How good was Apple's Emac?
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2018
- Hello and Welcome to another Budget Builds Video where today we'll be taking a look at the eMac G4 from 2002. A Mac you can pick up online for anyone for around £10, which is about $15/20USD. (Proof of pricing: imgur.com/a/ea6mdwf ... Cause lets be honest someone will complain)
Its one of the most interesting macs to buy into on a budget, supporting a wide range of software, featuring a high quality, high refresh rate CRT Display, a PowerPC Based CPU (From when Mac actually meant something), and generally is just an all around awesome computer....But that all sounds well and good till you realise that these things are 15 Years old. So join me, as we find out if these things are still worth it.
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4:50, your fan does not agree with your choice of computer 😂😂😂
Fan over-Rev was common on the Emacs
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God my elementary school had an entire computer lab full of these. Ahhh such good memories.
D Adam same at my school and they had this robot alien game on it too
D Adam you guys used Macs ?
Haha...must be an expensive computer lab...my school still uses the HP i5 2500K 8GB RAM computers..
Had been there since i was in grade 2...now i am in college
ali99 _ Man, you guys have i5s? My last secondary school still uses i3s and before to this day. Yes really.
D Adam Oh man back when I was in primary school we had these massive bulky CRT monitors and these really outdated PCs with beige cases and ancient hardware. But it worked brilliantly for the basic MS Word and MS Paint stuff we were doing back in those days.
D Adam schooI (there is a trick. Find it.)
Not that this machine can push such frame rates, but the CRT also does 112Hz at 800x600 which is a nice bonus.
142Hz at 640x480 aswell.
2 more Hertz and you are having a gaming monitor xD
420 hz at 1x1
That's why I love my iMac G3, gets up to 117 hz according to control panel. And on Mac OS 9 it flies and you can really take advantage of that refresh rate
@@MSNWindows7 I have got my 2000 iMac G3 snow white dualbooted with os9 and OSX 10.3 (10.4 is slow) and it works amazingly on os9, the speakers are really nice aswell but I don't wanna wear them out so I use external logitech ones intstead
Got my eMac for free behind bestbuy at the dumpster, cleaned it up and it works great. Definitely one of my favorite Macs
I loved mine. Had it from from 2002-2008. Great machine
Being somebody who uses a PowerBook G4 1GHz a few times a month, I'd say that there are better ways to use the full potential of this machine.
First of all, slap in a larger HDD, something about 100-160GB is the sweet spot for later G4 machines IMO. You should also max the RAM to 1GB
As for operating systems, I'd suggest you install Mac OS X 10.5.8 and Mac OS 9.2.2 dual-booted. Mac OS 9 runs extremely well on later G4 machines and it's great for playing older games since Classic Environment found on Mac OS X 10.4 or earlier just doesn't cut it. Furthermore, the Radeon 7500 may perform better under OS 9 as it's more of a late OS 9 card than an OS X card!
By installing Mac OS X 10.5.8, you'll be able to use a key piece of software called 'Leopard Webkit'. This is a browser engine based on the latest version of Safari (yes, latest as of 2018) that runs with the native Safari UI and performs much much better than TenFourFox. It's so good that it even allows me to watch 360p video on my PowerBook without any lag whatsoever.
Another piece of software that makes these machines shine is CorePlayer (can be found on MacintoshGarden) which is a media player that uses AltiVec instructions to their maximum potential. For example, through it I can play 720p with little to no framedrops on my 1GHz PowerBook G4 which I simply find mind-blowing :)
To make OS X Leopard more bearable (does a huge difference on my Mac), use tips from this link: ppcarchive.dyniform.net/tuning-a-g4-for-leopard.html
On a concluding note, great video and I wish to see more PowerPC stuff on this channel. If you have any questions, ask on the MacRumors PowerPC forums as the folks there are extremely friendly.
P.S: To make your life easier while installing Leopard, I could send you a DMG I use which has Intel code stripped down and lots of junk removed. It can be restored to your HDD in around 3 hours with a USB pendrive and an OS X Tiger install disk.
