No Till Drill: Year 2, Lessons Learned Land Pride 606NT Great Plains
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2022
- In this video, Dad talks about our first year using the Great Plains No Till Drill on our food plots. He goes on to explain what we did to correct our mistakes. Hopefully you guys have some information to share and or learn something from us.
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After reading the comments, I feel sorry for you. You've taken on yourself to do all the work, not only the regular field and plot work, but also the extra time and expense of the camera and editing work to bring these videos to hopefully be helpful to everyone. And then, some negative Neds out there reply with criticism and arrogance, and some of which reveal they either didn't watch the whole video, or are really stupid, because you already answered their question in your video. I just wanna say thank you for your efforts. I have enjoyed learning from many of your experiences, and not just from this no-till stuff, but also the Polaris ranger clutch replacement with an impact that helped me. I just cringe when someone snaps back with a comment that seems like they think they're an expert, and you didn't have a clue. Everyone has to start somewhere and go through a process of learning. Documenting your process and showing the good and bad lessons learned is really helpful to many. At least you're trying something, and having the courage to show the whole world, good or bad. I respect and appreciate that.
I appreciate your comments more than you know and I am not big on the neg nancy's that won't watch the video but comment LOL
I started my journey into regenerative ag about 1.5 years ago. I had a major drought on sandy soil.....and nothing but weeds on most of my food plots. I had been doing corn and soybeans and had real big issues with pigweed among others. I made a decision to change to no till and bought a drill.
My first intent was to "crowd out" the weeds and get some roots in the ground. I nuked everything and started with a clean sheet of paper. I put down 134 lbs of seed to the acre over ten acres in late August (Im in Northern MN). My BIL and other guys I know from forums steered me into a mix of three things. 1. Grains 2. Legumes 3.Brassicas. I put down 100 lbs of Cereal Rye, 5 lbs of GHR, 10 lbs of AWP, and white clover(s), medium red clover, PTT, DER, Collards, and more. Same mix of 12 seeds over 10 acres.
8 of the ten acres were pretty well ammended from past fertilizer and lime programs.....and about two acres were under development. I no more than finished seeding those mixes.....and the rains came......and they came regularly through the fall. Fantastic crops going into fall on there better ground.....and mediocre growth on the poor soils. The fall hunt was good.....and in spring I had deer working on the clover and rye as soon as the snow was gone. Immense benefit after a tough winter here in MN......the deer were really thin but had food to get them started.
The next year.....I did drill Green Cover Crop summer release "green" into the rye and now decent clover in mid June. And terminated my winter Rye about two weeks later. While the summer release was an "OK" crop.....I have found we have too short of a growing season to do too much of that going forward. Instead I am now using a later maturing rye to get me into July before I roller crimp that rye......and later prepare for my fall brassica crops. I got beautiful clovers and the deer prefer that over most other things available. (tho I may add some soy beans and maybe even try some corn again in some areas via my drill.....but I will keep roots in the grourd). The amount of seed used seems a bit high until you realize that by growing rye and legumes.....you are basically growing your own fertilizer and keeping all the moisture in the ground as you keep weeds away via the allopathic effects of that rye....and providing no room for weeds. Win/ Win / Win.
I use a roller / crimper to lay that rye down just like Grant Woods does it (now in late June or July). After cutting some clover really short to the ground....(maybe a bit dependent on weather and such?) I can then drill some areas for fall brassicas. Then in early September.....I will plant that winter rye again and more clover for the following season. I started with a cheap drill.....and just bought a better drill a week ago. The drill I had worked fine.....I just like nice tools that are reliable and last a long time. In my sand I can get along with more of a conventional drill (not needing those front coulters) and still do a no till operation.
Not sure this info is helpful to anyone....but it's good to write it down. Lots of variables happen along the way......stay flexible.
We appreciate you sharing that, we have found there is no one way to do this and looks like you are finding what works for you and your area.
