This is beautiful,idk why people say Shaq ruins the chemistry..these guys have the best chemistry of al sports shows, they keep it real 100% of the time
Jules Santana usually when arguments happen Shaq has the bad habit of getting personal, which is why people have said he ruined the chemistry. However this is one of the few arguments where Shaq did contribute some good insight in this debate by explaining why LeBron said he needed more help. And Chuck/Kenny also had valid points as well. Overall this maybe the best debate I've seen on TNT.
Because Shaq is STILL a big baby like all of his playing days. Super immature and a much weaker understanding of the game. He thinks it's all about 1 or 2 players "dominating" a game, and who can dominate the other dominants dominate dominate dominate 😂; he's part of the problem with the league these days. Superficial analysis and hella insecure. Bring back C Webb.
Future AMV Facts. LeBron asked to add a backup pg to provide a playmaker and it's blown up into something totally else. Barkley said "it's none of his business" when Ernie said "don't you think he sees what Warriors added with Durant". Like LeBron doesn't have to go up against them. Of course he wants the Cavaliers to be fully equipped to defend their championship.
Tris A. Yeah......Barkley is just looking at the eastern conference, he doesn't look at the finals.......of course the cavs would sweep every east team but to beat the Warriors they need a good team with good benches.....Barkley make it looks like that the teams other than cavs are the nets and Suns
Tris A. It's like when a homeless person ask for money.......what'd you say? Do you say "oh he's so rude, asking for my money"?.......LeBron ask for a backup pg he don't ask for melo or wade.
Future AMV u calling lebron james and the cavs a homeless person? they the defending champs and have the highest payroll in mba history. the gm of the cavs gives lebron everything he wants. it aint like a homeless peraon asking for money its like bill gates asking for money and thats pathetic.
He doesn't know anything about winning one too. Barkley, now, is criticising Lebron for teaming up with Carmelo & Westbrook. He says in this video that he was old when joined Olajuwon. Well, he was younger than Lebron, Westbrook & Carmelo are today. LeBron is 37 & this guy is still hating on him.
@@kundakaps Hmmm. So how did that Laker team with all those old men work out this year? Looks like Chuck was exactly right. If Chuck had even half as much control over any of his team's trading/payroll as Lebitch has had, then you can bet Chuck would have won a championship.
They just swept the Cavs again Maybe Lebron to Golden State is just what this League needs to force them to rethink how they go about trying to achieve something resembling Parity Less teams seems like a decent solution to me
SleepingGiant it's all in some way connected to being LeBrons fault tbh. I'm sorry but it is. The coach can't implement a system that will make the whole team better bc of LeBron being overly ball dominant and not establishing himself in a clear role. Front office can't get better players bc with LeBrons free agency coming up players dont wanna commit long term and not wanna go there. He also practically petitioned to have garbage players become overpaid. The team can't get a rhythm bc he won't share responsibility and ball handling. He refuses to play off ball and trust his teammates.
Mitchell Martinsky you idiot KD ruined the rivalry. This why Bron needs some help. Doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to compete. Shaq was right and Bron was right.
I agree with Shaq on this one. Why would I not want the best on my team? One part of being competitive is continuous improvement like gsw did when they acquired KD.
Part of being competitive is continuous INDIVIDUAL improvement, cashing out and buying all the good players in the league is nowhere near competitive, it’s lazy.
If Kenny wants to say that what KD did would never normally happen then you can't be upset at LeBron for saying we need more to beat them. Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures. I do believe what Shaq said was the most correct in that he (LeBron) should have had that conversation in house but still....KD leaving to go to GS ain't something we see everyday.
How u came up with that conclusion when in FACT KD would NEVER have left for The Warriors in the first place if Lebron never ASSEMBLED that Super Team in The Heatles in the first place so EVERYTHING backfired in Lebron there 👀
Yeah Chuck was out of his mind, you can't say LeBron is the guy who doesn't want to compete when KD who was the #2 player literally went to a back to back finals team
That's weak if you ask me. He's "defending" a point by trying to discredit the other guy. You defend a point by actually addressing it. Shaq is a very weak debater, only knows how to attack the other person.
