Never before heard of this opera, however I have become some what obsessed with Nixon In China, I said, I said, I said, I said, I said I have become obsessed with this opera.
They are doing it live in Denver next month. Not sure where you are, but it would be worth the trip. I wish I could go. I went to his El Nino in LA and it was awesome.
@Eiswirth You obviously haven't listened to much of Pultizer Prize-winning composer John Adams' music. On the contrary, his music is very imaginative and he is arguably one of the top 20 composers of the 20th century.
jackal59 i think it’s supposed to be “oh say can you see” mixed with the theme of this news has a certain kind of, kind of myst-ah-ree, mista-reeEeeeeeEeeee
@yerejay I see where you're coming from, but it could just as easily be argued that such casting concerns have NEVER mattered in opera performance. Does that mean that they shouldn't matter to modern opera? No, of course not. Your point is well-taken, but if you allow your point to overwhelm what Adams accomplished here, you'll miss the point entirely.
@ezev8logos Sorry for the misunderstanding-- but I still disagree with you... I feel this is aiming for a completely different level. I understand where you're coming from, operas like Don Carlo are beautiful and in comparison this does kind of feel like some kind of off-beat musical. But if taken by itself, I really feel "Nixon in China" is one of the best contemporary operas. It takes a contemporary event and manages to bring a minimalist-sort of score which I think is simply beautiful.
@todtubbi I'd have a hard time categorizing this as better than WWS or P&B, but it's pretty good. Adams does kinda grow on you... well, some of his stuff.
@ad80ad Its not. you sound exactly like the audience members that condemned Berg and Stockhausen to academic obscurity. As for orchestration, Adams is par none the best alive, and as for form, john Adams employs a developed version of Stockhausen's moment form. and Like it or not, this is more modern than Berg, who was essentially Mahler turned to dodecaphony
I assume that judgement is based on my first 3 "favourites" here... of 224. If a judgement like that is not lightweight, then nothing is. The only way to defeat wit is with wit. I'm safe from you.
@rpbeanqueen Now, you're not supposed to say that aloud, nor write it. Next thing we know, you'll be implying Glass gets tedious at times, which means you hate art. [Psssst, thanks for being brave, whomever you are.]
It's very simple to throw down. It is sufficient open the score, see that inside there is not only one idea if not some Basso Albertino or some ABC of harmony, and close the score. But what I cannot explain is why a so living country like USA, when comes to classical music, turn to this absurd academism.
"fucking epic"? How wonderfully eloquent. All the words in the English language and that's what you came up with? If you liked the opera so much why not try to express your views in a way that is appropriate to a great work of art and not a beerhall?
It's this kind of snobbery that turns many people away from opera and classical music. This type of music is composed and performed to be enjoyed--not worshiped. The symphony hall isn't a church, and the opera house isn't a cathedral. It's much better for people to watch and listen to this opera, and say it's "fucking epic," than for it to go unwatched and unlistened-to. Let me conclude by saying that, in my considered opinion, John Adams is the shit, and Nixon in China is one sick opera.
Considering the irrational international tensions, perhaps this would be a good time to revive this brilliant opera to show that diplomacy has power and virtue.
Why is John Adams growing on me so much?...why have I only in the last few years heard of this stunning hidden genius of American music? First in Civ IV, then I heard "The Death of Klinghoffer," it stunned me...then I saw "Doctor Atomic" and I was floored by it... John Adams has tapped in to something...something cosmic.
I'm just now hearing Nixon in China, my first taste of Adams, and I'm shocked that I've never gravitated to it before, given my predilection for Philip Glass' works. If you're a Glass fan too, that would explain why it's growing on you. This seems very similar to The Photographer.
Unfortunately, paraphrasing John Adams himself, classical fans tend to be incredibly timid conservative, and music makers have to bow to market pressures. Many of us would rather hear Beethoven's 5th or 9th symphonies or Nachtmusik for the billionth time rather than try some new sonorities.
There is no 'should'-that's perhaps where you're going wrong. I listen to this wonderful music because I choose to, not because I feel obligated to. Isn't that how it should be?
This is sort of like listening to Wagner, in fact it feels like a hollow imitation of Wagner to my ears, except with the poetry and solemn religious themes replaced with "news!!! NEWS!!!! news!!!! news news news!!!!!!!! newssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!"
