only thing my honda's do better is they are slightly quieter, slight better mpg, maybe a little lighter. In hindsight I would only recommend a honda four wheeler if you absolutely need the geared trans (deep mud water concerns) and get it used for a great price. If buying new its hard to beat the grizzly or a few bucks less the kodiak. The other brands are a coin flip on reliability but if I had to pick through them the new canam outlander 700 and maybe a cfmoto as they have come a long way.
The Grizzly is easily the best all around sport utility out there. It's not as fast some in a straight line but it handles so much better that it will probably beat anything out there on the trails. And compared to Honda it is very fast and way more fun.
I'm with you, I think Honda has terrible product management and marketing in this market. I bought a RIncon new in 2003, which was an amazing machine for its day, with an amazing suspension. The slushbox transmission was geared too high at low speeds, it wasn't fuel injected, no power steering, but a fun machine, if not really competing with competitors flagship product features. Twenty years later, with bad shoulders and tired of re-jetting the carb twice a year, I bought a Rubicon 520 EPS DCT because the "new" Rincon was so completely out of date. The Rubicon has great utility and wonderful (if buggy) transmission, but it's under-powered and slow. It seems like Honda is saying to loyal customers that wish for better: "if you like competitor's features, go buy their products."
I found a 2008 trx250 with a seized head. I bought a cylinder kit from Amazon and put it back together, cleaned the carb and cleaned up the bike. Runs great, and it's actually more fun to ride than my '21 sportsman 450. Sorry to sound old, but the new stuff just sucks.
Was so excited when I saw it as well...then looked closer, what a disappointment! I was fed up with Honda when they don't give us the consumer what we are looking for. So last year sold my 2016 420 and bought the new CanAm outlander 700 MAX XT, so worth it so far. Love the 2up, the power, the plush ride and the price was decent as well.
I’m a Honda fan but only because I like having gears. Nothing wrong with cvt I just like gears better. I also like power steering locking front differential and low range. Why does honda keep leaving us with wanting more.i just can’t make sense of what they do.im at a loss for any better words to say I will NOT buy the new old Rincon that they are calling a rubicon. As a Honda rubicon 520 owner i feel insulted they are making a fake rubicon rincon that don’t have what people need and want in a ATV.
Idk I have a 1993 Honda fourtrax 300 and why would I buy a quad that has the same tow rating (850lbs) but with twice the power give it a better transmission with a low gear so then I can do stuff with it I go hunting so I would like more tow capacity I couldn’t care abt power steering I own a fourtrax 300 from 1993 I’m use to it I just want an updated quad with more tow capacity
I feel like getting a dct 5 speed transmission with a low range(like the rubi 520) and eps would be enough, the 680 motor is a torque beast that is let down by a 3 speed transmission, eps is a good thing to have because when you steer the weight steers the wheels back to the middle so you gotta fight to steer, not so much of a problem on the 420 since it's lighter, imo diff lock isn't necessary considering the rincon still has 2 brake levers and i never needed diff lock whatsoever.
I'm so disappointed. I love my 2022 rubicon deluxe. I thought maybe this would be the power bump we've been waiting for. But there is absolutely no point in me trading something with power steering. Diff lock. And can tow over 1200lbs. Unless I'm missing something? I can buy an old Rincon on marketplace for a third of the price and specs
I've been a Honda guy my whole life. I did try a Can-Am DS450 but didn't like it. I sold my Rubicon 500 because it was a terrible trail bike. I'm hoping Honda does something cool with the Rincon name but I'm not holding my breath. If I go SxS I would 100% go with a Talon but if I stick to an ATV, and Honda does nothing, I've be getting a Grizz.
They already took rincon out of Canada a few years ago. Now it's back. Transmission upgrade and power steering at least to make it interesting. I'll stick with the 520 for now.
I’m a Honda guy but this is such a let down I think Honda thinks that whatever we put out there people will buy it I think that they screwed up this time here I come Suzuki 750
A 5-speed 700 Rincon is awesome to me. If 3 speed, I still like it but 5 speed is better. Honda doesn't release products that will give you problems like other brands. I prefer that way. I don't like other brands that keep releasing high-speed 1000cc ATVs but it's problematic. The problem is stressful lols.
@@mukhanglarochannel4774 I know you’re correct, Honda won’t sale you something you are going to need to take back in a few weeks because of some quality issues like many of the other brands. The Rubicon 700 may not meet some people’s expectations of what “ THEY “ think it should be, but Honda knows what they are doing, they been doing it for a very long time. They don’t build temporary machines that struggle to reach 10,000 miles without repair. The most miles I have seen on a Polaris was a Polaris Ranger on a farm that had 17,000 miles but required a lot of engine work to get it there. I have seen Hondas exceed 40,000 miles, but claims of over 50,000 miles, of course that is a lot of miles to ride an ATV. Can Am it remains to be seen
Honda has a reputation for reliability but, it’s very easy to make a reliable product when you don’t innovate for years on end and push out less performance per CC than other manufacturers. Briggs and Stratton make a reliable engine as well, so what?
