I also got a 2022 350 slightly used and already set up by the original owner. He spent 19k on it and only put 122 miles on it. I paid 14.5 k though so not as good a deal as you got. Its a pretty amazing bike. Any time I ride it on the street it feels like I'm doing something illegal since it's really just a dirtbike with a plate. I would buy again since I'm also in SoCal and need a street legal bike.
I picked up a 22 500 EXC-F last year and dumped close to $9k into it in pretty similar mods, 0 complaints. It'll do hard enduro, it'll rip a fire road, it'll do a quick run down the highway if needed.... just can't beat it.
Exactly. Bought a 2023 new, told myself I was going to keep the upgrades budget friendly. That philosophy didn’t last long, loved the quiet of the stock exhaust, absolutely hated the power delivery. Went the taco route, best money I’ve ever spent
Great review and truly reflects the use case for a dual sport MC. I’m 20 to 30 miles from local fire roads and trails and having a plated bike for this use or to haul on the back of my van on camping trips means not having to worry about regional licensing requirements and having a KTM, Husky, or Beta means not having to compromise on performance. And yes the cost can be a huge factor for one of these brands but for those that it’s not you won’t regret it. I bought a Beta 390 as a retirement gift to myself and having a bike that’s 50lbs lighter makes a difference when picking up or loading for an old fart like me when compared to its mass market competitors.
This is the perfect bike to me. Living in Arizona this bike checks all of the boxes. Thanks for the rekluse clutch demo. Love your reviews and your honesty!
350cc’s on a dirt bike is huge, it’s hilarious that guys think they need more or can even handle more. Most riders on 450’s never even get close to the bikes full potential and are riding around hanging on for dear life. 350 is perfect
My friend has one and I rode it. That thing is more race ready then a ktm for sure. A bit too high strung for me but if you want the best out of the box bike for a experienced ride who is ready to rip that is the bike to get.
@@00mazone agreed. It needs next to nothing off the showroom floor, besides a seat and maybe suspension adjustments depending on your size/weight. Beta does a great job. The 390 really hits a unique sweet spot that other bikes don’t. It would be hard for me to decide between that and the 500, though for dual sporting.
@@BuckyUSA definitely an option. The RR-S is really good, depending on the type of off-road you’re wanting to tackle. No denying the KYB’s are the main difference there. But the trail tech, headlight and all the street legal features make the RR-S really sweet! I’d love a 500
@@IdahoDualSport208 hell yea. I want to start enduro and single track. I like 4 strokes, but it just has to be street legal. There just isn’t enough legal off road options where I live. I hear betas are better off the floor stock than KTM and husky but I could be way off there.
Love the 350 platform for more off-road dirt oriented riding. Howver, I believe the Husqvarna Fe450 is a better choice for dual sport. The short stroke 450 is revvey/fun like a 350, more flickable than a 500 but not quite like a 350, has the wider spaced transmission gearing like the 500, link suspension that allows for a wider range of tuning for weight changes. Fun fact: On the 350, I would swap between the 13 and 14 cs sproket with a 48 rear depending on amount of road or how gnarly the terrain. Flip the axel blocks and no chain adjustment needed.
My 19 husky 350 is a great old man bike. Uncorked and tuned, rekluse , Ox lh brake, stegs pegs, fatty front, gummy rear on mousses and Kreft moto suspension. The bike makes up for my almost complete lack of skill, and lets me have a heck of a lot of fun.
Great review, Ian, this is 100% my next DS bike. I have done the GS/GSA & recently a heavily modded 300L but I want a KTM 350 like yours and I will truck it to the trails which involve 120 miles of highway and I ain't doing that, even on the 300L 120 miles of highway was draining, especially the ride home :) My 300L was setup with Rally Raid suspension so I finally got a taste of what a lighter DS bike can do in rough terrain, the 350 at 30-40Kg lighter and more power would be incredible and confidence inspiring.
IAN, I'm a born again rider after a 35 year hiatus from riding so take what I say with that perspective. First, If KTM put this review on their website +hey'd double sales. I want one!! The volume of reviews and the qualify are unmatched. Yes I've become a youtube junky for both Adventure and dual sport reviews, riding, etc. I am or was considering the getting a lighter dual sport to improve off road skills and was looking at the Yamaha xt250 or a CRF300L. But after riding the Yamaha at the event in Mojave (April) it diffused my urge. Haven't ridden the crl300l yet. .... but now im obsessed with this KTM! Second, the ride reviews where you let laughter escape are the best. You're a machine....a robot with most of your reviews....all of which are really good. But those where you let your audience see how much fun you're having (with laughter) are the best.
The CRF300L and the KTM are both good bikes, just worlds apart. If you want to go fast and have $12,000 you want to spend, you can't beat the KTM. If you just want to have fun and spend less than half as much, buy the CRF300L.
Yeah. I did my '21 500 up similarly. I'm already $6k in add ons and upgrades on top of the bike's original sticker price. But man is it a beast. Far better than I'll ever be able to ride to its potential. Gonna keep it as long as I can.
It needs to be said that IF u bought a 20 year old DRZ for $4k and spent the same $1k on performance mods as u did the ECU for the KTM, it blows the pants off the 350 in power. AND it still wouldnt need a top end rebuild in your or my lifetime. Thats the big difference. Knowing u can thrash your bike 100 miles every weekend for half of your adult life, or trade in your new KTM every 2 years to avoid expensive rebuilds. Theres those of us still riding XR's, WR's and DRZ's and then theres those of you buying new KTM's and having them serviced at the dealer like a Harley Davidson with knobbie's. We aint the same LOL
You can adjust the Rekluse so it won't freewheel on downhills. On my 350 I went to the lightest springs in the EXP disk and it never disengaged on downhills unless I pulled in the clutch.
Once the '24 500 EXCs arrive and things settle down a bit (bugs worked out) that'll have a spot in my garage for sure. Won't blink twice at the $ - motorcycles are a lifelong passion of mine and WAY more constructive towards my well being than other things / experiences I could spend money on...
One should never apologise for the way one addresses the trail; one does what is enjoyable, and prudent, for oneself, and to häll with those who cast nasturtiums. I would have gone up that gnarly little trail, but I am at a different stage in my journey, with a different perspective. Each to their own. Just enjoy the trip. Have to say I am envious of the trails you ride - open and interesting and hilly, without too much of a boring transit to get there and back again, love it, and the camera work is crisp and sharp, so thanks for that. As to the humble steed - the tricked out KTM, what a great bike! I have always enjoyed riding them and I think they make me a better rider, willing to attack things I otherwise wouldn't. Kudos for the tutorial on the recluse clutch, I now know way more than before - they have always puzzled me, wondering what they actually did for the rider. You are the first one I have come across who actually told me. Cheers :) ...
Several people in this comment section, are bitching about intervals on KTM's. Now granted...my bikes are old, carb bikes. My 2002 520 exc, and 06 450 exc, which I bought new. Have only had top end jobs. 520 has 27k miles, 450 has 31k miles. Don't ride them overly hard, but don't baby them either. I regularly go a bit overtime, on service. But still take good care of them, but not obsessive. I ride a lot of long dual sport rides, and have not seen any more broken KTM's, than any brand bikes, along the routes. There are a certain percentage of riders, who just want to compain about...whatever they don't ride. Throwing a lot of money at ANY bike, is mostly a personal thing. I don't feel the need to do it....personally, but appreciate the input, of those who do. On the subject of throwing a TON of money at a bike.... and a TON of expensive doodads, and accessories.....let's talk about the Harley Bros. LOL
Hands down best motorcycle reviewer yet! Right on! Been off Dirt for 15 years and your reviews help me out a ton! Going new 500 orange vs 501 blue in the next month or so. Thanks for the objective and very detailed reviews! Huge Help! Cheers!
Fantastic video!! I currently have 2 300 2strokes and im planning on swapping one of them for a dual sport. I was looking into the 390 adv but after seeing this video, now in leaning towards a 350 exc f. I mainly do gnarly single track, but Im planning on expanding my riding areas and a dual sport seems to be the way to go.
My 2023 KTM 350 EXC-F build is similar to yours. From nearly 60 years of riding motorcycles and from where I live in remote CO, this is the best dual sport bike for me. Having 4 large Macaw companions limits my abilities to travel or participate in the awesome BDR's all over the USA, but given how each of the BDR's seem to have technical areas that are simply too difficult for medium/large adventure bikes for those riding solo like myself, my solution would be to have a driver transport the birds/supplies in a large van for each leg of the BDR. After changing ECU, exhaust, removing airbox reeds, the 350 is nearly similar in power to KTM 500's previously owned, yet provides me with a lighter feel and incredible off-road riding, even in the most technical of terrain. My 2017 KTM 1090 R is perfect for high speed pavement rides to easier off-road adventures, but would really be too much for me in technical trails seen in BDR rides. Thanks Rick for another awesome adventure video! Have you had a chance to ride the Kove 450 Rally yet? From what I have seen on YT videos, that is the PERFECT dual sport bike ever designed our built, and at least for now, insanely affordable!
I wouldn't call the 350 similar in power to the 500... The 350 is more like a 250 but with more power. Not strange as the engine platform is the same. The 500 is more like a 450 but with a bit more torque, not strange as it's the same engine platform as the 450. Totally different engine character, and yeah in means of peak power the 350 aproaches the 450/500 power.
