How to make self adhesive tufts and flowers (Flockbox)
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- Preorder my terrain book here -
In this vid, we look at making self adhesive static grass tufts and flowers using the flockbox!
Lea (flockbox creator) - www.warpainter.net
Braggy! - plus.google.co...
Produced with the awesome support of my Patrons! Want to help keep these vids coming as well? Just pledge $1 a month via Paypal on Patreon and help keep the tutorials flowing! - / theterraintutor
Do you build terrain? First time builder? Pro? Checkout the Terrainiacs Facebook terrain builders support group - / theterraintutorsterrai...
Pretty cool. Generally if I want to make a tuft I use a really cheap PVA with high shrinkage. Put a tall blob, dump flock onto in a clump, and smash it down. As the glue dries, and shrinks it's pulls everything up in a sort of "tufty" manner.
Mel, you are a master! This is the best static grass tutorial I have seen. And I have been looking all day! Thanks!
Wow, I never knew how (until now) easy these things were to make, the price they charge for just a few of them at GW is just ridiculous. The the flowers at the end too.. brilliant! Thanks for the tute mate!
Simple tricks bud ;-)
You do very objective thorough, and unbiased reviews Mel. Much appreciated. Cautionary advice, for what it's worth. I see you're working near your computer, but not too close. I use a laptop, and move it away from the "flocker". I don't care to take a chance.
Very good vid Mel very informative and well done. 4mil green and 6 mil yellow makes it look like as the plant grew and matured it died off like in real life. Looks fantastic love adding the flowers makes them so interesting.
Cheers buddy, hope it helps ya!
Got ourselves a static grass applicator for Christmas - this is by far the best tutorial out there for how to use! Thank you, Mel, you never let us down!
Hi Mel, instead of using greaseproof baking paper I have experimented with the protective backing used on double sided adhesive tape (used in another hobby of mine0. It is comparable with baking paper, but of course the tufts when dry just lift straight off. And of course the paper is reusable as well..
I think quality drafting tracing paper could also potentially work too, worth experimenting with, then again, that tracing paper is really quite expensive, especially compared to baking paper or your recycled double sided tape backing.
Those flowers are amazing. Brilliant job!
Hi Mel! Love your work and the way you show it. Congrats and thanks, very good job.
I make my flowers with sand. Soak it with watered paint and dry it with a hairdryer while removing with a stick. When dries, grains separate in a lot of beautiful flowers. :-)
Greetings from Barcelona
Nice mate!
Great presentation, Mel. I haven't touched the stuff, however, strongholds need something to base on. Thanks for sharing.
Stronghold Crafter Kev how big of a base is it going to need mate?
Whatever I can fit on a table.
Fun stuff and good show! I got my Flockbox back in December and it's been a blast.
The silicone paper is impossible to find where I live so I came up with a couple alternatives, and both are plastic. The first is very thin sheets of clear plastic cut out from various product packaging (like the flat parts from blisterpacks). The second is simply the wrappers from soda bottles. PVA doesn't stick to plastic very well, so the tufts come off easily, and the sheets basically never wear out.
You can also do the "drop down" method of sprinkling the static grass, just hook the alligator clip to a metal sieve and shake it over your target item on the flockbox.
Important Note: WarPainter recently sent out an e-mail stating that the Flockbox is usable with a 12V adapter. I have tried it and it doesn't really make that much of a difference, but I think that the longer grasses work a tiny bit better. 6mm still is my longest effective length as well.
duckster313 Thanks for the suggestions, Lea's suggested those and a few other things to play with but we're saving it up for a more advance flockboxing vid mate
Does the static conduct through the plastic (packaging) material? Tempted to try that to save me buying silicon sheets.
@@camy252camy3 The plastic itself is not conductive, but it doesn't block the effect at all. You can easily flock solid 3mm thick bases (I make my own with a 3D printer).
Mel,you are a true gentlemen and thank you for the shout out :)..But you did the hard work of persevering when you got a little stuck.I hope that you do find tuft making rewarding and that you are mastering the techniques that work for you.You did an exceptional job of putting all that information into a video and you should be very proud of the results.I have well over 16,000 tufts made now and have bonded a handle to the top of my metal plate for comfort when making passes over the box.Did you see the photos of my 4.5 kilos of static grass from my visit to WWS ? Also do not forget to water your flowers twice a day .Keep up the good work.
2009braggminiatures Anthony Bragg No worries buddy, yeah I saw the pic, you're maniac mate! lol
TheTerrainTutor cheers,,everything is cheaper in bulk and they are good lads at WWS.Iwas wondering if everything is ok as you was a little down in your Patreon vlog4.You was not quite your bubbly self ?
