@@Булочкаскорицей-п6ц there are extra officials watching satellite-pictures of the fields and forests... they even notice if your hay bales stay on the fieldside for too long... And then there are way too many fuckheads coming from the cities to walk their dog and looking for something they can call the police for. Or even your own neighbours 😂
As a Malaysian native, I like to add something in Malaysia that is not commonly understood by international viewers. 1. The land did not belong to the Raub farmers. That is clear. While they have been farming illegally for the last 30 years or so, the land authority took no action. Were they bribed? Or simply didn't care? No one knows. 2. Durian did not start out as a lucrative fruit. It had some popularity amongst the south-east asian natives, but the market really only took off when citizens from the People's Republic of China started noticing it as a rare delicacy. 3. This is Malaysia. Racial discrimination and institutional corruption applies. Majority of the Raub farmers belong to the Malaysian Chinese group with a stakehold in the highly sort after fruit, while the authorities are staffed by mostly Malaysian Malays. One ethnic group having a firm grip in a business sector has always been a contentious topic in Malaysia and has led to several racial clashes in the past (sometimes deadly). In most western countries with a common law system (which Malaysia uses), adverse possession law would have enabled any squatters to claim ownership property if the owners did not make his/her claim over a certain period. When authorities took no action after 30 years, this law could have apply. But it didn't.
Adverse possesion law can be applied to private land if enacted. If an owner left land or property idle and govt or others used the land for a period of time exceeding the required time, without the owner claiming it... the land becomes the squatters properties. So can understand why it is not practiced in Malaysia. Normal practice is to compensate for current not future value of any value added development by long time squatters to property. In this durian land case, the squatters refused such compensation. They could be punished for trespass and breaking environmental laws but were not. The govt opted for win win situation but the aquatters want to still eat their cake. They know they cannot win in court so they use opportunistic politicians to defend them.
Bayar tax tanah lepastu nak claim tanah sendiri....ini lah mainan meteka yang Tak bertanggug jawab....bila kita ikut jalan lurus mcm mcm ancaman.......diorang buka tanah Haram, secara Haram, lepastu kata akan bayar tax, hujung hujung nak claim tanah sendiri, peneroka felda dah lebih berpuluh tahun usahakan tanah diorang, Geran tanah pun susah keluar( ini lagi secara legal)...inikan Pula yang buka tanah secara Haram jadah, ambil hasil ber juta juta ringgit senyap senyap...Tak bayar income tax, lepastu kantoi dul sibuk mintak hak pula....hmm, kalu ikut cara mcm ni baik Tak payah pakai undang undang, Buat mcm cowboy di US ( dahulu), pergi mana mana tanah, usahakan fan claim
Based on the comments versus the perspective of the documentary, it sounds like the Malaysian government needs to come to some kind of agreement with the farmers, one that protects the forest and the environment without necessarily monopolizing the fruit trade for what will possibly end up being a corrupt cash grab.
The Malaysian govt is immensely corrupt to the point even average Malays are hurting, and being ethically chinese/indian means double discrimination where laws justify themselves to steal land under the guise of equality but only benefits the elite. The laws in Malaysia also actively encourage discrimination, like their bumiputera policy since their founding so it is no surprise their population of all races have been programmed with exceptional tribalism. Divide and conquer.
@@xandk4009 you don’t even understand the value of my statement. the money it was providing is second hand, the spirit of the tree is another. these fruiting trees are incredible.
@@Eugenia_Farms well okay if you only meant the trees, fine, just not the farmers. But what about the many many wild trees that were cut down when they destroyed the original rainforest to make way for the illegal farm? I think that’s way sadder
Sided journalist. The farmers illegally did the deforestation on jungle reserve lands. They had profitted millions after decades doing illegal farming. Not only they hv to pay uncollected taxes but should also pay for the penalties for deforestation of thousand years tropical rainforests.
yeah as if malaysian government really cared about the rainforest. They sell millions of acres to the royal pahang durian group. Not to mention millions of acres of rainforest destroy to make way for palm plantations. pfft!
@@manfreds.6384 Both side are wrong and don't really care about the rainforest. The farmer took more land to expand their business and now karma is hitting back ironically. Cut down rainforest illegally, gov come cut down their tree legally. 😅 Whoever win is still a loss to nature
When initially local gov gave permits to their parents to do plantation, that’s an agriculture land. And for last decades gov refused to renew their land. If gov want to take back the land for forest reserves or rejuvenate it, it’s ok. But gov take it and give to another plantation company after all the trees grownups. It’s that what we called “cronyism”
"returned to their land" bro, it is not their land. your narratives are mixed throughout entire video. they are illegal farmers farm in a reserved forest land. get your fact straight. 👎
Ha ha nice one. So the farmers were able to cultivate in the Forrest reserve for decades without the authorities knowing or taking action? After 20 years only the forest rangers managed to notice 100’s of acres of durian plantation on forest reserve land? You must be smoking the good stuff! Let’s get real! the local authorities and the forest reps all have been collecting bribes to allow these illegal plantation to carry on. Now that the durian business has gone global, the state wants to take it over and kick the little guy out. This is the Malaysian way. One group does all the work and another group comes in and takes over. Happens over and over again.
@@sathapalani stay here and record the real story. being outsider and carry the well know 'bribes' stories all around does not make you survivor any longer but rather being a lame excuser. Stealing, borrowing, and/or owning are all different in meaning. Accept the fact according to the status. well, your 'take it' itself has shown the misleading understanding. The Authority drove away the farmers, cut all the durian trees (read as in 3 months or less the fruit could be harvested) and re-planting the forest trees bro!
@@sathapalani Spot on! Just like the issue of the Non-malay owned logistic and shipping transport companies a few months back. They have been in operation for decades and out of a sudden there was a law passed to force them to sell 51% of their ownership to bumiputera shareholders. They don't even attempt to hide the daylight robbery.
Here in Canada try growing anything on a national forest and see if anyone will think twice about doing the same. If anything you would be fined for the cost of the removals!
Except the durian trees were the forest as you could tell by watching the video. They are native to that area and by cutting them the government/ royal family deforested land. Also, totally different context.
Nah, people who's outside from Malaysia cant even read this, even to understand this statement. That's why the documentary itself don't even care to get the facts about the land, they just made it for the sake of "knowledge" but wrong one. Correction videos? Nope.
@@crazyteck99 then you proof it, those farmer able to provide proof with their expired permit. their mistake is they waited for renewal hopes. if i were them....i would starts to switch to other crops...on another new land with permits.
Well practically it is indeed planted on government land . But they had indeed applied for license but the government didn't approve because the state owned company wants to be in the business . They had to sell their durian at an awfully low price under the contract . Makes sense for them to not sign the contract
The illegal Raub farmers already collecting revenues for many years without paying a cent for land tax. We Malays the native , we are very careful when we open up a plot of land so not to destroy the nature and not to use land that is not ours. Only when the gov wanted their land back , these farmers suddenly asked for permission to continue to use the land. Cases like this are widespread in Malaysia.illegal farmers mostly chinese tend to farm illegally on a land then claim their land as their own. When law do not sided them, then they used racism card. But truly, their greediness in chasing profit from durian has cause many forest and trees destroyed. They tend to destroyed hilly forest because of durian tree best grown in hilly forest but that is where many animals and birds and native spesies live.
The Musang King variant is not affordable for most Malaysians with average income. The average price is around RM100 per kg. Although there are 2-3 seasons every year, I normally buy once in every few years.
What business? They occupy the land illegally. The royal don’t want anything to do with it. The local government already came out with a deal but the farmers rejected it. They monopoly the local durian market and making millions of ringgit on local land. The new media outside of Malaysia never get the fact straight because they only get it from one source. This is not the first time happened.
These farmers cleared forests and planted trees in public land and claimed it was their land, now that the government is going after them they are playing victim.
Unsubscribed. I can’t condone your pro-forest preserve-destroying farmers narrative. These tree farmers destroyed a forest preserve to plant their own trees, illegally. And are now crying because the government got rid of their illegal farms. They should’ve been fined heavily for the damage they did to the forest!
*Get your facts right! Is the king that encourages such farmers to plant there and now evicting them for not paying their rent! So, who is destroying what again? Legally, They should seize the land and cut the trees.* why is why it is now a court case!
I'm a durian lover. Also i am into logics & facts. My views on this would be what a lost for the trees that ages well & provides such fruits or we can call it one of the main sources. But still it is the cause for neglecting laws. If it is national reserve it is theirs (to protect & preserve in the name of law) responsible to take any actions accordingly. They can make a petition for using it (contract) with permission of state regulations. As me saying all this doesn't mean i am aside with gov. Just to share my thoughts.
So business insider promoting theft as a legit thing? What many don't know is that the court order did not cover raub, but the farmers expected many not to read fully. Not only that but this is preserved land, and there is no company/royally owned company that is going to use the land for something else as the land is there to help preserve the environment, that is why you aren't allowed to just plant anything. Why not go over the other durian farmers who weren't in raub who was actually screwed because of a company they dealt with in regards to purchasing the land long ago? Why focus on these thieves?
@@Jomskylark money. People were being bribed, corrupted and these durians sold at highly inflated prices. When covid came the country could no longer afford corruption so those in higher up places decided to go legit. Even my mums car was towed long ago parked infront of our own house all because our neighbour worked for the municipal and didn't like us. Malaysia suffered serious corruption before.
if this is 'environmental concerns' your talking about, wouldn't CUTTING DOWN TREES, cause more of a negative impact to the environment? the smarter thing to do would've been to control future durian farms to ensure no more farms can be created through deforestation. the current farms should be left as is.
@@officialtechified that's not how it works. Destroying cash crops disincentives people from creating more illegal farms. Cutting down an acre of durian trees is better than leaving it there for someone to steal them and profit and cut down more land to plant more trees. It's the same reason why cannabis and poppy farms are burned.
If it really takes a whole generation to cultivate good trees, imagine if all the farmers burned/cut down the trees on there land. The government would have no chance of winning in that case but the farmers do need the income so it’s not an option.
With slavery being the alternative option, watching the whole thing burn to replenish itself for the next 20 years (while the royal family gets absolutely jack sht) is absolutely a viable option.
Nope it does not!! Need whole generation. MUSANG KING cultivar is a variety thats was researched and made with co operation with Government Agriculture. Durian trees will grow anywhere , but good ones always at hilly slopes with good rich soil.
The trees are planted on public land, not their own property, so technically, it's an illegal farm. But yeah, taking action only after 15-20 years is also questionable.
@@iqbalrahim Bet it was confiscated and become "public land" after the farmers spent 20 years growing the trees. Speaking of which, if it takes 20 years to grow a fruit bearing tree, the royal family can just go ahead and feel free to see what they can make of the ashes for their grandchildren.
