@@jadonplox you’re delusional if you think otherwise. The meta has evolved rapidly since the slippi era. Mango and Zain are the best players melee has ever had so far
Sets like this are the biggest reminder for me to never give up on playing Falco. Mang constantly evolving what can and can’t be done. Those side b recovery mixups on the timing are mindblowing
@@iamawin8272 everyone tilts, but getting overwhelmed and panicked is not at all the same as tilt (which is intense frustration at bad luck or bad performance) Everyone in the history of the world gets unnerved when they're getting dominated, that's not tilt
@@doppspops2373 he was warming up with Kodorin in the 10 minutes between his match with IBDW. Mang0 wasn't playing great but Zain just played worse and we take those
@@dinglepuss8594 I don't think this was a comment that invalidates zain. Zain is incredible, but this is what mango has been doing his whole career. M2K, Armada, and Leffen grinded so many hours at their peak performance. Perhaps the same if not more than Zain . Mango definitely played less than them, but still came out on top every so often. But it's also one of the biggest reasons why he busters out in some tourneys lol. It's just what mango does.
crazy thing to me is 5 years ago seems like such a long time ago in terms of top player skill, everyone’s gotten stupid good and will probably continue to do so. even the average joe shmoe on netplay is doing some crazy things.
Mang0 can literally never be counted out on, even after being in a slump for a few years, he is never completely beaten. Like a zombie he keeps getting back up. The kid. The buster. The GOAT. Mang0.
@SmiffyLel the issue is I doubt axe can ever make it to GF again to even play against zain. Dude needs to start using his falco. I think pikachu has been pushed about as far as he can go, which is stupid impressive on axe. But in the end his character is still limited.
To be honest, mango played out of his gourd but at the same time zain was noticeably off his game. I hope next week we get to see them both at 100% at the same time.
Honestly, Mango's close range short hop laser approaches followed by wavedash shine seemed to be unstoppable. I think Zain needs to figure out how to counter that, which is a hard timing to master, if he plans to power shield them. Dunno, I'm sure that if anyone can figure out how to deal with it it's Zain, but apart from Mango's edge guards and combos being on point, it seemed that that was a qualitative addition to his approach game that has definitively progressed the meta.
@@cyrnoz1803 when he says "only averaging 5" it typically means that its abnormally low. The same way you would say "how did you solve a rubiks cube in only 10 seconds?"
@@cyrnoz1803 yeah it is somewhat strange to read, but still a crazy testament to mang0's effective offense. Just checked mang0 vs Ginger, 4.3 openings/kill against ginger, meanwhile ginger had 9.2 openings/kill. absolutely insane.
FD should be Falco's stage... Mango will show everyone. Lasers set the pace and there's nowhere to hide on FD.... great match up, stoked about this tourney.
I really like the SCL format... I've be watching melee for 6 years, but still find it hard to know when a tourney is happening. With this format there are weekly games and time for narratives to develop. Im hyped for Mang0 vs. Wizzy... will Wizzy finally get a win on Mang0?
@@Morgorath30 FACTS. Prime Armada would get wiped by both Mang0 & Zain. There’s legacies sure, but the meta has evolved. Pit these two again any of the past greats and these two wipe them off 10 times out of 10.
@Tomjo5 I could definitely see it if that was the case, don’t blame him for it at all and I’m sure Zain could just as easily toss Mang0 3-1 next bracket; these two go back and forth like this all the time and it’s just fun to see!
Mang0 is the embodiment of Melee. The Babe Ruth or Michael Jordan of Melee. With respect to Armada and Hbox, Mang0 is like no player I've ever seen play.
@Tomjo5 Armada was so good at Melee it was freaky. I have issues with how he holds himself and how he shit talks the community that basically just housed him in awe like Jesus coming to eat dinner with your family. But he was pretty unbelievable. Mang0 was mostly not trying too hard (2017-2019) during those times and watching Hbox vs Armada was great. You can go watch their Genesis 1 2 or 3 sets and watch unparalleled prodigal talent go at it. To this day I get goosebumps watching Mang0 rest Armada out of the roll down 2-1 in the grands of Genesis 1. The two best ever.
