This has got to be my favourite Mystery Guest appearance from Joey Bishop, who is one of my favourite fourth panelists. I just love his witty humour and deadpan delivery... he's even smiling a lot more than usual in this episode!
This has been said many times, but Arlene's warmth truly is one of a kind. Beginning from her posture, mannerisms, enunciation, her vocal inflections, every single thing is on point. I wager that to have all these put together was rare even back then.
Lorna Badeo You're lucky that your public library still holds onto older books. I just started reading Arlene's memoir, but I had to buy a used copy of it online, because there is only one copy of the book in the entire New York Public Library system, and that's only available for in-library use. I also bought (for the same reason) and just finished reading Bennett Cerf's posthumously published memoir, titled "At Random," which I also recommend, although it focuses mainly on his publishing career and only includes a couple of pages on "What's My Line?" plus a few passing references to it in other parts of the book.
lol, what? He's exactly like most other comedian panelists....most of them had non-scripted wit...they all had their own delivery style, but most of them were clearly non-scripted and had wit. Bishop was par for the majority, not an exception to the majority.
@@waldolydecker8118 I did not say that any of the panel comedians were scripted in their WML participation. I was saying that Bishop was one of the few who were witty, even unscripted. If you think that Groucho, Buddy Hackett, Ernie Kovacs, Victor Borge, Mort Sahl etc were funny, rather than boorish and juvenile when appearing on the WNL panel, then I think we must agree to disagree.
@@Baskerville22- Did not have in mind any of the individuals you listed, as I would generally tend to agree with you on those. I would site Steve Allen and Fred Allen in particular as being far superior in unscripted wit to Joey Bishop in their appearances on the show and would put Robert Q Lewis and even occasionally Martin Gabel (a non-comedian) up there in making excellent unscripted witty remarks. I've always liked Bishop, but he's not on the wit level of either Allen - as nobody on that show was either.
@@waldolydecker8118 I agree that Steve Allen could be very amusing, though he was on several occasions 'primed' to ask questions that would elicit great hilarity from the studio audience. One instance was the episode featuring the lady who repaired zippers. I believe John Daly had that 'priming' stopped. I didn't regard Steve Allen as a comedian, though he was clearly a very intelligent chap with myriad talents. He was a semi-regular panelist for quite a while. I hadn't seen WML till the internet came along, as I live in Australia.
Has it not been an great opportunity for Bennet Cerf to introduce John Daly with a Limmerick? Something like This: There once was a News Commentator, He puzzled us sooner or later On this What's My Line, He's doing just fine, This great Panel Moderator. Limmericks are a mutch better fun than puns, i think, and Arlenes mentioning this book, was an Inspiration (for me) My first Limmerick in a foreign Language. I feel a bit proud ;-)
+Sabine Beyer There once was a poet named Beyer Whose humor couldn't get any dryer. In accord with our wish, She'd post auf Englisch So we could all be her admirer.
When I saw the first contestant, John Ficklin, I thought he must have been Eugene Allen's boss (Allen was the inspiration for Lee Daniel's _The Butler_). Thanks to SaveThe TPC's link, I see that he was.
This is sure part of history development; imagine yesterday weighting money in accordance to the first correct counted package when as today's automated money counting machines.
This is one of the very few times I've seen an African American constant the was not a celebrity or sports figure. Mr. Ficklin was Head Butler in the White House until the later end of the Reagan's first term. His brother also worked at the White House too.
Debra Battle Wow, that's a long career! Your comment got me interested in finding out more about John Ficklin. A quick internet search brought me to this recent article/photo essay about his White House service: www.washingtonian.com/blogs/capitalcomment/1600-pennsylvania-avenue/meet-the-white-house-butlers-boss.php.
