Isiah Thomas EXPOSES Michael Jordan's UGLY Moments..
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- Опубликовано: 10 дек 2022
- Isiah Thomas EXPOSES Michael Jordan's UGLY Moments..
Welcome back to Fighters Spot. The 10-part documentary largely celebrated Jordan's on-court greatness, but there were times, such as when he chewed out teammates and punched Steve Kerr, when he didn't come across in the best light. Some of those moments are surely what Thomas was referring to, but the rivalry between the Pistons and the Chicago Bulls was also a central storyline of the documentary.
After all, Jordan's Bulls lost to Thomas' Pistons during the second round of the 1988 playoffs, the 1989 Eastern Conference Finals and the 1990 Eastern Conference Finals. Detroit took a particularly physical approach with No. 23 as it developed its Bad Boys reputation. During The Last Dance, Jordan credited the Pistons' style when explaining what motivated him to add strength and change his own approach as his career progressed.
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He won't let it go because you ask him about it all the time
Zeke being interviewed and ask about the documentary and Jordan's comments. But it's him not letting go. He just answering the questions foo!
I find it funny that you and other's talk about zeke not letting it go after two years. But Jordan kept it going for 30 years!🤷🏿♂️
well said, you can tell jordan is arrogant
Excellent point.
I think Jordan hated Thomas, because Thomas outplayed him so many times.
I think Thomas was not sincere in his dealings with MJ. He praises mj then flips up next.
@CZ TS !!! Who's the arrogant mj or isiah? Mj is the devil
Jordan is always going to think about the '90s NBA TITLE that should have been his instead of Detroit.
If Zeke doesn’t like the way he was portrayed then 1) find a Time Machine, go back and undick yourself and 2) go do your own documentary (which no one will watch).
They clearly don’t like each other and probably never will. Let’s just leave it at that…
On this planet called 🌎, everybody don't like everybody. You might as well as admit that.
Everyone saying it's MJ's fault is delusional If I had an entire basketball team taking cheap shot after cheap shot at me I would have just beat the s*** out of all of them and still held a grudge he has every right to hold a grudge
You've never beat anybody
I always find it ironic that James Edwards, John Salley & Dennis Rodman all got rings playing with MJ and the Bulls (all 3 were on the '96 team). Add that MJ buddied up with Chuck Daley during the '92 Olympics, playing golf together. Bobby Knight called MJ the greatest player he'd ever seen. MJ takes over Chicago, his hometown. It's a tough pill to swallow all around, I guess.
It was a direct act of treason that Buddha, Salley, and Rodman played for chicago. But worse than that,that snake Chuck daily accepted the dream team job and didn’t take not ONE of his own players with him. Some people have no honor.
didnt all those guys get rings with ZEKE & Joe D first though? Bobby Knight also was kissing Zeke's ass for YEARS calling him the best until he jumped on MJ's nuts later
isiah is cry baby🤣🤣🤣 who seems like a nagging GF who can't get over being dumped.
He's old!
If you look real deep enough you can see that mj was his friend but he was the one who betrayed the friendship with the things he did remember he started hating on mj because of his people's back In Chicago because they were riding with the home team instead of his team the Pistons and from Thier on In he had personal vendetta against mj freezing mj out in the all-star game creating a brutal style of playing against mj in which they called the Jordan rules ,this guy now wants friendship from mj after it was him who destroyed the relationship and like you said rodman Sally and Edwards all played and won with the bulls so of course he's going to be bitter for the rest of his life
I respect Isaiah Thomas for standing his ground and he has never fired any shots against Jordan's way. He has also spoken highly of MJ as a player and never made it personal when he was a commentator!
They in there 60's and still beefin 30 years later gotdamn Mann🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣
That is what a person says when they know jordan is the instigator. But you say both to deflect 🤣
Keep it going I love it and think it's funny. Who says they have to like each other or make up?
Christ’s says my good friend I’m a Jordan fan Magic my favorite though but man they are both older now it’s our egos and pride that Blocks healing and forgiveness they both have massive egos maybe one day but Isaiah is an
Instigator
Isiah is exposing his hurt feelings
Isaiah you made your bed …give it up already
If you ask the Jordan team mates, they will tell you that Jordan was the biggest as....e
Assumption and rumors…stupid. Rod Thorn wasn’t dumb, he couldn’t afford to have petty BS within the Dream Team. Solution, only have players who portrayed character on the court.
Your forgetting the NBA changed alot of the game rules in 1991 that helped the bulls win the NBA title.
100%
Had they not, mike wouldn't have won any rings
To Hell with the Chicago Bulls!
I like Isiah Thomas. He was a very good player.
M. Jordan doesn't think so.
But that M. Jordan problem.
I am a Spurs fan. But Isiah sometimes is underrated.
"To me the best point guard of all-time is Magic Johnson and right behind him is Isiah Thomas." - Michael Jordan
I seen Spider Salley Congratulate the bulls,so evidently He didn't get the memo of the walking off culture
Really, is this the reason why Thomas questioned Magic's sexuality when he was diagnosed with AIDS, because he is the victim. Thomas gets what he deserves, and isn't a victim. He is a punk pure and simple.....he said and did a lot wrong to people, and it wasn't Jordan who didn't want him on the Dream Team.....it was so many.