I absolutely love this section of Nixon in China--from the "Landing of the Spirit of'76" through "News Has a Kind of Mystery." Adams may be our greatest contemporary operatic composer.
1:10 Nixon arrives, waves 1:30 your flight was smooth? 2:46 into News aria 2:59 News Aria 3:47 though we spoke quietly 4:15 transforming us 4:53 On our flight (m. 476)
Maybe I can prevent further misunderstandings by explaining. First, my comment about "snobbery" was directed, not at this opera, but at a previous poster. I don't think this opera is snobbish. in fact, I really enjoy Nixon in China, along with other music by John Adams, which IMO deserves a wide audience. And when I described Adams as "the shit," and this opera as "sick," I was using those expressions jokingly, in their slang senses, to mean "excellent" and outstanding."
I witnessed this brilliant production in Amsterdam in 1988 and this arrival scene at Beijing Airport of Nixon and his wife is the scene I most vividly remember. Great to see it posted here.
such a damn shame there's not the rest of the number uploaded here. the whole 'it's yesterday now home' part about 'grandpa's asleep, the homework is done, sounds of pop music coming from the street' is priceless.
@ezev8logos not as good as a real opera?? what is real, what is fake? art in its most primordial state cannot be judged. likes and dislikes are illusions based on other factors, the very nature of reality is at stake in these byzantine discussions! not the value of art, this is the future, time waits for no one, and neither do our likes and dislikes! cheers!
@ezev8logos thats like saying Indian food tastes better than Chinese food. they are not the same and should be admired for their individual characteristics. Adams uses minimalist techniques not used in French or Italian Operas. you cant say this is worse or better.
@ezev8logos I disagree-- opera really focuses on more grandiose themes and should be enjoyable whether or not the music is in the listener's native language. It just so happens that "Nixon in China" is in English.
"John Adams's Nixon in China: Musical Analysis, Historical and Political Perspectives" (2016) says it's referential of The Star Spangled Banner, though not a quote.
@Cliodule - - this happens to be one of my favorite operas - i'm 61 and my 84 year old father loves this particular aria - "News" The MET will give it a premiere next year. I am happy for composers like John Adams who expand our knowledge of what is possible in opera. You think it's one sick opera and I think it's one glorious opera.
i watched this on Tuesday in Queen Elizabeth Theatre. It was amazing! But I like how the aircraft just decends from the sky in this production. The Vancouver production features... (I guess I'll just stop as many people are still going to watch it).
This opera does seem a little bit unusual at some parts, but the only reason I'm watching it is because it has a really awesome song in it called "The People are the Heroes Now"
I feel inclined to ask what's wrong with learning about a composer through school? Where else are we going to hear about it? Regardless, this is really an amazing piece of music.
@Danro05 A quick glance at his score would dispel that claim, unless you'd be willing to characterize Chopin Beethoven, Pachelbel, Ravel, Wagner, Schoenberg, and countless others as minimalist. Infact any genre distinction is just silly. Schoenberg is called serialist, but he wrote many of the world's most brilliant tonal works; Chopin is widely regard as the quintessential romantic, but He despised the entire romantic philosophy and did not give his works any romantic titles. The list goes on..
@MopsusHears I am an avid fan of both opera and most classical music. I have an extensive collection of opera on CD, which includes both Monteverdi and Glass. As a consequence, I'm pretty certain that you have misunderstood me--probably because, once again, my comment has become detached from its original context, and you have misinterpreted the slang expressions I was using. I suggest you go back over this thread, and try to understand what I said in its proper context.
@alciefrederic I see that you are from Australia, which suggests to me that you are not familiar with the North-American slang I was using. In addition, certain grammatical errors in your post (e.g. "Expressing dislike if you like") suggest to me that English is not your first language. In any case, if you thought I was somehow insulting John Adams' Nixon in China, then it's you who doesn't understand. I am a great admirer of both the work and its composer.
Finally, a comment I can understand. I'm not scared of the word "fuck". Indeed, I love it, when used sparingly and in the right context. It is my favourite expletive. But using it to describe art you like is risible. I see crassness and vulgarity all around. I resent its intrusion into the realm of art, like a Roman beholding a barbarian inside the city walls. YOU are the barbarian inside my walls. A Hun, I presume.
