Matt Rife Scandal | Stavros Halkias on We Might Be Drunk
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- Опубликовано: 12 дек 2023
- The boys give their take on the Matt Rife comedy scandal.
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@WeMightBeDrunkPod - Ep. 158: Stavros Halkias
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Its impressive how Mark Normand has no idea how food is made as a 40 year old.
@@thelifeaquatica that explains the farts
Comedy
Haha does he really? I wouldn't be surprised one bit. @@thelifeaquatica
farmers grow it using water and sun
Mark Normand has big doesn't know how to cook energy
they way they both laughed to the "not the jokes, we beat women all the time" line. shows how simply the delivery of a quality joke can turn it from innocent to offensive
Finally a video of comedians actually discussing a joke instead of crying how they should be allowed to say anything, but no one else should have an opinion. This is actually enjoyable and enlightening.
This is the kind of conversation I come to podcasts for, tbh.
I like that they really broke down the joke and how a special should be structured
Yes fr, I’m tired of seeing “comedians” complain that they can’t say anything anymore when they make shitty edgy jokes. “Oh I went on stage and talked about how much I hate transgender people and everyone is upset” yeah because you can’t just go say offensive shit and expect it to be funny, that’s the middle school style of comedy.
I agree. But I wish there were more funny clips from this show. Everything I see on here is a snooze fest because all they talk about is the craft
Because it's a conversation between comedians that are actually worth a shit and not a circlejerk of comedy hacks
Stavy nailed it, can't be edgy and mediocre funny
Rife is gay but stav was both edgy and mediocre funny at one point too. He can just grift and pander better
@@jeromeridgley2259 i honestly don't see anything edgy about stav humor, he literally does situation story comedy
I like how he says “white people should almost never say the N word” when the podcast that made him famous was all about finding creative ways to sneak in an N word.
Define funny
Stav has some of best, most grounded, human takes in comedy.
I like how they went into act structures and the technicalities of sequencing jokes. They show their experience and love for stand up when doing that.
It’s gay as shit when they talk about joke structure and stuff, cringe as fuck
truly these guys are craftsmen. matt is an edgy weenie
That's literally the difference between Rife and these guys. Understanding joke structure, building goodwill with the audience, before dumping controversy on them, etc.
And then Matt Rife just ham-fists a domestic violence joke into the first 5 minutes of his act. It stinks of desperation and it's hacky.
Agreed. The only way a joke like that works as an opener is if you're Chris Rock, who says the outlandish thing first, and then hits you with it over and over and over until you finally come around to seeing it his way.
I mean it’s cool and all but I wish they’d throw in more zingers here and there
I'd go so far as to say that not only did Matt Rife plan it, he put out his fake apology before giving anyone time to be offended by it. Bottom line is that he's a Tiktok comic from a generation that only knows how to create buzz by controversy, so that's exactly what he did.
What do I need to take to reach this level of paranoia?
He's gotten so much traction from getting "cancelled" too; so many more people are talking about him than they ever were before
@@gl7313if you aren’t aware of rage bait being everywhere as you sit on RUclips then you are a lost cause my friend
This is the first time I've heard these guys talk about actual comedy strategy and structure. It's kind of weird to think so much calculation goes into it behind the scenes but their entire job is to make it look effortless.
Rogan and the other big pods made me realise it quite a while ago, we can all be funny/know funny people with new smart premises and punchlines etc, but the profession of stand up comedy is a whole different thing. Some of the people i really love and think are my favourited on panel shows etc i dont really like as stand ups much
@@JW-qf2fxit’s interesting, most comedians are funny people, and they were equally funny before and after writing their special.. but the special requires such a particular type of effort, you fuck that up and it won’t be funny
@@nickelodeann agree - this one felt a bit hacky in an anti woke/ anti PC way, and just lacked the usual oomph. Normally i feel like he is delivering new info or info from a new angle, and this just felt stale and lazy
Check out the podcast inside jokes. Andrew Schulz used to actually say interesting shit in terms of joke structure and sequencing rather than what he does now. It makes you realize how scientific the process is
Matt Rife was the first person talking about him "getting in trouble" for the joke. He did do it on purpose. It was a marketing stunt.