It wasn't Isiah that made that statement, stop listening to dumbass narratives.
Yes long tape it was Jordan
F.A.C.T.S.
Michael Jordan said he hate Isaiah Thomas in front of the whole world but Isaiah won’t let the beef go. That’s crazy.
I believe that their is a deep reasons why MJ hate Thomas so much, MJ should forgive so that God will Forgive him
Amen. You can see it in his eyes that he really hates Isaiah. Shame.
Jordan is a Mason! He's on his way to the lake of fire!
I'd like to know what happened.
The "freeze out" was required, MJ was 2/9.
The handshake is minor. If Kerr can forgive MJ, MJ is making Mt Everest out of a grain of salt.
It's gotta be something other than what's constantly mentioned.
MJ is God, he can forgive himself
@@Gueli The Lord Jesus Christ rebuke you.
The "Bad Boys", Pistons beat Michael Jordan and the Bulls, Larry Bird and the Celtics and Magic Johnson and the Lakers one after the other and won 2 back to back Championships. Those were the top 3 teams to beat back then and the Pistons took them all down. But, nobody wants to remember that. So, it's not just about Zeke and MJ. The Bad Boys took down NBA dynasties.
Bull swept the defending champion and after that, only Dumars and John Salley shake hand with Bulls with respect.
MMA take downs
Of course this video left out the part about MJs disrespectful comments about the Pistons (calling them un-worthy champions) the day before the no handshake/walkout in the 1991 eastern Conference finals. This was the catalyst for the walkout. You wouldn't have shaken his hand either.
Exactly
The reason the bulls started winning was not because mj got stronger, it was the cast that was assembled around him.
I watch a lot of the bulls games on you tube. I noticed that jordan wasn't the type of teammate to hand out accolades or pat a player on the back when they did a nice move on the court. His berating of his own players was legendary, not something that had to be enjoyable. He needs to stop being a whiner and get back to a friendship that most of us would dream of having.
If you watched The Last Dance, MJ explained that being a leader has that price and he paid it.
Eddie, this is just not right. Let me remind you the story with Dennis being lost in Vegas and Mike going there to get him back to the squad. In fact it was Mike who made his teammates better players in every respect, mentally, technically and physically.
The bulls had 8 men on the court. 5 players and 3 refs.
Rodman was allowed by NBA to have unlimited uncalled fouls. If they were playing with FIBA officiating, rodman wud have fouled out in the 1st qtrs.
U really believe in NBA BS that rodman can stop shawn kemp? Really y'all believe that? How about karl malone? U believe in NBA BS that rodman can stop malone? Y'all dumb AF
@@trifolkel how old are you?
They're all getting old: (Jordan, Zeke, Sir Charles... ) I hope and pray that all these beef will be settled and let bygones be bygones. Bury the hatchet. The day will come when one of you might leave this world. Have your peace of mind now, guys.... Forgiveness is key
It ain't gonna happen. This beef is til death
@@beyondbeleef1013 It seems that way and it's sad. I still hope for the best though.
I'm glad that Isaiah has issues with it! Obviously he has sleepless nights...
Why raise these concerns if you believe in yourself that, you had no wrong doing? Consciousness speaks louder than words...
Why is he trying to acclimate himself in the minds of others???
Mjjj he is a good player in NBA etc..that’s my idol Mike mjjjj
He still mad because he didn't go and play on the USA get over it it almost 35 years. And he still mad with Michael Jordan 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Isaiah Thomas said he from what Chicago Chicago do not cry😂😂😂😂😂
The story goes Isiah visited his nephew in Chicago, only to see him in Jordan gear and posters on his wall, well he was pissed to say the least being from Chicago and wanting to get drafted by them, it's safe to say MJ stole his shine in the end
Not true. Isaiah's family took care of MJ while in Chicago. Isaiah knew his nephew lived with MJ. The Thomas' made it easy for MJ to walk them West-Side streets in Chicago. Facts.
@@RaphaelAshanti good job repeating what he said 👏
@@hairjordan2620 And he said it publicly, named places and names. The ultimate receipts. Isaiah has been many things but never a liar. Besides, I'm from the West Side of Chicago, so I know it to be true. He was never jealous of Jordan when he was in Chicago. Facts.
@@RaphaelAshanti both can be true, it's not a contradiction
@@hairjordan2620 I will partially concede, he did initially want to be drafted by the Bulls but Isaiah was never jealous of Jordan for being drafted by Chicago. That part is not true. MJ was highly touted but not yet proven in the NBA. No one in Chicago agrees with that rumored narrative. Isaiah was made to understand that basketball was a business. Chicago Bulls had Michael Jordan from New York and the Detroit 'Bad Boy' Pistons had Isaiah Thomas from Chicago. And we know how them early years ended for MJ and the Bulls. The End.
This riveraly is better then anything happening in today's NBA!
The only problem with this "rivalry" is that Isiah wasn't even within the same zip code of being on Jordan's level. There's just absolutely no comparing the two. Jordan blows him out of the water. Jordan's a legit GOAT candidate. Isiah is like the 3rd or 4th best PG.
@madcapper6 you are pretty much insane. Isiah is literally one of the best 7 players of the 80's, and no less than the 2nd greatest point guard ever, and even your God Jordan said that.
