Hi Guys please respond I’ve Got a 3 counter arguments 1 . Sakuna going into the fight had no method of victory or a method to cut through “gojos scales” as he needed a blueprint in Mahoraga as any of his other CT’s Like The Flame Arrow Wouldn’t Pierce Infinity 10 Shadows and cleave and dismantles properties were the only viable option 2 . in hand to hand combat gojo fought Sakuna Mahoraga & Agito with limitless not on for the majority That’s 6 hands his cursed tool would be nullified by gojos ct output like hakari and Kashimo four hands wouldn’t change anything heian era Sakuna is currently so strong cause of Mahoraga teaching him something he wouldn’t have learned 3. why would heian era Sakunas domain be stronger ?gojo stated his ct is superior to Sakunas as he could heal all the damage Sakuna is at more of a Disadvantage using domain amplification while burdening The void if gojo was able to pierce his heart Sakuna would have no revival plan his CE would run out eventually gojos wouldn’t Sakuna was saved in the domain battle from being killed by Mahoraga he was beat in the physical battle and KO’d but yet again gojo could not Capitalise cause Mahoraga saved him and was beaten by gojos creativity with his technique none of Sakunas abilities would work so why would he show them or reveal them domain amplification is not a solution to killing gojo even if they stalemated and both lost the ability to use domains Sakuna would be fucked against infinity
@@killme1389 thanks for watching the video! For ur arguments, 1. Sukuna’s other ct would be able to reach gojo inside malevolent shrine, and that’s our main argument in the video, that gojo would either lose or get stalled by sukuna until the 5th de clash, where he would no longer be able to de and would be caught in malevolent shrine. Since his rct would be much worse than in the 1st clash, he wouldn’t be able to heal through malevolent shrine while fightning sukuna and would probably die. 2. Again, when we talked about cursed tools we meant in the context that they’re inside the domain. 4 hand’s definitely help in a h2h battle, even if you think it’s a small help, it’s still an advantage. The only reason gojo managed to fight sukuna, agito, and mahoraga is because he was amped by black flashes, but pre black flash gojo is relative to megumi body sukuna in terms of h2h. Also as for the “sukuna is only this strong because of mahoraga” statement, the only thing mahoraga gave sukuna was the space slash, which we make no mention of in the video. 3. The domain being stronger was more of a possibility, so my bad if I didn’t make that clear. The thing is it doesn’t really change the outcome. Our main argument is that since sukuna in megumi’s body and gojo both had their domains collapsing simultaneously, it means even if we make sukuna like 1% stronger (extra arms, chants, cursed tools, sings) it’s means he’d be able to stall out gojo for at least a second, which would mean unlike in the original fight where both gojo and sukuna’s domains collapsed simultaneously, this time gojo’s would collapse first and he’d be caught in malevolent shrine. Then after the 5th clash, just like in the main fight, gojo wouldn’t be able to de anymore
I think people forget that even though having good efficiency means your cursed energy drops extremely slowly, both gojos and sukunas outputs dropped by a lot over the course of the fight due to them spamming so many high-level attacks. The point is, efficiency doesn't matter, as the output will just drop regardless if you decide to use a lot of powerful techniques. People mistakenly assume gojo can just fight at peak performance forever, simply due to the six eyes when that got disproven by this fight
i think you seem to have misunderstood the fight, Gojo's output remained the same, same for Sukuna (kinda, since he does use a small amount of CE unlike Gojo who uses basically 0), what does drop is RCT specifically, so blue, dismantle, Cleave and infinity would always be at full power, the only thing that they do lose is RCT, they heal slower and red is less powerfull, however, Gojo can slightly recover this by chanting the lines to enchance red or hit a black flash (this applies to Sukuna as well). all of this is due to RCT coming from the brain by transforming regular CE into RCE, but the more a sorcerer uses it, the less they can produce, unless they regain it some way. but neither of them were ever at risk of having no CE left.
The thing is, the only reason gojos cursed output decreased was actually just because of spamming his domain, realistically he can spam any other technique it’s just that’d domain comes from the Brian
@@rockargen9591I’m pretty rct drains ce just like normal curse technique use, the only difference is it costs a lot more it’s like multiplying 2 negatives, im pretty sure the reason both of them were burnt out is because they both used a ton of ce (ino even said during the fight that the saying that Gojo never runs out of ce due to 6 eyes is based on the assumption that he’s using a normal amount of ce) and on top of all the domain expansions, healing with rct, using reversal red, lapse blue and hollow purple which is HUGE ce output he even figured out how to refill his ct after burnout from opening his domain. Sukuna has the biggest ce reserve along w amazing efficiency, Gojo has a good amount of ce reserves and he has AMAZING efficiency and stamina due to the 6 eyes, so imo they’re pretty evenly matched in that regard.
The points you both made with Sukuna’s extra arms and mouth to chant/ use hand signs to boost his domain is huge, esp when the domain clashes were already so close to begin with
I don’t think that’s how it works. I’m pretty sure the domain hand sign plus saying domain expansion are the chants and hand signs needed to boost. it’s the height of jujutsu for a reason
@@frost5462You’re forgetting that CTs are a part of the domain. Sukuna amping his domain would just be him amping the cleave and dismantle slashes. It’s no different than Gojo using UV then doing using Red with incantation. All Sukuna would have to do is chant the required incantation for his slashes either before or right after opening his domain (before the slashes start). And since he has 4 arms and 2 mouths, he can easily do the chant and handsigns for his domain while also doing the chant and handsigns needed to amp the slashes.
Little correction: The part about Megumin tanking the sure hit, is just Gege playing a linguist. In reality, what is meant is that during those clashes, Sukuna himself was not the one getting hit, but Megumin was. Meaning Sukuna purposefully offset his surehit from Megumin's soul, therefore leaving it unprotected, thats what is actually meant by "everyone but himself", himself being Megumin. It wouldnt make sense for MS not to protect Sukuna as that would be counterproductive in a domain clash, even if he does have domain amplification That being said, the main point remains the same, without the need for adaptation burdening Sukuna, he has the free use of his full body, his CTs, his tools and most importantly domain amplification. The last one is the most important one, because that allows Sukuna to breach the 0,01 second gap in the opening of the last domain since he doesnt only have to defend anymore. Since Sukuna couldnt possibly get caught in UV, Gojo would innevitably die after Sukuna closes his barrier.
Even if Sukuna didn't need to adapt though, Sukuna still would have to do all the same things just to make sure Gojo's domain collapsed after the first one. For example: After Gojo reversed the domain conditions, Sukuna had to turn off sure hit in exchange for more damage by Shrine, because he can't use his cursed technique inside, since he has to use domain amplification to hit Gojo (sure hits in domains cancel, so Gojo's infinity is still active). Sukuna did the binding vow midway through that round, so second round, when Gojo shrunk the domain, Sukuna's binding vow for more damage barely let him break Gojo's domain in time, when he turned it on immediately. Yes, he did have to take damage in order to let Mahoraga adapt, but that was happening passively. He would have to act in the same way even if he didn't need to adapt. As a result, he'd still get hit with the 0.01 second Unlimited void, get flashbanged by information, get stunned, and still get K.O'd in a domain clash.
@SupremeWaffle2021 not true. Sukuna actually had multiple ways of breaking Gojo's domain during the second domain 1. Just wait until the barrier collapsed. An inverted barrier IS stronger, but not unbreakable 2. He could do the same move, use domain amp and break the domain from outside 3. Because the barrier was reversed, Sukuna could have easily broken the domain from inside with CTs. Domains don't cancel techniques, you can still use them The adaptation was not passive, the adaptation MADE Sukuna passive. Due to the adaptation process, Sukuna literally wasn't allowed to hit Gojo back. During every domain clash post second domain, its only Sukuna defending, never attacking. Something even Gojo starts questioning, so does the narrator until Sukuna explains it himself. So no, Gojo can't possibly hit Sukuna with UV when he us facing a physically supperior Sukuna that doesn't have his hands tied due to TST
@@qGods 1. Yeah, the domain would eventually collapse, but the thing is, Gojo would probably be able to deal enough damage in time to collapse Shrine if he doesn't take action. 2. He can't break the domain from inside with domain amplification, since Sukuna would be busy trying to make sure Gojo doesn't kill him in the meanwhile. 3. Sukuna can't use his techniques while inside Gojo's domain. I mean, he can, but it's not safe, since then he can't touch Gojo himself, and Gojo can easily cause Shrine to collapse by damaging him then. Also, what do you mean Sukuna wasn't allowed to hit Gojo back? He was definitely able to. Sukuna literally used domain amplification to hit Gojo. He needed it too, since Gojo's sure hit meant that Gojo's infinity couldn't be bypassed.
@@SupremeWaffle2021sukuna wasn't able to use his techniques cause he was already using the wheel he stated in chp 230 he can't use DA amd his own ct while using the wheel
I feel like the fight between Gojo vs. Sukuna we got in the manga just cemented the titles they both had since the start of the series. Gojo the strongest of the modern era and Sukuna the strongest in history. Gojo overcame Mahoraga and the 10S in its entirety, making the Gojo clan the strongest of the Big 3 Clans in the modern era. However, he couldn’t beat the duo of Sukuna + Gege. But seriously though, Gojo just couldn’t overcome Sukuna’s numerous schemes.
It is kinda lame ya know to give Sukuna's credit on Gege. It is also kinda indirectly insulting Gege too. Just because he killed your fav doesn't make him a bad writer and doesn't make Sukuna a bad villain. Sukuna's plan was well explained but I still don't know how Gojo doesn't have any knowledge of Sukuna's CT. Gojo never was that guy.
@@THED3ADLY7The duo Sukuna+Gege 😅 you're an idiot 😂😂😂 Gege really was on Gojo's side making the fight last longer Sukuna should've ended Gojo when he lost the first domain battle Gojo shouldnt be able to use RCT to recover his burned CT it was just a plot to save Gojo, so yes Gege was in Gojo's favor
Sukuna and Gojo are well above and out of everyones league but as Kashimo pointed out Sukuna is made to be unrivaled, experienced combatant strategist knowledge of CE CT base stats 4 arm weapons incantations. Sukuna IS the calamity. For Gojo to last as long as he did and done a good chunk of damage disabling DE usage, that say alot. Shame, I did hope to have seen four arm Sukuna against Gojo and how he would try to counter him but alas Gege sad no.
We can't ignore the fact that many ancient sorcerers admited that sukuna is the best First: Kenjako he said without a doubt that sukuna ia the strongest and he made him as a counter for Gojo, knowing that Kenjako never underestimates people and we saw it when he admits not being powerful enough to beat Gojo and also not underestimating Yuki and calling her a beast Second: Kashimo saying that sukuna has the best usage of cursed energy and calling his four arms form perfection and its speed was faster than Kashimo's speed even when kashimo's form is that fastest since he sacrificed his life for it
Sukuna was interested in Higuruma's Death Penalty sword as of the latest chapter in JJK. I bet that the reason for that is that it has something to do with Sukuna's CT. So, maybe Sukuna's CT allows him to take and store the CT of others once certain conditions are met🤷♂
@@Nick-bv1ycI am willing to bet he doesn’t want it because he seems like the kind of character to find court cases boring and that is off putting enough for him to not want it. Unless his technique allows him to steal specific parts of the technique such as only the sword instead of the entire cursed technique as a whole
Hollow Purple wouldn’t work. Gojo himself said it would take too long to use against Sukana. Especially since Sukana would be able to sense the huge spike in CE. Even then through using domain amplification, having more CE, and having a more durable damage he most likely could block it. Which isn’t out of the question since Sukana has blocked it before and took the unlimited purple.
Also, Sukuna can destroy Red with a Dismantle pretty easy, as it is faster and prob much stronger than a Piercing Flood... + Maybe Gojo's Blue can't attract the slashes, so... Also no Red unless Gojo does a surprise attack
@@osas2kul I said that because you said that 3 purples could kill heian sukuna, but completely ignoring the reasons they stated on why he couldn’t get one off
It’s also implied by Gojo in the afterlife that Sukuna, if Gojo pushes him for a while, that Sukuna might eventually learn space slash by himself. It’s just that in the Heian era he had no one to push him far enough. He also said that Mahoraga was the perfect model to help him learn, that doesn’t mean that he couldn’t learn it. This is very heavy assumption bordering on head canon
I low-key agree with you. Sukuna said without mahoraga, it’d be near impossible to cut through space. “Near impossible” not “impossible” implies it’d be extremely difficult but he might be able to do so given enough time
@@beanhead5398 He would have definitely thought of it. Saying Sukuna would never have thought of it is an insult to his intelligence. Which is superior to Gojo’s intellect(not saying Gojo isn’t smart, relax). Think of it like this: On a math test you come across a long division problem, like…47/5. You have access to a calculator & there are no rules against the calculator. Would you rather spend minutes & minutes doing the long division or just use the calculator?(Let’s say you know math very well). Marohaga was sukuna’s calculator, or google if that’s easier for you. Math = Jujustu. Marohaga was simply the better choice for learning the slash & sukuna had access to it so why not?
That whole dialogue was Gege's way of apolgizing for off screening Gojo honestly. Got Gojo having the upperhand the whole fight just for him to be killed after " winning " so he had to let Gojo admit that he wasn't good enough to beat Sukuna for his death not to feel like some bs.
The thing about the megumi taking the brunt thing is that im pretty sure thats a mistranslation or false, im pretty sure what was said there is that Sukuna actually chose to not protect megumi with his surehit. Ontop of this i’d also like to add that even if Sukuna didnt want to use his surehit on himself as shown in the fight he could likely just do so anyway since its not like hes hitting himself or smthn
Yeah i dunno why so many people get confused by this, including youtubers. Of course Sukuna's sure hit is protecting him otherwise why would Sukuna get hit with UV after his domain collapses? Megumi is still there to tank the hit even if his domain collapses. Megumi simply took on the adaptation process.
@@edwardirwin3478yeah that's true , The most correct explanation is that sukuna took off the sure hit effect of his malevolent shrine from megumi's soul , therefore megumi would be only affected by infinite void since he wouldn't be protected by MS so he could adapt to unlimited void
1 theory that i have is that sukuna in the entire fight used cleave twice, when he shot it like a spirit gun and gojo didnt react to it because he couldnt same as when mahoraga took his arm and the 2nd time sukuna used cleave is when he killed gojo. What i am trying to say is that gojo did not took the full power of MS but only took dismantle attacks since cleave addapts to CE potency of the opponent and Sukuna has like 3x Gojo CE and probably either same output or higher.
The issue with using purple at close range is that sukuna can "see" the "sparks" of ce. There's no way he's just going to watch unless he wanted to tank it.
He was able to stop Gojo from doing it only because he had Mahoraga and Agito keeping him busy, there is no way he'd be able to prevent Gojo from using it during the entire fight in a fair one versus one, it's not like it takes hours to charge it, that's why he told us that a point blank shot would have killed him and was so scared about it, because he knew that even with Mahoraga and Agito he might would have been able to pull it off, if it was something that he could prevent by himself, then that entire internal monologue would make zero sense, why would you think about how a point blank hollow purple would kill you if you're sure that it will never happen? He specifically fought to make sure Gojo wouldn't be able to do it, again thanks to Mahoraga and Agito, but in a 1v1 Gojo definitely would be able to use it, what would happen after just depends on what Gege wants to write.
@@Hikari12217 If it was that easy he would simply have done it before Maho and Agito came out. Purple is similar to the world slashes in that they both take long enough to charge up that the opponent can rush them and force them into hand to hand before they can fire the technique off. It's why Gojo chose to fire both blue and red individually to make purple because even that was faster than charging up purple itself.
@@edwardirwin3478 Gojo was trying to kill Sukuna, but leave enough to bring back Megumi, if he had killed Sukuna with a purple then there would be nothing left of Megumi, so he wasnt going to just spam HP, he only decided to use it after Mahoraga adapted completely to blue and half adapted to red, otherwise he couldnt kill Mahoraga, and seeing how Sukuna survived when he himself said a purple would probably kill him, its pretty clear Gojo made it an unlimited Hollow purple in orther for it to kill Mahoraga, but not desintegrate Megumi's body.
People tends to forget that sukuna didn't just want to kill gojo but to also improve his cleave ability..... And to do that he need maho to adopt to gojo's ability and for that sukuna need to get hit with gojo's ability and that was the whole plan.... But in hein era form he will go with the intend to just kill gojo
It wasn’t a couple kms, it was point blank that Sukuna reacted to purple. It was stated by the narrator that while he sense gojo he miss read and had to react last second (probably due to ijichi hiding the purple)
The fact that people really got mad for Gojo losing, while Sukuna has over a thousand years of experience, lived in a more gruesome era and has showed an aptitude for learning new things. Throughout the whole fight you could the see massive gap in experience there was between Gojo and Sukuna.
It was never about who's stronger, it was about a good loving teacher Gojo respected as strongest now to defeat an evil psychopathic mass murder sukuna feared as strongest in history, Gojo has righteous causes and actions and sukuna has evil intentions and even worse deeds, it would be poetic justice for Gojo to win or atleast be a hailmary draw with the fight being interrupted like how every other jjk fight goes but Gege had different plans
what an absolute cook🔥 I wonder what trophy sukuna was going for fighting gojo on master difficulty in Legumis bum ass body bro got nothing to prove he’s already the strongest
When Sukuna said he anticipated Mahoraga's slash before hand and without Mahoraga it would be very difficult for him it was already over for Gojo. Sukuna with given time can learn reality cutting slash on his own.
If Sukuna didn’t have 10s, He would’ve died in the domain clash when UV hit. That would’ve been it. Mahoraga saved him there. Without him, Gojo would’ve won. Sukuna wouldn’t have outlasted Gojo without Mahoraga. Sure, he COULD learn the space slash, but would he survive long enough to? UV is completely deadly if it takes effect. Gg’s on Sukuna for surprising Gojo and winning, but he wouldn’t have lasted without Mahoraga
Sukuna only got hit by UV because of the 10s. Sukuna was taking riskier options and even Gojo was questioning about it. He wanted to adapt. Without Mahoraga Sukuna would most likely never take those riskier options. @@alexstrittmatter4120
@@alexstrittmatter4120 You make it seem like he would fight as recklessly as he did if he didn't have mahoraga... The first domain clash would probably be wraps for Gojo if sukuna has his heian era form... Even Gojo says as much that sukuna was fighting wayyy to defensively.. or if any domain fight he would lose
@@nocomment6012 From what I understood about the Domain Clashes and their Sure-Hit effects is that Sukuna (Megumi’s Soul) was tanking Unlimited Void as the Sure-Hit effect of Malevolent Shrine did not include Sukuna (Megumi’s Body). In that case, Sukuna would still be effected by UV regardless of his Domain being opened and lose or at least be close enough to death to give Gojo the upper hand for when Gojo heals his technique after his Domain Expansion Barrier crashes.
I just want to make a few corrections. 1. chants can't improve domain sure hits and stuff (they only effect technique output, definitely not sure hit) 2. Sukuna never got hit by any of UV's attacks, since he was using domain amplification. 3. The domain clashes would still go the same way. 4. Domain sure hits aren't variable values. They're more like boolean. Either 1 or 0. If both have sure hit on, they cancel. Same applies for domain amplification. It's completely cancel the sure hit. Let me explain. To understand what really happened, first, I have to go over the clashes in domains. First, they both opened domains, and Gojo's domain fell. pretty simple. Next, Gojo inverted domain conditions. This usually wouldn't be a problem for Sukuna, but since Gojo's infinity is still active (the sure hits cancel out), Sukuna needs domain amplification, or else Gojo can easily damage him while he's not able to hit Gojo. As a result, Sukuna turns off his sure hit (he's protected by domain amplification), in exchange for more damage midway through the domain clash. This allowed him to break the domain with Malevolent Shrine. In the third clash, Gojo shrinks down Void, and Sukuna immediately does the binding vow thing. This leads to another simultaneous end. Then, either one or two domain clashes later. Gojo manages to do extra damage against Sukuna, forcing him to heal. Whether this happens or not is debatable, especially because current Sukuna has more cursed energy than Heian Sukuna, as they've been absorbing negative energy since being sealed. This results in either a tie, or Gojo winning if he damages Sukuna. However, there is still a chance that Sukuna didn't know about domain amplification as well, in which case, he's basically screwed over by the time Gojo inverts his domain conditions, because he needs sure hit to be active.
@@SupremeWaffle2021 also the fact that Sukuna wouldn't be knowing any of Gojo's abilities in this case, since we are talking about the heian Sukuna, huge chance Sukuna would just get caught in infinity after he tried to attack Gojo, and second he wouldn't be able to strategize as he did in the original fight, no megumi to tank unlimited void, and no knowledge about the fact that if makes physical contact with Gojo he wouldn't be affected by the sure hit effect.