That is about the same KTM as I have, a 2022 EXCF 350, but mine isn't as equipped as yours, though the shop did take some weird items out of the muffler, and removed some hoses around the engine. I think they also did some retuning on the ESC to make it 'richer'. Then they told me ".. now you can win the championships on this bike", it should have about 40 HP compared to factory release, we also have those silly limitiations on new bikes here in Sweden.
I have an 06 525 exc and love the versatility of cruising the highways to the trails. Things a beast, but its power is very approachable till I grab a handful, then it's game on!
Great review. I've not ridden an EXCF 350. I have ridden the EXCF 500 (Dad owns one) and countless other bikes, I've owned the 690, KLR650, and XT250. I started riding at 13, and I'm not an expert, but I agree a DRZ400 will do 90% of what the ECXF 350 will do, but not as fast. DRZ400S, 3x3 mod, new air filter, cheap pipe, jet kit, suspension for your weight, new tires, lose the kick stand switch, and clutch switch, USB charger for gadgets, short wind deflector, aftermarket headlight, new front YZ250 fender to look cool, rear tail tidy. Bike looks great and performs very well and depending on parts you choose, you're looking at $8-$9k (if you buy good parts) total. Even less if you buy a slightly used bike. But I don't have a 6th gear..... for the riding most folks do, and even some highway runs, you can't beat it for the cost. And you gotta have more than just 1 bike. DRZ400s, Tenere 700, and a dedicated street bike FTW.
I have a FE350s resprung, revalved and it is my go too basecamp riding. Take the truck and tent to a fun long loop, leave in the morning, get back in the afternoon. I try to stick to 80% offroad (Fire roads, double/single track) on it. I went this route because I don't want to burn 120-200 miles on the road due to the shorter maintenance intervals. Exhaust mod + Map/ECU must haves (I see the GET map switch there!) maybe 13T front if you are going on the slower side. Only negative so far....I don't like dealing with how most of the skid plates attach, it's a bigger PITA than it could be. Such a good bike
The most interesting thing about this video is, the first bike that came to your mind for comparison, the twenty year old DRZ400. A bike that can be purchased all day, every day for about three grand. It's really eye opening to even think that it could even be in the same conversation. But, as you pointed out, it will do 80-90% of what that $18,000 will do. And, it's very likely that the DRZ will do 100% of what that bike can, for 70-80% who buy the premium brands. Another eye opener is how similar these bike look without the bodywork on them. And how similar the geometry is. Another interesting thing here is the way this particular bike is set up. I'd be curious to see it on the scale. In it's current trim, it looks like it might weigh nearly as much as a DRZ400. Nice job, with the review. Definitely gives people something to think about.
Another thing is the drz's ive ridden feel fine at 80 or 85 with stock gearing. With a flyscreen I could ride highway all day if needed. Not too much vibration from the engine even though its sittin at 8k rpm, which is fine for a piston with a 62mm stroke. He said his exc gets uncomfortable or buzzy after 55. 80 percent the bike in the dirt, twice the bike on the road. The true undefeated dual sport champion.
@@MrDavidfuchser Well, to be fair, a DRZ geared like his KTM 14/50 probably won't be much different on the street. And at the same time, 14/50 will make the DRZ nearly as peppy as his KTM for the dirt. I'm biased toward the Suzuki because I'm older and cheap. And can't use either one to its fullest potential.
@lukenukem6920 Low mileage is usually a good thing. However, with the DRZ, 700 or 7000 miles almost don't matter. Both bikes will still give you many more miles of riding. I've seen very nice examples with under 5000 miles for 3-4k. But, if $6500 isn't going to break the bank. And you plan on keeping the bike for a while, go for it. With just 700 miles, it probably looks like a brand new bike.
I have a 21 350 EXC-F. It's my only dirt bike (Tuareg 660 too) so it does a little of everything for me. If you can only have one then the 350 is great. For Dual Sporting I'd rather have a 500. Ideally a 500 and 300 2 stroke, but that takes funds. Over 2 years I've probably put 18k into, doing most of what you,ve done to yours.
I have the '16 version. One point to say maybe Recluse isn't absolutely necessary is that the stock clutch is fantastically light and progressive. As in one finger modulation on the way up a big hill. My son runs a Recluse on his 350 XCF offroad race bike, and he claims mine is just as easy to ride. I'm a 62 YO very average rider, but the clutch on the EXCF has transformed my riding in the tight trails we have up here in WI. Also, right on about oil change intervals. I'm an ex-valve train chief engineer. Stress on oil is from revs load. Trail riding, even for advanced guys is just proportionally less stress. I'd be more worried about air filters. Keep that puppy spotless on the inside and your valves and rings will last. I put a pool filter sock over mine. Same as the moto branded ones but like a buck each on our fav online mega-retailer.
So it is a keeper!! I have the same bike, same year, but in 250cc (I tried side to side the 250 and the 350 and just liked more the throttle response and the engine brake on the 250; migh depend on the fact I'm small and lightweight!!). We are lucky enough in Italy that despite the regulation, bikes are delivered with no lambda sensor nor all this sh*** so it's a huge cost recovery. I'm loving it, it's the most agile bike I've ever ridden, it's plenty of power (way more than I will ever need), loving it! I'll have the suspension done soon as the springs don't even feel that I'm on the bike, but for the rest, there is nothing to tune or mod unless for personal preference. Maybe fitting the Tubliss system. It will stay with me for long years!
CRF450L fo LIFE! Just kidding. I have the Honda, tried my buddies KTM 500 and immediately wanted to get back on my Honda. I don't do much singletrack so the weight savings of the KTM are wasted on me. I prefer faster straighter dirt riding. I can ride the Honda on the street at 70mph for a couple of hours easily, even on the freeway if necessary. Thats what I call a dual sport. My KTM buddy was in agony recently on a trip where I was comfortable throughout.
I've had an 02 DRZ S model since 2006. Is it capable? Yes. It's great for all day riding on fire roads. I've trail ridden it a lot too, but my 2019 450 EXC-F is much more fun (and less work) to trail ride than my DRZ.
Thank you for the video and you are spot on. I just wish you had published it back it in 2013 when I bought my 500 EXC. At least I would have known what I was getting myself into. Ran like crap right off the dealership floor. After a couple of years I finally had it up to my expectations with about as much done to it as you have done to yours. I now have over 300 hours and 10K miles and would not settle for anything else. I've even thought of buying a new one but know I would have to do the same mods again to make it great. I'll just keep riding what I have as long as that big smile continues. It's the best!
Good review 👍. Had 3 x 500 EXC and i changed oil every 20 hours (Motorex 1.25L) and clean air filters after every ride. All bikes lasted 700 hours / 38,000km without needed valve adjustments. My only advise loose the rekluse clutch. So much better using the OEM clutch for technical. Cheers
Totally disagree, the Rekluse is the best and strongest clutch there is, and makes technical trails easier and safer. I would not ride a dual sport bike without one.
@@MacawAviculture ok but not automatic one. And that’s what he has on this bike. If you want to improve your skills you need to be able to know how to slip your clutch as Jarvis said many many times. But for older riders the automatic rekluse might come handy
@@mototrailz we all have different opinions on everything. I have a Rekluse auto clutch on my 2023 KTM 350 EXC-F and my 2017 KTM 1090 R. I am 71 and began riding at 15, but mostly sport bikes up Angeles Crest Highway and Ortega Highway in SoCA. Each year my riding buddy and I would load our bikes in the back of my van and spend 10 days road racing all over Tioga Road to Yosemite, or out Highway 46 from Lee Vining to Benton. That was back in the 1980's before all the people discovered these awesome areas like today. In 1994 I moved to CO and began riding KTM 350/500 off-road enduro bikes, but quickly discovered I do not have the same skill level off-road compared to pavement. After installing my first Rekluse on my 2013 KTM 250 XCW I really enjoyed the increased feeling of safety on steep hills and over technical trails, so when buying a new bike, installing a Rekluse and Scott's steering damper are done at the dealer before I pick up the bike.
Love this bike. But talking about KTM : do you get the new Kove 450 Rally in the US anytime soon? And what are your thoughts on it in terms of bang for the buck?
Couple of comments, the Rekluse will also mute that power of a bike. Used them on a couple of dirt bikes FE350 and a Beta 300RR, now ride without one and happier without it. The Rekluse got me over a learning curve, now I have a Clake One on my dirtbike and the easier pull and lever shape allows me to use the clutch all day without fatigue. Not a big KTM/Husky fan but did pick up a very lightly used 22 350 EXC-F, just like the BRM, and like him, I also am liking the bike for what it is. Gearing was 14-52 which was pretty buzzy at highway speeds and still had a very low 1st gear and good 2nd / 3rd for slower riding. I had a 50 tooth so, giving that a go, 1st should still be low enough for what I want. I haven't done any work to uncork mine as yet, but may do the charcoal cannister removal, get the Pro moto billet end cap. Not certain on if I need an aftermarket ECU or piggyback tuner or not.
I sold my 22 350 EXCF and got the 23 300 XC tbi (and I live in CA). Zero regrets, minus the ability to ride in some areas. I also never ride on the street. The 22 was my favorite looking of all the KTMs, but I got annoyed at the soft suspension, lack of power for big hill climbs, constant stalling and clutch hand fatigue in the super tight single track in the Sierras. By the time I factor in suspension, exhaust (not cap in case I needed to sell), athena get, rekluse, LHRB and maybe a clake clutch, I was looking at another 6k+ to make the bike do what I wanted, on top of the nearly 2k I spent on the 13k bike already at that point.