Honda. I agree dropped the ball big time. No power steering?????? Same clearance and now didd lock. Honda thinks that people will by this,,, big flop!!!! I was looking to buy another hind and not now. My rincon is the best bike I have ever had and I was ready to buy another Honda. I will have to wait now and keep waiting. Everything from boat motors, brush cutter, snow blowers and lawn mowers I have all Honda. What is up with Honda and their four wheelers. You said it perfect, it like Honda wants us to hate them or change to a other product or something. Who thinks this shit up for Honda. Especially in canada they do not listen or update the basics. I hope hinda is bot test marketing the 700 to see if there are people that would buy a bigger bike because this would not give an indication as they have not upgrades anything with the 700. I will not buy a new Honda now
No power steering on a 700 is so stupid. I'm chompin at the bit for them to put eps and the talon 1000 motor and trans in the rincon frame, but until they do, I'll buy other brands. We use hondas on the farm but they're too slow for the trail so they only get half the revenue they could be getting from me
Honda still thinks they can sell their products based on the Honda badging. I'm not a Honda rider, driver, or boater anymore. I went to Toyota and Yamaha. No regrets.
Honda shot themselves in the foot with the transalp too. All we wanted was a more basic, cheaper Africa twin.. but got a bike woth less capability than expected. Basically a 750cc KLR650.
That Engine and trans are great but needs a gear reduction which is rumored they may have done that. I hope anyways. But yes should have at least had power steering and just used the diffs from the current 520 atleast I'm sure would of worked. However it's a proven power train just lacks in the first gear as any Rincon owner will tell you they are dogs. But can rip at higher speeds. Hope the gear reduction was done at a minimum or else yes no one who does any research would think to buy it
I personally like hondas better because of the reliability, but they have barely any horsepower. If canAM and honda had a baby, that would be the perfect four wheeler
Left honda years ago. Great machines just underpowered. The only Hondas I ride are my 250sx and FL250. I ride my sportsman 1000.and 2023 Arctic Cat Alterra 600 more than my 2020 Rubicon.
ive never liked hondas but i do have friends who have always been die hard honda guys, well they are riding can ams and polaris's waiting for an actually fun honda to come. they were so pumped when they seen this and quickly massive disappointment to the point there starting to loose that honda love all together i think honda doesn't care about there customers, i think honda says it doesn't mater what we make our name will sell it. well finally catching up with them.
Honda has been a big disappointment for years now. Way behind anyone else. Wanting to buy a pioneer 1000 but until they put HVAC in I’m seriously considering Can-am.
Don’t buy the Honda for how it runs and performs in 2024, buy it for how it will run in 2044 long after the Polaris and Can Am’s have been put in the Junk yard
Yeah we just have to stay patient if you want the best you just got to be patient, but if I were you I would definitely not buy a Can-Am especially if you were used to reliability because you will be very disappointed those things are absolutely garbage I don't understand why the snow machines are pretty good but their ATVs or a disaster but don't take my word for it please do your research before you spend big dollars on these things, I know a few people that own them and they're selling them😅 they have nothing but problems with them I would rather walk on the trails waste my money fixing a Can-Am all the time
@@poppymonroewild yeah that's probably why they're better quality I guess but I found the Bombardier always made good snow machines, but they're ATVs are nothing to be desired for once Honda realizes they have a flop of an ATV here I'm sure they're going to fix it within the next year or two we just have to keep letting them have it let them know it's garbage fix it!! Lol
This is more of the type of riding that the Rubicon 700 is geared towards, at this it excels above the 420’s, and 520’s. People didn’t get the 700 they “ WANTED “ , but that wasn’t Honda’s goal. Honda is just being Honda . . . Reliable. It is a solid machine. Honda isn’t falling behind, Honda has proven they are the gold standard for reliability, not even Yamaha has the track record Honda has. It’s like Toyota, they don’t come out with the newest latest features like the big 3, but they will outlast them all. ruclips.net/video/IuTONL9UYuU/видео.htmlsi=Xd9FXv8qC5_Gv-Kl
Here is another example of trail systems that pair up better with the Rincon, and Rubicon 700. I’m from southern West Virginia down from Logan, and Boone counties where the Hatfield and McCoy trails are. I lived there for 30yrs riding in those mountains. I understand the need for low gearing, diff lock , etc , but I now live in Wisconsin, the trails are much different up here, and all that low end, diff lock, even 4wd isn’t all that necessary always . Here is another example ruclips.net/video/8qjVrEjLdxs/видео.htmlsi=lp6udXUL-jWgf0UD
The world is a big place, and there is a lot of different types of terrain and environments. The Rincon 680, and Rubicon 700 do better in certain situations where higher gearing makes more sense. Low end torque isn’t always necessary for all types of riding. You have to look at a bigger picture. The Rincon, and Rubicon 700 will get you around larger areas faster than the 420’s, and 520’s ruclips.net/video/CbrOYt4aws4/видео.htmlsi=Nz7PDyrJX6h8w9ZM
There are way better options than the Rincon for that application, and no one who wants to go "fast" in confort buys a Honda. In Canada the Rincon is mostly a total let down.
