Why BAND-MAID x The Warning issued strikes SOLUTIONS to PREVENT in the future
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I think you are misinformed. Copyrights are not "issued." Works subject to copyright are automatically protected from the day they are created. You do not have to do anything to have a copyright on a work you create. However, you can register copyright and get extra rights and protections. It is likely that RUclips and other social media find out about your work and give it greater protection once it is registered with the Copyright office. Here is a quote from the US Patent and Trademark Office:
While many people believe that you must register your work with the U.S. Copyright Office before you can claim a copyright, no registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure a copyright. A copyright is secured automatically when the work is created, as long as the work contains a sufficient degree of originality, and a work comes into being when it is fixed in a “copy or a phonorecord for the first time.” This is consistent with the Berne Convention, which states that the “enjoyment and exercise” of copyright “shall not be subject to any formality.”
Although registration with the Copyright Office is not required to secure protection, it does provide a number of benefits:
-Registration establishes a public record of the copyright claim.
-Registration is necessary before an infringement suit may be filed in court (for works of U.S. origin).
-If made before or within 5 years of publication, registration establishes prima facie evidence in court of the validity of the copyright and of the facts stated in the registration certificate.
-If registration is made within 3 months after first publication of the work or prior to an infringement of the work, statutory damages and attorney’s fees will be available to the copyright owner in court actions. Otherwise, only an award of actual damages and profits is available to the copyright owner.
-Registration allows the owner of the copyright to record the registration with the U.S. Customs Service for protection against the importation of infringing copies.
Thanks for pointing this out. Goes completely against the point some were making that a reactor or anyone else (outside of BM and TW) could have claimed copyright based on the bootleg video. I assume that since the song is going to be on BM’s upcoming album, they (or their label/publisher own the primary rights, though I’m guessing that TW gets to share in the song-writing credits.
I was referring to how the automated system works on RUclips for the copyright. Absolutely it is done the moment you create it, as long as their some proof which there always is nowadays.
All this information is accurate though, and I really appreciate you pointing out that information.
I will add this information in the next video, I should have done that in the first place.
This is correct, at least in the U.S., but I'm pretty sure it's the same in Japan. The song doesn't have a digital ID yet, which I assume is what Alan actually meant.
This is an important point because back in the day we would mail a copy to ourselves and keep that as proof.
The main benefit of registering your copyright is you can claim damages and royalties (money), Without it being registered you are basically limited to cease and desist and takedowns.
RUclips has put a system in place to protect them and offload copyright enforcement to the owner leaving the reactor twisting in the wind. There are also many companies who use copyright illegally in a predatory way.
If you are going to try the fair use disclaimer here is what you can post:
(in US copyright law) the doctrine that brief excerpts of copyright material may, under certain circumstances, be quoted verbatim for purposes such as criticism, news reporting, teaching, and research, without the need for permission from or payment to the copyright holder.
"Whether or not six seconds of the song in a user-generated video constitutes fair use is something for a court to decide"
If you want to be completely legal all you have to do is get the permission of the copyright holder'
Going to be blunt, the other side of the coin is they are the ones that have created the material, they own the copyright, and they have control over how it's used. So, any video that you react to, you are stealing the work of others to line your pockets either financially or intellectually. You are the same as all the people that want to book a band for free and "you will get great word of mouth".
Radio stations and Spotify pay a royalty albeit small for the playing of copyrighted material.
There are plenty of reactors that rarely get anything blocked with a much larger viewership. My guess is that they get permission first. So yes, you are whining, and like many people doing the same you don't want to do the work. You want the hard work of others to subsidize your hobby.
So instead of relying on videos where you are violating copyright, why not gather up as many reactors as you can, get them in a group and do the following:
Start a go fund me
Hire a copyright lawyer to write a letter you can e-mail to the copyright holder asking permission to use the content with an easy way for them to reply.
Collect the contacts in your group so everyone can easily contact the appropriate company.
If you want to go next level, ask the publisher to put the e-mail address in the info box of the video.
If you really believe you are helping bands, ask them to not monetize your video and after x views you will contact them so they can monetize it then.
Sure is a lot of work, but you will get to come out of the shadows and be legitimate instead of a selfish rerun of Napster.