@@nothingnothing7648 That still doesn't put him on Jordan's level. Jordan was a better player than Magic too, who was the greatest PG of all time. And I rooted against him when he played so he's not my "GOD". I just get tired of the clueless stuff people post who are supposedly basketball fans. Matter of fact, I was a big time Pistons fan during the Bad Boy years. But even so, it was so painfully obvious who the best player on the floor was when those two teams played each other that I gotta call you out when you imply Isiah was anywhere near Jordan's level. He wasn't. Just ask Isiah himself, he'll tell you the same thing.
Learn the game.
@@nothingnothing7648 Here are some quotes from Isiah himself about Jordan:
1991: "Michael Jordan is the greatest player to ever play."
1993: "Nobody has really found out a way to stop this guy. The thing that amazes me about Michael Jordan as compared to the rest of the players in the league is his stamina and his endurance. The thing that I wasn't able to do and the thing that Magic wasn't able to do, we succumbed to injuries, we didn't have the type of stamina or the type of energy level that Michael seems to possess every single night, whether he's playing the worst team in the league or the best team in the league. He has an energy level that's unmatched by any other player or any other athlete that I've ever seen in professional sports, whether it be basketball, baseball, football, track, tennis. His energy level is so much greater than ours, that night in and night out he's there performing at a level that we frankly just weren't able to reach and that's why he's there tonight healthy and gunning for a threepeat."
Isiah 1998: "Without question, he's the greatest that I've ever seen play."
So tell me, if Jordan is my "God" as you put it, is he Isiah's "God" too?
@@madcapper6 I don't need to LEARN THE GAME, grew up watching and played it til my legs gave out. Isiah simply spoke the truth, Jordan is the goat, aint no secret. Him, along with Kareem and now Bron are tops however order anyone chooses to put them. Having said that, Jordan still got his ass kicked in the 80's and had to learn to win, same as every major star this league has ever seen. I respect Jordan as the myth and legend he is, a sports ICON, but im not giving him a pass for being an ass.
Larry Bird hates Bill Laimbeer even more than Jordan hates Isiah, so why doesn't anyone talk about that ?
Can Someone show me videos Magic and Bird shaking hand’s after the Finals.
Also, how about one of Bird shaking Isiah's hand after they lost to the Pistons in 1988. The thing is, Isiah has stated on several occasions that it did not bother him in the least. They were just happy to finally beat them.
, but wait a minute. Everyone's speaking on how the Pistons didn't shake the Bulls Hands after the elimination but if you're really paying attention, the Bulls didn't extend their Hands to the Pistons either
It's what MJ said in The Last Dance yes even my teammates might have found me a asshole but what do you want to do? Win or just be average. He was only busy in his head with winning championships.
Lol! You can’t have it both ways! Ok for MJ to be an A_ _ hole but not ok for Zeke?
at 7:04 stop the picture...did anyone notice the Masonic number 33??? Magic 3 fingers. and the other 3 with Jordan and Bird.
Will all of you stop kissing MJ's ass. You did not say a word when Boston walked off on the pistons
Chicago is not the only team that hated the Detroit Pistons. This is a fact not an opinion. Also, Isiah is not the only person that Jordan disliked just ask Charles Barkley and Bill Laimbeer. Isiah I would suggest that you do not keep on holding your breath waiting for an apology from Jordan. My final thought is that I have seen high school girls get over stuff like this a lot faster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are so right.. Ask Larry Bird and Magic what they thought!
When the beef sounds more fake than the rumor.
I Thomas who started the whole mess, disrespecting the Bulls after Bulls swept his team.
If John Stockton stayed healthy I don’t know if this would be such a big issue
He was healthy to make it to the championship twice
His health wasn't the main issue. He and Malone didn't have enough otherwise. Plus Jordan (and Pippen) blocked a lotta stars from the promised land.
@@Amick44 They had enough players it wasnt Just Jordan n Scottie … They had 3 scorers thru that Triangle Offense which was hard to stop
Stockton only missed 22 games his entire career
Actually Jordan is the salty one that won’t let it go. He talked 💩 on the last dance about Zeke.
Nahh, learn your facts. Zeke continued to talk shit about MJ waaaaayyy before the last dance. Jordan used the last dance to embarrass him. I lived in Chicago & Zeke is STILL salty because Chicago has more love & respect for Jordan then Thomas even though Zeke is from the Chi. Zeke would've been treated like Derek Rose (an idol) but he played for a hated team & was an arrogant asshole
@@fromthej nah learn your facts, Jordan is not what you fans make him to be 😂.
@@fromthej that’s why he picked jordan up from the airport when he came to Chicago and had his family living with him? GTFOH… learn your facts. The Bad Boys dominated the bulls, that’s why.
The truth is that when MJ was still in college he would play pick up games in Chicago w Zeek and Orlando Woodridge etc and MJ would shut down Zeek on both ends of the court. He embarrassed Zeek who was a star at the time . This bothered Zeek and he shut out MJ at the all star game and is still buttsore to this day about MJ owning him
Thomas is just mad cause Jordan made him look like a chump all the time.