I have seen John Adams here in London at the Proms and have been an admirer of his music for at least 20 years and I don`t think he gets enough credit for his wonderful acivements and his brave attempts to tackle controversal subject matter through his Music,Many Many Thanks for posting the Nixon In China excerpts Peace and Love Paul xx
@bluetagg im not--where are words? chinese is difficult but still should be repeatable. opera was created to be different from barbarian multivoices without understandable words. words with emotional melody , tune of talking, expression in intonations. not a "wua wua awuo awuo ..."--take a donkey and he would beat all Your singers in such singing. capito ?
Oh, you know what? I didn't realize, are you from China? You probably don't have the same view of Nixon as we do in the U.S. He did do a lot of good things in regards to foreign relations with China, but is generally regarded here as a crook because of the Watergate scandal...plus he was just a funny looking guy to begin with so it would have been hilarious to see him do opera.
This is really cheesy&hokie....and they couldn't find any real Chinese to play the Chinese parts(I suppose there is deficit of Chinese actors who know opera, right)? This harkens back to a time when in Hollywood non-Chinese played Chinese roles. Really insulting and overall just pitiful.
@Danro05 that's because adam's isn't a minimalist, He was merely influence by them in the same sense that Schoenberg was influence by Mozart, and he rejected the movement. The only time I've ever heard him refer to his music as minimalist was in a self-depreciative joke
@Cliodule - I also see that you say that the slang is complimentary - it doesn't read that way on first reading. I'm guessing you like both the opera AND its composer. Most people think shit and sick mean opposite things - including those native English speakers. Not frontin' or drillin' on you man.
they were about to in 2004 if i'm not mistaken, it even was on one of their ad leaflets but for some reason they changed their mind. I got so gutted I started calling their administration. But no-one I got to talk to seemed to know the reason...
@brutal6agani yea that was the Watergate scandal. Don't know the details but yea he was trying to take democratic party election strategy secrets or something like that. That was pretty much what ended him.
i dn't realy here melodys just stuff repeating i hear no melodic lines or ne thing y if he so famouse ??? i guess people like his stuff but hey it take skills to right an opera
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Never before heard of this opera, however I have become some what obsessed with Nixon In China, I said, I said, I said, I said, I said I have become obsessed with this opera.
This is absolutely wonderful.
They are doing it live in Denver next month. Not sure where you are, but it would be worth the trip.
I wish I could go. I went to his El Nino in LA and it was awesome.
@Eiswirth You obviously haven't listened to much of Pultizer Prize-winning composer John Adams' music. On the contrary, his music is very imaginative and he is arguably one of the top 20 composers of the 20th century.
you are correct. backing you up.
The vocal and music are more important in opera than the theatre aspect of the performance.
I love the sly quotations from "Siegfried" (or is it "Götterdammerung"?) that sneak in here and there.
jackal59 i think it’s supposed to be “oh say can you see” mixed with the theme of this news has a certain kind of, kind of myst-ah-ree, mista-reeEeeeeeEeeee
it's a masterpiece. otherwise, the Met wouldn't have done it..
(and for many other reasons...)
@yerejay I see where you're coming from, but it could just as easily be argued that such casting concerns have NEVER mattered in opera performance. Does that mean that they shouldn't matter to modern opera? No, of course not. Your point is well-taken, but if you allow your point to overwhelm what Adams accomplished here, you'll miss the point entirely.
Thanks for upload, educative
@ezev8logos Sorry for the misunderstanding-- but I still disagree with you... I feel this is aiming for a completely different level. I understand where you're coming from, operas like Don Carlo are beautiful and in comparison this does kind of feel like some kind of off-beat musical. But if taken by itself, I really feel "Nixon in China" is one of the best contemporary operas. It takes a contemporary event and manages to bring a minimalist-sort of score which I think is simply beautiful.
@Cliodule Amen!
@todtubbi I don't know If it tops A Quiet Place, but its too close to call
Isn't it? How can you actually take the idea of Nixon singing seriously?(not that I wouldn't seeing this. It looks excellent.
give me familiarity. give me the same old crap. I don't want to even try to think in new ways.
Who are the singers?
@ezev8logos: Couldn't agree more...emphasis on the weird.
also, anyone know where scene 2 is?
stay in school, Jayde.
