On teaching about slavery: the argument to these conservatives should always be Germany, imagine Germany just denying the Holocaust happened and not teaching about it to school children. Imagine the rest of the world observing that and recognizing how strange and repressive that would seem. Sometimes the analogy is right there it just comes from somewhere else. I think that is explored in a book called History and Obstinacy - Negt and Kluge.
Slavery is a huge part of our high school curriculum. There is an official month dedicated to black history, and an unofficial but widely observed day. Slavery is discussed on American news networks and among academics fairly often. It’s really a poor analogy, and you’re making a mockery of your argument. I disagree with pretty much everything Sam says ( I’m only here because I’m bored ) but I think we do enough. The real interesting thing here is that you are white trying to understand the black experience, but are unable to look at the present moment. Liberals are incapable of accepting the black community as it currently is, which is a sore sight. Black republicans will be the first to tell you this. There’s no easy answer, but we could start by acknowledging blackon black violence. The falsehood of police brutality. The drugs, sex and infelicities of rap music. There is a black identity crisis going on, and you aren’t helping the cause by intellectualizing from your armchair. I grew up around mostly blacks, and I know they hate that sh1t. They are self aware, but they don’t stand a chance against this cultural behemoth + being born into poverty doesn’t help. I wish the answer was as simple as you think it is, so we could get straight to work, but it’s actually multi layered. Trump was mentioned in over 100 hip hop songs before he ran.. he had a girlfriend was half black.. look up his Platinum plan.. He got 1/5 black votes in 2020. A change is coming, and hopefully it will come soon enough to save America from the high horse Baizuo.
That’s literally what the whole world does with every single historical atrocity, with the single exception of the Holocaust. Germans repenting for and teaching about the Holocaust is the single solitary example throughout history of this happening unfortunately.
one thing that he does not include is that here in the US we had a HUGE amount of DENIERS. People who refused to wear masks, refused to stop going to bars, refused to stop flying/travel. People who purposely didnt give a crap about anyone but themselves. Most other countries did not have a congruent group of inconsiderate a$$holes.
@@Neofilmcritic With Fox News and the entire Republican party cranking out anti-mask propaganda and saying the virus was nothing to be worried about? My comment is anecdotal but that doesnt make it untrue.
I know, I know, but here in Europe, the slightest critic of Israel's policy is also taken as antisemitism. For instance, see what happened to Jeremy Corbyn in UK. So it's good to see citizens of the State that is the main support of Israel no matter who's in charge to state the "risky" obvious. So what's next ? Only strong economic and diplomatic sanctions against Israel will have an effect on its criminal policies. As we say in France, "touch the wallet". It was done against South Africa. By the way, did you know that during this period of isolation, the only country that discreetly carried on its relationships with South Africa by collaborating with its government on military and security matters was... Israel. Any plans in advance ?
@@SlimKeith11 I guess so. Even Jewish people can be antisemitic for Israel. That just don't mean anything anyway. Israel is the most antisemitic state since Palestinians as all the Arabs are semitic. To talk about Judeophobia would be more accurate.
1:27:29 Really wish they will just focus on the controls policy if it is most likely that we will never know if the virus was leaked from the lab. Let's just assume that it did and implement controls based on that possibility.
Exactly... and the decrease in the stock is a fraction of that (-1.76% year to date). Also, who tells the world they want to sell a massive position before doing so? Just like Warren Buffet would do, right? Don't ya think that might depress the value even further? Brilliant.
No one seems to remember that Kennedy made a massively exaggerated claim about the threat to New York City of a potential accident at Indian Point Nuclear Plant. It was entirely unnecessary because a contractor hired by the governor and I had independently identified legitimate issues that collectively cast doubt on the ability of government agencies to protect New Yorkers from radiation exposure. In fact, that was an early indicator that Kennedy is inclined to do what is expedient and gets him attention (even if he's ridiculed), casting aside the public interest in accuracy information.
Everyone talking about Barbie who hasn't even seen it yet; it _is_ subversive, and that's why Mattel come out of it looking good: that they _allowed_ this to happen. Might've been nice to have people who, you know, have seen the movie actually talk about it. It has its cake and eats it too.
And then cry over PG13 rating. OMG, the left is going to groom all of us!!! Why do the Dems try to cover this up and are only the rapists, pedos and other sex offenders out in de public, because you'll find so many in the GOP? We keep control over them this way by 'ignorning;' ' it' ~ Republicans,
It was the best a Mattel approved movie could be BUT it's also impressive how good it was. Gerwig basically used barbies as a jumping off point to discuss the pressures of societal expectations. Plus, I could spot a lot of classic film influences, like Jacques Demy and Powell & Pressburger.
Minor correction for Matthew Film Guy. Todd Haynes wasn't sued by Mattel for Superstar, he was sued by Karen Carpenter's brother (and lost as he never got music rights) Superstar: The Karen Carpenter Story IS a great recommendation though, and this is coming from someone very excited to see Barbie this weekend. Granted, I wouldn't have interest if Greta Gerwig wasn't involved.
That is true, thank you - though Mattel did express concerns about it apparently Haynes had prepared for this eventuality by telling them he used 'off brand' Barbies, thus not their exact intellectual property. It became a moot point when one of the Carpenters sued over the music, but I have a feeling that would not have been the last he'd have heard from Mattel.
@@langdonboompotentially? They could have just gone the route of "don't make a big deal, it'll just give it attention", especially given the company's other controversies around that time. Similar to Disney's response to Escape from Tomorrow.