@@pippincovington1348 I wrote an essay, but I deleted it all. Armada is the BEST player I have ever seen with my own two eyes and I've played this game since I was 3. I've gone to tourneys, seen all of the God's in person, lost to PPMD in a pools set one time. Credible source. Armada is the best player ever. He was a savant and a true genius. Everything he did was calculated beyond calculated. Picture Zain, but with 15 years of game sense and situational awareness. Just gorgeous art that he'd draw, like picture a Bill Russell on defense. He would grind matchups and combos out in an empty room against a level 1 Fox for hours. It was his passion and somehow it went away. But dear God, man. He would be the best today if he was still playing. With Peach. Nevermind the Fox. He says things of the Melee meta and has poopooed how the community treated him, like LeBron James being pitted against the gauntlet every fight with people wanting him to lose. Mang0 is the most incredible player I've ever seen, never a person that belonged with a GameCube in their hands more, and the way he stuck to the game in its darkest days because he loved it so much and he knew if he left it would die. Mang0 has sacrificed a lot of his own life and how it went down for Melee and you can see that he understands the game deeper than anyone, but Armada was just a cold killer. Mang0 is the better artist, but Armada is like a printing machine vs an artist. No creativity, no anything but a perfect photo. Mang0 draws and makes things you've never seen before. Armada wins. Mang0 wins in spectacular fashion down 2-1 in a set or he steamrolls. Two best players ever for sure. Honestly I just hate that he left. Best player ever for sure.
@@pippincovington1348 I guess I wrote another one instead smh. I love Armada. I just wish he stuck around and had better things to say about his time. I am passionate about Melee, it's like videogame basketball, it's like improv speed running!
This is the best i have seen Mango play in a while. His spacing was immaculate, there were soooo many instances where it looked like he was about to over extend and he made Zain swing and get punished.
mango's pressure this set was pretty strong too. Safe aerial into shine and then back off to shoot a laser is so smothering for Marth. I really noticed this in the FD games
Wow 2 wins on FD against Zain. After watching game 3 I immediately went back to rewatch as it's so rare to see Zain lose on that stage. Then Mango does it again
I agree I think Falco has a hidden advantage on FD against Marth, but it can really go both ways depending on the level of play. Marths chain grab is just what destroys most Falcos, but the pillar combo is the Achilles heal for Marth.
Armada is probably still the GOAT, sure, but Armada is pre-golden slippi-era, in this golden slippi-era, everyone is improving so fast. Mang0 is currently at a level far beyond the very outdated 2018 Armada. And that's just FACTS!
Mango's blueprint makes it debatable in a way that's kind of theoretical for every other spacey but Mango, where for Mango it looks like Falco does beat Marth on FD. Crazy.
Shoutouts to BTS again for including filler time in vods to avoid spoilers. Gj guys
I've been hoping for this ever since I saw Johnnyboi do it for rocket league games. love to see it
Yes. Do this forever.
I appreciated this so much. Thank you so much BTS!
YEEEESSSS
BOTFG STARTED THIS, KEEP IT STANDARD
Twice on FD, Mango Destination confirmed
Mango beat Zain on FD twice. Dude. Name someone else ever who could've done that. Mang0 the GOAT.
IN DA LEAGUE
Mang0 has been saying that he feels like FD might be falco favored in the matchup cause falco's neutral is amazing without platforms
@@sareaper69 Leffen did it in 2018, but yeah, legendary company.
@@BlueGrovyle 2018 Zain =\= 2021 Zain
HARDEST HITTING FD COMBOS IN DA LEAGUE mangoBB
i can just hear this in his voice
IN DA LEAGUE mangoBB
Crazy thing was, he wasn't getting the pilar combos he tends to get in friendlies. It was just amazing, consistent pressure from Mang0.