What should be illegal is the royal family owning a private durian company and then using the state’s money and power to destroy competition. Seems like insider trading / monopoly type thing.
@@markus_selloi these farmers are monopolising it. Obviously they arent actually a "monopoly" but its clear they have the power to control the prices. No need to be a nerd
@@reesehendricksen1871 and the little thieves enable the big thieves.. and the cycle go on, yet you guys only put the blame on the big thieves. Hiding the hand that feed the big thieves
to be honest yes that was heart breaking but recording to Malaysia news reporters They arent any rules saying the government cannot cut down tree at that place plus they are illegally planted and that place were once rich with native trees,yes that place was a reserve land under the pahang gov and was origanly a "Hutan Simpan".... plus they had make million nor thousand of dollar selling and exporting durian each year so for them to not buy their own land before that is quite questionable
@@darwishsudin I think question is not of what's legal or illegal. It's about ethics, and if you have been on the land cultivating and caring for it you should have some say on what goes on in the land. I think the dude should've honestly been more vigilant and filed some kind of papers saying that he's the owner. I understand your point tho.
@@gorav9999 i mean according to locals, that was pure forest and the farmers literally cut it down to put in their illegal farms. i dont rly see people pointing that out ...
Man seeing they cleared the jungle and forest to plant the durian is more heart breaking!! Come here and see for your self.. jungle and forest are illegal cleared for this durian!! And animals has no where to go… many died as road kills
It’s an unfortunate situation, while the farmers were wrong to cultivate in public land without having paid tax or leasing/buying the land, it’s obvious due to the timing of the trees being cut the collusion between the government and royal family. A settlement will have to be reached, if the company becomes a monopoly it’s certain that these farmers are going to be pushed under their thumb and the quality of the crop is going to decline massively. Absolutely no reason why a private company should have a monopoly.
financing the wolf of wallstreet was that expensive .... now they need something to fill up... How did The Wolf of Wall Street get funded? The film was alleged by the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) to have been financed by money stolen from the Malaysian 1Malaysia Development Berhad (1MDB
Their cutting the tree from the rainforest permanent reserve land... And suddenly claim as their after collecting their profit sice 30 year ago? I 🤔.....
As a Malaysian local, let's stop every invasive effort to profit off of national park land, and stop both Royal Pahang Durian and the Raub farmers from coming back in. Re-naturalise the area, return it back to pre-Musang King park borders, and re-establish forests previously cut down by farmers outside of their legal lands. We have had enough of skyrocketing durian prices locally, as rising Musang King prices has also affected prices of other durian varieties in the nation. Stop profiteering off of forest reserve lands, curtail Musang King exports out of the country, and everything will return back to normal.
@@Darkened_Sol lol People like that guy have nothing better to do than flood comments with religion. Rather than commenting for free, why don't they donate to the homeless or use the money they donate to their churches, who don't have to pay taxes, and then donate it to those in need? Oh right, because that requires work. Religion = trash
The government knew about it for very long time. The farmers even applied for permit but never got a response. Once it became extremely profitable suddenly "they" want to take over the land and the trees and turn the farmers into their employees.. like wtf. When the farmers objected they decided to cut down the trees. Extremely stupid behaviour.
Acah macam tanah tu dia punya, padahal duduk tanah haram buat tanam durian secara haram , ambil pula untung tanpa bayar cukai... Video ni pun berat sebelah, farmer tu dah buat tanaman haram memang patut kena tebang pokok durian tu. Dah bagi betis nak peha, lepas tu tak reti bayar cukai. Bebal
Dah mula nak fitnah Agong... dapat tahu dek pihak kerajaan persekutuan nanti sekali pekebun haram dengan pegawai kerajaan makan rasuah tutup mata biarkan dia ceroboh, semua kena bungkus. Saja nak cucuk sarang tebuan, nanti sampai ladang haram kat Cameron pun tempias kena roboh bila dah Agong murka... takkan tak ingat apa yang almarhum Sultan Ahmad sebelum ni buat? Siap hantar askar musnahkan ladang haram bila dia dah bengang kena fitnah.
Korang ckp mcm semua ni bukan orang tau, yang xde keluarga dan anak utk jaga. Dh la kerajaan ni bodo, xbuat kerja btl2. Siapa yg btl btl rugi drp ni, petani atau kerajaan. Pikir dulu
Malas nk tulis English, pertama sekali salah sebab tanam pokok kat tanah simpanan. Kedua, tanam banyak pokok durian macam tu, mesti la kerajaan tau, tapi mesti la ada pegawai yang kena rasuah sampai diam. Tiba2 perkara ni viral, ko rasuah la banyak mana, nak tak nak kerajaan kena amik tindakan la. Mana kerajaan nk letak muka kalau dia biar je. Mende simple. Kira baik dia potong pokok je, kalo kerajaan bawak ko pegi mahkamah, mntak kau bayar cukai bagai, tak ke mampus.
So he started cultivate the land in early 2000s . Malaysia has its own goverment since 1957 . All lands must be registered . If a man could cultivated a piece of state owned land illegaly , all Malaysians could cultivated state owned lands as their own illegaly . Right ?! All Malaysians wants a free piece of land , right ?! . Business Insider must think about this . This is the State Law of Malaysia .
@2:10 - you said it was the farmers land, but previously you stated it was 'public land'. I understand that the farmers have lost their livelihoods but that is the risk for illegally farming common / public land with permits or authorization from the local government. Even where I live I would be fined heavily for using public land for commercial purposes.
1. plant durian on state government land and the land is part of a forest reserve. 2. There is a breach of trust to protect these illegal farmers from their superiors that the locals are aware that the area has been held by the Chinese -based party (MCA/DAP) for decades. 3. if the right thing has to do with giving profit to the royal family, it is better that they do not cut down all the trees. 4. There is a case of a retired soldier farming on forest reserve land and he has already received a sentence. but this durian farmer did not admit wrong? 5. 20 years to be able to profit on sloppy land must be profitable already a lot. use the money to buy land legally and cultivate durian on your own land. 6. try to make a case like this in another country such as China. look at the punishment they will receive. 7. This report is biased. as journalists should look for material not only among these illegal farmers. go interview all the locals there.
gotta agree with 5. they had a lot of chance to go legal. but they dont. Near end of the video the guy say about how to feed wife, kids and parents. it really pissed my off. they profited so much already for "generations" 🤦🏽
Exactly,, well, from hearsay,, these farmers normally ask permit to cultivate like few acres gov land, then by slowly years by years they will expand by fews more acres without permission... The rest is history...
Usually they just plan without permission and in 20-30 years ago nobody care about that, not even the government. If the farmer try to get the right to cultivate the land at that time then they might've gotten it and all this bullshitery wouldn't have happened
@@PEACE.- it is delicious and sweet and more amazing when you use durian for pao or dessert. It tastes like heavenly how anyone can resist that. western didn't like the smell but they forgot how to reduce it by mixing with other fruit or pao so it will less smell. Anyway western didn't learn and it is similar to them like they can't cook rice too.
We all know half of the durian come from outside raub. Mostly from tangkak & they bring them to raub process center to get the certification (as raub known for it durian business)
Similar thing happened in Indonesia to Borneo/Kalimantan Orange and Cloves farmers, resulted with the collapse of the entire industry during Soeharto era. While the Orange suffered permanent demise, the Clove sector is experiencing recovery stage recently. Will the Durian industry in Malaysia suffer similar fate?
illegal durian farm lol..what worse its for generations..well its sad but here we have laws...no shit bro this channel have to investigate properly..you should ask the malay people and they story are whole different..illegal farmer has more than 100 durian trees each of them..that no small farmer there,for decade they don't pay tax.dont try to be victim here.illegal forest farming has been big issues in malaysia please investigate more
Poor content from BI, Please be unbias if you want to make a great content. How come illegal land taken by durian growers are considered their rights in this video? Total
Every single illegal durian farmer you see in this video is a multi-millionaire. And Business Insider are making them look like some poor farmer being oppressed by their government? LOL. Business Insider are definitely being paid by these durian tycoons to make this video. Pathetic. Can't even take their future documentaries seriously now.
no matter what happen, Durians are still expensive in the local area, it changes drastically 10 years ago in 1960-1970s was like : 70 cents MYR per Durian 2010 below: 5-20 MYR per Durian 2015-now: 25-200 MYR per Durian i hardly get a taste grade A durians compared 10 years ago because most of them exported. Greed does revealing
@@mahdalenasaragih1480 I’ve been to inside recently and to be honest, Indonesia durian is lacking in quality as compared to Malaysia. I hope it improves over time however
As a person who has fallen in love with Malaysia and the Malay people, and as someone who first tasted durian in Malaysia and has since been hooked on to it, I am soooo sad to hear what is happening to the durian farmers there.. kudos to Mr. Chow and the small farmers for standing up for their rights. Much love from Egypt ❤️
Business insider journalist should interviewed the state goverment too... These farmers profited from this illegal farms million... Its unfair to the rest of the ppl in that states..
Illegal farming in forested lands is one of the leading causes of environmental degradation, biosphere loss and decreases in habitat for forest flora and fauna. Why should the illegal farming of durian for profit in a public Malaysian forest get a free pass? Simply because it has been going on for so long? What about Malaysia's responsibility for its natural habitat? I wish this video had touched on this important issue.
Sorry, Lisa, but even if those durian trees "belong" there, an agriculturally tended plot cannot compare to a natural forest. Just looking at the video you can see how completely different the areas around the harvested durian are from the surrounding unmolested forest.
@Lisa before Surgery Lisa, you've completely mistaken my meaning here. I'm not AGAINST the farmers and I sincerely sympathize with their plight. I'm certainly not in favor of small farming concerns being overtaken by large corporations. My comments here are SOLELY to bring attention to the issue of illegal farming in national forests. THIS issue is IMPORTANT and merited broader discussion in this video. I hope that helps clarify.
@Lisa before Surgery Lisa, I have no idea why you want to pick a fight with me, but I'll have none of it, thank you very much. I've been plain in making my case here and you've made yours. So be it.
@@osainista bruh.. Why are u wasting your time replying to her comments? The farmers planted the trees on illegal public land.. Now they want to play victim..
The land dispute showcased in this video seems relatively similar to the land and territories of Ancient Empires, People farming on unclaimed territory until a Stronger Power expands and claims that land. This dispute in particular sounds similar to The Russian Empire Expansion under Ivan The Terrible; Claiming lands that were previously farmed on by Native Slavs/other minorities or groups. As Mark Twain once said: *“History Doesn't Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes”*
@@raihanahjamaludin9110 native or not cutting the trees is still kinda sketchy since the durians probably grows there naturally, the farmers are just helping to plant more of them
Fun fact: They banned this fruit from many picnicking & camping locals. lmaooo. My family used to bring it along to eat while we'd go fruit-picking at orchards opened to the public. It was also quite a potent deterrent, so others would keep to their area of the orchard.