It’s just not true, as soon as it came out there were tik toks being made trying to cancel him. It felt very forced from the beginning but not from him
@@OfficialNiceit was him on purpose. He even said it in the Jordan Peterson video.
He wanted to disassociate with the image of being only pretty and liked by predominantly women part.
His PR team deserves a raise.
@@daviddegea3373 Eh, I'd fire his PR team. He just went from being super popular, to being a joke himself.
@@daviddegea3373 it's a dumb move. he won't sell tickets to the right wing rogan fans that he's appealing to with this move. and he's attacking the audience that have been buying his tickets. his ego couldn't cope with women buying his tickets. he'll be fine, but dumb move.
@@michealangelo12865no he didn’t fail lol. He’s selling out like crazy
"better than the old term, tard cooker" lmao dude is awesome with the puns
He stole that joke from a guest on kill Tony. Don't tell yourself that he made it up
@ZCC1997 Bro it's not a complicated joke and it's the kind of thing Mark says all the time. Unless ot was a guest who was on with Mark, it's very unlikely he took it. I doubt very much he watches kill tony
Is that a pun? Does 'tard cooker' sound like something else?
It’s a pun it’s been said before lol
@HighSociety1995 What's the pun though?
Marks “reallly?” Is the most obvious “I’m bored by this conversation” active listening I’ve ever heard
I wish comics would talk about the fact Matt Rife's special was bad. Poorly written jokes. Didn't really hit at all. Dead crowd. It was a dumpster fire. However Matt does have some funny crowd work. It was just a terrible hour. It happens.
I think him and Trevor Wallace are just starting to figure out the stand up thing. Vs these guys who have Been at the top for years
two of his(Rife’s) previous RUclips specials were much better. The Netflix one just wasn’t good, it just seemed rushed.
They probably don’t want to shit on a guy they probably will work around/with. But yeah, the special was laughless. The RUclips special of has good moments, it feels like he has to prove to himself that he can be subversive and it is to no one’s benefit
Geoffrey Ausmus has been saying that its the worst special he's ever seen...
Haven't seen the special but seen a few of his RUclips videos. It's like 1 real joke then 9 minutes of crowd work about the joke.
Having never seen this special or heard the name "Matt Rife" prior to the controversy, leading with an edgy joke definitely seems to have worked for marketing even if it wasn't intentional
Unfortunately, he's not edgy.
i saw him at rogan first. but sometimes when u hit the controversy point it means ur hitting a peak in your carreer. like when they went after rogan or dave chapelle in the media etc.
@@thejosh3866 It does all seem rather manufactured. all over a hack joke
@@oui2611what was the controversy ? I’m genuinely confused as to what he said that was so bad
He was hugely popular among women, it was a good marketing ploy to get a male audience at the cost of his female audience, his big problem with this in the long run is he wasn't that funny
3 wise comedians I've been so pleased to watch become the next level of humor and fighting what might be the tuffest time for comedy as long as I've been enjoying it.
Great conversation!
Chris Rock set up his "black eye" with a clear intention, then a hilarious bait 'n switch:
"I'd never hit a woman...never.hit.a woman...BUT, I'd shake the shit out of one!"
Rock's execution was perfect delivering it, with his slight frame and high pitched voice undercutting any menace in the lines.
I agree with Stav if you’re gonna do a joke on a sketchy topic it better kill or else it’s tasteless. Bill Burr did a joke about hitting women and it was insanely hilarious. He carefully and brilliantly walked the audience through the bit to where women were laughing. Now that’s ingenious comedy when the target laughs at themself.
Leave it to stav to think he correct and funny
Yes! I find it weird people keep comparing him to other “edgy” comedians. Comedians like Anthony Jeselnik and Bill Burr are proof that you can have dark or edgy humor and make it work….there will always be a few still outraged, but there’s a reason why Bill Burr’s joke about hitting women is funny….because it’s not just the lazy “women belong in the kitchen” bit.
@@audreyxatomic Exactly.
You all are to sensitive
Bill Burr also got heat for the DV joke... The difference is Bill Burr didnt have thousands of non-comedy fans shocked at some "betrayal" of his fan base 😂
it's true -- taboo subject matter is WHERE comedians should be, but it's got to be a banger
Patrice O'neal or Norm Macdonald would do something like that just to piss an audience off and then pull them back in like a challenge. Matt Rife is not in the same universe as those guys.