@@poppymonroewild As far as a machine that’s reliable for the long term, there really isn’t. The Grizzly is okay, but Polaris and Can Am lack quality control. It just depends on what type of riding you do, and where. I’ve rode ATVs since a small child, and lots of it. In West Virginia I wouldn’t consider it a good option because if the terrain, but in places like Arizona, or Wisconsin it would be a good reliable option. I know Honda, we will need to wait to see them in person, and some honest reviews, but I figure it’s primarily the same Rincon 680 with some additional tuning for a little more performance. It definitely looks better in my opinion. Yeah they could have turned it into a 720 just like the 420, and 520 only a little more displacement, but that’s not much different. Honda won’t likely do anything drastic as far as changes go, that’s just not Honda. Japanese manufacturers have a different marketing strategy than Polaris and Can Am. Reliable machines are the Japanese manufacturers priority. The Kawasaki Brute Force 750 only got aesthetic changes as well, but it too is a solid machine. The Yamaha Grizzly hasn’t changed much either. The Suzuki King Quad is still the same. They don’t change things up every few years, they just change the colors basically. The new outlanders have had some quality control issues as far as loose bolts, and hoses from the dealers. I mean having crankcase bolts hanging out unsecured on a brand new $12,000.00 plus machine shouldn’t be happening. Even the Yamaha’s have had fuel pump issues, as well as reports of bolts falling off at random places on the skid plates, fenders, etc. Not the motor. Honda holds the top position as the most reliable machine all around, with good quality control. I have had Polaris, Can Ams while powerful, are for the most part more of a short term machine until the next thing comes out. Polaris rides smooth, but still suffers from quality issues. I know Honda seems dull, boring, and the same old thing. Honda sticks with what works. They likely see enough sales that satisfy their profit margins.
The Honda Rubicon 700 will be a good machine, I know it’s basically the Rincon 680 with aesthetic updates. It may not be the 700 a lot people want, but that wasn’t Honda’s goal here. They know what they are doing, they know the market better than you or I. They know what people “ WANT “ , but that’s not what there goal is. The Rubicon 700 has its place, but it’s not designed for the same applications as the 420’s, or 520’s. Those two lines are for work oriented applications such as for Ranches, and Farms. That’s why they have lower gearing, and hitches. The Rincon 680, and now the Rubicon 700 are trail riding machines, intended for riding at higher speeds, which may also explain why they did not include assisted power steering, or a locker. Those other two machines the 420’s, and 520’s operate at slower speeds where lockers, and power steering makes more sense.
There were a lot of people, A LOT, that would have pulled the trigger if it wasn't just a refreshed rincon without EPS and diff lock. They would have probably shattered a sales record if the production kept up with demand.
100%! I saw it and said to a buddy i'm buying it!
I have owned Hondas practically my whole life and loved them. I too got excited by the new Rubicon 700 Automatic when I saw it on Honda's website. I was completely disappointed when I realized it was the same old Rincon with new plastics and , yes, ugly pod light. This is insanity on Honda's part. The Rincon and Pioneer 700 both need a complete overhaul with the 750 inline twin and DCT transmission that they already have available. Put a high and low range in it also, power steering, and diff lock and that would be something that would really sell! Come on Honda, get it together and listen to your real world customers!
100% agree!
Whoever designed this should be flat out fired I’m sorry lol, but man 20 plus years later you’re paying a premium price for a early 2000s machine with new headlights and plastic
100% agree. Ugly head light even. Just put tge rubicon pod on and give us led bulbs and we'd be happy .
@@poppymonroewild exactly change something that’s going to make a difference for the rider things that people have been asking for for a decade I am a Honda guy whose now riding a 850 outlander
Can’t continue to defend Honda at this point. This is more of a slap in the face to its customers than if they just wouldn’t have released it at all. This quad didn’t make sense 10 years ago, hence why they discontinued it. This new one will fail for all the same reasons the first Rincon failed…I don’t know how they don’t understand that.
100%
I used to be a dedicated Honda person, but a few years back I realized other manufacturers offer the features that I want
I can agree with this. I really like Can Am products
@@poppymonroewild I agree totally
I’m totally a Honda fan , I own many Honda products including 2 Honda Rubicon 2017 & 2024 I absolutely have no problem or complaints whatsoever. My rubicon performs extremely well and totally worth the money. I totally understand in regards of the Honda 700cc 2025 I wouldn’t own one at all . 3 speeds and no power steering lol what a joke. I’m too very surprised that Honda took it on the market. Always do your research and your homework on everything you planned to buy . Most salespeople don’t know anything in their field. Many people will be disappointed with the 700cc Honda, time will tell. I used to belong to an atv club and Honda was the number one performance and durability . Other competitors don’t even get closer than Honda. Honda doesn’t have to compete with the other. Honda is Honda,take it or leave it . I’m a fan from my heart. Take care of your Honda and your Honda will take care of you . God bless everyone and stay safe.👍❤️🙏
Man, I hear you 100%. Honda often times has no idea what customers want. A redressed Rincon. WTF? No power steering. No diff lock. Old switches? Come on. Honda does things that no one is asking for.
Total let down!