@@Luz10234 Didin't Sukuna just transformed himself into multiple cursed objects which are the fingers, the way people kept telling Heian Era Sukuna "is more physically stronger has more overall power" is like saying, Sukuna just nerfed himself on purpose for no absolutely fucking reason, saying the heian era form is some sort of a dragon ball z transformation or his "PRIME" its been constantly implied throughout the series Sukuna will be back at his "Full power" once he gain all his fingers, granted there was one missing finger but Sukuna consumed his mummified heian era body, to make up for the lost. Its also been portrayed that whatever vessel Sukuna is in, his power remains constant, i can't imagine Sukuna being quote on quote extremely weak just because he got in an old hag for a vessel, if you do wish to imply Vessel's power is related to Sukuna's current power then the fact that Sukuna's power didin't really get any lower since heian era, the vessels will just add to that as a small portion of enchancement. "As for the extra arms and mouth" Mouth: Sukuna basically already have the ability to summon mouths on whatever part of his body so i don't see how just having a permanent mouth in his stomach would be more useful than what he can already do. Extra Arms: Just like how it is for Megumi, the 10 shadows surpasses its user on certain stats, and now mahoraga is even powered by Sukuna's cursed energy he is far more powerful than what he was when he was fighting Sukuna, it is evident that both Agito and Mahoraga did a better job at facing Gojo in hand to hand combat as Sukuna managed to get manhandled in his own domain not to mention, thats Gojo blitzing Sukuna while using reverse cursed technique at full throttle, and we all get to see the speed gap between Sukuna and Gojo after the domain clashes, as Gojo was fast enough to create multiple afterimages against Sukuna, and even went as far as fighting Sukuna along with 10 shadows and damage him again to the point that Sukuna needed to hide and heal while having Mahoraga and Agito fight Gojo since Sukuna couldn't even last a second in hand to hand combat (Obviously thats an exaggeration but you get the point theres a huge gap in speed and hand to hand combat between Gojo and Sukuna) to top it all up, Sukuna got oneshot into knockdown by one blackflash from Gojo, while Mahoraga easily tanked it, so i see 10 shadows as more useful than simply having extra arms. Sukuna's heian form isin't actually portrayed as some sort of super saiyan transformation, its more of a one time use only reverse cursed technique with the process being him needing to turn back to his original form to loosen some of the damage, Kashimo was basically just glazing just like Uraume does. as for Gojo's words, he stated Sukuna could "Probably" still beat him even without Megumi's CT. Which Sukuna later on invalidates by stating he needed Mahoraga to mentor him into bypassing Limitless, otherwise all of his shrine abilities are basically useless against Gojo forcing him into hand to hand combat (Domain Amp) both statements are basically just a testament to how much both of them respected each other, while in the long run its nothing but a blind estimation on Gojo's part because he got surprised by the new technique that could bypass his domain, and the fact that Sukuna wasn't able to use any of his abilities like Fuga made gojo think Sukuna was holding back while in reality, Sukuna was back and forth using binding vows just to keep up with Gojo's constant change of domain conditions, therefore not allowing Sukuna to prepare Fuga since he had to keep changing his domain conditions with binding vows. Domain Expansion is unusable at that point, since Sukuna still had brain damage and is nowhere near his full strength evident enough that Yuji and the heavy hitters are capable of keeping up with him, as Yuta stated, its only thanks to Gojo weakening him to this point that they are able to keep up. Basically... Heian Sukuna, Just as strong as he was in Megumi's body, but with extra arms and mouth which basically means Gojo is still far superior in speed and hand to hand combat, 10 shadows proved to be more useful than simply having extra arms since Mahoraga is like 2x or more extra powerful than Sukuna already in terms of physicality. the only reason Sukuna is afraid that Mahoraga will get oneshotted by Gojo is because unlike him, Mahoraga can't use Domain amplification to negate some of the damage, and once mahoraga sustains too much damage faster than he could adapt, he is dead dead, not only is Mahoraga physically more powerful than Sukuna when he is powered by Sukuna's cursed energy, he one by one renders each of every Gojo's abilities useless by the second. Conclusion: theres not much change in the physical comfrontation, unless we actually say oh yeah Sukuna is nerfed as Megumi so Heian Era body would be more physically strong yeah yeah yeah, then there still wouldn't be any difference as Gojo would make up for it with blue enchanced fist and his speed and skills capable of always catching Sukuna offguard similar to how Gojo Blitz Sukuna so hard inside the domain that Sukuna is dumbfounded about the speed before being blasted by red along with his shrine. any of the shrine abilities would not be able to travel Infinite distance so Fuga and any of the shrines ability would be meaningless against Gojo, so Domain expansion and Domain amp would be the only thing Sukuna could use. Sukuna wouldn't be having the full scope of knowledge he have of Gojo's ability like he did in the original fight, which means, Sukuna wouldn't know the fact that he wouldn't be affected by the unlimited void sure hit effect if he simply make contact with Gojo as it is what he saw when Gojo showed it to Yuji, not to mention, Sukuna wouldn't even fucking know about Gojo's infinity so he would most likely just get caught in it if we are talking about Heian Era Sukuna with no knowledge of Gojo Satoru's abilities. the only thing i could see Sukuna doing is if Gege wrote some stuffs about his weapons that has literally thousands of binding vows on it, to be able to warp space and time or shit just to bypass infinity's conceptual barrier, the further you go the more distance between you and Gojo are meaning you will progressively get slower the closer you get to him. as for your assumption of Sukuna just gaining more of his previous power is what the writing meant by "Sukuna's fingers are gaining more power as time pass on" your ignoring the fact that Sukuna and every statements in the series point to the conclusion of "once Sukuna regain all his fingers he will regain his former glory and power" which heavily points out your assumption is extremely wrong. the only wincon Sukuna will have is if his weapons will do the work for him. other than that Sukuna is basically stripped off most of his abilities, far weaker than he currently is with 10 shadows, and less versatile since 10 shadows already provides him the leverage of being able to chant while the shadows who's physically superior than him fight and hold down his opponent far better than his four arms extra mouth body of his, it also gives him the leverage to take time on healing and observing his enemy.
Realistically speaking Gojo is getting bodied in the first clash....The only reason he survived against Megumi sukuna was because he was able to deal enough damage to sukuna to close the shrine but with sukuna being much stronger and getting amped by hands and mouth he'll simply beat gojo to death while the shrine slashes him apart
Bro is onto nothing The video legit had to clarify if gojo's unlimited void is nerfed and sukuna's domain amplification does work against it. But we all know domain amplification only disables cursed technique and help him get in touch with gojo to prevent the uv hit.
About Gojo's lasting more with his six eyes, I don't think that would happen tbh First its pretty much stated that not only Sukuna has refined CE and DE but he has at least double the CE that Yuta has Second Gojo during his fight with Sukuna was low on CE despite his six eyes minimal usage and that's because how much he used RCT to heal non stop to survive Sukuna's slashes and heal his brain, that's why he wasn't able to one shot Maho with red and needed incantions to use blue and red before the Black Flashes Also Gojo wincon with HP at close range is really bad, since yes HP is fast but it takes a time to do the ritual for it, time he doesn't have to do in the middle of the fight that's the main reason Gojo pull that 200iq move on Sukuna to land that nuke HP in the first place Gojo's only wincon is to hit Sukuna with UV and than use HP but there's a very low chance it lands because how strong Sukuna gets in his true form and how he can push Gojo more in the Domain battle like you guys mention
Firstly, during the start of the battle itself, gojo would recognize that heian sukuna is strong in hand to hand combats, and hence start to plan ahead for other strategies. I think gojo resorted to shrinking his domain/making outer barrier strong just because he knew he was superior in hand to hand combat vs meguna. When he faces heian era sukuna, he would have just analysed how open barrier works the first time he sees it. Then gojo would also cast an open domain. Idk why no one thought gojo is capable of learning this. It is stated that gojo can do anything. Against meguna, he didn't try the open domain, because he knew he can beat domain clash without it. So it wouldnt take 5 domain clashes at all, the second domain itself will be tied as both will be open barriered. Since outside domain, sukuna has no option to bypass infinity, he would struggle. Secondly, i dont agree when people say sukuna has cursed tools to use. If thats the case, even gojo can bring in special grade cursed tools to battle. Its not something sukuna brings from shadows, so it is reasonable to assume gojo can bring in the necessary cursed tools as well. One thing is that sukuna has 2 additional arms to hold them, whereas gojo has to hold and fight simultaneously with just 2 hands. Lastly, since gojo need not worry about adaptation of maharoga, he can use red, blue more aggressively than trying for sneaky attacks and countdown for adaptaion spins. If you think sukuna will learn the slash that can bypass infinity without maharoga, then i think you guys should acknowledge that gojo the strongest of modern era could learn open domain, domain amplification when put in dire situation. Even higaruma learned DA when he risks his life and is compared to gojo. This means gojo would have learned, when put under such situation.
@@Bottomsup1saying that gojo would just up and learn an open domain, isnt actual knowledge tho lol, before they saw sukuna and Kenjaku do it everyone thought it was impossible, and if that’s the case gojo would’ve learned DA after mahoraga cut his arm off
Just dumping a thought on domain amplification; I feel like what we see from Jogo & Hanami pretty much confirms to me that someone on Sukuna"s level is pretty much guaranteed to be able to apply it to survive Unlimited Void- To illustrate: Jogo fought and domain clashed("Clashed" is doing a LOT of heavy lifting here) with Gojo and after, though he did still fight, wouldn't even try risking a much weaker version of Sukuna's domain. This isn't meant to be a direct corollary, rather just to illustrate the gap in overall jujutsu ability.
also note that gojou wasn't able to dodge a watered off version of piercing blood while heian sukuna fully dodged and made piercing blood look slow as while blitzing choso. Both gojou and sukuna were both off guard as well and to be fair sukuna was fighting more opponents and they were arguably stronger than mahoraga and agito
@@Bigpimping7Heian sukuna is way faster than gojo. Sukuna was able to speed blitz kashimo who is faster than gojo. Gojo wasn't able to dodge cleave and dismantle on 3 separate occasions, whereas kashimo was able to dodge an amplified world cutting slash in his first attempt itself, which proves that kashimo is faster than gojo. Matter of fact gojo wasn't even fast enough to react to the slashes yet alone dodge it. Heian sukuna speed blitzing kashimo is proof of him being faster than gojo
There is something wrong about the first part with domains, how a domain works is if two domains clash the sure hit doesnt work at all until one side lose, it was explained in the fight and it was also explained it the dagon vs megumi domain clash. What actually happened is sukuna domain stopped the sure hit from gojo domain on himself since they're souls are in the clash ( domains were explained to come from the soul) but since gojo domain hits everything inside megumi was also affected by the domain since he was too traumatised to deploy his own domain to block it. So if prime sukuna and gojo was to domain clash sukuna would not get hit by gojo domain since during a clash domains are turned off for that area, think about it like when megumi was in dagons domain non of them could use there sure hit. Another thing is gojo uses limitless to block himself and whoever touches him from the domain so once sumuna realises he has the infinity he would know that if he grabs gojo with domain amp he would be safe to destroy it from the outside. Then theres the fact that because sukuna doesnt have to keep the wheel active he could have potentially used flame areow to end the fight after the domain clash
The chants are only to amo curse technique if your output is low in a fight it's not good because it takes time. Not only did we not see a chant for domain expansion, it would be stupid to do so. The time taken to chant you already trap in a domain. It defeats the purpose
Sukuna’s heain era body is perfect for Jujustu. 2 arms, 2 mouths, 4 eyes, you couldn’t ask for more. 1) All his physical stats are better 2) H2H is a lot easier for him 3) CT & Malevolent shrine are stronger. Not to mention, Malevolent shrine was already > Infinite void in Megumi’s body. 4) his cursed tools assuming he has them 5) Superior overall IQ/BIQ 6) The fact that he has ALWAYS been capable of doing the space slashing dismantle. He just needed a challenge & time which he definitely has. 7) Finally, Gojo himself mentioned that sukuna’s Marohaga strategy was very risky as he’s more likely to get hit by UV’s surehit Gojo was simply never going to win. Gege would have to go through hoops to make Gojo win. Heain era Sukuna > Gojo, mid - high diff(Meguna extreme diffed Gojo).
@@blu3d3vil97 That move required a lot of prep & it only worked because Marohaga adapted to blue. If Gojo just did it before Marohaga adapted, then it wouldn’t have worked
Does it actually say Sukuna is "stronger" in his Heian form in ANY translation? Gege is pretty careful with some of those statements I don't remember it saying his form is physically stronger in ANY respectable translation. It yaps about him having more mouths to chant and arms to weave signs and I believe some talked about stamina because of the mouths and lungs but nothing says physically stronger. I'm willing to be proven wrong if anyone has a decent enough source for me to look at.
Look no further than when kashimo is scanning sukuna heian era body. The narrator gives in great detail the pros of sukuna heian era body and goes on further to say " what kashimo saw was perfection"
I don’t think it’s ever specifically stated but we can pretty easily assume so. We know different bodies have different stats not taking cursed energy into account, so for instance, yuji’s base stats with no cursed energy are way above megumi’s. Applying cursed energy enhances those stats, meaning your “base” stats (no ce) correlate with how strong you are with ce. And the portrayal heian sukuna has gotten very clearly indicates that his base stats should be way above megumi’s. Also, 4 arms is a massive boost in a hand 2 hand fight, and would be a massive advantage even not accounting for signs
@@MarvoloRiddle "that don't mean didly squat"💀Heain Era Sukuna is said to b perfect by the narrator. Was Gojo's body ever called perfect by anyone other than Gojo fangirls. Heain Era Sukuna's body is so op that "for a socerer, there is no greater advantage". Almost all of u Gojo fans make me🤢
Cleave is changing to match the opponents curse energy output so how could his slashes be stronger in haien form? He still has the same curse energy supply and output since he got his power back after 19 fingers plus corpse. Might even be stronger with his cursed deep in the evil pool. To cleanse or taint megumi soul like scrub it clean
Potentially with chants u could make cleave 120% output So 20% above what cleave would generally need to cut trough So maybe it would be useful for shit like gojo outhealing At least this is the only way i see cleave being improved Its an automated technique after all Sukuna just aims it
Most accurate video ever about the subject. Sukuna Heain will just Destroy Gojo with ease, people forget that in this fight sukuna was taking hits on purpose for adaptation, heian sukuna will just now play with Gojo like meguna did
About sukuna sure hit not protecting him is false because in the dagon fight the momen Megumi laid his domain the sure hit disappeared and Megumi didn't have any sure hit in his domain so in evenly matched domains the caster of the domain is protected by the domain from his opp sure hit so sukuna body and soul were protected by his domain but Megumi was an outsider do his soul was hit.
@@abhishekchoudhary4689 I see that makes sense. Overall i don’t think it chances the outcome too much since sukuna should win regardless but I think ur right
Here's a question I'm not sure where to ask, so I'm gonna ask it on all the JJK videos I can find. Does Sukuna get Yuji's black flash amps? He's able to copy mahoraga, analyze everyone's technique at a glance, can see the beginning sparks of a technique activating, and we know at the very least he shares Yuji's memories. Is it possible for him to share the feeling/zone from Yuji's black flashes?
That's what I'm saying. He had info on Gojo thanks to Yuji and Megumi's memories, what if that's not all he got? Ofc this could just be my head canon for why he won against Gojo
I feel like the Mahoraga Slash that killed Gojo, is the same way Sukuna would have died if their domains clashed and he was hit by Unlimited Void, in a world where Sukuna had no background information before the battle. It's the shock factor, the lack of time to react. I think the anime foreshadows this in Toji vs Gojo. I hate to be that guy, but honestly, Unlimited Void has got to be one of the most broken abilities in any anime.
I think only sukuna fingers as curse object got stronger overtime the actual sukuna didn't get any stronger. And the reason I think this is because we know sukuna fingers have different properties in comparison to the actual sukuna Like sukuna fingers being indestructible,giving power to curse,causing curse related disasters etc but sukuna himself exhibit none of those properties. Secondly never has it being implied that this sukuna is stronger than his past self. whether it be Kenny,angel,yorozu,uraume nobody made that remark. But as kayo said we still don't objectively know so if you think otherwise it's fine.
No. As we know, you can't use a ct and da at the same time so when Sukuna said when he was unable to use da, he used megumi's soul to adapt with mahoraga
@@HeavyWeatherr the domain's sure hit is seperate from the actual cursed technique imbued in the domain. Thus sukuna's domain was doing it's all while he could use da. Sukuna domain's deals physical damage while gojo's domsi could be argued to do psychological/ soul based damage. Hence the reason megumi soul was damaged but not sukuna is because Sukuna's domain only protects his body and soul while disregarding everything else. In my opinion Sukuna's da usage had nothing on him not using a ct (10s, shrine or open). It would have probably be useless since gojo still has his infinity in his domain
You skipped an important detail. We know that gojo and sukuna are both capable of changing the conditions of there domain on a fly. Meaning sukuna can actually make the sure hit of his domain target himself to negate the UV and change it ones gojo's domain breaks. (*Although this is only if sukuna is vary of gojo and doesn't underestimate him which knowing his intellect he won't)
I don't understand. I thought it was clear that gojo was winning most hand to hand physical fights? Yes sukuna is stronger but that doesnt necessarily mean he'd completely outdo gojo. Also gojo said his limitless/rct was far superior than sukunas in the inital domain clash so wouldnt he br able to tank shrine again?
We saw gojo’s rct was already slowing down by the 2nd half of the fight. He had to use rct on full output just to survive being in sukuna’s domain for a few secs, meaning with slowed down rct he wouldn’t be able to survive inside malevolent shrine. So yeah, after rct spam he’d eventually slow down just like in the original fight, just this time his rct would slow down faster since he’d have to spam even more if he’s inside malevolent shrine
@@HeavyWeatherr A domain expansion already amplifies your technique to 120% however. Would it be the case that Sukuna’s Domain would even be stronger since it’s already at full power?
@@HeavyWeatherr The thing is Gojo was assisted by Utahime whose technique amps anyone in her vicinity. This basically means that under normal circumstances he couldn’t reach 200% normally. And 120% consistently seems to be highest you can get without a binding vow or outside help, which even Sukuna implies since he believes Gojo only reached over 120% through a binding vow.
I feel like the main deciding factor is really how much physically stronger sukuna is in the heian era, because if it turns out he is weaker or about equal to what he was in the main series fight he basically will lose almost every time because all gojo needs to do is contend with sukuna until he lands unlimited void. Another thing is that sukuna wasn't really able to do any damage that was significant enough to outright kill gojo until mahoraga broke through infinity, which sukuna wouldn't be able to do, negating dismatle as a win con. I can see that if sukuna was a lot stronger in the heian era that he would be able to eventually kill gojo in the domain clash before he could land unlimited void, but if hes around the same strength, I believe sukuna just wouldn't have enough power to get through gojo. Also a major win con for gojo i believe is that because gojo has prior knowledge of sukuna, he could instantly open with hollow purple like he did in the main fight, which while maybe not killing sukuna outright, because he wouldn't know about it like in the show, would damage him enough so that if gojo immediately opened unlimited void he wouldn't be able to recover fast enough with rct and get hit by it giving gojo the instant win. Also a statement that could potentially put a lot of doubt on heian era sukuna's strength was that when he first fought mahoraga in shibuya he said that there was a good chance he would have lost if they had fought "back then" most likely refferring to heian era, which would have made heian era sukuna quite a bit weaker than current sukuna, and could also enfer that sukuna's domain was actually less refined in the heian era as he used his domain to kill mahoraga in shibuya (just a theory tho)
Quit yapping. "Back then" refers to the incident at the Detention center, where 3F Sukuna almost pushed megumi to bring out Maho. Hiein Era Sukuna low diffs.
Gojo's win - con is his UV. If sukuna underestimated gojo, he'd be one shotted. . Purple failed twice against even Meguna and heian sukuna ia a lot stronger than him. Plus normal purple takes time to charge and leaves gojo open. Its not toji who would just watch gojo flying, saying cocky dialogues and still get hit. He'd dodge or get right behind gojo and attack.
Imagine Sukuna in his four arms body First: winning inside the domain will be a big possibility since he not only have like 3 times more cursed energy than Gojo but he can chant with two mouths and use curses energy more effeciently in his four arms body Second: while using domain amplification to protect himself from unlimited void he can use his cursed tools to attack knowing that his cursed tools are more stronger than the slashes so Gojo will have to deal with a sukuna which is stronger physically and who can attack with cursed tools which make the healing of Gojo's CT more difficult and nealy impossible Last: Gojo will lose every domain battle fastly which make it impossible for Sukuna to ever get hit with UV which was the only thing that can make him lose, i don't agree with you saying that Sukuna can lose because of purple, Sukuna in his hien era form is much faster he doesnt even need to tank it, and he can sens CE better so those sneak attacks that Gojo landed before on sukuna won't work in his hien form
Everyone seems to forget that Sukuna gained cursed energy when he was in finger form (he accumulated cursed energy over several centuries). So he is actually stronger now than when he was in the Heian era.