/reality
Yeah but Patrice pointed out that the attempt is what matters. Funny jokes and unfunny jokes come out of the same intention.
@@immanuelcunt7296true, can’t blame someone for trying
Not yet, but he's also still pretty new. Hopefully he gets to that level.
Matt Rife 100% said he told that joke on purpose to kind of put his foot down and say, "I'm not just catering to woman that think I'm hot."
Exactly right. Imagine being an unfunny comedian that coasts on a single audience demographic, and then deliberately alienating that demographic in your opening joke. Wild
@Nn-uh2kb you know better i suppose random person on RUclips
maybe he should’ve made the joke funny. Or maybe not, seems like weak jokes brought him the outrage viewers.
@andreddd89 Apparently I do. There are a number of famous comedians who have expressed similar views, if that's more to your preference.
@@Nn-uh2kb He's actually very funny. Sounds like you've never watched any of his youtube standups or crowd work. The joke was not very good, I'll give you that but if you can't take a joke then why are you even watching comedy? I think that's the point.
I’ve seen stav live a couple of times, and i will say his netflix special is a huge improvement. Dont get me wrong the old stuff had me crying laughing but him diversifying his jokes with topical stuff and long stories really made it more entertaining as a special.
Strav and Mark look like a before and after pic
When writing a joke, your intent should be to make the audience laugh. If your intent first and foremost is to offend, then you’re more than likely just writing an offensive statement. The best way to write a joke about something dark/offensive is to make sure it makes the people it’s about laugh. A good domestic violence joke should make victims of the issue laugh, rather than sound like something your drunk uncle would say at Thanksgiving.
2:43 both Mark and Stavy synced up out of nowhere..
The fact that a lot of Rife’s ‘fans’ probably have live laugh love stuff in their home, and he knows it, makes that joke pretty funny as an opener.
Yeah but that’s you laughing at the concept of the joke rather than the joke. That’s the situation a lot of comedians are drawn towards creating when they write hacky material. Would’ve hit even harder if it was an airtight joke about abuse that was actually good.
@@TheShaggyGriffinion even like the dude ion think he has any solid jokes anymore i used to watch him when he first came out but now just no
@@cartoonhistory353 I didn’t like him at all when I first saw him a few years ago. Laughs at his own jokes too much. Gave me kind of an ick when watching. Decided to watch his specials so I could give him a fair shot, but it was all pretty mid. Found out that his comedy isn’t bad enough to hate him, but it’s nowhere near good enough for me to be a fan. His crowd work is alright but I think there’s comics that are far better at crowd work.
@@TheShaggyGriffin I agree. If you aim for the fences so to speak with a joke about beating your old lady it’s got to be a guaranteed grand slam. Even then it’s a questionable move. Nobody was seriously injured by it though so I’m sure this Rife fellow will survive
That was a very insightful conversation, thanks guy!
spot on every point
every time any of ye made a point i nearly hit like again
i'm a jordan peterson fan for the most part but when one of you said '''sorry i'm drunk and won't have linked if i wasn't, let alone commented'' said it was sort of calculated to disway his female fan base, man he was quick to go on jordans postcast
i didn't even know he was on netflix till that was already clipped on my youtube feed about the whole website for helmets thing
This is such a refreshing conversation to see about it
Stavros looks like if Santa had a son that refused to become the next Christmas prodigy so he just started doing podcasting.
😂😅😂😅😂😅😂
Was a big fan of the joke construction conversation.
Starting with easier vs harder stuff and what topic should go where. Stuff I ponder all the time for longer sets and it’s amazing how much the order matters in how well a joke goes if you move it from earlier in your set to later and vice versa.
really good insight guys, its nice to have how i feel but cant put into words articulated. as a wordsmith it can be frustrating, and yes i define myself that way suck it
Stavros Nailed the problem with Matt, he tried to burn his core audience of women to make his comedy career legit but he's not actually a good comedian so even the comedy fans aren't having it. Bad miscalculation imo
This is it, exactly. 👆
It is so fawking cool to hear Savy talk about the work that went into the making of his spesh. Right on right on.