Aurora A. Unlike your PowerBook, the hard drive is stuck under the CRT and is not easily user replaceable, I have one and it's a real pain 😕
What you say is OK with later eMacs than the one shown here, and great advice. I'm afraid you're quite helpless with the kind of early eMac shown in this video, though
Tiger runs MUCH better on G4s and even G5s. I have a 1.25ghz USB 2 eMac and also a iMac G5 both maxed RAM, and there is a noticeable performance decrease in Leopard. also I dont think eMacs support OS 9
donot ryon Oh that’s odd, my Power Mac G4 867MHz ran better under Leopard than under Tiger.
Most of the folks on the MacRumors PowerPC forum are pretty reasonable, but there are several there that decide to become haughty, passive-aggressive, and gang up on you once you mention the word "Linux". Threads can be derailed very easily, thus, tread with caution.
This was sent from an iBook G4 running Arctic Fox under Debian Sid, browsing the web much faster than TenFourFox ever could. They can't handle the truth.
Next Vid: "Can you game on a Vauxhall Astra"
After that one: ''Can you game on a Corrado?''
ByOniix yes
I own one, my daily workhorse SXI 2003 3 Door 1.6. Still love it... never had any issues with it.
first, upgrade the stereo to a gaming compatable double din unit
@@niga2 it's the same but the name is used in uk
I am not an Apple fan, but I will say the older models are pretty cool!
The emac is the most beautiful mac creation to date, even Tim Cook is astonished by its processing abilities. Its monitor is honestly perfect for some budget gaming. Great vid, keep making this AMAZING content. I really appreciate it, thank you.
It looks good, but it’s no iMac G4
Good stuff
Gotta love the fact that if you have a check sign next to your name, you can get away with saying something like "cool" and still amass a truckload of likes :-P
The heart from the creator helps emphasize it too - but 9 likes isn't really a "truckload" at all o_O
Those Minecraft figures bring me back to when I'd wake up every morning at 6am and play in the dark on my dad's laptop with around 8-20fps. Anyways, these old Macs are nice, especially the G4 ones. Just gotta get to filming mine. Keep it up man, this video turned out fantastically
HoppsTech thats a bit nostalgic for me also... I remember playing the game on my old e2140 with 1gb ram and a VIA CHROME9 graphics card on windows xp. I played the game until it stopped supporting pixel shader 2.0.
Hell yeah.
I built some pos PC with a Radeon 9200 back in 2011 out of scrapped machines, I played Minecraft on this thing at any sacrifice.
It was a real shitty time but that PC is one of the few good memories.
HoppsTech I used to play Minecraft on my family’s ancient HP Pavilion 7000. I used to get around 2-8fps, 5 most of the time, and 10-12 was the highest I ever got. I’ve still got the old XP-running relic in my room and it still works just about it. Unfortunately it’s hard drive drivers are fucked and I need to find it’s original recovery discs to fix it.
Just Another RUclips Channel oof I had a Windows XP but sold it😂
@@justanotheryoutubechannel You can burn the iso to a disk, or use linux like i do.
As soon as you started testing the inbuilt speakers I was just waiting for an Oasis track haha
Oasis is my favorite band!!
I got one a few years ago for £15, mine appears to be a bit newer with a 1.42 Ghz CPU, DDR RAM (upgraded to 2GB) and a radeon 9600, runs Mac OS X really well, internet is ok, Quake 3 runs really well!
I have a Intel core i5-7200u, 8Gb of ram, 1Tb of storage, and Intel HD graphics 620 GPU which runs Minecraft at 25-40Fps😎
@@mas7rreaper126, I envy you. All I got is a i3-4005u and 4 GB of ram. Only Linux (antiX) made me use it with some pleasure. The system uses less resources than Windows XP (115 MiB of RAM). I think it's impressive for a x64 system.
I have this model as well, and made my own comment. Also maxed the RAM at 2. I wanted to try Minecraft on this maxed out model but kept getting errors trying to launch it. I think the capacitors died in mine, so I have repairs to do. Yours might be due soon too.
@@mas7rreaper126 sounds like your GPU is a huge ass bottleneck
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I got a powermac g5 for free from freecycle which I use for recording and editing my music which is pretty awesome :) all it needed really was cleaning up
Love the Unplugged Nirvana casette!
I noticed that too!
Thanks for making this. This was one of the first computers I ever used and was the only Mac I have ever used until in a few weeks when my M1 Pro MacBook comes in the mail. So crazy to see how far the operating system and hardware have come! It'll definitely be a HUGE leap from my Mac experience 17 years ago!