Actually many of his family worked there. Obituary, including an eggnog recipe, at www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1984/12/18/john-ficklin-was-maitre-d-at-white-house/b50389f5-ad96-40df-9cf1-f34c2b1cdd99/?.3deacbef3e27
They had two or three African Americans in the early years, including a man who ran the elevator at the Statue of Liberty and a woman who ran a training camp for boxers. But I think at some point during the early years of the Civil Rights movement someone made a decision that they would have African-Americans with jobs that commanded respect. So we began to see Air Force officers, and diplomats, judges, and other jobs that would command respect, no matter who held the position. I believe it was a firm decision that they would have African-Americans who others could look up to and admire, and not in some job that people might laugh at, like selling worms or some other unusual job.
While Dorothy is thinking out loud, Arlene can be heard saying "coach" at 15:36. I doubt she meant it in the athletic sense, and I don't remember hearing the term in the sense of "life coach" until the 1980s, though this would overlap well with Miss Livingston's work. (Let me know if I'm wrong on when this usage began.) Most likely Arlene was using it in the sense of "dramatic coach"--one who helps actors prepare for roles. She would have sensed that Miss Livingston had something of the stage in her manner.
Joey Bishop did some great imitations. Oh nice did he ask that his earnings be sent to the cystic fibrosis Association. I’m surprised that all the celebrities didn’t have their winnings go to charity.
Washingtonian.com NEWS Meet the White House Butler’s Boss (Photos) The Ronald Reagan Presidential Library recently agreed to house a host of photographs, letters, and other memorabilia commemorating the career of John Ficklin, the longest-serving head of the White House domestic staff. WRITTEN BY WASHINGTONIAN STAFF | PUBLISHED ON JUNE 26, 2014 John Ficklin met his first President in 1939, shortly after his brother Charles got the 20-year-old John a job as a part-time pantry boy at the White House-an elevator opened and there was Franklin Roosevelt. The son of a former slave from Rappahannock County, John Ficklin would go on to serve eight more Presidents and rise to be maître d’, as the top White House butler is officially known-often the first person the President or First Lady sees in the morning and the last person he or she sees at night. Ficklin’s personal effects from the time, says Duke Blackwood, director of the Reagan library, “offer a rare insight into the social and cultural history of a national institution.” Ficklin retired in 1983 and died the next year. Here’s a remembrance by Alan DeValerio, one of his former servers.
5:03 LMAO at Arlene being reprimanded by Daly for shamelessly flirting with Jack Lemmon while seated on the panel. (I don't blame her, I would have flirted with Jack too. He was adorable.)
At 18:05, a rare and beautiful smile from Joey Bishop! Maybe he's breaking his stone-faced character because the panelists are blindfolded, but I'm glad that he forgot for a second that the camera was on him.
I have always felt a bit sorry for Joey Bishop, because the physical act of smiling sets off endorphins and can make a person feel much better. I wonder if he is as sad inside as he always appears?
I don't think Arlene was cheating though, more like she was whispering sweet nothings into Lemmon's ear. Seems like she (and perhaps also Dorothy) had a bit of a crush on him.
I can't be positive, but Miss Livingston may be a former opera singer. (Certainly, her voice is rich enough for it.) If she's the same Jorie Livingston showing up in 40s Billboards, then she had an operatic parody act for awhile, before changing professions. (Oh, I just caught up with John, who said so.) She died in 1974, and is the mother of dancer Leila Livingston.
What a shame! The woman who advises business leaders admitted that she did not perform the service for women. My wife was very good in business, but kept running into glass ceilings. Fortunately, if this woman were to answer this question now, the answer would have been yes.
Perhaps I am mistaken, but to me it seems that around late '59 and afterwards Dorothy seems a bit thinner. That said, I have noticed for sure that in some episodes she comes across as rather melancholic and sad. I can't quite sense the vigor she had in shows prior to the time frame mentioned.
Corleone so true. you definitely notice that her light dimmed a bit, a reflection of the personal turmoil perhaps. either way, kinda breaks my heart watching her sometimes.