Another way of looking at this issue
1. In Japan, filming live shows is often prohibited.
2. There were signs prohibiting filming at this venue as well.
3. In Japan, many people follow the rules, and breaking them is considered shameful.
4. In Japan, the argument that breaking the rules is permissible because it's publicity doesn't hold up.
5. If this were allowed, many audience members would freely film and post the moves.
6. Both BAND-MAID and PONY are well aware of the importance of reactors.
7. Just because it was a mistake made by someone involved does not give permission for it to be copied and spread.
8. This action is forcing BAND-MAID and Pony to make a painful and sad decision.
9. This act is destroying Japan's live music culture. They are trying to protect Japan's live music culture.
10. Even if it was not new songs, if the collaboration song was uploaded, they would have deleted it.
Good and correct breakdown of the Japanese scene.
But I think the above are getting less and less true by the day. Things are changing, even in Japan. Some Japanese bands in Japan beg you to record them and share on social media (obviously the minor ones, but anyway).
So after the BandMaid/TW concert, the next day during the TW concert, it felt like I was the only one that did not record anything of the show, because just about *everyone* started recording as soon as "Intro 404" started the show. And I'd say roughly 80% of the visitors on day 2 were Japanese. Before the concert there was the usual warnings read out like "No filming, no recording, if we find you, we might kick you out".
A few years ago you wouldn't see any recording going on during live shows, but these days it's definitely common.
(*I went to both concerts)
@@FerretFerrari It's true that things are slowly changing in Japan too. More people are taking secret videos at concerts. More concerts are allowing video recording. I like concerts without cellphone cameras, so it makes me sad to see the rules being broken by fans.
In the US, it seems like there's no problem with filming live performances with smartphones, but in Japan it's basically prohibited. I saw a video uploaded to RUclips that was supposedly taken by an audience and I thought it would be deleted....
One thing that’s important to note: copyright strikes drop off after 90 days. I’m an enthusiastic subscriber to Wave Potter, and I’m sorry about the circumstances, but I’m confident he’ll be fine. No one is permanently damaged by this, which is good.
Furthermore, as a dedicated fan of The Warning for 5+ years: this notion that no copyright issues have occurred with their material is simply incorrect. It’s happened quite a bit, especially after signing with a major U.S. label. Not long ago, Regeneration Nation specifically mentioned running into problems with Warning content, so copyright just comes with the territory for reactors as far as I can tell.
My guess - and that’s all this is, I’m far from an expert - was combining phone cam footage (it appears to be from a balcony) with the officially released HQ clip raised a red flag at some level. Anyway, just my two cents. I just can’t wait to hear the recorded version!! 🤘❤️
The problem is it’s bandmaids song and one thing is people uploading unreleased songs when told don’t record them and the problem on top of that is reacting to an unreleased song publicly for monetary gain inherent or not through a vid from a crowd that was told don’t record a specific unreleased track
Big ups to those Dr. Mike shorts on your recommended, he revolutionized my exercise. Thanks though for breaking down what happened as I was looking for the more of this TheWarning X BandMaid performance
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There is one thing you failed to mention. Don't ever take anyone else's copywritten works and upload it behind a paywall you create yourself or created for you by a service you use. The reckoning is coming with people uploading other people's creations behind the patreon paywall, and when it happens it might take down the entire patreon site.
AI says hold my beer lol. 🍺 I get you but this goes a lot bigger then just Patreon.
No one knew it was coming, but everyone should consider that neither Pony Canyon or BM's publisher have never bothered fancams that i am aware of up to this point. We should be greatful.
They've also never debuted a new song outside of Japan either. They've debuted many songs live in Japan.
@@_DriveTimedidn’t they debut Shambles from their US tour last year? Sacramento to be specific.
@@Bulbagaba992 Live debut, but the song was already on RUclips.
@@Bulbagaba992 Weeks after the studio version/music video release. Folks were waiting on the live debut and hoping it would be at whichever show they were attending.
I don't know any band or any kind of media publisher that would want a terrible video of their soon-to-be-released work floating around on social media. The band released a good quality teaser. PC rightly had the videos removed IMO. Strikes, etc. are automated YT policies that publishers don't control and likely don't care anything about. If a video is removed by YT software, it issues a strike. No exceptions. It's literally the simplest algorithm I know of, yet people still seem confused by it.
