The most underrated archery hunting channel on the planet period. The RF needs to be on every major hunting pod cast ...Rogan, Meat Eater, Newburg, Grity Bowmen, ect ect. Wake up the archery world !💪🏽🇺🇸🏁
100%. It’s frustrating to see RF lay down cold hard logic and facts on adult arrows and Broadheads while Remi Warren is telling everyone go out and buy flimsy G5 Montecs.
After watching maybe 20-30 of your videos, I can clearly see why people really don't like you much. It's the same reason that I'm subscribed. No matter how much salt you season it with,, the truth leaves a really bad taste in the mouths of the most arrogant and prideful hunters that will not admit they are or have been wrong. It's embarrassing, humbling and sometimes even shameful to realize that we've made fundamental mistakes, but there are physical laws that scream out "There is a better way.' But here's the reward: You are helping this of us that really want to be better, more effective hunters, become better, more effective hunters. Your one of the best science teachers I've studied under. I'm taking notes . Thanks Troy
And then you go ahead and pop those garage door teeth in and mock the haters, adding fuel to the fire. 🤣🤣🤣 I think you should do "the best of" video series from your email and comment archive, the good and the bad. Maybe have Dilbert read all the best dissenting messages (if you haven't done that already 👍🏼
@@ScottWConvid19 I wanna start off saying I love all the RF stuff and even before RUclips ever existed, have always shot similar setups. What I want to say is if we already know it’s hard to admit, humbling and embarrassing, then are we really accomplishing anything by degrading the light arrow shooters? There might be some out there who don’t actually know and the first time they feel made fun of turn it off before learning anything. Just something to think about. If we really want to change someone’s mind, making them feel like an idiot probably isn’t the best place to start.
Troy is a standup dude! He put up with a bunch of questions from me via email, and took time to answer right away. Building my adult arrows based off of his recommendations. Got me some Sirius Ranch Fairy Apollo’s on the way. Cut to length, 4 fletch with 100 grain inserts. Going from Rage flappers to Black Hornet Ser Razors. I’m looking forward to the change, and his research has really help renew my interest in this great sport. Support this guy! Thanks again Troy!
Good stuff RF - I've been doing this for decades heavy arrows many double arrow inside an arrow to get the weight and always strong steel broadheads - it is great to see some of the long known practices of Big Game Traditional Bowhunters get out to the rest of modern archery. I have taken less than ten quartering Too shots last 30 years but I've never had one fail - ALL hit the dirt Quickly!!
I don’t feel you have to make any other videos. This says a lot. I have your broadheads. And the evolution. I’m pumped to use them! A few days I’ll be out hunting
You know the only problem I have with videos like this is every time he comes out with one these videos; adult broadheads disappear from the market so ordering more turns into the waiting game LOL
Totally get it. I switched to a fixed blade this year because of your videos. I have witnessed extraordinary difference in penatration. My existing system is 480 grains. I plan on moving that up in the off season, just didn't have enough time to properly test during season. But I've seen enough evidence to know heavier is where I need to be. Thank you and the animals we hunt thank you.
Hello Troy. Some folks get their feelings hurt when they watch your videos but facts don't care about your feelings. If what you are doing works for you, then by all means keep doing what your doing but if not, and there appear to be a lot of if not's, I'm glad you and Dr. Ashby are here to help.
Better then hitting them in the ribs with a flapper and it failing! Much quicker death love it! Im fired up because you and Doc got my confidence back thank you 🙏
Respect what you do and teach/preach. I also watch THP. Hope you get a chance to use the elk Aaron got this year that really shows what an adult arrow will do. Keep up the awesome work, it is needed and appreciated.
Troy has lead the viewers to water, but that doesn’t mean they will all take a drink 😆 If you are a conscientious ethical hunter, with a decent mechanical aptitude, you will understand Troy’s message. Some will pay attention due to personal experience losing an animal while using a flapper broad head, and are seeking a better solution. Sadly, many animals will be waisted, due to others falling prey to the hunting industry’s mass marketing of flimsy inefficient broad heads. Thanks for your dedication to research and testing RF!
Fantastic video! Logic and reason rule. I won't bowhunt another year without adult arrows and tough, razor sharp broadheads. This stuff is really game-changing.
I like many got indoctrinated into the fastest arrow is the best in the beginning of our infant archery walk, went straight to you tube school finally got a hold of these RF videos man did my world and thought change , ethics confidence response able hunting learning what really works great in various situations thanks a lot troy keep up the great work 👍
Changed my setup last session after I broke my arrow trying to pound one. Took 6 hours to find it and only had about 8in of penetration. Only thing that saved it was I hit the main artery in the neck before hitting bone.
Interesting. I have seen arrows break on impact and it was always the fault of the arrow shaft. Nobody ever said the words.... My aluminum shaft broke on impact ;) I mention this because not all carbon is the same and a lot of carbon out there is junk and cant take it. Sounds like your bow has plenty of power but the arrow shafts were crap.
That's how I shot my buck this year! Cut the front point of the left shoulder and exited on the right leg. Cut the right leg to pieces and had a 3 foot wide blood trail. The arrow went through like a bullet and split a rock.
