Roon Nucleus One server
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- Roon recently introduced the Nucleus One server at an attractive price of $499, which is a lot cheaper than previous Nucleus models. But how does it perform? Well, you’ll be surprised. I was…
Contents of this video
00:00 - Introduction
00:25 - Start of program
02:31 - About Roon
04:52 - Where to use
06:28 - It’s a server
07:25 - It’s a DSP
08:19 - The outside
09:38 - The inside
10:13 - How tested
11:26 - In use
14:11 - Sound quality
14:44 - The wrap
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I wanted to say I really appreciate how you give the diagrams of how different devices are connected in your videos. It really helps to see what the device is supposed to do. "Is it a server and streamer?" or.... Thank you.
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This looks a very attractive buy in a very nice case. I'm currently using an Intel NUC i7 which performs flawlesly so I can't see any advantage to change. This new server has a very attractive price that would capture the DIY market looking to build their own ROON ROCK Server, very nice.
The Nucleus One is silent so can be placed near your stereo. It is ready to use, so no fiddling with the bios and USB sticks. Whether it can replace your NUC i7 depends. I plan to use the One and phase out the i7 for convenience reasons. But if you have a large catalog and/or want to do intensive DSP work, stick with the NUC i7
I got a Nuc i7 as well. It’s a game changer. But that nucleus one looks nice, if my Nuc goes down and I’ll grab one of these.
Yep NUC user here, works flawless. Love the look of the Nucleus One, but that’s about it. Not saying I won’t hahaha but saying I don’t need it.
Thanks for the video. I’ve heard and read a lot about Roon. Your explanation was very helpful. Considering getting one to keep all of my music in one place.
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Thank you Hans! Yet another superb review. IMHO, you are one of the best Audio Equipmet Reviewers; providing just the right mix of technical and feature information to help us understand the product and how we can benefit by using it. This really helped me understand the benefits of adding a Roon Server to my system and that was something I never understood previously.
Wow, thanks!
This is the “ thing” i was waiting for. Plug and play without difficulties. Waiting for the releasedate this video gives me the last step to buy one. Thanks.
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Thanks for the great review Hans.
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Thank you very much for the very informative video! This was exactly the information I was looking for. You presented that in a very structured and comprehensible fashion.
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Another great review! Thanks again ❤
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Hans, thank you so much for this. I bought the LGC server last year on your recommendtion. I'm very happy with it, but this is what I was waiting for.... Sorry Roon, you're too late.
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Very helpful review .👍
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This is the product that will probably get me to make the jump to Roon.
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Beste Hans, zojuist een analoge voeding aan mijn KPN-router gehangen. Je weet niet wat je hoort ! Wat een verschil op mijn Node 130 in vergelijk met de standaard geschakelde voeding. Je gaat gewoon twee stappen vooruit! Ben benieuwd of jij dat ook al,had gedaan. Met vriendelijke groet, Bram
Nee, maar bedankt voor het delen
oh wow Hans i like your videos. They are so refreshing silent, calm and packed with informations. Thank you a lot for you work.
You have any information about how to get a nucleus one? Because the original nucleus was officialy USA only right?
Are we able to order it in Europe? Just asking because i have the strong feeling that it will be sold out for months.
It will be available form June 10th and shipment is free in the USA. I suppose shipment to the EU might cost. I speak Anno Vandermeer at the Munich High End Show and will ask him.
I've been pleased with my original Nucleus. 3+ years with maybe 4 hiccups that were all resolved quickly with a manual reboot.
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Would have liked your comments on using the Nucelus as a streamer with external dac, as I do. Thanks you for the video
The One is a computer and connecting a DAV directly to a computer does not give the optimum result.
👍 Seems to work pretty well for me. But I guess I would need to hear a very high end streamer in my system
I'm waiting on the One. I pre-ordered it as soon as they announced it. Do you have any recommendations on USB CD drives to plug into it? I also have the original Nucleus and am setting it up so I would like to order a good drive to plug into the current one then the One.