@@poppymonroewildbelieve it or not, there’s lots of demand for the rincon. So what Honda did, is they took the old rincon and renamed it rubicon 700. The reason being, is that Honda is remaking the rincon as its flagship atv(and about time). They wanted to keep the rincon name for the new one that’s gonna come out most likely in 2025. The rubicon 700 is “an in betweener “ i had the rincon 680. I liked it very much for trail riding. Now i have the rubicon 520 because of the front locker, the high and low and for the dct. Hopefully in the new rincon, Honda fits a 6 speed dct transmission.
@Vincesquadsquad . My buddy has a Rincon. It is a good all around trail quad. I have a Rubicon 500 DCT which I like very much. It's slow but otherwise there is no other quad that I'd rather ride on slow challenging terrain. The low gear combined with unmatched stability can't be beat.
@@matthewhoopes4440 I also had a rincon 680. 2008 model. Great trail atv. But aside the fact that I would be able to hit 99km/h with it, I prefer my rubicon 520 Because of the power steering, the dct transmission, the front locker and high and low gear. Which I use quite often.
Well I hope you are right, i will watch with intent. If it happens the way it should I'll camp out to buy one
Suzuki king quad looking pretty good now.
Better than ever. Wish we were back in 1992!
I just heared about the Rubicon 700 & got really excited until I watched this video.
I got the Rubicon when it first came out & loved it. After 24yrs I now wish it had powering steering, diff lock & IRS.
I’m ashamed of Honda & it’s still a Rincon.
I bought my Honda Foreman 520 atv for durability, And a little bit because the front look better than most quads.That said they need more Features, upgrade displays with rpms and mpg, etc. Some more storage On the quads and more engine options like a 700cc, etc...Otherwise, people will not be sticking with honda. This new model is a prime example of Looking backwards.. Honda needs to innovate more, and have stuff that looks nice, dependable, not recycled looking.. Otherwise people be going with polaris, can-am, etc.. Which especially with polaris is not as dependable..
I'll stick with my 520 as my around the house workhorse as it's setup that way. I had always planned on buying a bigger machine for trails and fun but when I heated the rumor about the 700 rubicon coming out I decided to wait. Now I'm positive I'm going with a Grizzly because as you said it's just a rebranded Rincon and a complete let down.
It is a total let down. The grizzly is a good option. A little part of me really wants to take a good look at that Can Am arenegade 700.
I got the grizzly and going back to the Honda. Despite what everyone says they are made cheap and not built to last.
Oh ya!! I've heard the fit and finish isn't the best.
I liked the idea when I heard about it coming out. I already have a 2024 520 irs footshift Rubicon.
I agree no power steering, no front locking diff and the three speed transmission taken from the 700 sxs is a huge mistake.
I'd never even consider it.
I was excited too!! When I saw the title of the release i was ready to buy! Then the dissapointment.
I stay with my tgb 1000 cc from 2020 works perfectly
I grew up Honda and feel the same way.. I left them in the dust for Polaris and can am products.. I will tell you though, if Honda ever gets the thumb out of it and produces a 1000 cc Atv, I will sell everything to get one!
I've been a Honda fan all my life bought a Yamaha Kodiak 700 and I'll never go back. Here to hoping Yamaha makes a twin 850 or 1000 🤞🏻
Man I left Honda when all they gave us was the 520cc over the 500cc bought a grizzly and will never look back . Just as reliable or maybe even more reliable . The dct transmission has there issues
Ya thay was a bit of a slap in the face aa well. Grizzly looks really appealing these days. Glad you like it.
I owned Honda's for years including this model. Now own Can Am XTP 1000 Max with no regrets! Can Am's absolutely rip on the trails! Make the switch you'll be glad you did!
Agreed! I still own a 2012 Outlander 1000 and it just turned over 8,300 miles. Still no problems with it! I beat that machine and it holds up amazingly!
Totally agree! Very disappointed with this new 700
100%
I bought the new 700 xt canam and it's a great. The ride is so good and plenty enough power!
If that machine existed in 2021 when I bought mine , i'd be a can am rider.
@poppymonroewild it's definitely something to look at for your next machine. I would of went with the XMR if I was buying for myself but had to get the MAX so I can take the kids around comfortably. Really can't get over how well this handles the whoops it rides amazing.
I'll keep my 2004 Rincon. Rides like your on air never broke down and had it up to 73mph and it had more.
Nice bud! Classics are great machines
They should have added at least a low range to the 3 speed tranny, power steering and a differential locker. This would have made a huge difference.
Ok....i can get behind that. Still not the machine we are asking for but at least it wouodn't be such a slap in the face. Acceptable compromise!
Sorry boys i have wanted Honda to play the power tech game for so long it finaly kicked me right in the back of the head my 86 250r is fast still and runs like a champ my 04 450 Foreman goes 47 but has been a work beast my 2 110 ATCs still run ya know what doesnt run all my friends Polaris 850s 900s, canam same. I really like that im still running strong and some of those parts being used for years is only better for the buyer when you need an old part oh wait they still use that switch awsome easy to find if you brake it. I love my Hondas and they are the best money i have spent besides kids. 10 more MPH cost alot of people alot of money and now turning SxS into $40k rolling trail couches. Well i have to go change my power stearing fluid in all my Hondas especially the 4x4 its soooooo hard to turn😂, yeah we can tell.