Because it was their family's land before the land was administered. And since usually newly independent countries usually has problems with administering lands, these ones were never registered and automatically become state owned land. My great grandfather lost 1/3 of his owned lands simply because it was too difficult to register them in Indonesia. And Malaysia's corruption rate is also super high. Do you see the problem now?
@@robbieaulia6462 so if you clear the forest and live there and started farming, that land will automatically be yours? Wow so easy, no wonder we lost acres of forest reserve to human greed.
It's the truth but I think the information of the entire truth is insufficient. The authorities said the RESERVED forest will be planted back with forest trees (well, I guest we will see on time). What we should be concerned of is illegal deforestation, keep on segmenting wildlife.
They're not the one popularizing Musang King variety. It got famous when Kampung Durian Runtuh make a competition on the best tasting Durian. It didn't win but get a very good PR in the event and people started loving it then.
Wait. She said it wasn't their land they planted the trees on. Why should I feel bad? This is misleading to say the least, glad most people didn't get suckered in the comment section. You get a gold star.
The farmers wanted a legal opportunity. They invested and paved the way for what is the Durian industry for Malaysia. Now the royal family is essentially monopolising on the Durian industry which was those farmers. The farmers have no options at fair play. How was it fair that now the land can be leased by one company who’s major shareholder is the Royal Family??? That’s text book corruption.
@@Chlo-ee I too would like a chance for fair play after I planted the trees on land that wasn't mine. Just because the government's a dick too doesn't make the farmers saints. Avoiding paying taxes by planting on forest reserves, destroy ton of wildlife and costing the government millions in lost tax revenue. They aren't the little guy.
@@Chlo-ee what about all the profits they reaped for many years on illegall land?? do they pay taxes on it?? this is just dispute between rich people who want to get more dude
I am curious why is it interesting to you? Raub chinese are mostly cantonese and hakka. For chinese farmers there, I won't be surprised if they can converse in more dialects and mandarin.
It's not hard to see some Malaysians that could only speak Chinese dialects or Tamil in Malaysia. This is mainly attributed to the accommodation principle of the Malaysians when it comes to dealing with race.
Most of western channels are mind programming against Anti-Islamic agenda in disguise or sometimes openly. Please highlight, did Mahatir Mohammad is responsible for it?
@@sidblore7529 This wouldn't culturally appropriate to post a decade ago, the west is becoming degenerate and sympathizing with thievery and criminal behavior more every year.
I'VE BEEN SEEING POST EVERYWHERE ABOUT FOREX TRADING AND CRYPTO CURRENCY, A LOT OF PEOPLE KEEP SAYING THINGS ABOUT THIS TRADING PLATFORMS PLEASE CAN SOMEONE LINK ME TO SOMEBODY WHO CAN PUT ME THROUGH..?.
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This is exactly what happened during the great depression. Small family farms were bought up by a few large corporations, by any means necessary. This lead to a massive labour surplus flooding into California fruit farms. Food prices and wages both fall. State/greed and poor policy lead to this.
Dont fall for this gimmick. As a malaysian we know the real closed Door stories. Farming on public land, destroying the forest preserved by the govt is Illegal! Edit: another thing, dont use the images of our agung for your false, biased content, as malaysian i found these are disturbing 😡
no, you don't know. Questions, why now only they cut the 30 yrs old tree after the Royal Durian Pahang incident? If its really an illegal land, it won't take after 30 yrs to cut the trees. In fact, if i'm the forest department...i would have cut it before reached 2 yrs old!
@@steven8148 that’s how audit works. When there’s absurd things on latest pages, auditor will investigate from beginning of page to find contradictories. The action will not taken until strongly proven.
@@antonyhancick4769 its a huge issue gap in Msia governance system. We knows Durian takes a lot of decade to growth. its just a trap lay by the government for those farmers, don't forget they pull them to work on those field decade ago. Do you think its easy to move those 30 yrs old tree to other place? Let me tell you what will happened to those 30 yrs old tree, Royal Durian Pahang will grab it away for their own profit.
@@user-tl9wv6wu9h if the farmer lose, it would be downgrade for Msia justice system. There are old document permit proven they being there for decade. You don't get fruit beyond decade for durian trees!
they plant durian trees illegally without buying or renting land . they encroached on other people's land, that's why the malaysian government was instructed to cut down and plant new trees on the real landlords . please know the real story, don't give the wrong facts 🤗🤗🤗🤗
Unfortunately the authorities lost the moral high ground when they formed royal Pahang durian and tried to exploit the Farmers. Like this, it just looks like when the Farmers refused to cooperate, then they were unhappy and cut down the trees. It's really bad to try and profit from other people's hard work...
@@YongMingPor ok.kalau ada perompak masuk rumah kau nanti untuk mencari sesuap rezeki.kau biarkan saja lah dia merompak rumah kau sampai habis barang dalam rumah kau ya.
@@HikoCodik It's not so simple. The farmers tried for ages to get a licence, and failed. Then suddenly this RPDG comes out of no where and the authorities give them the licence to exploit the farmers. If by right you are going to give a licence, the licence should be given to the farmers-they have invested untold amounts of time and effort in this. Or if you want to charge them rent, then charge them. They can pay the govt directly. But no, here with RPDG they have to pay rental then they are also forced to sell to RPDG at a bargain basement price. The real perompak is RPDG and those govt officials who are in cahoots with them. Who chopped down the trees even when there was a court interim order not to do anything. When you have an anything goes environment, where the rich bully the poor, where the hardworking are punished and the idle are rewarded, then really, you don't deserve anything good.
As a side note, I'm curious to know what effect this land use had on state forest ecology. Was it effectively reducing habitat and biodiversity, and affecting the land with erosion issues or increased water run off?
Obviously the impact would be negative, not the other way round since they destroyed the original trees and replaced it with durian tree, any forest animals trying to have a share of their precious musang king tree will be trapped and gunned down.
do you know how long it takes to grow trees? 🙃 if the government hadnt wanted the trees there, they couldve stopped them before. but now that the durian are popular, they want the prices higher and so they cut down the forests that have existed for generations.
@@Hunlover123601 it does not matter. They grew the crops on gov property and the gov only knew this until last year. What more explanation do you need lmao
@@imold5363 kerajaan boleh ambil tindakan bila bila masa. Tu tanah dia. Harini ke esok ke 30 tahun akan datang ke terpulang. Salah tetap Salah. Nak jadi cm yahudi ke rampas tanah orang tanpa kebenaran
What happened when we go to plant durian illegally in Penang ? Very fair to everybody. Don't pay tax to Penang state. Please get the true story. Why Raub can be plant illegally, should same goes to Penang too.
@@canonboy9959 this incident is more complicated than we read on the surface, it involved generation. i think the gov is trying to give them to move after they stop renew their land permit since their grandparents times. but how to move durian tree?
Wish you would do some research on income of durian planters. A tree of Musang King would roughly translate into rm21k of income at least . Multiply it to 40-60 trees per acre (they plant more than this) x years in operation. Don't swallow everything you hear n see
@@nooneyouknow5002 The RM21K per tree already excluded the nitrogen frozen technique expenses, workers' wages, stall set-up expenses, fertilizer expenses, watering expenses, sellers' commissions, monsoon damges, income taxes... etc.? And RM21K per year, per month, or per tree life time?
I have durians farm and trust me....the price justify it because it is not that easy to manage and grow. Each stages of growth will encounter different pests, each will ruin the trees in matter of days or weeks if not found and treat. Not all type of durians trees are suitable growing
I am reminded of Taiwan and elsewhere, that supporting farmers is good not only in the sense of the fruit quality and diversity, but also against pests to the crop and maintaining tha variety of crops a farmer can rely on that would sell, market wise. However if there are land issues, etc, that does make it more complex.
Those guy are the new government and also kings(sultan) in Malaysia. Their so corrupted and racist towards Chinese business. Not only the durian business but there are other business their try to take over. Their even want to take over 5g telecommunication service too.
The issue is, they farming at illegal site and by that they didn't pay the land taxes like others does.. Good citizens pay the taxes fairly like others..
All they had to do was reimpose taxes or ask the farmers to pay the taxes, and not completely shut down their livelihood or threaten them to an unfair contract. Corrupt government lol
The malaysian government is missing a trick, they should charge rent to these farmers if it is on public land instead of strong-arming them into the hands of a corporation
@@kordapyo612 yes, the corporation and the Malaysian government are corrupt, but that is beside the point, the fact is that they are not thinking with thier business caps on
@@bachvandals3259 Oh, the farmer owns the farm, but the farm is on the land, the land is owned by the government, so, the government says give us rent or we will find another farmer who will
Story from one side party is unfair, the farmer are not legalised at the same time cultivated in land which is belongs to the state . There are always has cause and effect. From start they doesn't paying tax because that land isn't own by the farmer.... it's reserved forest that need to be preserve, all the nature heritage were cut down without permission.
Oh please, the organisation was given opportunity to comment, they declined. A very wealthy Royal family, bureaucrats and an opportunistic cash grab. These farmers aren’t wealthy, they’re surviving any way they can. No doubt there is room for improvement but when the state won’t work with you, but actively works against you, it’s impossible.
Obviously he's bad mouthing the government when you can see it's clearly stated in the video, it's not his land. Whether the motive for cutting down the trees are greed driven or not wasn't the issue here. It's actually illegal. Just because you have the money, you can't just take any land as you wish. There are laws regarding that and you wouldn't be in any trouble if you just follow the rules.
They asked to ban jawi while they acessively use Chinese in every live even for the billboard (without Malaysian or England translation). Sometimes you wonder, this is Taiwan? Hong Kong? Or mainland China?
For western people who wants to try durian for a first time. Try the one fruit that already totally ripe. The bottom of fruit already cracked open naturally. That the fruit have ice cream taste and sweetness in aroma
When I was at school, "conkers" were like currency for some reason. Durian, at least on the outside, look identical to a giant conker. You'd have been royalty with a durian hehe
They were growing these trees on PUBLIC land for which they do not own or have official permission to use. Its sad to see they cut down the trees but they should have plant it on their own private land
@@jaridkeen123 our land means yoy dont get to use it fir your personal use. You are allowed to walk the forest and maybe camp in it but that is what public forests are for. Not for illegal farming
Here's the thing, those lands were cultivated as a part of our government's economic act, the 3/4th prime minister essentially said that anyone could clear out the "messy hill forest" and use it for crops....
People saying that you either love or hate it are liars. Im a german in Malaysia and i used to hate the smell and taste but now im addicted. Just don’t make the same mistake as me to try it in Thailand for the first time. Those Thais are ret arded and cut the peduncle.