@@ridwanusman2538 Yugi, Kashimo both confirmed that, Sukuna couldnt keep up with Kashimo in megumi's body, but when he used his four arms form he was much faster and stronger
@@JonDoe-uq1mk that's not true Sukuna, the fingers accumulates only the power that was already in the hien era, there is no indication that the power surpaces that of the hien era, also sukuna in his hien era form is like 21fingers(20fingers+the body)
@@JonDoe-uq1mkhe didn’t accumulate energy his energy was leaking over time that’s a Big misconception because the his fingers were getting stronger over time because of the curse getting weaker so his CE was leaking more from the fingers
Gojo fangirls keep on surprising me😭😭 1.the bath is literally said to sink the soul of the vessel (megumi) so that sukuna has an easy time controlling his body not to make him stronger lmao 2.the cursed objects (fingers) gain power overtime in order to be indestructible,it wasnt said that the curse/cursed spirit/sorcerer within is getting stronger
With how Higuruma was described as having as much talent as Gojo, I honestly think Gojo could in a hypothetical scenario learn DA if pushed to a 6th clash and if that happens he could stand a good enough chance to injure Sukuna to a point his own MS simply falls apart. If it gets to that point then the fight really is a free for all since there's no telling what Sukuna could whip out for Gojo we do have a good idea of his capabilities, but under those controlled circumstances I could see Gojo pulling a dub against him. But then again the same applies to Sukuna, since there is a fair argument to be had for Sukuna learning those World Slashes without Maho
Gojo using DA is like mahito using DA Its a nerf Their hax enhance their fighting so much that purposefully stopping limitless and IT is just a straight up nerf Every time gojo outdid sukuna in h2h was by using blue to speed up and attract sukuna towards his hits Without that i doubt gojo is going to win against sukuna in h2h
@@blu3d3vil97using DA while he can't use his CT is a plus point rather than nerf, he was using falling blossom for the same reason to use rct over his brain and recover fast.
Sukuna's sure hit does protect him from UV otherwise why would he get hit with UV after his domain collapses if Megumi is already tanking UV for him while his domain is up?
Not only that , it was stated that sukuna used domain amplification during the domain battle and when he uses DA he can't activate the 10s nor making megumi adapt to unlimited void and although this fact sukuna still didn't got hit by infinite void when this suppose to happen if the translation is really correct
Kenjako's opinion: Sukuna is the strongest Gojo's opinion: Sukuna is the strongest Gojo fans's opinion🤡: Gojo is the strongest sukuna is 10shadows merchent 😂😂😂
Tbf its fun seeing all that desperation in those fans Or the yuta fanboys calling sukuna a fraud for getting another ct but praise yuta cuz "its his ct" Like they will deliberately demand that everyone just tries to headbut everyone and never use anything but how lucky they were born
@@Kyuubey0406 what an idiot you are hhh, Sukuna called Gojo a fish and compared him with Kashimo... also Sukuna made it clear that Gojo has no chance of winning when he said that Gojo was lucky to have been born in an era where sukuna wasn't there, Gojo has the si eyes he wasnt doubting himself he analysed the situation and knew that Sukuna had the upperhand
Gojo fought without bloodlust and he would win he needs only seconds to destroy Sukuna brain and soul even if gojo domain lasted 10 sec against Sukuna. In the first clash Gojo Satoru lost quickly because Sukuna knew how is the structure of unlimited void and the slashes would be stronger because the maximum output of CE won't change. Gojo would with high diff in my opinion. And remember Gojo never tried to destroy Sukuna head because to save megumi he had to preserve his head. But doesn't matter who wins Gojo Satoru will return. Let gege cook.
Gojo legit said that sakuna doing that in the second clash was the riskier option and that he could have gone for a safer one since the domain was weak on the inside. He only did that because he was using 10 shadows in secret. You on some fanboy shit. Sakuna cooks gojo
@@Blackjesus327 it's my opinion. you have yours and going to do the risky opinion doesn't mean the first option is better. Maybe you have to read the fight.
It is very hilarious to say that Gojo never went All out when he hin self admitted it. Now tell me one thing ? How Gojo gonna destroy Sukuna's head ? With Hollow purple ? But it has limitations, with red ? He already did and Sukuna ate it. Blue ? It has no ending property. Gojo doesn't have a win con. He is one who started the fight with 200% hollow purple. Gojo literally and genuinely never holds back.
Also we don't know if sukuna knew domain amplification from kenjaku or already knew it. But most importantly he wouldn't know gojo domain expansion ability to know that he needs to use domain amplification right after or if he will have the chance to do so before the stun
Sukuna would know after their first hand to hand exchange before they activate their domains that Gojo's cursed technique prevents him from touching Gojo and would know to use DA. Doesn't matter anyway as Sukuna's sure hit does protect him contrary to what is said in this video, so he wouldn't get stunned when they open their domains.
Gege left it ambiguous for a reason. This is all headcannon until Gege says otherwise. Who’s to say Gojo won’t just spam teleports and purples. He never tried to kill Sukuna.
He tried, he said it like 3 times, that he was going all out and that his goal was to kill Sukuna. Gojo we saw in this fight was peak Gojo. While we are yet to see peak Sukuna
@@danilka523 He was being humorous and trash talking. When it came down to it and he thought he won the battle when UV hit, he says, “I’ll bring him close to death.” It was never in his intentions to kill Sukuna while he was possessing Megumi which is why he lost
@@MindlessMenace Nope, its just u are delulu. He said that he was going to bring Sukuna closer to death than he was while being in Yuji, referring to the moment when Sukuna lived without a heart. Which basicly means kill Sukuna. Doesnt change the fact that Gojo himself said that he was going all out during this fight. Let me guess, u know better than Gojo?
What Gege did write is Gojo saying he’d probably lose to Sukuna even if he didn’t have 10S and that was without Gojo witnessing the Heian era form. If we go by just the writing, nothing is definite but it leans towards Sukuna winning regardless as we have Gojo expressing that himself.
@@AllyrionWWthat I agree with. The reason I wrote what I said is because everyone is saying the fight is one sided or that Sukuna wins 100%. It’s not definite
Gojo would've lost the first clash to a 4 arm Sukuna AND gotten sliced to a degree he could NOT RCT, at least not easily enough to keep up physically and he wouldn't be able to bring his CT back unless he wants to die. And a misconception is that Sukuna is vulnerable to unlimited void normally and used Megumi to adapt, however its moreso that he made himself vulnerable so that he could adapt using megumi.
@@ahmedthelssj9428because in JJK the philosophy of the strongest is not to win, but to prove that they are the strongest. Sukuna saw 10 Shadows as a way to improve Dismantle and also, Megumi was a vessel he could use without losing control of or killing while possessing.
This message is gonna be a bit long, so, pls study patiently. I disagree with Kaiyos take on how instantly sukuna get stun locked after gojo opens his domain if sukuna doesn't have megumis soul. My counter-argument is that......narrator clearly stated that both of their sure-hits inside gojos domain are equal so none of them would receive any damage.........even if u completely remove megumi soul out of the picture......sukuna would still be protecting himself from UV with his MS. Just like Mahitos domain, Gojo's domain sure-hit can also target multiple souls in the opponent........so, sukuna didn't/ can't protect megumis soul from UV so that megumi soul can shoulder Mahoragas adaptation. When narrator stated that......."HE took the UV for 5 times" by this statement he means that..... 1st domain : Megumis soul is only exposed to UV for a brief moment (we saw gojo and sukuna didn't even move from their positions and sukunas domain instantly destroyed gojos domain from outside) 2nd domain : Megumis soul got exposed to UV for a few seconds [from what we saw from the manga......sukuna completely relied on domain amplification to combat gojo (we know that......if sukuna used DA then Mahoragas adaptation would be on hold from chapter 230) and used yuji memories to quickly destroy gojos domain through a binding vow] 3rd & 4th domain : we don't know what happened inside the 3rd domain clash......but in the 4th domain clash, sukuna is completely tanking gojos hits without using domain amplification. It is clearly shown in the manga panels that there is no DA aura around sukuna (it is from 3rd domain clash, sukuna completely stopped using DA and completely relied on cursed energy reinforcement and RCT to survive inside gojos domain so that, Mahoragas adaptation will not be halted) 5th domain : sukuna lasted inside gojos domain for 2 minutes 40~50seconds (which is equal to the exposure time of Megumi soul to UV) It is not like megumi soul was completely exposed to UV for 5 times.......it is exposed to UV THE MOST during 3rd, 4th and 5th domain clashes. Regarding Domain Amplification negating gojos sure-hit..........none of the Anti-domain techniques like simple domain, falling blossom emotion and DA can negate the sure-hit of Gojo domain because of its complexity which was stated by kusakabe. If DA really does negate gojos sure-hit.....then there is no point of sukuna touching gojo during 2nd domain clash. Sukuna could have easily increased the strength of MS through a binding vow without touching gojo if DA negates sure-hit of gojos domain, however, that is not the case.
There's a reason why Sukuna didn't use his true form against Gojo. He knew that he can't cut through limitless and the fight at worst would end in a stalemate.
It is literally shown that both Domain Amplificaiton and Domain Expansion cuts through infinity. How are you so dumb that you can't even follow the fight? The reason why he didn't use his true form is also obvious, he would've destroyed Gojo through DE but would expand considerable energy and leave him vulnerable to subsequent challengers. In contrast, using the ten shadows technique, he gets a free heal at the end of the fight which he held off on using until absolutely necessary. Its baffling how braindead JJk fans are that their level of comprehension is so dismal.
Yeah like I’m seeing so many sukuna supporters say that he was always capable of learning world dismantle(yes it’s a dismantle not a cleave), sure that’s fine bjt Mahoraga rapidly decreased the time needed, and sukuna was STILL about to lose. Also they’re saying a detail was a mistranslation or flat out false? How? It’s official and Gege hasn’t said it’s false, sukuna had to shift the impact and time of adapting to unlimited void onto Megumis soul. I can definitely see sukuna choosing to use the Mahoraga strat to learn something from the fight, since gojo is the only one capable of pushing him to the point he needs to grow on the fly, that’s fine, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t his best strat. I think if sukuna used heian era form from the get go he would have won the domain clash, because the 4 hands and 2 mouths are a huge advantage, not to mention his 4 eyes which give him enhanced perception. He can so easily chant with one mouth, use hand signs to boost the domain, and use the domain at the same time. Gojo would need to use simple domain instead of a domain clash and that leaves him vulnerable to sukuna throwing hands. Now o he needed a cursed tool to transform, so that option wasn’t there during the fight, and sukuna chose not to transform because he’s an asshole and wants everyone to think there’s a chance to save megumi.
i think gege done gojo right to make him fight megukuna cause heian era sukuna lets be real its not fair and it will be brutal we saw how strong his form it is stated its the prefect body for a sorcorer so if u think having 10s is a big advantage bruh there is nothing more advantage than having 2 extra arms and 2 mouths its just not fair imagine playing vs someone is aimhack and wallhack
Exactly. Gojo got off way easier than the rest of the cast, and this is a nerfed Heian era Sukuna who bodied everyone. A fully healthy Heian Sukuna would actually be unbeatable.
The thing is there's no reason for Gojo to domain clash. He can just teleport out of a barrierless domain and fight as normal in a barriered one. Assuming Gojo can't win in the traditional barrier clash domain expansion, he could just open a hole in the domain like Megumi did with Dagon.
If somebody loses a domain clash they can't use their CT for a few minutes. Gojo can't beat Sukuna without his domain and the same goes for Sukuna. Gojo was destined to lose as Sukuna has a superior domain. Those types of holes don't work on open domains and nobody can stand still into a vortex of slashes.
@@GigaNiga483 What I'm saying is that gojo doesn't even need to use his domain. If sukuna uses a barrierless domain, Gojo can teleport out of it. If Sukuna uses one with a barrier then yeah Gojo has to domain but his barrier wouldn't be attacked from the outside like it would when Sukuna uses a barrierless one so Gojo should be able to last long enough to make a hole in the barrier since he's far better than Megumi at barriers and is more evenly matched with Sukuna.
I think the biggest problem with this discussion is that you guys are assuming something that has not been stated nor even hinted at. Fully reincarnated Sukuna is not any stronger than Meguna. 20 fingers of power is still just 20 fingers of power. Meguna fully reincarnating only gave the benefit of being fully healed, it was never stated to make him more powerful, at least not in a raw sense. It is stated as mentioned that he can fight more effectively because of thhe extra body parts, but nowhere does the narrative state he became stronger. It also wouldn't even make sense why he'd be stronger. His power is contingent on his fingers and he was already at 20 fingers of power so how exactly does he become more powerful than 20 fingers...by reincarnating into 20...finger Sukuna. That doesn't math. The "his body is bigger" argument doesnt work either because their power comes from the magic system and not real life attributes. Like Yuji is physically stronger than literally everyone in the series yet he gets bodied quite often because the strength of characters in the story is from magic (cursed energy). So, Sukuna somehow now being able to out muscle Gojo because his physical body is bigger still doesnt make sense.
Sukuna is obviously stronger than Gojo... but the fact of that matter is that Sukuna used his immense knowledge of jujutsu and his month of prep time to be able to beat Gojo during the Shinjuku showdown and had months before that to plan out his strategy and gain knowledge on Gojo. If Sukuna and Gojo fought with no prior knowledge of Gojo there's a good chance that he loses because he doesn't know that Gojo essentially has two instant-kill abilities in Purple and Infinite Void. If Sukuna doesn't immediately perceive Gojo as a major threat and slips up because he's not taking him on with the intent he did in the manga he just outright loses even though he's a stronger sorcerer. Also for the domain amplification thing... that kind of breaks a lot of what we know about domains (not to say that its not how it works in the manga because it clearly is) because then Jogo could have tanked unlimited void with amplification in their first fight, Gojo or Sukuna could have just not opened their domain and used amplification, and it essentially makes domains useless against anyone who can use amplification. Glad Gege hasn't used it like that outside of Gojo v Sukuna because it'd be hella lame.
I think there's a shot Nobara returns with Sakuna's final finger to deliver a blow on him directly, but she wouldn't be strong enough by herself; another power house assists with the finale blow.
You are wrong. Sukuna's sure hit protected only him and not anyone else and that's why Megumi got hit. Wow you guys! You guys missed the goal post by a mile with this one. Wouldn't expect anything less from Kayobreeze though, is that his name? Gojo is God to him. Never seen anyone as bias as that guy
Gojo *Demolishes* Heian Era Sukuna for many reasons 1:*Sukuna's fingers get stronger day by day so Sukuna now would be alot stronger than what he was in the past atleast by 300% and a WEAKENED SLASHED UP BASE GOJO kept up with Domain Amped Meguna which should be 200% stronger than his Base So Gojo here would firmly pummel Heian Era Sukuna in terms of physical stats* 2: *Gojo doesn't have to hold back since Sukuna isn't hijacking his students or someone he cares about so Sukuna is gonna be seeing the rainbow 🌈 with how much colours hes gonna be hit with🎢* 3: *Sukuna wouldn't have the dictionary he had in canon on Gojo and his abilities so he not only has to workout Limitless he simultaneously has to not die to Gojo while doing it which is😬 so he's getting pummeled to death* 4: *Sukuna doesn't have Domain Amplification here so Gojo's attacks are gonna be doing ALOT more damage since Sukuna in canon DID NOT want to get hit with Reversal Red, Azure Blue or Hollow Purple without it so if regular Red's and Blue's or low out Red's and Blue's can take chunks off Sukuna with Domain Amplification imagine without it☠️* 5: * Sukuna here wouldn't have the Ten Shadows to cover for him nor Megumi's soul to help him So he's screwed and is gonna lose heck he Gojo effectively won in Canon before plot came in⛷️* *Being real Sukuna aint even making it to the 3rd Domain clash heck he aint even making it to the 2nd clash since Gojo would kill him in the first one💨* Also great vid🔥 but its off *Strength*: *Gojo* (Gojo was pummeling Sukuna to such a point mans had to a pull a Kaisen and *JUMP* then camp and recover in the Shadows🚁) *Speed*: *Gojo* (pretty much is the fastest character in the series) *Durability*: *Sukuna* (I was gonna give it to Gojo but due to Sukuna being a curse object or a weird being he has really good durability although Gojo has a case for being more durable) *Intelligence*: *Gojo* ( dude's basically a super computer with a blindfold on) Battle IQ: *Gojo* (Gojo walked into the fight with Sukuna knowing little to no information on Meguna or the Upgraded Ten Shadows but Gojo still outplayed him) *Abilities*: *Gojo* (6️⃣👀 nuff said) *Hax*: *Gojo* (⤴️⬆️👆👍) *Experience*: *Sukuna* (obvious) *Curse Energy*: *Sukuna* (technically Gojo would have more but Sukuna literally has 2 times the amount of Yuta👾) *Cursed Technique*: *Gojo* (Limitless🏂) *Domain Expansion*: *Gojo* ( Gojo took Malevolent Shrine for a couple of minutes, Sukuna *DID NOT* want to get hit by Infinite Void for a couple of seconds) Reverse Curse Technique: *Sukuna* ( has probably the bwst in the series and if not its better than Gojo's) *Combat Speed*: *Gojo* ( Gojo was consistently blitzing Sukuna, Mahoraga and Agito *AT THE SAME TIME*) *Combat*: *Gojo* ( Gojo was making Sukuna look like he had no hands 🛸 and even when he got *JUMPED* he still was doing fine and even winning) *AP/DC*: *Gojo*(Hollow Purple blew apart a city and erases things so🚀🪂) Gojo pretty much clears low difficulty and im shocked this is even a debate when even *Sukuna* doesn't think he would've won Lmao🙃
dude when did Sukuna ever say he would not have won are you talking about when he was fighting with Gojo cause he never in his time of fighting Gojo stated that I have not read the new chapters but I would not think after Sukuna packed up Gojo would even say that. this sounds like an asspull.
Gojo dies in the first domain clash immediately after his domain is broken as he needed MAX RCT output to survive the slashes, the lightning cursed tool or a fire arrow on top of that with Sukuna's two extra arms would overwhelm his RCT and kill him.
do't forget that megumi sukuna was missing a finger so it is even more one sided, sukuna also can use the attack he use in 258-259 and hollow widow basket
Idk if u meant this, but Amplification also will allow sukuna to neutralize his blue fist, and his use of blue and red to push and pull constantly like he was doing in the canon, so gojo really doesnt have a chance of doing the dmg he needs to heian era sukuna within that 3 mins timeframe he needed, bc his punches wont even do the same amount of dmg, on top on sukuna being physically stronger
My guy this is really my opinion and we have a panel which literally proves our opinion. Remember the time when gojo tried to attack sukuna by making his clones with blue, sukuna easily stopped gojo's blue infused punches by activating domain amplification as the wheel turned black.
9:49 I'd say so, but in the fight, sukuna grabs gojo to avoid the sure hit, while having his da active, has he needed it to get pass infinity, so even though it makes sense for da to nullify the sure hit, since sakuna doesn't use it but goes for a way harder aproach that requires it to be active, I'd say it wouldn't work
That’s fair. Me personally I feel it’s in character for sukuna to go for riskier and more dangerous options. As gojo himself says in chap 228, where he wonders why sukuna didn’t destroy his domain from the inside after he flipped the conditions, and states that sukuna is playing it risky despite not having to
@@HeavyWeatherr This is true but wouldn't be if you and Kaiyo still believe that Sukuna's sure hit does not protect him and that Megumi was tanking it. Dunno why you and Kaiyo still think that after so many months
@@HeavyWeatherr yes, it's totally in character, but it's not like he wasn't using da. Also, I could remember wrong, but Sukuna did not break the insider because his sure hit was nullified, so he had nothing to use, as he also wanted to adapt with maho, which, again, I might not remember correctly, Is the reason why Gojo says Sukuna is playing risky, he didn't know he was using the ts to adapt
I have a question.. Why didn’t Sukuna simply reverse his domain condition so it destroyed Gojo’s domain from the inside instead of outside - after Gojo reversed his condition? I would think bc Sukuna wanted to. Disrespectfully “strip Gojo’s scales” but curious your thoughts?