My setup was tuned better than it ever was previously, bareshaft and paper, broadheads hitting with field points first time ever. And for that (and the 15 yard bloodtrail) I Thank You👍
I made the shot about 7 years ago with a 65 lb compound 29 in draw probably 475 grain arrow and a wensel Woodsman Broadhead with feathers. The arrow entered at the mid-point of the neck and exited in front of the opposite side rear hind quarter. The deer ran up the hill away from the swamp and died on the edge of the field 50 yards away where I easily drove my truck to pick it up... bang.... dead. You got to love it when a plan comes together
To clarify, the strings on the sweatshirts are intended to cover your shame for shooting flappers and kiddy arrows. Then the RF insisted to remove them because you have graduated and entered a new realm of bowhunting, no more shame
Appreciate all your information and time and effort into this subject! There's so much I still want to learn and love listening to you speak about it! Heck maybe I'll get to hunt with you one day! Your not to far away!
awesome! bowhunters need to sharpen their visual and listening skills after the shot...remember direction and listen for crashing. you'll be amazed how sound/distace perception can be sharpened...thx for great info
I changed my set up following the RF arrow build video's... I'm all in with 300 spine arrow at 600 grains and 20% FOC... pound em......thanks for ALL your content RF... keep up the good fight...!!
3 years ago I shot a buck a 3 yards away and shot was almost strait down. I was shooting a 400gr arrow setup and mechanicals. Shot him just off the spine. He ran off still had about 24” of a 29” arrow sticking out of his back. Never found him. I’ve been looking for something better from that day. Just wanted say thanks.
From Human physiology and experience as a Respiratory Technician, the lungs do as you state have multiple lobes and the critical vessels connect the heart and lungs, exchanging carbon dioxide in the blood from venous circulation, oxygenating in the lungs before being pumped back out to the body as arterial blood. When an arrow or other object passes through the chest cavity, it first pierces the pleura, a sack that surrounds the lungs, enabling them to keep the lungs expanded. When the pleural sack is pierced, the lungs will loose their ability to stay expanded and consequently oxygenate arterial blood. This is important knowledge for hunters, because ANY SHOT THAT PIERCES THE PLEURAL SACK WILL RESULT IN DEATH. It might not come instantly, but when the lungs loose their ability to expand, oxygenation will fail to occur and death will follow. The lungs aren’t two balloons, but rather thousands of tiny balloons that rely on a sealed lung cavity that is pressurized to stay expanded.
Love your videos brutha. Thanks for all you do. Just ordered 250 gr cutthroats for my adult arrows for deer season here in Arkansas. Wish you'd merchandise a shirt with your fairy with tbe arrow wand like on your channel pic. At any rate between you and the hunting public y'all are my TV channels lol. Keep up the great content man.
Solid info, well DONE! If more Hunters would go up to at least 575 to 625 grain Arrow. we would have less videos all over RUclips with the porcupine quill flapper stick running off deer with one little penetration hole
I passed the exact same shot as the last shot you showed on that hog animation. Had my target buck at 5 yards quartered too from a stand at full draw with 2 days left in the season. I badly wanted to put the arrow in the crease between the neck and his shoulder but I let him go. Few weeks later he broke off one of his main beams and I have not seen him since. I have been a rage hypodermic shooter since they were made, they have yet to fail me. But you are right, I feel limited. I am going to be building some of my own arrows and cranking some FOC into my set up, I have not decided if I will put the Hypodermics aside or not yet...but what you have shown through your channel is convincing. I love the way you prove your what you preach keep it up!
Hand raise for having to pass on a very nice buck because he pegged me at 10 yards but was severely quartered to me. He turned and bolted never offering another shot. I tried going fixed two blade before the season but gave up because of tuning issues. Back to the drawing board. Waiting on an easy button package from Sirius Archery currently. Gonna get this nailed down. Thanks sir for all you do for bow hunters.
I think I may have honestly not had enough drag/steerage from the fletchings I was using. I was also using micro diameter arrows and the outserts and collars were a pain to get true. Easy button package are arrows from Sirius made to Troy’s specs. I’m going with the Vulcans cause I’m done with messing with half outs and collars and those shenanigans. A plain 100 grain insert suits my caveman intelligence/mechanical aptitude better.
I'd like to visit you, at your ranch. Your videos, along with the Ed Ashby Foundation and The Hunting Public videos, have made a huge difference in the way I hunt, shoot archery and look at a whitetail's vitals! 👍 I went with a heavier arrow setup, last fall and it paid off with a heart shot on my first ground killed buck, at 27 yards. This year, I'm stepping up with a slightly heavier arrow, single/left bevel Grizzly broadheads (razor sharpened) and a highly tuned Elite Ritual 30. 😎
Yep, I can confirm shooting between the shoulder & the brisket (As shown) can be deadly & it's a rib only shot, unless the deer moves wrong. Done it with both arrow out of a tree stand & rifle on the ground. Saw the deer go down in both cases.
Mr Van Schlupp, " your shooting em in the shoulder, euuurrrra" lmfao 🤣 😂 😆 can you do more of him too please!? TROY goes yeah, I am!! I watch just to see him sometimes lol
Shot a buck in Kansas this year with a 450grain arrow setup with a stinger sharpened the way you recommended. Entry was last rib and exit was through the shoulder and stuck in the ground! Buck ran 50 yards and died in sight, that’s a good feeling! Just ordered Grizzly’s 650 grain setup, should be able to punch through anything now! Thanks for making me a believer!
Yes sirrrrrr! That fairy dust is good shit man! I got my arrows up to 526! Going out in the am, if I im successful you will be receiving pics or video if im lucky! Im lucky my buddies a bow Wizard!!! Bass!? Can't wait Troy love largemouth bass!! Your channel is awesome and entertaining you're a stand up man!!
Hy following you from europe !!! I want just to say that your are perfectly right in what you say but for me the most important think is that your explanations of your theory is just so clear and so easy to understand by anybody. Your are just a goooood teacher... and I would also add after following your videos that I have change my setup to arrow 420grain slick Strick broad head to 580 grain single bevel broad head and since all animals that I have shot were recovered with 50 yards... thank's for your dedication of ethics hunting.. and keep going on... from one of your video fan !!!