No he doesn't. He starts with a conclusion and works backwards from it. He doesn't know what he is talking about and doesn't understand how research is done or even how conclusions are drawn from research. He is just pointing out that some people who aren't experts in the field are skeptical. Same crap since the beginning.
@@kmo9790 he was making good points about not finding the origin in the wild and speculation from scientists in the United States. His point on the Obama administration banning gain of function research after weighing the pros and cons was insightful as well as how practices in these facilities in China were unsafe. There’s plenty of evidence here to at least least accept the possibility and look further into it.
@@Max-rp2ft In the context of a lab leak theory, which is what he is pushing, those are not good points though. Not finding the origin in the wild does not mean that the conclusion is a lab leak. Particularly when China wasn't exactly cooperating. China not cooperating is also not a reason to believe lab leak. Random scientists speculating isn't evidence. It is exactly the opposite. Actual genetic experts quickly pointed out that Cov19 had no genetic markers to indicate that it was anything other than a natural origin. The markers would be present 100% of the time. Any new strain would still have those markers. A virus genome is very simple for modern technology to map. These markers would have been found immediately. The Obama admins decisions on gain of function has nothing to do with knowing if the virus came from a lab. It is an unrelated anecdote that is intended to imply there was some sort of unsafe environment for the virus to spring out of. This is completely irrelevant since the genome of the virus itself will tell you if the virus was manmade. Like if you have a flat tire you don't have to come up with theories about pot holes you can just look at the tire and see that there is a nail in it. Same with the virus. An appropriately experienced viral geneticist can just look at the genome and tell you if it was man made or not. Your agnosticism is being used against you. The default position for things like this is skepticism, not agnosticism.
@@Max-rp2ft No he wasn't making good points. The only points needed making is that geneticists can tell if a virus is man made just by sequencing the genome. All the other stuff is just garbage meant to sway people who don't understand science. For some reason youtube censored my more extensive comment.
I agree on the lab leak theory. Unfortunately, because the Chinese government completely stonewalled every attempt to investigate what happened in the Wuhan lab it’s almost impossible to prove that the virus leak came from the lab. If we had access to the lab’s records and were able to freely interview all of the scientists who worked in the lab then it could probably be proven one way or the other if the virus came from the lab. Sadly, that will never happen.
taking someone's phone/communication device is a serious crime in some states (because it's a think domestic abusers so often do to their victims). Press charges, fool.
You can and should talk about the free speech surrounding this issue, and what he's saying about that is valid, but i just think he pretty clearly inflating the likelihood of the leak scenario
@@ivandafoe5451 That as well, but the ads on MR are so integrated into the show that whatever I use to block adds doesn't work, and I don't want them to work in these cases. I like seeing how RUclips content creators make their efforts worthwhile. And If I am not initially interested in the product being hawked, there may be others that are.
Gain of function research needs to be heavily regulated as a minimum and proper cost benefit analysis and full cooperative investigation in event of potential lab leak not a whitewash
I'm not convinced. All anybody has come up with to make the lab leak theory even plausible turned out to be wrong. There is no indication of it in the virus genome, all the stories about scientists having Covid before the outbreak turned out to be bogus. It's the same to me as people dying from some natural cause, there being no evidence at all for medical malpractice, and people like Ryan Grim still insisting it could possibly be due to systematic treatment mistakes. Sure, you may not be able to prove the contrary, but foul play should not be the default assumption, just because you don't trust the Chinese (or Fauci).
Emma has a bad memory re: lab leak theory. For almost a year it was treated like the Q-anon of pandemic origin explanations. I remember distinctly because I was partially swayed for a while.
The one best piece of info Ryan cites at 1:17:49 is very disingenuous. The DARPA/Ecohealth grant application in no way proposed any research that could have in any way lead to SARS-CoV 2. It was to use a piece of SARS in another viruses, completely unrelated to coronaviruses, to study that one small piece of SARS. It is biologically impossible that that research lead to COVID. I read the ecohealth grant and it is not related to covid in any way. lab leak is a joke.
I don't dispute this. But isn't it a given that Kennedys have money and status? I think it may go deeper. I'm wondering if RFK wants to destroy an established order in the same way Steve Bannon does. The goal might be to upend the system for the sake of doing so.
@@T.E.S.S. They're also obsessed with status and social position. RFKjr. may have lots of money but he has never held the type of public office his father and uncles did. And literally nobody loves him.
It's a nebulous risk about something most people are not familiar with. Why are we so afraid of the potential leak from a BSL when it seems society absorbed the real risk of an actual pandemic so blithely?
Anthony has been my fav comic since he was on the college scene. "Dark for the sake of dark" was the punchline to one of the first skits from his comedy central show. He is one of the last real comics out there and people should to listen up before these guys are all gone off to Rogans clown college.
Pretty sure I've seen that first guy on the same show/channel as Saagar and Krystal stroking this _"you get banned if you talk about it!!!"_ persecution complex about the lab leak stuff...
It's an argument about the argument, which is telling. It's political meta discourse. Zoonotic origin is the null hypothesis but it's just handwaved away while the compelling story about sloppy science grabs attention.
Two things. One. Did TMR fact check Truth Teller? Two. Assuming all he said is correct why don't media outlets use that information? Why don't they have that on hand? Including independent media
1) Unlike RFK Jr, Truth Teller cites sources for each claim, so you can check those (uncertain TMR did that, but RFK Jr most certainly did not). 2) Why don't media outlets use that information? Some of them have. A simple search found NPR, CNN, Politico, Vanity Fair (!), and The Guardian all debunking RFK Jr, some using the same or similar sources as Truth Teller.