Alot of reasons : 1. It was a completely new way of using domain expansion. 2. Gojo did it because he was countering, not the other way around. 3. It wouldn't even matter since malevolent shrine still reaches both in and out so he could chose to hit the inside if he wanted, it probably wouldn't matter since in the end sukuna destroyed the inverse barrier domain expansion anyways 4. I would expect sukuna having a hard time imagining his open domain that is already so big and just flipping the barriers inside out while casting it against gojo since just like the final domain clash, if gojo got the split second upperhand in launching domains while sukuna was imagining his domain reversibly, unlimited void would hit and it would be bad for sukuna
Just to bring up extra points, sukuna would not be fighting in a way to draw out his time spent in the domain for mahoragas benefit. This time when gojo saiys "why doesnt he attack from the inside?" Well this time he would and that would also shorten the time unlimited void is up. Secondly kayo said in base sukuna is probably cooked because he has no way past limitless but that not entirely true either. Sukuna can't use his technique while using amplification, but with his cursed tools he doesnt really need to. He actually still has a decent fight here too. Gojo would need to outlast sukunas punishment in the domains and also deal with his cursed tools. Also remember when kayo says purple traveled KM to get to sukuna so he had more time to react, in the manga its expained that the attack was being masked until it was pretty much in sukunas face.
Good points! What Kaiyo meant by base to base is taking domains out of the equation, so sukuna and gojo have no real way to put each other down, and gojo would prob just outlast him due to six eyes
One thing I'd like some clarification on is how Sukuna was able to bring out Mahoraga after he got hit by Infinite Void. It looked like he was completely brain dead and stun locked. The manga made it seemed like Mahoraga was called upon whilst Sukuna couldn't move. Is Sukuna just that guy or am I misinterpreting something?
lol no, Just by the title I disagree. The entire reason Gege made an actual fight between original Sukuna and Gojo ambiguous in the first place is because it would never be one sided. Assuming Heian era has NO prior knowledge of infinity and six eyes, doesn't do him any favors. Meguna gave Sukuna the edge over Gojo, that was reason for getting the ten shadows in the first place, you're literally arguing with the narrative itself lmao. Imo its 60/40 in favor for Gojo against heian era Sukuna unless he shows more. Vise versa, Meguna vs Gojo was 60/40 in Sukunas favor, it was very possible for gojo to win as it was stated multiple times that Sukuna was taking big risks in their confrontation just to get the win off.
I dont think chanting can increase ur domain's power because literally no one has done that and even if it was possible why wouldnt any of the characters who got domains just chant most of the time to try to kill quicker... Correct me if im wrong about this tho, furthermore If i just debunked the chant-domain thing wouldnt gojo just be tanking the same amount of dmg from shrine like he originally did and also now that this isnt megumi wouldnt gojo not have to care about killing sukuna since this is just heian era sukuna, theres lots of advantages to gojo so yk.
Yeah the domain thing was more of a possibility. The main argument is that since sukuna is physically stronger, he’d last at least 1 extra second inside the domains, meaning gojo’s would collapse first and he’d have to rct spam, eventually running out and dying
The first round of doman clash clarifies sukuna wins. If there is a normal dc then sukuna breaks gojo's domain and cuts him and then uses fuga to finish since gojo cannot use infinity exactly after dc.
Sukuna is his hien era ancient form is like 21fingers(20fingers+the body) so yes this will break the balance in the domain battle and Sukuna will win the domain battle immediately 😅
The whole foght was planned by Sukuna and he deliberately took the riskier option gambling his fight... He misread the last situation when gojo outsmart him in purple at last.. but he could have hid in the shadows if he wanted to buy he didn't... Idk why but that would have been better🤔🤔
Not sure why he keeps saying that sukuna is much stronger in his real body. Hes not stronger at all. He just has more arms. And can chant with his stomach. Makes him more versatile. Hes as strong as his 20 fingers. If theres any instance he gets hit with gojos domain he loses.
Sukuna’s base body being physically superior to megumi’s means with ce, he would be stronger. It’s like how if you give yuji and megumi the same ammount of ce, yuji would still be physically stronger since his base stats are higher
Heain Era Sukuna is said to b perfect by the narrator cuz when Kashimo saw Sukuna in his og Heian Era form, the narrator said that "what he saw, was perfection". Was Gojo's body ever called perfect by anyone? Heain Era Sukuna's body is so op that "for a socerer, there is no greater advantage"
Because Heian era Sukuna has shown much greater feats than Meguna. Blitzing Piercing Blood (Gojo can't) Blitzing his own Dismantles (Gojo can't) Jumping on air (Gojo can't) Being called by Yuji as the strongest sorcerer in history (not Gojo) Hakari himself admitted he was shitting his pants when he saw "that hulk" (never said this about a 5'7" Meguna) Stated by the fucking narrator to be absolute perfection in terms of jujutsu, so all his stats and CE output are greater than Meguna by an unquantifiable amount
"Sukana is a lot stronger" not really the case though is it? He was at 19 fingers and the mummy relic, which bumped him up to the 20 fingers equivalent. While also having the 10 shadows.
He was at 18 fingers and the mummy he ate gave him one finger's worth of CURSED ENERGY, not power. Also, the 10 Shadows is a technique, not a fucking stat boost. And it was a liability for Sukuna till the very end of the fight when Mahoraga adapted to Infinity for the second time.
i’m not a watcher or reader of jjk everything ik i saw thru the internet so it’s kinda disheartening seeing gojo(the coolest character in the series to me) get washed. from what i’ve seen he isn’t supposed to lose
Even a stronger opponent the blue enhanced attacks hurts regardless of how durable or strong you are. A jab is like a straight shot. So either way he would be able to load the pressure on him. His extra hands would give him trouble but he isn't getting manhandled like kashimo he has blue amp to break out. Don't compare gojo sataro to kashimo hajima not close to me
I think these fights would never convince me one way or another because 1. we know sukuna fingers are constantly collecting curse energy so he would have less in the heyan era. 2. We don’t know how do chants and rituals work with domains. It could just maintain the same level of output. Also we know the slashes aren’t stronger they are at their peak of output in the domain and gojo is at peak that you can naturally have. 3. When it comes to reinforcements they are at their best and I don’t think we have any evidence that ce reinforcements have it a multiplicative effect on physical power but an additional. And let’s just give the more faster and stronger card to sukuna. He would not treat gojo like Kashimo because of how well he handled the three on one with sukuna. That 3-1 is simply more difficult to handle than a guy faster and more limbed than you. They could not even keep gojo down and they were all keeping up with each other in speed and we know mahoraga is physically stronger than gojo and sukuna just tanking a black flash reinforced blue fist. I don’t believe this part does gojo justice. But maybe I am missing something
Good points, regardless I think we can all agree gojo cemented himself as the strongest sorcerer to exist within the 3 clans at least. His ancestor fought a 10 shadows user with his same abilities and everything, while the 10 shadows user didn’t have Mahoraga(megumi said no one had ever tamed Mahoraga when he first summons it) and gojos ancestor tied with the 10 shadows user. Now gojo folded Mahoraga, agito, and nearly killed sukuna, using the same kit as his ancestor. Gojo proved why he’s such a threat to the jujutsu world as a whole in that fight, even if he got bisected by a cheat code.
His hands weren’t collecting energy his hands were leaking CE over time because of the curse getting weaker 😂 swear people have zero reading compreheioms
One Mistake yall made regarding the domain clashes. If gojo and sukuna domain clashes and sukuna has to use domain amplification to nullify the sure hit, then he wouldn’t be able to use any techniques inside the domain. The effects of MS and UV will overlap and the fight inside the domain will go basically the same way because even if he has 4 arms; he can’t use any technique while Gojo can use blue red inside the domain to fight. Not saying sukuna wouldnt win but it would be a lot harder.
If Megumi was the reason Sukuna wasn't being hit by the void then he would have continued to protect himself using Megumi as a shield even after his domain had shattered. He was protected by his own sure hit. Also, Sukuna would have no reason to not just attack the weaker inside of Gojo's barrier since he has no Mahoraga to prolong the clashes for in this scenario. He'd just do what Gojo described after the third clash and target the inside instead of the reinforced outside. Gojo would just get destroyed here.
Heian Era Sukuna is weaker than Megkuna, the fingers got stronger over the years, the mummy he absorbed was implied to be worth more than one finger, he was leeching megumi's power, and it's likely that he learned Domain Amp from kenjaku in the one month time skip, meaning Heian Era sukuna wouldn't even be able to hit gojo, not to mention his extra hands and mouths wouldn't help his domain because a domain is always at its best due to requring chants and hand signs to make in the first place
Didin't Sukuna just transformed himself into multiple cursed objects which are the fingers, the way people kept telling Heian Era Sukuna "is more physically stronger has more overall power" is like saying, Sukuna just nerfed himself on purpose for no absolutely fucking reason, saying the heian era form is some sort of a dragon ball z transformation or his "PRIME" its been constantly implied throughout the series Sukuna will be back at his "Full power" once he gain all his fingers, granted there was one missing finger but Sukuna consumed his mummified heian era body, to make up for the lost. Its also been portrayed that whatever vessel Sukuna is in, his power remains constant, i can't imagine Sukuna being quote on quote extremely weak just because he got in an old hag for a vessel, if you do wish to imply Vessel's power is related to Sukuna's current power then the fact that Sukuna's power didin't really get any lower since heian era, the vessels will just add to that as a small portion of enchancement. "As for the extra arms and mouth" Mouth: Sukuna basically already have the ability to summon mouths on whatever part of his body so i don't see how just having a permanent mouth in his stomach would be more useful than what he can already do. Extra Arms: Just like how it is for Megumi, the 10 shadows surpasses its user on certain stats, and now mahoraga is even powered by Sukuna's cursed energy he is far more powerful than what he was when he was fighting Sukuna, it is evident that both Agito and Mahoraga did a better job at facing Gojo in hand to hand combat as Sukuna managed to get manhandled in his own domain not to mention, thats Gojo blitzing Sukuna while using reverse cursed technique at full throttle, and we all get to see the speed gap between Sukuna and Gojo after the domain clashes, as Gojo was fast enough to create multiple afterimages against Sukuna, and even went as far as fighting Sukuna along with 10 shadows and damage him again to the point that Sukuna needed to hide and heal while having Mahoraga and Agito fight Gojo since Sukuna couldn't even last a second in hand to hand combat (Obviously thats an exaggeration but you get the point theres a huge gap in speed and hand to hand combat between Gojo and Sukuna) to top it all up, Sukuna got oneshot into knockdown by one blackflash from Gojo, while Mahoraga easily tanked it, so i see 10 shadows as more useful than simply having extra arms. Sukuna's heian form isin't actually portrayed as some sort of super saiyan transformation, its more of a one time use only reverse cursed technique with the process being him needing to turn back to his original form to loosen some of the damage, Kashimo was basically just glazing just like Uraume does. as for Gojo's words, he stated Sukuna could "Probably" still beat him even without Megumi's CT. Which Sukuna later on invalidates by stating he needed Mahoraga to mentor him into bypassing Limitless, otherwise all of his shrine abilities are basically useless against Gojo forcing him into hand to hand combat (Domain Amp) both statements are basically just a testament to how much both of them respected each other, while in the long run its nothing but a blind estimation on Gojo's part because he got surprised by the new technique that could bypass his domain, and the fact that Sukuna wasn't able to use any of his abilities like Fuga made gojo think Sukuna was holding back while in reality, Sukuna was back and forth using binding vows just to keep up with Gojo's constant change of domain conditions, therefore not allowing Sukuna to prepare Fuga since he had to keep changing his domain conditions with binding vows. Domain Expansion is unusable at that point, since Sukuna still had brain damage and is nowhere near his full strength evident enough that Yuji and the heavy hitters are capable of keeping up with him, as Yuta stated, its only thanks to Gojo weakening him to this point that they are able to keep up. Basically... Heian Sukuna, Just as strong as he was in Megumi's body, but with extra arms and mouth which basically means Gojo is still far superior in speed and hand to hand combat, 10 shadows proved to be more useful than simply having extra arms since Mahoraga is like 2x or more extra powerful than Sukuna already in terms of physicality. the only reason Sukuna is afraid that Mahoraga will get oneshotted by Gojo is because unlike him, Mahoraga can't use Domain amplification to negate some of the damage, and once mahoraga sustains too much damage faster than he could adapt, he is dead dead, not only is Mahoraga physically more powerful than Sukuna when he is powered by Sukuna's cursed energy, he one by one renders each of every Gojo's abilities useless by the second. Conclusion: theres not much change in the physical comfrontation, unless we actually say oh yeah Sukuna is nerfed as Megumi so Heian Era body would be more physically strong yeah yeah yeah, then there still wouldn't be any difference as Gojo would make up for it with blue enchanced fist and his speed and skills capable of always catching Sukuna offguard similar to how Gojo Blitz Sukuna so hard inside the domain that Sukuna is dumbfounded about the speed before being blasted by red along with his shrine. any of the shrine abilities would not be able to travel Infinite distance so Fuga and any of the shrines ability would be meaningless against Gojo, so Domain expansion and Domain amp would be the only thing Sukuna could use. Sukuna wouldn't be having the full scope of knowledge he have of Gojo's ability like he did in the original fight, which means, Sukuna wouldn't know the fact that he wouldn't be affected by the unlimited void sure hit effect if he simply make contact with Gojo as it is what he saw when Gojo showed it to Yuji, not to mention, Sukuna wouldn't even fucking know about Gojo's infinity so he would most likely just get caught in it if we are talking about Heian Era Sukuna with no knowledge of Gojo Satoru's abilities. the only thing i could see Sukuna doing is if Gege wrote some stuffs about his weapons that has literally thousands of binding vows on it, to be able to warp space and time or shit just to bypass infinity's conceptual barrier, the further you go the more distance between you and Gojo are meaning you will progressively get slower the closer you get to him. as for your assumption of Sukuna just gaining more of his previous power is what the writing meant by "Sukuna's fingers are gaining more power as time pass on" your ignoring the fact that Sukuna and every statements in the series point to the conclusion of "once Sukuna regain all his fingers he will regain his former glory and power" which heavily points out your assumption is extremely wrong. the only wincon Sukuna will have is if his weapons will do the work for him. other than that Sukuna is basically stripped off most of his abilities, far weaker than he currently is with 10 shadows, and less versatile since 10 shadows already provides him the leverage of being able to chant while the shadows who's physically superior than him fight and hold down his opponent far better than his four arms extra mouth body of his, it also gives him the leverage to take time on healing and observing his enemy.
The thing is If Sukuna Domain doesn't Nullify Unlimited Void sure hit for himself he would lose the 1st Clash because he would be stunned before he could activate DA because he shouldn't be able to open his Domain with DA on which mean UV would stun Sukuna before he can counter like in their Final Domain Clash but even if he does use DA in time it is reasonable to assume that DA is not much better then Simple Domain at canceling Sure hits which means if Sukuna doesn't break Gojo Domain extremely quickly he would be hit with Unlimited Void. It would be like if Gojo only had Simple Domain with no RCT he can survive but once it goes down he has nothing to switch to in order for it to create a loop of him surviving the Sure hit. Without Megumi Sukuna only has 1 tool against Gojo Sure hit and when it breaks he probably dies. But if you assume Sukuna only takes a little bit of UV each time then they either 1.Tie all their clashes and Gojo wins the non Domain battle 2.Sukuna hadn't accumulated enough brain damage and Gojo loses after his 5th Domain 3. Sukuna accumulated enough Brain Damage and Gojo wins the non Domain fight 4.Sukana loses any of the Domain clashes and dies 5.Gojo loses Domain clash and dies due to stronger Malevolent Shrine
Jeez... chants don't do anything for domains❗😂 When have we ever seen that!?☠️ They only use binding vows to utter the conditions of their domains...not chants Y'all assumptions are ass❗
Sukuna could just change the conditions of his domain to include himself atleast until gojos is destroyed but idk if hed figure to do that at the start
This is exactly why kept saying through the hole fight that not reveling skuna CT going to be problematic because it would open huge door for for speculations. BUT if skuna shrine can go through infinite GG gojo
The thing about that everything except himself statement is, Wouldnt that mean both souls should have been hit by it, But we saw that Sukunas soul wasnt hit only Megumis.
Honestly i think his teleport cannot go past the barrier, even if its open Its still a separate space And his teleport is just gojo creating negative distance in space The barrier of the domain also stops all the surehit slashes from going beyond the barrier despite those being projectiles so.. Makes sense that u might not be able to send ce trough the edge and might need to physical go trough it
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Hi Guys please respond I’ve Got a 3 counter arguments
1 . Sakuna going into the fight had no method of victory or a method to cut through “gojos scales” as he needed a blueprint in Mahoraga as any of his other CT’s Like The Flame Arrow Wouldn’t Pierce Infinity 10 Shadows and cleave and dismantles properties were the only viable option
2 . in hand to hand combat gojo fought Sakuna Mahoraga & Agito with limitless not on for the majority That’s 6 hands his cursed tool would be nullified by gojos ct output like hakari and Kashimo four hands wouldn’t change anything heian era Sakuna is currently so strong cause of Mahoraga teaching him something he wouldn’t have learned
3. why would heian era Sakunas domain be stronger ?gojo stated his ct is superior to Sakunas as he could heal all the damage Sakuna is at more of a Disadvantage using domain amplification while burdening The void if gojo was able to pierce his heart Sakuna would have no revival plan his CE would run out eventually gojos wouldn’t
Sakuna was saved in the domain battle from being killed by Mahoraga he was beat in the physical battle and KO’d but yet again gojo could not Capitalise cause Mahoraga saved him and was beaten by gojos creativity with his technique none of Sakunas abilities would work so why would he show them or reveal them domain amplification is not a solution to killing gojo even if they stalemated and both lost the ability to use domains Sakuna would be fucked against infinity
@@killme1389 thanks for watching the video! For ur arguments, 1. Sukuna’s other ct would be able to reach gojo inside malevolent shrine, and that’s our main argument in the video, that gojo would either lose or get stalled by sukuna until the 5th de clash, where he would no longer be able to de and would be caught in malevolent shrine. Since his rct would be much worse than in the 1st clash, he wouldn’t be able to heal through malevolent shrine while fightning sukuna and would probably die.
2. Again, when we talked about cursed tools we meant in the context that they’re inside the domain. 4 hand’s definitely help in a h2h battle, even if you think it’s a small help, it’s still an advantage. The only reason gojo managed to fight sukuna, agito, and mahoraga is because he was amped by black flashes, but pre black flash gojo is relative to megumi body sukuna in terms of h2h. Also as for the “sukuna is only this strong because of mahoraga” statement, the only thing mahoraga gave sukuna was the space slash, which we make no mention of in the video.
3. The domain being stronger was more of a possibility, so my bad if I didn’t make that clear. The thing is it doesn’t really change the outcome. Our main argument is that since sukuna in megumi’s body and gojo both had their domains collapsing simultaneously, it means even if we make sukuna like 1% stronger (extra arms, chants, cursed tools, sings) it’s means he’d be able to stall out gojo for at least a second, which would mean unlike in the original fight where both gojo and sukuna’s domains collapsed simultaneously, this time gojo’s would collapse first and he’d be caught in malevolent shrine. Then after the 5th clash, just like in the main fight, gojo wouldn’t be able to de anymore
I think people forget that even though having good efficiency means your cursed energy drops extremely slowly, both gojos and sukunas outputs dropped by a lot over the course of the fight due to them spamming so many high-level attacks. The point is, efficiency doesn't matter, as the output will just drop regardless if you decide to use a lot of powerful techniques. People mistakenly assume gojo can just fight at peak performance forever, simply due to the six eyes when that got disproven by this fight
Thing is gojo was fighting above peak proformance (being he was spamming domain expansion )
While he can't fight at peak performance forever, he can recover incredibly quick
i think you seem to have misunderstood the fight, Gojo's output remained the same, same for Sukuna (kinda, since he does use a small amount of CE unlike Gojo who uses basically 0), what does drop is RCT specifically, so blue, dismantle, Cleave and infinity would always be at full power, the only thing that they do lose is RCT, they heal slower and red is less powerfull, however, Gojo can slightly recover this by chanting the lines to enchance red or hit a black flash (this applies to Sukuna as well).
all of this is due to RCT coming from the brain by transforming regular CE into RCE, but the more a sorcerer uses it, the less they can produce, unless they regain it some way. but neither of them were ever at risk of having no CE left.
The thing is, the only reason gojos cursed output decreased was actually just because of spamming his domain, realistically he can spam any other technique it’s just that’d domain comes from the Brian
@@rockargen9591I’m pretty rct drains ce just like normal curse technique use, the only difference is it costs a lot more it’s like multiplying 2 negatives, im pretty sure the reason both of them were burnt out is because they both used a ton of ce (ino even said during the fight that the saying that Gojo never runs out of ce due to 6 eyes is based on the assumption that he’s using a normal amount of ce) and on top of all the domain expansions, healing with rct, using reversal red, lapse blue and hollow purple which is HUGE ce output he even figured out how to refill his ct after burnout from opening his domain. Sukuna has the biggest ce reserve along w amazing efficiency, Gojo has a good amount of ce reserves and he has AMAZING efficiency and stamina due to the 6 eyes, so imo they’re pretty evenly matched in that regard.