Lorna Badeo It is sad. Despite the issue she had with John, and sometimes making some rather rude remarks, her wit and logic are commendable. From as far as I can remember, she has guessed the most lines out of the entire panel. Also, it is bittersweet because we've literally seen them age, and with 2 episodes a day it is going quite fast.
i concur. i think i left a comment on another WML page and episode where someone made reference to a rift with the panel. I said that having watched the episodes and read interviews, I don't believe that the rift is as dramatic as some folks have made it out to be. They were family. Period. They loved and respected each other immensely. This, of course, doesn't discount the disappointment ( i feel that with those you love this is the more logical emotion), John felt with the Mike Wallace debacle. I just don't believe that he "never forgave" Dorothy. On the contrary, if one watched subsequent episodes, they are fine. Again, not to discount the fact that further along Dorothy's career the panelists probably thought she sold her journalistic integrity down the river with her column becoming more gossipy than newsy. Even Bennett referenced the fact that Dorothy never was catty, or anything but lovely in person, but it came out in the columns. Arlene's bio notes that she had the utmost respect for Dorothy and her smarts. All in all any tension was most likely due to the fact that the other panelists had to put up a thin wall bc of the nature of Dorothy's column. I kinda took the direction of her column going with the direction of her self- confidence towards the end of her life. She had a particularly rough last 5 years it sounds. Poor thing. Essay over :P
Lorna Badeo First I'd like to say that I really appreciate such long and informative comments. I also agree with what you say. Despite it all, there is most certainly a kindness that emanates from her, and one cannot blame her for doing her best to bring the news first and maintain her column relevant, regardless of the direction she chose to do so. In the episode after this, again, there is this vulnerability about her that is quite prominent. And her death, based on what I've read, is pretty fishy. A little bit of a cover up I'd say, but then again we'll probably never know.
dgoldg To me, it just sounded like they both kept repeating "Miss," but that wouldn't really make sense. According to an article on the genesis of the title, "Ms." from the New York Times Magazine (www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/magazine/25FOB-onlanguage-t.html?_r=0), the idea of "Ms." was introduced as early as the turn of the 20th century, resurfaced in the late 40s, the 50s & early 60s, but never really caught on as an accepted alternative to "Miss" or "Mrs." until the 1970s. Here's a quote from the article: "Fraily and Schnell’s 'Practical Business Writing' of 1952, for instance, recommended it as a title 'that saves debating between Miss and Mrs.' Two years later, Brown and Doris’s 'Business Executive’s Handbook' briefly noted that 'a few business concerns now use "Ms."’ Outside of secretarial circles, however, Ms. remained largely unknown." So maybe the second contestant was stating a preference for "Ms." after all. If so, however, John was apparently not accepting it.
shannon7733 I actually think it may have been set up by Daly and Lemmon. Just the way it plays out seems like the typical, Jack Lemmon,"Oops, I've gone too far!" shtick. Brilliant, actually.
According to Wikipedia, April 17, 1955. There were too many cases of a Free Guess being accurate, which meant that an entire session was useless. Someone finally realized it was better to get rid of it.
I love this series, but sometimes the way the panel and moderator slobber over each other with praise gets to be a bit much. Actors take themselves and what they do way too seriously.
It's unsettling to realize that this was the November that Kennedy was elected. My heart breaks to see how far we have fallen. Sorry to get political but it is our history.
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This has got to be my favourite Mystery Guest appearance from Joey Bishop, who is one of my favourite fourth panelists. I just love his witty humour and deadpan delivery... he's even smiling a lot more than usual in this episode!
Tony Randall was also a frequent fourth panelist.
I love Joey Bishop’s dead pan expressions and his range of accents. A very natural funny man!
AMEN!!!!!
Absolutely love Joey Bishop. Love his style.
Agreed
I'm watching his TV sitcom from the 1960s. It was an amusing show.
Joey Bishop was a class act! All the people associated with this program were truly outstanding people.