I know of a band that is ok with a terrible video of their soon-to- be released work floating around social media. The other band in the video. The Warning. You can like that or not. I'm just giving you an example.👍
@@scottlafleur4148that's their choice, does not make anyone else wrong for taking a different view.
@@bartyslattfast your view was you didn't know of any band that would be ok with a terrible fan cam video of their unreleased songs. The funny part was it was the other band in the video we are discussing. You made a statement with no investigation. Not even the other band in the video. I'm not saying you're wrong. You just made a really uninformed statement.
@@scottlafleur4148 I think your responding to the op post here. I did not make the original statement, just responded to your comment.
@@scottlafleur4148 I'd be interested in seeing a reaction video to one of those. lf you can point me to one, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks for making this video man! I understood next to nothing about copyright until this week. It was just a rough situation for them having the song leaked.
People watching live concerts through their phones drives me crazy it is a huge distractions to those of us who are there to see bands in person not through a screen.
100%
The rush to publish reactions to new Band-Maid releases has expanded with every new song or video over the years I've been paying attention to the band. I search RUclips for Band-Maid reactions almost every day (yes, I'm a dork). "Bestie" hit twice, audio then video and the number of reactions filled my search page for each. That pales in comparison to the clamor to react to the unofficial video you're discussing. Anyone that had reacted to B-M within the last two years was posting reactions _within hours_ of the unofficial post. Again, an unofficial recording of an unreleased song. I don't know that PonyCanyon _had_ to do something, but clearly they wanted to draw a line. Thanks for your insights Alan.
To be clear, copyright law (as in an Act of Congress) has not really changed. Copyright enforcement rules on RUclips are clear as mud and seem to be in a constant state of flux. Or maybe RUclips employees are just drunk all the time. Your advice on how to approach the issue and avoid problems is the best advice I have heard from anyone on this subject.
It is simple. When Band-Maid toured overseas. Band-Maid or PC have no issue with fan cam, they know it work differently and they accepted it. Someone just simply knew it and try their luck. Maybe sometime the only thing they want is respect as they respect you way of doing thing, they want you to respect their.( it’s like some come to your house sleep with your wife saying I help you making baby, I believe you not gonna say thank you). If they allow you, of course you can film, if not than don’t. Is that really hard to do it. I’m sure that if that is TW concert, B-M/PC will have any issue with it, but it’s B-M concert and TW were special guests.(eg. Incubus concert and B-M as the special guests, there no issue with fan cam when they played Bestie.
How do you know the person who recorded it "knew it and tried their luck"? One other thing. The promotion of this show wasn't "Band-Maid with special guests The Warning". You seem to have created a story in your head. 🤔
Thanks for the informative video especially since I didn't know how the copyright process worked. But that leads to another question - I see reactors pausing the videos during the replay due to copyright issues. And I've seen them hide it behind some type of filter. Does this affect the copyright algorithm or does it have little to no effect at all? Thanks!
If you change a video enough, then it is considered a new work and it has separate copyright protection. Reactors think they can change videos enough by overlaying the video with something and call it a new work. It appears RUclips agrees. But we don't know legally. I don't think this has been litigated yet.
I think the filters and pauses are both to help disguise and defeat the software that is constantly screening for copyrighted material (either audio or video), and an attempt to meet the “Fair Use Act” which implies the reactions are for e.g. “educational” purposes, and not simply replaying someone else’s intellectual property for their own profit.
@@KansaSCaymanS this hits the nail right on the head.
@@KansaSCaymanS It's reactor superstition. YT will almost always detect the audio if it plays for 6-8 seconds. Some small number of reactors do keep sections that short between pauses.
@@_DriveTime Yes this. 99.9999% of music reactors have no clue how the detection system for youtube works. The TV and movie crowd have a lot better understanding of the system in my experience.
With some of my reactions I will get partially blocked in some territories happen mostly with The Warning and Hanabie official RUclips channel and babyMetal too but yes I reacted to Band-Maid and The Warning video too but took it down because of that hopefully in the future we won’t have to deal with copyright issues or strikes music channel reactions are very popular on RUclips etc it’s cause of Waves I saw his video and then I took my video down before getting strike etc thx for though Dicodec keep on rocking 😊🤘
They are friends, I don't want text anything bad about any oth them. All of them work hard . Love both of them ❤😊
I saw the video online hours after some people already got a strike, and they were from small time channels.