You read these posts. I’m f’king scared I listened to meidis touch network too and they have a friggen bunch of posts concerning what they’re gonna do. It’s intense shit. Almost like a horror movie.
1:09:35 Grim is a great reporter, but he is NOT a scientist. That research on the bird flu mutations actually had significant value. Basically the mutations drastically reduce mortality. What's worse is that the study was absolutely basic. Grim is out of his league here.
1:52:50 christopher nolan is a bit of a crypto fascist, says the guest. Where did he get that from? A crypto-fascist refers to someone who holds or promotes fascist beliefs or ideals but doesn't explicitly identify themselves as such. They might conceal or obscure their fascist views behind more acceptable or ambiguous language and actions.
Yeah this is odd. A few weeks ago they made the same assertions that lab leak = anti-China propganda on behalf of war mongers. I wonder if she'd cast conspiracy theories surrounding Trump/Russia collusion in a similar light or no?
I was so annoyed that she tried to say that the lab leak theory was always a possibility from the beginning. We were dismissed as crazy people by fauci, by the press, and the scientific community conflicted by grant money that they didn’t want to lose
The stats for excess deaths are on Dr. John Campbell's youtube page. The countries with the highest vaccination rated have the highest excess deaths. Look in his description for the links.
lol. No kid they don’t. Lol. Campbell is a con artists telling lies that are debunked in seconds. Lol. Remember kid everything you anti vax sheep said has been debunked for years now. lol. Repeating the same establishment propaganda won’t make it real. Lol.
hey sam I think its worth getting Ben Affleck on the show to go over the Sam Harris incident . maybe you've covered it im a new listener and I feel you have saved my life . thats a long story . i'm sure you know Ben was made to look foolish and always wondered if Ben has reflected about this night .
He legit one of the best ally on every left issue. You gotta stop freaking just because he disagree on one specific. I thought he made really good points, It might just be that they could not push back cause they're wasn't anything to say to contradict it. There no reason this should be partisan.
There are two theories, one of which has consequential evidence (lab leak) and one which has only fragmented data (zoonotic). There is no proof of either theory, but yet one was immediately censored from discourse at the beginning of the pandemic. One does not need to be a "microchips in the vaccine" conspiracy theorist to find the suppression of a legitimate theory that follows Occam's Razer as suspicious. China deleted all the data from the Wuhan lab. We will never find a smoking gun proving the lab leak. We could find proof of the zoonotic thesis, if said evidence exists (and as Ryan Grim stated, China is trying to find the intermediate animal responsible for zoonotic transmission). It is not settled science yet and there are plenty of shady shenanigans that happened via the viral research community coalescing around a narrative from the drop.
I know it’s somewhat conspiratorial to think that cVD was anything but a meat market happenstance but other theories should be investigated. Not everything is us vs them or shouldn’t be anyway..
@Ceciestunpseudonyme I understand ppl knee jerking on disagreeing with the lab leak because it has become so loaded with conspiracy and xenophobia. Idk what changes knowing it came out of a lab. And not to come off like the OP. Ryan working for Rising definitely should be aware WHY a certain population wants it to be a lab leak, that Rising caters to.
Has David Pakman and Seder talked about the current Isreal-Gaza conflict publicly together? I would love to see how that conversation unfolds, it would be deeply informative.
That was a very...gentle(?) exploration of Grim's lab leak reporting. His explanation involves so many leaps of logic and decontextualized "facts" that it's basically a hypothetical confabulation (that could be true?). More importantly, now what? I like and respect some of his reporting, but he hasn't produced anything substantive; it doesn't even qualify as circumstantial at this point.
There isn't anything substantive one way or the other, that was his point, people are talking about this as it has been 100 % confirm or disproven, it hasn't, that doesn't mean you believe the stupid shit Joe Rogan and company promotes, you can ridicule them for their extremes, but still accept not knowing, because, for now, nothing has been proven or disproven, however lab-leaks as a possibility and something to be vigilant for, was a left wing position before covid.