Jack Lemmon was such a huge star so must have been an absolute honor to have him guest on the panel!
I hope Jack Lemmoj does Daphne from Some Like it Hot.
This has been said many times, but Arlene's warmth truly is one of a kind. Beginning from her posture, mannerisms, enunciation, her vocal inflections, every single thing is on point. I wager that to have all these put together was rare even back then.
Have a read of her memoir and charm book. Amazing that even through her words all of her warmth emanates.
Lorna Badeo
As a matter of fact, I've been thinking of doing so when I have a bit more free time.
Corleone
Great! You'll love em. Thank goodness our public library is huge and had her books on the shelf.
Lorna Badeo
You're lucky that your public library still holds onto older books. I just started reading Arlene's memoir, but I had to buy a used copy of it online, because there is only one copy of the book in the entire New York Public Library system, and that's only available for in-library use. I also bought (for the same reason) and just finished reading Bennett Cerf's posthumously published memoir, titled "At Random," which I also recommend, although it focuses mainly on his publishing career and only includes a couple of pages on "What's My Line?" plus a few passing references to it in other parts of the book.
SaveThe TPC b.
Unlike most other comedian panelists, Joey Bishop did have non-scripted wit and his delivery was understated and amusing.
lol, what? He's exactly like most other comedian panelists....most of them had non-scripted wit...they all had their own delivery style, but most of them were clearly non-scripted and had wit. Bishop was par for the majority, not an exception to the majority.
@@waldolydecker8118 I did not say that any of the panel comedians were scripted in their WML participation. I was saying that Bishop was one of the few who were witty, even unscripted.
If you think that Groucho, Buddy Hackett, Ernie Kovacs, Victor Borge, Mort Sahl etc were funny, rather than boorish and juvenile when appearing on the WNL panel, then I think we must agree to disagree.
@@Baskerville22- Did not have in mind any of the individuals you listed, as I would generally tend to agree with you on those. I would site Steve Allen and Fred Allen in particular as being far superior in unscripted wit to Joey Bishop in their appearances on the show and would put Robert Q Lewis and even occasionally Martin Gabel (a non-comedian) up there in making excellent unscripted witty remarks. I've always liked Bishop, but he's not on the wit level of either Allen - as nobody on that show was either.
@@waldolydecker8118 I agree that Steve Allen could be very amusing, though he was on several occasions 'primed' to ask questions that would elicit great hilarity from the studio audience. One instance was the episode featuring the lady who repaired zippers. I believe John Daly had that 'priming' stopped. I didn't regard Steve Allen as a comedian, though he was clearly a very intelligent chap with myriad talents. He was a semi-regular panelist for quite a while.
I hadn't seen WML till the internet came along, as I live in Australia.
First time I have heard Ms. used on WML. - I thought it came into use in the 1970s, but this is 1960. Interesting.
The history of "Ms" per Wikipedia makes this woman look like a clairvoyant.
Has it not been an great opportunity for Bennet Cerf to introduce John Daly with a Limmerick?
Something like This:
There once was a News Commentator,
He puzzled us sooner or later
On this What's My Line,
He's doing just fine,
This great Panel Moderator.
Limmericks are a mutch better fun than puns, i think, and Arlenes mentioning this book, was an Inspiration (for me) My first Limmerick in a foreign Language. I feel a bit proud ;-)
+Sabine Beyer
There once was a poet named Beyer
Whose humor couldn't get any dryer.
In accord with our wish,
She'd post auf Englisch
So we could all be her admirer.
Sad after 61 years there’s still no cure for cystic fibrosis
Dammit, I wish Bishop was still here!
When I saw the first contestant, John Ficklin, I thought he must have been Eugene Allen's boss (Allen was the inspiration for Lee Daniel's _The Butler_). Thanks to SaveThe TPC's link, I see that he was.
This is sure part of history development; imagine yesterday weighting money in accordance to the first correct counted package when as today's automated money counting machines.