I have tried only one portable USB optical drive and that worked.
Thank you for the video. I’ve been running my Roon Server software on a M1 based Mac Mini for about year now. It’s an upgrade for me from my 2014 Quad core i7 Mac Mini. I use several WIIM Pro end point streamers with it and BlueSound Node 2i with it in my house. The M1 Mac Mini has a two bay 2TB NVME SSD and 4TB SATA SSD paired with it to store music. I will hve to compare the new Roon device with this to see if I should upgrade. Any thoughts?
I have not tried the M1 based Mac mini so I can't say for sure. But my guess is the One will not bring an improvement.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Thank you. Will try to do more investigation. Appreciate your videos very much.
it would be interesting to know how the usb output to a dac sound like compare to a sotm or sonore endpoint to a dac! have you tried that? is it worth getting an endpoint if you only have one listening station?
I would go for an SOtM or Sonore anytime. See the Nucleus One as the server only (as goes for any computer save specially built Audiofile computers of sit to ten times the price of the Nucleus One.
Did you test dsp functionality and did you run into any hardware limitations vs the i7 nuc?
The amount of DSL you can use depends on the number of tracks in your catalog. If you plan to do serious DSP work, go for the NUC i7. I don't use/need DSP and find the One great for up to 100.000 tracks.
I’m a Mac-loving Roon subscriber, and I’ve been considering the Nucleus line. I struggle with the value proposition of these products versus a headless Mac mini. What am I missing?
My home network is a provider router bridged and a mesh network, so a vanilla connection via Roon Arc isn’t possible. I use a Tailscale VPN on my Roon core Mac and Arc functions very well.
You could also try enabling ipv6 across the network and escaping CG-NAT that way, assuming that's your issue. Provider router bridged to a mesh network should not cause double NAT.
the value proposition -
Roon’s new server is USD 500. Which I think is a bit overpriced given it’s a just low-level very cheap processor in a nice case. But it’s enough to run Roon’s very “small” server software.
Mac Mini’s -
Probably even the earliest Mini’s would have more power than this. Far more than the software needs.
I think Roon recommends the server be on a dedicated device … no other software. If that’s true the extra capabilities of the MM would be wasted. Or am I wrong about that?
How much do new Mac Minis start at?
I am afraid you miss the true benefits of the One. Browse through the comments here and you'll see.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel With utmost respect, I don't see what you're referring to. Perhaps a bit cheaper and easier to install on a vanilla network for ARC, but a Mac Mini would seem to offer a lot more at the price.
Love the channel and the content, and not trying to troll. But having the MM running Roon Server seems difficult to beat for my needs.
@@smokecrackhailsatan I will check that - thank you for taking the time to suggest this!
How do you backup the internal SSD? Great post 👍
The Roon database can be backed up by Roon to a USB drive or network storage. When you have added a 2.5” drive for the music files, that drive is accessible over the network and thus can be backed up from a computer using a backup program.
You meantioned you used it with the MU2 right..? Does it make difference how to get the signal in the MU2? By network or by using a usb connection?
I havent' tried but I would be surprised if it makes a difference. Try it for yourself, it's easily done.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel i will as soon as its available in the Netherlands 🇳🇱
Thanks
Thank you too
Will Roon work with my over 60TB Music collection? I've been playing it through my PC which has the best of the best parts and sending it to my SPL Phonitor X Headphone Amplifier via USB. What Server and DAC would you recommend, connecting to my Arcam AV41 processor? I've struggled to find anything fast enough except my PC/Workstation. I'm in the process of making another custom PC just for Audio but need some Music orientated server/storage software that can cache onto a RAID 0 4x GEN5 NVME 4TB drives which benched at just over 40GB/s and a RAID 5 setup for actual storage (10x 20TB Enterprise drives) Would love to keep the DAC just under $10000USD, although the AV41 does sound OK either Via USB or HDMI...