Mang0 truly is the best of melee. Being in it this long and STILL taking names. What a Legend.
GOAT. mang0's modest (kinda, you know hes still mang0) in not defiantly claiming GOAT versus Armada but if he keeps this up he's undeniably the GOAT.
@@natecallon9755 Mang0 is the GOAT. Armada is the BOAT. if Mang0 keeps it up, he WILL be alone at the top.
@@OtterNoises27 Armada isn’t the best. Current Mang0 & Zain would wipe prime 2017/2018 Armada.
@@RetroEternal no
@@jadonplox you’re delusional if you think otherwise. The meta has evolved rapidly since the slippi era. Mango and Zain are the best players melee has ever had so far
“This is the year I counterpick zain to FD” lol he might do it
Would be so dirty lol
I'd lose my mind
Daaamn
He did it. He won.
Sets like this are the biggest reminder for me to never give up on playing Falco. Mang constantly evolving what can and can’t be done. Those side b recovery mixups on the timing are mindblowing
Zain was on major tilt last game. Only mango can do it like this. Love the mang.
I don't think Zain tilts to be honest
@@Themonkeymartin everyone tilts. And even if he didn’t, It was pretty noticeable that he lost his composure.
@@Themonkeymartin everyone does. It's a well known fact
Disagree, Zain has super strong mental fortitude and he's strong at dealing with emotions, mango just outplayed him intellectually
@@iamawin8272 everyone tilts, but getting overwhelmed and panicked is not at all the same as tilt (which is intense frustration at bad luck or bad performance)
Everyone in the history of the world gets unnerved when they're getting dominated, that's not tilt
Zain: grinds every single day, still loses 2 games on FD
Mang0: drinks white claw for 4 hours while crunching to warm up
that's the Mango!
Dont try and make it sound like mang0 wasn't playing all week as well
@@doppspops2373 he was warming up with Kodorin in the 10 minutes between his match with IBDW. Mang0 wasn't playing great but Zain just played worse
and we take those
@@dinglepuss8594 I don't think this was a comment that invalidates zain. Zain is incredible, but this is what mango has been doing his whole career.
M2K, Armada, and Leffen grinded so many hours at their peak performance. Perhaps the same if not more than Zain .
Mango definitely played less than them, but still came out on top every so often. But it's also one of the biggest reasons why he busters out in some tourneys lol. It's just what mango does.
mango practices a ton now days
it isnt 2009 anymore bro
9:56 “He’s moving like they do” I love Oscar
Heard it at the time but didn't register the reference until I read your comment, thanks
He's beginning to believe...
i dont get it
@@colinmurphy2214 brooooo that's sick!
He's just BUILT DIFFERENT
he should open an OnlyHands
5:48
After the match:
Zain: takes sip of water
Mango: *takes chug of beer*
That's the Mang0
Dude mangos lasers are absolutely insane. No one even comes close to the spacing and timing mixups of his lasers, zain couldn’t move
that’s my variety streamer :’)
NEVER BET AGAINST THE KID
crazy thing to me is 5 years ago seems like such a long time ago in terms of top player skill, everyone’s gotten stupid good and will probably continue to do so. even the average joe shmoe on netplay is doing some crazy things.
Mang0 can literally never be counted out on, even after being in a slump for a few years, he is never completely beaten. Like a zombie he keeps getting back up. The kid. The buster. The GOAT. Mang0.
Years of fighting m2k has all led up to this
11:18 disgusting little dash dance here to dodge the late bair from zain
Also did it to dodge fair at 8:20
Wtf, mangos recovery mix ups are so many levels ahead of every other spacey. It’s actually insane.
His side B mix ups were so clean. Only the Mang has the balls to side b straight into Zain game 3 on FD
8:48 love how one has water and the other has a whiteclaw lmao
And the one with the whiteclaw actually won XD
Your should upload VODs with a pinned comment so that the first comment isn't immediately a spoiler
Melee’s greatest rivalry of the New Era.
