Mrs. Reger the contestant is from Norfolk Virginia a wonderful city back then. I don't know what it's like now, but as a kid from 1957 till 1963 I enjoyed living there with my grandma and grandpa before I was school age. She even reminds me of my grandma. :-)
These panelists especially Dorothy and Frances are sharp. Dorothy gets the "line" with a great acuity. Showing how well read & involved they are in the world around them.
3:36 -- quick shot of John Daly's pants in sartorial disarray. That Feb 1961 episode where Dorothy Kilgallen was the mystery guest was another instants where Daly's boots got in the way of his trousers.
soulierinvestments I remember that. That must be what John was referring to when he said this problem usually happens when he's wearing his Western boots. I was surprised when I watched it to see that John's choice of boots on a snowy day was a cowboy-style pair. Somehow he doesn't come across as the cowboy type! :)
Hackett was embroiled in "It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World" by Stanley Kramer which was the major industry in California in 1962 and 1963. The thing was so long that even today it is not entirely clear that all of it is in the currently available DVD release.
If we have that same DVD (the one on which the cover announces a surprisingly won Best Song Oscar), it can be wondered whether or not the actual 1963 theater release (which is what we now see, both on DVD and occasionally on TCM, in its original Panavision) ever had any deleted scenes, since a lengthy 3-hour comedy movie might indicate that all the slapstick at the time was included to largely or briefly showcase all of the actors at some point...
Lie detector operator, Interesting profession. She's also from my favourite city, Norfolk Virginia. I spent many a summer there with my grandparents in the late 1950's and early 1960's as a child.
Bishop and Hackett did two brilliant comic routines on WML in 1962. There was the time when Hackett made his appearance as a guest panelist and Bishop walked out confused about his own scheduled appearance. And then the exchange at the end of the sequence. Later in the year, Hackett was on hand to introduce her when Dorothy's introduction of Bennett got cut off by either her drunken sneeze or a small stroke.
Joey Bishop appeared 4 years later in 1966 as a MG when Buddy Hackett was a guest panelist and they both referenced this episode with Joey taking Buddy to the airport cause Buddy "had to catch a plane to Chicago". Priceless!!!
According to an SEC news release on 1/23/1963, Vend-Mart Inc. of Manhattan was going to file for a public offering of 60,000 shares of its stock at $4 per share. According to the information provided in the summary, the company was organized in 1961 and only commenced actual business operations the month prior to this episode airing. In addition to coin-operated ice vending machines, they also had coin-operated laundry washing machines and dryers. Their business at this time was limited to NY and NJ. The challenger, Stephen Schlossman, was President of the company and one of two principal shareholders, owning 38.2% of the stock prior to the public offering. There is a different company named Vend Mart Inc. that appears to be unrelated to the one that Mr. Schlossman was involved in. The Vend Mart that is currently in operation was founded in 1983 and operates in Northern California.
I seem to recall an old WML episode from a few years prior that concerned someone selling ice. Apparently, as recently as the '50s ice was not yet sold in stores and the ice man still made deliveries.
Joey Bishop here taking a break from the Rat Pack. Hanging out in Las Vegas with Frank, Dean and the gang. Banging the showgirls, partying 24/7 when not on stage. Joey eventually did something to offend Sinatra revoking his official status as member of the gang.
Second contestant: a fascinating discussion afterward . Dorothy was more correct than the contestant. The contestant had to explain her joke to Bennett Cerf. ?! Easily one of the most embarrassing moments in Bennett's WML history.
Johan Bengtsson soulierinvestments I thought Bennett was being deliberately obtuse there -- pretending not to get the joke just because John teased him about it. Upon viewing it a second time, I'm not so sure, though... It did look like he seriously didn't get it at first and didn't laugh about it until after it was explained to him.
soulierinvestments Bennett didn't have a clue that she was joking. Bennett is great on this show and would appear to be a great guy that likes to laugh, but he's got the sense of humor of a 3rd grader. Anything more sophisticated than a knock/knock joke or a corny pun is just way above his head.
+@@jvcomedy It's not exactly a lack of sophistication: his shtick on WML is being that guy who makes terrible puns at John Daly's expense. At other times & in other places he does show a more complex sense of humor. But, as I've said elsewhere, Bennett does not have a sardonic bone in his body. Often viewers take his simple compliments as disguised insults to others. Note, however, that his fellow panelists never take it that way: they know very well that he truly does not think that way!
soulierinvestments Dorothy was totally correct, the polygraph examiner was totally wrong. Polygraphs yield abundant false positives and false negatives, such that much of their value is to intimidate the uniformed. A much newer technology fMRI, which would have been science fiction in the 1960s, is considerably more accurate.