Oh sam. You know. Mainstream bull crap. . . Play it out. .. kommel colbert have been brilliant. But its the writers that make them so. I did editing. So i am aware. I give credit to the stars. Wouldnt have a job without them. Just like emma shes a powerhouse shes amazing. Gives you help views loves sondo the editors and the crew. Somehow mainstream media and creators forgot what crew actors and writers do? I guess lawyers executives and owners can write the stupid scripts. That will be a dismal 5 years. Cause you cant afford a livable wage for a writer or editor or crew. Cause ceo needs more wealth. I think thats called exploitation. Fuck the mainstream. Maybe we should make a new standard. You know well compensated group doing art and amazing works making great shows. . . No more crap from dc legendary or disney except andor is pretty good. And Pixar. That should still be independent. Om my gosh od rather listen to kevin smith watching bat man and superman reviews on his podcasts. Cause hes pretty smart. My lsats were 167. And im a freak cause identic memory. So i remember wierd shit. Permanantly like languages opera scores math science not how to type programing a computer using c prompt. Canada being beaten up cause my mom thought going to school in lederhosen and clogs was cute in a school where i was 1 of 3 white children in a entirety black school. Most my friends are btw are hawain black gay trans neighbors. From every culture and religion. Cause why do people hate? 1/2 MY family like trump 1/2 totaly liberal. Im neither. . . Half of my family is christian the other half jewish. Im different. I have faith. Inn a high power. Ill never understandnand and in myself. 😮 i trust in what i see im a leo. Virgo rising. Vaugly holds an impact buy i notice things cause identic memory. Its like being a computer you remember sights sounds smells emotions thoughts of the best and worst of your life. Ot makes me incredibly intelegent and have amazing recall. Also i remember every time i was beaten anused or hurt im my life. So i kinda like to be a loner. At the same time ❤ ,my wife family and friends that i love and trust... you should be very frightened cause you dont see it comming. Your dealing with stupid politics. . . Not the problem. I have jews in my family i love. We love to argue. But i build rockets. Farm do law. Cause im wierd. Learn to farm. Harvest water onhabe a dew collector and a a farm. A farm money cept a stash. Food and water. And i drive for mr miesenbach. Hes a decent person. Buy hes very rich. Hes generous and kind. But i listen learn educate. 1:37:02 what your saying at this time stamp. Encapsulates what im saying. Ive learned to be a chef lawyer farmer opera singer artistnandni make rockets did beta testing for the first internet. Hydra. I knew boll gates how i networked to meetnmr meisenbach. Mestrieo george fiore rain wilson lambert tight end that went to my church in Bothell, Wa. Where i met my pastor wife. . . I liberated her from church but gave her faith. She belives in god not religion. 😢😂. I respect people of faith i respect military that takes balls to be in front of bullets cause 5 of my friends did i coildnt 4f. Crohnic illness. Now i have 3 marien friends. So i serve, diffrently. I serve to those that put thiere bodies in the way of a bullet.
It seems like Ryan Grim is flying awful close to the sun with BP. Those folks are absolutely awful as a whole. I sure hope he finds a job that doesn't require him to sully himself so much soon.
Funny how Sedor complains about RFK going through the statistics to fast. The plays a video from the twitter user that is sped up, and then doesnt share any links.
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On teaching about slavery: the argument to these conservatives should always be Germany, imagine Germany just denying the Holocaust happened and not teaching about it to school children. Imagine the rest of the world observing that and recognizing how strange and repressive that would seem. Sometimes the analogy is right there it just comes from somewhere else. I think that is explored in a book called History and Obstinacy - Negt and Kluge.
Slavery is a huge part of our high school curriculum. There is an official month dedicated to black history, and an unofficial but widely observed day. Slavery is discussed on American news networks and among academics fairly often. It’s really a poor analogy, and you’re making a mockery of your argument. I disagree with pretty much everything Sam says ( I’m only here because I’m bored ) but I think we do enough. The real interesting thing here is that you are white trying to understand the black experience, but are unable to look at the present moment. Liberals are incapable of accepting the black community as it currently is, which is a sore sight. Black republicans will be the first to tell you this. There’s no easy answer, but we could start by acknowledging blackon black violence. The falsehood of police brutality. The drugs, sex and infelicities of rap music. There is a black identity crisis going on, and you aren’t helping the cause by intellectualizing from your armchair. I grew up around mostly blacks, and I know they hate that sh1t. They are self aware, but they don’t stand a chance against this cultural behemoth + being born into poverty doesn’t help. I wish the answer was as simple as you think it is, so we could get straight to work, but it’s actually multi layered. Trump was mentioned in over 100 hip hop songs before he ran.. he had a girlfriend was half black.. look up his Platinum plan.. He got 1/5 black votes in 2020. A change is coming, and hopefully it will come soon enough to save America from the high horse Baizuo.
Thank you. Sometimes, even allies don't seem to want to delve too deep into the truth.
That’s literally what the whole world does with every single historical atrocity, with the single exception of the Holocaust. Germans repenting for and teaching about the Holocaust is the single solitary example throughout history of this happening unfortunately.
Rest In Power Michael ❤❤❤❤
one thing that he does not include is that here in the US we had a HUGE amount of DENIERS. People who refused to wear masks, refused to stop going to bars, refused to stop flying/travel. People who purposely didnt give a crap about anyone but themselves. Most other countries did not have a congruent group of inconsiderate a$$holes.
That’s just not true
@@Neofilmcritic With Fox News and the entire Republican party cranking out anti-mask propaganda and saying the virus was nothing to be worried about? My comment is anecdotal but that doesnt make it untrue.
The UK did but then again the English Right is beginning to strongly resemble the American Right.
Most countries dealt with the same sides disagreeing on this issue in the same ways as they did in America.. especially in Australia and the UK
I was with you up until that last sentence
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Kudos to you guys ! Saying Israel is an apartheid state is very brave.
It's just callin it like it iz
It's not too brave to state an obvious fact.
I know, I know, but here in Europe, the slightest critic of Israel's policy is also taken as antisemitism. For instance, see what happened to Jeremy Corbyn in UK. So it's good to see citizens of the State that is the main support of Israel no matter who's in charge to state the "risky" obvious. So what's next ? Only strong economic and diplomatic sanctions against Israel will have an effect on its criminal policies. As we say in France, "touch the wallet". It was done against South Africa. By the way, did you know that during this period of isolation, the only country that discreetly carried on its relationships with South Africa by collaborating with its government on military and security matters was... Israel. Any plans in advance ?
@@ob2862 Oh believe me, in the US you'll get called, "anti-semitic" if you dare to criticize Israel.
@@SlimKeith11 I guess so. Even Jewish people can be antisemitic for Israel. That just don't mean anything anyway. Israel is the most antisemitic state since Palestinians as all the Arabs are semitic. To talk about Judeophobia would be more accurate.
the crowder part was absolutely hilarious lol.