The points you both made with Sukuna’s extra arms and mouth to chant/ use hand signs to boost his domain is huge, esp when the domain clashes were already so close to begin with
Yeah Kashimo pointed out Sukuna was like a perfect devine sorcerer lol 😂 Gege is a huge simp
I don’t think that’s how it works. I’m pretty sure the domain hand sign plus saying domain expansion are the chants and hand signs needed to boost. it’s the height of jujutsu for a reason
@@frost5462 this is valid too. 100% not confirmed but can’t discount the idea!
@frost5462 pretty sure domains already are 120% since you always have to do hand sign and chant "domain expansion *name*"
@@frost5462You’re forgetting that CTs are a part of the domain. Sukuna amping his domain would just be him amping the cleave and dismantle slashes. It’s no different than Gojo using UV then doing using Red with incantation. All Sukuna would have to do is chant the required incantation for his slashes either before or right after opening his domain (before the slashes start). And since he has 4 arms and 2 mouths, he can easily do the chant and handsigns for his domain while also doing the chant and handsigns needed to amp the slashes.
Little correction: The part about Megumin tanking the sure hit, is just Gege playing a linguist. In reality, what is meant is that during those clashes, Sukuna himself was not the one getting hit, but Megumin was. Meaning Sukuna purposefully offset his surehit from Megumin's soul, therefore leaving it unprotected, thats what is actually meant by "everyone but himself", himself being Megumin. It wouldnt make sense for MS not to protect Sukuna as that would be counterproductive in a domain clash, even if he does have domain amplification
That being said, the main point remains the same, without the need for adaptation burdening Sukuna, he has the free use of his full body, his CTs, his tools and most importantly domain amplification. The last one is the most important one, because that allows Sukuna to breach the 0,01 second gap in the opening of the last domain since he doesnt only have to defend anymore. Since Sukuna couldnt possibly get caught in UV, Gojo would innevitably die after Sukuna closes his barrier.
Even if Sukuna didn't need to adapt though, Sukuna still would have to do all the same things just to make sure Gojo's domain collapsed after the first one.
For example: After Gojo reversed the domain conditions, Sukuna had to turn off sure hit in exchange for more damage by Shrine, because he can't use his cursed technique inside, since he has to use domain amplification to hit Gojo (sure hits in domains cancel, so Gojo's infinity is still active).
Sukuna did the binding vow midway through that round, so second round, when Gojo shrunk the domain, Sukuna's binding vow for more damage barely let him break Gojo's domain in time, when he turned it on immediately.
Yes, he did have to take damage in order to let Mahoraga adapt, but that was happening passively. He would have to act in the same way even if he didn't need to adapt. As a result, he'd still get hit with the 0.01 second Unlimited void, get flashbanged by information, get stunned, and still get K.O'd in a domain clash.
@SupremeWaffle2021 not true. Sukuna actually had multiple ways of breaking Gojo's domain during the second domain
1. Just wait until the barrier collapsed. An inverted barrier IS stronger, but not unbreakable
2. He could do the same move, use domain amp and break the domain from outside
3. Because the barrier was reversed, Sukuna could have easily broken the domain from inside with CTs. Domains don't cancel techniques, you can still use them
The adaptation was not passive, the adaptation MADE Sukuna passive. Due to the adaptation process, Sukuna literally wasn't allowed to hit Gojo back. During every domain clash post second domain, its only Sukuna defending, never attacking. Something even Gojo starts questioning, so does the narrator until Sukuna explains it himself. So no, Gojo can't possibly hit Sukuna with UV when he us facing a physically supperior Sukuna that doesn't have his hands tied due to TST
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1. Yeah, the domain would eventually collapse, but the thing is, Gojo would probably be able to deal enough damage in time to collapse Shrine if he doesn't take action.
2. He can't break the domain from inside with domain amplification, since Sukuna would be busy trying to make sure Gojo doesn't kill him in the meanwhile.
3. Sukuna can't use his techniques while inside Gojo's domain. I mean, he can, but it's not safe, since then he can't touch Gojo himself, and Gojo can easily cause Shrine to collapse by damaging him then.
Also, what do you mean Sukuna wasn't allowed to hit Gojo back? He was definitely able to. Sukuna literally used domain amplification to hit Gojo. He needed it too, since Gojo's sure hit meant that Gojo's infinity couldn't be bypassed.
@@SupremeWaffle2021sukuna wasn't able to use his techniques cause he was already using the wheel he stated in chp 230 he can't use DA amd his own ct while using the wheel
@@Goatkuna236 You can't use domain amplification and innate technique together regardless of the wheel.
I feel like the fight between Gojo vs. Sukuna we got in the manga just cemented the titles they both had since the start of the series. Gojo the strongest of the modern era and Sukuna the strongest in history. Gojo overcame Mahoraga and the 10S in its entirety, making the Gojo clan the strongest of the Big 3 Clans in the modern era. However, he couldn’t beat the duo of Sukuna + Gege. But seriously though, Gojo just couldn’t overcome Sukuna’s numerous schemes.
It is kinda lame ya know to give Sukuna's credit on Gege. It is also kinda indirectly insulting Gege too. Just because he killed your fav doesn't make him a bad writer and doesn't make Sukuna a bad villain. Sukuna's plan was well explained but I still don't know how Gojo doesn't have any knowledge of Sukuna's CT. Gojo never was that guy.
@@GigaNiga483 meant it as a joke. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.
@@THED3ADLY7The duo Sukuna+Gege 😅 you're an idiot 😂😂😂 Gege really was on Gojo's side making the fight last longer Sukuna should've ended Gojo when he lost the first domain battle Gojo shouldnt be able to use RCT to recover his burned CT it was just a plot to save Gojo, so yes Gege was in Gojo's favor
Sukuna and Gojo are well above and out of everyones league but as Kashimo pointed out Sukuna is made to be unrivaled, experienced combatant strategist knowledge of CE CT base stats 4 arm weapons incantations. Sukuna IS the calamity. For Gojo to last as long as he did and done a good chunk of damage disabling DE usage, that say alot. Shame, I did hope to have seen four arm Sukuna against Gojo and how he would try to counter him but alas Gege sad no.
@@SemekiIzuiogege had to make it competitive after all
We can't ignore the fact that many ancient sorcerers admited that sukuna is the best
First: Kenjako he said without a doubt that sukuna ia the strongest and he made him as a counter for Gojo, knowing that Kenjako never underestimates people and we saw it when he admits not being powerful enough to beat Gojo and also not underestimating Yuki and calling her a beast
Second: Kashimo saying that sukuna has the best usage of cursed energy and calling his four arms form perfection and its speed was faster than Kashimo's speed even when kashimo's form is that fastest since he sacrificed his life for it
As I see now Sukuna would most like win but we still dont even know what Sukuna's true technique is. Hope Gege reveals soon.
Sukuna was interested in Higuruma's Death Penalty sword as of the latest chapter in JJK. I bet that the reason for that is that it has something to do with Sukuna's CT. So, maybe Sukuna's CT allows him to take and store the CT of others once certain conditions are met🤷♂
Probably kitchen, he can cut and make fire
Prediction: Since JJK takes heavy inspiration from HxH, Sukunas ct will be like Chrollos Nen ability
Bro think he all for one 🤣
@@Nick-bv1ycI am willing to bet he doesn’t want it because he seems like the kind of character to find court cases boring and that is off putting enough for him to not want it. Unless his technique allows him to steal specific parts of the technique such as only the sword instead of the entire cursed technique as a whole
Gege HIMSELF could make a tweet about how sukuna in his original form would smoke gojo and stans would still argue, shit just makes no sense
I lowkey feel like Gege purposely left it unanswered so the 2 sides will keep arguing to keep the popularity up
Hollow Purple wouldn’t work. Gojo himself said it would take too long to use against Sukana. Especially since Sukana would be able to sense the huge spike in CE. Even then through using domain amplification, having more CE, and having a more durable damage he most likely could block it. Which isn’t out of the question since Sukana has blocked it before and took the unlimited purple.
Also, Sukuna can destroy Red with a Dismantle pretty easy, as it is faster and prob much stronger than a Piercing Flood... + Maybe Gojo's Blue can't attract the slashes, so... Also no Red unless Gojo does a surprise attack
One purple...yes..❗
Two or three would atomize Sukuna bro☠️
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reading comprehension
@@unanimouslyhated Don't even know if you're on my side or against me lil bro...
Speak clearly or stay out of this☠️
@@osas2kul I said that because you said that 3 purples could kill heian sukuna, but completely ignoring the reasons they stated on why he couldn’t get one off
It’s also implied by Gojo in the afterlife that Sukuna, if Gojo pushes him for a while, that Sukuna might eventually learn space slash by himself. It’s just that in the Heian era he had no one to push him far enough. He also said that Mahoraga was the perfect model to help him learn, that doesn’t mean that he couldn’t learn it. This is very heavy assumption bordering on head canon
I low-key agree with you. Sukuna said without mahoraga, it’d be near impossible to cut through space. “Near impossible” not “impossible” implies it’d be extremely difficult but he might be able to do so given enough time
Yes and ppl always miss this point.
@@HeavyWeatherrbut he would of never thought about it
@@beanhead5398 He would have definitely thought of it. Saying Sukuna would never have thought of it is an insult to his intelligence. Which is superior to Gojo’s intellect(not saying Gojo isn’t smart, relax).
Think of it like this: On a math test you come across a long division problem, like…47/5. You have access to a calculator & there are no rules against the calculator. Would you rather spend minutes & minutes doing the long division or just use the calculator?(Let’s say you know math very well). Marohaga was sukuna’s calculator, or google if that’s easier for you. Math = Jujustu.
Marohaga was simply the better choice for learning the slash & sukuna had access to it so why not?
That whole dialogue was Gege's way of apolgizing for off screening Gojo honestly. Got Gojo having the upperhand the whole fight just for him to be killed after " winning " so he had to let Gojo admit that he wasn't good enough to beat Sukuna for his death not to feel like some bs.
The thing about the megumi taking the brunt thing is that im pretty sure thats a mistranslation or false, im pretty sure what was said there is that Sukuna actually chose to not protect megumi with his surehit. Ontop of this i’d also like to add that even if Sukuna didnt want to use his surehit on himself as shown in the fight he could likely just do so anyway since its not like hes hitting himself or smthn
Yeah i dunno why so many people get confused by this, including youtubers. Of course Sukuna's sure hit is protecting him otherwise why would Sukuna get hit with UV after his domain collapses? Megumi is still there to tank the hit even if his domain collapses. Megumi simply took on the adaptation process.
@@edwardirwin3478yeah that's true ,
The most correct explanation is that sukuna took off the sure hit effect of his malevolent shrine from megumi's soul , therefore megumi would be only affected by infinite void since he wouldn't be protected by MS so he could adapt to unlimited void
1 theory that i have is that sukuna in the entire fight used cleave twice, when he shot it like a spirit gun and gojo didnt react to it because he couldnt same as when mahoraga took his arm and the 2nd time sukuna used cleave is when he killed gojo. What i am trying to say is that gojo did not took the full power of MS but only took dismantle attacks since cleave addapts to CE potency of the opponent and Sukuna has like 3x Gojo CE and probably either same output or higher.
The issue with using purple at close range is that sukuna can "see" the "sparks" of ce. There's no way he's just going to watch unless he wanted to tank it.
I agree!
He was able to stop Gojo from doing it only because he had Mahoraga and Agito keeping him busy, there is no way he'd be able to prevent Gojo from using it during the entire fight in a fair one versus one, it's not like it takes hours to charge it, that's why he told us that a point blank shot would have killed him and was so scared about it, because he knew that even with Mahoraga and Agito he might would have been able to pull it off, if it was something that he could prevent by himself, then that entire internal monologue would make zero sense, why would you think about how a point blank hollow purple would kill you if you're sure that it will never happen? He specifically fought to make sure Gojo wouldn't be able to do it, again thanks to Mahoraga and Agito, but in a 1v1 Gojo definitely would be able to use it, what would happen after just depends on what Gege wants to write.
@@Hikari12217 If it was that easy he would simply have done it before Maho and Agito came out. Purple is similar to the world slashes in that they both take long enough to charge up that the opponent can rush them and force them into hand to hand before they can fire the technique off. It's why Gojo chose to fire both blue and red individually to make purple because even that was faster than charging up purple itself.
@@edwardirwin3478 Gojo was trying to kill Sukuna, but leave enough to bring back Megumi, if he had killed Sukuna with a purple then there would be nothing left of Megumi, so he wasnt going to just spam HP, he only decided to use it after Mahoraga adapted completely to blue and half adapted to red, otherwise he couldnt kill Mahoraga, and seeing how Sukuna survived when he himself said a purple would probably kill him, its pretty clear Gojo made it an unlimited Hollow purple in orther for it to kill Mahoraga, but not desintegrate Megumi's body.
@@rockargen9591 Firing off the strongest hollow purple he's ever fired at the beginning of the fight goes against this theory.
People tends to forget that sukuna didn't just want to kill gojo but to also improve his cleave ability..... And to do that he need maho to adopt to gojo's ability and for that sukuna need to get hit with gojo's ability and that was the whole plan.... But in hein era form he will go with the intend to just kill gojo
except he cant..
@@Kyuubey0406 did you even watch the video🤓
It irks me that people ignore this fact in this discussion
is it stated anywhere? what you are claiming
@@nirbanjyotidas5828this one video doesnt determine anything that isn't cannonical
It wasn’t a couple kms, it was point blank that Sukuna reacted to purple. It was stated by the narrator that while he sense gojo he miss read and had to react last second (probably due to ijichi hiding the purple)
Purple is insanely
The fact that people really got mad for Gojo losing, while Sukuna has over a thousand years of experience, lived in a more gruesome era and has showed an aptitude for learning new things. Throughout the whole fight you could the see massive gap in experience there was between Gojo and Sukuna.
It was never about who's stronger, it was about a good loving teacher Gojo respected as strongest now to defeat an evil psychopathic mass murder sukuna feared as strongest in history, Gojo has righteous causes and actions and sukuna has evil intentions and even worse deeds, it would be poetic justice for Gojo to win or atleast be a hailmary draw with the fight being interrupted like how every other jjk fight goes but Gege had different plans
and also because Sukuna violated the "1v1" that was most anticipated
what an absolute cook🔥 I wonder what trophy sukuna was going for fighting gojo on master difficulty in Legumis bum ass body
bro got nothing to prove he’s already the strongest
Lmao sukuna was rlly trying to clear an rpg solo only playing as the healer😭
Bro was gonna ask Uraume to cook Gojo if he wasnt busy with Kashimo and the others
When Sukuna said he anticipated Mahoraga's slash before hand and without Mahoraga it would be very difficult for him it was already over for Gojo. Sukuna with given time can learn reality cutting slash on his own.
It’s possible he could, but I’d doubt he’d get the chance to in a fight with Gojo without an amazing model like Mahoraga
If Sukuna didn’t have 10s, He would’ve died in the domain clash when UV hit. That would’ve been it. Mahoraga saved him there. Without him, Gojo would’ve won. Sukuna wouldn’t have outlasted Gojo without Mahoraga. Sure, he COULD learn the space slash, but would he survive long enough to? UV is completely deadly if it takes effect. Gg’s on Sukuna for surprising Gojo and winning, but he wouldn’t have lasted without Mahoraga
Sukuna only got hit by UV because of the 10s. Sukuna was taking riskier options and even Gojo was questioning about it. He wanted to adapt. Without Mahoraga Sukuna would most likely never take those riskier options.
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@@alexstrittmatter4120 You make it seem like he would fight as recklessly as he did if he didn't have mahoraga... The first domain clash would probably be wraps for Gojo if sukuna has his heian era form... Even Gojo says as much that sukuna was fighting wayyy to defensively.. or if any domain fight he would lose
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From what I understood about the Domain Clashes and their Sure-Hit effects is that Sukuna (Megumi’s Soul) was tanking Unlimited Void as the Sure-Hit effect of Malevolent Shrine did not include Sukuna (Megumi’s Body).
In that case, Sukuna would still be effected by UV regardless of his Domain being opened and lose or at least be close enough to death to give Gojo the upper hand for when Gojo heals his technique after his Domain Expansion Barrier crashes.
Thanks for watching! :)
Also at 8:40 I meant benefit of the doubt that gojo survives all the clashes* 🥸
I just want to make a few corrections.
1. chants can't improve domain sure hits and stuff (they only effect technique output, definitely not sure hit)
2. Sukuna never got hit by any of UV's attacks, since he was using domain amplification.
3. The domain clashes would still go the same way.
4. Domain sure hits aren't variable values. They're more like boolean. Either 1 or 0. If both have sure hit on, they cancel. Same applies for domain amplification. It's completely cancel the sure hit.
Let me explain.
To understand what really happened, first, I have to go over the clashes in domains.
First, they both opened domains, and Gojo's domain fell. pretty simple.
Next, Gojo inverted domain conditions. This usually wouldn't be a problem for Sukuna, but since Gojo's infinity is still active (the sure hits cancel out), Sukuna needs domain amplification, or else Gojo can easily damage him while he's not able to hit Gojo. As a result, Sukuna turns off his sure hit (he's protected by domain amplification), in exchange for more damage midway through the domain clash. This allowed him to break the domain with Malevolent Shrine.
In the third clash, Gojo shrinks down Void, and Sukuna immediately does the binding vow thing. This leads to another simultaneous end.
Then, either one or two domain clashes later. Gojo manages to do extra damage against Sukuna, forcing him to heal. Whether this happens or not is debatable, especially because current Sukuna has more cursed energy than Heian Sukuna, as they've been absorbing negative energy since being sealed. This results in either a tie, or Gojo winning if he damages Sukuna.
However, there is still a chance that Sukuna didn't know about domain amplification as well, in which case, he's basically screwed over by the time Gojo inverts his domain conditions, because he needs sure hit to be active.
@@SupremeWaffle2021 also the fact that Sukuna wouldn't be knowing any of Gojo's abilities in this case, since we are talking about the heian Sukuna, huge chance Sukuna would just get caught in infinity after he tried to attack Gojo, and second he wouldn't be able to strategize as he did in the original fight, no megumi to tank unlimited void, and no knowledge about the fact that if makes physical contact with Gojo he wouldn't be affected by the sure hit effect.
@@Luz10234 Didin't Sukuna just transformed himself into multiple cursed objects which are the fingers, the way people kept telling Heian Era Sukuna "is more physically stronger has more overall power" is like saying, Sukuna just nerfed himself on purpose for no absolutely fucking reason, saying the heian era form is some sort of a dragon ball z transformation or his "PRIME"
its been constantly implied throughout the series Sukuna will be back at his "Full power" once he gain all his fingers, granted there was one missing finger but Sukuna consumed his mummified heian era body, to make up for the lost.
Its also been portrayed that whatever vessel Sukuna is in, his power remains constant, i can't imagine Sukuna being quote on quote extremely weak just because he got in an old hag for a vessel, if you do wish to imply Vessel's power is related to Sukuna's current power then the fact that Sukuna's power didin't really get any lower since heian era, the vessels will just add to that as a small portion of enchancement.
"As for the extra arms and mouth"
Mouth: Sukuna basically already have the ability to summon mouths on whatever part of his body so i don't see how just having a permanent mouth in his stomach would be more useful than what he can already do.
Extra Arms: Just like how it is for Megumi, the 10 shadows surpasses its user on certain stats, and now mahoraga is even powered by Sukuna's cursed energy he is far more powerful than what he was when he was fighting Sukuna, it is evident that both Agito and Mahoraga did a better job at facing Gojo in hand to hand combat as Sukuna managed to get manhandled in his own domain not to mention, thats Gojo blitzing Sukuna while using reverse cursed technique at full throttle, and we all get to see the speed gap between Sukuna and Gojo after the domain clashes, as Gojo was fast enough to create multiple afterimages against Sukuna, and even went as far as fighting Sukuna along with 10 shadows and damage him again to the point that Sukuna needed to hide and heal while having Mahoraga and Agito fight Gojo since Sukuna couldn't even last a second in hand to hand combat (Obviously thats an exaggeration but you get the point theres a huge gap in speed and hand to hand combat between Gojo and Sukuna) to top it all up, Sukuna got oneshot into knockdown by one blackflash from Gojo, while Mahoraga easily tanked it, so i see 10 shadows as more useful than simply having extra arms.
Sukuna's heian form isin't actually portrayed as some sort of super saiyan transformation, its more of a one time use only reverse cursed technique with the process being him needing to turn back to his original form to loosen some of the damage, Kashimo was basically just glazing just like Uraume does.
as for Gojo's words, he stated Sukuna could "Probably" still beat him even without Megumi's CT.