@blackdeathgrind I prefer time tested classics and tradition.
I have seen my share of new operas but nothing strikes me as interesting yet.
@todtubbi I'd have a hard time categorizing this as better than WWS or P&B, but it's pretty good. Adams does kinda grow on you... well, some of his stuff.
What's WWS? P&B is Porgy and Bess, pretty sure.
@ad80ad Its not. you sound exactly like the audience members that condemned Berg and Stockhausen to academic obscurity. As for orchestration, Adams is par none the best alive, and as for form, john Adams employs a developed version of Stockhausen's moment form. and Like it or not, this is more modern than Berg, who was essentially Mahler turned to dodecaphony
I assume that judgement is based on my first 3 "favourites" here... of 224. If a judgement like that is not lightweight, then nothing is.
The only way to defeat wit is with wit. I'm safe from you.
thats so random. Why put it on some random youtube comment
@rpbeanqueen Now, you're not supposed to say that aloud, nor write it. Next thing we know, you'll be implying Glass gets tedious at times, which means you hate art. [Psssst, thanks for being brave, whomever you are.]
It's very simple to throw down. It is sufficient open the score, see that inside there is not only one idea if not some Basso Albertino or some ABC of harmony, and close the score. But what I cannot explain is why a so living country like USA, when comes to classical music, turn to this absurd academism.
they were invented much later (in the '90s).
That's Richard Nixon - or is he?
"fucking epic"? How wonderfully eloquent. All the words in the English language and that's what you came up with? If you liked the opera so much why not try to express your views in a way that is appropriate to a great work of art and not a beerhall?
i don't know why you got voted down so much. it is.
And do you honestly believe that Berg's music sounds more modern?!
I find that totally ridiculous.
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No, NOT as good as Glass. Better!!
Some of these Chinese chicks are really getting to me ....
@marineproductions1 if he smoked weed he would have come up with a WAY cooler show...
am i the only one here who's thinking 'what the fuck is this shit?' i mean i'm not an opera person but c'mon...seriously what in shits name is this?
froger76
LOL!!!
Funny!
Yes, you're the only one...grow up.
It's this kind of snobbery that turns many people away from opera and classical music. This type of music is composed and performed to be enjoyed--not worshiped.
The symphony hall isn't a church, and the opera house isn't a cathedral. It's much better for people to watch and listen to this opera, and say it's "fucking epic," than for it to go unwatched and unlistened-to.
Let me conclude by saying that, in my considered opinion, John Adams is the shit, and Nixon in China is one sick opera.
Considering the irrational international tensions, perhaps this would be a good time to revive this brilliant opera to show that diplomacy has power and virtue.
This is a very good point.
I was there....it was incredible. A huge jet on the Met stage. Absurdly perfect.
Why is John Adams growing on me so much?...why have I only in the last few years heard of this stunning hidden genius of American music? First in Civ IV, then I heard "The Death of Klinghoffer," it stunned me...then I saw "Doctor Atomic" and I was floored by it... John Adams has tapped in to something...something cosmic.
I'm just now hearing Nixon in China, my first taste of Adams, and I'm shocked that I've never gravitated to it before, given my predilection for Philip Glass' works. If you're a Glass fan too, that would explain why it's growing on you. This seems very similar to The Photographer.
brykmantra I love Glass. Did Glass write the Einstein opera?
Unfortunately, paraphrasing John Adams himself, classical fans tend to be incredibly timid conservative, and music makers have to bow to market pressures. Many of us would rather hear Beethoven's 5th or 9th symphonies or Nachtmusik for the billionth time rather than try some new sonorities.
He is the 2nd POTUS
I fuckin' love this opera.
This was the first of a trilogy of presidential operas. The ones about Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter were even better.
Opinunate ted thanks for mentioning the two others
Many music "purists" object to this opera, but then they are still stuck in the XIX century and to then even Stravinsky is a disgrace.
Patrik600ful, yes, that is James Maddalena. I saw this opera on PBS back in the 1980s. It was breathtaking.
its a minimalist opera
but the point is magnificently conveyed, especially if you are a fan of this time in history
There is no 'should'-that's perhaps where you're going wrong.
I listen to this wonderful music because I choose to, not because I feel obligated to.
Isn't that how it should be?