Hey! I appreciate this video and the info you shared! We understand now that it wasn't good form to post a video of a song that wasn't yet released. As Wave mentioned, The Warning have allowed this, but, they are quite lenient. This has helped spread word about the band, but as you pointed out, that comes at a cost. The cost-benefit analysis is probably a factor there. This is no excuse either, but I just wasn't considering that angle, even though it makes sense when you think about it. Got caught up in the excitement. We have changed the rules about where we get our content for reactions.
It's interesting and a little unsettling, but most reactor content on RUclips happens in technically illegal territory unless there is a deal between reactor and artist/publisher. Not just music, but any content in general, even reacting to Tiktoks of stupid human tricks. Fair use mitigates some of that, especially when it's not music content, but it's not exactly spelled out in concrete and seems like the rules can shift around. It feels like there's a big unspoken negotiation going on all the time.
Thanks again!
Despite my eagerness to hear the collab, I knew not to watch any of the reactions. I treated it just like my policy of not watching pirated content or reactions to it...stuff from Band-Maid Prime, concert DVDs, and ESPECIALLY anything from the state-sponsored pirate site that starts with a B. And I also stop watching channels that do this...there are plenty of reaction channels that follow the rules.
reach out to Freeze The Fall as they are embracing reactors. some of us TWA helped them out and now they signed a distribution deal with 604 Records to get the music out while keeping all creative control. if there are any issues the band will clear it up for you.
As soon at it was posted I knew it would be taken down. The song was/is not released yet.
I was wondering when you were going to chime in on this Alan. Nice video. Pony Canyon has been pretty generous with RUclipsrs over the years. This time was different though. That poor quality fancam coming out of Japan should have been a major red flag to all reactors.
Nothing to do with poor quality. BM released a teaser. Fancam showed the whole song
@@TWICE_Queenz33 I'm aware. I was just saying that the poor quality should have been a tip off to reactors that it was a shady upload.
Really any fancam coming out of Japan should be a red flag considering that recording of any kind during a show is prohibited there 95% of the time. The artist can make the choice to allow it if they want, but that wasn't the case with this show. There were signs up saying no recording according to fans who were there.
Thanks for the clarification. I saw Wave, Rant and Chill and Glenn and Adrian React videos on this. At first, Wave was very shaken on this. But at least now we have the explanations. Glenn had a good video on it.
You have great advice for RUclips reactors. I have to thank you for watching out for the community.
Will you get to see Lovebites when they play their limited dates?
Going to dallas
@@dicodec Very cool. I'll be there, too.
Is it Illegal in Japan to video to a concert and publish to platforms on line.
Yes this is the real reason here. Likely the Warning staff member was just doing what they normally do without realizing this
Band-Maid themselves did this. 🤔
No, it's not.
It depends on the venue and the artist.
Asterism allow people to film and post entire sets.
BAND-MAID allowed fans to film and post one song from their Yokohama concert.
@rickwagner- right by more often than not it is prohibited by the venue in Japan. That being said it being unreleased, as Alan said is a big factor as to why their Ponycanyon took action
@@rickwagner- Correct. I don't think the venue policy is actually the issue. But the venue policy is in part to protect against bootlegging. Technically, unauthorized recording and reproducing/distributing copyrighted material without permission is and has always been illegal just about everywhere. It can only be permitted by the rights owners. It's their prerogative to allow it or not.
I would think using fan cam for reactions would be risky, even for previously published works. My understanding of the law might be wrong, but any fan cam uploaded to RUclips is a violation unless the rights holder gave permission is what I've always thought. If so, while today they might be content with blocking or taking the ad revenue in exchange, tomorrow could be strike city and an obliterated channel.
Another thing to consider is that Japanese law applies and, to the best of my knowledge, Japan has very restrictive Fair Use statutes and I believe that a no-recording policy is in effect for shows.
@@Scott_Diverscottgood point. RUclips/Google, being a multinational company, has to navigate so many laws. I'm guessing their lawyers are well paid.
@@Scott_Diverscottthe no recording policy was breached by Band-Maid. They also recorded part of the song and released it.