Joey ,a great comic & member of Rat Pack
This is one of the very few times I've seen an African American constant the was not a celebrity or sports figure. Mr. Ficklin was Head Butler in the White House until the later end of the Reagan's first term. His brother also worked at the White House too.
it's kinda cool huh? i always get excited when i see an asian contestant NOT in traditional garb.
Debra Battle
Wow, that's a long career! Your comment got me interested in finding out more about John Ficklin. A quick internet search brought me to this recent article/photo essay about his White House service:
www.washingtonian.com/blogs/capitalcomment/1600-pennsylvania-avenue/meet-the-white-house-butlers-boss.php.
He seemed kind of shy to me, which was endearing.
Actually many of his family worked there. Obituary, including an eggnog recipe, at www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1984/12/18/john-ficklin-was-maitre-d-at-white-house/b50389f5-ad96-40df-9cf1-f34c2b1cdd99/?.3deacbef3e27
They had two or three African Americans in the early years, including a man who ran the elevator at the Statue of Liberty and a woman who ran a training camp for boxers. But I think at some point during the early years of the Civil Rights movement someone made a decision that they would have African-Americans with jobs that commanded respect. So we began to see Air Force officers, and diplomats, judges, and other jobs that would command respect, no matter who held the position. I believe it was a firm decision that they would have African-Americans who others could look up to and admire, and not in some job that people might laugh at, like selling worms or some other unusual job.
While Dorothy is thinking out loud, Arlene can be heard saying "coach" at 15:36. I doubt she meant it in the athletic sense, and I don't remember hearing the term in the sense of "life coach" until the 1980s, though this would overlap well with Miss Livingston's work. (Let me know if I'm wrong on when this usage began.) Most likely Arlene was using it in the sense of "dramatic coach"--one who helps actors prepare for roles. She would have sensed that Miss Livingston had something of the stage in her manner.
Joey Bishop did some great imitations. Oh nice did he ask that his earnings be sent to the cystic fibrosis Association. I’m surprised that all the celebrities didn’t have their winnings go to charity.
Washingtonian.com
NEWS
Meet the White House Butler’s Boss (Photos)
The Ronald Reagan Presidential Library recently agreed to house a host of photographs, letters, and other memorabilia commemorating the career of John Ficklin, the longest-serving head of the White House domestic staff.
WRITTEN BY WASHINGTONIAN STAFF | PUBLISHED ON JUNE 26, 2014
John Ficklin met his first President in 1939, shortly after his brother Charles got the 20-year-old John a job as a part-time pantry boy at the White House-an elevator opened and there was Franklin Roosevelt. The son of a former slave from Rappahannock County, John Ficklin would go on to serve eight more Presidents and rise to be maître d’, as the top White House butler is officially known-often the first person the President or First Lady sees in the morning and the last person he or she sees at night. Ficklin’s personal effects from the time, says Duke Blackwood, director of the Reagan library, “offer a rare insight into the social and cultural history of a national institution.” Ficklin retired in 1983 and died the next year. Here’s a remembrance by Alan DeValerio, one of his former servers.
5:03 LMAO at Arlene being reprimanded by Daly for shamelessly flirting with Jack Lemmon while seated on the panel. (I don't blame her, I would have flirted with Jack too. He was adorable.)
At 18:05, a rare and beautiful smile from Joey Bishop! Maybe he's breaking his stone-faced character because the panelists are blindfolded, but I'm glad that he forgot for a second that the camera was on him.
I have always felt a bit sorry for Joey Bishop, because the physical act of smiling sets off endorphins and can make a person feel much better. I wonder if he is as sad inside as he always appears?
As much as I love Joey's usual deadpan style, you simply cannot deny how adorable he is whenever he *does* crack a genuine smile!
Poor Arlene looked somewhat admonished after caught by John having an unauthorised conference with Jack Lemmon!