Yeah Isaiah and others had resentment for Mj remember the Olympic basketball team was made up of amateurs college players and to get them ready for world play where other countries used pros the US team had a series of games against established professional basketball players and jordan was torching them, fans were flocking to this kid who hadn’t even played one pro game yet and at this time no one really had a signature shoe and here is this running shoe company making sneakers specifically for this one guy who many pros Isaiah being one felt hadn’t done anything yet !! So why would jordan be cool if someone did you bad you’re obligated to be alright with it? Please !! Save that shit for church!!
Zeke started first for not shake hand with respect after being swept by the bulls.
Are these guys 60 y/o or 6 y/o?
Yoo Isaiah
Those who want respect. Give respect
Jordan is arrogant, don't deserve the respect of isiah
I'm not sure what happened here. But I know folk that usually demand that you respect them, want to spit on you in return. Plus, when folk don't like someone, the first thing that they're going to do is go out of their way to paint a bad picture about you to any and ***everyone that listens. Just another way to get folk on their bandwagon to feel hatred towards you. That game is lame and will only be used by folk that lack personality and creativity. As these types usually resort to what others have poorly done and exercised without remorse.
@@selfdiscipline296 Got that rite I swear people's got there blinders on MJ is beyond arrangant he wouldn't stop an talk to you on a humble note like Isiah would I know that..
Exactly!!! Jordan didn't give it to the Pistons by calling them bad for basketball.
Both players were great NBA players. I don’t use championship rings as the only factor to determine who is great and who is not. There were many great players that never had a championship. Championships are based more on the team mates, no one ever won a NBA championship by himself.
But there was no mention about MJ’s comments about the pistons organization and Thomas personally before “the walkout” why is that??
Isaiah needs to stop crying and do his own Netflix series. Fact is Isaiah and the Pusstons were dirty players, their refusal to shake hands just exposed them for no character either.
And because they walked off the court before the game was even done is why Isaiah was not on the Dream Team.The first time NBA players were allowed to play in the Olympics the higher ups wanted the team to at least demonstrate good sportsmanship etc. That is why Barkley was admonished by all his team mates for giving that player the elbow. Barkley straightened up after that and the whole team had a ball. They were fantastic. The OTHER MJ and LB had more to do with Thomas kept off the team than Michael.
Love Isiah, hes my favorite player to date.but hang this up with mj pls
joe dumars shook the bulls hands
and I think Salley did too, They at least stayed until the game was done.
Isaiah needs to find a hobby. MJ don't owe him anything. Stop crying.
Would Isiah trade his 2 titles for a Olympic spot and medal? I doubt it. He should take a deep breath and appreciate his career and achievements.
And realize he made his own bed.
So he can’t be upset about not being able to represent your country at the Olympics. It’s not like he had another chance at it like Mike did.
I don't think so, he'd just do what I did. He probably bought that poster of MJ Magic and Bird...And threw darts at it! Larry Bird? BAM! Beat your ass! Michael Jordan? BAM! BAM! Beat your ass! Magic Johnson? BAM!, BAM! BAM! Beat your ass! Nobody else can make that claim. BAD BOYS FOR LIFE! BAM! Aretha Franklin said it best, R-E-S-P-E-C-T! That's all we wanted.
Everybody Trashed talked n the game MJ took it personal when they was flooring him with hard fouls… what he did was work out gotten better n continued to play .. obvious Isaiah Jordan Rules didnt faze him n they got beat… Isaiah didnt respect that lost n had his team walk off that court. … it was premeditated that they would do that….As far as the Oylmpic Dream Team ppl gonna always say it was MJ…. MJ didnt put that team together David Stern/ Rod Thorn did ( RIP) n if MJ did say if Isaiah was playing he not gonna play ( because he believe Isaiah shut him out of that all star game .. what u think would of happen on that dream team) but if he did say that then Y the committee didnt say ok well he dont have to play n put isaiah on the team….y Isaiah only saying Jordan when his Coach Chuck Daly ( RIP) was coaching the dream team… Y didnt he speak up for Isaiah? Y didnt he say well if my player not playing then im not coaching its not fair for him….Y didnt the committee chose Isaiah otherwise? Isaiah showed no Sportsman Like Conduct around the same time they was picking that dream team… So how they viewed Isaiah as a loser n wouldnt respect Olympic teams if they lost….Isaiah been bitter since MJ stopped they 3peat… so was he a asshole for walking off yes…cuz the times MJ n them was beaten by Detroit after all the dirty fouls the bulls still shook they hands out of respect becuz they knew it was a contact sport. The bulls didnt have to play detroit dirty to beat them.. Even though these videos r old n keep circulating ppl need to realize Isaiah was a bitter bitch!
Dude you sound crazy as hell .
Pippin was upset by last dance
The lack of empathy for others is what held him back
The all-timer, all-stars egos Mount Rushmore, Tog Gun, hall of fame and MJ was twenty moves ahead of everybody and continues to run the board. Zeke made his bed more than four decades ago when he chose to burn bridges and his reputation being cheap shot dirty players to get their rings. He's such a good charismatic con man he figured he when all the dust was settled and years went by, he could do his snake oil salesman pitch to a new generation and charm his way into a revisionist history of events and it would be buried beef forever. But, he underestimated the impact of bad blood and lifetime of resentment his and the other Pistons revolting bad faith bush league behavior had and its lasting bad taste. Bird seems to put it on Bill L choosing to be democratic about the whole thing, but you can tell he keeps Thomas at arms length. Isaah realizing now that his playing the long game gamble didn't work and he's pissed off nobody's buying his smoothed over soft cushioning of the inexcusable and unforgivable play he orchestrated. You got your rings, Zeke, and this is the severe price and penance you pay for it. The bitter irony is Thomas was plenty talented enough to win without resorting to that bs.