Whenever a new food trend starts up, the indigenous people of that foods origin will likely not be able to afford to eat it anymore. Same happened with quinoa to the South American people who grew and ate it for centuries! They couldn't afford it Now, it's being grown elsewhere, the prices are coming down and *SOME* of the locals can afford to eat it again.
This documentary is showing only one side of the situation, the farmers caused illegal deforestation of forest land for their 'farms', treating the farmers as victims doesn't make much sense since they have managed to profit in the millions while doing something that is illegal, farmers who either owned the land/leased the land that the trees were grown on had no issues. Imagine I plant a fruit tree in your backyard and start making a profit out of it while killing all the squirrels/ other wildlife and plucking out all the flowers/trees that you have managed to grow because it harms the profit that I make from your backyard (This example is slightly over exaggerated but it has the same logic)
Everyone knows the Malaysian govt is immensely corrupt to the point even average Malays are hurting, and being ethically chinese/indian means double discrimination where laws justify themselves to steal land under the guise of equality but only benefits the elite. The laws in Malaysia also actively encourage discrimination, like their bumiputera policy since their founding so it is no surprise their population of all races have been programmed with exceptional tribalism. Divide and conquer. You know it works when the people rather fight each other than fix the broken system.
Total outsider here, but I'm not sure what they expected. I get that they are rightfully mad for chopping those trees, but claiming it as their right to farm makes them sound entitled when they are clearly not. If the land itself was something that their government has unfairly acquired to begin with, then by all means, go after that but as it stands, does not make sense although I do agree on the notion that their gov could've given reasonable terms or did things differently but that's in the realm of morals
Its too confusing... on one hand, the farmers are growing their crop on supposedly forest reserve, and on the other hand, anytime govt/royalty is involved, there is a good chance some shady business is also going on.
It is strange. When we see films with deforested land we get angry. But when these illegal farmers who has deforested a protected forest cry people get angry at the government who is stopping them. Why is it ok what these thief's has done for years?
Should have done that before. Put a huge fine on them because they are using public land for business without paying properly Tax (not bribes). I hate this kind of people.
Farmers did tried to make it legal tho, the gov ignored them. The choice was only either u sign an unfair contract , or we cut down ur tress , cuz we(gov) want that land for money lol. And if u were to ask what is so unfair about the contract, well let’s just say they won’t allow u to earn much, like u do the work, the money goes into other’s pockets. Not much of a choice for living u see.
@@maemilev For a cute cat, your uneducated comment seem to have attracted idiot followers😆 . The only durian sellers we yet to see are the Indians . So I think you're referring to the unlicensed Chinese and Malay durian sellers. Don't forget the big scale forest reserve clearance done by the people highlighted here
@@arashkhoshghadamnia376 they are definitely worth trying, but yeah I'm not kidding the "king of fruit" basically tastes like birthday cake fished out of a dumpster lol
It's not mentioned in the video, but the first man is not speaking Malay, he is speaking in Cantonese with a mix of Mandarin. To most Malaysians, that alone speaks volumes about why they have been treated the way they have. He is Malaysian and his parents and grandparents were likely Malaysian too when the country became independent, however systemic racism and corruption is very real in Malaysia. Also, "Smelly fruit"? Excuse me, Insider? I believe the word is "Fragrant"!
Many people said the government were cruel for taking back the land..but they don't know so many others squatted on government owner land (reserve) and build houses and lived there for generations.. government do have compassion when it matters
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Durians
The only fruit that you either love unconditionally or treat it like a bio hazard
theres no middle
i hate it with a passion
not the only fruit. papaya exist & it smells like vomit. literally.
@@devonstoomuch its doesnt.. are you sure you're eating a papaya?
Durian is life
Meanwhile in germany you almost go to prison if you cut down your own trees without replacing them or "renaturate" twice as much land.
I was always interested like how would they know whether I cut down trees on my property- is there any record or smth?
@@Булочкаскорицей-п6ц there are extra officials watching satellite-pictures of the fields and forests... they even notice if your hay bales stay on the fieldside for too long...
And then there are way too many fuckheads coming from the cities to walk their dog and looking for something they can call the police for. Or even your own neighbours 😂
I wish i can go to germany. Salam from malaysia.
in Slovakia too
That's the opposite lol
As a Malaysian native, I like to add something in Malaysia that is not commonly understood by international viewers.
1. The land did not belong to the Raub farmers. That is clear. While they have been farming illegally for the last 30 years or so, the land authority took no action. Were they bribed? Or simply didn't care? No one knows.
2. Durian did not start out as a lucrative fruit. It had some popularity amongst the south-east asian natives, but the market really only took off when citizens from the People's Republic of China started noticing it as a rare delicacy.
3. This is Malaysia. Racial discrimination and institutional corruption applies. Majority of the Raub farmers belong to the Malaysian Chinese group with a stakehold in the highly sort after fruit, while the authorities are staffed by mostly Malaysian Malays. One ethnic group having a firm grip in a business sector has always been a contentious topic in Malaysia and has led to several racial clashes in the past (sometimes deadly).
In most western countries with a common law system (which Malaysia uses), adverse possession law would have enabled any squatters to claim ownership property if the owners did not make his/her claim over a certain period. When authorities took no action after 30 years, this law could have apply. But it didn't.
Adverse possesion law can be applied to private land if enacted. If an owner left land or property idle and govt or others used the land for a period of time exceeding the required time, without the owner claiming it... the land becomes the squatters properties. So can understand why it is not practiced in Malaysia. Normal practice is to compensate for current not future value of any value added development by long time squatters to property. In this durian land case, the squatters refused such compensation. They could be punished for trespass and breaking environmental laws but were not. The govt opted for win win situation but the aquatters want to still eat their cake. They know they cannot win in court so they use opportunistic politicians to defend them.
Setuju....agree
@@pakngah3715 if that norm...than I my self easily claim very land....
Bayar tax tanah lepastu nak claim tanah sendiri....ini lah mainan meteka yang Tak bertanggug jawab....bila kita ikut jalan lurus mcm mcm ancaman.......diorang buka tanah Haram, secara Haram, lepastu kata akan bayar tax, hujung hujung nak claim tanah sendiri, peneroka felda dah lebih berpuluh tahun usahakan tanah diorang, Geran tanah pun susah keluar( ini lagi secara legal)...inikan Pula yang buka tanah secara Haram jadah, ambil hasil ber juta juta ringgit senyap senyap...Tak bayar income tax, lepastu kantoi dul sibuk mintak hak pula....hmm, kalu ikut cara mcm ni baik Tak payah pakai undang undang, Buat mcm cowboy di US ( dahulu), pergi mana mana tanah, usahakan fan claim
That is correct. These people only play victim.
Based on the comments versus the perspective of the documentary, it sounds like the Malaysian government needs to come to some kind of agreement with the farmers, one that protects the forest and the environment without necessarily monopolizing the fruit trade for what will possibly end up being a corrupt cash grab.
repent Jesus christ is coming, repent before it's too late, Jesus loves you ;
@Penny Farsely repent Jesus christ is coming, repent before it's too late, Jesus loves you ;
malaysia not being corrupt? LOL
The Malaysian govt is immensely corrupt to the point even average Malays are hurting, and being ethically chinese/indian means double discrimination where laws justify themselves to steal land under the guise of equality but only benefits the elite.
The laws in Malaysia also actively encourage discrimination, like their bumiputera policy since their founding so it is no surprise their population of all races have been programmed with exceptional tribalism. Divide and conquer.
Corrupt government vs Corrupt people.
cutting down those durian trees hurt my spirit honestly. just knowing thats how they make everyday money i could cry for them.
Please don’t cry for them, it’s like sympathising with thieves who lost stuff they stole years ago
@@xandk4009 you don’t even understand the value of my statement. the money it was providing is second hand, the spirit of the tree is another. these fruiting trees are incredible.
@@Eugenia_Farms well okay if you only meant the trees, fine, just not the farmers. But what about the many many wild trees that were cut down when they destroyed the original rainforest to make way for the illegal farm? I think that’s way sadder
@@xandk4009 its not a game of whats more sad man its all tragic 😂 i agree
@Penny Farsely it was public land did you even watch the video?
Sided journalist. The farmers illegally did the deforestation on jungle reserve lands. They had profitted millions after decades doing illegal farming. Not only they hv to pay uncollected taxes but should also pay for the penalties for deforestation of thousand years tropical rainforests.
She first mentioned 'public land' then later referred to it as 'their' land (farmers land). Absolutely ridiculous how biased this journalist was.
yeah as if malaysian government really cared about the rainforest. They sell millions of acres to the royal pahang durian group. Not to mention millions of acres of rainforest destroy to make way for palm plantations. pfft!
@@manfreds.6384
Both side are wrong and don't really care about the rainforest. The farmer took more land to expand their business and now karma is hitting back ironically. Cut down rainforest illegally, gov come cut down their tree legally. 😅
Whoever win is still a loss to nature
so the question is, will the durian plantation turn back into forest? or turn to another industrial plantation for other company?
When initially local gov gave permits to their parents to do plantation, that’s an agriculture land. And for last decades gov refused to renew their land. If gov want to take back the land for forest reserves or rejuvenate it, it’s ok. But gov take it and give to another plantation company after all the trees grownups. It’s that what we called “cronyism”
"returned to their land"
bro, it is not their land. your narratives are mixed throughout entire video. they are illegal farmers farm in a reserved forest land. get your fact straight. 👎
Ha ha nice one. So the farmers were able to cultivate in the Forrest reserve for decades without the authorities knowing or taking action? After 20 years only the forest rangers managed to notice 100’s of acres of durian plantation on forest reserve land? You must be smoking the good stuff!
Let’s get real! the local authorities and the forest reps all have been collecting bribes to allow these illegal plantation to carry on. Now that the durian business has gone global, the state wants to take it over and kick the little guy out.
This is the Malaysian way. One group does all the work and another group comes in and takes over. Happens over and over again.
@@sathapalani stay here and record the real story. being outsider and carry the well know 'bribes' stories all around does not make you survivor any longer but rather being a lame excuser. Stealing, borrowing, and/or owning are all different in meaning. Accept the fact according to the status.
well, your 'take it' itself has shown the misleading understanding. The Authority drove away the farmers, cut all the durian trees (read as in 3 months or less the fruit could be harvested) and re-planting the forest trees bro!
If you use bro in every sentence it takes alot of value out of your words "bro"
@@GosH831 Your English sucks bro. I don't get what the hell are you trying to convey here. Go back to school please
@@sathapalani Spot on! Just like the issue of the Non-malay owned logistic and shipping transport companies a few months back. They have been in operation for decades and out of a sudden there was a law passed to force them to sell 51% of their ownership to bumiputera shareholders. They don't even attempt to hide the daylight robbery.