I don't think Arlene was cheating though, more like she was whispering sweet nothings into Lemmon's ear. Seems like she (and perhaps also Dorothy) had a bit of a crush on him.
What a talent!
Thank you.
The 1960 presidential election would be 2 days away, November 8: Kennedy vs Nixon
I never quite figured out why that assume that if a product can be found in a house, that it cannot be outside of the house.
I can't be positive, but Miss Livingston may be a former opera singer. (Certainly, her voice is rich enough for it.) If she's the same Jorie Livingston showing up in 40s Billboards, then she had an operatic parody act for awhile, before changing professions. (Oh, I just caught up with John, who said so.) She died in 1974, and is the mother of dancer Leila Livingston.
You are right Jorie Livingston was an opera singer. Changed her profession when she lost her singing voice due to Cancer.
+Leila Livingston
Always a pleasure to see a relative of one of the challengers posting a comment on here.
@Mark Thomas Or below. Thank you for the further information!
Such a beautiful Woman , why is Life so cruel ?
Bishop was funny, funnier than most mystery guests. Wish the panel hadn't been able to guess who he was.
Haha john is scolding the panel like school children.
They often act like school kids
Vote!, they said in the end. And they did, for Kennedy.
What a shame! The woman who advises business leaders admitted that she did not perform the service for women. My wife was very good in business, but kept running into glass ceilings. Fortunately, if this woman were to answer this question now, the answer would have been yes.
23:42 Bennett's unique accent: "Has your product or any part of it ever gro-wen?" First time I've heard the 'w' pronounced in that word.
yes
+Robert Melson
Did you gro-an when you heard it?
He had quite a few odd pronunciations.
Cerf is an idiot
I was praying for the panel to ask "Are you Hal Block" ?
I was wondering how Joey Bishop was going to do as the guest because at this point he more like a regular panelist.
I quite enjoy his dry humor as a panelist. It is quite refreshing.
A Great Game Show!👏👏👏
Holy crap!!! My third birthday!!! Yikes!!!
My 2nd birthday!
I was just born!
Joey Bishop might have kissed Jack Lemmon as Daphne (from Some Like it Hot).
looks like dorothy lost that fright wig...
I . they rush the final contestants. That wasn’t fair to them. They should’ve done something else at the end.
But at least all of them got 50$.
She was WML's answer to Kitty Carlisle.
What a pleasure
Louise Benoit was beautiful. I hope to age so wonderfully, but believe I’ll fail!
lol why is this on my recommendations 😂
I dont know why I noticed this but during the questioning of the second guest Dorothy's mouth looks funny.
Perhaps I am mistaken, but to me it seems that around late '59 and afterwards Dorothy seems a bit thinner. That said, I have noticed for sure that in some episodes she comes across as rather melancholic and sad. I can't quite sense the vigor she had in shows prior to the time frame mentioned.
Corleone
so true. you definitely notice that her light dimmed a bit, a reflection of the personal turmoil perhaps. either way, kinda breaks my heart watching her sometimes.
Lorna Badeo It is sad. Despite the issue she had with John, and sometimes making some rather rude remarks, her wit and logic are commendable. From as far as I can remember, she has guessed the most lines out of the entire panel. Also, it is bittersweet because we've literally seen them age, and with 2 episodes a day it is going quite fast.
i concur. i think i left a comment on another WML page and episode where someone made reference to a rift with the panel. I said that having watched the episodes and read interviews, I don't believe that the rift is as dramatic as some folks have made it out to be. They were family. Period. They loved and respected each other immensely. This, of course, doesn't discount the disappointment ( i feel that with those you love this is the more logical emotion), John felt with the Mike Wallace debacle. I just don't believe that he "never forgave" Dorothy. On the contrary, if one watched subsequent episodes, they are fine. Again, not to discount the fact that further along Dorothy's career the panelists probably thought she sold her journalistic integrity down the river with her column becoming more gossipy than newsy. Even Bennett referenced the fact that Dorothy never was catty, or anything but lovely in person, but it came out in the columns. Arlene's bio notes that she had the utmost respect for Dorothy and her smarts. All in all any tension was most likely due to the fact that the other panelists had to put up a thin wall bc of the nature of Dorothy's column. I kinda took the direction of her column going with the direction of her self- confidence towards the end of her life. She had a particularly rough last 5 years it sounds. Poor thing.