I thought he was just doing that to diss Chuck but he had a point in there(even if it was partially or mostly to diss Chuck lol), winning 2 championships in a row is a much different kind of difficulty than winning the first one. Your team is now in the spotlight, teams are figuring out ways to beat your team and your system, your own team needs to find the motivation that they had to win the first championship which proves to be a big mental hurdle, ect. Most of the time what a championship team does to win the first time(same set of players same formula) won't be enough next time around.
It was a good enough reason, to tell him he knows nothing about winning on the big stage Charles Barkley is hater. KD, KG. KN, PP they all are haters, knowing that LBJ is still playing in the NBA and winning !!
Andy M it's not being childish. It's knowing what you need to get it done again. Cleveland barely beat gs last year and now gs added kd. I love my cavs but it's gonna be near impossible to beat them without a legit playmaker coming off the bench.
He has enough tools to win. He proved that last night. How much more does he need? Take what you got and go get that chip. That's how you get that GOAT title.
I love when they debate especially the part where Shaq told Charles you know nothing about going back to back straight cricket sounds from his Corner after that statement😂😂😂😂
Shaq talks about championship because it's a qualifying reference for him to speak from. It's no different than a plumber saying he is licensed or a teacher saying they have certification.
He's saying to win another championship with a bunch of overpaid role player against the same team you narrowly beat + 2nd best player in world.... hmm.. he needs more? I'd say yes. More than Irving who had said numerous times he didn't like being "son'd" and Kevin love who struggle to stay out of a bodycast. He needs help with his small roster and budget dennis rodman center. Stupidly overpaid roster.
KillaKam lol they trailed 3-1.. iggy got injured. and he knew this time kyrie was going out of cle. thats why this time this year, they got less roster compared to last year. they even struggle witth the pacers, but thanks to ref.they won that series! s
@@melvinhhcp3615 miami missed the playoffs the year before The warriors had 73 wins and we're the Champions the season before Miami had to go through san Antonio with Tim duncan tony parker and manu Ginòbili and kawhi leonard And boston with Kevin garnett paul pierce ray allen and rajon random And Kevin Durant russell westbrook and James harden So there was competition KD joined the team that beat him and had 73-9 record and considered the best team ever Lebron joined miami after they missed the playoffs and came from Cleveland when he was playing with no all stars
Maybe that's why Charles Barkley never made it back to the finals after losing in 6 lol. You always gotta look to get better every season. And by better I mean With your role players.
Tombe Tombe Barkley was a baller...those suns were in a tough western conference and he took them to the finals and his stats in those finals were really impressive....just Jordan was more impressive
Shaq was right here. It's not about Lebron not wanting to compete. The fact that he knows what they are lacking against GSW is the proof that he is competitive. Sometimes you have to use your head, not your ego.
So when him and his team stroll through that WEAK EAST then EVERYTHING is all good but when it comes to the Finals as in 1 series then "he has no help" 😂🤣 #LeHelp 🤧
I really like these guys and this show! It’s always fun. A little heat from time to time is alright, juuuust, as long as they make-up and keep doing good work.
Im not lying I've laughed about five times in a row now where it hurts... U have to find the little details that make that moment where Chuck got frustrated at Shaq even more funny. Like Chuck's facial features changed dramatically as soon as Shaq said it takes more to win a championship. Chuck's eyebrows and eyes change, and then when Shaq says you know nothing about back to back, Chuck was gonna say something then just stopped, and also Kenny's slightly surprised and scared like a little kid when Chuck raised his voice is all hilarious lol
That make took Jordan to 6 games and Jordan had to average 40ppg to win the series. Don’t act like Chuck is some loser who never had a chance. He just wasn’t a punk like lebron
so every time shaq always pulls the "I got rings" card on chuck, chuck should tell him straight to his face that he didn't win those championships, role players did.