Not finding "real truthers" and would love the link to the video at 12:20
1:27:29 Really wish they will just focus on the controls policy if it is most likely that we will never know if the virus was leaked from the lab. Let's just assume that it did and implement controls based on that possibility.
We already know and knew that the lab leak was crap from the beginning
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2:28:39 desantis says florida has $50 million of inbev stock in their pension fund which he says is $180 billion. that's 0.028% of the fund.
Exactly... and the decrease in the stock is a fraction of that (-1.76% year to date). Also, who tells the world they want to sell a massive position before doing so? Just like Warren Buffet would do, right? Don't ya think that might depress the value even further? Brilliant.
@@JEB..Now consider the possibility he personally acquired a short position before unleashing this news
No one seems to remember that Kennedy made a massively exaggerated claim about the threat to New York City of a potential accident at Indian Point Nuclear Plant. It was entirely unnecessary because a contractor hired by the governor and I had independently identified legitimate issues that collectively cast doubt on the ability of government agencies to protect New Yorkers from radiation exposure. In fact, that was an early indicator that Kennedy is inclined to do what is expedient and gets him attention (even if he's ridiculed), casting aside the public interest in accuracy information.
Everyone talking about Barbie who hasn't even seen it yet; it _is_ subversive, and that's why Mattel come out of it looking good: that they _allowed_ this to happen. Might've been nice to have people who, you know, have seen the movie actually talk about it. It has its cake and eats it too.
And then cry over PG13 rating. OMG, the left is going to groom all of us!!! Why do the Dems try to cover this up and are only the rapists, pedos and other sex offenders out in de public, because you'll find so many in the GOP? We keep control over them this way by 'ignorning;' ' it' ~ Republicans,
If Mattel is ok with it, it's not subversive. I think the kids call this "meta modern".
It was the best a Mattel approved movie could be BUT it's also impressive how good it was. Gerwig basically used barbies as a jumping off point to discuss the pressures of societal expectations.
Plus, I could spot a lot of classic film influences, like Jacques Demy and Powell & Pressburger.
@@evangelion286 Maybe that's the best we can hope for in these end times.
@@langdonboomcan u pls watch the dang thing if you're gonna opine on it
"I didn't see any... of these." Sam is my spirit animal.
Wow...riveting and compelling
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Minor correction for Matthew Film Guy. Todd Haynes wasn't sued by Mattel for Superstar, he was sued by Karen Carpenter's brother (and lost as he never got music rights)
Superstar: The Karen Carpenter Story IS a great recommendation though, and this is coming from someone very excited to see Barbie this weekend. Granted, I wouldn't have interest if Greta Gerwig wasn't involved.
That is true, thank you - though Mattel did express concerns about it apparently Haynes had prepared for this eventuality by telling them he used 'off brand' Barbies, thus not their exact intellectual property. It became a moot point when one of the Carpenters sued over the music, but I have a feeling that would not have been the last he'd have heard from Mattel.
@@langdonboompotentially? They could have just gone the route of "don't make a big deal, it'll just give it attention", especially given the company's other controversies around that time.
Similar to Disney's response to Escape from Tomorrow.
I came into this agnostic and not really knowing much about it. Ryan Grim makes some really good points on this.
No he doesn't. He starts with a conclusion and works backwards from it. He doesn't know what he is talking about and doesn't understand how research is done or even how conclusions are drawn from research. He is just pointing out that some people who aren't experts in the field are skeptical. Same crap since the beginning.
@@kmo9790 he was making good points about not finding the origin in the wild and speculation from scientists in the United States. His point on the Obama administration banning gain of function research after weighing the pros and cons was insightful as well as how practices in these facilities in China were unsafe. There’s plenty of evidence here to at least least accept the possibility and look further into it.
@@Max-rp2ft In the context of a lab leak theory, which is what he is pushing, those are not good points though. Not finding the origin in the wild does not mean that the conclusion is a lab leak. Particularly when China wasn't exactly cooperating. China not cooperating is also not a reason to believe lab leak.
Random scientists speculating isn't evidence. It is exactly the opposite. Actual genetic experts quickly pointed out that Cov19 had no genetic markers to indicate that it was anything other than a natural origin. The markers would be present 100% of the time. Any new strain would still have those markers. A virus genome is very simple for modern technology to map. These markers would have been found immediately.
The Obama admins decisions on gain of function has nothing to do with knowing if the virus came from a lab. It is an unrelated anecdote that is intended to imply there was some sort of unsafe environment for the virus to spring out of. This is completely irrelevant since the genome of the virus itself will tell you if the virus was manmade. Like if you have a flat tire you don't have to come up with theories about pot holes you can just look at the tire and see that there is a nail in it. Same with the virus. An appropriately experienced viral geneticist can just look at the genome and tell you if it was man made or not.
Your agnosticism is being used against you. The default position for things like this is skepticism, not agnosticism.
@@Max-rp2ft No he wasn't making good points. The only points needed making is that geneticists can tell if a virus is man made just by sequencing the genome. All the other stuff is just garbage meant to sway people who don't understand science.
For some reason youtube censored my more extensive comment.
@@Max-rp2ftI recommend looking into US Right to Know’s journalism on the topic. They have an entire section on C19 origins.
Have a nice weekend M/R! I just hope something gets done about the crisis on the Rio Grande in Texas. Abbott is a cruel animal.