I wonder how many viewers of the live broadcast were disappointed that the mystery guest was not Richard Burton. His Ex Liz did show up as a mystery guest. Once. He never showed up to WML as a mystery guest. Hackett appeared on this program all totaled about 20 times and was usually just brilliant.
"The only way you can beat the machine is with a stick." I wonder if she would be willing to answer that question hooked up to a polygraph. 😀 When I was studying to become a psychologist, we students were taught *multiple* ways one could trick a polygraph (as an exercise to demonstrate just how valueless polygraphs were at detecting lies). That was FORTY years ago.
I have nothing against curly hair if it occurs naturally, but it's refreshing to see Arlene and Dorothy with new hairdos, they look very nice. I've never seen Buddy Hacketts stand up clips, I just remembered him from Hollywood Squares, lots of comments were negative but I think he's awesome
With all due respect to the second contestant, in 1978 I, and three other coworkers, were polygraphed over some potential stolen money. All four of us passed. However, it did come out later one of the other three did steal the money so he definitely beat the polygraph. If you could beat them in 1978 I have to believe you could have beaten them in 1962. And you wouldn't have needed a stick.
Hackett here signs in as Richard Burton and years later Woody Allen signed in as Cary Grant. I bet some in the TV audience were disappointed it wasn't Boone or Grant.
Someone like me. And definitely there would have been TV audience members disappointed that it wasn't Richard Burton, though at the time he was still embroiled in "Cleopatra" -- and Liz Taylor.
Here's something odd. The comment from soulierinvestments currently shows that it was posted 20 hours ago -- but the reply from David Von Pein shows that it was posted 21 hours ago! Have we entered a time warp somehow?
+soulierinvestments It reminds me of something that happened to me a few years ago. I was returning something I had bought at Walgreen's using my credit card. The twenty something young man who waited on me noticed my last name and asked me if I am related to a certain celebrity with the same last name. (I'm not.) I complimented him on knowing about this person so far before his time. He replied that he knew a lot about music from before he was born. I was stumped for a moment. Then I realized that I thought he was talking about the actress, Jean Simmons, but he was talking about Gene Simmons from KISS.
You & apparently 11 other people misunderstood. Dorothy said "Are you an Iceman Cometh?", referring to the play by Eugene O'Neill & he said "I'm not O'Neill, I know that..."
The guest said no one has successfully beaten a lie-detector: what a load of malarkey! Besides hearing of this several times in crime documentaries, but my own experience. After taking one to be a guard (during college), the operator doubted whether I had been truthful! Made me quite angry.
Such outfits (with the jacket or coat lined and/or accented with the same pattern and/or material as the matching blouse) seemed to be the rage from the latter 1950s to the latter 1960s, considering what one saw in the media or in daily fashion at the time...
"The well trained polygraph examiner is able to detect the pathological liar." In 2001 a significant fraction of the scientific community considered polygraphy to be pseudoscience.
As a teenager back in the late 70's, I lied thru my teeth and passed a polygraph for employment at a drug store...so I therefore personally don't consider them viable tools for truth telling.
+@@sandrawallin3832 If you were a psychopath then your truthful As & untruthful As would show no differentiation. The "well-trained polygraph examiner" also asks Qs in which you knowingly tell the truth & knowingly lie. The psychopath will give the same flat response to the known lie. Of course it's impossible to determine anything about your experience at this late date. There are 3 basic ways to "beat the polygraph": drugs, hypnotism, & operant conditioning. The psychopath, assuming he knew his condition, could employ certain techniques used with drugs to pass the test.
I was working for a vending company in 1978 when four of us were polygraphed over some stolen money. We all passed but later one of the four confessed his guilt. So clearly he beat that machine that particular day. But of course that was 41 years ago. A lot could have (and probably has) changed since then.
For the lie detector, as George says in Seinfeld, "It's not a lie, if you believe it.". And if the subject believes what they are saying then their body won't react as if it's a lie.
Bennett's question at 16:06 and the subsequent discussion ignore the logic of the situation. If someone has successfully faked their lie-detector examination, the examiner wouldn't know it! Otherwise the faking wouldn't be successful. So there is no way that the question can be answered by the contestant or by any advocate of the use of polygraphs as being 100% accurate. Only an outside experimenter who had other ways of knowing who was faking and who wasn't could give statistics on the reliability of the machine. It's like asking the chief of police how many undetected crimes occur in his jurisdiction...you can't count something that is undetected; only the detected crimes can be included in the statistics.
james randi educational foundation (jref) offers $1,000,000 to anyone who can successfully demonstrate a lie detector that works... nobody has done so yet.
she is no different than any of the other panelists especially Bennett. She is a big gamer and plays to win..you should watch the episode where she and the panel are laughing so hard that they all almost had tears running down their faces..love Dorothy's laugh
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Buddy Hackett and Joey Bishop are both a riot together.