I've had a 2021 Husky FE501 (sold it because the vibrations were brutal). Replaced it with a 2022 350EXC. It really is a good bike, vibrations are much less than the 500, but, it really has a hard time finding what it is, IMO. It sucks on pavement if your trails are more than 30 minutes away. It does great on fire and forest roads, but again, nit fun getting to them. Then, on single track there 300XCW would be FAR superior. So I got to the point of, if Im riding single track, just trailer a XCW since the EXC sucks on the road, and then isn't as fun in single track. Sold the EXC and got a CRF450RL. LOVE it. So much better on pavement, much more power (uncorked) and perfect for forest and fire roads. Can do single track, but again, the XCW is the better bike. For long distance touring, I take the Tenere 700. The 350EXC is a great bike, just has a bit of an identity problem. I'd own one again though if I found one cheap, it is a hoot.
In regards to seat height, I ride a 23 Husky 501 and I’m 5’6 (29 inch inseam) and love it. They say the Husky is about 1/2 in shorter than the KTM and although it took me a bit to get used to the height, after setting the sag it’s definitely rideable for someone at 5’6, just have to slide to one side or the other to stop. If you’re a shorter rider with at least a 29 inch inseam, don’t be scared of the seat height.
28” inseam and Currently have a CRF300LS. I would love to get the KTM 350 as my next bike but pretty unsure did to seat height. But good to hear that someone with a 29” can handle it.
A great review as usual. I purchased a used 2021 500 with a lot of the same mods +. Like the 350 you reviewed, it's a fantastic bike. Massive jump from my XR650L.
I love my old 09 WR250R with its tall Seat Concepts seat, heated grips, simple fueling tuner, GORace suspension. Smooth and comfortable dual sport that can actually do a lot of high speed road riding. And it cost me so little that I don’t feel bad when I bash it and abuse it on the trails. And being a Yamaha, it just keeps going with minimal maintenance.
I have an 01 WR 426 that I'm trying to restore and convert to a dual sport. I would like a newer WR 450 that's already ready to go. yamaha's are very reliable with minimal maintenance. that's why I like them
@@1979utuber yeah. They really can take a beating. I bought mine used from a kid that had looped it. Only cost me $1900 CDN and buying a tail tidy. Threw on a new chain and sprockets as well since the ones on it were roaches with all his wheelie attempts? Lol. Years of bouncing off trees, hitting rocks and sinking it in mud and water crossings, long highway rides in freezing weather and the heat of the summer. Somehow it just takes it. Just recently I was bending a stock foot peg back into some semblance of its original shape. The plastics look like Frankenstein with stainless wire stitching. Think the bike is due some love and some nice IMS foot pegs. And it needs the larger 3 gallon tank too.. Couple years ago I sold the KTM200EXC I had when I realized how capable the WR250R is on singletrack. Not as fast or exciting, but I can ride longer, further, and through the same terrain. I hope they come out with a replacement by the time I manage to kill it.
After this excellent review I’m happy that I ordered new husky 350 pro. Now the line is ok with 24 KTM 250exc and 2019 beta 430rr. But I will sell the Beta. I came this point in one year after gs1250 and bought 690R after that a long trip with Duc DesertX. None of them made me satisfied. I needed more freedom to choose my path. I’m looking forward to be delivered my new husky and Ktm. ❤
Hi Ian I have a honda vtr1000f firestorm and I recently bought a suzuki gn 250 that I'm turning into a scrambler I can say that people's reaction was surprising why would a 50 year old adult do that, people only think about greatness and by the way congratulations on the bike i think it is the ideal motorcycle for off road
Ian do a review of the Husky FE 501 it’s a much better proposition than the 350 as a lightweight ADV bike. It needs a Cush drive, and more engine oil - then it’s sublime
KTM bikes truly are the best. "Race ready," for sure. BUT! The diminishing returns on price to performance is the worst. 200% increase in cost for a 5% improvement on top end capacity...🤔 Bro... I'll just buy 3 Hondas so me and two of my mates can all ride together. 🙃🙂
Great vid and awesome bike. After years on an 09 ktm 450 exc-f it was time to retire that bike and I went with the 350. My initial ride was a disappointment, for a very fixable issue. I used my 450 for 10 day baja rides, a few of the BDR's and loved the fact that the minute I found the hwy, that 450 could keep up with any traffic at any speed. The 350, OMG, cruising, realistically at 50mph was an over revving nightmare. So, simply switched out the gearing and like your bike, 60mph is an achievable ride. And off road its still a dirt bike. Buy this bike, just do not leave the shop with out different gearing. cheers.
I went with the CRF450L over the KTM because it didn’t have the harsh vibration as the 500 EXC-F I tried. I think the price for the relative smoothness of the Honda shows itself in the extra weight. I have a CRF250RX that I was able to get plated for connecting technical single track and the CRF450L for more light adventure riding whenever I’ll be on pavement for any more than a couple miles at a time. But it’s definitely NOT a road bike. I was on the EveRide adventure ride in June and had to leave early due to a family illness. I had to ride the CRF450L about 250 miles back to St. George on pavement. With all the fuel stops I had to make it took about six hours. That was one of the toughest rides I’ve ever done, and I did an Iron Butt saddle sore 1,000 mile ride on a stock KLR650 in 18 hours! I think the only ride I’ve ever done that was physically more brutal than 250 highway miles on the CRF450L was a 960 mile ride on a Ural in less than 24 hours.
I have an older 525 I love, one of the neighbors brought over the Husky 350 with all the same stuff you have. Man I loved that bike. He was selling at a steal because he was moving and I already had 4 other bikes in the garage that I would not sell like a set up 2001 CR 250 I bought brand new. I kick myself daily for not dropping the $$ for that 350. It for sure would have been a replacement for the 525. Nice review, and I am 100% with you. “If” you can afford it, get it. But for the same amount of money most will probably buy a boomer barge and all of us will have to help pick the damn thing up every half a mile in a lame BDR, 😂.
I had Husky 501 and now own a KTM 500. I liked the Husky’s suspension better. The KTM has a large following and getting parts and doing modifications is much better.
great video, very informative and objective. I had a 350 a couple of years ago and traded for a husky 250 two stroke. I do mostly single track so I am a litle undecided. My other bike is a T7 so the 350 has better overlap. Now I feel I have an empty spot for overnight duasport offroad with technical terrain. This video is helping me in my decision
I am considering a 350 EXC at this time, to hone my off road skills have been away for Long time just doing road. Have a GS 1250 but need something smaller to work on my skills. Would like to add all the things you did but that will take awhile. Great content thanks
I’m so over my 500 just because it’s too heavy for technical riding which I always end up over my head. So difficult to turn around sometimes. My 300 2 stroke wears me out so much! Both my bikes have so much money put into them but would rather have a 350 street legal like you instead of trying to decide which bike to bring. Love the handlebar bag! I also don’t like the typical tank bag as I feel like it’s in the way and you got to deal with the front straps which is annoying
Looking at one of these as my next bike. Started with a KTM 125SX in 2008, then moved to a Yamaha R6 10 years later and my latest bike the is KTM 1190 Adventure. Now looking at a 350 EXC-F next, almost full circle it seems.
If your seat is too hard on any dirt bike A) your not in riding dirt, as you should be more on top of the tank. B) your sitting too much over bumps. C) your glutes are lacking muscle. Likely some combination of all of the above. Stop bothering us with this as a KTM complaint. I see seat cushions on every high $ GS bike. I think the 500 is better for desert trail riding in the West or as a lightweight ADV bike. 350 works too if you are a lighter 130lb rider. Ian's bike needs the real traction control knob and mask extension for that level of build. Skip the Reklus, learn clutch control for hill hold, double blipping over obstacles and loading up the flywheel. Watch IRC on clutch skill drills.
Enjoy your videos, they have down to earth commentary. I just ordered the Husky FE350 before seeing this video, we can't get many duel sport bikes registered here in Thailand. So it was this or the KTM or a 230 Kawasaki. I have and😅 ride my R1250GS on big rides, its great for certain trips. My Ducati desert X is fun but heavy and really too hot for the tropics! I was keen to get a lighter bike. Loading it on my trailer should be a breeze, can't wait to ride it.😊
I lived and worked in SoCal for 20 years and never road a four-stroke. I have plenty of friends with KTM's, A better choice to build the ultimate duel sport would be the Beta 390. More reliable, better build quality. No need for all the extras you put on the KTM. Lots of them are for sale because the old timers that bought them aren't ready for the lightweight and power.
I bought the ‘23 FE350, for fire tracks and mountain gravel tracks, and so far haven’t regretted it at all. Vastly easier than the 701, and you are right that the weight means you have no fear of taking it anywhere, even with my less than moderate skill levels. Absolutely love it……and have explored so much further! 👍👍 I’d recommend anyone who can have a separate bike for these purposes, then go as light as possible……and if you get one of these you won’t miss the power
I have 2016 701 & FE350. I entirely agree with Alan. 2 good friends have chopped in their 701s for 500Exc, neither regrets it for off road and technical adventure. The 701 is mighty tall though. I'm 183 cm (6 feet) tall and I've had to take 25mm off the height.