@@scottlafleur4148 I never implied that either band broke any policy. I'm stating that several RUclips channels broke the applicable copyright policy and were thus issued copyright strikes. Japan has some different rules than countries like the US do. The copyright in question is a Japanese copyright (could be a shared copyright) and is governed by RUclips's policy for compliance with Japanese law, concerning their copyrights. Also - Yes, I realize that Band Maid would have a hard time violating Band Maid's copyright.
@@Scott_Diverscott I was only replying to you saying "I believe that no record policy was in effect for shows" THAT IS A QUOTE . If that is the case Band- Maid broke that policy. That's all.👍
Just to be clear. The Warning is aware of the fan cam videos. They are talked about and linked in the comments on their Patreon. Songs that had fan cam videos before release of the song ( this may not be a full list) Money, More, S!CK, Hell You Call a Dream, Automatic Sun.
That's not the point😅
@@TWICE_Queenz33 He says in the video that he doesn't know if The Warning knows about the fan cams. That is one of the points.
@@TWICE_Queenz33 😂
Excellent explanation done in a professional business manner.
Doesn't matter if the official release view count isn't affected - you're not entitled to that initial revenue. The mindset in this case wasn't about promoting the band... it was getting first dibs on views.
Trying to understand what you mean with the first sentence.
For the second sentence I would say Maybe for some but Wave Potter was genuinely excited to check out the new collaboration.
@@dicodec First sentence regarding Wave's comments on how the viewing figures of the official video is likely unaffected (he was investigating The Warnings viewing numbers to compare) to try to justify his 'bootleg' - no, he's not entitled to the revenue from that 'bootleg' (as you pointed out with your MTH $177 example).
Yes he was, but he made up a full copy upscaled release purely to try and capture the market - I've seen similar from him before, and others.
@@chalfo But the other videos he did was copyrighted, so he made nothing from those other videos it went straight to the band
@@chalfoalso I agree none of us are entitled to anything from their creations.
@@dicodec Ah, you don't know the videos I'm referring to. However, it's a mindset which is very apparent whether it's reaction videos or others, and that's to get in first before the competition and get the views before viewer fatigue. Serving the bands best interests or your own, is the question here and to me it's this lack of integrity that got them burned.
Point to note: I rememnber one of Andrew White's (?) first appearances on GG talking about upcoming B-M release or interviews and the first question out of your mouth was "how can we monitize this?"
What you said makes perfect sense. A certain panacea is also the publication of such materials outside the YT "sandbox". 😅 If someone follows the creator's name, they will find it without any problems.
Copyright strike the material was new that is on the new Band Maid release kind of simple
I'm sure The Warning know exactly what they are doing, regarding their marking strategies, despite they do some things differently than the music industry. Rudy their manager are the founder of an company specialized in social media and internet marketing. Besides that he got an movie producer education and have worked in Hollywood. He's clearly very smart and in front when it comes to marketing.
Then, he should've known the concert rules beforehand and relayed the message to all crew members
@@TWICE_Queenz33 But do we actually know who made the "mistake"? Or do people just draw conclusions based on hearsay? Even official information can not necessarily by trusted these days, companies will only tell whatever make them look best in public, it's pure business. Your aware "leaks" can be an marketing strategy? Marketing people are often very cunning and their job is to create max awareness and hype.
@@TWICE_Queenz33 I looked i little into it, the guy that apparently posted the video aren't directly from the bands crew, but a guy running an Mexican management company, that apparently are involved in arranging some of The Warnings larger shows in their home country.
I guess he might have arranged TWs trip to Japan, otherwise I don't know why he's there. Not a guy I have seen or heard of before, despite TW posts a lot stuff that include the people they travel with. The 3 ladies share their daily life closely with their crew when on tour, behaving like they are all one big group of friends or an family. Their crew members are clearly handpicked to fit perfectly into the gang and make it fun and comfortable to be on tour.
Your title implies that Band-Maid and The Warning issued copyright strikes. They did not. Pony Canyon did. Please correct it.
No. RUclips issues strikes as automated policy. Pony Canyon initiated a video takedown request. Publishers do this all the time on various platforms. I doubt they care much about each platform's policies.
@@_DriveTime So you agree that Band-Maid and The Warning did not issue the strikes. Thank you!
@@cygnetseven Yes. The bands have other stuff to do.