Dude, it's amazing seeing you hit 100,000 subscribers. I think it was at like 64 when I found this channel and knew it'd be a gem. Genuinely happy for you, man!
Great video! I love this era of macs, I have both a PowerBook and a powermac with g4 processors. These were the machines I grew up with
I've never used an eMac before, but it seems like a really cool computer, especially with that nice CRT display.
3:14 your fan is dancing, nice vid btw!
"And it's better than the kind of PC you could pick up for ten pounds"
I've literally pulled Core 2 machines out of the trash.
I do not turn on notifications for any channel except for this one, your videos are so entertaining and I love your budget builds keep posting!!
Cheers man, will do, appreciate that you do that
I have a vague memory of my grandmother having one
We had a music room full of these when I was in school - I loved them, was wonderful for logic.
You are one of my favorite channels i always look forward to all your uploads
Cheers man.
My elementary school had dozens of these. By the time I entered high school they still had them but most of them were put into storage and replaced. Looking at these specs I would love to have one of these, not too bad!
Awesome video man!
Thanks for making a video on my favorite incarnation of the Mac! I still have my 1.25ghz model with 1gb of ram and it still works really well! With Spotify working and a modern web browser selection between Webkit, TenFourFox, and Roccat, and a DVD drive, I still find it really quite useable even today!
CONGRATS ON 100K AND THE FANCY CHECKMARK!
I love how I just was humming the tune to passport.mid and then I hear it in the background!
Great video, keep it up. Also thank you so much for helping me with my computer. Cheers
No worries man, enjoy the video.
Yes! I hoped from the thumbnail this would be an eMac. I used to have a couple and regret getting rid of them. Also, sweet cassettes dude :-D
I remember using that in early elementary school. So nostalgic. I feel old now. I also remember prying open the CD tray door and letting go to see and hear it snap shut again because I guess that was a fun thing to do as a kid to annoy a teacher. Lol
Dang that fan is going ham!
I had one of the later generation ones. Great little computer. My niece has since inherited it.
I recently bought one of these and I love it.
Never did have the eMac but a few G3 iMacs which we still have a couple kicking about, as well as 2 G5 towers. Loved the old PPC's. My favourite Mac was the dual 1.25 MDD which I still regard as the most beautiful computer ever built. I put that baby through hell and back. Hmmm.. I might just have to buy one and put an ATX inside.
Love the channel :-)
100k subs good job!😃
Cheers man
i really liked the sound demo, wow, good machine :3
Love the sim city music !
I used one of these from about 2003-2007. It was great.
I remember using these in school, it made me buy my first Mac, a second hand G4 iMac!
Thanks to a local repair shop, I now own one myself. It isn’t one that can boot OS 9 natively though but it is the faster 1.25 GHz USB 2.0 Combo drive model released in mid-2004. It is one of the first working PowerPC Macs I’ve owned as the PowerMac G5 2.0 DP from the same time period needed repaired at the time.
Anybody else appreciate the majora's mask references?
We had these in my secondary school. Good times playing Those online arcade games.
I love and recognize the use of Sim Copter hanger music in this video. I feel like that game doesn't get enough attention despite how fun and innovative it was at the time it was released! I wish someone would make a similar game with modern graphics in 2018.
The black and white Macintosh models, the original Imac and the first all aluminium Imac's are my personal favourites
Dad came home with two of these, a 700 and an 800. the 700 was prone to flyback errors. we had it swapped for an 800, and the other 800 was swapped for a 1.25 later on. the "computer room" had the 800 on one desk and the 1.25 on the other. then the iMac G5 came into the picture and the 1.25 went to a third desk. I sold off the 800 at a yard sale about ten years ago but kept the 1.25. Common problems these have include the build-up of dust inside the back shell, the speaker surrounds deteriorating, and the plastic protectors for said speakers breaking from age. the CRTs are some of the best shipped in or with any Apple product, and it was the last product to have such a thing. The fact that I got to experience one daily in my home when they were new is something I am happy about.
These were also among the last PPC Macs to support running MacOS 9. Dad was interested in solely this for reasons of having a fast all in one machine that wasn't an iMac to get multiple of for use in the family printing company's prepress department. That seemed to go down the drain, since dual-1.25 MDD2003s started appearing on desks instead.