@@IdahoDualSport208 yes….. My ego wanted a 501, but I realised the biggest problem I have on the mountain fire tracks is slowing down before going off the edge, and plummeting 1000ft down the mountain side 😃. In a weird way, as I’ve already got a 996, V4s multi, and 701 in the garage, the 350 seemed more extreme in terms of giving a bigger spread of capability.
@@TheIdlesurfer the 701 is still almost unbeatable on tight mountain tarmac isn’t it. I couldn’t face selling it, as I knew I’d miss it, but wanted something really well balanced for the dirt and gravel.
@@alanprice9938 oh that makes more sense with a lineup like that. I thought you replaced the 701 with the 350! The 500 can almost cover both bases, minus some of the on road comfort you can get on the 701.
Nice review. Now were talking similar bikes to what I have. I think the 350cc motor is the best for a four stroke off road. However I am fortunate to be able to plate a Yamaha 2023 WR450F. The only issue with this bike is the fuel tank which is 2.2 gallons. These new Yamaha's are extremely good handling bikes. And I gotta say that my 450 actually feels lighter then my 350 out on the trail pretty amazing for a 450. Not trying to say the yamaha's are better. They are a good option, and cheaper than the European bikes. My son's 2023 WR250F is the best 250 four stroke I have ridden period. Handles like a two stroke on fast flowing single track. If you ever get a chance you gotta take a spin on one of these bikes. Thanks for the review on the 350. It truly is one of the best d/s bikes money can buy.
What a masterpiece. If I could afford one, I’d like to add the bigger fuel tank, and a windshield, or a rally tower, so you get the wind protection and a spot to mount a gps. That just might be my dream bike...
Often though, If I had the cash, the 350 would be my choice. I don't need the power of the 500 unless I found one cheap and low Km. Slow speed turns is when I drop it, there is a hole under the grass, or I stall it. Peddling backwards when they're tall is hard work. Nice bike, but I'll have to stick with my KLX400e for now & yes, I will spend the money for suspension eventually, most important. Be using my new RE450 more often now, except for running down to the shops. They will both outlast me, I thinks.
I'm (newbie) puzzled by something you said in this video (around 25:50). You said: "Check the valves every hundred hours or so." "It's not designed to put 5-10,000 miles on in a year." "This is not the kind of motorcycle you should be riding, frankly. " I don't follow the logic here. If I ride trails for fun at an average speed of 30 mph, it will take me about 250 hours to ride 7,500 miles (chilling approx. 150 miles a week). That means just 2-3 valve checks a year, according to what you said. So why not ride this bike if I am riding 5-10,000 miles a year for leisure, not for race? Thanks!
The oil change recommendation is also due to the small oil capacity. I changed mine every 15 hours, per manual. Race bikes are more like every 5 / after each race. Valves I didn't plan on checking until 100.
Thanks for sharing this video review. Never riden anything like this. I have a Gen. 1 SDR 16 that I love. This would be fun to explore offroad. Cost more than my SDR and its loaded.
Thanks for the great review. I have a 500 exc-f 2022 and I am holding from doing most of the mods you described because I am wondering if buying the new factory rally Fantic or the Kove would be a much better deal in terms of bike that can handle everything up to a rally race and money. What do you think? Thanks.
There must be something wrong with me because I HATE doing 60mph on any motorcycle on the highway even if it is just to get to a place to ride offroad. LOL it just ruins my day. Maybe its why I dont ride offroad much anymore. My 690 has no trouble doing 75 (and more) of course the price of that is not having a "real dirtbike" when I finally get to the chosen offroad route...as you have stated there are no unicorns you have to give up one thing to get another...it is frustrating especially tires. Mostly I think? I give up lol ....Im mostly doing twisty roads on hypersport tires with 165hp these days OR an all day tour involving hundreds of miles ...not choking on dust not jarring my nearly 70 year old body. I did so want a KTM street legal dirt bike but never happened sadly and I really think it is too late oh well
The KTM/Husky 350 bikes are awesome. No comparison from anything else on the market, Beta is close. Japanese dual sport bikes are not close. You could enter that bike in an enduro or harescramble and set up suspension and you can compete and win. then ride it home and smile with your trophy
I'm not a good enough off road rider to need a bike like this and I don't have the money to sink into it. I do have a KLX250s which definitely satisfies my dirt bike itch but I spend about 90% of my time on road and mostly on a CB500x, but I also have a HD Road King in the garage for backup when I feel like riding a heavy loud monster.
Can you stop referring to spending money on motorcycles and gear as an “investment”. Those expenses are not an investment, they are a loss. Investments are supposed to provide a profit.
If a fella had an idea in their head that they may want to do a little cross country racing as well as commuting to and from work and also later down the road maybe some adventure wiring including some decent highway distance to and from locations, would you suggest the 450 over the 359? Mainly for the longer highway runs?
I had the DRZ and it’s absolutely no comparison to the 350 exc f. The KTM stock is So Much better. I have the 2020 KTM 350exc f uncorked and it’s incredible. The DRZ is fun and somewhat capable but the KTM is in a totally different universe.
300l is not off road lol. Different if riding slow AF. The 350 does both well. CRF 300l is border line dangerous when pushing off road, not too mention 40kg heavier
@@jamesgeorgevellavella1961so what your saying is you don’t recommend me trying to qualify for The Erzbergrodeo on my 300L? 🤣 Relax, I have a ‘22 Husky Te300i. 🏍️💨 But don’t he confused. With new suspension the 300L will do any DUAL SPORT (not hard enduro) ride 97% of the people riding it want to do. And at $5500. I know CAUSE I do it.
So i believe the clutch is called Ra-kluse like the brown recluse spider. Not rec-less. P.S. I saw you at the adventure fast in SD. I didn't get a chance to say hi, but, it was nice seeing you there supporting the adventure bike family.
Hmm - my 2020 Husky equivalent, all stock is certainly muted power wise but tolerable fueling and no flame outs. Despite all the comments regarding KTM reliability my KTM/Husky dual sport bikes have been bulletproof.
36:00 now im not arguing but on ktm950 adv specifically i did some experimenting with that in the past and had exactly opposite effect - the more i loaded the front the more it wanted to tuck, i loeaded the rear and it was more tail happy. it behaved the best when u weight netural, normal position. I think 950 is front heavy so maye tahts why. I have to experiment with that also on my AT now, but my front on AT grabs so well that i dont feel the need to do anything really ; not a single time front end let go so badly to make me fall, at least not on dry stuff. 1.5-1.7bar upfront and it grip like mad offroad despite 90/10 tire ;
Excellent and enjoyable review Ian. I think a lot has to do with where you live and how you get to your trails. Trailer, ride dual sport or dirt bike? I'm fortunate to be able to ride from my garage to single track here in Utah.
That scenery is awesome. Is the old Route 66 somewhere nearby perhaps? It's just that kind of riding makes me want to move to Colorado, or whatever state has the best offroad laws, it looks you're having so much fun, my stomach aches.
Well... would you ever consider sinking $18,000 into a dual sport motorcycle? Let me know below.
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Yeah I would. My Crf450RL cost at least $15,000.
My 450rl cost 15000$ ca with tx and add 4000$ extras on
Yep.
I also got a 2022 350 slightly used and already set up by the original owner. He spent 19k on it and only put 122 miles on it. I paid 14.5 k though so not as good a deal as you got. Its a pretty amazing bike. Any time I ride it on the street it feels like I'm doing something illegal since it's really just a dirtbike with a plate. I would buy again since I'm also in SoCal and need a street legal bike.
@@michelmartel7050 yeah I stopped counting at $15,000 and I haven’t even done the ECU yet. 😁
Enjoy! 🏍️💨
I picked up a 22 500 EXC-F last year and dumped close to $9k into it in pretty similar mods, 0 complaints. It'll do hard enduro, it'll rip a fire road, it'll do a quick run down the highway if needed.... just can't beat it.
500 is unbeatable - really is
Yup zero complaints, "23 500 exc-f, get ecu (taco moto maps) + akrapovic + twin air powerflow
Exactly. Bought a 2023 new, told myself I was going to keep the upgrades budget friendly. That philosophy didn’t last long, loved the quiet of the stock exhaust, absolutely hated the power delivery. Went the taco route, best money I’ve ever spent
@@ogasi1798 What are the cons of 530 and 525?
@@Kingsize001100 old
Great review and truly reflects the use case for a dual sport MC. I’m 20 to 30 miles from local fire roads and trails and having a plated bike for this use or to haul on the back of my van on camping trips means not having to worry about regional licensing requirements and having a KTM, Husky, or Beta means not having to compromise on performance.
And yes the cost can be a huge factor for one of these brands but for those that it’s not you won’t regret it. I bought a Beta 390 as a retirement gift to myself and having a bike that’s 50lbs lighter makes a difference when picking up or loading for an old fart like me when compared to its mass market competitors.
This is the perfect bike to me. Living in Arizona this bike checks all of the boxes. Thanks for the rekluse clutch demo. Love your reviews and your honesty!
350cc’s on a dirt bike is huge, it’s hilarious that guys think they need more or can even handle more. Most riders on 450’s never even get close to the bikes full potential and are riding around hanging on for dear life. 350 is perfect
I think a Beta 390 needs to enter the conversation.