Noone is in wrong here, but at some point I think that LeBron did a biggest mistake by looking to a media to say that much about problems in Cleveland. Almost the same thing is going on in Chicago around Wade, Butler, and later they triggered Rondo to put a finish line on the top. When you have any kind of obstacle that can be avoided only by yourself and people around you, should never give a single hope to the oponents that your team have problems, 'couse they will take advantage on you and look forward to crush you, and just that, exactly that, LeBron did by explaining everything to the media in a way that looked to us as a whining and compaining..
:47 - 1:03 I'd been searching for the episode where chuck had said this. God bless who uploaded this. I remember it getting to the point where James basically wanted to just roll past everyone with no close scores. He has a rep now for only wanting to play on teams with at least 2 or 3 starting automatic hall of famers. Special shot out to magic, bird, Jordan, kobe. Yall made teams great and didn't jump ship the first losing season. Real champs.
Both have great points. Hakeem for example he didnt really have a legit side kick superstar in the first championship and they struggled in game 7 against the Knicks even though he was killing Patrick Ewing and handling his duties as the big man and leader. Rockets wisely went out and got Clyde Drexler who was lil past it but still could put up great production. Cavs after they won didnt make any improvements last year while the Warriors got Kevin frickin Durant. In order to have a dynasty u need to constantly improve to make it much easier especially with how sub par the Cavs coach is.
All he wants is a backup point guard, without that they are toast vs the Warriors...... 5'9 Kay Felder supposed to guard 6'7 Shaun Livingston? Yup, you're right Chuck, LeBron is just greedy he should "compete" harder
Nastradamus Don't see how that is so hard to get. Barkley straight up said it was none of his business what the Warriors did like Cavaliers won't most likely have to play them again. Why would he not want his team at it's best?
they really need a PG that's the truth, the problem with that is instead of talking things privately with the team he chose to play his bad mouthing game to the media as if the Cavs management hasn't given him all his demands, as if the Cavs is not on the top of payroll.
the fact people really expected lebron to win against that gsw team😂😂. Talkin bout "he just won a chip" ok so? Its this season not last season and if you hadnt noticed chuck in that offseason something that changed the whole nba landscape forever happened that stacked the deck for one team.
Kenny’s arguments made no sense. LeBron doesn’t have a right to look at that KD added warrior team and correctly deduce that the cavs don’t have near enough fire power and say they need better players, because what kd did was unheard of and never done before? What?
Charles Barley is a hypocrite. He argues that teaming up Olajuwon dothere was when he was out of his prime yet he is still criticising Lebron, at 36, for teaming up with a player everyone says can't win in Westbrook & old Carmelo. It's just jealousy now.
Shaq is right on this one, because he is the only person in the room who can look at the situation in Lebron's perspective as a defending champ, but this is just for an entertainment and 99.99999% of the viewers have not been in their situation, so let Charles talk, he represents more of our opinion, don't be on TV and talking about punching somebody's face making it all uncomfortable dude...
Kenny and Charles making absolutely no sense. Like not even a little. “He’s being greedy, he’s the best player in the world, you have no right to ask for anyone else, you got Kyle korver, jr smith, and Iman shumpert😂😂.” Meanwhile the 70 win, three all stars, champs two seasons prior, and finals mvp iggy warriors, just added the second best player in the world, arguably a top 10-15 player all time, while giving up no one.”
Lebron facilitator/scorer Kyrie scorer Love post defense/3pt shooter They needed someone who could get their own bucket consistently when lebron and Kyrie not on the floor.
I get tired of Shaq aleays throwing rings in Charles face. Charles is not the only HOF player without a championship, but Shaq acts like he didn't have Kobe,Wade, Fox, Horry etc.