You said it bawwd!
Love my Can am 1000 xt max. I did the switch from Yamaha because i was so impressed with my Ski-doo. Little more preventative maintenance required but crap loads of power!!
Ya I'm really impressed with my sled. Thinking of also making the swtich.
100%. I’m a big-time fan of Honda Powersports and I’m looking at buying my first ATV I like the features of the 520 but I want something with more power and the 700 is a complete letdown. I don’t know what Honda is thinking it’s not like they don’t have the fan base to justify the R&D to upgrade the 700. Probably gonna end up going with a king quad 750
I can tell you that after a few years of working for a large Japanese manufacturer, I’m figuring out that the Japanese are painfully calculated and at times very slow to bring new products to market vs their competitors, but when a product FINALLY hits the market, it’s usually pretty legit. In the case of Honda, they take all that to the absolute extreme. However, they still sell for more and hold great value, so from a business standpoint…I guess I get it.
I don’t think Honda needs a mega HP Rubicon and don’t believe the people who complain about that are Honda’s intended market, but I don’t think it’s a big ask for something closer to a Grizzly or KQ in the engine department.
I agree with you. But i think its time theu give us something and stop wasting time putting new plastics on an old machine.
@@poppymonroewild Oh I’m with you on that 100%. The point I’m trying to make is that it doesn’t have to be a Brute Outlander 1500 with a wheelie button and that isn’t their intended market. A reasonable bump in power or larger single cylinder engine option would be perfect and Honda faithful would pay that premium.
Power steering and a transmission upgrade would do it for me.
I been a Honda fan for more than 20 years! First one was in 2000. Got excited when I just seen a rubicon 700 and I thought, oh cool they reworked the Rincon engine to a dct trans and stuffed it in the rubicon chassis! Nope, shifter gave it away immediately! Just the Rincon with fresh plastic. Jumped on the talon bandwagon in 2019 and didn’t hate it. It’s been a great reliable rig, but overall I’m disappointed with Honda. When I make another 20+k purchase it may not be going into Hondas pocket.
I hear ya. I've been looking at a Talon but my bank account disagrees. I may switch to Cam Am. Tired of being dissapointed.
I have a 420 rancher I bought years back and liked it so much I bouth a 2020 Rubicon 520. Stock the 420 was faster. I had to put bigger tires on the 520, a power commander, hmf full exhaust and then it was slightly faster than the rancher. Its nice but I was into the rancher for half price. Then in 2022 since we have had good luck with our yamaha wolverine x2 I bought a Grizzly. Wow. What a difference. Suspension is way better, no more vibration through the foot pegs, plenty of giddy up, comfy seat, and no more jerks from the transmission as it goes through the drive ratios since the cvt is smooth vs the DCT. The only thing my honda's do better is they are slightly quieter, slight better mpg, maybe a little lighter. In hindsight I would only recommend a honda four wheeler if you absolutely need the geared trans (deep mud water concerns) and get it used for a great price. If buying new its hard to beat the grizzly or a few bucks less the kodiak. The other brands are a coin flip on reliability but if I had to pick through them the new canam outlander 700 and maybe a cfmoto as they have come a long way.
The Grizzly is easily the best all around sport utility out there. It's not as fast some in a straight line but it handles so much better that it will probably beat anything out there on the trails. And compared to Honda it is very fast and way more fun.
I'm with you, I think Honda has terrible product management and marketing in this market. I bought a RIncon new in 2003, which was an amazing machine for its day, with an amazing suspension. The slushbox transmission was geared too high at low speeds, it wasn't fuel injected, no power steering, but a fun machine, if not really competing with competitors flagship product features. Twenty years later, with bad shoulders and tired of re-jetting the carb twice a year, I bought a Rubicon 520 EPS DCT because the "new" Rincon was so completely out of date. The Rubicon has great utility and wonderful (if buggy) transmission, but it's under-powered and slow. It seems like Honda is saying to loyal customers that wish for better: "if you like competitor's features, go buy their products."
Oh ya not fuel injected. I never looked to see if the new one is fuel injected or carb. Ya they just want us to buy the other brands.
@@poppymonroewild The Rincon got injection in 2007 or so... but no power steering to this day, with the same old slushbox and underpowered motor.
@michaelcarpenter8591 its sad
I found a 2008 trx250 with a seized head. I bought a cylinder kit from Amazon and put it back together, cleaned the carb and cleaned up the bike. Runs great, and it's actually more fun to ride than my '21 sportsman 450. Sorry to sound old, but the new stuff just sucks.
Polaris sucks!
@@edwardabrahamiii3742 Only if you don't take care of it. Never had an issue with either of mine.
Was so excited when I saw it as well...then looked closer, what a disappointment! I was fed up with Honda when they don't give us the consumer what we are looking for. So last year sold my 2016 420 and bought the new CanAm outlander 700 MAX XT, so worth it so far. Love the 2up, the power, the plush ride and the price was decent as well.