Stav is so right. This is why Norm McDonald could say just about whatever the fuck he wanted and never get canceled or called out.
This is super interesting to hear them talk about structure and pacing
Bill burr did the domestic violence joke perfectly. No one will probably Ever top
Except Bill got quite a bit of pushback for his SNL set.
@drystkrab269 What does this have to do with the domestic violence bit? The bit the other guy refers was the "No reason to hit a woman", which was in a 2010 special, nearly a decade before his SNL appearance. Not to mention, for all the "trouble" he got into, not only did his career not suffer, but he actually exploded afterwards.
As a woman I agree. Bill burr is one of my favorites because of how well he handles sensitive topics like DV. Matt Rife’s comedy feels like I’m watching a frat bro being forced to do a set during rush week lol
I went into the special almost immediately after the release. The thing was not yet blown out of proportion. Fresh eyes... Well, like the whole audience then and there I didn't even notice. It's not the best joke, it's not the worst. I wasn't even a fan of Matt Rife, watched him on a very few occasions, didn't even know about him being famous for crowd work (I don't have TikTok). I went in almost blindly. And I liked the set. The mic drop was a bit much but apart from that, I liked it. Everything about this affair is so stupid. Not even worth mentioning. Matt will be fine.
This conversation was honestly impressive to witness, true stand up pros right here.
Agreed! Love to hear them talk about the craft.
"Can you believe how much trouble he got in over that?" Literally nothing happened to him outside of some women got mad. He faced no consequences or anything. Stop tryna make this some shit that its not
Exactly, people now are too quick to tell the world they're cancelled so they can get on all the podcasts to talk about it
Why is it people that go to comedy shows, can’t differentiate between reality and comedy? Two totally fucking different things ,and if you’re at a comedy show you’re there for comedy…leave reality at home?
I love that QUEEF plaque on the wall, it's great because Mark says "queef" someone should send him in one that says "FAKE LAUGH"
Comedy is "getting away with it". Rife knew the joke wasnt strong and led with it in the hopes of getting cancelled so that he could wear that as a badge of honor. He didn't get away with it because his broader intentions were too transparent.
or it was a risky opener to feel out the crowd.. comics do that all the time
only tik tok girls are shocked at that joke. comedy fans hear worse every week on Kill Tony
@@choppatool Tiktok girls are exactly his audience.
@@anthonyrusso6696 that's the thing, they're not... they just wanted to own the cute white boy
he has 3 specials out.. his real fans know how dark his style is..that DV joke was light
@@choppatoolwhat is dark about his humor?
This was the best breakdown. When I tell people his special wasn't very good, they think I'm making some political statement, but it's like, no the jokes just weren't structured well and the punchlines had no payoff. I've heard him be funny in videos, he just needs to put care into his act.
Anyone know what pants brand Normand is wearing?
Mark Normand proves the point here. He says a lot of fucked up jokes but his punchlines are so strong and delivery so good that he can get away with it.
Matt Rife’s joke was just garbage
Yeah, it felt like Matt was trying to be offensive, and that was the part I think people were offended by. If that makes sense? "He tried to hurt my feelings, and that hurts" vs like you say, Mark is clearly joking, way funnier, and there's no agenda?
@@MasterMemo another way of describing this: most jokes have a punch line. Matt’s jokes just had someone he was punching and he hoped that was funny enough.
I'm not mad at Matt Rife for making a DA joke, I'm mad at him for releasing a hot trash special.
Same, was really expecting more
I honestly couldn’t believe how much that shit sucked.
100%
It looked like mark was trying to mime communicate to stavy to get him to hold the mic closer to his face
saw Mark in Norfolk on the 15th and he was awesome
I listen to Stavvys world every week and have to say he is a very inquisitive dude stavvy. When it comes down to it he has really insightful takes on things.
I gotta start listening to his podcast, because he is a solid standup and he's smart as fuck! Stavros *gets* it. Both specials are fantastic, too.
Couldn’t agree more bro
Louis CK said the”N” word and it was hilarious
Louis is on a different plane comedically.
Man that bit is a classic
It was also infront of Patrice and he loved it.