But that's his point that shaq is trying to make. You need more, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ADD A 7FT POINT GUARD with 2 OF THE TOP 5 SHOOTERS OF ALL TIME AND A DEBATABLY TOP 7 DEFENDER OF ALL TIME
People defending LBJ don't get something very simple. He might want more, which is understandable given that GSW were able to add Durant BUT, and that's a big BUT, you can't act like an eff spoiled kid and expected people to comply and make everything you want happen like magic. The CAVS basically accepted everything he demanded so far, paying Thompson, JR Smith, everyone that LBJ blessed, they paid, they even got Korver for a player they weren't even playing and now you dare to complain and put that out to the media? Are you kidding me? Only an eff spoiled kid would expect people to be sorry for him and okay with his demands. I'm pretty sure the team is trying to get more, like any other team, even more so the team with the highest payroll, it's quite unreasonable to on top of that make such comments to the media to create this situation and act all high and mighty.
theSUBVERSIVE he doesn't expect anyone to be sorry for him he was frustrated with losing cuz their bench is not as good as they should be and have no PG
darkgable85 , Shaq's statement was nonsensical. Shaq didn't put his Lakers teams together. Shaq doesn't know squat about winning back to back championships when it comes to getting the right players - The Lakers team staff did, and the Heat team staff did. Shaq's contribution was milking the league's standing order for refs to allow him to plow into defenders so he could get close enough to the basket to score. Shaq was never the best player in the league, not one year of his career. It's not entirely his fault, as he didn't have to develop skill with the refs letting him just bull his way to the hoop. But the fact remains that other than improving his passing skills a little, from Shaq's rookie year to the "peak" of his career there isn't a single area of his game where he actually improved in skill. Instead, he became lazier and lazier on defense and rebounding over the course of his career. Shaq's legacy is a product of the league having very little integrity and pandering to its biggest marketing assets, and has very little to do with any actual achievement on Shaq's part.
Welp now you see why he was asking for more help.. he dont care about the regular season he knew he was getting out of the ecf... he knew they BARELY beat the warriors with an injured steph curry
Apart from on the Heat, LeBrons teams have always been the underdogs. At least Charles is consistent with great players going to the best teams to win (KD).
@@DemonKing-oi4jd in 2014 the San Antonio Spurs was just as stacked and they were favored to win over the Heat. 2012 Oklahoma had Russell, Harden, and Kevin Durant. 'Nuff said.
@@faulknerzzx U can't play in the Finals unless you progress through your conference first. That East was The Weak EAST that's WHY he went to many Finals just to take more L's and 🧹...
Shaq was right by far bc winning back to back titles is a difficult task bc teams are gonna play hard at the champs from repeating, heat won back to back titles bt they needed to add best players and they added ray Allen and lakers 2009-10 they added ron artest , nothing gets easy so it takes more to repeat and especially when cavs just won and warriors added KD after cavs won and Ernie was right Bc Lebron knows his team isn’t on warriors level bc the addition of KD and cavs didn’t have a play maker guard when Kyrie and lebron on the bench when they left delly go so chuck needs to get off Lebrons case bt I kinda see where he’s coming from bt man
When I want to know more about grit and going at it, I'll listen to Chuck. When I want to hear what winning is like, I'd prefer to listen to the most dominant dude in the modern era. Look where the Cavs are without 2 of those guys
This is beautiful,idk why people say Shaq ruins the chemistry..these guys have the best chemistry of al sports shows, they keep it real 100% of the time
Jules Santana because they are sensitive lol men argue over sports, like women argue over their hobbies.
Jules Santana AGREED
Jules Santana usually when arguments happen Shaq has the bad habit of getting personal, which is why people have said he ruined the chemistry. However this is one of the few arguments where Shaq did contribute some good insight in this debate by explaining why LeBron said he needed more help. And Chuck/Kenny also had valid points as well.
Overall this maybe the best debate I've seen on TNT.