Jordan and Isiah are both filled with extreme pride. That said, I think Isiah is an overall better person and more likeable than MJ.
Listen MJ said what he said and it will be a cold day in hell before he ever gets an apology! Those of us who had the privilege of watching this rivalry in real time knows how brutal it was between the Bulls and Piston! MJ made it very clear and in detail why he hates Isiah Thomas! Isiah Thomas has made it clear why he hates Jordan! MJ went on to win 3 rings with Rodman and we know how brutal he was to them when he played for the Pistons! In his now famous words… He took it personal when it came to Isiah Thomas! The End! ✌🏾
Good luck to anyone who attempts to play a role of peacemaker between Isiah Thomas and Michael Jordan.
The worst is how Detroit won championships, especially in the playoff against MJ, with a dirty and violent game that they called "physical". MJ shook their hands even after these games, but they could not do it after their tricks stopped working. MJ shows them respect even if they don't deserve it.
Haters will hate on MJ but he is blessed with his billions of dollars 😅
Thomas winning championships don’t count?????isn’t that’s the purpose of you playing the game???? When you guys beated the bulls they accepted don’t bring in the Celtics . Just accept and learn to loose.
at least bill laimbear admits what he did zeke is so worried about his image after how many years sorry zeke youll never be up there with mj/magic n bird
Back when the NBA was real!
Thomas still salty.
MJ Said "they called me to ask me to play, and asked why I wouldn’t play with Isaiah on the team. Here's where says you know what Chuck doesn't want Isiah to play, so Isiah couldn't be part of the team." GET IT RIGHT
that is not what was said----
Isaiah is just jealous of Jordan, Like Charles Oakley said ,Mj don't want to be your friend lol
Why would you love a team that wants to hurt and injure their opponents. No matter what Isiah Thomas said they are a disgrace to the sport and they play today they will never win because they will either be ejected or suspended.
Isaiah Thomas was not only beaten by MJ but obliterated his team as well. Yes the Piston beat MJ's Bulls numerous times but not as dominant as what the Bulls did to Piston - Look at the Piston after they were beaten by the Bulls - Piston became a history
Isaih was 3-1 vs MJ...thats all that matters
Thomas says MJ is a hypocrite? Really? Isiah is a hypocrite himself! Here’s just one example. Isiah is bitter because he wasn’t selected to play on the 1992 Olympic Basketball Team. This was supposedly due to MJ. However, three years prior to that he had no problem being a part of screwing Adrian Dantley out of an NBA Championship ring! Isiah always denies that, but he’s a liar. I stopped being a Pistons and Isiah fan THAT very day! Oh yeah, I lost all respect for Chick Daley that day too! It’s too bad they let him coach an Olympic team.
To me the Pistons leaving the court without acknowledging Bull's superiority is the greatest shame of all times in sport. Isiah got his retribution a year later. He should look at the mirror to find the person at fault in this instance.
Funny how no one talks about the Celtics walking off w/o shaking hands, except for McHale and Isaiah shaking hands. Maybe because they played and roomed together for a sec back in their college days.
Dude you don't even know what you are talking about. Why don't you listen to what Isaiah Thomas said about that and how teams was back then before you put out this type of nonsense. Did the Celtics shake the Piston hand when the Piston beat them? The answer is no and Isaiah Thomas explained why.
What the Celtics did does not justify Pistons' choice, especially so since Jordan had acknowledged defeat the years before despite the bitter rivalry. You need to judge this reaction against this background.
Well you better give some of that shame to the Celtics because they walked off against the Pistons 3years before
@@nikoskarkavelias1612 also the Bulls badmouthed the Pistons that entire series
Saying they were bad for basketball and were unworthy champions
If Isiah and "bad boy" crew spent their whole time trying to hurt me like they did Michael Jordan, there would be more than a few "ugly" moments.
Even MJ was called an ahole in the documentary so Thomas is just a crybaby
I like Isiah the player but his attitude as a human being is disgusting.He is jealous of MJ because he is from Chicago and MJ play for Chicago.
Isaia Thomas deserves not to be on USA team 👍!!!
Those days I was an avid NBA fan, as well as a fan of both teams. MJ is correct. Isiah was a "dirty player". The Pistons' hatred for The Bulls trumped everything. Who wants to play ball with someone's whole persona is toxic? Which is why Isiah was excluded from The Dream Team. It wasn't just MJ that didn't want to play with Isiah.
Mike was the same way though. He starved teammates and punched them.