I'd love to see a follow up, this is very interesting. I wonder if the older versions of Final Cut will work better with that eMac, Photoshop CS2 might actually be usable considering it was a widely used Mac application during the PowerPC G4 era and from what I can tell emulation on it might not actually be insane (No 3D consoles obviously).
Worth the wait :)
wow, over 100,000 subscribers, congrats!
Cheers man
Budget-Builds Official :)
I have the highest spec eMac in my colletion! The CRT on it is still one of the best screens I have seen in person. Mine has the 1.42GHZ G4, 2GB DDR, ATI 9600 and a 160gb HDD, AirPort Extreme 802.11b/g running Leopard.
I still have one of these in my garage collecting dust. Mine has the Power PC G4 at 1.25 GHz though. I used it as a back up computer/music playing computer for years though. And the one I have I remember playing Warcraft 3 and even Vanilla WoW worked nicely at the time.
That's a fast fan you have there .
Nice review :) Im waiting for PowerMac G4 Dual cpus ;)
Love these computers. I had 3 at different points. Even had the Lucite clear stand for one.
7:07 Again, always nice to encounter a fellow Oasis fan through unrelated browsing. Standing On The Shoulder of Giants is a criminally underrated album.
I remember seeing several of these back in elementary school. I'd get one but I'd have to make some room for it.
Interesting Video :) I still use my older macbook from 2016. And it has perfect screen compared even to todays budget laptops
i had to subscribe due to the great taste in music
While 10 2009 iMacs were running Snow Leopard and Photoshop in my last post, a single eMac running Tiger was the only Mac capable of scanning from an A3 scanner with a SCSI to USB adaptor. Tiger was the last OS for which drivers were available. Compared to the iMacs, it was very slow but it still performed a vital function. That’s all it did. Files were copied using thumb drives. I salvaged it and I’ve picked up a few others for free. Still have them. Would love to do a mod with a 17” screen and a MacMini on one, or on a G3 iMac shell.
Great video as usual but i was more focused on that fan turning super fast in those fast forward bits lol
i watch 5 ads and click on them just to help you pay for that eMac :D
Fantastic video. Convince me to get a mac just mess with it.
3:03 i audibly gasped and said that's so cool at that cd bay drive, such a brilliant location
cool vid keep it up
I have Apple IMac G4 1.25 17-Inch flat screen its my fav it still works great
I loved this series mac In school, nanosaur and internet games :) also I would try marble blast ultra, that was the smoothest running game from my memory
Finally he’s back
This is also my favourite mac. Lovely Machine it was
The G4 was a beast, Nanosaur (Dinosaur game) and Marble Blast Gold ran great on these computers
We also had Cromag Rally and BugDom
just watched this video on a 03/04 emac, not the smoothest ever but still amazing for 15 years later.
Yay he is back
I am
So all macs aren't bad then. Sort of a nostalgia trip for me there with a CRT screen, I took ages to change to an LCD. And damn you spent a poop load of time on that video.
I'm watching this video and reading this comment using a CRT right now lol. There are just some applications where they're preferable for me, like retro games. And since they're big and sturdy they last forever as long as you don't drop them!
The old Macs Are credible unlike the new ones (i have an i5 and 8gb ram Macbook Pro (it cost me $2500) for school and my $200 dollar i5 8gb ram computer outdoes it in every way)
Used to have one of those was a great computer
My middle school still used those in the library as library catalog machines along with a few iMac G3's and a G4. The G3's were between 400 MHz and 600 MHz with 512 MB of RAM and the G4 machines were 1GHz with 256 MB of ram. Not sure if they're there now but they were in 2014. I no longer go to that school so I'm unsure.
I just picked up one of these a couple of days ago, as well as a Power Mac G5
The G5 is an awesome system
The one I picked up is a dual 2.0GHz model, and (including the price of the eMac) only cost me around £30. I'm using it as a game server now
I own a 1.25 GHz USB 2.0 eMac myself along with a 2.0 GHz DP PowerMac G5 from mid-2004
I have a iMac g5 and the screen is almost always black but occasionally flickers on. Do I have a bad screen or a bad gpu?