Because Shaq is STILL a big baby like all of his playing days. Super immature and a much weaker understanding of the game. He thinks it's all about 1 or 2 players "dominating" a game, and who can dominate the other dominants dominate dominate dominate 😂; he's part of the problem with the league these days. Superficial analysis and hella insecure.
Bring back C Webb.
Shaq doesn't like Charles he keep throwing jabs at him not winning
Doesn't want to compete.......Meanwhile the Warriors who have a 73-9 record last year got KD, talk about competing
Future AMV true 😭😂😂
Future AMV Facts. LeBron asked to add a backup pg to provide a playmaker and it's blown up into something totally else. Barkley said "it's none of his business" when Ernie said "don't you think he sees what Warriors added with Durant". Like LeBron doesn't have to go up against them. Of course he wants the Cavaliers to be fully equipped to defend their championship.
Tris A. Yeah......Barkley is just looking at the eastern conference, he doesn't look at the finals.......of course the cavs would sweep every east team but to beat the Warriors they need a good team with good benches.....Barkley make it looks like that the teams other than cavs are the nets and Suns
Tris A. It's like when a homeless person ask for money.......what'd you say? Do you say "oh he's so rude, asking for my money"?.......LeBron ask for a backup pg he don't ask for melo or wade.
Future AMV u calling lebron james and the cavs a homeless person? they the defending champs and have the highest payroll in mba history. the gm of the cavs gives lebron everything he wants. it aint like a homeless peraon asking for money its like bill gates asking for money and thats pathetic.
“You don’t know anything about going back to back” 😂😂😂😂
He doesn't know anything about winning one too.
Barkley, now, is criticising Lebron for teaming up with Carmelo & Westbrook.
He says in this video that he was old when joined Olajuwon.
Well, he was younger than Lebron, Westbrook & Carmelo are today.
LeBron is 37 & this guy is still hating on him.
@@kundakaps complete jealousy, same as paul pierce
@@impogi832 nah Chuck is speaking facts its just LeBron is getting sensitive about this cuz he got hit in the head
@@kundakaps Hmmm. So how did that Laker team with all those old men work out this year? Looks like Chuck was exactly right. If Chuck had even half as much control over any of his team's trading/payroll as Lebitch has had, then you can bet Chuck would have won a championship.
Chuck is even more correct now. Lol.
"THEY JUST WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP!!!" 😂
Manuel Serna 😅😅😅😅😅😅
And they just lost too so like Shaq said they need better players.
Presbian116 Tier1 ✔
Show Genius LEBRON NEEDED MIAMI
Shaq was wrong on this one
Turns out Shaq and Lebron were right. The Cavs needed another player.
Jason so. Why would he want to lose another finals. Kevin Durant is a major upgrade from Harrison Barnes
Or...... it turns out they needed to get younger players, who are in a way subjectively gonna get better then the old washed up players...
Constantine A no they were wrong they needed about 5 new players lol
They just swept the Cavs again
Maybe Lebron to Golden State is just what this League needs to force them to rethink how they go about trying to achieve something resembling Parity
Less teams seems like a decent solution to me
SleepingGiant it's all in some way connected to being LeBrons fault tbh. I'm sorry but it is.
The coach can't implement a system that will make the whole team better bc of LeBron being overly ball dominant and not establishing himself in a clear role.
Front office can't get better players bc with LeBrons free agency coming up players dont wanna commit long term and not wanna go there. He also practically petitioned to have garbage players become overpaid.
The team can't get a rhythm bc he won't share responsibility and ball handling. He refuses to play off ball and trust his teammates.
This is why LeBron wanted help...poor performance from the bench...This conversation was irrelevant SHAQ was right
he has a good team they just need to play better
Mitchell Martinsky they could've beat the Warriors
they had a chance but they lost
Mitchell Martinsky you idiot KD ruined the rivalry. This why Bron needs some help. Doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to compete. Shaq was right and Bron was right.