This is sort of like listening to Wagner, in fact it feels like a hollow imitation of Wagner to my ears, except with the poetry and solemn religious themes replaced with "news!!! NEWS!!!! news!!!! news news news!!!!!!!! newssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!"
I absolutely love this section of Nixon in China--from the "Landing of the Spirit of'76" through "News Has a Kind of Mystery." Adams may be our greatest contemporary operatic composer.
1:10 Nixon arrives, waves
1:30 your flight was smooth?
2:46 into News aria
2:59 News Aria
3:47 though we spoke quietly
4:15 transforming us
4:53 On our flight (m. 476)
Beautiful, I love it.
I like the intensity.
Maybe I can prevent further misunderstandings by explaining. First, my comment about "snobbery" was directed, not at this opera, but at a previous poster. I don't think this opera is snobbish. in fact, I really enjoy Nixon in China, along with other music by John Adams, which IMO deserves a wide audience. And when I described Adams as "the shit," and this opera as "sick," I was using those expressions jokingly, in their slang senses, to mean "excellent" and outstanding."
What an amazing scene with the plane coming down. I'm not a huge opera fan but I have to see this one.
I witnessed this brilliant production in Amsterdam in 1988 and this arrival scene at Beijing Airport of Nixon and his wife is the scene I most vividly remember. Great to see it posted here.
such a damn shame there's not the rest of the number uploaded here. the whole 'it's yesterday now home' part about 'grandpa's asleep, the homework is done, sounds of pop music coming from the street' is priceless.
@ezev8logos not as good as a real opera??
what is real, what is fake? art in its most primordial state cannot be judged.
likes and dislikes are illusions based on other factors, the very nature of reality is at stake in these byzantine discussions! not the value of art, this is the future, time waits for no one, and neither do our likes and dislikes! cheers!
@ezev8logos thats like saying Indian food tastes better than Chinese food. they are not the same and should be admired for their individual characteristics. Adams uses minimalist techniques not used in French or Italian Operas. you cant say this is worse or better.
@ezev8logos I disagree-- opera really focuses on more grandiose themes and should be enjoyable whether or not the music is in the listener's native language. It just so happens that "Nixon in China" is in English.
I love this opera. Love it.
One part Richard Nixon, one part Paul Giamatti, one part opera singer.
Opera interessante in stile musicale minimalista.Grande musicista contemporaneo e' J.Adam.
So I've been wondering about the "Smoo-hoo-hooo-th" bit. Is that a reference to another tune?
"John Adams's Nixon in China: Musical Analysis, Historical and Political Perspectives" (2016) says it's referential of The Star Spangled Banner, though not a quote.
It cuts out right in the middle of the song.
Is that James Maddalena as Richard Nixon?
Yes
@Cliodule - - this happens to be one of my favorite operas - i'm 61 and my 84 year old father loves this particular aria - "News"
The MET will give it a premiere next year. I am happy for composers like John Adams who expand our knowledge of what is possible in opera.
You think it's one sick opera and I think it's one glorious opera.
i watched this on Tuesday in Queen Elizabeth Theatre. It was amazing! But I like how the aircraft just decends from the sky in this production. The Vancouver production features... (I guess I'll just stop as many people are still going to watch it).
This opera does seem a little bit unusual at some parts, but the only reason I'm watching it is because it has a really awesome song in it called "The People are the Heroes Now"
Brilliant and different kind of opera! I hope to find time to see this.
Very beatiful Opera! In style minimalist music
(really?) Sure. Letting an actual B747 landing on the stage would have been so much easy and realistic...
Beautiful and exiting opera. I like it so much!
what the hell is going on oh god how did this get here i am not good with computer
I feel inclined to ask what's wrong with learning about a composer through school? Where else are we going to hear about it?
Regardless, this is really an amazing piece of music.
I think you should hear it on your local classical music radio station.
@Danro05 A quick glance at his score would dispel that claim, unless you'd be willing to characterize Chopin Beethoven, Pachelbel, Ravel, Wagner, Schoenberg, and countless others as minimalist. Infact any genre distinction is just silly. Schoenberg is called serialist, but he wrote many of the world's most brilliant tonal works; Chopin is widely regard as the quintessential romantic, but He despised the entire romantic philosophy and did not give his works any romantic titles. The list goes on..