I banged one quartering hard last week. Right through the front shoulder. Little deflection happened...but went on through. 780gr setup with a 250gr VPA. broadhead. VPA didnt handle it as well as I hoped. Still...deer didnt know what happened and stood there looking around. Fell 6 yards from the shot. Double lung and heart.
That Andy Rooney quote is great. This one is similar: "The moment a person forms a theory, his imagination sees in every object only the traits which favor that theory." - Thomas Jefferson
First season hunting. Got a shot at a nice buck first hunt of the year (early muzzleloader). Buck was perfectly broadside I got some bad advice to not shoot in the v but a little further back. Got good blood but the deer ended up crossing a river (then to get shot by someone else). Hunted about 10 more times without getting a shot. Fast forward to late muzzleloader and I had a doe come up to me quartering to pretty hard, actually stomping at me. Ended up aming for the exit along the opposite front leg and she didn't make it 30 years. Entry looks too far forward in the picture but it was a double lung with a perfect exit.
I've been wondering about this for a long time, and have only been shooting at broadside and quartering away angles for years because that's what everyone says you have to do. It makes no sense to avoid this shot if you can hit vitals. Thank you sincerely for giving me the permission I've been looking for to take this shot!
The sole reason the mass bowhunting public does not go for the ( heavy arrow, high FOC with good fixed blade broadhead) concept is that they are not willing to accept the increased arrow drop - plain and simple.... I get that... It's definitely is something one needs to get used to. Nothing a good range finder can't help you with though. The benefits of a good heavy arrow set up which allows you "shot forward" placement easily TRUMPS the decreased arrow trajectory in my books.
i shot my elk at 46 with a 650 grain arrow. You're right with the rangefinder idea, but elk are a lot slower than deer. Anything over 30 is asking for trouble anyway with deer.
Most people don't really know the true anatomy of a deer. There is a lot of soft area right where most people call "in the shoulder". About a hand sized V straight up the leg.
Just started bow hunting this year (at 60 years old) and you have totally changed the way I will approach my future purchases and shot placement. At 60 I was concerned about having to track a deer for 8 hours...I'm still concerned (for the animals sake) but much less now! What is funny is I watched Aaron's video (before I came across you on their channel) where the deer dropped in 25 seconds and my immediate thought was why did it drop so quickly...what was different? THANKS for shortening this thought process!
Gday Troy, I'm watching on from Australia and can mirror this guys comment almost word for word, even down to coming across RF on THP's channel, only difference being I'm 50 and about to do my first hunt. Need to be more confident first as I do not want to leave a wounded dear to bleed out for hours and hours. I have wondered on a quartering to shot, why not punch them in the chest? It was good to see on your pig diagram that it is a logical shot placement, but with so many variables of string jump is it a viable shot in reality?
I figured this out by accident on a public land buck (ground hunt) a few years back. The deer came in quick slight quartering to and I didn't have time to think. It was the last weekend before rifle season and no buck yet so I just reacted and shot my wasp jak-hammer two blade about 35 yards. The buck just trotted off a little after impact then wobbled and dropped in like 3 seconds dead - no kicking around on the ground or anything. I tried to tuck in behind the shoulder but missed badly all the way to the front side of the front leg/shoulder. The arrow was poking out the other side behind the opposite front leg and it was a crime scene of blood. Shooting in front of the front leg to exit behind the opposite front leg is a deadly shot off the ground.
I’m reading a book called “the war bow”. It’s about the medieval long bow used in war. There is limited info about the arrows, however they were using 1400-1800 grain arrows with solid/heavy heads. They knew back then that weight kills. How did we forget?
I've only killed one deer quartering to me and the setup at the time was admittedly marginal. 570 grain total weight but with a mechanical on the front. Near shoulder was back so I tucked it in front, smashed into the offside knuckle, sliced the top of the heart. I'm going to build a heavy setup with my 59 pound recurve for 2021. Based off previous tunes I'll likely have XX78, way less bendy than XX75, 2317 aluminums full length with 150 or 175 grain points. Total weight 705 to 730 grains. Should be around 180 feet per second of my bow, helped by having an almost 33 inch draw length.
"He, convinced against his will, is of the same opinion, still" Unknown. "It's a lot easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled." Mark Twain.
The State of Michigan Parks Department published a review of recovery of WT deer and elk from different shot angles back around 1980-1984. I was the Legislative Chair for the LSBA back then and participated in teaching the NBEF course in archery at Camp Bullis in San Antonio. The aforementioned article’s data for recovery (assuming total recall!) was: broadside-50%; quartering away-80%; quartering towards-20%. The reason broadside wasn’t 100% was because hunters POI was anywhere from head to tail, front to back of the animal... cause bows weren’t as good (only stick and string or 50% let off) & set ups weren’t tuned like they are today. Quartering away to the offside arm pit with the animal’s head down had the highest pass through heart and lung hits and as RF points out quartering towards had the lowest recovery rates for the reasons he states. Broadside shots in elk had higher recovery rates than WT deer and quartering away shots in elk lower recovery rates than WT deer. The chest vital zone is simply larger on an elk with a broadside shot and the guts and rumen filled with vegetation on a quartering away shot often led to entire 30-32” arrows behind found inside the wet grass mat acting like a bow practice target... the arrows never got into the boiler room on the other side of the diaphragm. When I was taught about bowhunting and BHs... the Rothaar Snuffer (175 gr,1,5” cut) was popular. I was told that “if I could find a BH that would cut that animal in half on impact... that’s the one I would shoot!” Bows are more expensive and great set up info is all over the place. Shot selection and placement and the physiology hasn’t changed! Enjoy bowhunting! Great info RF!