My friend has one and I rode it. That thing is more race ready then a ktm for sure. A bit too high strung for me but if you want the best out of the box bike for a experienced ride who is ready to rip that is the bike to get.
@@00mazone agreed. It needs next to nothing off the showroom floor, besides a seat and maybe suspension adjustments depending on your size/weight. Beta does a great job. The 390 really hits a unique sweet spot that other bikes don’t. It would be hard for me to decide between that and the 500, though for dual sporting.
Been thinking about a 390 RR race and making it street legal.
@@BuckyUSA definitely an option. The RR-S is really good, depending on the type of off-road you’re wanting to tackle. No denying the KYB’s are the main difference there. But the trail tech, headlight and all the street legal features make the RR-S really sweet! I’d love a 500
@@IdahoDualSport208 hell yea. I want to start enduro and single track. I like 4 strokes, but it just has to be street legal. There just isn’t enough legal off road options where I live. I hear betas are better off the floor stock than KTM and husky but I could be way off there.
Love the 350 platform for more off-road dirt oriented riding. Howver, I believe the Husqvarna Fe450 is a better choice for dual sport. The short stroke 450 is revvey/fun like a 350, more flickable than a 500 but not quite like a 350, has the wider spaced transmission gearing like the 500, link suspension that allows for a wider range of tuning for weight changes.
Fun fact: On the 350, I would swap between the 13 and 14 cs sproket with a 48 rear depending on amount of road or how gnarly the terrain. Flip the axel blocks and no chain adjustment needed.
My 19 husky 350 is a great old man bike. Uncorked and tuned, rekluse , Ox lh brake, stegs pegs, fatty front, gummy rear on mousses and Kreft moto suspension. The bike makes up for my almost complete lack of skill, and lets me have a heck of a lot of fun.
Love it when Ian cackles with joy while riding. The best.
Great review, Ian, this is 100% my next DS bike. I have done the GS/GSA & recently a heavily modded 300L but I want a KTM 350 like yours and I will truck it to the trails which involve 120 miles of highway and I ain't doing that, even on the 300L 120 miles of highway was draining, especially the ride home :) My 300L was setup with Rally Raid suspension so I finally got a taste of what a lighter DS bike can do in rough terrain, the 350 at 30-40Kg lighter and more power would be incredible and confidence inspiring.
IAN,
I'm a born again rider after a 35 year hiatus from riding so take what I say with that perspective.
First, If KTM put this review on their website +hey'd double sales. I want one!!
The volume of reviews and the qualify are unmatched. Yes I've become a youtube junky for both Adventure and dual sport reviews, riding, etc.
I am or was considering the getting a lighter dual sport to improve off road skills and was looking at the Yamaha xt250 or a CRF300L. But after riding the Yamaha at the event in Mojave (April) it diffused my urge. Haven't ridden the crl300l yet. .... but now im obsessed with this KTM!
Second, the ride reviews where you let laughter escape are the best. You're a machine....a robot with most of your reviews....all of which are really good. But those where you let your audience see how much fun you're having (with laughter) are the best.
The CRF300L and the KTM are both good bikes, just worlds apart. If you want to go fast and have $12,000 you want to spend, you can't beat the KTM. If you just want to have fun and spend less than half as much, buy the CRF300L.
@@SB-fe4gt but crf300l is too heavy for single track
Yeah. I did my '21 500 up similarly. I'm already $6k in add ons and upgrades on top of the bike's original sticker price. But man is it a beast. Far better than I'll ever be able to ride to its potential. Gonna keep it as long as I can.
It needs to be said that IF u bought a 20 year old DRZ for $4k and spent the same $1k on performance mods as u did the ECU for the KTM, it blows the pants off the 350 in power. AND it still wouldnt need a top end rebuild in your or my lifetime. Thats the big difference. Knowing u can thrash your bike 100 miles every weekend for half of your adult life, or trade in your new KTM every 2 years to avoid expensive rebuilds. Theres those of us still riding XR's, WR's and DRZ's and then theres those of you buying new KTM's and having them serviced at the dealer like a Harley Davidson with knobbie's. We aint the same LOL
You can adjust the Rekluse so it won't freewheel on downhills. On my 350 I went to the lightest springs in the EXP disk and it never disengaged on downhills unless I pulled in the clutch.
Oh that’s great! Hope he sees this post
I did the same - perfect.
Yes, mine doesn’t freewheel either. Love it.
My yz250fx was setup the same way. I just didn't like the auto clutch overall for more technical stuff.
27:39 I agree, that’s trail is tough, if travelling alone…. Don’t worry about what viewers think. 👍🏻
Once the '24 500 EXCs arrive and things settle down a bit (bugs worked out) that'll have a spot in my garage for sure. Won't blink twice at the $ - motorcycles are a lifelong passion of mine and WAY more constructive towards my well being than other things / experiences I could spend money on...
2024's look very nice.... must not look
💯 😊
One should never apologise for the way one addresses the trail; one does what is enjoyable, and prudent, for oneself, and to häll with those who cast nasturtiums. I would have gone up that gnarly little trail, but I am at a different stage in my journey, with a different perspective. Each to their own. Just enjoy the trip. Have to say I am envious of the trails you ride - open and interesting and hilly, without too much of a boring transit to get there and back again, love it, and the camera work is crisp and sharp, so thanks for that. As to the humble steed - the tricked out KTM, what a great bike! I have always enjoyed riding them and I think they make me a better rider, willing to attack things I otherwise wouldn't. Kudos for the tutorial on the recluse clutch, I now know way more than before - they have always puzzled me, wondering what they actually did for the rider. You are the first one I have come across who actually told me. Cheers :) ...
Several people in this comment section, are bitching about intervals on KTM's.
Now granted...my bikes are old, carb bikes.
My 2002 520 exc, and 06 450 exc, which I bought new.
Have only had top end jobs.
520 has 27k miles, 450 has 31k miles.
Don't ride them overly hard, but don't baby them either.
I regularly go a bit overtime, on service.
But still take good care of them, but not obsessive.
I ride a lot of long dual sport rides, and have not seen any more broken KTM's, than any brand bikes, along the routes.
There are a certain percentage of riders, who just want to compain about...whatever they don't ride.
Throwing a lot of money at ANY bike, is mostly a personal thing.
I don't feel the need to do it....personally, but appreciate the input, of those who do.
On the subject of throwing a TON of money at a bike.... and a TON of expensive doodads, and accessories.....let's talk about the Harley Bros. LOL
Hands down best motorcycle reviewer yet! Right on! Been off Dirt for 15 years and your reviews help me out a ton! Going new 500 orange vs 501 blue in the next month or so. Thanks for the objective and very detailed reviews! Huge Help!
Cheers!
Fantastic video!! I currently have 2 300 2strokes and im planning on swapping one of them for a dual sport. I was looking into the 390 adv but after seeing this video, now in leaning towards a 350 exc f. I mainly do gnarly single track, but Im planning on expanding my riding areas and a dual sport seems to be the way to go.
My 2023 KTM 350 EXC-F build is similar to yours. From nearly 60 years of riding motorcycles and from where I live in remote CO, this is the best dual sport bike for me. Having 4 large Macaw companions limits my abilities to travel or participate in the awesome BDR's all over the USA, but given how each of the BDR's seem to have technical areas that are simply too difficult for medium/large adventure bikes for those riding solo like myself, my solution would be to have a driver transport the birds/supplies in a large van for each leg of the BDR. After changing ECU, exhaust, removing airbox reeds, the 350 is nearly similar in power to KTM 500's previously owned, yet provides me with a lighter feel and incredible off-road riding, even in the most technical of terrain. My 2017 KTM 1090 R is perfect for high speed pavement rides to easier off-road adventures, but would really be too much for me in technical trails seen in BDR rides. Thanks Rick for another awesome adventure video! Have you had a chance to ride the Kove 450 Rally yet? From what I have seen on YT videos, that is the PERFECT dual sport bike ever designed our built, and at least for now, insanely affordable!
Isn’t Kove Chinese made?
I wouldn't call the 350 similar in power to the 500... The 350 is more like a 250 but with more power. Not strange as the engine platform is the same. The 500 is more like a 450 but with a bit more torque, not strange as it's the same engine platform as the 450. Totally different engine character, and yeah in means of peak power the 350 aproaches the 450/500 power.
That is about the same KTM as I have, a 2022 EXCF 350, but mine isn't as equipped as yours, though the shop did take some weird items out of the muffler, and removed some hoses around the engine. I think they also did some retuning on the ESC to make it 'richer'. Then they told me ".. now you can win the championships on this bike", it should have about 40 HP compared to factory release, we also have those silly limitiations on new bikes here in Sweden.
I have an 06 525 exc and love the versatility of cruising the highways to the trails. Things a beast, but its power is very approachable till I grab a handful, then it's game on!
Great review. I've not ridden an EXCF 350. I have ridden the EXCF 500 (Dad owns one) and countless other bikes, I've owned the 690, KLR650, and XT250. I started riding at 13, and I'm not an expert, but I agree a DRZ400 will do 90% of what the ECXF 350 will do, but not as fast. DRZ400S, 3x3 mod, new air filter, cheap pipe, jet kit, suspension for your weight, new tires, lose the kick stand switch, and clutch switch, USB charger for gadgets, short wind deflector, aftermarket headlight, new front YZ250 fender to look cool, rear tail tidy. Bike looks great and performs very well and depending on parts you choose, you're looking at $8-$9k (if you buy good parts) total. Even less if you buy a slightly used bike. But I don't have a 6th gear..... for the riding most folks do, and even some highway runs, you can't beat it for the cost. And you gotta have more than just 1 bike. DRZ400s, Tenere 700, and a dedicated street bike FTW.