Durians have a strong smell, but when you're used to it, you won't find it too smelly. I've went beyond the smell and actually ate it before.
Good for you
@Aubame Pierre But shit is smelly and soft...It is still shit
Good job
even the smell can Make you feel like the most blessed man in the world
Yes and also if you eat too much u can pass out 🗿🗿🗿 its from experience if u ask how i know
The best ice-cream I ever had is Durian ice-cream. The taste is out of this world. No kidding.
It has onion flavor. I didnt enjoy it, but still remember that felling i had when i taste it
I've smelled durian ice cream, that was enough for me. 🤮
it actually the best if its not from a real durian, just artificial flavor of durian is reallu good
I hate durian ice cream, idk why but it taste terrible for me. But the ones in fruits though. Not to mention the tempoyak you can make with durians🤤
Ones with real durian? Or just synthetic flavour?
Because the latter only contains the pleasant flavours & fragrance
Here in Canada try growing anything on a national forest and see if anyone will think twice about doing the same. If anything you would be fined for the cost of the removals!
Yeah
its a good thing durian does not grow in canada...the stink of that fruit is terrible
@@dominiquedrozak3723 in you opinion
@@dominiquedrozak3723 I'm sure you'll quickly change your mind when some Asians offer you a wad of cash for your durian 😂
Except the durian trees were the forest as you could tell by watching the video. They are native to that area and by cutting them the government/ royal family deforested land. Also, totally different context.
Hold up, "their land"? I thought you made it clear that they were growing illegally on public land
for generations 🙃
Try to act like they are innocent
Officials turned a blind eye when it was not valuable.
Nah, people who's outside from Malaysia cant even read this, even to understand this statement.
That's why the documentary itself don't even care to get the facts about the land, they just made it for the sake of "knowledge" but wrong one.
Correction videos? Nope.
@@Hunlover123601 generation of illegal farmer. Chinese? I not even shock about it.
the lesson is never plant tree on someone else property.. either you will be manipulated or end up losses.. its sad but thats how the world rolls
the lesson is never plant something that takes decade to growth fruits on a leased land. Because the gov might not renew your land permit.
@@steven8148 that Land is a protective forests area not for agricultural. So you point is wrong and quite rude.
@@crazyteck99 then you proof it, those farmer able to provide proof with their expired permit. their mistake is they waited for renewal hopes. if i were them....i would starts to switch to other crops...on another new land with permits.
We are outsider and we didn't know what actually happened behind. Can you tell ? The officially stated the land belonging to Pahang Government.
@@kimlongwong2590 bcoz the gov take back those land decades ago and dont allow those farmers to renew
Well practically it is indeed planted on government land . But they had indeed applied for license but the government didn't approve because the state owned company wants to be in the business . They had to sell their durian at an awfully low price under the contract . Makes sense for them to not sign the contract
Thats how demand and supply work. Monopoly always take in charge
Fking dirty gov they have
Make sense for the government to cut the trees too then 😂 , ( i dotn support cutting any tree anywhere btw ) .
The illegal Raub farmers already collecting revenues for many years without paying a cent for land tax. We Malays the native , we are very careful when we open up a plot of land so not to destroy the nature and not to use land that is not ours. Only when the gov wanted their land back , these farmers suddenly asked for permission to continue to use the land. Cases like this are widespread in Malaysia.illegal farmers mostly chinese tend to farm illegally on a land then claim their land as their own. When law do not sided them, then they used racism card. But truly, their greediness in chasing profit from durian has cause many forest and trees destroyed. They tend to destroyed hilly forest because of durian tree best grown in hilly forest but that is where many animals and birds and native spesies live.
The Musang King variant is not affordable for most Malaysians with average income. The average price is around RM100 per kg. Although there are 2-3 seasons every year, I normally buy once in every few years.
I never buy it... Its too expensive... Just buy a local one
Don't buy lah...also cut all the trees also ok..too pricey for local...so tamak haloba
but affordable for the chinese who willing to pay more than rm100 per kg
Why do the Royals wants a piece of the people's business? Aren't they rich already? So sad. Hopefully the farmers can continue their business.
What business? They occupy the land illegally. The royal don’t want anything to do with it. The local government already came out with a deal but the farmers rejected it. They monopoly the local durian market and making millions of ringgit on local land. The new media outside of Malaysia never get the fact straight because they only get it from one source. This is not the first time happened.
The royals want to make the price go up for themselves. Rich people generally want to get richer.
Stupid thinking from your.
These farmers cleared forests and planted trees in public land and claimed it was their land, now that the government is going after them they are playing victim.
@@mike4402 seems like it conveniently became "public land" after the farmers did the 20+ years of hard work to cultivate the trees.
Unsubscribed. I can’t condone your pro-forest preserve-destroying farmers narrative. These tree farmers destroyed a forest preserve to plant their own trees, illegally. And are now crying because the government got rid of their illegal farms. They should’ve been fined heavily for the damage they did to the forest!
*Get your facts right! Is the king that encourages such farmers to plant there and now evicting them for not paying their rent! So, who is destroying what again? Legally, They should seize the land and cut the trees.* why is why it is now a court case!
Yeah..they got greedy..
In their face.
@@maemilev when do the king encourage them plant illegal there?? GET YOUR FACT STRAIGHT!!
I thought the trees were planted decades ago though? Why did it take the government this long to act if it was against the law?
I'm a durian lover. Also i am into logics & facts. My views on this would be what a lost for the trees that ages well & provides such fruits or we can call it one of the main sources. But still it is the cause for neglecting laws. If it is national reserve it is theirs (to protect & preserve in the name of law) responsible to take any actions accordingly. They can make a petition for using it (contract) with permission of state regulations. As me saying all this doesn't mean i am aside with gov. Just to share my thoughts.
So business insider promoting theft as a legit thing? What many don't know is that the court order did not cover raub, but the farmers expected many not to read fully. Not only that but this is preserved land, and there is no company/royally owned company that is going to use the land for something else as the land is there to help preserve the environment, that is why you aren't allowed to just plant anything.
Why not go over the other durian farmers who weren't in raub who was actually screwed because of a company they dealt with in regards to purchasing the land long ago? Why focus on these thieves?
What I don't understand is if the trees take several years to grow why didn't the government act sooner to stop these farms if it was against the law?
@@Jomskylark money. People were being bribed, corrupted and these durians sold at highly inflated prices. When covid came the country could no longer afford corruption so those in higher up places decided to go legit. Even my mums car was towed long ago parked infront of our own house all because our neighbour worked for the municipal and didn't like us. Malaysia suffered serious corruption before.
if this is 'environmental concerns' your talking about, wouldn't CUTTING DOWN TREES, cause more of a negative impact to the environment?
the smarter thing to do would've been to control future durian farms to ensure no more farms can be created through deforestation.
the current farms should be left as is.
@@officialtechified 1) you're profitting off stuff that isn't yours. 2) farming has an environmental impact vs forest reserve
@@officialtechified that's not how it works. Destroying cash crops disincentives people from creating more illegal farms. Cutting down an acre of durian trees is better than leaving it there for someone to steal them and profit and cut down more land to plant more trees. It's the same reason why cannabis and poppy farms are burned.
people be commenting like they know the sociopolitics of malaysia, im so amused
So amused, yet offer no insight 😄
- I do agree, for the most part, though. I wish I had popcorn reading most of these "discussions".
It's RUclips comment section. Most of them do these to feel important.
Hi stupid u know politic but I know frog. Keep talking hong.
If it really takes a whole generation to cultivate good trees, imagine if all the farmers burned/cut down the trees on there land. The government would have no chance of winning in that case but the farmers do need the income so it’s not an option.
With slavery being the alternative option, watching the whole thing burn to replenish itself for the next 20 years (while the royal family gets absolutely jack sht) is absolutely a viable option.
Nope it does not!! Need whole generation. MUSANG KING cultivar is a variety thats was researched and made with co operation with Government Agriculture. Durian trees will grow anywhere , but good ones always at hilly slopes with good rich soil.
The trees are planted on public land, not their own property, so technically, it's an illegal farm. But yeah, taking action only after 15-20 years is also questionable.
What is the point having good trees, if it built on reserve forest site. Dont be yahudi
@@iqbalrahim Bet it was confiscated and become "public land" after the farmers spent 20 years growing the trees. Speaking of which, if it takes 20 years to grow a fruit bearing tree, the royal family can just go ahead and feel free to see what they can make of the ashes for their grandchildren.
This video is a prime example of “half-cooked unprofessional journalism” promoting illegal farming by empathy to the illegal farmers.
“Illegal farming”
@@vogelvogeltje yes, illegal farming
@@vogelvogeltje on illegal land, profitted for many years dude. Do they even declared taxes on it? hell no
100%
What should be illegal is the royal family owning a private durian company and then using the state’s money and power to destroy competition. Seems like insider trading / monopoly type thing.
Anti-competition and monopoly
The irony of your statement is that it is the illegal durian farmers who monopolize the price of durian, especially the price of the Musang King.
@@hasjay5283 you have no idea what a monopoly is
@@markus_selloi these farmers are monopolising it. Obviously they arent actually a "monopoly" but its clear they have the power to control the prices. No need to be a nerd
It's called anti trust law
Watching the video feeling slightly bad but then reading the comments to actually see what’s happening lmaoo
Big thief versus little thieves.
@@meilinchan7314 except little thieves actually put in the work unlike the monarch sitting on their fat ass.
You need other people to think for you? Very sad.
@@Chlo-ee ???
@@reesehendricksen1871 and the little thieves enable the big thieves.. and the cycle go on, yet you guys only put the blame on the big thieves. Hiding the hand that feed the big thieves
Durian
to be honest yes that was heart breaking but recording to Malaysia news reporters They arent any rules saying the government cannot cut down tree at that place plus they are illegally planted and that place were once rich with native trees,yes that place was a reserve land under the pahang gov and was origanly a "Hutan Simpan"....
plus they had make million nor thousand of dollar selling and exporting durian each year so for them to not buy their own land before that is quite questionable
@@darwishsudin I think question is not of what's legal or illegal. It's about ethics, and if you have been on the land cultivating and caring for it you should have some say on what goes on in the land. I think the dude should've honestly been more vigilant and filed some kind of papers saying that he's the owner. I understand your point tho.
@@gorav9999 i mean according to locals, that was pure forest and the farmers literally cut it down to put in their illegal farms. i dont rly see people pointing that out ...