Thanks for the info..we are going to NT and Crimper this year as well.. Dr. Woods methods has me convinced that the land we own/hunt is perfect for this type of application.
I agree that, yes it is significant amount of seed, but you are creating the nutrients the soil needs and terminating it is key. thanks again.
You’ll be happy soon brother, you need to get soil and initial crops right and then you’ll be golden with crimping cover over your no tilled in seed. You were right to initially till to get the field flat so drill goes in even. I do it for a living and trust me your money was spent well and you’ll love it.
Don't beat yourself up just yet. As you said it takes a while. You learn as you go or at least I did. The planter is but a tool. Never forsake your fertility. It all starts there.
I have a roller chopper for heavier clearing so it's basically a heavier crimper but with straight blades not angles like a crimper- Do you think that if I plant green, I could come back with the chopper and cut my oats and let them fall over my spring seed?
I didn't have a lot of success with the crimper and I can't imagine why what you have would not work though. Can do like us, just try it. Bad part is, have to wait a whole year to change it up again!!! LOL Hence our name year 2 lessons.
I appreciate the video man. I’ve always sprayed. Fertilized Disked. Cultipacked, seeded and packed again. Wanting to do no till. Buddy has a 705 NT. Wonder if I should fluff the ground up after spraying then drill? If not I’m afraid the sod will be too hard
Don’t fluff it up. That’s why it’s hard. You’ll make it worse.
Kill everything and then drill when the moisture is right. You might not get it in as deep a you would like in the first year, but eventually it will become easier as the amount of organic matter in your soil increases. Never burn. Spread composted cattle manure if available at low cost in your area.
Have you considered a perennial pasture?
I would say if it is actually sod like grass, I would have a hard time not starting traditional tillage which is what I did
“The 606NT has a weight bracket that can be added to each end of the drill to add up to 600 pounds (273kg) of weight for better penetration in extremely difficult no-till conditions.”
If you added that would your answer change?
@@mattoe8621 Mine does not have issue with it cutting through sod, just can't stand the thought of putting a seed 3/4" deep into sod not actual dirt. There is no set way to do this. Anyone that says that this is "the way" might consider saying this is "a way" to do this.
You could achieve the same result with a tyne seeder. No need for a disc seeder if you are working up the soil.
A major benefit of disc seeders is being able to sow directly into sod and trash without fouling the machine.
Keep in mind that the disc seeder will roll (press) the soil over the seed bed, providing a uniform depth despite how it looks on top.
You have an excellent machine. As more farmers buy them, hopefully the price premium over tyne machines diminishes.
No till drill doesn't mean you stop Fertilizing and Lime, spray kill, lime drill Fertilizer. The drill allows you too do multiple plantings in different time crops without destroying planted crops.
Our version it does reduce the need for fertilizer in time by planting the correct plants to pull from the air and the cover from the dead material keeping weeds down. I would not say it stops it but the plan is to reduce it. Time will tell
@@hunterworksoutdoors You still need Potassium and Phosphorus for root growth, but you can cut down on Nitrogen from a third to on have depending on the Legumes you plant.
@@carrollsanders9376 yes sir, that is what I said, less fertilizer and time will tell. The soil samples we do each year will tell us what we need.
Thanks for video. I got drawn into the process. Have a 606NT drill and just bought a 8ft Goliath crimper. Like you mentioned, I thought everything would crimp down, but it doesn’t !!
My biggest issue is the 7 1/2 spacing on the drill. In Mississippi and we have tons of deer (not complaining). I don’t get enough seed coverage with the drill versus broadcasting. I am in to far to turn back now!! Do you cross drill for better coverage? How deep are you planting your rye? Again thanks for doing these videos! I am subscribing!
@@Beenblessed1959 my field looks amazing and all filled in. I do do some cross drilling where I can but limited on room to run around with the pull type. I set it to 3/4". Shoot me an email at todd@hunterworks.com and I will send you a pic of one of my fields or two, the second is straight, no cross, is a narrow strip
how do you fertilize with no till? like when i disc I till broadcast fertilizer and then disc the fertilizer into the ground. Whats the process with no till?