Nice!
I'm seriously considering making the jump.
I’m a Honda fan but only because I like having gears. Nothing wrong with cvt I just like gears better. I also like power steering locking front differential and low range. Why does honda keep leaving us with wanting more.i just can’t make sense of what they do.im at a loss for any better words to say
I will NOT buy the new old Rincon that they are calling a rubicon. As a Honda rubicon 520 owner i feel insulted they are making a fake rubicon rincon that don’t have what people need and want in a ATV.
Idk I have a 1993 Honda fourtrax 300 and why would I buy a quad that has the same tow rating (850lbs) but with twice the power give it a better transmission with a low gear so then I can do stuff with it I go hunting so I would like more tow capacity I couldn’t care abt power steering I own a fourtrax 300 from 1993 I’m use to it I just want an updated quad with more tow capacity
I feel like getting a dct 5 speed transmission with a low range(like the rubi 520) and eps would be enough, the 680 motor is a torque beast that is let down by a 3 speed transmission, eps is a good thing to have because when you steer the weight steers the wheels back to the middle so you gotta fight to steer, not so much of a problem on the 420 since it's lighter, imo diff lock isn't necessary considering the rincon still has 2 brake levers and i never needed diff lock whatsoever.
I can agree with these. The 5 speed alone would probably make it appealing to riders
Can you imagine if they put the Goldwing 1800 cc engine and transmission in an atv? That would be insane.
Hahhah put it into the TRX700xx platform!!
I'm so disappointed. I love my 2022 rubicon deluxe. I thought maybe this would be the power bump we've been waiting for. But there is absolutely no point in me trading something with power steering. Diff lock. And can tow over 1200lbs. Unless I'm missing something? I can buy an old Rincon on marketplace for a third of the price and specs
Yes you probably can. Why pay new prices for an old machine.
I've been a Honda guy my whole life. I did try a Can-Am DS450 but didn't like it. I sold my Rubicon 500 because it was a terrible trail bike. I'm hoping Honda does something cool with the Rincon name but I'm not holding my breath. If I go SxS I would 100% go with a Talon but if I stick to an ATV, and Honda does nothing, I've be getting a Grizz.
I've also thought about a talon. Hard to find in my area and $$$$$
They already took rincon out of Canada a few years ago. Now it's back. Transmission upgrade and power steering at least to make it interesting. I'll stick with the 520 for now.
Me too!
I’m a Honda guy but this is such a let down I think Honda thinks that whatever we put out there people will buy it I think that they screwed up this time here I come Suzuki 750
Totally agree!
Crazy that Honda would try to pass this along as a Rubicon. Time for me to stop waiting and move on. I think it is time for me to check out a Grizzly.
I hear ya. How much let down can the consumers take.
Wait until June 2025 when they drop the 1000 Atv. They’re building them now. I seen pics of them come down the assembly line within the last week
I hope you're right!!!
What about a new 450r sport quad?
are they really ? where can we see those pics ?
A 5-speed 700 Rincon is awesome to me. If 3 speed, I still like it but 5 speed is better. Honda doesn't release products that will give you problems like other brands. I prefer that way. I don't like other brands that keep releasing high-speed 1000cc ATVs but it's problematic. The problem is stressful lols.
@@mukhanglarochannel4774 I know you’re correct, Honda won’t sale you something you are going to need to take back in a few weeks because of some quality issues like many of the other brands. The Rubicon 700 may not meet some people’s expectations of what “ THEY “ think it should be, but Honda knows what they are doing, they been doing it for a very long time. They don’t build temporary machines that struggle to reach 10,000 miles without repair. The most miles I have seen on a Polaris was a Polaris Ranger on a farm that had 17,000 miles but required a lot of engine work to get it there. I have seen Hondas exceed 40,000 miles, but claims of over 50,000 miles, of course that is a lot of miles to ride an ATV. Can Am it remains to be seen
Honda has a reputation for reliability but, it’s very easy to make a reliable product when you don’t innovate for years on end and push out less performance per CC than other manufacturers.
Briggs and Stratton make a reliable engine as well, so what?
Fair point.
Honda was number one for about 30 years now i would say they are about 5 in the world sad sad sad
Just can't keep up with the times.
Honda. I agree dropped the ball big time. No power steering?????? Same clearance and now didd lock. Honda thinks that people will by this,,, big flop!!!! I was looking to buy another hind and not now. My rincon is the best bike I have ever had and I was ready to buy another Honda. I will have to wait now and keep waiting. Everything from boat motors, brush cutter, snow blowers and lawn mowers I have all Honda. What is up with Honda and their four wheelers. You said it perfect, it like Honda wants us to hate them or change to a other product or something. Who thinks this shit up for Honda. Especially in canada they do not listen or update the basics. I hope hinda is bot test marketing the 700 to see if there are people that would buy a bigger bike because this would not give an indication as they have not upgrades anything with the 700. I will not buy a new Honda now
Totally agree. I too have all honda stuff, and am feelling really cheated by them on this one. Thanks for watching!
it's the same in the states too
No power steering on a 700 is so stupid. I'm chompin at the bit for them to put eps and the talon 1000 motor and trans in the rincon frame, but until they do, I'll buy other brands. We use hondas on the farm but they're too slow for the trail so they only get half the revenue they could be getting from me
I totally agree. Its crazy they have all the parts and don't do it.