Some of the best melee I’ve ever watched
As of 2021 this is the highest level melee set thats ever been played
Mang0 the goat, only person to stop Zain
@SmiffyLel and s2j
@SmiffyLel Axe is not even in D2 anymore, not really a threat
@SmiffyLel the issue is I doubt axe can ever make it to GF again to even play against zain. Dude needs to start using his falco. I think pikachu has been pushed about as far as he can go, which is stupid impressive on axe. But in the end his character is still limited.
Damn on FD twice...other spacies gotta step it up big time, mango holding down the fort
"Falco wins on FD" - Mango
Sounds like a threat... sheesh
“He is beginning to believe”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 love the matrix reference
just remember: people are switching characters just because of zain on fd. mango's built different
falco is so so so so so so much better on fd than fox. his punish gets better and so does his neutral as it’s hard to avoid lasers
was said but ill say it again. thanks to BTS for the 30 minutes to make it ambiguous. i had no idea what to expect. awesome.
To be honest, mango played out of his gourd but at the same time zain was noticeably off his game. I hope next week we get to see them both at 100% at the same time.
Honestly, Mango's close range short hop laser approaches followed by wavedash shine seemed to be unstoppable. I think Zain needs to figure out how to counter that, which is a hard timing to master, if he plans to power shield them. Dunno, I'm sure that if anyone can figure out how to deal with it it's Zain, but apart from Mango's edge guards and combos being on point, it seemed that that was a qualitative addition to his approach game that has definitively progressed the meta.
Actually some of his short hop laser approaches were followed by short hop dairs or fairs. Really solid mixup.
THE MELEE GOAT. NEVER FORGET
Is this the first spacey to take the 2 FD games against prime Zain?
might be honestly
Hot take: Zain is not yet in his prime
FD Master
@@489Acresofwheat possible but in the future the competition is increasing rapidly so no guarantees he'll even be no 1 ;)
@@489Acresofwheat lukewarm take at best, zain choked game 3
To imagine one day we will see a melee without mang0 is difficult and depressing. What a legend.
im in awe. how did mango win a game with only averaging 5 openings per kill. insanse
as in a thats low or high
@@Isaac-ym8kq I'd say kinda high for falco at this level, but idk, with people getting so good at defense that number might keep rising with time
@@cyrnoz1803 when he says "only averaging 5" it typically means that its abnormally low. The same way you would say "how did you solve a rubiks cube in only 10 seconds?"
@@AliMohamed-fu5lc I know but reading Op's sentence it felt lile he meant it the other way
@@cyrnoz1803 yeah it is somewhat strange to read, but still a crazy testament to mang0's effective offense. Just checked mang0 vs Ginger, 4.3 openings/kill against ginger, meanwhile ginger had 9.2 openings/kill. absolutely insane.
Mango's unrelenting pressure is something special when it's in full force.
GOAT of Melee
Thank you for uploading these my dudes
Zain is so insane and dominant but Mango just has that something that makes you wanna see him win
The dude is the soul of melee. Game wouldn't be the same without him.
He’s one of the only remaining gods and still competing with the best after a decade of playing, everyone’s rooting for him
Mang0 had Zain paralyzed at some points. He was playing his ass off.
Big fan of these ambiguous video lengths so it doesnt exactly spoil the set. Mang0 POG
FD should be Falco's stage... Mango will show everyone. Lasers set the pace and there's nowhere to hide on FD.... great match up, stoked about this tourney.
Wow. Mango is simply the GOAT.
I really like the SCL format... I've be watching melee for 6 years, but still find it hard to know when a tourney is happening. With this format there are weekly games and time for narratives to develop. Im hyped for Mang0 vs. Wizzy... will Wizzy finally get a win on Mang0?