First let me say that I shoot longbows only and have for nearly thirty years. I’ve shot most of good two bevel heads about three years ago I changed to to Grizzly 150gr.head and I shoot wood or aluminum arrows in the 480 to 550 gran range out of longbows that or 40 to 45 lbs and get pass throughs. Great stuff on here.
Great info, definitely had passed a shooter buck quartering to at 50yds. I’m shooting roughly a 560gr arrow @70lbs, 28” DL. I didn’t feel comfortable with that angle. It was a little too much quarter to. Love the info, maybe I will have to tinker with a single bezel broad head
Another good example is when Warb from THP shoots an elk full frontal with the Born and Raised guys. That elk goes 50yrds and flops. The arrow does a pass through because it is a “big boy” arrow. Keep on educating RF. The proof is in the kills.
My shots will be forward, in the Vital V from now on. I'm a Believer in what you say. As far as the Evolution broadheads, what you say is true......heavy weight penetrates. Thanks, Man!
Practicing my stroping technique so relaxing. I'm using a cereal box front on a table. Its actually working but it seems it kinda leveled off on sharpness or I just need to keep going I did it for an hour practicing and its working forsure becuase i did shoot a foam target. Its cutting paper but not as good as it should. I'll eventually get a nice strop but I heard about the cereal box thing and tried it. Wanted to say thanks again this makes it even more special to me get that edge finish just right ✅
It's bone chisel, shoulder wack and crack time. Grizzly single bevel with steel insert, FOC 19 percent is on deck. Have lost single lung hit deer before with lighter arrow set ups and heads too large for the task of making it thru bone to cross thru both lungs. Large broadheads that go in 3 inches and stop mean nothing. This is fixing to get interesting.
Got my arrows upgraded over the summer because of RF. I’m only at 565 grains but have shot an 8 point and a hog this season, neither made it 40 yards after the shot. I’m shooting 3 blade vpa broad head but stepping up to single bevel next season
Shot placement! I Liv in Tennessee now and i have never seen so many posts asking for a guy with a dog to help find deer! Poor shot placement and too many unturned bow arrow setups and probably Walmart arrows! I'm all for a heavier set up and stout heads but as you show in these videos even with the best set up out there if the shot isn't placed well doesn't matter how heavy or well tuned the setup is. You speaking the truth about all this and people giving you crap about just shows how many poor hunters and sportsman are out there!!!!
I understand exactly what you're saying. What I haven't heard you say is, shoot them IN FRONT of the shoulder or right between the front of the shoulder and bottom of the neck. Would that be a heart shot or vital shot also? Seems like it would be easier to penetrate the vitals here instead of trying to go through the bone. Maybe it's a SUPER tough shot for the majority of bowhunters, therefore you don't mention it? Help me understand what I'm not catching, please. Thanks man, and from a beginner's view, you're doing an awesome job, keep it up!! Jerry
Hi Troy, I’ve always shot 300 spine arrow before I started watching your videos. I don’t weight the front of my arrow heavily like you advocate but I plan on changing that... I have a lot of energy with a 31.5” draw. The last two bucks I killed were on public land in PA and I shot them both through the shoulder/upper leg slightly quartering... only got about 10” of penetration on each but neither one went more than 50 yards
The most underrated archery hunting channel on the planet period. The RF needs to be on every major hunting pod cast ...Rogan, Meat Eater, Newburg, Grity Bowmen, ect ect. Wake up the archery world !💪🏽🇺🇸🏁
100%. It’s frustrating to see RF lay down cold hard logic and facts on adult arrows and Broadheads while Remi Warren is telling everyone go out and buy flimsy G5 Montecs.
Thank you
I agree but the industry heavy hitters aren't brave enough to go against the masses, and the factory morons.
Yup, I appreciate the comments. I’m in the middle seats on the bus. But moving back a little at a time
@@RanchFairy you're a nerve rackin bastard but you're also a fuckin genius lmao
This is hands down THE most important video about the importance of workhorse arrow systems. Thanks, RF.
After watching maybe 20-30 of your videos, I can clearly see why people really don't like you much. It's the same reason that I'm subscribed. No matter how much salt you season it with,, the truth leaves a really bad taste in the mouths of the most arrogant and prideful hunters that will not admit they are or have been wrong. It's embarrassing, humbling and sometimes even shameful to realize that we've made fundamental mistakes, but there are physical laws that scream out "There is a better way.' But here's the reward: You are helping this of us that really want to be better, more effective hunters, become better, more effective hunters. Your one of the best science teachers I've studied under. I'm taking notes . Thanks Troy
And then you go ahead and pop those garage door teeth in and mock the haters, adding fuel to the fire. 🤣🤣🤣
I think you should do "the best of" video series from your email and comment archive, the good and the bad. Maybe have Dilbert read all the best dissenting messages (if you haven't done that already 👍🏼
Thank you !
I feel the exact same way. Its how I imagine a liberal feels after being red pilled.
The haters are still calling it a "gimmick". No gimmick, simply physics.
@@ScottWConvid19 I wanna start off saying I love all the RF stuff and even before RUclips ever existed, have always shot similar setups. What I want to say is if we already know it’s hard to admit, humbling and embarrassing, then are we really accomplishing anything by degrading the light arrow shooters? There might be some out there who don’t actually know and the first time they feel made fun of turn it off before learning anything.
Just something to think about. If we really want to change someone’s mind, making them feel like an idiot probably isn’t the best place to start.
Troy is a standup dude! He put up with a bunch of questions from me via email, and took time to answer right away. Building my adult arrows based off of his recommendations. Got me some Sirius Ranch Fairy Apollo’s on the way. Cut to length, 4 fletch with 100 grain inserts. Going from Rage flappers to Black Hornet Ser Razors. I’m looking forward to the change, and his research has really help renew my interest in this great sport. Support this guy! Thanks again Troy!