I’ve got a 701 but thinking of either selling 701 for 500 exc or keeping and getting 350 exc-f. Hmmm
I have a FE350s resprung, revalved and it is my go too basecamp riding. Take the truck and tent to a fun long loop, leave in the morning, get back in the afternoon. I try to stick to 80% offroad (Fire roads, double/single track) on it.
I went this route because I don't want to burn 120-200 miles on the road due to the shorter maintenance intervals.
Exhaust mod + Map/ECU must haves (I see the GET map switch there!) maybe 13T front if you are going on the slower side.
Only negative so far....I don't like dealing with how most of the skid plates attach, it's a bigger PITA than it could be.
Such a good bike
The most interesting thing about this video is, the first bike that came to your mind for comparison, the twenty year old DRZ400. A bike that can be purchased all day, every day for about three grand. It's really eye opening to even think that it could even be in the same conversation. But, as you pointed out, it will do 80-90% of what that $18,000 will do. And, it's very likely that the DRZ will do 100% of what that bike can, for 70-80% who buy the premium brands. Another eye opener is how similar these bike look without the bodywork on them. And how similar the geometry is. Another interesting thing here is the way this particular bike is set up. I'd be curious to see it on the scale. In it's current trim, it looks like it might weigh nearly as much as a DRZ400. Nice job, with the review. Definitely gives people something to think about.
Another thing is the drz's ive ridden feel fine at 80 or 85 with stock gearing. With a flyscreen I could ride highway all day if needed. Not too much vibration from the engine even though its sittin at 8k rpm, which is fine for a piston with a 62mm stroke. He said his exc gets uncomfortable or buzzy after 55.
80 percent the bike in the dirt, twice the bike on the road. The true undefeated dual sport champion.
@@MrDavidfuchser Well, to be fair, a DRZ geared like his KTM 14/50 probably won't be much different on the street. And at the same time, 14/50 will make the DRZ nearly as peppy as his KTM for the dirt. I'm biased toward the Suzuki because I'm older and cheap. And can't use either one to its fullest potential.
If I found a 2018 with 760miles/34hrs for an asking price of $6500, is that a good deal? I would have to drive 6+hrs to get it...
@lukenukem6920 Low mileage is usually a good thing. However, with the DRZ, 700 or 7000 miles almost don't matter. Both bikes will still give you many more miles of riding. I've seen very nice examples with under 5000 miles for 3-4k. But, if $6500 isn't going to break the bank. And you plan on keeping the bike for a while, go for it. With just 700 miles, it probably looks like a brand new bike.
I have a 21 350 EXC-F. It's my only dirt bike (Tuareg 660 too) so it does a little of everything for me. If you can only have one then the 350 is great. For Dual Sporting I'd rather have a 500. Ideally a 500 and 300 2 stroke, but that takes funds. Over 2 years I've probably put 18k into, doing most of what you,ve done to yours.
I have the '16 version. One point to say maybe Recluse isn't absolutely necessary is that the stock clutch is fantastically light and progressive. As in one finger modulation on the way up a big hill. My son runs a Recluse on his 350 XCF offroad race bike, and he claims mine is just as easy to ride. I'm a 62 YO very average rider, but the clutch on the EXCF has transformed my riding in the tight trails we have up here in WI. Also, right on about oil change intervals. I'm an ex-valve train chief engineer. Stress on oil is from revs load. Trail riding, even for advanced guys is just proportionally less stress. I'd be more worried about air filters. Keep that puppy spotless on the inside and your valves and rings will last. I put a pool filter sock over mine. Same as the moto branded ones but like a buck each on our fav online mega-retailer.
Good advice !
Best wishes … enjoy your bike. ( from a 61 YO, who rides a road legal Honda CRF 450 RX ) … very different to the bloated CRF 450L
So it is a keeper!! I have the same bike, same year, but in 250cc (I tried side to side the 250 and the 350 and just liked more the throttle response and the engine brake on the 250; migh depend on the fact I'm small and lightweight!!). We are lucky enough in Italy that despite the regulation, bikes are delivered with no lambda sensor nor all this sh*** so it's a huge cost recovery. I'm loving it, it's the most agile bike I've ever ridden, it's plenty of power (way more than I will ever need), loving it! I'll have the suspension done soon as the springs don't even feel that I'm on the bike, but for the rest, there is nothing to tune or mod unless for personal preference. Maybe fitting the Tubliss system. It will stay with me for long years!
CRF450L fo LIFE! Just kidding. I have the Honda, tried my buddies KTM 500 and immediately wanted to get back on my Honda. I don't do much singletrack so the weight savings of the KTM are wasted on me. I prefer faster straighter dirt riding. I can ride the Honda on the street at 70mph for a couple of hours easily, even on the freeway if necessary. Thats what I call a dual sport. My KTM buddy was in agony recently on a trip where I was comfortable throughout.
Hows the vibration?
@@cyclonus01 On the Honda? Its still there but not really that bad. Its a thumper 450 so there will always be vibrations.
I've had an 02 DRZ S model since 2006. Is it capable? Yes. It's great for all day riding on fire roads. I've trail ridden it a lot too, but my 2019 450 EXC-F is much more fun (and less work) to trail ride than my DRZ.
Thank you for the video and you are spot on. I just wish you had published it back it in 2013 when I bought my 500 EXC. At least I would have known what I was getting myself into. Ran like crap right off the dealership floor. After a couple of years I finally had it up to my expectations with about as much done to it as you have done to yours. I now have over 300 hours and 10K miles and would not settle for anything else. I've even thought of buying a new one but know I would have to do the same mods again to make it great. I'll just keep riding what I have as long as that big smile continues. It's the best!
Good review 👍. Had 3 x 500 EXC and i changed oil every 20 hours (Motorex 1.25L) and clean air filters after every ride. All bikes lasted 700 hours / 38,000km without needed valve adjustments. My only advise loose the rekluse clutch. So much better using the OEM clutch for technical. Cheers
Totally disagree, the Rekluse is the best and strongest clutch there is, and makes technical trails easier and safer. I would not ride a dual sport bike without one.
@@MacawAvicultureInstalled one in the wife’s bike and I agree with you.
@@MacawAviculture ok but not automatic one. And that’s what he has on this bike. If you want to improve your skills you need to be able to know how to slip your clutch as Jarvis said many many times. But for older riders the automatic rekluse might come handy
@@mototrailz we all have different opinions on everything. I have a Rekluse auto clutch on my 2023 KTM 350 EXC-F and my 2017 KTM 1090 R. I am 71 and began riding at 15, but mostly sport bikes up Angeles Crest Highway and Ortega Highway in SoCA. Each year my riding buddy and I would load our bikes in the back of my van and spend 10 days road racing all over Tioga Road to Yosemite, or out Highway 46 from Lee Vining to Benton. That was back in the 1980's before all the people discovered these awesome areas like today. In 1994 I moved to CO and began riding KTM 350/500 off-road enduro bikes, but quickly discovered I do not have the same skill level off-road compared to pavement. After installing my first Rekluse on my 2013 KTM 250 XCW I really enjoyed the increased feeling of safety on steep hills and over technical trails, so when buying a new bike, installing a Rekluse and Scott's steering damper are done at the dealer before I pick up the bike.
@@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC nice she can safely ride with you and both can enjoy the passion together!
Love this bike. But talking about KTM : do you get the new Kove 450 Rally in the US anytime soon? And what are your thoughts on it in terms of bang for the buck?
Couple of comments, the Rekluse will also mute that power of a bike. Used them on a couple of dirt bikes FE350 and a Beta 300RR, now ride without one and happier without it. The Rekluse got me over a learning curve, now I have a Clake One on my dirtbike and the easier pull and lever shape allows me to use the clutch all day without fatigue. Not a big KTM/Husky fan but did pick up a very lightly used 22 350 EXC-F, just like the BRM, and like him, I also am liking the bike for what it is.
Gearing was 14-52 which was pretty buzzy at highway speeds and still had a very low 1st gear and good 2nd / 3rd for slower riding. I had a 50 tooth so, giving that a go, 1st should still be low enough for what I want. I haven't done any work to uncork mine as yet, but may do the charcoal cannister removal, get the Pro moto billet end cap. Not certain on if I need an aftermarket ECU or piggyback tuner or not.
I sold my 22 350 EXCF and got the 23 300 XC tbi (and I live in CA). Zero regrets, minus the ability to ride in some areas. I also never ride on the street.
The 22 was my favorite looking of all the KTMs, but I got annoyed at the soft suspension, lack of power for big hill climbs, constant stalling and clutch hand fatigue in the super tight single track in the Sierras. By the time I factor in suspension, exhaust (not cap in case I needed to sell), athena get, rekluse, LHRB and maybe a clake clutch, I was looking at another 6k+ to make the bike do what I wanted, on top of the nearly 2k I spent on the 13k bike already at that point.