Roon, the software, will work, I thing. Although I have tried it only with 10 TB oof music. The Roon Nucleus One will not work properly with such a large catalog. The limit for properly working is around 100,000 tracks.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel That's the problem I'm facing, maybe one day they will update the hardware and software side to support such large databases, mine is mostly DSD formats (various) WAV and FLAC. I try to be as lossless as possible when attaining Audio and in many of my music I have direct Studio mastering of the Track, which, sometimes, is very hard to attain! Looks like my dedicated Music server build will have to do, just wish there was a UI (Roon) that would service such databases!
Is there any advantage to having this over a Nuc, which is what is what I currently use? My Nuc is fairly silent.
Depending on the NUC you have the Nucleus One might be slightly more powerful (i3) or slightly less powerful (i7)
I'm interested. When you first said the price, I thought I misheard you.
It really is a fine product for use with op to 100.000 tracks
Beste Hans,
Al iets bekend over de leverings datum?
On the Roon site it says shipping from June 10th.
@@hennied okay,dank je wel Hennie.
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The screenshot from Nucleus One shows a CD Ripper. Does that mean a CD drive is connected directly to the Nucleus One via USB?
Correct
Can I use Room to simply upscale tracks that I mixed long time ago and not happy with the quality? not for streaming just to upscale my music. doesn't it work for that?
You can upsample using Roon on the Nucleus One. Whether that will improve the sound quality of tracks depends.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel is there a way for me to check on that? Can I send you the file and pay you if it got upscaled?
Sorry, no. But perhaps someone else.
Hi Hans,
I still learning about Roon and would like to implement it to my system.
Here are my facts :
1) I don’t listen streaming music, only digital music files.
2) My digital music files are approx. 16 TB : 3 TB SACD ISO (installed in my internal memory ssd in my Eversolo DMP A8), 2 TB DSD 64-256, 4 TB PCM (FLAC / AIFF 24-96 up to 24-192), 6-7 TB FLAC / AIFF (16-44, or 24-44), the music files installed in external SSD closure with RAID 5 (4 TB x 4 drive SSD Sata Samsung EVo)
3) I only listen music through good headphone usch as Abyss Diana TC and Senheisser HD800s.
4) I have desktop DAC Cen Grand DSDDAC 1.0 Superconductor (DAC with 1 bit DSD Technology) with USB input as connection
5) I have Eversolo DMP A8 as my digital music Player (Unofficially will have Roon certificate as Roon end).
I have 2 option in building my Roon Rock (Roon Core) :
A) Build NUC i7 like yours, and using USB connection to my Eversolo DMP A8 (as my Roon end), then from Eversolo DMP A8 connecting to my external DAC Cen Grand DSDDAC 1.0 via USB cable.
B) Purchase the Silent Angel Rhein Z1 plus as my music server and Roon Core, using it as my Music player as well. In this implementation, I won’t need Eversolo DMP A8 anymore.
My question are :
1) how do you see the quality of USB connection from USB in option A (NUC i7) compared to USB in option B (Silent Angel Rhein Z1 plus as my Roon Core and player) ??
2) Is the USB output in Rhein Z Plus (audiophile Roon core with better component than NUC i7) superior enough compared to NUC i7 ?
3) Should I use another external DDC from USB in NUC i7 to improve the sound quality ?
Thanks in advance. 🙏🙏
I. haven't reviewed the Rhein so I can't say.
I don't have an answer to your question, but I can tell you that I have been very satisfied with the Silent Angel Rhein V2 as a Roon Core and streamer (combined with Qobuz) for almost 2 years. The Rhein is powered with an SBooster power supply and is connected to my Hegel H590 amplifier via a USB connection (Audioquest Coffee). I previously used a PC with Roon, but this sounds much better and is sometimes indistinguishable from my Hegel Mohican CD player as a source. The Rhein is very smooth, has no malfunctions and updates neatly. With Roon a very pleasant combination!