@@cygnetsevenn another note, the person Band-Maid hires or allows to work for them puts strikes down for them. You know, like somebody doing the dirty work for you. I am a creator, and Band-Maid has blocked my videos before I even uploaded them and issued me strikes. They never share revenue. I never have this problem with The Warning. I mean, it's free advertisement. The least they could do is share the revenue that's made from the content.
@@DannyLeeOGTyour source? What videos were taken down? Free advertising 😅your channel gets no views😅
I mean the Japanese scene is kinda harsh. For a reason. There's a lot of piracy in Asia. Also even though the Warning were very open when they were independent (and very much benefited from reactions) but since they signed with Lava (a Sony subsidiary), that's changed. Given copyright hasn't been applied I get it. If you're old like me, you remember what a no no live bootlegs were back in the day. Not to mention the whole Napster debacle (sorry Lars). So not that unusual really.
Reaction channels are inherently a risk endeavor. One can take all the precautions they can do but copyright strikes/takedowns will happen. Reactors just has to accept it. Doesn’t mean it’s fair or make sense but that’s just how things are.
Good points. In my mind, the person/entity at real fault here, is whoever at PC that signed off on them playing that song live, in a hugely hyped event, where there would be no real control over what would get out. I feel like the real thing here may be that they have plans for wider release of the official track to increase BMs footprint overall in the West, and there could be a plan for how to do that, and this ofc messed that all up. If they wanted that much of a tight control on it, then letting it get played live is really on them, IMO. A real operational mess from a business standpoint, and lack of communication of the ramifications.
Just saw Tim Henson say he’s gotten a new collab with Babymetal and he wants them to write one for them so 2 collabs!
Stick to topic. I hate post promoting other bands 😅
@@TWICE_Queenz33 sorry didn’t know it was your channel lol
@@isitmeoryou2543 js😁
I really liked the BM/Polyphia collab. Hope these 2 new songs surpass their initial collab.
The Muppets and Babymetal? Oh TIM Henson.
It's the fate of reaction content. It's there by the grace of the rightsholders for the most part. And that's for released content.
Using unreleased material is just plain stupidity, especially for channels with the kinds of numbers as were involved in this "incident."
And the way Wave especially keeps whining, milking the topic and subtly pointing at the bands for more clicks and engagement is just cringe.
A little bit of click bait there Alan?? the ladies of Band-maid and The warning had nothing to do with the strikes, that is up to the Label/Management
This song is a special case for a number of reasons, it's on Band Maid's next record, it's a colab with a band who has a Billboard top ten hit, it's a pro-recorded live performance, the list goes on, but another thing about this bootleg, the audio quality so piss poor it makes the song sound bad. Even for a fan cam the sound is awful. The release of this bootleg was such absolute fuk'n foobar.
They should use blocks for channels that do not have a hurting behavior or an ill intention, but I'm sorry but they have all the right to get the money about stuff they've not given permission to use.
Thank you for the explanation and for pinning the additional info on copyrighting. As a matter of human decency, regardless of the legal nonsense, there should be a forgiveness or less painful mechanism for this kind of situation. A Warning crew member screwed up. Band-Maid's label or management made an inconsiderate decision in their desperation to protect royalties even if it hurt others. But the "bad guy" in this mess is momma YT. Honest, well-meaning reactors like yourself who generally make nothing from reacting were hurt, and there would have been nothing "temporary" about the strike if one of you had already had two. YT needs an option for an authoritative entity to strike without punishing the recipient of the strike. At the moment, they don't even have a way to authenticate copyright claims, but they're happy to soullessly enforce them. PS: I am not a reactor. I just don't like to see people hurt for something someone else did.
YT is giant and fully automated. The automation has no sympathies. The only options a publisher has to remove videos are 1) now 2) 7 days from the request. There are no other options. I don't think 7 days was reasonable in this case, so immediate was properly used IMO. Strikes are YT policy and are issued automatically by their software anytime it removes a video. No negotiating, no exceptions. It's software. Publishers remove content from multiple platforms all the time. It's almost certainly done by a low-ranking employee because it's pretty mundane work. I don't think they are particularly concerned about the policies of each platform, nor do I think they should be.
The problem is not the reaction video,
It's that someone created BAND-MAID x The Warning - SHOW THEM (Full Song Re-formatted 1080p).