BULLS*^T! Jordan is sore about how the Pistons were consistently kicking his ass
@@derrickthompson5736 Absolutely! The Pistons were the biggest hurdle the Bulls had to clear and MJ did that 5h1t like a pro! He congratulated them when they lost and wished them well in the Finals! He put up with the dirty play, the "Jordan Rules" tactics, and everything else! And when he finally cleared that hurdle, the Pistons didn't even give as much as a middle finger! They didn't acknowledge the Bulls nor return that professionalism that was shown to them in any way whatsoever. They literally walked off the floor! And MJ, as the saying goes, took that 5h1t "personally"! The Bulls ended their run, broke up their team, pretty much ended Isaiah's career and supported not letting him on the Dream Team, and relegated the Pistons to the NBA cellar for something like 12 years! Of course Zeke is PO'd, and MJ might be petty for some of it! But that doesn't stop Thomas from owning his 5h1t, which he refuses to do! MJ on the other hand couldn't care less! And why would he?
Maybe so, but. when you look back on it all. There was 2 players your beloved MJ had the most trouble with. 1 he finally got over because we got old and he was on the way up (Isiah Thomas and The Pistons) Oh, and he did NOT congratulate us. When they were on the Oprah Winfrey Show he, Scottie and rest of the Chicago Bulls#*ters talked about us like we were dogs, then talked about my hometown like we ain't nothing as well. Now I've seen her have other champion teams on her show, I noticed she didn't invite the 2004 world champion Detroit Pistons on her show. And the other player he couldn't beat in his sleep. As the true great one, Muhammad Ali would say 'If he even dreamed of whipping him, he'd better wake up and apologize. And that of course is Larry Bird. Now don't hand all that jive about he was young, if he was so great, why didn't just fly over the Celtics and beat them? Hell, he score 63 points and still lost to them. Why? one word...TEAM! One man does not a team make. The only time he won against Larry Bird was when he was playing WITH Larry Bird on the Dream Team...A team he didn't want Zeke on or any other Piston. Yeah, Chuck Daly coached them, but everybody knows when it comes to basketball, the players run the league. If Isiah was on that team, MJ would've acted like the spoiled brat he is and took his ball and went home. Had he done so, I would've said good riddance. But MJ redeemed himself in the bad boys documentary, when he said and I quote, "If the Pistons didn't beat out butts the way they did, wouldn't have won those six titles.' Well, that and the fact that in '96 he had 3 former Detroit Pistons on his team-(Dennis Rodman, James Edwards and John Salley) to make that run to 72-10 and the title. Bottom line is this, like I say in history, if you're gonna tell it or teach it, teach the whole damn thing. Don't leave nothing out. and the truth is this, he's looked upon as the greatest player in the league-(CRAP!). But I'll say this, if you take any NBA champion from 1991 on out to now and rumble them up against the 1989 Detroit Pistons, we would kick every one one their asses and send them all home crying to their mamas quick and plenty fast! That's what I know. BAD BOYS FOR LIFE!
And when you stand praying forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father who is in Heaven may forgive you your trespasses and sins. Mark 11:25
2/9 shooting?
1) MJ ain't passing.
2) MJ damened sure ain't passing to anyone that's 2/9 from the floor.
Dude making up stuff to justify his bad behavior.
it is permanent----------look at Barkley/Jordan-------MJ cut Barkley out for making ONE honest observation. MJ fuels himself on grudges------he even called out his HS Coach for sending him to the jv squad so he could get more playing time-----Jordan's spin, "he cut me"
Stop calling the Pistons tactics "Dirty" The ENTIRE LEAGUE played very physical basketball in that era... Drives me crazy to keep hearing only the Pistons played that way... This post was definitely PRO - BULLS, and that is ok... They would go on to become a dynasty the likes of which we may not ever see again... Jordan is STILL the BEST of ALL TIME... However.. The NBA Changed many rules to allow him to get over all obstacles... It was a business decision... The NBA made BILLIONS off of the talents and artistry of Michael Jordan, so I understand the WHY... but at the same time acknowledge the fact that the Pistons EARNED THEIR CHIPS, AND ALSO DESERVE RESPECT for what they did during that era...
Some consider Mj best of all time I'll stick with Wilt
I will Isaiah Thomas know, what is Michael Jordan saddest moments are is Isaiah.Thomas
psychic. I don't believe so so how the hell we know reading into somebody else mind and speaking out on it is Ludacris and not real. I don't think Michael Jordan got no problems how his career turn out but I bet believe Isaiah Thomas's not proud, of his career, and how it has turned out, so how can you talk about another man and how he feel how it turned the losers always still complaining about what's going on in their life. Magic Johnson is happy about his career. Only this sad is still looking for answers.
it's not about let go or not, Zeke just makes use of MJ to increase his exposure in front of media.
Seems that Jordan is the one who can’t let go….he started it in the Last dance!
Remember it's a documentary.
MJ is too arrogant to apologize . But Zeke trying to live as a so called a_shole its not easy.
MJ isn't the one keeping this going. Isaiah is. AND ALL OF YOU ARE!!!!! MJ is much more intelligent and doesn't waste the time even thinking about Isaiah. He only answers questions about Zeke when he was asked. AND it was not MJ that kept him off the Dream Team- Anyone that really believes that is nuts! Ask the OTHER MJ and LB .The committee wanted the USA team to demonstrate GOOD SPORTSMANSHIP! It was the first time NBA players were allowed in the Olympics. The Pistons walking off the court before the game was even finished just before this all happened did not go well at all with multiple people. Jordan didn't keep him off the Dream Team. Isaiah did it to himself. MJ has much more important things to think about than Isaiah Thomas today. He is not that small! For God's sake let it go.