When Buddy appeared as MG here,"It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World" had just started filming.
RIP to a very funny man Buddy Hackett. Overdue condolences to the family :-(
Funny how? The way he talks?
I just love Buddy Hackett!
Mrs. Reger the contestant is from Norfolk Virginia a wonderful city back then. I don't know what it's like now, but as a kid from 1957 till 1963 I enjoyed living there with my grandma and grandpa before I was school age. She even reminds me of my grandma. :-)
These panelists especially Dorothy and Frances are sharp. Dorothy gets the "line" with a great acuity. Showing how well read & involved they are in the world around them.
3:36 -- quick shot of John Daly's pants in sartorial disarray. That Feb 1961 episode where Dorothy Kilgallen was the mystery guest was another instants where Daly's boots got in the way of his trousers.
soulierinvestments
I remember that. That must be what John was referring to when he said this problem usually happens when he's wearing his Western boots. I was surprised when I watched it to see that John's choice of boots on a snowy day was a cowboy-style pair. Somehow he doesn't come across as the cowboy type! :)
Thanks for the timestamp. Nice to catch a glimpse of what set the audience off.
It is Mother's Day, and both mothers (Dorothy and Arlene) guessed correctly in all three games.
*****
Yet nobody actually wished Arlene and Dorothy a happy Mother's Day -- hummmph!
Never ever heard a "Happy Father's day" on WML.. hummmmph!
Hackett was embroiled in "It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World" by Stanley Kramer which was the major industry in California in 1962 and 1963. The thing was so long that even today it is not entirely clear that all of it is in the currently available DVD release.
If we have that same DVD (the one on which the cover announces a surprisingly won Best Song Oscar), it can be wondered whether or not the actual 1963 theater release (which is what we now see, both on DVD and occasionally on TCM, in its original Panavision) ever had any deleted scenes, since a lengthy 3-hour comedy movie might indicate that all the slapstick at the time was included to largely or briefly showcase all of the actors at some point...
Lie detector operator, Interesting profession. She's also from my favourite city, Norfolk Virginia. I spent many a summer there with my grandparents in the late 1950's and early 1960's as a child.
Bishop and Hackett did two brilliant comic routines on WML in 1962. There was the time when Hackett made his appearance as a guest panelist and Bishop walked out confused about his own scheduled appearance. And then the exchange at the end of the sequence. Later in the year, Hackett was on hand to introduce her when Dorothy's introduction of Bennett got cut off by either her drunken sneeze or a small stroke.
soulierinvestments
Buddy was delightful in his turn as Mystery Guest here -- and the repartee between Buddy and Joey was priceless!
Joey Bishop appeared 4 years later in 1966 as a MG when Buddy Hackett was a guest panelist and they both referenced this episode with Joey taking Buddy to the airport cause Buddy "had to catch a plane to Chicago". Priceless!!!
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According to an SEC news release on 1/23/1963, Vend-Mart Inc. of Manhattan was going to file for a public offering of 60,000 shares of its stock at $4 per share. According to the information provided in the summary, the company was organized in 1961 and only commenced actual business operations the month prior to this episode airing. In addition to coin-operated ice vending machines, they also had coin-operated laundry washing machines and dryers. Their business at this time was limited to NY and NJ.
The challenger, Stephen Schlossman, was President of the company and one of two principal shareholders, owning 38.2% of the stock prior to the public offering.
There is a different company named Vend Mart Inc. that appears to be unrelated to the one that Mr. Schlossman was involved in. The Vend Mart that is currently in operation was founded in 1983 and operates in Northern California.
I seem to recall an old WML episode from a few years prior that concerned someone selling ice. Apparently, as recently as the '50s ice was not yet sold in stores and the ice man still made deliveries.
We need to know this.
Dorothy might have thought the MG was Jim Backus when she said horizontal. The Horizontal Lieutenant released in April '62.
There is a Maxine Rieger listed as living in Norfolk who is approximately 94 years old.
Joey Bishop here taking a break from the Rat Pack. Hanging out in Las Vegas with Frank, Dean and the gang. Banging the showgirls, partying 24/7 when not on stage. Joey eventually did something to offend Sinatra revoking his official status as member of the gang.