Which Sukuna later on invalidates by stating he needed Mahoraga to mentor him into bypassing Limitless, otherwise all of his shrine abilities are basically useless against Gojo forcing him into hand to hand combat (Domain Amp)
both statements are basically just a testament to how much both of them respected each other, while in the long run its nothing but a blind estimation on Gojo's part because he got surprised by the new technique that could bypass his domain, and the fact that Sukuna wasn't able to use any of his abilities like Fuga made gojo think Sukuna was holding back while in reality, Sukuna was back and forth using binding vows just to keep up with Gojo's constant change of domain conditions, therefore not allowing Sukuna to prepare Fuga since he had to keep changing his domain conditions with binding vows.
Domain Expansion is unusable at that point, since Sukuna still had brain damage and is nowhere near his full strength evident enough that Yuji and the heavy hitters are capable of keeping up with him, as Yuta stated, its only thanks to Gojo weakening him to this point that they are able to keep up.
Basically...
Heian Sukuna, Just as strong as he was in Megumi's body, but with extra arms and mouth which basically means Gojo is still far superior in speed and hand to hand combat, 10 shadows proved to be more useful than simply having extra arms since Mahoraga is like 2x or more extra powerful than Sukuna already in terms of physicality.
the only reason Sukuna is afraid that Mahoraga will get oneshotted by Gojo is because unlike him, Mahoraga can't use Domain amplification to negate some of the damage, and once mahoraga sustains too much damage faster than he could adapt, he is dead dead, not only is Mahoraga physically more powerful than Sukuna when he is powered by Sukuna's cursed energy, he one by one renders each of every Gojo's abilities useless by the second.
Conclusion:
theres not much change in the physical comfrontation, unless we actually say oh yeah Sukuna is nerfed as Megumi so Heian Era body would be more physically strong yeah yeah yeah, then there still wouldn't be any difference as Gojo would make up for it with blue enchanced fist and his speed and skills capable of always catching Sukuna offguard similar to how Gojo Blitz Sukuna so hard inside the domain that Sukuna is dumbfounded about the speed before being blasted by red along with his shrine.
any of the shrine abilities would not be able to travel Infinite distance so Fuga and any of the shrines ability would be meaningless against Gojo, so Domain expansion and Domain amp would be the only thing Sukuna could use.
Sukuna wouldn't be having the full scope of knowledge he have of Gojo's ability like he did in the original fight, which means, Sukuna wouldn't know the fact that he wouldn't be affected by the unlimited void sure hit effect if he simply make contact with Gojo as it is what he saw when Gojo showed it to Yuji, not to mention, Sukuna wouldn't even fucking know about Gojo's infinity so he would most likely just get caught in it if we are talking about Heian Era Sukuna with no knowledge of Gojo Satoru's abilities.
the only thing i could see Sukuna doing is if Gege wrote some stuffs about his weapons that has literally thousands of binding vows on it, to be able to warp space and time or shit just to bypass infinity's conceptual barrier, the further you go the more distance between you and Gojo are meaning you will progressively get slower the closer you get to him.
as for your assumption of Sukuna just gaining more of his previous power is what the writing meant by "Sukuna's fingers are gaining more power as time pass on"
your ignoring the fact that Sukuna and every statements in the series point to the conclusion of "once Sukuna regain all his fingers he will regain his former glory and power"
which heavily points out your assumption is extremely wrong.
the only wincon Sukuna will have is if his weapons will do the work for him.
other than that Sukuna is basically stripped off most of his abilities, far weaker than he currently is with 10 shadows, and less versatile since 10 shadows already provides him the leverage of being able to chant while the shadows who's physically superior than him fight and hold down his opponent far better than his four arms extra mouth body of his, it also gives him the leverage to take time on healing and observing his enemy.
@@midori8807 man....
thats long, i'm too lazy to read.
wait, why do i see you everywhere.
Realistically speaking Gojo is getting bodied in the first clash....The only reason he survived against Megumi sukuna was because he was able to deal enough damage to sukuna to close the shrine but with sukuna being much stronger and getting amped by hands and mouth he'll simply beat gojo to death while the shrine slashes him apart
Blue makes it impossible for Gojo to get bodied.
@@khulmach9662 how ?
Bro is onto nothing
The video legit had to clarify if gojo's unlimited void is nerfed and sukuna's domain amplification does work against it. But we all know domain amplification only disables cursed technique and help him get in touch with gojo to prevent the uv hit.
@@blackfriezaonyocrib.4418dude we literally put up data book statements and translations that support it 9:50 😭
@@apaarsharma8143 teleportation.
Sukuna's surehit does protect him , sukuna just didn't protect megumi for adaptation.
Ikr
About Gojo's lasting more with his six eyes, I don't think that would happen tbh
First its pretty much stated that not only Sukuna has refined CE and DE but he has at least double the CE that Yuta has
Second Gojo during his fight with Sukuna was low on CE despite his six eyes minimal usage and that's because how much he used RCT to heal non stop to survive Sukuna's slashes and heal his brain, that's why he wasn't able to one shot Maho with red and needed incantions to use blue and red before the Black Flashes
Also Gojo wincon with HP at close range is really bad, since yes HP is fast but it takes a time to do the ritual for it, time he doesn't have to do in the middle of the fight that's the main reason Gojo pull that 200iq move on Sukuna to land that nuke HP in the first place
Gojo's only wincon is to hit Sukuna with UV and than use HP but there's a very low chance it lands because how strong Sukuna gets in his true form and how he can push Gojo more in the Domain battle like you guys mention
Firstly, during the start of the battle itself, gojo would recognize that heian sukuna is strong in hand to hand combats, and hence start to plan ahead for other strategies. I think gojo resorted to shrinking his domain/making outer barrier strong just because he knew he was superior in hand to hand combat vs meguna. When he faces heian era sukuna, he would have just analysed how open barrier works the first time he sees it. Then gojo would also cast an open domain. Idk why no one thought gojo is capable of learning this. It is stated that gojo can do anything. Against meguna, he didn't try the open domain, because he knew he can beat domain clash without it.
So it wouldnt take 5 domain clashes at all, the second domain itself will be tied as both will be open barriered. Since outside domain, sukuna has no option to bypass infinity, he would struggle.
Secondly, i dont agree when people say sukuna has cursed tools to use. If thats the case, even gojo can bring in special grade cursed tools to battle. Its not something sukuna brings from shadows, so it is reasonable to assume gojo can bring in the necessary cursed tools as well. One thing is that sukuna has 2 additional arms to hold them, whereas gojo has to hold and fight simultaneously with just 2 hands.
Lastly, since gojo need not worry about adaptation of maharoga, he can use red, blue more aggressively than trying for sneaky attacks and countdown for adaptaion spins.
If you think sukuna will learn the slash that can bypass infinity without maharoga, then i think you guys should acknowledge that gojo the strongest of modern era could learn open domain, domain amplification when put in dire situation. Even higaruma learned DA when he risks his life and is compared to gojo. This means gojo would have learned, when put under such situation.
red and blue were just forgotten lol
gojo gets destroyed low-0 diff
@@Venotixaww does actual knowledge scare you?
@@Venotixclown
@@Bottomsup1saying that gojo would just up and learn an open domain, isnt actual knowledge tho lol, before they saw sukuna and Kenjaku do it everyone thought it was impossible, and if that’s the case gojo would’ve learned DA after mahoraga cut his arm off
Just dumping a thought on domain amplification; I feel like what we see from Jogo & Hanami pretty much confirms to me that someone on Sukuna"s level is pretty much guaranteed to be able to apply it to survive Unlimited Void- To illustrate: Jogo fought and domain clashed("Clashed" is doing a LOT of heavy lifting here) with Gojo and after, though he did still fight, wouldn't even try risking a much weaker version of Sukuna's domain. This isn't meant to be a direct corollary, rather just to illustrate the gap in overall jujutsu ability.
also note that gojou wasn't able to dodge a watered off version of piercing blood while heian sukuna fully dodged and made piercing blood look slow as while blitzing choso. Both gojou and sukuna were both off guard as well and to be fair sukuna was fighting more opponents and they were arguably stronger than mahoraga and agito
Well to be fair he was busy fighting mahoraga he can dodge it
He was literally fighting 2 comparable opponents when Sukuna landed that. Sukuna isn't faster than Gojo
@@Bigpimping7Heian sukuna is way faster than gojo. Sukuna was able to speed blitz kashimo who is faster than gojo. Gojo wasn't able to dodge cleave and dismantle on 3 separate occasions, whereas kashimo was able to dodge an amplified world cutting slash in his first attempt itself, which proves that kashimo is faster than gojo. Matter of fact gojo wasn't even fast enough to react to the slashes yet alone dodge it. Heian sukuna speed blitzing kashimo is proof of him being faster than gojo
@@sammitmenon Facts my guy🗿Although, I do believe that Gojo is faster overall thnx to his Teleportation
@@Nick-bv1yc when it comes to travel speed then yes gojo is definitely faster due to teleportation. But in terms of combat speed sukuna clears
There is something wrong about the first part with domains, how a domain works is if two domains clash the sure hit doesnt work at all until one side lose, it was explained in the fight and it was also explained it the dagon vs megumi domain clash. What actually happened is sukuna domain stopped the sure hit from gojo domain on himself since they're souls are in the clash ( domains were explained to come from the soul) but since gojo domain hits everything inside megumi was also affected by the domain since he was too traumatised to deploy his own domain to block it. So if prime sukuna and gojo was to domain clash sukuna would not get hit by gojo domain since during a clash domains are turned off for that area, think about it like when megumi was in dagons domain non of them could use there sure hit.
Another thing is gojo uses limitless to block himself and whoever touches him from the domain so once sumuna realises he has the infinity he would know that if he grabs gojo with domain amp he would be safe to destroy it from the outside. Then theres the fact that because sukuna doesnt have to keep the wheel active he could have potentially used flame areow to end the fight after the domain clash
The chants are only to amo curse technique if your output is low in a fight it's not good because it takes time. Not only did we not see a chant for domain expansion, it would be stupid to do so. The time taken to chant you already trap in a domain. It defeats the purpose
Yep that’s why he’d only be able to do it in his heian form since he has 2 mouths
Every domain has always had their chants and hand signs
Sukuna’s heain era body is perfect for Jujustu. 2 arms, 2 mouths, 4 eyes, you couldn’t ask for more.
1) All his physical stats are better
2) H2H is a lot easier for him
3) CT & Malevolent shrine are stronger. Not to mention, Malevolent shrine was already > Infinite void in Megumi’s body.
4) his cursed tools assuming he has them
5) Superior overall IQ/BIQ
6) The fact that he has ALWAYS been capable of doing the space slashing dismantle. He just needed a challenge & time which he definitely has.
7) Finally, Gojo himself mentioned that sukuna’s Marohaga strategy was very risky as he’s more likely to get hit by UV’s surehit
Gojo was simply never going to win. Gege would have to go through hoops to make Gojo win. Heain era Sukuna > Gojo, mid - high diff(Meguna extreme diffed Gojo).
Tbf, no
The only change for gojo's win is gojo doing the 360 degree purple as soon as mahoraga is on stage
@@blu3d3vil97 That move required a lot of prep & it only worked because Marohaga adapted to blue. If Gojo just did it before Marohaga adapted, then it wouldn’t have worked
A serious megukuna would have mid-high diffed gojo
Does it actually say Sukuna is "stronger" in his Heian form in ANY translation? Gege is pretty careful with some of those statements I don't remember it saying his form is physically stronger in ANY respectable translation. It yaps about him having more mouths to chant and arms to weave signs and I believe some talked about stamina because of the mouths and lungs but nothing says physically stronger.
I'm willing to be proven wrong if anyone has a decent enough source for me to look at.
Look no further than when kashimo is scanning sukuna heian era body. The narrator gives in great detail the pros of sukuna heian era body and goes on further to say " what kashimo saw was perfection"
@@mikejhinesfuldon’t save him bro he stuck in the looop
@@mikejhinesful that don't mean didly squat my boi respectfully 🤣
I don’t think it’s ever specifically stated but we can pretty easily assume so. We know different bodies have different stats not taking cursed energy into account, so for instance, yuji’s base stats with no cursed energy are way above megumi’s. Applying cursed energy enhances those stats, meaning your “base” stats (no ce) correlate with how strong you are with ce. And the portrayal heian sukuna has gotten very clearly indicates that his base stats should be way above megumi’s. Also, 4 arms is a massive boost in a hand 2 hand fight, and would be a massive advantage even not accounting for signs
@@MarvoloRiddle "that don't mean didly squat"💀Heain Era Sukuna is said to b perfect by the narrator. Was Gojo's body ever called perfect by anyone other than Gojo fangirls. Heain Era Sukuna's body is so op that "for a socerer, there is no greater advantage". Almost all of u Gojo fans make me🤢
Cleave is changing to match the opponents curse energy output so how could his slashes be stronger in haien form? He still has the same curse energy supply and output since he got his power back after 19 fingers plus corpse. Might even be stronger with his cursed deep in the evil pool. To cleanse or taint megumi soul like scrub it clean
Potentially with chants u could make cleave 120% output
So 20% above what cleave would generally need to cut trough
So maybe it would be useful for shit like gojo outhealing
At least this is the only way i see cleave being improved
Its an automated technique after all
Sukuna just aims it
I can only imagine what a Black Flash from Heian Sukuna would look like
Our main cast is FINISHED😂
@@HeavyWeatherr definitely GGs 😭
Depending on sukuna's output
It could be worse than gojo's but i gotta remember gojo's punches also hit u with blue at the same time
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Most accurate video ever about the subject. Sukuna Heain will just Destroy Gojo with ease, people forget that in this fight sukuna was taking hits on purpose for adaptation, heian sukuna will just now play with Gojo like meguna did
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About sukuna sure hit not protecting him is false because in the dagon fight the momen Megumi laid his domain the sure hit disappeared and Megumi didn't have any sure hit in his domain so in evenly matched domains the caster of the domain is protected by the domain from his opp sure hit so sukuna body and soul were protected by his domain but Megumi was an outsider do his soul was hit.
@@abhishekchoudhary4689 I see that makes sense. Overall i don’t think it chances the outcome too much since sukuna should win regardless but I think ur right
Here's a question I'm not sure where to ask, so I'm gonna ask it on all the JJK videos I can find.
Does Sukuna get Yuji's black flash amps? He's able to copy mahoraga, analyze everyone's technique at a glance, can see the beginning sparks of a technique activating, and we know at the very least he shares Yuji's memories. Is it possible for him to share the feeling/zone from Yuji's black flashes?
wouldn't that mean Yuji unintentionally buffed Sukuna throughout the story?
Hmmm that’s very much a possibility. Honestly I have no idea though😭
That's what I'm saying. He had info on Gojo thanks to Yuji and Megumi's memories, what if that's not all he got? Ofc this could just be my head canon for why he won against Gojo
@@nickeel8401Well while black flash amp up Yuji and teach him more about Jujutsu, its probably nothing that Sukuna doesnt already know
@@dominocut2963then Sukuna also buffed yuji and megumi.
I feel like the Mahoraga Slash that killed Gojo, is the same way Sukuna would have died if their domains clashed and he was hit by Unlimited Void, in a world where Sukuna had no background information before the battle. It's the shock factor, the lack of time to react. I think the anime foreshadows this in Toji vs Gojo. I hate to be that guy, but honestly, Unlimited Void has got to be one of the most broken abilities in any anime.
I think only sukuna fingers as curse object got stronger overtime the actual sukuna didn't get any stronger.
And the reason I think this is because we know sukuna fingers have different properties in comparison to the actual sukuna Like sukuna fingers being indestructible,giving power to curse,causing curse related disasters etc but sukuna himself exhibit none of those properties.
Secondly never has it being implied that this sukuna is stronger than his past self. whether it be Kenny,angel,yorozu,uraume nobody made that remark.
But as kayo said we still don't objectively know so if you think otherwise it's fine.
Yep💯
Pretty sure the "stronger overtime" was actually it referencing that seals werent working and it was getting harder to contain the fingers
Yuji though did say that Sukuna is getting stronger every day
@@mael3508 never said that😂😂
@@Weebgamer236 He literally told Choso that after he was asked how he was after getting hit by a black flash.
Gojo wins because I like him more
Fairs🥸
At least you honest and not using headcannon lol
Damn cant argue with that 😂
Fair enough
-Sukuna : I know how kenjaku originally look like.
-Yuta : I know how kenjaku look like without his head 😶
-I know how mommy Kenjaku is NAKED
No. As we know, you can't use a ct and da at the same time so when Sukuna said when he was unable to use da, he used megumi's soul to adapt with mahoraga
5:11 🥸
Yea i got it late
@@Prodigal450good you see the light 😂
@@HeavyWeatherr the domain's sure hit is seperate from the actual cursed technique imbued in the domain. Thus sukuna's domain was doing it's all while he could use da.
Sukuna domain's deals physical damage while gojo's domsi could be argued to do psychological/ soul based damage. Hence the reason megumi soul was damaged but not sukuna is because Sukuna's domain only protects his body and soul while disregarding everything else. In my opinion Sukuna's da usage had nothing on him not using a ct (10s, shrine or open). It would have probably be useless since gojo still has his infinity in his domain
You skipped an important detail. We know that gojo and sukuna are both capable of changing the conditions of there domain on a fly. Meaning sukuna can actually make the sure hit of his domain target himself to negate the UV and change it ones gojo's domain breaks. (*Although this is only if sukuna is vary of gojo and doesn't underestimate him which knowing his intellect he won't)
I don't understand. I thought it was clear that gojo was winning most hand to hand physical fights? Yes sukuna is stronger but that doesnt necessarily mean he'd completely outdo gojo. Also gojo said his limitless/rct was far superior than sukunas in the inital domain clash so wouldnt he br able to tank shrine again?
We saw gojo’s rct was already slowing down by the 2nd half of the fight. He had to use rct on full output just to survive being in sukuna’s domain for a few secs, meaning with slowed down rct he wouldn’t be able to survive inside malevolent shrine. So yeah, after rct spam he’d eventually slow down just like in the original fight, just this time his rct would slow down faster since he’d have to spam even more if he’s inside malevolent shrine
@@HeavyWeatherr A domain expansion already amplifies your technique to 120% however. Would it be the case that Sukuna’s Domain would even be stronger since it’s already at full power?
@@thesage7314 we know extra chants and signs can boost you over 120% (as seen with gojo’s 200% hollow purple) so I’d say yes personally
@@HeavyWeatherr The thing is Gojo was assisted by Utahime whose technique amps anyone in her vicinity.
This basically means that under normal circumstances he couldn’t reach 200% normally.
And 120% consistently seems to be highest you can get without a binding vow or outside help, which even Sukuna implies since he believes Gojo only reached over 120% through a binding vow.
the reason he could reach 200% purpl because Utahime b oosted his output to 120% first before doing the other 80% for himself@@thesage7314
I feel like the main deciding factor is really how much physically stronger sukuna is in the heian era, because if it turns out he is weaker or about equal to what he was in the main series fight he basically will lose almost every time because all gojo needs to do is contend with sukuna until he lands unlimited void. Another thing is that sukuna wasn't really able to do any damage that was significant enough to outright kill gojo until mahoraga broke through infinity, which sukuna wouldn't be able to do, negating dismatle as a win con. I can see that if sukuna was a lot stronger in the heian era that he would be able to eventually kill gojo in the domain clash before he could land unlimited void, but if hes around the same strength, I believe sukuna just wouldn't have enough power to get through gojo. Also a major win con for gojo i believe is that because gojo has prior knowledge of sukuna, he could instantly open with hollow purple like he did in the main fight, which while maybe not killing sukuna outright, because he wouldn't know about it like in the show, would damage him enough so that if gojo immediately opened unlimited void he wouldn't be able to recover fast enough with rct and get hit by it giving gojo the instant win. Also a statement that could potentially put a lot of doubt on heian era sukuna's strength was that when he first fought mahoraga in shibuya he said that there was a good chance he would have lost if they had fought "back then" most likely refferring to heian era, which would have made heian era sukuna quite a bit weaker than current sukuna, and could also enfer that sukuna's domain was actually less refined in the heian era as he used his domain to kill mahoraga in shibuya (just a theory tho)
Quit yapping. "Back then" refers to the incident at the Detention center, where 3F Sukuna almost pushed megumi to bring out Maho. Hiein Era Sukuna low diffs.
@myronbourne6937 hein era sukuna loses however u are right that sukuna meant the detention centre. But nothing implies hein ra sukuna is stronger
@@beanhead5398 Nah. He kills gojo with the same combo he used on mahoraga
@@myronbourne6937 gojo of he got caught would be able to escape
@@beanhead5398 How? He can't teleport without turning off RCT
I always told y’all sukuna would win and he’s best character
There are a bunch of better characters than Sukuna tbh
@@thesage7314 your opinion which I disagree with 100%
@@jon_ovo3653 That is fair
Gojo's win - con is his UV.
If sukuna underestimated gojo, he'd be one shotted.
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Purple failed twice against even Meguna and heian sukuna ia a lot stronger than him. Plus normal purple takes time to charge and leaves gojo open. Its not toji who would just watch gojo flying, saying cocky dialogues and still get hit. He'd dodge or get right behind gojo and attack.