In other words, the problem is that you patched together official video material to create another video.
Yeah….I was pretty disappointed in the collaboration. I think I am the only one. 😂 However, this controversy seems a bit phony to me and easily could have been planned to create more “talk,” about the collab for marketing reasons. I find the “Warning crew did it,” explanation suspicious as The Warning et al are incredibly disciplined….and smart.
Very unlikely. That's generally not how the Japanese work.
@@ApexRadius I don’t know anything about how the Japanese work, but it is how the entertainment industry in America often works. Controversy sells, and The Warning are so wholesome and without controversy that it can do nothing but help them.
@mjeffn2 Warning are wholesome or the crew? You don't know the crew personally. Fact is Warning crew member posted the video.
@@TWICE_Queenz33 It could have been an intentional plan, but we’ll never know.
It was a crew member of The Warning. He posted it to his IG account but took it down a couple of hours later.
Reddit had his identity posted along with the fancam vid. Fancam post was deleted on Reddit as well a few hours later.
It was band-Maid that took that action not the Warning
It was Pony Canyon, not Band Maid
These WarningfanBoys(not all, just the minority 🤡🤡🤡s) love throwing BANDMAID under the bus without researching 😅
Did the guy who posted the video get fired? That would be right
Pretty quick to damage a human being’s livelihood here, aren’t we?
@@robsorenson68 I forgot, this is the no fault generation. The Bastard knew not to do it. Go get a job scrubbing toilets
“Strikes” are definitely the wrong way to remove copyright content from youtube - just block in all territories if you don’t want it on youtube. Far kinder to the channel hosting it
Blocking is automated. The song is not yet in the YT system, so blocking was not possible. Copyright holders only remove videos, they don't issue strikes. Anytime a video is removed, YT issues a strike by their automated policy. Copyright holders take things down from myriad platforms and likely don't really care about each platform's policies.
Pony Canyon as with most Japanese companies are not great at advertising. They didn't expect the huge reaction to the The Warning and Band Maid song. All they had was a thirty second clip and the news that it would be on Band Maids next album. No news or teaser that the concert would be released later or the song would be on a MV. Instead a bad recording from the crew of The Warning was leaked. Foolishly fans got excited. It was a legendary moment. But Pony Canyon weren't ready and so we are stuck with Pony Canyon and the snails pace they will find more ways to take our money. They don't mind charging for a live stream of a concert. They don't mind then releasing several clips on their own channel and charging us for the DVD or Blu Ray of the concert. But by the time they get around to actually promoting the band and the song the initial buzz will be over. They don't need overseas fans. Sometimes they simply are not that good at getting ahead of the curb. Yes they have rules and they are right in the business sense. But in the long run they don't do a great job for the bands themselves.
They seem to have forgotten that it was their fans on the internet that gave them fame and fortune. How quickly people forget when money's involved. Sad.
They didn't forget😅 They released a teaser
It's the labels that do strikes not the artists
@@lovecrypto3466 No. RUclips issues strikes as automated policy. Pony Canyon initiated a video takedown request. Publishers do this all the time on various platforms. I doubt they care much about each platform's policies.
You go to work for free cause your boss gave you a job?
@@lovecrypto3466yes RUclips is following the labels rules and most bands realize especially these days many people get their music online and they would rather just get their music out there this goes to the top and those that run the labels and need to get with the times!
I'm getting a little tired of all the apologetics I'm hearing on this subject.
There was no actual reason why PC needed to bury this video and strike all the reactors. None. It was a shitty, blurry, mushy cellphone video; was it REALLY acting as a market substitute for a professional release? No. I guarantee that everyone who saw that video, if an official proshot video came out, would go watch that instead. So they'd still get their views. And when the album comes out, literally nobody who was going to buy the album before will say "nah, you know what, I have a shitty fancam of one song off that album, I'm good."
They didn't need to do it to protect their copyright. RUclips had no problem handing out all these strikes on no basis other than PC's say-so; do you REALLY think that a major Japanese media company would ever have a problem convincing RUclips that they owned the copyright on this? People saying "well the algorithm won't know who really owns it and someone else will get credit first and and and--" Bullshit. Fake problem.