2009braggminiatures Anthony Bragg
Just painfully tired from the recent manual labour mate, I'm back to my bubbly self now ;-)
Great news
This futorial is the best and seen , it is a great way to save a lot of money in commercial kits !! I love your work and hopefully had level of English enough to follow what you say (in fact this I am translating with google ) hahahahaha .
+ragcnar - Your english is pretty damn good mate and thank you :-)
When you brush your finished tufts as you did for the flowers you can then second pass it over the flock box and get even longer tufts, good for flowers.
That looks a lot easier than I thought it would be. Nice one mate!
jjab99 It's always easier than it looks mate
I thought the same.. Never knew how they were made either till now.. and how easy it was. Thanks Mel :)
They sell the tufts for $20.00 AU at Games Workshop too! Pffrrtt what a rip!
Tim Everton
with knowledge comes power! ;-D
I really like the look of the large round bases at the start of the video. I'm looking at covering a large football pitch (420mm x 840mm) so the first-type of applicator looks interesting. I might have a go at making one of those....
Chris Holden Plenty of tutorials on youtube mate or ship it to me and I'll do it for you ;-)
just a note on the paper i have found a cheep silica paper. go to your $ stor and get a sheet of stikers take all the stikers off and the backing sheet is perfect for making grass tufts
Nice mate! Cheers
Hi, I am Lea who makes the Flockbox and yes I am a guy! :)
A big thanks to Mel for doing the review and giving the Flockbox such a good endorsement!
A couple things I want to point out though;
The Flockbox reviewed should be run at 12 volts and not 9 volts, the pickup rate will be much better though you can step down the voltage when using shorter grass flock such as 1mm
I didn't endorse WWS as they have pinched my Flockbox idea to make their own version, the Flockbox was unique in the world before they came out with their version. Their device will be very much weaker as it runs on a 9v battery rather than the full 12v that the Flockbox runs on.
If anyone has any questions fire away, I will pop back now and then to answer them.
Lea Boultwood So sorry mate! Thanks for jumping in with the additional info :-)
What's the paper used that will help conduct the electric charge? Was it silica or silicon paper?
I'm using matt medium as an adhesive, works fine for me, better then PVA, which can leave some white spots if used too thick.
DerRontje Yep, loads of scrapbookers use it as a glue as well mate, I just find pva cheaper ;-)
TheTerrainTutor Correct there sir ;) I tend to not care much for the price, but PVA is definitely cheaper.
Very nice video. The flower tip is great, as well as the critique on the carpenter glue and silicone paper.
I have actually built a similar contraption following a guide in railroad fanzine on static grass applicators. It is using some Chinese electronic parts bought on ebay at a ridiculously low price. The plus side is that is has two alligators clips so I can revert it and use it as a "classic" applicator too which is much better when you are putting your grass on a hill or something.
I have also found some easy to source silicone backing paper in France. It is a quite new product from Alfapac, very easy to find and not much more expensive than regular baking parchment paper.
[CPC] Vlad Tepes I've considered making my own but I've always been scared of killing myself lol. Nice find on the silicone paper, i just need to find something like that here in the UK.
Gotta ask....being that you are the king of DIY when it comes to this sort of thing...any idea how to make one of these boxes? Mainly what is inside and the wiring? I'd love to get one but shipping from the UK to the US is a bit high and it totals to over $60 USD for one. I'm sure it can be built for a third of that or less.
WWS are great guys, i know them well as they are 5 mins down the road from me and i always go there.
RxPxD You must be round the corner from braggy then mate
I realise its a regional dialect thing but I do find it really funny how frequently you say YE
Very nice tutorial.
Victor Ques Cheers buddy :-)
Great tutorial Mel. I ordered one the other day. Have you tried putting some carpet tape along the long edges of the metal plate? Might insulate it a bit so if you make contact you won't get shocked.
Nice tip mate
Nice result, congratulations. Where to buy and how much does that electrostatic base cost.
Grazie
Very good looking results! :) I like the flowers very much.
***** I've got that many flowers on the go, i could set up a miniature florists!
What about a sunflowers field? :D That would be a little bit challenging, I guess. ;)
*****
Now that would be a challenge matey!
Perhaps you have the time for it. Unfortunately, I don't have it. Hmmm, we'll see. ;)
Could you explain why we would want to use a flock box over a static grass applicator? I have notices from all these tutorials on the flock box that is makes a huge mess of grass all over the place. The static grass applicators are cheaper (from what I have found) and don't make near the mess. You can also just apply the grass right to your build instead of having to make separate tufts, wait for them to dry and then have to apply.
It's about the strength of application mate, the results from the flockbox are far superior to the cheaper applicators, well worth a little cleanup, especially if you put a few bits of paper down.