No one is more hated than he who speaks the truth. - Plato
I changed my entire setup in the last 2 years learning from you and the Doc. Thanks for all you do! Love your content!!!
Same 💪🏽🇺🇸
here I am, deer season is over, watching this again ... wow, I want to go out and shoot something through the Vital V now. Thanks Troy!
“Freebasing with their typewritters”. LMAO! I think you nailed it with that one for at least 99.9%.
Good stuff RF - I've been doing this for decades heavy arrows many double arrow inside an arrow to get the weight and always strong steel broadheads - it is great to see some of the long known practices of Big Game Traditional Bowhunters get out to the rest of modern archery. I have taken less than ten quartering Too shots last 30 years but I've never had one fail - ALL hit the dirt Quickly!!
I don’t feel you have to make any other videos. This says a lot. I have your broadheads. And the evolution. I’m pumped to use them! A few days I’ll be out hunting
You know the only problem I have with videos like this is every time he comes out with one these videos; adult broadheads disappear from the market so ordering more turns into the waiting game LOL
I totally agree…
Totally get it. I switched to a fixed blade this year because of your videos. I have witnessed extraordinary difference in penatration. My existing system is 480 grains. I plan on moving that up in the off season, just didn't have enough time to properly test during season. But I've seen enough evidence to know heavier is where I need to be. Thank you and the animals we hunt thank you.
As a dad with 4 kids that hunt this is the best info can have them learn. thanks RF
Hello Troy. Some folks get their feelings hurt when they watch your videos but facts don't care about your feelings. If what you are doing works for you, then by all means keep doing what your doing but if not, and there appear to be a lot of if not's, I'm glad you and Dr. Ashby are here to help.
Better then hitting them in the ribs with a flapper and it failing! Much quicker death love it! Im fired up because you and Doc got my confidence back thank you 🙏
Respect what you do and teach/preach. I also watch THP. Hope you get a chance to use the elk Aaron got this year that really shows what an adult arrow will do.
Keep up the awesome work, it is needed and appreciated.
Troy has lead the viewers to water, but that doesn’t mean they will all take a drink 😆
If you are a conscientious ethical hunter, with a decent mechanical aptitude, you will understand Troy’s message. Some will pay attention due to personal experience losing an animal while using a flapper broad head, and are seeking a better solution. Sadly, many animals will be waisted, due to others falling prey to the hunting industry’s mass marketing of flimsy inefficient broad heads. Thanks for your dedication to research and testing RF!
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Thank you
Fantastic video! Logic and reason rule. I won't bowhunt another year without adult arrows and tough, razor sharp broadheads. This stuff is really game-changing.
I like many got indoctrinated into the fastest arrow is the best in the beginning of our infant archery walk, went straight to you tube school finally got a hold of these RF videos man did my world and thought change , ethics confidence response able hunting learning what really works great in various situations thanks a lot troy keep up the great work 👍
Thanks for a healthy dose of realism. People will take the shot, best to be prepared.
Feeding the algorithm. Great video. A video unpacking the nasty comments you receive would be funny. Happy New Year
I literally just said the same thing! If he had Dilbert reading the best of the worst, that'd be a great end of the year serious!
Getting my popcorn ready should be interesting night
I’ve learned so much watching rf and the hunting public why aren’t these guys mainstream?!
Changed my setup last session after I broke my arrow trying to pound one. Took 6 hours to find it and only had about 8in of penetration. Only thing that saved it was I hit the main artery in the neck before hitting bone.
Interesting. I have seen arrows break on impact and it was always the fault of the arrow shaft. Nobody ever said the words.... My aluminum shaft broke on impact ;) I mention this because not all carbon is the same and a lot of carbon out there is junk and cant take it. Sounds like your bow has plenty of power but the arrow shafts were crap.
That's how I shot my buck this year! Cut the front point of the left shoulder and exited on the right leg. Cut the right leg to pieces and had a 3 foot wide blood trail. The arrow went through like a bullet and split a rock.
What broadhead? Sounds like you overkilled that thing ;)
@@decaturridgebees8761 yup over penetrated 😉
My setup was tuned better than it ever was previously, bareshaft and paper, broadheads hitting with field points first time ever. And for that (and the 15 yard bloodtrail)
I Thank You👍
Don’t pull a hammy! 😂
I made the shot about 7 years ago with a 65 lb compound 29 in draw probably 475 grain arrow and a wensel Woodsman Broadhead with feathers. The arrow entered at the mid-point of the neck and exited in front of the opposite side rear hind quarter. The deer ran up the hill away from the swamp and died on the edge of the field 50 yards away where I easily drove my truck to pick it up... bang.... dead. You got to love it when a plan comes together
"Free Basing on their KeyBoards" OMG! LOL
Got my Tuff head coming soon 300 grains of love
Haters can hate, but the man speaks the truth! Preach it Troy!
To clarify, the strings on the sweatshirts are intended to cover your shame for shooting flappers and kiddy arrows. Then the RF insisted to remove them because you have graduated and entered a new realm of bowhunting, no more shame
Both 1 and 2 of these videos should be part of the hunter education program. Good job troy
Yes! been waiting for this. Happy Holidays brother.
That was excellent, should be mandatory to watch for all hunters period !
Life changing videos. Going with iron will heads
I bought Dad adult arrows for Christmas. He was offended but now loves them. Thanks Ranch.