FROM BRASIL .ISIAH THOMAS USED TO BE THE MOST GREAT MIND SET IN THE HISTORY AT FIRST DESTROY CELTICS OF BIRD THEN OVERCAME LAKERS SHOWTIME AND STOPED MJ FOR YEARS AND EVERYONE WHO LIVED AT THA TIME KNOWS HOW FAR BEYOND A TOUGH TEAM DETROIT BAD BOYS USED TO BE...
Let's call it like it is. To blood and guts players. If Isaiah would of played Jordan one on one . Isaiah would of won a game and Jordan would have won a game. That's how blood and guts players roll. Isaiah Thomas should have been on the dream. He was totally disrespected for that. They did the same thing to Charles Barkley for the Olympic team a one time. I hope Isaiah and Michael Jordan. Do come together one day. They owe that to each other. for being great players. This miracle of Life , should never be wasted . Especially when you're living a good life because of your passed.
I blame Johnson, and Jordan for Tomas being left off dream team. I have seen kids with sportsmanship.
Isiah tremendous IQ
Isiah Thomas always beat Michael Jordan at the highest level of competition: The Eastern Conference Finals -- Isiah Thomas 3, Michael Jordan 1, the one Jordan got, Thomas gave to him and was injured. Jordan was the one getting the rules slighted in his favor through complaining to the league office about the style-of-play of the Pistons and how they were 'dirty' and 'bad for basketball'.
What Happened?:The NBA was going global and Isiah Thomas was President of the Player's Association, fighting for players to get their TV revenue shares due to the new NBA/NBC contract, making sure agents got less money, making sure players got their increases in bonuses, royalties, penalties, dues, and pensions/benefits due to their market share of the revenue(s) combined with players getting the rights over their images/likenesses -- that was Isiah Thomas at the negotiating table, which is why guys coming into the pros in the mid 90's who were rookies got $40-60M guaranteed contracts; it wasn't Michael Jordan, Magic, or Bird negotiating those deals, it was Isiah Thomas...this is why he and his team got labeled as "BAD" or "EVIL" because Isiah Thomas is the ONLY GUY defeating Michael Jordan 3 straight years in the playoffs when Jordan is the #1 money-maker for the NBA.... Remember Jordan's nickname in '89? MONEY. Remember the corporate dollars internationally had to open up those markets and Hanes, Nike, McDonald's, were all invested in Jordan's success... other companies invested in the NBA globally but the Olympic Team opened those doors.
Let Jordan Win: So in the start of the 1990-91 season, Chuck Daly was named Olympic Team coach, even though Riley had more rings and Thomas gets "injured" during that season and in the ECF, Isiah Thomas took only 9 shots in game 1 and 9 shots in game 2 of the 1991 ECF... So guess what? Let Jordan just take 9 shots in each of the first two ECF playoff games and see what happens? Then what happens to the Pistons? They allowed a "SWEEP" to a team they beat 3 straight seasons and then WALKED-OFF... Why? They made it obvious not to compete and what happened the following season for 1991-92? They didn't re-sign Vinnie Johnson and moved James Edwards and that makes it easier for who? Chicago. Remember the Pistons were the only team beating the Bulls then and they were injured in 1991 and didn't want to come back healthy for 1991-92 just to get revenge?
This is why I will always contend that the Pistons and particularly Isiah Thomas, stepped aside for the sake of the progress of the entire NBA and the players financial future by giving up the 1991 ECF to the city of Chicago, his hometown. The 3 guys that led 'the walk-off' Aguirre, Laimbeer, and Thomas -- all 3 guys are from Chicago. Then the Pistons break up their championship-contending team? Why? Who benefits? You see?
Isiah Thomas 3, Michael Jordan 1, the one Jordan got, Isiah gave to him. Why do you think he sat down with blood-shot red eyes with a a pine of liquor crying over a 30 year handshake at 'The Last Dance'?
How do you get mad when you win? The Bulls won, right? So why would Jordan be mad simply because Thomas walked off the court and moved on? You said you hated him so why would you want a handshake from someone you hate?
See, Jordan knows Thomas let him win, Bulls fans cannot accept it but Jordan knows, he was on the court and he knew how hard it was to beat Detroit 3 straight seasons he lost so now he sweeps them? It's that easy?.... Remember, Jordan has a competition problem so he would know if someone let him win and the one thing a person doesn't like when they have a competition problem is someone letting them win -- which is what Thomas did -- he went out on his own terms.
Last time I saw Isiah, he had his head down walking off the court in shame as he and the pistons were swept. No dignity, no respect. That look said it all to me. I've never seen a defending champion go out like that. So it's not how you start, it's how you finish and that the last thing I remember about the pistons vs bulls.