I agree with Ryan on lab leak. People need to stop being defensive and just see it for what it is.
It was a total coverup
I agree on the lab leak theory. Unfortunately, because the Chinese government completely stonewalled every attempt to investigate what happened in the Wuhan lab it’s almost impossible to prove that the virus leak came from the lab. If we had access to the lab’s records and were able to freely interview all of the scientists who worked in the lab then it could probably be proven one way or the other if the virus came from the lab. Sadly, that will never happen.
"I agree with the FBI that we start World War 3 over COVID-19. People need to stop being so defensive and accept another global conflict"
Can someone link to The Real Truther fellow plz? does he have a youtube? i didnt find it.
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The hosts almost admit to blowing it on the lab leak theory. But they could not quite do it. Ideology gets in the way of likelihood.
Speak for yourself.
Obviously.
??? They didn't tho
The Majority Report, featuring Sam Seder, Emma Vigeland, Matthew Film Guy and Ryan Grim playing the part of Matt Taibbi.
Something very much like that ... very weird stuff.
Ryan Grim really came across as a weasel in this.
I don’t get why Emma reacts son strongly to the possibility of the lab leak. If the facts lead you there then so be it, that doesn’t make you racist.
@@zacharybrooks5460 he has integrity and usually balanced in his view of things, that he is being here somewhat rigid on his position
She cannot deviate from the "the lab leak theory is racist". It is impossible for her.
Tell me: Which one sounds more racist:
A. "He had a lab accident doing cutting edge science",
B. "Pangolin took a shit in his bat soup"
The FBI is using their low confidence in COVID-19 being a man-manipulated bioweapon to manufacture consent for World War 3.
Sprouts Farmers Market Needs A Union....
Call Mr Fain
This guy is characterizing the lab leak hypothesis as way more plausible than it actually is.
The virus started in Wuhan. The Wuhan Institute of Virology is in, let's think, Wuhan. It's plausible.
ID patriot Front trial already over... three days served on a five day sentence...$1000 fine.
I had that Ken doll too and my came out in the 90s
Thanks for the shout out. What are you playing next
taking someone's phone/communication device is a serious crime in some states (because it's a think domestic abusers so often do to their victims). Press charges, fool.
Good episode, guys!
You can and should talk about the free speech surrounding this issue, and what he's saying about that is valid, but i just think he pretty clearly inflating the likelihood of the leak scenario
It's amazing how much the ability to fast-forward makes ads tolerable.
But nothing beats Ad Blockers.
@@ivandafoe5451 That as well, but the ads on MR are so integrated into the show that whatever I use to block adds doesn't work, and I don't want them to work in these cases. I like seeing how RUclips content creators make their efforts worthwhile. And If I am not initially interested in the product being hawked, there may be others that are.
I support Israel is the political equivalent of i have black friend so I’m not racist…
not even
Please tell him …45 was in charge!!!!
Gain of function research needs to be heavily regulated as a minimum and proper cost benefit analysis and full cooperative investigation in event of potential lab leak not a whitewash
I'm not convinced. All anybody has come up with to make the lab leak theory even plausible turned out to be wrong. There is no indication of it in the virus genome, all the stories about scientists having Covid before the outbreak turned out to be bogus. It's the same to me as people dying from some natural cause, there being no evidence at all for medical malpractice, and people like Ryan Grim still insisting it could possibly be due to systematic treatment mistakes. Sure, you may not be able to prove the contrary, but foul play should not be the default assumption, just because you don't trust the Chinese (or Fauci).
Time for that General Strike?
How?
Unionize at your workplace, that'll get us closer to that happening.
2:33:46 Emma singing the Ozempic song made me lol
Emma has a bad memory re: lab leak theory. For almost a year it was treated like the Q-anon of pandemic origin explanations. I remember distinctly because I was partially swayed for a while.
The one best piece of info Ryan cites at 1:17:49 is very disingenuous. The DARPA/Ecohealth grant application in no way proposed any research that could have in any way lead to SARS-CoV 2. It was to use a piece of SARS in another viruses, completely unrelated to coronaviruses, to study that one small piece of SARS. It is biologically impossible that that research lead to COVID. I read the ecohealth grant and it is not related to covid in any way. lab leak is a joke.
Right? It's not serial passaging
a government streaming service is a pipe dream? i mean every other western country has one, so... yay for american exceptionalism yet again, lel
Sam on RFK Jr: "There's something wrong driving him." It's called money.
I don't dispute this. But isn't it a given that Kennedys have money and status?
I think it may go deeper. I'm wondering if RFK wants to destroy an established order in the same way Steve Bannon does. The goal might be to upend the system for the sake of doing so.
@@pranays rich people are famously never greedy for more money
@@pranaysit’s power and status for sure.
@@T.E.S.S. They're also obsessed with status and social position. RFKjr. may have lots of money but he has never held the type of public office his father and uncles did. And literally nobody loves him.
IM'er was right, he is a deranged lunatic. But I do respect Sam is playing the long game to get Bobby on the show.
I find it hard to understand how GoF does not have significant benefits
The chance of an accident is so low
It's a nebulous risk about something most people are not familiar with. Why are we so afraid of the potential leak from a BSL when it seems society absorbed the real risk of an actual pandemic so blithely?
LMAO - It's Barbie. I didn't know there was anything masculine about it.
Boycotting a corporation you own stock in is so republican.
Trump doesn't think anything on TV is real.
Except for himself.