Offended to a believer
Appreciate all your information and time and effort into this subject! There's so much I still want to learn and love listening to you speak about it! Heck maybe I'll get to hunt with you one day! Your not to far away!
awesome! bowhunters need to sharpen their visual and listening skills after the shot...remember direction and listen for crashing. you'll be amazed how sound/distace perception can be sharpened...thx for great info
Yep. You have to tune out that heartbeat and open up the ears and the eyes
"Freebasing with their typewriters" lol, comedy gold! Love it...
It’s prevalent
I changed my set up following the RF arrow build video's... I'm all in with 300 spine arrow at 600 grains and 20% FOC... pound em......thanks for ALL your content RF... keep up the good fight...!!
3 years ago I shot a buck a 3 yards away and shot was almost strait down. I was shooting a 400gr arrow setup and mechanicals. Shot him just off the spine. He ran off still had about 24” of a 29” arrow sticking out of his back. Never found him. I’ve been looking for something better from that day. Just wanted say thanks.
Here we go!!!
impossible to get double lung on that angle. Would have to centerpunch the heart. Single lung would be a lost deer with a pass through.
From Human physiology and experience as a Respiratory Technician, the lungs do as you state have multiple lobes and the critical vessels connect the heart and lungs, exchanging carbon dioxide in the blood from venous circulation, oxygenating in the lungs before being pumped back out to the body as arterial blood. When an arrow or other object passes through the chest cavity, it first pierces the pleura, a sack that surrounds the lungs, enabling them to keep the lungs expanded. When the pleural sack is pierced, the lungs will loose their ability to stay expanded and consequently oxygenate arterial blood. This is important knowledge for hunters, because ANY SHOT THAT PIERCES THE PLEURAL SACK WILL RESULT IN DEATH. It might not come instantly, but when the lungs loose their ability to expand, oxygenation will fail to occur and death will follow. The lungs aren’t two balloons, but rather thousands of tiny balloons that rely on a sealed lung cavity that is pressurized to stay expanded.
Love your videos brutha. Thanks for all you do. Just ordered 250 gr cutthroats for my adult arrows for deer season here in Arkansas. Wish you'd merchandise a shirt with your fairy with tbe arrow wand like on your channel pic. At any rate between you and the hunting public y'all are my TV channels lol. Keep up the great content man.
Solid info, well DONE!
If more Hunters would go up to at least 575 to 625 grain Arrow.
we would have less videos all over RUclips with the porcupine quill flapper stick running off deer with one little penetration hole
I passed the exact same shot as the last shot you showed on that hog animation. Had my target buck at 5 yards quartered too from a stand at full draw with 2 days left in the season. I badly wanted to put the arrow in the crease between the neck and his shoulder but I let him go. Few weeks later he broke off one of his main beams and I have not seen him since. I have been a rage hypodermic shooter since they were made, they have yet to fail me. But you are right, I feel limited. I am going to be building some of my own arrows and cranking some FOC into my set up, I have not decided if I will put the Hypodermics aside or not yet...but what you have shown through your channel is convincing. I love the way you prove your what you preach keep it up!
Take a golf bag!!! It’s super fun
Arrows from 400-650!!!
Hand raise for having to pass on a very nice buck because he pegged me at 10 yards but was severely quartered to me. He turned and bolted never offering another shot. I tried going fixed two blade before the season but gave up because of tuning issues. Back to the drawing board. Waiting on an easy button package from Sirius Archery currently. Gonna get this nailed down. Thanks sir for all you do for bow hunters.
I just recently found Troy's channel and decided to change my set up. What was your issue and what's the easy button package?
I think I may have honestly not had enough drag/steerage from the fletchings I was using. I was also using micro diameter arrows and the outserts and collars were a pain to get true. Easy button package are arrows from Sirius made to Troy’s specs. I’m going with the Vulcans cause I’m done with messing with half outs and collars and those shenanigans. A plain 100 grain insert suits my caveman intelligence/mechanical aptitude better.
I'd like to visit you, at your ranch. Your videos, along with the Ed Ashby Foundation and The Hunting Public videos, have made a huge difference in the way I hunt, shoot archery and look at a whitetail's vitals! 👍
I went with a heavier arrow setup, last fall and it paid off with a heart shot on my first ground killed buck, at 27 yards. This year, I'm stepping up with a slightly heavier arrow, single/left bevel Grizzly broadheads (razor sharpened) and a highly tuned Elite Ritual 30. 😎
Yep, I can confirm shooting between the shoulder & the brisket (As shown) can be deadly & it's a rib only shot, unless the deer moves wrong. Done it with both arrow out of a tree stand & rifle on the ground. Saw the deer go down in both cases.
Mr Van Schlupp, " your shooting em in the shoulder, euuurrrra" lmfao 🤣 😂 😆 can you do more of him too please!? TROY goes yeah, I am!! I watch just to see him sometimes lol
Shot a buck in Kansas this year with a 450grain arrow setup with a stinger sharpened the way you recommended. Entry was last rib and exit was through the shoulder and stuck in the ground! Buck ran 50 yards and died in sight, that’s a good feeling! Just ordered Grizzly’s 650 grain setup, should be able to punch through anything now! Thanks for making me a believer!
Great info Troy, I agree 100% and will have my adult arrows built by 2021 hunting season
Yes sirrrrrr! That fairy dust is good shit man! I got my arrows up to 526! Going out in the am, if I im successful you will be receiving pics or video if im lucky! Im lucky my buddies a bow Wizard!!! Bass!? Can't wait Troy love largemouth bass!! Your channel is awesome and entertaining you're a stand up man!!