Imagine Sukuna in his four arms body
First: winning inside the domain will be a big possibility since he not only have like 3 times more cursed energy than Gojo but he can chant with two mouths and use curses energy more effeciently in his four arms body
Second: while using domain amplification to protect himself from unlimited void he can use his cursed tools to attack knowing that his cursed tools are more stronger than the slashes so Gojo will have to deal with a sukuna which is stronger physically and who can attack with cursed tools which make the healing of Gojo's CT more difficult and nealy impossible
Last: Gojo will lose every domain battle fastly which make it impossible for Sukuna to ever get hit with UV which was the only thing that can make him lose, i don't agree with you saying that Sukuna can lose because of purple, Sukuna in his hien era form is much faster he doesnt even need to tank it, and he can sens CE better so those sneak attacks that Gojo landed before on sukuna won't work in his hien form
Everyone seems to forget that Sukuna gained cursed energy when he was in finger form (he accumulated cursed energy over several centuries). So he is actually stronger now than when he was in the Heian era.
Who gave you the information that Sukuna is faster 😠though the rest is quite accurate.👌
@@ridwanusman2538 Yugi, Kashimo both confirmed that, Sukuna couldnt keep up with Kashimo in megumi's body, but when he used his four arms form he was much faster and stronger
@@JonDoe-uq1mk that's not true Sukuna, the fingers accumulates only the power that was already in the hien era, there is no indication that the power surpaces that of the hien era, also sukuna in his hien era form is like 21fingers(20fingers+the body)
@@JonDoe-uq1mkhe didn’t accumulate energy his energy was leaking over time that’s a
Big misconception because the his fingers were getting stronger over time because of the curse getting weaker so his CE was leaking more from the fingers
Gojo fangirls keep on surprising me😭😭
1.the bath is literally said to sink the soul of the vessel (megumi) so that sukuna has an easy time controlling his body not to make him stronger lmao
2.the cursed objects (fingers) gain power overtime in order to be indestructible,it wasnt said that the curse/cursed spirit/sorcerer within is getting stronger
With how Higuruma was described as having as much talent as Gojo, I honestly think Gojo could in a hypothetical scenario learn DA if pushed to a 6th clash and if that happens he could stand a good enough chance to injure Sukuna to a point his own MS simply falls apart. If it gets to that point then the fight really is a free for all since there's no telling what Sukuna could whip out for Gojo we do have a good idea of his capabilities, but under those controlled circumstances I could see Gojo pulling a dub against him. But then again the same applies to Sukuna, since there is a fair argument to be had for Sukuna learning those World Slashes without Maho
Talent ≠ Potential. it said higuruma had as much potential as gojo
Gojo using DA is like mahito using DA
Its a nerf
Their hax enhance their fighting so much that purposefully stopping limitless and IT is just a straight up nerf
Every time gojo outdid sukuna in h2h was by using blue to speed up and attract sukuna towards his hits
Without that i doubt gojo is going to win against sukuna in h2h
@@blu3d3vil97using DA while he can't use his CT is a plus point rather than nerf, he was using falling blossom for the same reason to use rct over his brain and recover fast.
@anshitgamer1586 um, no DA is a self nerf
Fbe was used so he could focus all on ct burnout heal while his ct is unavailable
Assuming that Gojo couldn’t already use DA is crazy😂…
Sukuna's sure hit does protect him from UV otherwise why would he get hit with UV after his domain collapses if Megumi is already tanking UV for him while his domain is up?
Not only that , it was stated that sukuna used domain amplification during the domain battle and when he uses DA he can't activate the 10s nor making megumi adapt to unlimited void and although this fact sukuna still didn't got hit by infinite void when this suppose to happen if the translation is really correct
Kenjako's opinion: Sukuna is the strongest
Gojo's opinion: Sukuna is the strongest
Gojo fans's opinion🤡: Gojo is the strongest sukuna is 10shadows merchent 😂😂😂
Tbf its fun seeing all that desperation in those fans
Or the yuta fanboys calling sukuna a fraud for getting another ct but praise yuta cuz "its his ct"
Like they will deliberately demand that everyone just tries to headbut everyone and never use anything but how lucky they were born
gojo was doubting himself lol, sukuna himself said he needed 10 shadows
@@Kyuubey0406he didnt ,wtf are you even talking abt? If simply killing gojo was enough sukuna would have done that much earlier 😊
no he wouldnt, because he couldnt.@@abrahamgeorge2043
@@Kyuubey0406 what an idiot you are hhh, Sukuna called Gojo a fish and compared him with Kashimo... also Sukuna made it clear that Gojo has no chance of winning when he said that Gojo was lucky to have been born in an era where sukuna wasn't there, Gojo has the si eyes he wasnt doubting himself he analysed the situation and knew that Sukuna had the upperhand
FINALLLLY..........been waiting for this video for months....
I ain’t forget bro🥹🥹
Gojo fought without bloodlust and he would win he needs only seconds to destroy Sukuna brain and soul even if gojo domain lasted 10 sec against Sukuna. In the first clash Gojo Satoru lost quickly because Sukuna knew how is the structure of unlimited void and the slashes would be stronger because the maximum output of CE won't change. Gojo would with high diff in my opinion. And remember Gojo never tried to destroy Sukuna head because to save megumi he had to preserve his head. But doesn't matter who wins Gojo Satoru will return. Let gege cook.
Gojo legit said that sakuna doing that in the second clash was the riskier option and that he could have gone for a safer one since the domain was weak on the inside. He only did that because he was using 10 shadows in secret. You on some fanboy shit. Sakuna cooks gojo
I respect the cope
@@Blackjesus327 it's my opinion. you have yours and going to do the risky opinion doesn't mean the first option is better. Maybe you have to read the fight.
@@xebec995 doesn't matter now is officially Sukuna the strongest
It is very hilarious to say that Gojo never went All out when he hin self admitted it. Now tell me one thing ? How Gojo gonna destroy Sukuna's head ? With Hollow purple ? But it has limitations, with red ? He already did and Sukuna ate it. Blue ? It has no ending property. Gojo doesn't have a win con. He is one who started the fight with 200% hollow purple. Gojo literally and genuinely never holds back.
Also we don't know if sukuna knew domain amplification from kenjaku or already knew it. But most importantly he wouldn't know gojo domain expansion ability to know that he needs to use domain amplification right after or if he will have the chance to do so before the stun
He ain't an idiot bro he'll obviously be cautious because he doesn't know what he's up against
Sukuna would know after their first hand to hand exchange before they activate their domains that Gojo's cursed technique prevents him from touching Gojo and would know to use DA. Doesn't matter anyway as Sukuna's sure hit does protect him contrary to what is said in this video, so he wouldn't get stunned when they open their domains.
Gege left it ambiguous for a reason. This is all headcannon until Gege says otherwise. Who’s to say Gojo won’t just spam teleports and purples. He never tried to kill Sukuna.
He tried, he said it like 3 times, that he was going all out and that his goal was to kill Sukuna.
Gojo we saw in this fight was peak Gojo. While we are yet to see peak Sukuna
@@danilka523 He was being humorous and trash talking. When it came down to it and he thought he won the battle when UV hit, he says, “I’ll bring him close to death.” It was never in his intentions to kill Sukuna while he was possessing Megumi which is why he lost
@@MindlessMenace Nope, its just u are delulu. He said that he was going to bring Sukuna closer to death than he was while being in Yuji, referring to the moment when Sukuna lived without a heart. Which basicly means kill Sukuna. Doesnt change the fact that Gojo himself said that he was going all out during this fight. Let me guess, u know better than Gojo?
What Gege did write is Gojo saying he’d probably lose to Sukuna even if he didn’t have 10S and that was without Gojo witnessing the Heian era form.
If we go by just the writing, nothing is definite but it leans towards Sukuna winning regardless as we have Gojo expressing that himself.
@@AllyrionWWthat I agree with. The reason I wrote what I said is because everyone is saying the fight is one sided or that Sukuna wins 100%. It’s not definite
Gojo would've lost the first clash to a 4 arm Sukuna AND gotten sliced to a degree he could NOT RCT, at least not easily enough to keep up physically and he wouldn't be able to bring his CT back unless he wants to die. And a misconception is that Sukuna is vulnerable to unlimited void normally and used Megumi to adapt, however its moreso that he made himself vulnerable so that he could adapt using megumi.
If it wasn't for Ten Shadows, Gojo would have died during their domain clashes
Then why did sukuna even chose 10s
@@ahmedthelssj9428because in JJK the philosophy of the strongest is not to win, but to prove that they are the strongest. Sukuna saw 10 Shadows as a way to improve Dismantle and also, Megumi was a vessel he could use without losing control of or killing while possessing.
This message is gonna be a bit long, so, pls study patiently. I disagree with Kaiyos take on how instantly sukuna get stun locked after gojo opens his domain if sukuna doesn't have megumis soul.
My counter-argument is that......narrator clearly stated that both of their sure-hits inside gojos domain are equal so none of them would receive any damage.........even if u completely remove megumi soul out of the picture......sukuna would still be protecting himself from UV with his MS. Just like Mahitos domain, Gojo's domain sure-hit can also target multiple souls in the opponent........so, sukuna didn't/ can't protect megumis soul from UV so that megumi soul can shoulder Mahoragas adaptation. When narrator stated that......."HE took the UV for 5 times" by this statement he means that.....
1st domain : Megumis soul is only exposed to UV for a brief moment (we saw gojo and sukuna didn't even move from their positions and sukunas domain instantly destroyed gojos domain from outside)
2nd domain : Megumis soul got exposed to UV for a few seconds [from what we saw from the manga......sukuna completely relied on domain amplification to combat gojo (we know that......if sukuna used DA then Mahoragas adaptation would be on hold from chapter 230) and used yuji memories to quickly destroy gojos domain through a binding vow]
3rd & 4th domain : we don't know what happened inside the 3rd domain clash......but in the 4th domain clash, sukuna is completely tanking gojos hits without using domain amplification. It is clearly shown in the manga panels that there is no DA aura around sukuna (it is from 3rd domain clash, sukuna completely stopped using DA and completely relied on cursed energy reinforcement and RCT to survive inside gojos domain so that, Mahoragas adaptation will not be halted)
5th domain : sukuna lasted inside gojos domain for 2 minutes 40~50seconds (which is equal to the exposure time of Megumi soul to UV)
It is not like megumi soul was completely exposed to UV for 5 times.......it is exposed to UV THE MOST during 3rd, 4th and 5th domain clashes.
Regarding Domain Amplification negating gojos sure-hit..........none of the Anti-domain techniques like simple domain, falling blossom emotion and DA can negate the sure-hit of Gojo domain because of its complexity which was stated by kusakabe. If DA really does negate gojos sure-hit.....then there is no point of sukuna touching gojo during 2nd domain clash. Sukuna could have easily increased the strength of MS through a binding vow without touching gojo if DA negates sure-hit of gojos domain, however, that is not the case.
There's a reason why Sukuna didn't use his true form against Gojo. He knew that he can't cut through limitless and the fight at worst would end in a stalemate.
It is literally shown that both Domain Amplificaiton and Domain Expansion cuts through infinity. How are you so dumb that you can't even follow the fight?
The reason why he didn't use his true form is also obvious, he would've destroyed Gojo through DE but would expand considerable energy and leave him vulnerable to subsequent challengers. In contrast, using the ten shadows technique, he gets a free heal at the end of the fight which he held off on using until absolutely necessary.
Its baffling how braindead JJk fans are that their level of comprehension is so dismal.
Yeah like I’m seeing so many sukuna supporters say that he was always capable of learning world dismantle(yes it’s a dismantle not a cleave), sure that’s fine bjt Mahoraga rapidly decreased the time needed, and sukuna was STILL about to lose. Also they’re saying a detail was a mistranslation or flat out false? How? It’s official and Gege hasn’t said it’s false, sukuna had to shift the impact and time of adapting to unlimited void onto Megumis soul. I can definitely see sukuna choosing to use the Mahoraga strat to learn something from the fight, since gojo is the only one capable of pushing him to the point he needs to grow on the fly, that’s fine, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t his best strat. I think if sukuna used heian era form from the get go he would have won the domain clash, because the 4 hands and 2 mouths are a huge advantage, not to mention his 4 eyes which give him enhanced perception. He can so easily chant with one mouth, use hand signs to boost the domain, and use the domain at the same time. Gojo would need to use simple domain instead of a domain clash and that leaves him vulnerable to sukuna throwing hands. Now o he needed a cursed tool to transform, so that option wasn’t there during the fight, and sukuna chose not to transform because he’s an asshole and wants everyone to think there’s a chance to save megumi.
He doesn't need to cut through limitless. He just needs to kill gojo inside his domain, which he could have done if he wanted to
i think gege done gojo right to make him fight megukuna cause heian era sukuna lets be real its not fair and it will be brutal we saw how strong his form it is stated its the prefect body for a sorcorer so if u think having 10s is a big advantage bruh there is nothing more advantage than having 2 extra arms and 2 mouths its just not fair imagine playing vs someone is aimhack and wallhack
Exactly. Gojo got off way easier than the rest of the cast, and this is a nerfed Heian era Sukuna who bodied everyone. A fully healthy Heian Sukuna would actually be unbeatable.
The thing is there's no reason for Gojo to domain clash. He can just teleport out of a barrierless domain and fight as normal in a barriered one. Assuming Gojo can't win in the traditional barrier clash domain expansion, he could just open a hole in the domain like Megumi did with Dagon.
Yeah, since Sukuna doesn't use a shell, Gojo literally just needs to tp 200m out and stall
Too bad the author nerfed to to "certain circumstances" and he never uses it in the battle
If somebody loses a domain clash they can't use their CT for a few minutes. Gojo can't beat Sukuna without his domain and the same goes for Sukuna. Gojo was destined to lose as Sukuna has a superior domain.
Those types of holes don't work on open domains and nobody can stand still into a vortex of slashes.
@@kamybale8910Gege never nerfed anything but ya guys never read the series actually.
@@GigaNiga483 What I'm saying is that gojo doesn't even need to use his domain. If sukuna uses a barrierless domain, Gojo can teleport out of it. If Sukuna uses one with a barrier then yeah Gojo has to domain but his barrier wouldn't be attacked from the outside like it would when Sukuna uses a barrierless one so Gojo should be able to last long enough to make a hole in the barrier since he's far better than Megumi at barriers and is more evenly matched with Sukuna.
I think the biggest problem with this discussion is that you guys are assuming something that has not been stated nor even hinted at. Fully reincarnated Sukuna is not any stronger than Meguna. 20 fingers of power is still just 20 fingers of power. Meguna fully reincarnating only gave the benefit of being fully healed, it was never stated to make him more powerful, at least not in a raw sense. It is stated as mentioned that he can fight more effectively because of thhe extra body parts, but nowhere does the narrative state he became stronger. It also wouldn't even make sense why he'd be stronger. His power is contingent on his fingers and he was already at 20 fingers of power so how exactly does he become more powerful than 20 fingers...by reincarnating into 20...finger Sukuna. That doesn't math. The "his body is bigger" argument doesnt work either because their power comes from the magic system and not real life attributes. Like Yuji is physically stronger than literally everyone in the series yet he gets bodied quite often because the strength of characters in the story is from magic (cursed energy). So, Sukuna somehow now being able to out muscle Gojo because his physical body is bigger still doesnt make sense.
Denial.
GoatJo Slams
And gives the most devine backshots
Tell your goat to get an open barrier domain first
Sukuna is obviously stronger than Gojo... but the fact of that matter is that Sukuna used his immense knowledge of jujutsu and his month of prep time to be able to beat Gojo during the Shinjuku showdown and had months before that to plan out his strategy and gain knowledge on Gojo. If Sukuna and Gojo fought with no prior knowledge of Gojo there's a good chance that he loses because he doesn't know that Gojo essentially has two instant-kill abilities in Purple and Infinite Void. If Sukuna doesn't immediately perceive Gojo as a major threat and slips up because he's not taking him on with the intent he did in the manga he just outright loses even though he's a stronger sorcerer.
Also for the domain amplification thing... that kind of breaks a lot of what we know about domains (not to say that its not how it works in the manga because it clearly is) because then Jogo could have tanked unlimited void with amplification in their first fight, Gojo or Sukuna could have just not opened their domain and used amplification, and it essentially makes domains useless against anyone who can use amplification. Glad Gege hasn't used it like that outside of Gojo v Sukuna because it'd be hella lame.
I think there's a shot Nobara returns with Sakuna's final finger to deliver a blow on him directly, but she wouldn't be strong enough by herself; another power house assists with the finale blow.
Aged like fine wine
@@somersaultinggiraffe1901 I mean; the writing was on the wall. Come on people, do some narrative analysis...
You are wrong. Sukuna's sure hit protected only him and not anyone else and that's why Megumi got hit.
Wow you guys! You guys missed the goal post by a mile with this one. Wouldn't expect anything less from Kayobreeze though, is that his name? Gojo is God to him. Never seen anyone as bias as that guy
Gojo *Demolishes* Heian Era Sukuna for many reasons
1:*Sukuna's fingers get stronger day by day so Sukuna now would be alot stronger than what he was in the past atleast by 300% and a WEAKENED SLASHED UP BASE GOJO kept up with Domain Amped Meguna which should be 200% stronger than his Base So Gojo here would firmly pummel Heian Era Sukuna in terms of physical stats*
2: *Gojo doesn't have to hold back since Sukuna isn't hijacking his students or someone he cares about so Sukuna is gonna be seeing the rainbow 🌈 with how much colours hes gonna be hit with🎢*
3: *Sukuna wouldn't have the dictionary he had in canon on Gojo and his abilities so he not only has to workout Limitless he simultaneously has to not die to Gojo while doing it which is😬 so he's getting pummeled to death*
4: *Sukuna doesn't have Domain Amplification here so Gojo's attacks are gonna be doing ALOT more damage since Sukuna in canon DID NOT want to get hit with Reversal Red, Azure Blue or Hollow Purple without it so if regular Red's and Blue's or low out Red's and Blue's can take chunks off Sukuna with Domain Amplification imagine without it☠️*
5: * Sukuna here wouldn't have the Ten Shadows to cover for him nor Megumi's soul to help him So he's screwed and is gonna lose heck he Gojo effectively won in Canon before plot came in⛷️*
*Being real Sukuna aint even making it to the 3rd Domain clash heck he aint even making it to the 2nd clash since Gojo would kill him in the first one💨*
Also great vid🔥 but its off
*Strength*: *Gojo* (Gojo was pummeling Sukuna to such a point mans had to a pull a Kaisen and *JUMP* then camp and recover in the Shadows🚁)
*Speed*: *Gojo* (pretty much is the fastest character in the series)
*Durability*: *Sukuna* (I was gonna give it to Gojo but due to Sukuna being a curse object or a weird being he has really good durability although Gojo has a case for being more durable)
*Intelligence*: *Gojo* ( dude's basically a super computer with a blindfold on)
Battle IQ: *Gojo* (Gojo walked into the fight with Sukuna knowing little to no information on Meguna or the Upgraded Ten Shadows but Gojo still outplayed him)
*Abilities*: *Gojo* (6️⃣👀 nuff said)
*Hax*: *Gojo* (⤴️⬆️👆👍)
*Experience*: *Sukuna* (obvious)
*Curse Energy*: *Sukuna* (technically Gojo would have more but Sukuna literally has 2 times the amount of Yuta👾)
*Cursed Technique*: *Gojo* (Limitless🏂)
*Domain Expansion*: *Gojo* ( Gojo took Malevolent Shrine for a couple of minutes, Sukuna *DID NOT* want to get hit by Infinite Void for a couple of seconds)
Reverse Curse Technique: *Sukuna* ( has probably the bwst in the series and if not its better than Gojo's)
*Combat Speed*: *Gojo* ( Gojo was consistently blitzing Sukuna, Mahoraga and Agito *AT THE SAME TIME*)
*Combat*: *Gojo* ( Gojo was making Sukuna look like he had no hands 🛸 and even when he got *JUMPED* he still was doing fine and even winning)
*AP/DC*: *Gojo*(Hollow Purple blew apart a city and erases things so🚀🪂)
Gojo pretty much clears low difficulty and im shocked this is even a debate when even *Sukuna* doesn't think he would've won Lmao🙃
dude when did Sukuna ever say he would not have won are you talking about when he was fighting with Gojo cause he never in his time of fighting Gojo stated that I have not read the new chapters but I would not think after Sukuna packed up Gojo would even say that. this sounds like an asspull.
and plus, Gojo was not holding back he literally said he was going to go all out the fuck are you talking about???
Gojo dies in the first domain clash immediately after his domain is broken as he needed MAX RCT output to survive the slashes, the lightning cursed tool or a fire arrow on top of that with Sukuna's two extra arms would overwhelm his RCT and kill him.