@@adrianprince7266 Isiah Thomas HANDED Michael Jordan the 1991 Eastern Conference Finals -- handed it to him on the silver platter. He had all the dignity in the world, he created a dynasty for the NBA, Jordan, and his home city Chicago.... Remember, the 'Walk-Off' was more of a peaceful protest as was 'the sweep'... there's a reason for it and if you've looked at this, it's obvious. Also, you must understand Chicago/Detroit didn't have a rivalry like Boston/Philly from 1980-1985 where it was Philly one year and Boston the next and back-and-forth; Detroit dominated Chicago throughout the regular season and playoffs from 1988-1990 with a 28-9 record... and then all of a sudden Detroit doesn't know how to win a game in '91?... See, I'd believe what people were saying had Detroit been healthy or if it was a 4-1, 4-2, or 4-3 Chicago win over Detroit in '91 but a sweep? No... especially when Thomas takes only 9 shots in game 1 and 9 shots in game 2 of the 1991 ECF.
To figure this out all you have to do is reverse it: Let Jordan miss 34 games with wrist surgery, get injured in the 2nd round (if that Bulls team gets that far) and then take only 9 shots in game 1 and 9 shots in game 2 of the ECF in either 1991 or 1993 when going for a 3-peat.... Remember, the media went nuts when Jordan just stayed out late gambling so imagine him only taking 9 shots vs. a team he dominated in the playoffs up to that point.... When Jordan retired people were saying he was 'forced out' and they did an investigation on him.... so Thomas taking only 9 shots, yeah, it doesn't make sense... ESPECIALLY when the Pistons broke up their championship team by not re-signing Vinnie Johnson and keeping James Edwards for 1991-92 to get revenge -- makes no sense if you are seriously trying to win titles.
Competition problem? And Rules? What the Jordan Rules?
@@lifeallah8005 I don't know what you are getting at but I was very clear. Jordan knows Thomas let him win in 1991 because he knew how hard it was from 1988-1990 and how easy it was in 1991... when you thrive off of competition, you can see the difference; which is why the 'sweep' and 'walk-off' by Thomas was letting Jordan and the Pistons fans know that they let Jordan win, it's mental warfare which is why Jordan still upset over a 31 year old handshake he didn't get. Why complain when a man you say you hate and a team you hate doesn't shake your hand when YOU WIN.... Remember, Jordan won in 1991 via a sweep and he still mad? It shows you he NEEDED and WANTED validation by Isiah Thomas because he knows Isiah Thomas reigns over him. Michael Jordan CANNOT go back and change history; Isiah Thomas 3, Michael Jordan 1 and the one Jordan got, Thomas handed it to him... Jordan knows this greater than any Bulls fan alive. Pistons fans know it because we understand what was going on during that time and the politics of the NBA because the league itself was against the Pistons winning.
@@plainsimple244 u dont let nobody win bruh lol n if that was the case y he didnt shake his hand when they did lose? N i didnt read all that because its irrelevant … Its called Respect n Isiah didnt show that…
Yes, Jordan is arrogant and an as-hole. But he shook hands with the Pistons 3 straight years when the Pistons knocked them out of the playoffs. He shook hands despite the fact that the Pistons were thugs, and specifically targeted Jordan. That and Isaiah loved to be the tough guy, but only with Lambeer, Mahorn, Rodman, et al were around to protect him.
So yeah, Isaiah can go cry a river ... Jordan owns Isaiah's home town.
Isaiah is a baby. Should go back to kissing Magic
who gives a shit their both rich successful black men and the powers that be always look to pit
1 bad ass blk man against the other.
people need let things go because Zeke is a crybaby, I never like him, he can cry all day long, and you still won't be better than the goat
isaiah's facts will NOT add his name to the dream team. Petty or not, isaiah chose NOT to shake hands and MJ chose NOT to have isaiah on the Dream Team. MJ's choice will forever haunt isaiah.
1stshepherd MJ didnt choose who was gonna be on the dream team . No one wanted Isiah on the dream team
@@christiansoldier77 agreed 🏀👍🏽
As he explained it because Michael Jordan basically disrespected the city of Detroit
But have you heard Michael Jordan never said anything about Isaiah keeping him safe and Chicago when he first got there and that his nephew lived with him
It’s worse than petty , that’s why it won’t hurt Isaiah. Just because he wouldn’t shake his hand he got mad just like a female , hey Jordan can hoop no doubt but like Barkley said Jordan got a lot of ass kissers
@Ren D isaiah said it hurts his resume', not being on the Dream Team. His words
In my 40 years of being an NBA supported I can not for the life of me figure out why this is still a "thing" other than the fact that Zeke refuses to let it go (as if he can somehow change history)! MJ literally puts forth no effort whatsoever to keep this "rivalry" going! Never has! He has always said everything he's wanted to say "on the basketball court!" That man is the epitome of "If I could care less, I would!" He doesn't talk about it; he doesn't respond the the things said about him (even the lies); and he could give two 5h1ts about how people feel about him! Love him or hate him, you can't deny his accomplishments, which is the very thing that drives Zeke and his supporters crazy! And you have to be very young if it's an epiphany to you that Michael Jeffrey Jordan is "arrogant"! How can he not be? That is but one of the traits that has him living on that metaphorical island of his! MJ was a great basketball player (the greatest), but there's a cost to pay for greatness and he'll be paying it for the rest of his life, so Isaiah needs to move on with his.
Isn't it funny with Jordan 's arrogance 😂😂😂😂😂?
Jordan has a massive pride issue and gambling issue.
They both liers and arrogant. All they were is good at basketball.
Society would be just fine without them both.
Fire fighters, teachers, nurses, police etc is a different story