Man seeing they cleared the jungle and forest to plant the durian is more heart breaking!! Come here and see for your self.. jungle and forest are illegal cleared for this durian!! And animals has no where to go… many died as road kills
They planted it in illegal land
It’s an unfortunate situation, while the farmers were wrong to cultivate in public land without having paid tax or leasing/buying the land, it’s obvious due to the timing of the trees being cut the collusion between the government and royal family. A settlement will have to be reached, if the company becomes a monopoly it’s certain that these farmers are going to be pushed under their thumb and the quality of the crop is going to decline massively. Absolutely no reason why a private company should have a monopoly.
This is Malaysia corruption is abound
financing the wolf of wallstreet was that expensive .... now they need something to fill up... How did The Wolf of Wall Street get funded?
The film was alleged by the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) to have been financed by money stolen from the Malaysian 1Malaysia Development Berhad (1MDB
@@jessicalacasse6205 Seeing how intertwined movie financing is to corruption won’t be surprised if it’s true! Great way to launder the money.
Their cutting the tree from the rainforest permanent reserve land... And suddenly claim as their after collecting their profit sice 30 year ago? I 🤔.....
It is his fault, he should have either been Malay (the ethnicity), or paid the bribe.
As a Malaysian local, let's stop every invasive effort to profit off of national park land, and stop both Royal Pahang Durian and the Raub farmers from coming back in. Re-naturalise the area, return it back to pre-Musang King park borders, and re-establish forests previously cut down by farmers outside of their legal lands.
We have had enough of skyrocketing durian prices locally, as rising Musang King prices has also affected prices of other durian varieties in the nation. Stop profiteering off of forest reserve lands, curtail Musang King exports out of the country, and everything will return back to normal.
Don't use public land for private business.
@Miles Doyle what has this got to do with the original comment?
@@Darkened_Sol lol People like that guy have nothing better to do than flood comments with religion. Rather than commenting for free, why don't they donate to the homeless or use the money they donate to their churches, who don't have to pay taxes, and then donate it to those in need? Oh right, because that requires work. Religion = trash
The government knew about it for very long time. The farmers even applied for permit but never got a response. Once it became extremely profitable suddenly "they" want to take over the land and the trees and turn the farmers into their employees.. like wtf. When the farmers objected they decided to cut down the trees. Extremely stupid behaviour.
Acah macam tanah tu dia punya, padahal duduk tanah haram buat tanam durian secara haram , ambil pula untung tanpa bayar cukai...
Video ni pun berat sebelah, farmer tu dah buat tanaman haram memang patut kena tebang pokok durian tu.
Dah bagi betis nak peha, lepas tu tak reti bayar cukai.
Bebal
Biase lah..
Di org apa kira haram ke
Dah mula nak fitnah Agong... dapat tahu dek pihak kerajaan persekutuan nanti sekali pekebun haram dengan pegawai kerajaan makan rasuah tutup mata biarkan dia ceroboh, semua kena bungkus. Saja nak cucuk sarang tebuan, nanti sampai ladang haram kat Cameron pun tempias kena roboh bila dah Agong murka... takkan tak ingat apa yang almarhum Sultan Ahmad sebelum ni buat? Siap hantar askar musnahkan ladang haram bila dia dah bengang kena fitnah.
Biasa la cina, klu melayu dh lama masuk jail
Korang ckp mcm semua ni bukan orang tau, yang xde keluarga dan anak utk jaga. Dh la kerajaan ni bodo, xbuat kerja btl2. Siapa yg btl btl rugi drp ni, petani atau kerajaan. Pikir dulu
Malas nk tulis English, pertama sekali salah sebab tanam pokok kat tanah simpanan. Kedua, tanam banyak pokok durian macam tu, mesti la kerajaan tau, tapi mesti la ada pegawai yang kena rasuah sampai diam. Tiba2 perkara ni viral, ko rasuah la banyak mana, nak tak nak kerajaan kena amik tindakan la. Mana kerajaan nk letak muka kalau dia biar je. Mende simple. Kira baik dia potong pokok je, kalo kerajaan bawak ko pegi mahkamah, mntak kau bayar cukai bagai, tak ke mampus.
So he started cultivate the land in early 2000s . Malaysia has its own goverment since 1957 . All lands must be registered . If a man could cultivated a piece of state owned land illegaly , all Malaysians could cultivated state owned lands as their own illegaly . Right ?! All Malaysians wants a free piece of land , right ?! . Business Insider must think about this . This is the State Law of Malaysia .
@2:10 - you said it was the farmers land, but previously you stated it was 'public land'.
I understand that the farmers have lost their livelihoods but that is the risk for illegally farming common / public land with permits or authorization from the local government. Even where I live I would be fined heavily for using public land for commercial purposes.
1. plant durian on state government land and the land is part of a forest reserve.
2. There is a breach of trust to protect these illegal farmers from their superiors that the locals are aware that the area has been held by the Chinese -based party (MCA/DAP) for decades.
3. if the right thing has to do with giving profit to the royal family, it is better that they do not cut down all the trees.
4. There is a case of a retired soldier farming on forest reserve land and he has already received a sentence. but this durian farmer did not admit wrong?
5. 20 years to be able to profit on sloppy land must be profitable already a lot. use the money to buy land legally and cultivate durian on your own land.
6. try to make a case like this in another country such as China. look at the punishment they will receive.
7. This report is biased. as journalists should look for material not only among these illegal farmers. go interview all the locals there.
gotta agree with 5. they had a lot of chance to go legal. but they dont. Near end of the video the guy say about how to feed wife, kids and parents. it really pissed my off. they profited so much already for "generations" 🤦🏽
The government seems to have no sense, why not simply charge rent to the farmers?
@@gazer3713 you sound like the type of person that hates rich people
@@edmundprice5276 is there any country that allows its people to rent forest reserve land?
@@HateTheIRS nahhh....she just doesn't like people who pretend to be poor when they are already making a lot of money illegally
"saya tak FAHAM" who allowed them to plan in the first place?????? God knows.........since 20 years ago???
Exactly,, well, from hearsay,, these farmers normally ask permit to cultivate like few acres gov land, then by slowly years by years they will expand by fews more acres without permission... The rest is history...
Usually they just plan without permission and in 20-30 years ago nobody care about that, not even the government. If the farmer try to get the right to cultivate the land at that time then they might've gotten it and all this bullshitery wouldn't have happened
I remember when during use to be $1.99 a lb then $2.99 a lb now it's like $10 to $13 a lb
Yep they control the price.
Don't buy it, simple.
@@PEACE.- it is delicious and sweet and more amazing when you use durian for pao or dessert. It tastes like heavenly how anyone can resist that. western didn't like the smell but they forgot how to reduce it by mixing with other fruit or pao so it will less smell. Anyway western didn't learn and it is similar to them like they can't cook rice too.
Yes when people boycott durian the price goes down a lot.
Yeah thats how inflation work
We all know half of the durian come from outside raub. Mostly from tangkak & they bring them to raub process center to get the certification (as raub known for it durian business)
Similar thing happened in Indonesia to Borneo/Kalimantan Orange and Cloves farmers, resulted with the collapse of the entire industry during Soeharto era. While the Orange suffered permanent demise, the Clove sector is experiencing recovery stage recently.
Will the Durian industry in Malaysia suffer similar fate?
Definitely of course. If you can live to see it
illegal durian farm lol..what worse its for generations..well its sad but here we have laws...no shit bro this channel have to investigate properly..you should ask the malay people and they story are whole different..illegal farmer has more than 100 durian trees each of them..that no small farmer there,for decade they don't pay tax.dont try to be victim here.illegal forest farming has been big issues in malaysia please investigate more
Poor content from BI,
Please be unbias if you want to make a great content.
How come illegal land taken by durian growers are considered their rights in this video?
Total
How come the issue of illegal land use was not dealt with sooner? Why the fuss only after the enterprise became popular?
@@dominique-valois Popular Enterprise = more forest cut down to plant more Durian trees.
Not hard to figure out
Every single illegal durian farmer you see in this video is a multi-millionaire. And Business Insider are making them look like some poor farmer being oppressed by their government? LOL.
Business Insider are definitely being paid by these durian tycoons to make this video. Pathetic. Can't even take their future documentaries seriously now.
You really expect news media deliver what's real? The world runs on money, you should've expect these type of things.
no matter what happen, Durians are still expensive in the local area, it changes drastically 10 years ago
in 1960-1970s was like : 70 cents MYR per Durian
2010 below: 5-20 MYR per Durian
2015-now: 25-200 MYR per Durian
i hardly get a taste grade A durians compared 10 years ago because most of them exported. Greed does revealing
Hera in sabah u can get cheap durian rm3-8 for durian kampung....but musang king price its so fck...rm180/kg in 2017...which is the last time I ate
It Depends on what type tho there are still cheap durian but it won't taste as good
the price durian in indonesia also increase every year. actually in indonesia is easy to find durian speasily in north sumatera.
@@mahdalenasaragih1480 I’ve been to inside recently and to be honest, Indonesia durian is lacking in quality as compared to Malaysia. I hope it improves over time however
It's just the demand has increased dramatically in the past years. More people want to eat it. Nothing to do with greed.....
As a person who has fallen in love with Malaysia and the Malay people, and as someone who first tasted durian in Malaysia and has since been hooked on to it, I am soooo sad to hear what is happening to the durian farmers there.. kudos to Mr. Chow and the small farmers for standing up for their rights. Much love from Egypt ❤️
They plant it at forest reserve 🤷🤷🤷
They are actually Chinese, not Malay. They speak Cantonese in the video.
@@jiagengliu There exist native Chinese in Malaysia too you know? People who lived and died in Malaysia besides the Bumiputra race
@@sthk1998 wow. that amazing. how come the land not becoming 'tanah cina' 😂
@@sthk1998 farmers illegally did the deforestation on jungle reserve lands
For locals they are too expensive so they settle for the cheap cheap varieties like kampung durian.
YEAH......globalisation and Gomen's incompetence at developing the economy means that a lot of stuff is often priced out.
yeah, i never ever get a taste of those musang king. Even those "cheap" varieties are costly
Business insider journalist should interviewed the state goverment too... These farmers profited from this illegal farms million... Its unfair to the rest of the ppl in that states..
The state government decline the interview as what the reporter said at the end .
Obviously, business insider are more BIAS towards this idiot's farmers...
Illegal farming in forested lands is one of the leading causes of environmental degradation, biosphere loss and decreases in habitat for forest flora and fauna. Why should the illegal farming of durian for profit in a public Malaysian forest get a free pass? Simply because it has been going on for so long? What about Malaysia's responsibility for its natural habitat? I wish this video had touched on this important issue.
Sorry, Lisa, but even if those durian trees "belong" there, an agriculturally tended plot cannot compare to a natural forest. Just looking at the video you can see how completely different the areas around the harvested durian are from the surrounding unmolested forest.
@Lisa before Surgery No, of course not! I just wish they had spoken more to the complexity of the issue. The farmers are not blameless victims here.