I've had a 2021 Husky FE501 (sold it because the vibrations were brutal). Replaced it with a 2022 350EXC. It really is a good bike, vibrations are much less than the 500, but, it really has a hard time finding what it is, IMO. It sucks on pavement if your trails are more than 30 minutes away. It does great on fire and forest roads, but again, nit fun getting to them. Then, on single track there 300XCW would be FAR superior. So I got to the point of, if Im riding single track, just trailer a XCW since the EXC sucks on the road, and then isn't as fun in single track. Sold the EXC and got a CRF450RL. LOVE it. So much better on pavement, much more power (uncorked) and perfect for forest and fire roads. Can do single track, but again, the XCW is the better bike. For long distance touring, I take the Tenere 700. The 350EXC is a great bike, just has a bit of an identity problem. I'd own one again though if I found one cheap, it is a hoot.
Perfectly timed review for me, been looking at the 300-400 4 stroke bikes hard.
In regards to seat height, I ride a 23 Husky 501 and I’m 5’6 (29 inch inseam) and love it. They say the Husky is about 1/2 in shorter than the KTM and although it took me a bit to get used to the height, after setting the sag it’s definitely rideable for someone at 5’6, just have to slide to one side or the other to stop. If you’re a shorter rider with at least a 29 inch inseam, don’t be scared of the seat height.
28” inseam and Currently have a CRF300LS. I would love to get the KTM 350 as my next bike but pretty unsure did to seat height. But good to hear that someone with a 29” can handle it.
A great review as usual. I purchased a used 2021 500 with a lot of the same mods +. Like the 350 you reviewed, it's a fantastic bike. Massive jump from my XR650L.
Riding on the road is a joy, but going out to beautiful nature is food for the soul
I love my old 09 WR250R with its tall Seat Concepts seat, heated grips, simple fueling tuner, GORace suspension. Smooth and comfortable dual sport that can actually do a lot of high speed road riding. And it cost me so little that I don’t feel bad when I bash it and abuse it on the trails. And being a Yamaha, it just keeps going with minimal maintenance.
very true
I have an 01 WR 426 that I'm trying to restore and convert to a dual sport. I would like a newer WR 450 that's already ready to go. yamaha's are very reliable with minimal maintenance. that's why I like them
@@1979utuber yeah. They really can take a beating. I bought mine used from a kid that had looped it. Only cost me $1900 CDN and buying a tail tidy. Threw on a new chain and sprockets as well since the ones on it were roaches with all his wheelie attempts? Lol. Years of bouncing off trees, hitting rocks and sinking it in mud and water crossings, long highway rides in freezing weather and the heat of the summer. Somehow it just takes it. Just recently I was bending a stock foot peg back into some semblance of its original shape. The plastics look like Frankenstein with stainless wire stitching. Think the bike is due some love and some nice IMS foot pegs. And it needs the larger 3 gallon tank too..
Couple years ago I sold the KTM200EXC I had when I realized how capable the WR250R is on singletrack. Not as fast or exciting, but I can ride longer, further, and through the same terrain. I hope they come
out with a replacement by the time I manage
to kill it.
After this excellent review I’m happy that I ordered new husky 350 pro. Now the line is ok with 24 KTM 250exc and 2019 beta 430rr. But I will sell the Beta. I came this point in one year after gs1250 and bought 690R after that a long trip with Duc DesertX. None of them made me satisfied. I needed more freedom to choose my path. I’m looking forward to be delivered my new husky and Ktm. ❤
Hi Ian I have a honda vtr1000f firestorm and I recently bought a suzuki gn 250 that I'm turning into a scrambler I can say that people's reaction was surprising why would a 50 year old adult do that, people only think about greatness and by the way congratulations on the bike i think it is the ideal motorcycle for off road
My 2018 350 EXC-F is the best bike I have ever owned and is definitely my favorite of my bikes.
Ian do a review of the Husky FE 501 it’s a much better proposition than the 350 as a lightweight ADV bike. It needs a Cush drive, and more engine oil - then it’s sublime
He said he already had a/few 500.
not everything has to be ADV.
and no bike like that will every be useful to cover any long distances.
KTM bikes truly are the best. "Race ready," for sure.
BUT!
The diminishing returns on price to performance is the worst.
200% increase in cost for a 5% improvement on top end capacity...🤔
Bro... I'll just buy 3 Hondas so me and two of my mates can all ride together. 🙃🙂
Great vid and awesome bike. After years on an 09 ktm 450 exc-f it was time to retire that bike and I went with the 350. My initial ride was a disappointment, for a very fixable issue. I used my 450 for 10 day baja rides, a few of the BDR's and loved the fact that the minute I found the hwy, that 450 could keep up with any traffic at any speed. The 350, OMG, cruising, realistically at 50mph was an over revving nightmare. So, simply switched out the gearing and like your bike, 60mph is an achievable ride. And off road its still a dirt bike. Buy this bike, just do not leave the shop with out different gearing. cheers.
Or just get the 500 and leave it stock?
I went with the CRF450L over the KTM because it didn’t have the harsh vibration as the 500 EXC-F I tried. I think the price for the relative smoothness of the Honda shows itself in the extra weight. I have a CRF250RX that I was able to get plated for connecting technical single track and the CRF450L for more light adventure riding whenever I’ll be on pavement for any more than a couple miles at a time. But it’s definitely NOT a road bike. I was on the EveRide adventure ride in June and had to leave early due to a family illness. I had to ride the CRF450L about 250 miles back to St. George on pavement. With all the fuel stops I had to make it took about six hours. That was one of the toughest rides I’ve ever done, and I did an Iron Butt saddle sore 1,000 mile ride on a stock KLR650 in 18 hours! I think the only ride I’ve ever done that was physically more brutal than 250 highway miles on the CRF450L was a 960 mile ride on a Ural in less than 24 hours.
I have an older 525 I love, one of the neighbors brought over the Husky 350 with all the same stuff you have. Man I loved that bike. He was selling at a steal because he was moving and I already had 4 other bikes in the garage that I would not sell like a set up 2001 CR 250 I bought brand new. I kick myself daily for not dropping the $$ for that 350. It for sure would have been a replacement for the 525. Nice review, and I am 100% with you. “If” you can afford it, get it. But for the same amount of money most will probably buy a boomer barge and all of us will have to help pick the damn thing up every half a mile in a lame BDR, 😂.
Perfect sized bike for a dual sport that can and will do single track all day long. This would be the biggest bike I would want. Great video 👍
I had Husky 501 and now own a KTM 500. I liked the Husky’s suspension better. The KTM has a large following and getting parts and doing modifications is much better.
great video, very informative and objective. I had a 350 a couple of years ago and traded for a husky 250 two stroke. I do mostly single track so I am a litle undecided. My other bike is a T7 so the 350 has better overlap. Now I feel I have an empty spot for overnight duasport offroad with technical terrain. This video is helping me in my decision
I am considering a 350 EXC at this time, to hone my off road skills have been away for Long time just doing road. Have a GS 1250 but need something smaller to work on my skills. Would like to add all the things you did but that will take awhile. Great content thanks
I’m so over my 500 just because it’s too heavy for technical riding which I always end up over my head. So difficult to turn around sometimes. My 300 2 stroke wears me out so much! Both my bikes have so much money put into them but would rather have a 350 street legal like you instead of trying to decide which bike to bring. Love the handlebar bag! I also don’t like the typical tank bag as I feel like it’s in the way and you got to deal with the front straps which is annoying
Looking at one of these as my next bike.
Started with a KTM 125SX in 2008, then moved to a Yamaha R6 10 years later and my latest bike the is KTM 1190 Adventure. Now looking at a 350 EXC-F next, almost full circle it seems.
7:44 Nice bike. Have you measured that rider sag? Looks pretty deep that dive when you got on the bike..
If your seat is too hard on any dirt bike A) your not in riding dirt, as you should be more on top of the tank. B) your sitting too much over bumps. C) your glutes are lacking muscle. Likely some combination of all of the above. Stop bothering us with this as a KTM complaint. I see seat cushions on every high $ GS bike.
I think the 500 is better for desert trail riding in the West or as a lightweight ADV bike. 350 works too if you are a lighter 130lb rider. Ian's bike needs the real traction control knob and mask extension for that level of build. Skip the Reklus, learn clutch control for hill hold, double blipping over obstacles and loading up the flywheel. Watch IRC on clutch skill drills.
Thank you for this great video Ian, love what this bike can do!
Enjoy your videos, they have down to earth commentary. I just ordered the Husky FE350 before seeing this video, we can't get many duel sport bikes registered here in Thailand. So it was this or the KTM or a 230 Kawasaki. I have and😅 ride my R1250GS on big rides, its great for certain trips. My Ducati desert X is fun but heavy and really too hot for the tropics! I was keen to get a lighter bike. Loading it on my trailer should be a breeze, can't wait to ride it.😊
I lived and worked in SoCal for 20 years and never road a four-stroke. I have plenty of friends with KTM's, A better choice to build the ultimate duel sport would be the Beta 390. More reliable, better build quality. No need for all the extras you put on the KTM. Lots of them are for sale because the old timers that bought them aren't ready for the lightweight and power.
I bought the ‘23 FE350, for fire tracks and mountain gravel tracks, and so far haven’t regretted it at all. Vastly easier than the 701, and you are right that the weight means you have no fear of taking it anywhere, even with my less than moderate skill levels. Absolutely love it……and have explored so much further! 👍👍
I’d recommend anyone who can have a separate bike for these purposes, then go as light as possible……and if you get one of these you won’t miss the power
Any reason you skipped over the 500/501?