Hi Mel i found while using the flock box if you have it plug into a power strip at your feet you can turn teh flock box on and off with your foot . it make it easy to flock a load of base for your minis with being shock so much lol. Btw i use the DC power plug from woodland scenic wire cutter to power it .
Its an awesome little machine great to make tufts! But its a little bit fiddling to get exactly the result you are looking for. Did you also try transparent hobby glue from UHU ... someone recommend it to me ... my problem is to get a elastic base of glue that is nearly invisible ... there often appears a small grade that is not flocked ... I figured out that mixing long and short fibers is a way to give it a better fill & finish ...
TT-Lenny´s Gaming News, Terrain & GamingTable Service Haven't tried that glue but I'm getting good coverage with the carpet tactifier, above all, it seems just to be down to putting the time in to get thick tufts, mixing it up should help though mate :-)
I'm just thinking, looking at the close up effect of the static, you could probably get the same result by rubbing an ordinary balloon on carpet, obviously with the sticky blobs on the balloon?
I wouldn't be too worried about the lighter flock not reacting as well to static electricity - it's supposed to represent more dried out and dying foilage, after all. I'd only be worried if I was doing a complete groundcover as a dried out grassland or a savannah.
+Candi Walkowski It's a little annoying but I've found the sprinkle down method resolves that with the latest version of the flockbox mate
I was about to subscribe based on this video but as it turns out I was already subscribed but ive not noticed any of your videos pop up in my feed :( perhaps that will change now I have watched and will be watching more of your video's
This video just saved me a lot of money ! Thank you very, very much ;)
It's what I'm here for buddy!
Mel, I know absolutely nothing about these but would it be worth mounting cork bump stops or something similar to the plate to pitch it at the correct height for application? Would also prevent an accidental drop. Just a thought!
Survivor You could do mate, I find the fear of getting shocked enough to make sure I'm careful lol
Just found your channel, very helpful and informative, however, can’t help but hear a crossover in voice of ‘ItsMyNaturalColour’ and Bob Mortimer
Good Video Mel. Very informative. Would a "Normal" static grass applicator (such as WWS) not also make tufts. I was thinking about possible longer grass to simulate reeds / bullrushes etc.
Noice
With so many flock shops in the UK you are all privileged to live in the UK, there's the flockingshop.co.uk, theflockshop.co.uk, flocking.com, floc-king.co.uk. In Spain you are hard pressed to find vendors that sell such varies nylon fiber flock in different colours and sizes compared with the UK. Making best of the free EU import taxes before Breixt (IF Brexit ! - ok I was joking don't flame me). Be proud to be British due to flock availability. And the Warpainter.net flocking machine works well, tried it with a 9V battery and it worked, going to try it with a universal power adapter which can set the volts to 9v and 12v which is at 1000mA and can reverse the polarity if need be and I should be happy as Larry.
try flocking.biz mate
very nice and easy to make
Benoit Vanderzippe Easy peasy :-)
Yo, buddy. Great series of programs. enjoyed them all. Thanks a lot. ;-)
Great to hear the health warning, I have a dodgy heart and wouldn't want to touch the plate.
A very good tutorial, may well have to get one of those. Top marks :0)
***** its decided!
vonketteringham They're well worth it if you're basing lots mate
As I mentioned in a previous comment on a different video I'm doing my first diorama and it's 164th scale I recently ordered some 4 mil static grass what size would you recommend for a s scale diorama or 164th scale?
How about laying some balsa wood on the flockbox at the correct height to prevent touching the plate to the box?
+mailperson It'd probably knock the tufts as you move the plate around, so it would mess them up.
Not if you place them outside of the plate, you can tape them on
Nice show, now I know that the box isn't for me, as I have some 10 and 12 mm grass from WWS. Do you have a way to apply these long grass with the standard static applicator, or any other method?
no, I just put 6mm down with the flockbox, brush it with pva and layer another layer of 6mm on it mate
Thanks for the tip.
What about irregular surfaces? If you're trying to apply flock to an irregular rock formation, for example, what do you do? EDIT: As in, what product do you use?
Alderick van Klaveren Not so good to be honest, for those use a standard static grass applicator like the one I showed :-)
Alderick van Klaveren How about sticking it to the metal surface and then cover it in the grass?
Bonzer vid, Mel.
***** Cheers
yeh i agree with it all
Very helpful indeed - especially like the flowers - thanks
hmm im wondering if you just need a more powerful applicator and not this box ... how are you going to use that box on a larger scale model ?