I herd matt rife say he toured with Ralphie may so I guess he's been around for a minute
Drink every time Stavros says "Structurally"
Can’t wait for Matt rifes next speacial hahaha
Jst noticed that queef sign on the wall ha
I think I saw mark normand on an episode of big bang theory last night
Tard cooker is my new go to if I ever decide to use one
You guys have really been pumping clips out lately. What a good idea…
My buddy sent me a matt rife older set a year ago and i gave up after 10min. It was easy to see what the punchline was gonna be since i have heard them before. Stav is on point whether you like his work or dont
Stavy is a great example of a diamond in the rough comedian. Mans is just naturally funny as fuck
Matt Rife doing the Dane Cook speedrun
0:07 this camera angle is crazy lol
See what happens when you build an all female audience as a good looking guy? That joke was TAME! I guess so many of his female fans who never actually went to his shows and only know his tictok crowd work shorts, didn't realize that not all of his material is crowd work with "THE LAYDEEES"
The most offensive thing about that joke was it felt kinda hacky. Ooooo woman should stay in the kitchen, nobody has done that before.
I’d tell a variation of this joke back in high school, so like 04’. Even then I had heard the joke from someone else! It’s an old and hack joke that everyone who loves comedy knows.
@@ODSTAcesame here... Mat is just not funny lol that is what should get him canceled, we really need to stop giving trash comedians the time of day
@@ODSTAce Yeah, there's a million variations of that joke.
@@floridamanHooningyep. Modern dane cook. Popular due to looks. At least dane could be entertaining with his actual bits. This rife guy doing fuckin motivational quotes on stage is embarassing
@@floridamanHooning Then stop talking about him. All publicity is good publicity, you talking about him is giving him the time of day. You think hes a shit comedian and that he shouldnt be getting the time of day yet youre not doing the one thing in your power to not contribute to his success, which is ignore him.
"Is it pronounced Stavos?" - Smart Brogan
The funniest special of 2023 was "Soup to Nuts".
Found Mark's alt! 😂
If you're going to tell a joke about DV, you can't tell one that predictable, or that over-done
Matt talked in podcasts about the fact that the ladies that come to his shows are not comedy fans, therefor he tries to set up the tone right away so they understand that they didn't come to a sweet crowd work show (has they could believe from his tik tok clips)
maybe he could try being funny
When you dance on a line, it better be a good dance
Move your guests mic so they can look at you and talk into the mic at the same time
Rife talked about hanging with and getting advice from Dave Chappelle leading up to the special... and that joke is straight out of the Dave Chappelle playbook. The problem is, Dave can pull it off and make it funny and did the work over decades to earn it. Matt Rife just doesn't have the chops to pull that move off... not yet at least. It sounds like he has worked his way up through the club level stuff but jumped ahead recently... so some learning to do.
People forget Rodney Dangerfield has some of the best spouse abuse jokes and no one batted an eye.
Stav had a very tuff crowd for his special
My thoughts exactly. Ride’s joke wasn’t anything crazy and didn’t deserve the degree of backlash that it got, but the fact that 1. His audience is mostly young women 2. He put the joke right at the front of the special where the most people (including people who aren’t into that style of comedy) would see it and 3. It wasn’t honestly that good of a joke pretty much set him up for failure.
I’m not a Matt Rife fan at all and I love Normand and stand up comedy but I actually think the joke was not that bad. I’ve heard worse jokes from better comedians than that
That's what i said the jock wasn't offensive to me considering I'm a woman and i have experienced DV it was a bad joke it looked like he just wanted to be edgy and he was pushing it.i think if he said it in the middle when the crowd was more warmed up it wouldn't be such a big deal
Mark get your wife a Instant Pot pressure cooker. I cooked a lot of beans and soups, stews. Cooking them on the stove can take 3-4 hrs. Pressure turns it into an hour. I refused to get one and was gifted one and it changed my cooking forever. Hard uncooked beans, hour later, soft nice cooked beans.
Very true!
Can we send Norman back to the 20's already
Mark is mark thank you dude
My man Ron Jeremy looking rough
Hit the nail on the head gents
I saw Matt’s special and I think he is peaking before he & his material are ready. It wasn’t bad but I wasn’t like…wow, he’s really funny. He was funnier than I expected.
The only thing that annoys me is the way he says certain words like “bro” etc. He says it A LOT but then gets better towards the end when he is less nervous (?).