You are getting great reliability first rate.
Honda still thinks they can sell their products based on the Honda badging. I'm not a Honda rider, driver, or boater anymore. I went to Toyota and Yamaha. No regrets.
I guess they think we are stupid 😂
Born yesterday.
No LED headlights, no power steering, no foot shift, and yeah basically a rincon with new plastics
It's super sad.
Got a original 500 hydrostatic, they never made anything better
Old school!! Nice!
Honda shot themselves in the foot with the transalp too.
All we wanted was a more basic, cheaper Africa twin.. but got a bike woth less capability than expected. Basically a 750cc KLR650.
Ohhh yaaa!! Thats right!!
That Engine and trans are great but needs a gear reduction which is rumored they may have done that. I hope anyways. But yes should have at least had power steering and just used the diffs from the current 520 atleast I'm sure would of worked. However it's a proven power train just lacks in the first gear as any Rincon owner will tell you they are dogs. But can rip at higher speeds. Hope the gear reduction was done at a minimum or else yes no one who does any research would think to buy it
ill stay with my 2005 Rincon w/GPS that i dont know how to use
Seriously never thought I’d ever see a “new machine😂” that would make a Grizzly appear powerful and state of the art. What a sick joke.
Hahahaha someone called it the grizzly killer!!
I personally like hondas better because of the reliability, but they have barely any horsepower. If canAM and honda had a baby, that would be the perfect four wheeler
Heck ya!
It’s called a grizzly
Left honda years ago. Great machines just underpowered. The only Hondas I ride are my 250sx and FL250.
I ride my sportsman 1000.and 2023 Arctic Cat Alterra 600 more than my 2020 Rubicon.
Honda 250SX! Nice!!
ive never liked hondas but i do have friends who have always been die hard honda guys, well they are riding can ams and polaris's waiting for an actually fun honda to come. they were so pumped when they seen this and quickly massive disappointment to the point there starting to loose that honda love all together
i think honda doesn't care about there customers, i think honda says it doesn't mater what we make our name will sell it. well finally catching up with them.
I think you're right. This kind of stunt makes the die hards question their loyalty.
Yamaha and Honda need to get their shit together and build a better bigger quad
Honda has been a big disappointment for years now. Way behind anyone else. Wanting to buy a pioneer 1000 but until they put HVAC in I’m seriously considering Can-am.
Me too! A maverick sport
Don’t buy the Honda for how it runs and performs in 2024, buy it for how it will run in 2044 long after the Polaris and Can Am’s have been put in the Junk yard
Haha you can say that about carbed machines but not FI Honda machines that have more electronics than a Can Am or Polaris.
Except thats 20 years of being dissatisfied.
Wow the price is like $4-5K more than US plus the finance is at an insane rate. Liberal canada for you.
Why do guys up north call 4 wheelers, Bikes? It has 4 wheels not 2 like…you know, a bike.
Hahaha just the way we roll bawwwd!! Quad is also acceptable.
lol wow , I like 02-04 Rubi the best , looks good too.
It is not a DCT. It's a hydrostastic transmission
Oh ya you're right! Even less value. It just gets more brutal the more you look at it.
Yeah we just have to stay patient if you want the best you just got to be patient, but if I were you I would definitely not buy a Can-Am especially if you were used to reliability because you will be very disappointed those things are absolutely garbage I don't understand why the snow machines are pretty good but their ATVs or a disaster but don't take my word for it please do your research before you spend big dollars on these things, I know a few people that own them and they're selling them😅 they have nothing but problems with them I would rather walk on the trails waste my money fixing a Can-Am all the time
Probably because the sleds are $10k more than the 4 wheelers
@@poppymonroewild yeah that's probably why they're better quality I guess but I found the Bombardier always made good snow machines, but they're ATVs are nothing to be desired for once Honda realizes they have a flop of an ATV here I'm sure they're going to fix it within the next year or two we just have to keep letting them have it let them know it's garbage fix it!! Lol
I'm patient but not going to live forever.😁
Yep. I bought the wife a rancher and then bought myself a kingquad 750 and I wish everyday I'd bought her a suzuki. Hands down
This is more of the type of riding that the Rubicon 700 is geared towards, at this it excels above the 420’s, and 520’s. People didn’t get the 700 they “ WANTED “ , but that wasn’t Honda’s goal. Honda is just being Honda . . . Reliable. It is a solid machine. Honda isn’t falling behind, Honda has proven they are the gold standard for reliability, not even Yamaha has the track record Honda has. It’s like Toyota, they don’t come out with the newest latest features like the big 3, but they will outlast them all. ruclips.net/video/IuTONL9UYuU/видео.htmlsi=Xd9FXv8qC5_Gv-Kl
thats why i buy ca am 700 xt
The Can Am 700 was released after I bought my Honda. If it was out back then I would be totally on a can am.
ii will stick with my older honda's
They had a "680" Rincon but they call this Rubicon a 700 but BOTH ARE 675cc!!! lmao what a joke
Here is another example of trail systems that pair up better with the Rincon, and Rubicon 700. I’m from southern West Virginia down from Logan, and Boone counties where the Hatfield and McCoy trails are. I lived there for 30yrs riding in those mountains. I understand the need for low gearing, diff lock , etc , but I now live in Wisconsin, the trails are much different up here, and all that low end, diff lock, even 4wd isn’t all that necessary always . Here is another example ruclips.net/video/8qjVrEjLdxs/видео.htmlsi=lp6udXUL-jWgf0UD
Agreed, super disappointed...