@Lisa before Surgery Lisa, you've completely mistaken my meaning here. I'm not AGAINST the farmers and I sincerely sympathize with their plight. I'm certainly not in favor of small farming concerns being overtaken by large corporations. My comments here are SOLELY to bring attention to the issue of illegal farming in national forests. THIS issue is IMPORTANT and merited broader discussion in this video. I hope that helps clarify.
@Lisa before Surgery Lisa, I have no idea why you want to pick a fight with me, but I'll have none of it, thank you very much. I've been plain in making my case here and you've made yours. So be it.
@@osainista bruh.. Why are u wasting your time replying to her comments? The farmers planted the trees on illegal public land.. Now they want to play victim..
The land dispute showcased in this video seems relatively similar to the land and territories of Ancient Empires, People farming on unclaimed territory until a Stronger Power expands and claims that land. This dispute in particular sounds similar to The Russian Empire Expansion under Ivan The Terrible; Claiming lands that were previously farmed on by Native Slavs/other minorities or groups. As Mark Twain once said: *“History Doesn't Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes”*
These people are not necessarily "natives" and they haven't been farming there "traditionally," at most they've been using the land for 2 generations.
chinese are not natives lol
Those farmers are not the native people of Malaysia.
@@raihanahjamaludin9110 native or not cutting the trees is still kinda sketchy since the durians probably grows there naturally, the farmers are just helping to plant more of them
@@fltfathin no Musang Kings grows naturally, its a hybrid fruit. Wild durians doesnt look like that.
Fun fact: They banned this fruit from many picnicking & camping locals. lmaooo.
My family used to bring it along to eat while we'd go fruit-picking at orchards opened to the public. It was also quite a potent deterrent, so others would keep to their area of the orchard.
If it was public land, why are they setting up farms on it? It's not private property, you can't do whatever you want on it, obviously.
Because it was their family's land before the land was administered. And since usually newly independent countries usually has problems with administering lands, these ones were never registered and automatically become state owned land. My great grandfather lost 1/3 of his owned lands simply because it was too difficult to register them in Indonesia. And Malaysia's corruption rate is also super high. Do you see the problem now?
@@robbieaulia6462 so if you clear the forest and live there and started farming, that land will automatically be yours? Wow so easy, no wonder we lost acres of forest reserve to human greed.
How much does this durian tycoon pay you guys ? I'm wondering
It's the truth but I think the information of the entire truth is insufficient.
The authorities said the RESERVED forest will be planted back with forest trees (well, I guest we will see on time).
What we should be concerned of is illegal deforestation, keep on segmenting wildlife.
They're not the one popularizing Musang King variety. It got famous when Kampung Durian Runtuh make a competition on the best tasting Durian. It didn't win but get a very good PR in the event and people started loving it then.
Only legends will understand
yes. at last the truth 😭 musang king ady legend bfore them.
musang king. raja udang etc is malays farmers. same as kucing tidur. chinese famous is black thorn ( sweet bitter). other?? nope
Lel
Wait. She said it wasn't their land they planted the trees on. Why should I feel bad?
This is misleading to say the least, glad most people didn't get suckered in the comment section. You get a gold star.
The farmers wanted a legal opportunity. They invested and paved the way for what is the Durian industry for Malaysia. Now the royal family is essentially monopolising on the Durian industry which was those farmers. The farmers have no options at fair play. How was it fair that now the land can be leased by one company who’s major shareholder is the Royal Family??? That’s text book corruption.
@@Chlo-ee I too would like a chance for fair play after I planted the trees on land that wasn't mine. Just because the government's a dick too doesn't make the farmers saints.
Avoiding paying taxes by planting on forest reserves, destroy ton of wildlife and costing the government millions in lost tax revenue. They aren't the little guy.
@@Chlo-ee what about all the profits they reaped for many years on illegall land?? do they pay taxes on it?? this is just dispute between rich people who want to get more dude
So.... is it farm land or state land? You guys said it was public land that they were growing on. Then in the very same minute say it was their farms?
Ikr.
"""""Licensing"""""
If i paint a mural on public wall even if i dont own the wall its still my mural. I think thats how you should interpret it.
Their farm on state land, that they got by illegally converting forest reserves to durian farms while bribing state officials with durian $$$
@@casperghost9808 thats not how land ownership works
interesting to me because those people are speaking cantonese
I am curious why is it interesting to you? Raub chinese are mostly cantonese and hakka. For chinese farmers there, I won't be surprised if they can converse in more dialects and mandarin.
It's not hard to see some Malaysians that could only speak Chinese dialects or Tamil in Malaysia. This is mainly attributed to the accommodation principle of the Malaysians when it comes to dealing with race.
Malay people are too kind. If they live in Indonesia & speak other languages they will be kicked out.
@@pinkyboose yeah even their names would be change to Indonesian tapi tulah Melayu baik sangat tu kena pijak
@@hongkaipun1204 malaysian but can't speak malay😂😂
And I thought Business insider is smart and professional. You do have your flaws too.
Most of western channels are mind programming against Anti-Islamic agenda in disguise or sometimes openly. Please highlight, did Mahatir Mohammad is responsible for it?
White girl voice and you expect unbiased...lol the farmers are thieves
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This is exactly what happened during the great depression. Small family farms were bought up by a few large corporations, by any means necessary. This lead to a massive labour surplus flooding into California fruit farms. Food prices and wages both fall. State/greed and poor policy lead to this.
Dont fall for this gimmick.
As a malaysian we know the real closed
Door stories.
Farming on public land, destroying the forest preserved by the govt is Illegal!
Edit: another thing, dont use the images of our agung for your false, biased content, as malaysian i found these are disturbing 😡
no, you don't know. Questions, why now only they cut the 30 yrs old tree after the Royal Durian Pahang incident? If its really an illegal land, it won't take after 30 yrs to cut the trees. In fact, if i'm the forest department...i would have cut it before reached 2 yrs old!
@@steven8148 that’s how audit works. When there’s absurd things on latest pages, auditor will investigate from beginning of page to find contradictories. The action will not taken until strongly proven.
@@steven8148 So what do you expect to happen now.. let the durian tree? Let the illegal things go on?
@@antonyhancick4769 its a huge issue gap in Msia governance system. We knows Durian takes a lot of decade to growth. its just a trap lay by the government for those farmers, don't forget they pull them to work on those field decade ago. Do you think its easy to move those 30 yrs old tree to other place? Let me tell you what will happened to those 30 yrs old tree, Royal Durian Pahang will grab it away for their own profit.
@@user-tl9wv6wu9h if the farmer lose, it would be downgrade for Msia justice system. There are old document permit proven they being there for decade. You don't get fruit beyond decade for durian trees!
they plant durian trees illegally without buying or renting land . they encroached on other people's land, that's why the malaysian government was instructed to cut down and plant new trees on the real landlords . please know the real story, don't give the wrong facts 🤗🤗🤗🤗
Unfortunately the authorities lost the moral high ground when they formed royal Pahang durian and tried to exploit the Farmers. Like this, it just looks like when the Farmers refused to cooperate, then they were unhappy and cut down the trees. It's really bad to try and profit from other people's hard work...
@@YongMingPor ok.kalau ada perompak masuk rumah kau nanti untuk mencari sesuap rezeki.kau biarkan saja lah dia merompak rumah kau sampai habis barang dalam rumah kau ya.
@@HikoCodik It's not so simple. The farmers tried for ages to get a licence, and failed. Then suddenly this RPDG comes out of no where and the authorities give them the licence to exploit the farmers. If by right you are going to give a licence, the licence should be given to the farmers-they have invested untold amounts of time and effort in this. Or if you want to charge them rent, then charge them. They can pay the govt directly.
But no, here with RPDG they have to pay rental then they are also forced to sell to RPDG at a bargain basement price.
The real perompak is RPDG and those govt officials who are in cahoots with them.
Who chopped down the trees even when there was a court interim order not to do anything.
When you have an anything goes environment, where the rich bully the poor, where the hardworking are punished and the idle are rewarded, then really, you don't deserve anything good.
Harga letak sampai tinggi dari pasaran, so rasalah apa yg korang buat
Harga itu tergantung supply & demand, ya kalau tak sanggup beli, tak usah beli lah
As a side note, I'm curious to know what effect this land use had on state forest ecology.
Was it effectively reducing habitat and biodiversity, and affecting the land with erosion issues or increased water run off?
Obviously the impact would be negative, not the other way round since they destroyed the original trees and replaced it with durian tree, any forest animals trying to have a share of their precious musang king tree will be trapped and gunned down.
Lies again? Draft Kings
im from malaysia and i blame the farmers.
So sad that they took them trees on unlicensed land. Really? Let me plant a forest in your garden.
do you know how long it takes to grow trees? 🙃 if the government hadnt wanted the trees there, they couldve stopped them before. but now that the durian are popular, they want the prices higher and so they cut down the forests that have existed for generations.
@@Hunlover123601 it does not matter. They grew the crops on gov property and the gov only knew this until last year. What more explanation do you need lmao
@@tehtarik9102 lmao. Are you gullible? Laws are not objective. What did they do when the farms were running 20 years ago? Ulterior motives.
@@imold5363 kerajaan boleh ambil tindakan bila bila masa. Tu tanah dia. Harini ke esok ke 30 tahun akan datang ke terpulang. Salah tetap Salah. Nak jadi cm yahudi ke rampas tanah orang tanpa kebenaran
@@tehtarik9102 lol imagine only finding out these farms are there after decades right when the durains became popular, what a coincidence
What happened when we go to plant durian illegally in Penang ? Very fair to everybody. Don't pay tax to Penang state. Please get the true story. Why Raub can be plant illegally, should same goes to Penang too.
why wait for 30 yrs to cut the tree, they can cut it even before it reached 2 yrs old.
@@steven8148 This happen when corruption involved farmer between middle man.
@@canonboy9959 this incident is more complicated than we read on the surface, it involved generation. i think the gov is trying to give them to move after they stop renew their land permit since their grandparents times. but how to move durian tree?
BTW, they are all millionaires or close to being one with due taxes
So save your sympathy
If millionaires, they don't have to worry about the living expenses of their family already...
Wish you would do some research on income of durian planters. A tree of Musang King would roughly translate into rm21k of income at least . Multiply it to 40-60 trees per acre (they plant more than this) x years in operation. Don't swallow everything you hear n see
@@nooneyouknow5002 The RM21K per tree already excluded the nitrogen frozen technique expenses, workers' wages, stall set-up expenses, fertilizer expenses, watering expenses, sellers' commissions, monsoon damges, income taxes... etc.? And RM21K per year, per month, or per tree life time?