The SCL format is really sick and easy to watch i feel like
Oooh yeah I wonder how Wizzy will prepare this week 👀
And Armada says the meta hasn’t changed. C’mon bro LOOK AT THIS. What an amazing set
Armada is just a knock trying to defend his "legacy". Dude would get fucked right now.
@@Morgorath30 FACTS. Prime Armada would get wiped by both Mang0 & Zain. There’s legacies sure, but the meta has evolved. Pit these two again any of the past greats and these two wipe them off 10 times out of 10.
I lost every single prediction in this weeks SCL
Don't sleep on the kid
Shame on you
Wait... you bet that Ginger would beat mang0?? Every other set I at least saw an argument for....
@@codetaku should have said, all the predictions i participated in* i missed some, including that one.
@@Alonsuke Ah fair, there were a few real upsets in there.
SCL is Such a sick format. Love it BTS ❤
mango was off the goop last night, hope to see these two in grands again this upcoming week.
dear god mang0 felt like he just started tearing into Zain as the set kept going on, crazy
@Tomjo5 I could definitely see it if that was the case, don’t blame him for it at all and I’m sure Zain could just as easily toss Mang0 3-1 next bracket; these two go back and forth like this all the time and it’s just fun to see!
Mang0 is the embodiment of Melee. The Babe Ruth or Michael Jordan of Melee. With respect to Armada and Hbox, Mang0 is like no player I've ever seen play.
@Tomjo5 Armada was so good at Melee it was freaky. I have issues with how he holds himself and how he shit talks the community that basically just housed him in awe like Jesus coming to eat dinner with your family. But he was pretty unbelievable. Mang0 was mostly not trying too hard (2017-2019) during those times and watching Hbox vs Armada was great. You can go watch their Genesis 1 2 or 3 sets and watch unparalleled prodigal talent go at it. To this day I get goosebumps watching Mang0 rest Armada out of the roll down 2-1 in the grands of Genesis 1. The two best ever.
@@sareaper69 shit talks the community? When did he do that?
@@pippincovington1348 I wrote an essay, but I deleted it all. Armada is the BEST player I have ever seen with my own two eyes and I've played this game since I was 3. I've gone to tourneys, seen all of the God's in person, lost to PPMD in a pools set one time. Credible source. Armada is the best player ever. He was a savant and a true genius. Everything he did was calculated beyond calculated. Picture Zain, but with 15 years of game sense and situational awareness. Just gorgeous art that he'd draw, like picture a Bill Russell on defense. He would grind matchups and combos out in an empty room against a level 1 Fox for hours. It was his passion and somehow it went away. But dear God, man. He would be the best today if he was still playing. With Peach. Nevermind the Fox. He says things of the Melee meta and has poopooed how the community treated him, like LeBron James being pitted against the gauntlet every fight with people wanting him to lose. Mang0 is the most incredible player I've ever seen, never a person that belonged with a GameCube in their hands more, and the way he stuck to the game in its darkest days because he loved it so much and he knew if he left it would die. Mang0 has sacrificed a lot of his own life and how it went down for Melee and you can see that he understands the game deeper than anyone, but Armada was just a cold killer. Mang0 is the better artist, but Armada is like a printing machine vs an artist. No creativity, no anything but a perfect photo. Mang0 draws and makes things you've never seen before. Armada wins. Mang0 wins in spectacular fashion down 2-1 in a set or he steamrolls. Two best players ever for sure. Honestly I just hate that he left. Best player ever for sure.
@@pippincovington1348 I guess I wrote another one instead smh. I love Armada. I just wish he stuck around and had better things to say about his time. I am passionate about Melee, it's like videogame basketball, it's like improv speed running!
@@sareaper69 man, that was beautiful to read. i hope edgelords dont hate on this, but yeah i agree mostly with all of that.