@MopsusHears I am an avid fan of both opera and most classical music. I have an extensive collection of opera on CD, which includes both Monteverdi and Glass. As a consequence, I'm pretty certain that you have misunderstood me--probably because, once again, my comment has become detached from its original context, and you have misinterpreted the slang expressions I was using. I suggest you go back over this thread, and try to understand what I said in its proper context.
@alciefrederic I see that you are from Australia, which suggests to me that you are not familiar with the North-American slang I was using.
In addition, certain grammatical errors in your post (e.g. "Expressing dislike if you like") suggest to me that English is not your first language.
In any case, if you thought I was somehow insulting John Adams' Nixon in China, then it's you who doesn't understand. I am a great admirer of both the work and its composer.
Finally, a comment I can understand.
I'm not scared of the word "fuck". Indeed, I love it, when used sparingly and in the right context. It is my favourite expletive. But using it to describe art you like is risible. I see crassness and vulgarity all around. I resent its intrusion into the realm of art, like a Roman beholding a barbarian inside the city walls. YOU are the barbarian inside my walls. A Hun, I presume.
I have seen John Adams here in London at the Proms and have been an admirer of his music for at least 20 years and I don`t think he gets enough credit for his wonderful acivements and his brave attempts to tackle controversal subject matter through his Music,Many Many Thanks for posting the Nixon In China excerpts Peace and Love Paul xx
wonderful
@bluetagg im not--where are words? chinese is difficult but still should be repeatable. opera was created to be different from barbarian multivoices without understandable words. words with emotional melody , tune of talking, expression in intonations. not a "wua wua awuo awuo ..."--take a donkey and he would beat all Your singers in such singing. capito ?
Oh, you know what? I didn't realize, are you from China? You probably don't have the same view of Nixon as we do in the U.S. He did do a lot of good things in regards to foreign relations with China, but is generally regarded here as a crook because of the Watergate scandal...plus he was just a funny looking guy to begin with so it would have been hilarious to see him do opera.
Man I love this!!!
This is really cheesy&hokie....and they couldn't find any real Chinese to play the Chinese parts(I suppose there is deficit of Chinese actors who know opera, right)? This harkens back to a time when in Hollywood non-Chinese played Chinese roles. Really insulting and overall just pitiful.
@Danro05 that's because adam's isn't a minimalist, He was merely influence by them in the same sense that Schoenberg was influence by Mozart, and he rejected the movement. The only time I've ever heard him refer to his music as minimalist was in a self-depreciative joke
@Cliodule - I also see that you say that the slang is complimentary - it doesn't read that way on first reading. I'm guessing you like both the opera AND its composer.
Most people think shit and sick mean opposite things - including those native English speakers.
Not frontin' or drillin' on you man.
they were about to in 2004 if i'm not mistaken, it even was on one of their ad leaflets but for some reason they changed their mind.
I got so gutted I started calling their administration. But no-one I got to talk to seemed to know the reason...
@brutal6agani yea that was the Watergate scandal. Don't know the details but yea he was trying to take democratic party election strategy secrets or something like that. That was pretty much what ended him.
Just brilliant.
i dn't realy here melodys just stuff repeating i hear no melodic lines or ne thing y if he so famouse ??? i guess people like his stuff but hey it take skills to right an opera
Please put more John Adam's music on youtube!!! I am his fan
The most boring piece of "music" I've ever endured. What a tragical experience! This is not even Opera... people screaming doesn't equal to Opera.
what crap. i don't know much about opera but i do know about music & poetry. this is not a "higher art." this is just well-funded.
there is nothing more entertaining than seeing Nixon pull off opera cause theres nothing funnier than watching a stool pidgeon sing
This opera rules
DEAL WITH IT
Your taunts and insults are worthy of the schoolyard. Really puerile stuff. Give me a worthy opponent. Next...
i have replayed this over and over again. both the music and the play are wonderful
I like the inclusion of "of course", which adds a touch of arrogance to the banality of your comment.
I would love to see this opera..may be one day ..
if u can do better, go ahead. no one cares about a critic who just pisses on other people's work
wow that guy really looks like nixon. but who was the other guy? is he playing zhou enlai or mao?
My ex and I watched this on January 15, 2014! Still funny, though!