Look it up for my reply. My postings have been blocked somehow here
Wow Business Insider advocating forest reserve enroachment over some inflated commodity
I just wanted to say how much I appreciate your channel
4 words to describe this video: "False content, illegal farmers"
I have durians farm and trust me....the price justify it because it is not that easy to manage and grow.
Each stages of growth will encounter different pests, each will ruin the trees in matter of days or weeks if not found and treat.
Not all type of durians trees are suitable growing
That's why i only settle for my grandparents durians. I only visit the place when i past through the area or when durian season arrived.
I am reminded of Taiwan and elsewhere, that supporting farmers is good not only in the sense of the fruit quality and diversity, but also against pests to the crop and maintaining tha variety of crops a farmer can rely on that would sell, market wise. However if there are land issues, etc, that does make it more complex.
Agree. Encroachment on forest reserve is a bit too much tho
you do know taiwanese famrers hates the ruling dpp with a passion
Zelda Breath of the Wild: Yeah we taught a whole bunch of people about it ...and.....
It gives 20 Extra Hearts
This is not a “cost.” This is just humans using mafia tactics against each other. They should be jailed.
Those guy are the new government and also kings(sultan) in Malaysia. Their so corrupted and racist towards Chinese business. Not only the durian business but there are other business their try to take over. Their even want to take over 5g telecommunication service too.
His dad leave him the tree, not the land.. lol.. what do you expect?..
The issue is, they farming at illegal site and by that they didn't pay the land taxes like others does.. Good citizens pay the taxes fairly like others..
Yes, sadly they act as the victim
@@muhammadamirul7963 as usual
All they had to do was reimpose taxes or ask the farmers to pay the taxes, and not completely shut down their livelihood or threaten them to an unfair contract. Corrupt government lol
@@muhammadfaiz641 As Usual, When things become profitable then Royalty comes in .
@@muhammadamirul7963 As Usual they act like bandits. Take only .
on a illegal farm wow
This is so heart breaking 💔
I am so sad to see trees die 😢
u sad of the durian trees died ? or.... the original jungle deforested to plant the durian tree.... and all the animal that lives there...
@@manofcultures I'm sad for all those animals and the trees they are suppose to live
@@jesse-pm6sg yep.... what i heard was it is estimated to be 11,000-acre of land......
@@manofcultures oh please. It's a small area of land compared to rubber trees and palm oil plantations. Direct your anger there.
@@nalzazlan whos angry tho ... sad = anger ? XD
The malaysian government is missing a trick, they should charge rent to these farmers if it is on public land instead of strong-arming them into the hands of a corporation
Aren't they corrupt?
@@kordapyo612 yes, the corporation and the Malaysian government are corrupt, but that is beside the point, the fact is that they are not thinking with thier business caps on
@@edmundprice5276 but how can they convince the farmer to give the farm to them? They dont own any of those
@@bachvandals3259 Oh, the farmer owns the farm, but the farm is on the land, the land is owned by the government, so, the government says give us rent or we will find another farmer who will
@@edmundprice5276 wait... How can you own the farm without the land? ... Isnt a farm just a piece of land?
Story from one side party is unfair, the farmer are not legalised at the same time cultivated in land which is belongs to the state . There are always has cause and effect.
From start they doesn't paying tax because that land isn't own by the farmer.... it's reserved forest that need to be preserve, all the nature heritage were cut down without permission.
Oh please, the organisation was given opportunity to comment, they declined. A very wealthy Royal family, bureaucrats and an opportunistic cash grab. These farmers aren’t wealthy, they’re surviving any way they can. No doubt there is room for improvement but when the state won’t work with you, but actively works against you, it’s impossible.
Stopped biased report.
Apparently durian has been so profitable, it brought back serfdom.
Well, Breadfruit is still in its early days. It’s not too late to diversify the crops and plant some breadfruit trees.
Breadfruit tastes like flavorless cardboard
@@chowfun1976 it’s best fried 😫
@@Cheras6 depends on the type. In Jamaica we have one we call yellow heart breadfruit. It has a slightly sweet, buttery flavor
Yellow meat breadfruit are the best.
@@Cheras6 not when prepared well. Jus Chill has figured out ways to make it very palatable as Breadfruit Chips and flours.
Obviously he's bad mouthing the government when you can see it's clearly stated in the video, it's not his land. Whether the motive for cutting down the trees are greed driven or not wasn't the issue here. It's actually illegal. Just because you have the money, you can't just take any land as you wish. There are laws regarding that and you wouldn't be in any trouble if you just follow the rules.
My biggest regret is not trying Duriam whilst I was in Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand and Indonesia. 😩
It's not popular there......its China where it started to blow up in 2014
@@jeffrey7737 it was always popular in Singapore my friend, then suddenly all the PRCs started sucking away our supply and driving up prices :(
Business Insider : promoting tasteless thailand durian
Also business insider : reporting illegal durian planters in Malaysia ...
Hmmm
Hahaha sampai ke sini korang report ye?
They live in Malaysia for generations, but never know how to behave as Malaysian in Malaysia even speaking Malaysia nor England.
They asked to ban jawi while they acessively use Chinese in every live even for the billboard (without Malaysian or England translation). Sometimes you wonder, this is Taiwan? Hong Kong? Or mainland China?
Speaking ENGLAND???
It was never theirs to begin with. They take advantage of the kindness of others but should be surprised when it cease.
For western people who wants to try durian for a first time. Try the one fruit that already totally ripe. The bottom of fruit already cracked open naturally. That the fruit have ice cream taste and sweetness in aroma
thanks :)
When I was at school, "conkers" were like currency for some reason. Durian, at least on the outside, look identical to a giant conker. You'd have been royalty with a durian hehe
I swear they are related. Just like the chataigne in Trinidad all have spiky exterior and shiny seeds inside that are edible
@@masonhoyte2388 they are not related
Horse chestnuts look the same aswell
They were growing these trees on PUBLIC land for which they do not own or have official permission to use. Its sad to see they cut down the trees but they should have plant it on their own private land
public land is ALL our land, not the governments
@@jaridkeen123 but they pocketed the profit? Shouldn't the profit be shared by the public?
@@jaridkeen123 so they gave 100% of profits to the government for ALL of us to use then?
@@jaridkeen123 our land means yoy dont get to use it fir your personal use. You are allowed to walk the forest and maybe camp in it but that is what public forests are for. Not for illegal farming
@@jaridkeen123 you don't understand how public land works I'm guessing
So they farmed public/government land, and now are complaining that their farms were destroyed? Am I understanding this correctly?
Here's the thing, those lands were cultivated as a part of our government's economic act, the 3/4th prime minister essentially said that anyone could clear out the "messy hill forest" and use it for crops....
People saying that you either love or hate it are liars. Im a german in Malaysia and i used to hate the smell and taste but now im addicted. Just don’t make the same mistake as me to try it in Thailand for the first time. Those Thais are ret arded and cut the peduncle.
Thai people export processed durian to USA
@@infj5196 Mainly to China
its like telling the world they life depend on the land they illegally used for past 30years. what a shame.
I am very happy with the action taken by Malaysian Goverment
Whenever a new food trend starts up, the indigenous people of that foods origin will likely not be able to afford to eat it anymore. Same happened with quinoa to the South American people who grew and ate it for centuries! They couldn't afford it Now, it's being grown elsewhere, the prices are coming down and *SOME* of the locals can afford to eat it again.
Modern day thieves aka NewEra PKM...
This documentary is showing only one side of the situation, the farmers caused illegal deforestation of forest land for their 'farms', treating the farmers as victims doesn't make much sense since they have managed to profit in the millions while doing something that is illegal, farmers who either owned the land/leased the land that the trees were grown on had no issues.
Imagine I plant a fruit tree in your backyard and start making a profit out of it while killing all the squirrels/ other wildlife and plucking out all the flowers/trees that you have managed to grow because it harms the profit that I make from your backyard
(This example is slightly over exaggerated but it has the same logic)
Everyone knows the Malaysian govt is immensely corrupt to the point even average Malays are hurting, and being ethically chinese/indian means double discrimination where laws justify themselves to steal land under the guise of equality but only benefits the elite.
The laws in Malaysia also actively encourage discrimination, like their bumiputera policy since their founding so it is no surprise their population of all races have been programmed with exceptional tribalism. Divide and conquer.
You know it works when the people rather fight each other than fix the broken system.
These farmers should go legally buy the land somewhere else. Then no one will disturb them.
Total outsider here, but I'm not sure what they expected. I get that they are rightfully mad for chopping those trees, but claiming it as their right to farm makes them sound entitled when they are clearly not. If the land itself was something that their government has unfairly acquired to begin with, then by all means, go after that but as it stands, does not make sense
although I do agree on the notion that their gov could've given reasonable terms or did things differently but that's in the realm of morals
Its too confusing... on one hand, the farmers are growing their crop on supposedly forest reserve, and on the other hand, anytime govt/royalty is involved, there is a good chance some shady business is also going on.
It is strange. When we see films with deforested land we get angry. But when these illegal farmers who has deforested a protected forest cry people get angry at the government who is stopping them.
Why is it ok what these thief's has done for years?
Should have done that before. Put a huge fine on them because they are using public land for business without paying properly Tax (not bribes). I hate this kind of people.
And yet their own malay kind are allow to sell at public road without licenses.
Farmers did tried to make it legal tho, the gov ignored them. The choice was only either u sign an unfair contract , or we cut down ur tress , cuz we(gov) want that land for money lol. And if u were to ask what is so unfair about the contract, well let’s just say they won’t allow u to earn much, like u do the work, the money goes into other’s pockets. Not much of a choice for living u see.
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For a cute cat, your uneducated comment seem to have attracted idiot followers😆 . The only durian sellers we yet to see are the Indians . So I think you're referring to the unlicensed Chinese and Malay durian sellers. Don't forget the big scale forest reserve clearance done by the people highlighted here
@@St-vr7hg so be it let it go.donot sign why now crying?
Durians have a truly unique flavour profile, they're described as tasting like rich vanilla custard icecream, seasoned with sweaty gym socks...
I can't imagine how that tastes.
@@arashkhoshghadamnia376 they are definitely worth trying, but yeah I'm not kidding the "king of fruit" basically tastes like birthday cake fished out of a dumpster lol
It's not mentioned in the video, but the first man is not speaking Malay, he is speaking in Cantonese with a mix of Mandarin. To most Malaysians, that alone speaks volumes about why they have been treated the way they have. He is Malaysian and his parents and grandparents were likely Malaysian too when the country became independent, however systemic racism and corruption is very real in Malaysia.
Also, "Smelly fruit"? Excuse me, Insider? I believe the word is "Fragrant"!
Many people said the government were cruel for taking back the land..but they don't know so many others squatted on government owner land (reserve) and build houses and lived there for generations.. government do have compassion when it matters