Hy following you from europe !!! I want just to say that your are perfectly right in what you say but for me the most important think is that your explanations of your theory is just so clear and so easy to understand by anybody. Your are just a goooood teacher... and I would also add after following your videos that I have change my setup to arrow 420grain slick Strick broad head to 580 grain single bevel broad head and since all animals that I have shot were recovered with 50 yards... thank's for your dedication of ethics hunting.. and keep going on... from one of your video fan !!!
I banged one quartering hard last week. Right through the front shoulder. Little deflection happened...but went on through. 780gr setup with a 250gr VPA. broadhead. VPA didnt handle it as well as I hoped. Still...deer didnt know what happened and stood there looking around. Fell 6 yards from the shot. Double lung and heart.
That Andy Rooney quote is great. This one is similar: "The moment a person forms a theory, his imagination sees in every object only the traits which favor that theory." - Thomas Jefferson
First season hunting. Got a shot at a nice buck first hunt of the year (early muzzleloader). Buck was perfectly broadside I got some bad advice to not shoot in the v but a little further back. Got good blood but the deer ended up crossing a river (then to get shot by someone else). Hunted about 10 more times without getting a shot. Fast forward to late muzzleloader and I had a doe come up to me quartering to pretty hard, actually stomping at me. Ended up aming for the exit along the opposite front leg and she didn't make it 30 years. Entry looks too far forward in the picture but it was a double lung with a perfect exit.
Absolutely correct I am a retired paramedic pound and pond em hard heart lung don't survive
I've been wondering about this for a long time, and have only been shooting at broadside and quartering away angles for years because that's what everyone says you have to do. It makes no sense to avoid this shot if you can hit vitals. Thank you sincerely for giving me the permission I've been looking for to take this shot!
With the right arrow system!
I liked the ranch fairy approved check at the end.. another great education video. Thanks Troy
Thankful for you RF. I'm still a big boy, but shooting adult arrows! God bless the Ranch Fairy
The sole reason the mass bowhunting public does not go for the ( heavy arrow, high FOC with good fixed blade broadhead) concept is that they are not willing to accept the increased arrow drop - plain and simple.... I get that... It's definitely is something one needs to get used to. Nothing a good range finder can't help you with though. The benefits of a good heavy arrow set up which allows you "shot forward" placement easily TRUMPS the decreased arrow trajectory in my books.
i shot my elk at 46 with a 650 grain arrow. You're right with the rangefinder idea, but elk are a lot slower than deer. Anything over 30 is asking for trouble anyway with deer.
Thanks for the information.
This was very helpful.
Most people don't really know the true anatomy of a deer. There is a lot of soft area right where most people call "in the shoulder". About a hand sized V straight up the leg.
I watch your three videos in the series excellent content, it’s a great education. Thank you for paying it forward.
Greatest video yet Thanks Troy !!!!
Just started bow hunting this year (at 60 years old) and you have totally changed the way I will approach my future purchases and shot placement. At 60 I was concerned about having to track a deer for 8 hours...I'm still concerned (for the animals sake) but much less now! What is funny is I watched Aaron's video (before I came across you on their channel) where the deer dropped in 25 seconds and my immediate thought was why did it drop so quickly...what was different? THANKS for shortening this thought process!
Excellent - thank you.
Gday Troy, I'm watching on from Australia and can mirror this guys comment almost word for word, even down to coming across RF on THP's channel, only difference being I'm 50 and about to do my first hunt. Need to be more confident first as I do not want to leave a wounded dear to bleed out for hours and hours. I have wondered on a quartering to shot, why not punch them in the chest? It was good to see on your pig diagram that it is a logical shot placement, but with so many variables of string jump is it a viable shot in reality?
Always a fun time watching the fairy
Well done. Another straightforward and educational video.
I figured this out by accident on a public land buck (ground hunt) a few years back. The deer came in quick slight quartering to and I didn't have time to think. It was the last weekend before rifle season and no buck yet so I just reacted and shot my wasp jak-hammer two blade about 35 yards. The buck just trotted off a little after impact then wobbled and dropped in like 3 seconds dead - no kicking around on the ground or anything. I tried to tuck in behind the shoulder but missed badly all the way to the front side of the front leg/shoulder. The arrow was poking out the other side behind the opposite front leg and it was a crime scene of blood. Shooting in front of the front leg to exit behind the opposite front leg is a deadly shot off the ground.
Physiological fact! Wham
I’m reading a book called “the war bow”. It’s about the medieval long bow used in war. There is limited info about the arrows, however they were using 1400-1800 grain arrows with solid/heavy heads. They knew back then that weight kills. How did we forget?
When you’re shooting to avoid death. You’re motivated to stay alive
@@RanchFairy Truth!
I've only killed one deer quartering to me and the setup at the time was admittedly marginal. 570 grain total weight but with a mechanical on the front. Near shoulder was back so I tucked it in front, smashed into the offside knuckle, sliced the top of the heart.
I'm going to build a heavy setup with my 59 pound recurve for 2021. Based off previous tunes I'll likely have XX78, way less bendy than XX75, 2317 aluminums full length with 150 or 175 grain points. Total weight 705 to 730 grains. Should be around 180 feet per second of my bow, helped by having an almost 33 inch draw length.
"He, convinced against his will, is of the same opinion, still"
Unknown.
"It's a lot easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled."
Mark Twain.