If I hear sebaday anymore I'll have an aneurysm lol
Sam is Best!
Anthony has been my fav comic since he was on the college scene. "Dark for the sake of dark" was the punchline to one of the first skits from his comedy central show. He is one of the last real comics out there and people should to listen up before these guys are all gone off to Rogans clown college.
Is Kennedy sick, or is that what his voice actually sounds like?
Do you think Sam would believe an article by the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists? Nicholas Wade, years ago.
the one decent guy on breaking points
Have you changed your mind about racism now, Sam?
1:30:16 lol your chest bleached
Sams the man
Finally someone tells them some facts about the lab leak theory and counters Emma's "the lab leak theory is so racist" narrative.
"Tells them some facts"...Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!
Pretty sure I've seen that first guy on the same show/channel as Saagar and Krystal stroking this _"you get banned if you talk about it!!!"_ persecution complex about the lab leak stuff...
It's an argument about the argument, which is telling. It's political meta discourse. Zoonotic origin is the null hypothesis but it's just handwaved away while the compelling story about sloppy science grabs attention.
@@kbr2001 Plus, people love to have someone to blame for natural disasters, whether it be Fauci for Covid, or gays for the last earthquake.
RFK jr, the more I see, the less I like.
No mention of HAMAS?
whoopsie!
Trying to figure out lab leak or zoonosis is impossible.
Nedidid’ Googo?
Emma 100% did not know who William Wells Brown was
Matthew has what's known as a "studio tan".
Glad I stayed for Matthew Film Guy... that grim segment was... grim
Two bad interviews in a week…first Bessner now Grim
why? because it questioned your preconceived beliefs? The virus probably was man made
Two things. One. Did TMR fact check Truth Teller? Two. Assuming all he said is correct why don't media outlets use that information? Why don't they have that on hand? Including independent media
1) Unlike RFK Jr, Truth Teller cites sources for each claim, so you can check those (uncertain TMR did that, but RFK Jr most certainly did not).
2) Why don't media outlets use that information? Some of them have. A simple search found NPR, CNN, Politico, Vanity Fair (!), and The Guardian all debunking RFK Jr, some using the same or similar sources as Truth Teller.
It def leaked from a lab
If Desantis is one thing, it’s derivative
You read these posts. I’m f’king scared I listened to meidis touch network too and they have a friggen bunch of posts concerning what they’re gonna do. It’s intense shit. Almost like a horror movie.
1:09:35
Grim is a great reporter, but he is NOT a scientist. That research on the bird flu mutations actually had significant value. Basically the mutations drastically reduce mortality. What's worse is that the study was absolutely basic. Grim is out of his league here.
I want them to make the Big Wheel movie.
1:52:50 christopher nolan is a bit of a crypto fascist, says the guest.
Where did he get that from?
A crypto-fascist refers to someone who holds or promotes fascist beliefs or ideals but doesn't explicitly identify themselves as such. They might conceal or obscure their fascist views behind more acceptable or ambiguous language and actions.
Your hair looks nice
The symbolic stuff got really real 13 weeks ago. And federman?
Wait, didn’t Emma call the lab leak possibility a xenophobic conspiracy theory yesterday? Lol
Yeah this is odd. A few weeks ago they made the same assertions that lab leak = anti-China propganda on behalf of war mongers. I wonder if she'd cast conspiracy theories surrounding Trump/Russia collusion in a similar light or no?
I was so annoyed that she tried to say that the lab leak theory was always a possibility from the beginning. We were dismissed as crazy people by fauci, by the press, and the scientific community conflicted by grant money that they didn’t want to lose
@@jacobnelson6042 did she really say the theory was xenophobic?
@@jacobnelson6042 did she really say the theory was xenophobic?
Yes because it is. Everyone who pushed that theory was a neo nazi or Christian theocrat who just want to genocide the chinese in nuclear fire
Please say it right today is POETS DAY
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The stats for excess deaths are on Dr. John Campbell's youtube page. The countries with the highest vaccination rated have the highest excess deaths. Look in his description for the links.
lol. No kid they don’t. Lol. Campbell is a con artists telling lies that are debunked in seconds. Lol. Remember kid everything you anti vax sheep said has been debunked for years now. lol. Repeating the same establishment propaganda won’t make it real. Lol.
hey sam I think its worth getting Ben Affleck on the show to go over the Sam Harris incident . maybe you've covered it im a new listener and I feel you have saved my life . thats a long story . i'm sure you know Ben was made to look foolish and always wondered if Ben has reflected about this night .
It definitely leaked out of a lab.
Barbie was funny and bright. It had a nice and meaningful ending too. Theyve probably seen it now but the review was very unfair
We did not hear enough about Trump's Trial Date w/ Ryan Grim. Did he get thigh food?
Jerry manderer ?
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Platforming Ryan grim on his lab leak theories without having the tools to push back on his claims was incredibly Irresponsible
He legit one of the best ally on every left issue. You gotta stop freaking just because he disagree on one specific. I thought he made really good points, It might just be that they could not push back cause they're wasn't anything to say to contradict it. There no reason this should be partisan.
There are two theories, one of which has consequential evidence (lab leak) and one which has only fragmented data (zoonotic). There is no proof of either theory, but yet one was immediately censored from discourse at the beginning of the pandemic. One does not need to be a "microchips in the vaccine" conspiracy theorist to find the suppression of a legitimate theory that follows Occam's Razer as suspicious.