When Frank's son was kidnapped, he asked Joey to cover for him on his upcoming show and Joey demanded 50k to do so. (Or so the legend goes)
Second contestant: a fascinating discussion afterward . Dorothy was more correct than the contestant. The contestant had to explain her joke to Bennett Cerf. ?! Easily one of the most embarrassing moments in Bennett's WML history.
Even I, not being an american, understood that joke with "beat it with a stick". :) 16:18
Johan Bengtsson soulierinvestments
I thought Bennett was being deliberately obtuse there -- pretending not to get the joke just because John teased him about it. Upon viewing it a second time, I'm not so sure, though... It did look like he seriously didn't get it at first and didn't laugh about it until after it was explained to him.
soulierinvestments Bennett didn't have a clue that she was joking. Bennett is great on this show and would appear to be a great guy that likes to laugh, but he's got the sense of humor of a 3rd grader. Anything more sophisticated than a knock/knock joke or a corny pun is just way above his head.
+@@jvcomedy It's not exactly a lack of sophistication: his shtick on WML is being that guy who makes terrible puns at John Daly's expense. At other times & in other places he does show a more complex sense of humor.
But, as I've said elsewhere, Bennett does not have a sardonic bone in his body. Often viewers take his simple compliments as disguised insults to others. Note, however, that his fellow panelists never take it that way: they know very well that he truly does not think that way!
soulierinvestments Dorothy was totally correct, the polygraph examiner was totally wrong. Polygraphs yield abundant false positives and false negatives, such that much of their value is to intimidate the uniformed. A much newer technology fMRI, which would have been science fiction in the 1960s, is considerably more accurate.
Dorothy Kilgallen's hair looks very good in this episode
I wonder how many viewers of the live broadcast were disappointed that the mystery guest was not Richard Burton. His Ex Liz did show up as a mystery guest. Once. He never showed up to WML as a mystery guest. Hackett appeared on this program all totaled about 20 times and was usually just brilliant.
"The only way you can beat the machine is with a stick."
I wonder if she would be willing to answer that question hooked up to a polygraph. 😀
When I was studying to become a psychologist, we students were taught *multiple* ways one could trick a polygraph (as an exercise to demonstrate just how valueless polygraphs were at detecting lies).
That was FORTY years ago.
On my goodness I was 2 days old (May 11th)... I love Joey Bishop (btw, my late grandmother's maiden name)
How 'bout that !!
Flattering soft hairdo for Dorothy.
I have nothing against curly hair if it occurs naturally, but it's refreshing to see Arlene and Dorothy with new hairdos, they look very nice. I've never seen Buddy Hacketts stand up clips, I just remembered him from Hollywood Squares, lots of comments were negative but I think he's awesome
It seemed quite obvious that Buddy and Joey were really good friends...
With all due respect to the second contestant, in 1978 I, and three other coworkers, were polygraphed over some potential stolen money. All four of us passed. However, it did come out later one of the other three did steal the money so he definitely beat the polygraph. If you could beat them in 1978 I have to believe you could have beaten them in 1962. And you wouldn't have needed a stick.
There was the sound of a dog bark when the first contestant was introduced. I wonder if they had one in theater.
It was bring your dog to work day
Hackett here signs in as Richard Burton and years later Woody Allen signed in as Cary Grant. I bet some in the TV audience were disappointed it wasn't Boone or Grant.
Someone like me. And definitely there would have been TV audience members disappointed that it wasn't Richard Burton, though at the time he was still embroiled in "Cleopatra" -- and Liz Taylor.
Here's something odd. The comment from soulierinvestments currently shows that it was posted 20 hours ago -- but the reply from David Von Pein shows that it was posted 21 hours ago! Have we entered a time warp somehow?
Jack Benny signed in as Heifetz (the violinist) on one episode, Steve Allen as Remington Poof on another...
Bob Hope signed is as Bing Crosby (in the early 50s - I think Bob's first appearance)
An iceman that knows Eugene O'Neill. What a world it once was. How many guys who serve drinks now know Ryan let alone Eugene?
soulierinvestments
It sounded like he was actually in a management position at the ice machine vending company.
+soulierinvestments
It reminds me of something that happened to me a few years ago. I was returning something I had bought at Walgreen's using my credit card. The twenty something young man who waited on me noticed my last name and asked me if I am related to a certain celebrity with the same last name. (I'm not.)
I complimented him on knowing about this person so far before his time. He replied that he knew a lot about music from before he was born. I was stumped for a moment. Then I realized that I thought he was talking about the actress, Jean Simmons, but he was talking about Gene Simmons from KISS.
Lois Simmons I thought first of the exercise guru, Richard Simmons
You & apparently 11 other people misunderstood. Dorothy said "Are you an Iceman Cometh?", referring to the play by Eugene O'Neill & he said "I'm not O'Neill, I know that..."