@Andy's evil twin who are you? 😂😂 tf
That day I understood that once u play on the same team as shaq this man has ur back forever🤟🏿
I agree with Shaq on this one. Why would I not want the best on my team? One part of being competitive is continuous improvement like gsw did when they acquired KD.
The main part of being competitive is wanting to beat the best, not play with them.
@@BijinMCMXC 😭😭😭 that comment had me dying thank u that made my day
KD joinin Warriors was not a competitive move
people are hypocritical we always pick the best if we are able to...
Part of being competitive is continuous INDIVIDUAL improvement, cashing out and buying all the good players in the league is nowhere near competitive, it’s lazy.
If Kenny wants to say that what KD did would never normally happen then you can't be upset at LeBron for saying we need more to beat them. Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures. I do believe what Shaq said was the most correct in that he (LeBron) should have had that conversation in house but still....KD leaving to go to GS ain't something we see everyday.
Melvin Taylor II You put this out perfectly!!!! Thank you.
How u came up with that conclusion when in FACT KD would NEVER have left for The Warriors in the first place if Lebron never ASSEMBLED that Super Team in The Heatles in the first place so EVERYTHING backfired in Lebron there 👀
Yeah Chuck was out of his mind, you can't say LeBron is the guy who doesn't want to compete when KD who was the #2 player literally went to a back to back finals team
I gotcha. I would love to have a birthday party 😮😮😅
100%
Yo one thing about Shaq if he played with you. He always had your back 💯
🎯🎯🎯
That’s not what Kobe said.
Shaq and LeFraud are members of Freemasons and Illumanati. Ofc he has his back. Or loses everything!!!
Wake tf up!
Even when he's wrong doesn't make ir right.
Shaq sensitive as a kid!
I love the way Shaq drops. “You know nothing bout going back to back” hahaha, my man dropped that bomb on chucks head for no reason
Everytime he say something to chuckqbout a ring or championship chuck gets quiet n listen
That's weak if you ask me. He's "defending" a point by trying to discredit the other guy. You defend a point by actually addressing it. Shaq is a very weak debater, only knows how to attack the other person.
I thought he was just doing that to diss Chuck but he had a point in there(even if it was partially or mostly to diss Chuck lol), winning 2 championships in a row is a much different kind of difficulty than winning the first one. Your team is now in the spotlight, teams are figuring out ways to beat your team and your system, your own team needs to find the motivation that they had to win the first championship which proves to be a big mental hurdle, ect. Most of the time what a championship team does to win the first time(same set of players same formula) won't be enough next time around.
@@dsanzo I strongly agree with you. It's called deflection.
It was a good enough reason, to tell him he knows nothing about winning on the big stage Charles Barkley is hater. KD, KG. KN, PP they all are haters, knowing that LBJ is still playing in the NBA and winning !!
whenever shaq is losing an argument to charles, he just brings up the fact that he's won championships. what a child.
Andy M it's not being childish. It's knowing what you need to get it done again. Cleveland barely beat gs last year and now gs added kd. I love my cavs but it's gonna be near impossible to beat them without a legit playmaker coming off the bench.
Andy, you're an idiot
racefan you seem just as childish as shaq was in the argument.
he has a point though. in order to repeat you have to get better
He has enough tools to win. He proved that last night. How much more does he need? Take what you got and go get that chip. That's how you get that GOAT title.
Wow Kenny!!! You added Clyde Drexler to your championship team and you have the nerve to say that!
Kenny forgot after they won the championship they added Clyde Drexler, so kenny is being a hypocrite.
5️⃣ months later & the truth ain’t change 💯💯
they traded for clyde during the season because they wasnt doing to good during the season
Most older players are. That's why I don't respect any of them besides the ones not in the media (other than Shaq)
Kenny is a hater man , talking non sense on Lebron every time
Clyde was awful for most of the season, hakeem basically carried the rockets back to back anyways
Kevin Durant has all the best players on his team.