@@edwardirwin3478why he didn't did that before?
@@alatus1578 this is heian era sukuna not meguna
do't forget that megumi sukuna was missing a finger so it is even more one sided, sukuna also can use the attack he use in 258-259 and hollow widow basket
Idk if u meant this, but Amplification also will allow sukuna to neutralize his blue fist, and his use of blue and red to push and pull constantly like he was doing in the canon, so gojo really doesnt have a chance of doing the dmg he needs to heian era sukuna within that 3 mins timeframe he needed, bc his punches wont even do the same amount of dmg, on top on sukuna being physically stronger
My guy this is really my opinion and we have a panel which literally proves our opinion. Remember the time when gojo tried to attack sukuna by making his clones with blue, sukuna easily stopped gojo's blue infused punches by activating domain amplification as the wheel turned black.
9:49 I'd say so, but in the fight, sukuna grabs gojo to avoid the sure hit, while having his da active, has he needed it to get pass infinity, so even though it makes sense for da to nullify the sure hit, since sakuna doesn't use it but goes for a way harder aproach that requires it to be active, I'd say it wouldn't work
That’s fair. Me personally I feel it’s in character for sukuna to go for riskier and more dangerous options. As gojo himself says in chap 228, where he wonders why sukuna didn’t destroy his domain from the inside after he flipped the conditions, and states that sukuna is playing it risky despite not having to
@@HeavyWeatherr This is true but wouldn't be if you and Kaiyo still believe that Sukuna's sure hit does not protect him and that Megumi was tanking it. Dunno why you and Kaiyo still think that after so many months
@@HeavyWeatherr yes, it's totally in character, but it's not like he wasn't using da. Also, I could remember wrong, but Sukuna did not break the insider because his sure hit was nullified, so he had nothing to use, as he also wanted to adapt with maho, which, again, I might not remember correctly, Is the reason why Gojo says Sukuna is playing risky, he didn't know he was using the ts to adapt
I have a question.. Why didn’t Sukuna simply reverse his domain condition so it destroyed Gojo’s domain from the inside instead of outside - after Gojo reversed his condition?
I would think bc Sukuna wanted to. Disrespectfully “strip Gojo’s scales” but curious your thoughts?
Alot of reasons :
1. It was a completely new way of using domain expansion.
2. Gojo did it because he was countering, not the other way around.
3. It wouldn't even matter since malevolent shrine still reaches both in and out so he could chose to hit the inside if he wanted, it probably wouldn't matter since in the end sukuna destroyed the inverse barrier domain expansion anyways
4. I would expect sukuna having a hard time imagining his open domain that is already so big and just flipping the barriers inside out while casting it against gojo since just like the final domain clash, if gojo got the split second upperhand in launching domains while sukuna was imagining his domain reversibly, unlimited void would hit and it would be bad for sukuna
Just to bring up extra points, sukuna would not be fighting in a way to draw out his time spent in the domain for mahoragas benefit.
This time when gojo saiys "why doesnt he attack from the inside?"
Well this time he would and that would also shorten the time unlimited void is up.
Secondly kayo said in base sukuna is probably cooked because he has no way past limitless but that not entirely true either.
Sukuna can't use his technique while using amplification, but with his cursed tools he doesnt really need to.
He actually still has a decent fight here too.
Gojo would need to outlast sukunas punishment in the domains and also deal with his cursed tools.
Also remember when kayo says purple traveled KM to get to sukuna so he had more time to react, in the manga its expained that the attack was being masked until it was pretty much in sukunas face.
Good points! What Kaiyo meant by base to base is taking domains out of the equation, so sukuna and gojo have no real way to put each other down, and gojo would prob just outlast him due to six eyes
One thing I'd like some clarification on is how Sukuna was able to bring out Mahoraga after he got hit by Infinite Void. It looked like he was completely brain dead and stun locked. The manga made it seemed like Mahoraga was called upon whilst Sukuna couldn't move. Is Sukuna just that guy or am I misinterpreting something?
He just summoned him using the chants, probably he preset a binding vow
@@jefflight8188 I guess that would make sense
As a hater of everything that everyone loves it goes to show exactly how smart sunuka is and it’s fair play he is the villain
lol no, Just by the title I disagree. The entire reason Gege made an actual fight between original Sukuna and Gojo ambiguous in the first place is because it would never be one sided. Assuming Heian era has NO prior knowledge of infinity and six eyes, doesn't do him any favors. Meguna gave Sukuna the edge over Gojo, that was reason for getting the ten shadows in the first place, you're literally arguing with the narrative itself lmao. Imo its 60/40 in favor for Gojo against heian era Sukuna unless he shows more. Vise versa, Meguna vs Gojo was 60/40 in Sukunas favor, it was very possible for gojo to win as it was stated multiple times that Sukuna was taking big risks in their confrontation just to get the win off.
My bad, the title is spicy but in the vid itself we both say it all depends on your interpretation and that there are cases where gojo wins
@@HeavyWeatherr I agree
idk who ever told you guys that sukuna is "much stronger" than while in megumi's body lmao.
I dont think chanting can increase ur domain's power because literally no one has done that and even if it was possible why wouldnt any of the characters who got domains just chant most of the time to try to kill quicker... Correct me if im wrong about this tho, furthermore If i just debunked the chant-domain thing wouldnt gojo just be tanking the same amount of dmg from shrine like he originally did and also now that this isnt megumi wouldnt gojo not have to care about killing sukuna since this is just heian era sukuna, theres lots of advantages to gojo so yk.
Yeah the domain thing was more of a possibility. The main argument is that since sukuna is physically stronger, he’d last at least 1 extra second inside the domains, meaning gojo’s would collapse first and he’d have to rct spam, eventually running out and dying
@@HeavyWeatherrheavily doubt
To even cast a domain u already do both chants and handsigns
The first round of doman clash clarifies sukuna wins. If there is a normal dc then sukuna breaks gojo's domain and cuts him and then uses fuga to finish since gojo cannot use infinity exactly after dc.
Sukuna is his hien era ancient form is like 21fingers(20fingers+the body) so yes this will break the balance in the domain battle and Sukuna will win the domain battle immediately 😅
If Gojo can also use Domain Amp, he'd have a much easier time surviving MS, but I don't remember if he can
The whole foght was planned by Sukuna and he deliberately took the riskier option gambling his fight... He misread the last situation when gojo outsmart him in purple at last.. but he could have hid in the shadows if he wanted to buy he didn't... Idk why but that would have been better🤔🤔
Not sure why he keeps saying that sukuna is much stronger in his real body. Hes not stronger at all. He just has more arms. And can chant with his stomach. Makes him more versatile. Hes as strong as his 20 fingers. If theres any instance he gets hit with gojos domain he loses.
But now that he has 2 more hands and one more mouth that’s very unlikely to happen rip gojo 🙏
Sukuna’s base body being physically superior to megumi’s means with ce, he would be stronger. It’s like how if you give yuji and megumi the same ammount of ce, yuji would still be physically stronger since his base stats are higher
Heain Era Sukuna is said to b perfect by the narrator cuz when Kashimo saw Sukuna in his og Heian Era form, the narrator said that "what he saw, was perfection". Was Gojo's body ever called perfect by anyone? Heain Era Sukuna's body is so op that "for a socerer, there is no greater advantage"
Because Heian era Sukuna has shown much greater feats than Meguna.
Blitzing Piercing Blood (Gojo can't)
Blitzing his own Dismantles (Gojo can't)
Jumping on air (Gojo can't)
Being called by Yuji as the strongest sorcerer in history (not Gojo)
Hakari himself admitted he was shitting his pants when he saw "that hulk" (never said this about a 5'7" Meguna)
Stated by the fucking narrator to be absolute perfection in terms of jujutsu, so all his stats and CE output are greater than Meguna by an unquantifiable amount
"Sukana is a lot stronger" not really the case though is it? He was at 19 fingers and the mummy relic, which bumped him up to the 20 fingers equivalent. While also having the 10 shadows.
He was at 18 fingers and the mummy he ate gave him one finger's worth of CURSED ENERGY, not power. Also, the 10 Shadows is a technique, not a fucking stat boost. And it was a liability for Sukuna till the very end of the fight when Mahoraga adapted to Infinity for the second time.
i’m not a watcher or reader of jjk everything ik i saw thru the internet so it’s kinda disheartening seeing gojo(the coolest character in the series to me) get washed. from what i’ve seen he isn’t supposed to lose
Tbh he is still by far the 2nd strongest jjk character, it’s just that sukuna built different
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Even a stronger opponent the blue enhanced attacks hurts regardless of how durable or strong you are. A jab is like a straight shot. So either way he would be able to load the pressure on him. His extra hands would give him trouble but he isn't getting manhandled like kashimo he has blue amp to break out. Don't compare gojo sataro to kashimo hajima not close to me
I agree gojo is way above kashimo. I was just using kashimo as an example of how sukuna’s extra arms can be helpful in a 1v1
I think these fights would never convince me one way or another because
1. we know sukuna fingers are constantly collecting curse energy so he would have less in the heyan era.
2. We don’t know how do chants and rituals work with domains. It could just maintain the same level of output. Also we know the slashes aren’t stronger they are at their peak of output in the domain and gojo is at peak that you can naturally have.
3. When it comes to reinforcements they are at their best and I don’t think we have any evidence that ce reinforcements have it a multiplicative effect on physical power but an additional. And let’s just give the more faster and stronger card to sukuna. He would not treat gojo like Kashimo because of how well he handled the three on one with sukuna. That 3-1 is simply more difficult to handle than a guy faster and more limbed than you. They could not even keep gojo down and they were all keeping up with each other in speed and we know mahoraga is physically stronger than gojo and sukuna just tanking a black flash reinforced blue fist. I don’t believe this part does gojo justice. But maybe I am missing something
Good points, regardless I think we can all agree gojo cemented himself as the strongest sorcerer to exist within the 3 clans at least. His ancestor fought a 10 shadows user with his same abilities and everything, while the 10 shadows user didn’t have Mahoraga(megumi said no one had ever tamed Mahoraga when he first summons it) and gojos ancestor tied with the 10 shadows user. Now gojo folded Mahoraga, agito, and nearly killed sukuna, using the same kit as his ancestor. Gojo proved why he’s such a threat to the jujutsu world as a whole in that fight, even if he got bisected by a cheat code.
His hands weren’t collecting energy his hands were leaking CE over time because of the curse getting weaker 😂 swear people have zero reading compreheioms
@@boomyrang4597 dog we literally have a panel saying the fingers collecting energy and getting stronger
One Mistake yall made regarding the domain clashes. If gojo and sukuna domain clashes and sukuna has to use domain amplification to nullify the sure hit, then he wouldn’t be able to use any techniques inside the domain. The effects of MS and UV will overlap and the fight inside the domain will go basically the same way because even if he has 4 arms; he can’t use any technique while Gojo can use blue red inside the domain to fight.
Not saying sukuna wouldnt win but it would be a lot harder.
He’d be able to use his techniques inside malevolent shrine after gojo’s domain gets destroyed and his ct is burnt out
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Biggest plot hole , megumi taking UV hits 😂 like how can you let a soul take damage when you are possesing the vessel.
If Megumi was the reason Sukuna wasn't being hit by the void then he would have continued to protect himself using Megumi as a shield even after his domain had shattered. He was protected by his own sure hit. Also, Sukuna would have no reason to not just attack the weaker inside of Gojo's barrier since he has no Mahoraga to prolong the clashes for in this scenario. He'd just do what Gojo described after the third clash and target the inside instead of the reinforced outside. Gojo would just get destroyed here.
Heian Era Sukuna is weaker than Megkuna, the fingers got stronger over the years, the mummy he absorbed was implied to be worth more than one finger, he was leeching megumi's power, and it's likely that he learned Domain Amp from kenjaku in the one month time skip, meaning Heian Era sukuna wouldn't even be able to hit gojo, not to mention his extra hands and mouths wouldn't help his domain because a domain is always at its best due to requring chants and hand signs to make in the first place
Didin't Sukuna just transformed himself into multiple cursed objects which are the fingers, the way people kept telling Heian Era Sukuna "is more physically stronger has more overall power" is like saying, Sukuna just nerfed himself on purpose for no absolutely fucking reason, saying the heian era form is some sort of a dragon ball z transformation or his "PRIME"
its been constantly implied throughout the series Sukuna will be back at his "Full power" once he gain all his fingers, granted there was one missing finger but Sukuna consumed his mummified heian era body, to make up for the lost.
Its also been portrayed that whatever vessel Sukuna is in, his power remains constant, i can't imagine Sukuna being quote on quote extremely weak just because he got in an old hag for a vessel, if you do wish to imply Vessel's power is related to Sukuna's current power then the fact that Sukuna's power didin't really get any lower since heian era, the vessels will just add to that as a small portion of enchancement.
"As for the extra arms and mouth"
Mouth: Sukuna basically already have the ability to summon mouths on whatever part of his body so i don't see how just having a permanent mouth in his stomach would be more useful than what he can already do.
Extra Arms: Just like how it is for Megumi, the 10 shadows surpasses its user on certain stats, and now mahoraga is even powered by Sukuna's cursed energy he is far more powerful than what he was when he was fighting Sukuna, it is evident that both Agito and Mahoraga did a better job at facing Gojo in hand to hand combat as Sukuna managed to get manhandled in his own domain not to mention, thats Gojo blitzing Sukuna while using reverse cursed technique at full throttle, and we all get to see the speed gap between Sukuna and Gojo after the domain clashes, as Gojo was fast enough to create multiple afterimages against Sukuna, and even went as far as fighting Sukuna along with 10 shadows and damage him again to the point that Sukuna needed to hide and heal while having Mahoraga and Agito fight Gojo since Sukuna couldn't even last a second in hand to hand combat (Obviously thats an exaggeration but you get the point theres a huge gap in speed and hand to hand combat between Gojo and Sukuna) to top it all up, Sukuna got oneshot into knockdown by one blackflash from Gojo, while Mahoraga easily tanked it, so i see 10 shadows as more useful than simply having extra arms.
Sukuna's heian form isin't actually portrayed as some sort of super saiyan transformation, its more of a one time use only reverse cursed technique with the process being him needing to turn back to his original form to loosen some of the damage, Kashimo was basically just glazing just like Uraume does.
as for Gojo's words, he stated Sukuna could "Probably" still beat him even without Megumi's CT.
Which Sukuna later on invalidates by stating he needed Mahoraga to mentor him into bypassing Limitless, otherwise all of his shrine abilities are basically useless against Gojo forcing him into hand to hand combat (Domain Amp)
both statements are basically just a testament to how much both of them respected each other, while in the long run its nothing but a blind estimation on Gojo's part because he got surprised by the new technique that could bypass his domain, and the fact that Sukuna wasn't able to use any of his abilities like Fuga made gojo think Sukuna was holding back while in reality, Sukuna was back and forth using binding vows just to keep up with Gojo's constant change of domain conditions, therefore not allowing Sukuna to prepare Fuga since he had to keep changing his domain conditions with binding vows.
Domain Expansion is unusable at that point, since Sukuna still had brain damage and is nowhere near his full strength evident enough that Yuji and the heavy hitters are capable of keeping up with him, as Yuta stated, its only thanks to Gojo weakening him to this point that they are able to keep up.
Basically...
Heian Sukuna, Just as strong as he was in Megumi's body, but with extra arms and mouth which basically means Gojo is still far superior in speed and hand to hand combat, 10 shadows proved to be more useful than simply having extra arms since Mahoraga is like 2x or more extra powerful than Sukuna already in terms of physicality.
the only reason Sukuna is afraid that Mahoraga will get oneshotted by Gojo is because unlike him, Mahoraga can't use Domain amplification to negate some of the damage, and once mahoraga sustains too much damage faster than he could adapt, he is dead dead, not only is Mahoraga physically more powerful than Sukuna when he is powered by Sukuna's cursed energy, he one by one renders each of every Gojo's abilities useless by the second.
Conclusion:
theres not much change in the physical comfrontation, unless we actually say oh yeah Sukuna is nerfed as Megumi so Heian Era body would be more physically strong yeah yeah yeah, then there still wouldn't be any difference as Gojo would make up for it with blue enchanced fist and his speed and skills capable of always catching Sukuna offguard similar to how Gojo Blitz Sukuna so hard inside the domain that Sukuna is dumbfounded about the speed before being blasted by red along with his shrine.
any of the shrine abilities would not be able to travel Infinite distance so Fuga and any of the shrines ability would be meaningless against Gojo, so Domain expansion and Domain amp would be the only thing Sukuna could use.
Sukuna wouldn't be having the full scope of knowledge he have of Gojo's ability like he did in the original fight, which means, Sukuna wouldn't know the fact that he wouldn't be affected by the unlimited void sure hit effect if he simply make contact with Gojo as it is what he saw when Gojo showed it to Yuji, not to mention, Sukuna wouldn't even fucking know about Gojo's infinity so he would most likely just get caught in it if we are talking about Heian Era Sukuna with no knowledge of Gojo Satoru's abilities.
the only thing i could see Sukuna doing is if Gege wrote some stuffs about his weapons that has literally thousands of binding vows on it, to be able to warp space and time or shit just to bypass infinity's conceptual barrier, the further you go the more distance between you and Gojo are meaning you will progressively get slower the closer you get to him.
as for your assumption of Sukuna just gaining more of his previous power is what the writing meant by "Sukuna's fingers are gaining more power as time pass on"
your ignoring the fact that Sukuna and every statements in the series point to the conclusion of "once Sukuna regain all his fingers he will regain his former glory and power"
which heavily points out your assumption is extremely wrong.
the only wincon Sukuna will have is if his weapons will do the work for him.
other than that Sukuna is basically stripped off most of his abilities, far weaker than he currently is with 10 shadows, and less versatile since 10 shadows already provides him the leverage of being able to chant while the shadows who's physically superior than him fight and hold down his opponent far better than his four arms extra mouth body of his, it also gives him the leverage to take time on healing and observing his enemy.
The thing is If Sukuna Domain doesn't Nullify Unlimited Void sure hit for himself he would lose the 1st Clash because he would be stunned before he could activate DA because he shouldn't be able to open his Domain with DA on which mean UV would stun Sukuna before he can counter like in their Final Domain Clash
but even if he does use DA in time it is reasonable to assume that DA is not much better then Simple Domain at canceling Sure hits which means if Sukuna doesn't break Gojo Domain extremely quickly he would be hit with Unlimited Void.
It would be like if Gojo only had Simple Domain with no RCT he can survive but once it goes down he has nothing to switch to in order for it to create a loop of him surviving the Sure hit. Without Megumi Sukuna only has 1 tool against Gojo Sure hit and when it breaks he probably dies.
But if you assume Sukuna only takes a little bit of UV each time then they either
1.Tie all their clashes and Gojo wins the non Domain battle
2.Sukuna hadn't accumulated enough brain damage and Gojo loses after his 5th Domain
3. Sukuna accumulated enough Brain Damage and Gojo wins the non Domain fight
4.Sukana loses any of the Domain clashes and dies
5.Gojo loses Domain clash and dies due to stronger Malevolent Shrine
Jeez... chants don't do anything for domains❗😂
When have we ever seen that!?☠️
They only use binding vows to utter the conditions of their domains...not chants
Y'all assumptions are ass❗
Where is it stated that chanting doesn't affect domains? Stop pulling shit out of your ass
Sukuna could just change the conditions of his domain to include himself atleast until gojos is destroyed but idk if hed figure to do that at the start
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This is exactly why kept saying through the hole fight that not reveling skuna CT going to be problematic because it would open huge door for for speculations. BUT if skuna shrine can go through infinite GG gojo
The thing about that everything except himself statement is, Wouldnt that mean both souls should have been hit by it, But we saw that Sukunas soul wasnt hit only Megumis.
Couldn’t Gojo just teleport out of Sukuna’s domain range? I’m still confused as to why he doesn’t do that in the main series
Because he need blue to do that, and if he does notnuse rct (basically red in term of physics) he instantly dies due to the cuts of the domain
Honestly i think his teleport cannot go past the barrier, even if its open
Its still a separate space
And his teleport is just gojo creating negative distance in space
The barrier of the domain also stops all the surehit slashes from going beyond the barrier despite those being projectiles so..
Makes sense that u might not be able to send ce trough the edge and might need to physical go trough it
Because he gets killed in less than a second if he doesn't use max RCT + simple domain
Just one point to make about sakuna grabbing gojo and beating him with the other arms,you can't grab him with infinity
With domain amplification bro😏
@@HeavyWeatherr This is honestly more likely to get Sukuna blasted by red since DA can’t nullify Red or Blue much(stated by Sukuna himself)
@@thesage7314Gojo is not doing shit while grabbed
@@RIP_ZYZZ1738 Why not
It can nullify it, it just cant kill all of the damage he might sustain@@thesage7314