China deleted all the data from the Wuhan lab. We will never find a smoking gun proving the lab leak. We could find proof of the zoonotic thesis, if said evidence exists (and as Ryan Grim stated, China is trying to find the intermediate animal responsible for zoonotic transmission). It is not settled science yet and there are plenty of shady shenanigans that happened via the viral research community coalescing around a narrative from the drop.
I know it’s somewhat conspiratorial to think that cVD was anything but a meat market happenstance but other theories should be investigated. Not everything is us vs them or shouldn’t be anyway..
Can you provide an example of these tools?
@Ceciestunpseudonyme I understand ppl knee jerking on disagreeing with the lab leak because it has become so loaded with conspiracy and xenophobia. Idk what changes knowing it came out of a lab. And not to come off like the OP. Ryan working for Rising definitely should be aware WHY a certain population wants it to be a lab leak, that Rising caters to.
Judy Ruliani, thats cute
Has David Pakman and Seder talked about the current Isreal-Gaza conflict publicly together?
I would love to see how that conversation unfolds, it would be deeply informative.
What the hell is he saying sunset ser say Bay day?
That was a very...gentle(?) exploration of Grim's lab leak reporting. His explanation involves so many leaps of logic and decontextualized "facts" that it's basically a hypothetical confabulation (that could be true?). More importantly, now what? I like and respect some of his reporting, but he hasn't produced anything substantive; it doesn't even qualify as circumstantial at this point.
There isn't anything substantive one way or the other, that was his point, people are talking about this as it has been 100 % confirm or disproven, it hasn't, that doesn't mean you believe the stupid shit Joe Rogan and company promotes, you can ridicule them for their extremes, but still accept not knowing, because, for now, nothing has been proven or disproven, however lab-leaks as a possibility and something to be vigilant for, was a left wing position before covid.
The FBI is trying to manufacture consent for WW3, that's what.
Oh sam. You know. Mainstream bull crap. . . Play it out. .. kommel colbert have been brilliant. But its the writers that make them so. I did editing. So i am aware. I give credit to the stars. Wouldnt have a job without them. Just like emma shes a powerhouse shes amazing. Gives you help views loves sondo the editors and the crew. Somehow mainstream media and creators forgot what crew actors and writers do? I guess lawyers executives and owners can write the stupid scripts. That will be a dismal 5 years. Cause you cant afford a livable wage for a writer or editor or crew. Cause ceo needs more wealth. I think thats called exploitation. Fuck the mainstream. Maybe we should make a new standard. You know well compensated group doing art and amazing works making great shows. . . No more crap from dc legendary or disney except andor is pretty good. And Pixar. That should still be independent. Om my gosh od rather listen to kevin smith watching bat man and superman reviews on his podcasts. Cause hes pretty smart. My lsats were 167. And im a freak cause identic memory. So i remember wierd shit. Permanantly like languages opera scores math science not how to type programing a computer using c prompt. Canada being beaten up cause my mom thought going to school in lederhosen and clogs was cute in a school where i was 1 of 3 white children in a entirety black school. Most my friends are btw are hawain black gay trans neighbors. From every culture and religion. Cause why do people hate? 1/2 MY family like trump 1/2 totaly liberal. Im neither. . . Half of my family is christian the other half jewish. Im different. I have faith. Inn a high power. Ill never understandnand and in myself. 😮 i trust in what i see im a leo. Virgo rising. Vaugly holds an impact buy i notice things cause identic memory. Its like being a computer you remember sights sounds smells emotions thoughts of the best and worst of your life. Ot makes me incredibly intelegent and have amazing recall. Also i remember every time i was beaten anused or hurt im my life. So i kinda like to be a loner. At the same time ❤ ,my wife family and friends that i love and trust... you should be very frightened cause you dont see it comming. Your dealing with stupid politics. . . Not the problem. I have jews in my family i love. We love to argue. But i build rockets. Farm do law. Cause im wierd. Learn to farm. Harvest water onhabe a dew collector and a a farm. A farm money cept a stash. Food and water. And i drive for mr miesenbach. Hes a decent person. Buy hes very rich. Hes generous and kind. But i listen learn educate. 1:37:02 what your saying at this time stamp. Encapsulates what im saying. Ive learned to be a chef lawyer farmer opera singer artistnandni make rockets did beta testing for the first internet. Hydra. I knew boll gates how i networked to meetnmr meisenbach. Mestrieo george fiore rain wilson lambert tight end that went to my church in Bothell, Wa. Where i met my pastor wife. . . I liberated her from church but gave her faith. She belives in god not religion. 😢😂. I respect people of faith i respect military that takes balls to be in front of bullets cause 5 of my friends did i coildnt 4f. Crohnic illness. Now i have 3 marien friends.
So i serve, diffrently. I serve to those that put thiere bodies in the way of a bullet.
He engineers his lies with deceitful intent.
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It seems like Ryan Grim is flying awful close to the sun with BP. Those folks are absolutely awful as a whole.
I sure hope he finds a job that doesn't require him to sully himself so much soon.
What’s your beef with BP?
Left is best
Gain of Fauci research...but yeah, trust the science.
None of what you said makes any sense. Odds are you can't even explain gain of function research.
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I believe the "we'll never know for sure" theory.
Ummmm, it's the "we'll never know for sure" HYPOTHESIS, thank you very much! Please get it straight.
Funny how Sedor complains about RFK going through the statistics to fast. The plays a video from the twitter user that is sped up, and then doesnt share any links.
Good on Ryan for having a semi-presentable haircut for once
he’s not fooling anyone lol