The guest said no one has successfully beaten a lie-detector: what a load of malarkey! Besides hearing of this several times in crime documentaries, but my own experience. After taking one to be a guard (during college), the operator doubted whether I had been truthful! Made me quite angry.
Wow, to hear the term "pathological liar," I thought that was a modern term.
I sure thought Bennett and Dorothy had it early on in the MG segment.
Oh wow that was great! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! 😆
The lie detector lady definitely made her own dress lol
Well, we know that's not quite true - you can beat a lie detector, which is why they aren't considered 100% reliable anymore.
Bennett forgets that John is the moderator and not he when he shouts louder and louder until they HAVE to stop and listen to him. So childish.
One of the best moments on this show. Even funnier if Buddy could have gotten Joey to pick him up:
I think they knew if was Buddy Hackett.
Such trivial occupations.
Anything that could be sold. Was. Ice cubes,
Wow..
@D Casper.
You can still buy bags of ice prepackaged or bring your own container and they will fill it and weigh it up for you.
That's the best thing about the show, it is all walks of life, from the elite to the ordinary
I want the polygraph lady's outfit.
Such outfits (with the jacket or coat lined and/or accented with the same pattern and/or material as the matching blouse) seemed to be the rage from the latter 1950s to the latter 1960s, considering what one saw in the media or in daily fashion at the time...
"I-cy.. ."
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"The well trained polygraph examiner is able to detect the pathological liar."
In 2001 a significant fraction of the scientific community considered polygraphy to be pseudoscience.
Ruud van Oorschot It's still controversial, is it not?
As a teenager back in the late 70's, I lied thru my teeth and passed a polygraph for employment at a drug store...so I therefore personally don't consider them viable tools for truth telling.
WML aside, a significant percentage of the Ewetube community considers polygamy a viable lifestyle.
+@@sandrawallin3832 If you were a psychopath then your truthful As & untruthful As would show no differentiation. The "well-trained polygraph examiner" also asks Qs in which you knowingly tell the truth & knowingly lie. The psychopath will give the same flat response to the known lie.
Of course it's impossible to determine anything about your experience at this late date.
There are 3 basic ways to "beat the polygraph": drugs, hypnotism, & operant conditioning. The psychopath, assuming he knew his condition, could employ certain techniques used with drugs to pass the test.
I was working for a vending company in 1978 when four of us were polygraphed over some stolen money. We all passed but later one of the four confessed his guilt. So clearly he beat that machine that particular day. But of course that was 41 years ago. A lot could have (and probably has) changed since then.
23:12 Buddy tells John that he is opening in Chicago tomorrow and John promises to mention it. Well, he lied.
16:30 How did Bennett allow a pun to go totally over his head?
He must of been drunk
For the lie detector, as George says in Seinfeld, "It's not a lie, if you believe it.". And if the subject believes what they are saying then their body won't react as if it's a lie.
Bennett's question at 16:06 and the subsequent discussion ignore the logic of the situation. If someone has successfully faked their lie-detector examination, the examiner wouldn't know it! Otherwise the faking wouldn't be successful. So there is no way that the question can be answered by the contestant or by any advocate of the use of polygraphs as being 100% accurate. Only an outside experimenter who had other ways of knowing who was faking and who wasn't could give statistics on the reliability of the machine. It's like asking the chief of police how many undetected crimes occur in his jurisdiction...you can't count something that is undetected; only the detected crimes can be included in the statistics.
james randi educational foundation (jref) offers $1,000,000 to anyone who can successfully demonstrate a lie detector that works... nobody has done so yet.
Bennett and Buddy, both, talk like babies, like they're both very petted and spoiled by their parents. 😊 With "Baby Talk."
lie detectors can be beaten
John Charles Daly's hair...
It's a partial wig eh?
Not yet
“Rescerché”
Woody Allen later copied Buddy's shtick by signing in as Cary Grant.
Hackett gets on my last nerve with his baby talk
I find Dorothy tiresome and a bit of a camera hog, but you can't deny she's a smart lady
She is so serious and so persistent.
she is no different than any of the other panelists especially Bennett. She is a big gamer and plays to win..you should watch the episode where she and the panel are laughing so hard that they all almost had tears running down their faces..love Dorothy's laugh
there he goes again :( I am so SIIIIIICK of him flipping over those STUPID cards for no reason!!!
It's not about the game or money.
Buddy was everyone's favorite comedian on WML. Steve Allen was 'family' but not as funny.
Could never stand Hackett.
You're not the only one.