Fertilizer really does not need to be disced in, the rain takes care of it. So just on top of the ground. I never been a fan of discing over it, puts the fertilizer too deep in my opinion
I would do this, plant a clover or hairy vetch in the fall. Deer love it and both crimp and they fix nitrogen in the soil for the next crop. Yes I am a farmer.
I planted clover in other fields last fall, thank goodness that was not my only plot in the area, didn't see the clover until this spring. We are gonna try and stick with the Green Cover seed fall and summer releases on two fields, have clover on three others.
I just don’t see the need for a 18k no till drill. I think dr grant woods and others are getting a big kick back on promoting these things. You can spray standing vegetation. Broadcast 100lb/acre of cereal rye. Mow or roll the vegetation over the rye seed. You’ll have a nice standing rye plot that you can do the same thing to the following year and plant whatever you want.
maybe but some seeds do not come up well broadcast and you waste a lot of seed. You just told me, you go over your field at least three times, you left out fertilizer, so that is four times. We hit it one time two tops, huge time saver. Another good use of the drill is say spreading 8lbs of clover over a field, what you gonna do that with accurately? A drill is not for everyone. I like ours and I like having good ground contact with the seed. So it really depends on what you want to do and what seed you are planting. Trying planting soybeans like that, lots of videos about that and they rarely turn out good, that seed needs to be planted 1 1/2" deep to do well. I will add, our video is not for anyone without a drill, it is for those with one or fixing to buy one and needs a leg up. These are really for the folks that have committed to the drill.
I’m not sure why you did all that work, just to plant it with a drill. Seems contradictory to what it’s for. I plant my plots(by broadcasting) into stuff like that behind you and just bushhog over it with great success.
Did you watch the video or just look at the thumbnail? The video explains this and why there is a video called lessons learned.
Also, we use the drill to plant on tradition tilled fields too like clover, how else you gonna get 8lbs over a acre?? When you have one , you use it
I watched the entire video.
@@n2trkys18 Then I do not understand why you asked it. We do things a way not the way and this is how I wanted to start this off with a clean slate again. It worked out pretty well for us. Was 14 deer in that exact spot yesterday afternoon.
I don't think the 606NT is the problem here. You disked. You bus hogged. You oxidized the soil and killed the worms.
Yep, and every time the soil is broken apart by whatever tillage method is used, you start all over. The fungal networks are the key to nutrient cycling and you kill them every time you till the soil. David Brandt is an amazing resource for this information.
No one said the drill was the issue, the lack of fertilizer, rain and having enough elbon rye was my issue. My method wrong or right was to start over with traditional methods to have a nice and flat seed bed.
I wanna get into what you’re doing but I wanna try using compost to enrich the soul and then maybe you wouldn’t have to use as much fertilizer and lime I don’t know I’m not no pro and the only way you gonna figure it out is to keep playing with it until you get the outcome you want
@@jimmiecalvert3572 nothing wrong with that if you have a small plot, on several acres that would be tough
Brother you should have burned that off the first and second time if needed and saved all that fuel.
It was not literally that bad and fuel is rather cheap
@@hunterworksoutdoors fuel, time, wear and tear on equip. You said yourself you have other acres and things to do.
Very impressive. Using an 18 thousand dollar no till drill on a totally prepared seed bed. Hope it was capable of planting through all that dust.
Did you watch the video sir? Did you listen? The name of the video is year 2 lesson learned, so I am starting the process over and hoping that is the last time I have to "prepare" the ground.
We have the same drill and it is a nice piece of equipment. We had the soil issues to start especially with the sandy clay soils here in SE Georgia. The soil here is nothing like the videos I see of what they have in the Midwest.
Sell that Disc to a scrapper!
I use it for other things, just not food plots
Using a no till drill on a tilled patch sems like a stupid approach to trying move forward to building soil carbon
Again, did you even watch the video before making yet another stupid comment?