Lebron had that in 2012. Foh
@@MrAVGNdude No.
Without Lebron that ain't a finals team
Without KD, GS were champions.
@@vishnuprakash81 facts
@jeff jordan Lies. He got the rebound. That got Ray Allen the 3. Without that rebound, San Antonio wins that series.
@@vishnuprakash81 big facts finally someone being smart
Charles Barkley yelling they just won a championship lol
Ahaha
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
A 73 win team with cap room to to sign a max free agent? Talk about good management.
apark02 Agree!
@a they did for everyone lol
@a that's how it works. When you're good you're good
No. Not quite. GS got rid of 7 players in order to sign KD. So logistically speaking, the Warriors were not the exact same 73 win team.
@@melvinhhcp3615 They got better.
It’s funny hearing them complain about how much help Lebron needs when the warriors added Kevin Durant just to beat this man!
So Lebron played alone on that Cavs team and avg 30 and lost is that u saying 🤣
Kenny always on barkleys side😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Not always
Not always actually
I love when they debate especially the part where Shaq told Charles you know nothing about going back to back straight cricket sounds from his Corner after that statement😂😂😂😂
Shaq talks about championship because it's a qualifying reference for him to speak from. It's no different than a plumber saying he is licensed or a teacher saying they have certification.
I mean logically that makes sense
"They just won the championship!!! Whaddaya mean it takes more!?!?!?!?"
He's saying to win another championship with a bunch of overpaid role player against the same team you narrowly beat + 2nd best player in world.... hmm.. he needs more? I'd say yes. More than Irving who had said numerous times he didn't like being "son'd" and Kevin love who struggle to stay out of a bodycast. He needs help with his small roster and budget dennis rodman center. Stupidly overpaid roster.
wah wah wah! thats all i see.
coz lebron knew they were just lucky they won that championship.and to win back to back take more than just the same roster.
Ken Ainsley There's no such thing as luck
KillaKam lol they trailed 3-1.. iggy got injured. and he knew this time kyrie was going out of cle. thats why this time this year, they got less roster compared to last year. they even struggle witth the pacers, but thanks to ref.they won that series! s
I feel like KD joining Goldenstate was probably what caused a lot of this commotion indirectly
That points to Bron joining Miami with Wade & Bosh.
@@melvinhhcp3615 miami missed the playoffs the year before
The warriors had 73 wins and we're the Champions the season before
Miami had to go through san Antonio with Tim duncan tony parker and manu Ginòbili and kawhi leonard
And boston with Kevin garnett paul pierce ray allen and rajon random
And Kevin Durant russell westbrook and James harden
So there was competition
KD joined the team that beat him and had 73-9 record and considered the best team ever
Lebron joined miami after they missed the playoffs and came from Cleveland when he was playing with no all stars
@@laker_fanatic3985 thank u 🙄😅
Lebron basically is the blame for kd going to gsw.
@@themambaking8399 how
YES shaq you the man, understanding that in order to compete at this stage is going to take a bit more.
2:53 this got me dying🤣
The Charles aint got no rings argument is getting old fr Bc everyone knew he was great in his prime but he never had a teammate to help him win
Nah he was trash
Same with Reggie Miller
"First off you know nothing about going back to back"😭😅😂 Shaq shuts him down every time
Shaq just sensitive like a kid 🤣
Maybe that's why Charles Barkley never made it back to the finals after losing in 6 lol. You always gotta look to get better every season. And by better I mean With your role players.
Tombe Tombe Barkley was a baller...those suns were in a tough western conference and he took them to the finals and his stats in those finals were really impressive....just Jordan was more impressive
Emanuel Alvarez And? So basically you give him credit for losing lol
insight001 So he doesn"t get credit for reaching the finals and competing because he didnt end up with a ring. I hate these arbitrary standards
Sam Yes, based on how they criticize Lebron. He's been to 7-8 finals straight, so again fuvk Barkley 😂
insight001 😂✔
Shaq was right here. It's not about Lebron not wanting to compete. The fact that he knows what they are lacking against GSW is the proof that he is competitive. Sometimes you have to use your head, not your ego.