Hondas are just boring and can't keep up with new technology. Canam is on top
Alrighty then. Thanks for the open mind!
The world is a big place, and there is a lot of different types of terrain and environments. The Rincon 680, and Rubicon 700 do better in certain situations where higher gearing makes more sense. Low end torque isn’t always necessary for all types of riding. You have to look at a bigger picture. The Rincon, and Rubicon 700 will get you around larger areas faster than the 420’s, and 520’s ruclips.net/video/CbrOYt4aws4/видео.htmlsi=Nz7PDyrJX6h8w9ZM
There are way better options than the Rincon for that application, and no one who wants to go "fast" in confort buys a Honda. In Canada the Rincon is mostly a total let down.
@@poppymonroewild As far as a machine that’s reliable for the long term, there really isn’t. The Grizzly is okay, but Polaris and Can Am lack quality control. It just depends on what type of riding you do, and where. I’ve rode ATVs since a small child, and lots of it. In West Virginia I wouldn’t consider it a good option because if the terrain, but in places like Arizona, or Wisconsin it would be a good reliable option. I know Honda, we will need to wait to see them in person, and some honest reviews, but I figure it’s primarily the same Rincon 680 with some additional tuning for a little more performance. It definitely looks better in my opinion. Yeah they could have turned it into a 720 just like the 420, and 520 only a little more displacement, but that’s not much different. Honda won’t likely do anything drastic as far as changes go, that’s just not Honda. Japanese manufacturers have a different marketing strategy than Polaris and Can Am. Reliable machines are the Japanese manufacturers priority. The Kawasaki Brute Force 750 only got aesthetic changes as well, but it too is a solid machine. The Yamaha Grizzly hasn’t changed much either. The Suzuki King Quad is still the same. They don’t change things up every few years, they just change the colors basically. The new outlanders have had some quality control issues as far as loose bolts, and hoses from the dealers. I mean having crankcase bolts hanging out unsecured on a brand new $12,000.00 plus machine shouldn’t be happening. Even the Yamaha’s have had fuel pump issues, as well as reports of bolts falling off at random places on the skid plates, fenders, etc. Not the motor. Honda holds the top position as the most reliable machine all around, with good quality control. I have had Polaris, Can Ams while powerful, are for the most part more of a short term machine until the next thing comes out. Polaris rides smooth, but still suffers from quality issues. I know Honda seems dull, boring, and the same old thing. Honda sticks with what works. They likely see enough sales that satisfy their profit margins.
Why can't we have torque and speed? A fourth gear and power steering would make me consider this.
I think tgats better, but the platform is still old. There is no reason for it.
The Honda Rubicon 700 will be a good machine, I know it’s basically the Rincon 680 with aesthetic updates. It may not be the 700 a lot people want, but that wasn’t Honda’s goal here. They know what they are doing, they know the market better than you or I. They know what people “ WANT “ , but that’s not what there goal is. The Rubicon 700 has its place, but it’s not designed for the same applications as the 420’s, or 520’s. Those two lines are for work oriented applications such as for Ranches, and Farms. That’s why they have lower gearing, and hitches. The Rincon 680, and now the Rubicon 700 are trail riding machines, intended for riding at higher speeds, which may also explain why they did not include assisted power steering, or a locker. Those other two machines the 420’s, and 520’s operate at slower speeds where lockers, and power steering makes more sense.
Honda thinks they are fooling atv riders.. They are wrong .. Honda riders are smart Honda should be ashamed of themselves
What a joke honda honda is not what they use to be bud sorry but its true
Ya i feel that too
Honda 700 not wroth it !
Hard no!
@@poppymonroewild that is right !
Not worth it either!
All Honda's are old machines with old technology & older underwhelming specs!
LOL it's the Honda you'vebeenconned 700
Hahaha perfect name!
I will never buy a canam every again bought one brand new and the motor blew up at 200 miles pile of garbage there just as bad as polaris
HONDA , YOU ARE SO VERY SLACK.. U MAY AS WELL GIVE UP BECAUSE YOU ARE OUT OF DATE BY FAR, AND CANT KEEP UP WITH THE REST OF THE FLEETS
Thanks man! 100%
Garbage machine
Sorry but the Rincon engine is garbage, 520 engine over anything out there
Agree. But would like a 700 or 1000
@@poppymonroewild on a 450 or 520 version, the 680 design is a piece of shit. I have 2 that's why I say it
@@poppymonroewild everything rattles on that engine after 1000miles