Hi, The Terrain Tutor or anyone help ! advice needed I bought a few big bags of 10mm static grass and realized that my flockbox would not make it stand upright with PVA glue using every possible technique with the device i.e. on the plate and nicely thinned out with the sieve or falling down onto the silicone paper with pva glue from a sieve with the 2nd cable attached - it just didn't work the 10mm grass lay flat or stuck on at weird angles and looked quite bald on the pva glue. In all fairness the flockbox from warpainter is great for 4mm-6mm longer grasses that works fine but 10mm no way (and they don't claim it does). Can you think of a device or a technique to get that 10mm grass to stand upright and uniform ? I've had a few ideas which I haven't tried out yet i.e. using Noch's electro conductive glue, or sticking a metal pin right in the middle of the pva glue and attaching the cable to it directly via the flockbox, even using a vacuum cleaner to suck the fibers up from the glue (I doubt that will work). Anyone got any alternative ideas or have found a way of getting 10mm grass to stand up ? I've got two big bags of the stuff and do not want it to go to waste and want really tall jungle grass on my miniature bases. The Noch static grass applicator 'claims' to be able to do up to 12mm grass upright and even has a filter for such but reading the amazon reviews for Germany amazon.de for the product one guy states it cannot really or at least it struggles to do so.
The box applicator looks great for making tufts but the standard style applicator has a much greater range of utility.
Any advice on doing taller tufts? I have tried several ways of doing 12mm tufts and they never turn out right.
Hi, I'm from Belgium. I really like your videos and I really want to start making scenic landscapes, but I don't know/find a shop or website here in Belgium where to buy the flock, turf, foliage, etc... Do you know one by accident ?? Thank you very much.
Google is your best friend ;)
Hello !! The flockbox isn't available anymore, do you know where i can buy one please ? thx
Hey Mel, I know this is an old video, but I got one of these boxes last Xmas, and I've only just gotten around to use it ... have a few questions about the flocking. Do you use 50/50 PVA, as I'm finding the areas I'm trying to flock look really sparse and pretty terrible to be honest, Done a few Warlord German bases but I'm not getting any results like you've managed in your videos. Also, I'm finding the static grass is flying around everywhere, like if you imagine to opposite magnetic poles, rather than the grass being attracted to the base ... any hints or advice?
Neat pva, are you sure you have the wires the right way round mate?
Course, I read the destructions :) ... Is there a considerable difference in using a 12v adapter to a 9v battery? ...
Carl Mayne
oh yes!
Do you havwva link for the carpet tackifier glue
very nice vid, thx for the tips.
Brabo Painter No worries mate
very helpful
where is the link to ebay that Lea use to buy the silicon paper may i ask, ? i don't know where to find it in your video
Check his site warpainter.net, there's links on his resources page mate
thank you
What exactly is the brand name of the glue
I would like it very much if I could get the name of the ground clutter as well as there website if you please. I would like to try to make some tuffs and flowers for dioramas please.
www.warpainter.net
Lovely!
+Vikki Wilson Thanks
I think pace makers will be fine!
yes the photos are an error attached (do not take them into consideration :)
How is the tacky glue called? carpet-teck-fy? can't find it anywhere
Its a latex glue mate
Impressive!
Gothead420 Thanks :-)
I just got zapped by my new box. Didn't hurt but i felt it
Nice video, subbed ;)
CorvusMiniatures Welcome aboard mate
great review :)
unkhter Cheers
The yellow static grass on the 1st example looks like moss
To me the yellow one looks far more natural rather than the other looks like a golf course but I think they both have their place.
Why do they stick to the sheet? what glue to use?
I'd like to know that as well. Couldn't find glue on Lea's website 🤷🏻♂️
Red flower tub, looks like you have 10 grands worth of Saffron lol
Your techniques are excellent. Please don't drag your videos. Make them short and nice.
Anyone ever try this on a silicon baking mat?
Not tried it but I think the silicone would negate the static change mate
Carpet tack what glue???
carpet tackifier glue mate
Can you give a hint what to buy if I need larger amounts... It seems to be impossible to get in Germany and if I order from the UK it has to be some to be worth it.
yeah.
Great work. Do you know how many times you say 'yeah' in 1 sentence/1 video? LOL Just stirring, a tiny bit distracting for those who hail from places other than your locale. (But definitely more clearly spoken, much easier to follow & absolutely nowhere near as annoying as American tutorial presenters who start every sentence with "Go ahead & ..." ) Thanks so much for the info :)
Yeh
mouldy warts..specially grown for terrain lol!
Yea?
ROFL @ 15:47
Very nice video. It would be better if you did not move your hands so much.
well its ok just dont like eletrelstff ben shocked before and birnt by D I Y thing when my dad whas hare had do that dont now eseshaly the car i think live with out
redgreen09 I'm careful on the shocks mate
To much speak ,,,just make simple !!!don't make people boring hear you old man!
STOP SAYING YEAH!
Davey Jones what’s wrong with ya mate