And then there are the people saying "well Japanese culture is different and doesn't allow recording--" I don't see how that affects people outside Japan. Japanese are welcome to not react to this fancam footage if they're so eager to obey their own laws.
So what this boils down to is an entitled babyman company impulsively throwing its weight around and slapping reactors in an attempt to control something that's outside their control. That's it.
Hey🤡they released a teaser.
RUclips issues strikes as automated policy. Pony Canyon initiated a video takedown request. Publishers do this all the time on various platforms. I doubt they care much about each platform's policies.
Within hours wave remastered and released the damn song on his channel, not as a reaction. I get a little tired of thinking everyone has a right to take artist work and "repackage" it. Reactions do not help bands anywhere near as much as reactors think IMHO. Comparatively large channels react to bands and the bands Subs hardly move. TWs surge is a result of finally deciding to use a U.S. label, not reactions or people being excited over bootlegs, that's nonsense.
@@bartyslattfast The original video had a weird aspect ratio. All he did was fix that by cropping it. The fact that you actually think this is a huge deal seems insane to me. It's not as though he was selling bootleg concert DVDs or claiming he was the performer.
"I get a little tired of thinking everyone has a right to take artist work and "repackage" it. "
They do. Learn to deal with it.
@@chrisbergsten1429 I completely understand fair use. The "big deal" to me is actually how worked up reactors got when a company that has always been laid back, even when full rips of DVDs are posted, took action in one specific case. Almost all the reactor channels involved grew on the backs of bands not the other way round so acting offended when a bands label takes actions to limit or remove access to material is IMHO overreacting. I think PC should have released the track first as they have in the past and then none of this happens, they just claim rights like they always have. Hopefully they remove the strikes and everyone learns from it.
For me, the removal of this video was because the Band Maid vocalist did not reach a note in the song they did together with TW and that is why they removed it, the warning is still open to RUclips, this was all on Band Maid's side, yes, the warning doesn't care because they are loyal to their followers on youtube.
The trolls are here early. 🤣
Terrible take. I love both bands but this is the way it is in Japan & it is what they know for all bands in Japan.
This comment section is about to get heated 😂
@@gabrielholguin3689 That wasn't a "take". It was yet another brain-dead troll.
[citation needed]
>source: you made it the fv@k up.
furthermore, just because there are _some_ people who don't aggressively protect their copyrights is NOT a condemnation of others who do.
Most of none officially release videos, those sucks due to lack of quality recording.
Thank you, As a creator, I have a hard time with copyright sharing and sharing content. I've never had a problem with The Warning, but I've had a lot of problems with Band-Maid. I've mentioned this to all the hundreds and hundreds of subscribers I've gained: I cannot keep supporting a band who never shares anything. I think they are very confused about what copyright sharing or sharing revenue with its creator entails. I would love for you to do a follow-up video on that.
Thx @KuztumcreatorOGT
Dude, they have over 40 million reaction views. Pony Canyon revenue shares even on some pirated material. If they're blocking all your stuff, you might need to do some investigation. There are new reactions to their stuff going up every day.
why did they block you but not other reactors?
@@apple-on5pq you really think I have an answer to why other channels didn't get blocked
@@apple-on5pq possibly because you don't see a blocked reaction I mean that's kind of Common Sense
@DannyLeeOGT you still haven't name one bandmaid song that caused you "troubles " it seems you're just a another BM hater. Making up bs😅
When I saw Wave’s reaction to the video it was upgraded to 1080 and integrated the 30 sec BM release. Which at the time I said that was a fast upgrade to the original live stream which I saw earlier. Don’t know if that factored in.
How different are copyright laws are in each country or is it because it’s on RUclips, Also how are digital ids applied to songs I heard that was a reason too it was not blocked.
I thought it was illegal to video at Japan venues unless the permission was granted like Choose Me was at Yokohama. I have watched videos of TW playing at their last two shows in Japan but they were not reactions just the song. Is there a different between posting a video only or when it’s part of a reaction?
Live and learn is part of being a successful business person. I just don’t want any new Band-Maid fans to be turned off by this.
🤘🕊️🦍🥷👸🏻👀PO!
I know for sure that in Japan fair use does not exist. How that works with a US based international cooperation like Google/RUclips I don't know. But the lack of fair use is why companies like Nintendo have such an easy time protecting their IP