I have 2016 701 & FE350. I entirely agree with Alan. 2 good friends have chopped in their 701s for 500Exc, neither regrets it for off road and technical adventure. The 701 is mighty tall though. I'm 183 cm (6 feet) tall and I've had to take 25mm off the height.
@@IdahoDualSport208 yes….. My ego wanted a 501, but I realised the biggest problem I have on the mountain fire tracks is slowing down before going off the edge, and plummeting 1000ft down the mountain side 😃. In a weird way, as I’ve already got a 996, V4s multi, and 701 in the garage, the 350 seemed more extreme in terms of giving a bigger spread of capability.
@@TheIdlesurfer the 701 is still almost unbeatable on tight mountain tarmac isn’t it. I couldn’t face selling it, as I knew I’d miss it, but wanted something really well balanced for the dirt and gravel.
@@alanprice9938 oh that makes more sense with a lineup like that. I thought you replaced the 701 with the 350! The 500 can almost cover both bases, minus some of the on road comfort you can get on the 701.
Nice review. Now were talking similar bikes to what I have. I think the 350cc motor is the best for a four stroke off road. However I am fortunate to be able to plate a Yamaha 2023 WR450F. The only issue with this bike is the fuel tank which is 2.2 gallons. These new Yamaha's are extremely good handling bikes. And I gotta say that my 450 actually feels lighter then my 350 out on the trail pretty amazing for a 450. Not trying to say the yamaha's are better. They are a good option, and cheaper than the European bikes. My son's 2023 WR250F is the best 250 four stroke I have ridden period. Handles like a two stroke on fast flowing single track. If you ever get a chance you gotta take a spin on one of these bikes.
Thanks for the review on the 350. It truly is one of the best d/s bikes money can buy.
thanks, agreed
Love the enthusiasm.Thanks.
I just watched a review of this bike. A 23 model by Dirt Rider magazine. That's fantastic. You're right, you have a phenomenal 🏍
This was a great review. I always like your lough when you accelerate iand have a good time. Makes me smile.
this is cool but it's no 2005 DRZ400S
Will never be based on reliability alone.
or a KLR650
@BigRockMoto Love my klr! Been a great bike so far!
@@BigRockMoto oh wow a reply from the man himself! great videos :) keep them coming
@@BigRockMotoewww lol
What a masterpiece. If I could afford one, I’d like to add the bigger fuel tank, and a windshield, or a rally tower, so you get the wind protection and a spot to mount a gps. That just might be my dream bike...
This bike is so sick! 🔥
Often though, If I had the cash, the 350 would be my choice. I don't need the power of the 500 unless I found one cheap and low Km. Slow speed turns is when I drop it, there is a hole under the grass, or I stall it. Peddling backwards when they're tall is hard work.
Nice bike, but I'll have to stick with my KLX400e for now & yes, I will spend the money for suspension eventually, most important. Be using my new RE450 more often now, except for running down to the shops. They will both outlast me, I thinks.
I'm (newbie) puzzled by something you said in this video (around 25:50). You said:
"Check the valves every hundred hours or so."
"It's not designed to put 5-10,000 miles on in a year."
"This is not the kind of motorcycle you should be riding, frankly. "
I don't follow the logic here. If I ride trails for fun at an average speed of 30 mph, it will take me about 250 hours to ride 7,500 miles (chilling approx. 150 miles a week). That means just 2-3 valve checks a year, according to what you said. So why not ride this bike if I am riding 5-10,000 miles a year for leisure, not for race? Thanks!
The oil change recommendation is also due to the small oil capacity. I changed mine every 15 hours, per manual. Race bikes are more like every 5 / after each race. Valves I didn't plan on checking until 100.
Thanks for sharing this video review. Never riden anything like this. I have a Gen. 1 SDR 16 that I love. This would be fun to explore offroad. Cost more than my SDR and its loaded.
Great, honest review, thanks. Would love to ride this bike in the mountains of Colorado.
With all the mods, especially around the engine, Emissions etc, is it still street legal?
Yes. Who is going to check your bike?
great vid, have you tried the KOVE 450?
I think my KLR650 and KLX300R would not like me to replace them with this (awesome) bike!
Gee, thanks so much, I WAS looking at a budget dual sport..... 😂
Great review once again.
Seriously considering a Husky 350. Three brothers knows their stuff.
Thanks for the great review. I have a 500 exc-f 2022 and I am holding from doing most of the mods you described because I am wondering if buying the new factory rally Fantic or the Kove would be a much better deal in terms of bike that can handle everything up to a rally race and money. What do you think? Thanks.
Maintenance wise, I ignore the manual. I've been riding my XR650R since 2002 (lot of miles) and I haven't done a thing to it; I just ride it.
Great review Ian. Have a 2017 with similar mods and love it. PS: don't pay attention to the negative people out there
There must be something wrong with me because I HATE doing 60mph on any motorcycle on the highway even if it is just to get to a place to ride offroad. LOL it just ruins my day. Maybe its why I dont ride offroad much anymore. My 690 has no trouble doing 75 (and more) of course the price of that is not having a "real dirtbike" when I finally get to the chosen offroad route...as you have stated there are no unicorns you have to give up one thing to get another...it is frustrating especially tires. Mostly I think? I give up lol ....Im mostly doing twisty roads on hypersport tires with 165hp these days OR an all day tour involving hundreds of miles ...not choking on dust not jarring my nearly 70 year old body. I did so want a KTM street legal dirt bike but never happened sadly and I really think it is too late oh well
The KTM/Husky 350 bikes are awesome. No comparison from anything else on the market, Beta is close. Japanese dual sport bikes are not close. You could enter that bike in an enduro or harescramble and set up suspension and you can compete and win. then ride it home and smile with your trophy
So, what type of rider would be content with this bike in its' stock form? I enjoy your videos. Thanks.
I'm not a good enough off road rider to need a bike like this and I don't have the money to sink into it. I do have a KLX250s which definitely satisfies my dirt bike itch but I spend about 90% of my time on road and mostly on a CB500x, but I also have a HD Road King in the garage for backup when I feel like riding a heavy loud monster.
Can you stop referring to spending money on motorcycles and gear as an “investment”. Those expenses are not an investment, they are a loss. Investments are supposed to provide a profit.
If a fella had an idea in their head that they may want to do a little cross country racing as well as commuting to and from work and also later down the road maybe some adventure wiring including some decent highway distance to and from locations, would you suggest the 450 over the 359? Mainly for the longer highway runs?
I had the DRZ and it’s absolutely no comparison to the 350 exc f.
The KTM stock is So Much better.
I have the 2020 KTM 350exc f uncorked and it’s incredible.
The DRZ is fun and somewhat capable but the KTM is in a totally different universe.
isn't your sag on the back way to much? Looks like a solid 40%+ sinking in?
I love it but love my Crf300L and Crf450RL too!
🏍️💨
450L will fit to ride all conditions with ease..300L won't
300l is not off road lol. Different if riding slow AF. The 350 does both well. CRF 300l is border line dangerous when pushing off road, not too mention 40kg heavier
@@jamesgeorgevellavella1961so what your saying is you don’t recommend me trying to qualify for The Erzbergrodeo on my 300L?
🤣
Relax, I have a ‘22 Husky Te300i.
🏍️💨
But don’t he confused. With new suspension the 300L will do any DUAL SPORT (not hard enduro) ride 97% of the people riding it want to do. And at $5500.
I know CAUSE I do it.
Would you consider the KTM as a good beginner bike?
I have road and track experience with my R6, however barely any experience in track riding.
So i believe the clutch is called Ra-kluse like the brown recluse spider. Not rec-less.
P.S. I saw you at the adventure fast in SD. I didn't get a chance to say hi, but, it was nice seeing you there supporting the adventure bike family.
Hmm - my 2020 Husky equivalent, all stock is certainly muted power wise but tolerable fueling and no flame outs. Despite all the comments regarding KTM reliability my KTM/Husky dual sport bikes have been bulletproof.
Another excellent review as well. You have definitely upped your game
36:00 now im not arguing but on ktm950 adv specifically i did some experimenting with that in the past and had exactly opposite effect - the more i loaded the front the more it wanted to tuck, i loeaded the rear and it was more tail happy. it behaved the best when u weight netural, normal position. I think 950 is front heavy so maye tahts why.
I have to experiment with that also on my AT now, but my front on AT grabs so well that i dont feel the need to do anything really ;
not a single time front end let go so badly to make me fall, at least not on dry stuff. 1.5-1.7bar upfront and it grip like mad offroad despite 90/10 tire ;
thanks for this. what would be your highway speed on highway with the 500? Much better?
Excellent and enjoyable review Ian. I think a lot has to do with where you live and how you get to your trails. Trailer, ride dual sport or dirt bike? I'm fortunate to be able to ride from my garage to single track here in Utah.
I like the Kleenex comment, “for when I’m crying on the trail”..😂
That scenery is awesome. Is the old Route 66 somewhere nearby perhaps?
It's just that kind of riding makes me want to move to Colorado, or whatever state has the best offroad laws, it looks you're having so much fun, my stomach aches.
Looks pretty dry up there. Was that part of the record snow falls? Awesome bikes! I have a KX250 2 stroke still for off road. I'd love one of these.