I tried to watch it and saw the joke. It's literally a street joke that one uncle would tell
Louis CK has the 2 best n word jokes ever. One on O & A with Patrice and once while talking about mark twain.
That couch looks so uncomfortable!
Anthony jeselnik said “comedy is the art of getting away with it” meaning a good comic can tell an offensive joke in such a way that it’s funny and no loner offensive. Mediocre comedians are the ones that cry about getting cancelled
Its because his fan base has probably never ever seen comedy before lol
To be fair, Matt isnt exactly the strongest Joke writer....Stav is 100%, He's a good looking charismatic guy who can do a little Crowd work, but His actual Jokes arent funny at all. tbh
LOVED hearing you guys break it down tho and actually get into the structure of it.
Freedom of speech is crucial. But it doesn't absolve you of consequence. Needs finesse: simple as that!
Did you guys see Troy bond say it? He's pretty darn good
The odd thing is how critical Stavvy has been, especially recently, but his own special was pretty meh. Comparing him to Shane, both Shane’s YT special and NF special were considerably better. Stavvy might benefit from not shitting on other ppl so much.
The Rife thing was absolutely him trying to prove hes not a comedian for "girls" bc it was the ladies who promoted the hell outta him and people thought of him as a chris delia (for his stand up) where enough white girls like him to sustain his career. it was a bad move bc the joke was half assed and at the start where anyone who clicks on it is at least gonna hear that joke before they decide to stop watching. Now neither side likes him bc it was mad transparent lol. I never cared about him either way but the special wasnt awful.
did you just imply Chris Delia isn't funny? 😂😂
@@choppatool No, i said it. His stand up is genuinely terrible. Rambling while repeating set ups to a joke and adding an odd fake accent to it is just bad stand up. Love his podcast and his podcast appearances though. He's funny everywhere except standup
@@pocketgrim4942 art is certainly subjective because Delia is one of those evenly funny comics.
like you don't even have to be overly conservative or liberal to get his humour, so I'm tryna find your angle
Will Stavros be going on the Adam Friesland show?
First I've heard of him so it worked 😅
I heard all the buzz about the controversy but never heard the joke until just now. When I saw the clip I literally said out loud... "that's it???"
I always thought Matt looks and sounds like Sid the Sloth
My theory is that he either explicitly wants more men at his shows. Is sick of the fuckboy image and put out a sub par Netflix special almost as a fuck you. Dude is rich af, he’s not getting cancelled. And as a comic it must suck to get stereotyped and heckled by women every show when you’re building an act. Maybe his career benefits from a few years of more men at his shows. Also, dude is loaded and is a real comic w/ an ego - you wanna be funny and gain the respect of your peers.
The problem is he hasn't been funny to get more men to watch him. Women will always go watch a sexy comic, that's how even Dane Cook had a run as one of the best selling stand-ups out there. The problem with Cook and now Rife is they let the quantity of ticket sales get in the way of the quality of their material and therefore the quality of their audience. If he was really that unhappy, Rife could've pulled a Chappelle and went underground to reinvent himself. But he was too in love with his paycheck and lifestyle, so he continued with the tried and true method of hacky jokes. So even if he gets some attention due to controversy, that won't bring him new quality fans, because he just isn't very good at this stage in his career. Some poor souls might make the mistake to buy tickets for him once, just to see what the fuss is about. But if he doesn’t manage to turn them into fans, it's over for him.
Matt blew up for his looks and his crowd work. He just isn't a great joke writer
I always thought these guys were a couple of dummies but I just noticed the queef wall plaque 🎩
Stavors always kils me!
Man, it's not that the joke is getting him in trouble, it's hack af. I heard that joke on the playground when I was in 3rd grade. It sucks and you shouldn't be afraid to admit it
The three most level headed comics of the 2020s who happen to be the funniest.
Meh stavie has the best head on them the other 2 are great but I think they feel they are smarter than they are while stavy is humble
Got the same pants on
Mark’s wife does not “love to cook” if she’s using a slow cooker 😂
Slow cookers are great. They turn cheap cuts into tender feasts.
@@Misterz3r0 Exactly! I’m not dissing the slow cooker, you throw any old shite in there n it’s ends up alrite