I don’t know the play here
But
“Facts are stubborn things”
John Adams
The State of Michigan Parks Department published a review of recovery of WT deer and elk from different shot angles back around 1980-1984. I was the Legislative Chair for the LSBA back then and participated in teaching the NBEF course in archery at Camp Bullis in San Antonio. The aforementioned article’s data for recovery (assuming total recall!) was: broadside-50%; quartering away-80%; quartering towards-20%. The reason broadside wasn’t 100% was because hunters POI was anywhere from head to tail, front to back of the animal... cause bows weren’t as good (only stick and string or 50% let off) & set ups weren’t tuned like they are today. Quartering away to the offside arm pit with the animal’s head down had the highest pass through heart and lung hits and as RF points out quartering towards had the lowest recovery rates for the reasons he states. Broadside shots in elk had higher recovery rates than WT deer and quartering away shots in elk lower recovery rates than WT deer. The chest vital zone is simply larger on an elk with a broadside shot and the guts and rumen filled with vegetation on a quartering away shot often led to entire 30-32” arrows behind found inside the wet grass mat acting like a bow practice target... the arrows never got into the boiler room on the other side of the diaphragm. When I was taught about bowhunting and BHs... the Rothaar Snuffer (175 gr,1,5” cut) was popular. I was told that “if I could find a BH that would cut that animal in half on impact... that’s the one I would shoot!” Bows are more expensive and great set up info is all over the place. Shot selection and placement and the physiology hasn’t changed! Enjoy bowhunting! Great info RF!
We need one of these studies to add 650+’and single bevels as a test group.
They also don’t keep pass throughs vs other “hits”.
First let me say that I shoot longbows only and have for nearly thirty years. I’ve shot most of good two bevel heads about three years ago I changed to to Grizzly 150gr.head and I shoot wood or aluminum arrows in the 480 to 550 gran range out of longbows that or 40 to 45 lbs and get pass throughs. Great stuff on here.
I will always wait for a broad or quartering away shot hands down!!
True words, clear spoken!
Thanx RanchFairy Sensei🙏👍👍👍😎
No hate mail here my man. It just makes sense. I'm already working on my arrow set up. 🏹🦌
Such good info! Thanks troy!
Great info, definitely had passed a shooter buck quartering to at 50yds. I’m shooting roughly a 560gr arrow @70lbs, 28” DL. I didn’t feel comfortable with that angle. It was a little too much quarter to. Love the info, maybe I will have to tinker with a single bezel broad head
“Shoot properly adulted arrows” needs to be a T-shirt.
Great series brother. Hope you had a great Christmas.
Excellent,love it,Merry Christmas and hopefully a good new year
Great video brother! Keep preaching the truth! Love your videos!
Just wanted to say thanks for the content.
15 minutes of Ranch Fairy > 15 hours of chatroom forums
Another good example is when Warb from THP shoots an elk full frontal with the Born and Raised guys. That elk goes 50yrds and flops. The arrow does a pass through because it is a “big boy” arrow. Keep on educating RF. The proof is in the kills.
My shots will be forward, in the Vital V from now on.
I'm a Believer in what you say. As far as the Evolution broadheads, what you say is true......heavy weight penetrates.
Thanks, Man!
Troy, we need Ranch Fairy approved Stickers. That logo at 18:49. Shirts would work as well.
Practicing my stroping technique so relaxing. I'm using a cereal box front on a table. Its actually working but it seems it kinda leveled off on sharpness or I just need to keep going I did it for an hour practicing and its working forsure becuase i did shoot a foam target. Its cutting paper but not as good as it should. I'll eventually get a nice strop but I heard about the cereal box thing and tried it. Wanted to say thanks again this makes it even more special to me get that edge finish just right ✅
Practice
It's bone chisel, shoulder wack and crack time. Grizzly single bevel with steel insert, FOC 19 percent is on deck. Have lost single lung hit deer before with lighter arrow set ups and heads too large for the task of making it thru bone to cross thru both lungs. Large broadheads that go in 3 inches and stop mean nothing. This is fixing to get interesting.
Got my arrows upgraded over the summer because of RF. I’m only at 565 grains but have shot an 8 point and a hog this season, neither made it 40 yards after the shot. I’m shooting 3 blade vpa broad head but stepping up to single bevel next season
Shot placement! I Liv in Tennessee now and i have never seen so many posts asking for a guy with a dog to help find deer! Poor shot placement and too many unturned bow arrow setups and probably Walmart arrows! I'm all for a heavier set up and stout heads but as you show in these videos even with the best set up out there if the shot isn't placed well doesn't matter how heavy or well tuned the setup is. You speaking the truth about all this and people giving you crap about just shows how many poor hunters and sportsman are out there!!!!
"nobody ever complained about losing an animal because they achieved too much penetration".
Dr Ed.
I understand exactly what you're saying. What I haven't heard you say is, shoot them IN FRONT of the shoulder or right between the front of the shoulder and bottom of the neck. Would that be a heart shot or vital shot also? Seems like it would be easier to penetrate the vitals here instead of trying to go through the bone. Maybe it's a SUPER tough shot for the majority of bowhunters, therefore you don't mention it? Help me understand what I'm not catching, please. Thanks man, and from a beginner's view, you're doing an awesome job, keep it up!! Jerry
depends on the angle i.e "how quartered to". The heart doesn't move around. So sometimes what you said will be the angle. Sometimes not.
@@RanchFairy understood! thank you👍
Woooo! Love me some Fairy dust! 🤪
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Hi Troy, I’ve always shot 300 spine arrow before I started watching your videos. I don’t weight the front of my arrow heavily like you advocate but I plan on changing that... I have a lot of energy with a 31.5” draw. The last two bucks I killed were on public land in PA and I shot them both through the shoulder/upper leg slightly quartering... only got about 10” of penetration on each but neither one went more than 50 yards
I really wish some of these younger bow hunters that know it all would watch a lot of these fantastic videos instead of saying a lot of wrong things.
Absolutely solid advice. Thank you
You should do a video on how you build your arrows from start to finish
There's a playlist for it on his channel
I love your videos. I wish i could move up to adult arrows. I quite my job to take care of my mom who has dementia.