Bro I’m loving the To Pimp a Butterfly poster in zain’s background. And he got the DOOM. My man’s a real hip hop head much respect ✊🏾
mang with the shine grabs on FD specially that second FD game, you love to see it
I watched this video at a play back speed of 0.5x. To try and learn some stuff and instead i couldnt stop laughing over the slow mo commentary
oh what a beautiful start to the season #mangonation
Let's fucking go mang0
So exciting! Great set.
You love to see it folks
This is the best i have seen Mango play in a while. His spacing was immaculate, there were soooo many instances where it looked like he was about to over extend and he made Zain swing and get punished.
Gotta throw it up to mang
Oh my God he's moving like they do
mango's pressure this set was pretty strong too. Safe aerial into shine and then back off to shoot a laser is so smothering for Marth. I really noticed this in the FD games
My goodness!! To beat Zain on FD 2x is mind blowing. This is top 3 for best Mango play against Zain. Great job Mango! Gotta tip my hat on this💪🏾💪🏾
Never sleep on the kid 🐐
this is actual smash, no camping jus straight up fighting, no bullshit. i dont know much about melee but its way more entertaining than ult
Mango, the only guy to make no excuses. All these other spacies saying the match up is almost unwinnable...RESPECT
Mango was playing really hot and Zain was choking a bit. Ggs nation but I doubt this set will be so decisive next week
Yeah but still Greta match. Zain and mango has both pushed there character to the limit can’t wait to see it pushed pasted it
@@dbrett2003 OH I won't deny any Zain mango match is a treat.
Wow 2 wins on FD against Zain. After watching game 3 I immediately went back to rewatch as it's so rare to see Zain lose on that stage. Then Mango does it again
21:31 foreshadowing for Week 3 Semifinals
23:14
I never thought I'd root for Mango over Zain, but the play was just so clean that I couldn't help it. It's good to have a strong rivalry at the top.
Zain is good, but people have to remember, he bleeds... it took a god of melee to remind the community zain bleeds
I agree I think Falco has a hidden advantage on FD against Marth, but it can really go both ways depending on the level of play. Marths chain grab is just what destroys most Falcos, but the pillar combo is the Achilles heal for Marth.
Ibdw bout to switch to falco
The real reason mango won was that he didn't die when he was off the level
Armada is probably still the GOAT, sure, but Armada is pre-golden slippi-era, in this golden slippi-era, everyone is improving so fast. Mang0 is currently at a level far beyond the very outdated 2018 Armada. And that's just FACTS!
Zain was not ready for the train.
That 1st fd game was the game changer for sure
I wish we could hear the player's mic audio, even if only slightly. Hearing mang0's popoffs would be awesome
biggest beard always wins!!!
I love the production team!
After the set, Mango said falco beats marth on FD, i can see that, what do you guys think?
i can see it fs, still think it’s slightly marth favored but it’s debatable fs
Mango's blueprint makes it debatable in a way that's kind of theoretical for every other spacey but Mango, where for Mango it looks like Falco does beat Marth on FD. Crazy.
I legit thought there was gonna be a reset given the opponent mang0 had and the length of the video.
I am without words with this man's play. My god.
There is no reset with the scl weeklies
It’s crazy how different this is from zain vs hbox
I fuckin love watching these 2 play
BEAUTIFUL
A NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES: PPMD. How cool would it be to see Pp vs Mango grands
Wouldn't even be close. Mango would destroy him.
he’s flying back to his people!
THE FD KING mangoBB mangoFan
The physical recoil from slime when mango said falco wins one FD was gold lmao
I gotta tip my hat to mang0 he played very very well.
These post match stats are exactly what smash esports needs
AMENO
Now this is top level melee
3:04 mango wavedashes under a power shielded laser and it looks cool
absolutely incredible play from both players. well done!
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Never count out the kid... #mangonation
beautiful studio
underrated comment. the new look makes it look really professional
This is why Melee is the greatest game ever made.
The lasers in time with the music at 8:01 lol
Zain looked lost on FD that last game! Mang0 just wouldn't let him breathe!