I had one of these they were amazing, I had the 2006 model
I had one. I liked it.
The eMac made for a darn nice office machine with its 17" flat CRT screen. It was like an "upgraded" gumdrop iMac. For its time it was great. Apparently it's also possible to get Mac OS 9.2.2 running on it natively. More info on the MacOS9Lives forums.
I remember seeing these in a music room at a high school I was looking at, it was 2017.
My university had a Mac Lab full of these (they upgraded it to iMac G5s the year I graduated). I always thought they were very cool and clean looking little computers.
We had these in my school for video editing and webdesign, hated it lol.
Thank you for emphasizing the GPU. Most other "tech" channels don't , which tells me they really know Sweet Fanny Adams. And yes the number of sites to download PPC games are disappearing fast. Thank you for not just telling us what it comprises of but info on how best to use it and where to get programs for it.
You are, by far, the best presenter I've come across yet. But most people wont appreciate that. They like snazzy names over content. But you know that already.
My 1.25 GHZ Radeon 9200 plays Halo flawlessly. My 1.42GHZ Radeon 9600 DOOM 3 and Quake 4 perfectly.
CRT screen is much superior to early flat screen, especially watching DVDs. Grab one.
my boi rockin haircut from 1992 4:24, no hate my dude
I bought a G3 iMac in the early 2000s in order to hop on the Apple bandwagon (it was a companion to my main PC). It was definitely a lot of fun learning the ways it was different from Windows.
Your desk fan looks like it's going nuts..
If only they rotated at that speed in real life 🤔 time to overclock?
Yay new video
I got an early 2009 iMac for free from my dad's friend's mother when she was upgrading. She also gave me her new Magic Mouse and wireless keyboard because she preferred her old ones. It's a very capable machine, and I was able to get it running High Sierra with a little fiddling.
I'm always impressed with these mac screens and you can't grumble for a tenner.
Look at dat fan going CRAZY
Great video as always! I would love to get an eMac, but I wonder how difficult they are to get into and upgrade? Those speakers sound terrific for a 16-year old computer!
I replaced my 1999-2000 era iMac with an eMac around 2004-5 - except it was from the last production modules, a 1.25ghz with what I believe was a quicker drive. I used it up until mid-2009 when I upgraded due to PPC Macs getting completely left behind. The machine then became my kid's first computer and dedicated DVD player (next generation was DVD) - and it served in that capacity until probably 2016 or so. It still runs flawlessly, and I keep thinking about sprucing it up, but I've collected several other PPC era Macs that are ridiculously more powerful (and way too expensive for me to have ever bought when they were new).
One of my favorite things to push these old systems to do is emulation - they do great with it. I'm actually working towards an online "play by chat" Dungeons and Dragons game using one of my PPC G4 towers with a flashed GPU.
I'd love to see you do more with these sort of budget systems - but, sadly, since the pandemic they have skyrocketed in price due to hobbyists. I was lucky to sneak in years before they went up.
Love all of your stuff, I was poking around in your older videos tonight - including ones I hadn't seen yet (which are few, LOL). Thanks, hope to see more soon.
That's cool, I was actually planning on picking something like this up (I think it's the g3 though), to see what it's like, and to maybe mod into a Windows PC
Another great video, as always!
The G4 angle poise iMac would be an interesting mod.
True. It also looks like it might be a bit easier than dealing with the G3, as I'm guessing the main internals are all inside that dome part at the bottom
Dope I love crt
had one... was really good in its day.
Good video, I would suggest disabling the dashboard and completely closing every single app except for the one your using to get the best performance out of it.
nice! I have a g4 powerbook 1.5ghz I was given by my dad. I upgraded the ram from 512mb to 1.5gb and upgraded it from tiger from panther. i still use it because it has adobe photoshop and adobe illustrator. I even have games such as return to castle wolfenstein that's really fun.
My eMac turned into my main SNES and Gameboy emulation station for years. I got rid of it in 2014 and regretted it. That CRT was perfection. I never had luck with USB drives with the eMac. The constant disconnects drove me insane. Firewire drives worked perfectly and installed dvd apps a hell of a lot faster.
What a legend. Gas Panic is such a great song.
Someone else who appreciates it as much as me!!!
3:44 nice cameo XD