@@klaverro thanks for sharing. I think I understand now why the Roon Core from pc (or NuC) can’t compete with Rhein Z1, because Rhein is the only Roon Core designed as audiophile grade. Off course, there is other option beside Rhein as Roon core such as Innuos, but the cost is too high.
Can i use this without a pc? I mean putting an ssd with music in it and use a android phone or tablet with an app to scroll through the music on the ssd??
Yes, provided you have a Roon subscription
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel Ok, i'm new to this so sorry for the question. Does a roon subscription gives you also limitless acces to music i don't own or is it just a pretty organiser of my own music?
It's 'just a pretty organiser'.......
Is the power supply on this capable of running on both 110 and 220?
Yes it is. 100 to 240 volts 50/60 Hz
Roon’s DSP - would anyone using it like to comment on its effectiveness and ease of set-up?
Does it run on the server or the “end-point”?
Server
Works. Helped me with room correction eq
It is easy to set up.
I'm just not sure why I'd replace my NUC11i7... I don't think I'm the target market for this device.
The Nucleus One is silent so can be placed near your stereo. It is ready to use, so no fiddling with the bios and USB sticks. Whether it can replace your NUC i7 depends. I plan to use the One and phase out the i7 for convenience reasons. But if you have a large catalog and/or want to do intensive DSSP work, sto=ick with the NUC i7
It's a Gigabyte Brix GB-BMCE-5105 quad-core Celeron 5105 processor.
That is totally uninteresting. It is the bespoke Roon server combined with the processor that perform equally or better than a NUC 8i3. Bur thanks anyway.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel The only thing bespoke is the enclosure. It's an off-the-shelf computer, just like it was with the previous generations.
So... What processor is in it???
As I said in the video...
Celeron 5105.
Cheaper coz Harman bought them out?
And had it fixed in a few weeks. Don’t think so.
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Fair cop 👍
Is this a sponsored video Hans? Some transparency on whether the product was provided on loan and returned, or gifted, or purchased, would go a long way, i see nothing regarding this?
This video comes across as an advertisement rather than a review as you go into Roon in way more detail than you need to.
It is on loan although I consider to buy it. I still get many questions about Roon. I thought this was a good opportunity to explain Roon a bit more. And, of course, I am enthusiastic about Roon.
to be fair I really do not get the concept of this product line. It is ment to be a server, yet it lacks all the server safety features. If I would be to use roon at any point, I would need to be on a unit with RAID6 and 8TB storage, 10G fiber optic out and redundant low noise PSU . I am looking to move my files away on a high storage device, and honestly, nothing less then 10G fiber optic will do for my hi-fi system. It is ether that or a player with local storage like those from AURALiC or Rockna; If you have box that will run 24/7 for years and store all my library is to rely on a consumer level celeron or an i5/7.
Then the product is not for you.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel yes but that was not my point. Such a server will be 3-4 times the price without the 4 SAS drives, plus 6-1000€ for each drive. My point was to let them know what features are needed for such a server. They focused on making a decent pc for their software, and it is fine. I just hope to remind them that as a long time storage, we also need these feature and maybe see them make a small server with low thermal output to incorporate them. I mean we run fibre optic just to make our music 5% better, we will pay to have our library safe from data loss and corruption for years 😄
again, this product is not for you.
Hmm seems slower than Roon on my Macbook Air M1.
Is that a surprise(??) the M1 is a VERY powerful processor
this device just runs a Celeron!
@@richardgrant418 Know that. But I imagined that a Roon optimised hardware that doesn't run an operating system instead roon and nothing else would be super fast with the only thing it does. If not you could use an old Mac mini or something else instead. What's the upside if it's just a slow PC in a designed box?
@@Balooba11 I agree ……No upside
It's surprisingly fast for a Celeron (it's the newest iteration though) but it's nowhere close to the M1.