Essay over :P
Lorna Badeo
First I'd like to say that I really appreciate such long and informative comments.
I also agree with what you say. Despite it all, there is most certainly a kindness that emanates from her, and one cannot blame her for doing her best to bring the news first and maintain her column relevant, regardless of the direction she chose to do so. In the episode after this, again, there is this vulnerability about her that is quite prominent.
And her death, based on what I've read, is pretty fishy. A little bit of a cover up I'd say, but then again we'll probably never know.
Bennet probably knew beforehand who the first contestant was.
You are a big LIAR!
Was mr. Ficklin the man they based the movie The Butler on?
Ms. Livingston I presume.
Dorothy doesn't look well here. Is this before, she left the show for awhile?
Does the second contestant say she prefers to be called Ms.? That term wasn't in use yet in 1960 was it? Or did I misunderstand?
dgoldg
To me, it just sounded like they both kept repeating "Miss," but that wouldn't really make sense. According to an article on the genesis of the title, "Ms." from the New York Times Magazine
(www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/magazine/25FOB-onlanguage-t.html?_r=0), the idea of "Ms." was introduced as early as the turn of the 20th century, resurfaced in the late 40s, the 50s & early 60s, but never really caught on as an accepted alternative to "Miss" or "Mrs." until the 1970s.
Here's a quote from the article: "Fraily and Schnell’s 'Practical Business Writing' of 1952, for instance, recommended it as a title 'that saves debating between Miss and Mrs.' Two years later, Brown and Doris’s 'Business Executive’s Handbook' briefly noted that 'a few business concerns now use "Ms."’ Outside of secretarial circles, however, Ms. remained largely unknown."
So maybe the second contestant was stating a preference for "Ms." after all. If so, however, John was apparently not accepting it.
Pygiana
That makes sense.
SaveThe TPC Interesting info, though-- I had no idea the term "Ms" had been coined so much earlier than the 1970s.
What's My Line?
Neither did I until I researched it.
+SaveThe TPC I despise "Ms." It's not an abbreviation for anything & I never use it.
Is it me or did it seem that John was pre-occupied or possibly not in a great mood for at least the first half of this episode? Thoughts?
shannon7733 yeah, he seem annoyed. He got short with the panel at the beginning. Very rare to see him that way.
shannon7733 I actually think it may have been set up by Daly and Lemmon. Just the way it plays out seems like the typical, Jack Lemmon,"Oops, I've gone too far!" shtick.
Brilliant, actually.
+shannon7733 I thought exactly the same thing,
I think he thought it was rude of them to be talking when Jack was supposed to be questioning.
Yes they were talking and Bennett obviously knew about the butler ahead of timr
I’m curious. When did they get rid of the “free guesses” portion of the program?
According to Wikipedia, April 17, 1955. There were too many cases of a Free Guess being accurate, which meant that an entire session was useless. Someone finally realized it was better to get rid of it.
Yes they did, thank heavens. They no longer have the dreaded perp walk.
Ben-oy-t? Seriously?
I love this series, but sometimes the way the panel and moderator slobber over each other with praise gets to be a bit much. Actors take themselves and what they do way too seriously.
Randy Bailin It's just the style of the show, as far as the intros go.
thats the time
They were being polite and gracious, a characteristic of the time.
It's unsettling to realize that this was the November that Kennedy was elected. My heart breaks to see how far we have fallen. Sorry to get political but it is our history.
@@shirleyrombough8173 Right! It was just two days after this.
anyone else who came from my60stv?