So when him and his team stroll through that WEAK EAST then EVERYTHING is all good but when it comes to the Finals as in 1 series then "he has no help" 😂🤣
#LeHelp 🤧
I really like these guys and this show! It’s always fun. A little heat from time to time is alright, juuuust, as long as they make-up and keep doing good work.
Shaq: Does he need all the best players on his team to win? Yes 😂😂😂😂
"good players"
Shaq was right.."You don't know nothing about going back to back"
Im not lying I've laughed about five times in a row now where it hurts... U have to find the little details that make that moment where Chuck got frustrated at Shaq even more funny. Like Chuck's facial features changed dramatically as soon as Shaq said it takes more to win a championship. Chuck's eyebrows and eyes change, and then when Shaq says you know nothing about back to back, Chuck was gonna say something then just stopped, and also Kenny's slightly surprised and scared like a little kid when Chuck raised his voice is all hilarious lol
Now we know why Chuck don't have a ring. 😂😂😂
That make took Jordan to 6 games and Jordan had to average 40ppg to win the series.
Don’t act like Chuck is some loser who never had a chance. He just wasn’t a punk like lebron
There was something fundamentally wrong this whole time. Kyrie never wanted to play with LeBron to begin with.
Bec Lebron was full of himself and took all the glory and undermined Kyrie quality as the best scorer on the team and Clutch maker.
@@Mercurial.how well Kyrie do with the Celtics and nets 😭
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How well LeBron do without ALL his created Super Teams 👀 ♟️
And yet with an ALL TIME Final L's record for MVP's in NBA HISTORY 😩
@@Mercurial. that’s actually jerry west
@@Mercurial. and better than Kyrie 😭
I love the Chuckster! Talks the truth.
Kenny said, that doesn't happen, but Durant was on the Warriors. It happened!!
“It takes more than that to win a championship to-
“THEY JUST WON A CHAMPIONSHIP!”
😂
Looking back at this crazy thing is he said we needed another playmaker a PG and people acted like he said he needed another superstar.
Kyrie isn’t a playmaker????
I think Shaq makes a fair, solid point though
He is and Chuck/Kenny are ignorant.
Shaq was actually right here. you barely win a game 7 and the other team adds KD you need to upgrade the roster if you plan on repeating as champions.
👍
He was only right about Chuck playing with a "big 4".. Chuck sounds hypocritical here.
@@s.tavares3257 they were way past their prime
when I agree with Charles Barkley my favorite part Shaq o Neil about and Charles Barkley said they just won a championship!!
Inside the NBA crew is the best...love these guys
Meanwhile the Spurs is killing these superteams with D-league players and 1 super star
tyranitarxd yea they was home watching the playoffs too.lol
@@corrydonaldson5227 that's cause zaza 2 stepped kawahii
so every time shaq always pulls the "I got rings" card on chuck, chuck should tell him straight to his face that he didn't win those championships, role players did.
Noone is in wrong here, but at some point I think that LeBron did a biggest mistake by looking to a media to say that much about problems in Cleveland. Almost the same thing is going on in Chicago around Wade, Butler, and later they triggered Rondo to put a finish line on the top. When you have any kind of obstacle that can be avoided only by yourself and people around you, should never give a single hope to the oponents that your team have problems, 'couse they will take advantage on you and look forward to crush you, and just that, exactly that, LeBron did by explaining everything to the media in a way that looked to us as a whining and compaining..
These old heads haven’t got a clue and still
Living in there day. Shaq by far the smartest man on that desk of ex players (excluding Ernie)
this was actually entertaining af. great points
:47 - 1:03 I'd been searching for the episode where chuck had said this. God bless who uploaded this. I remember it getting to the point where James basically wanted to just roll past everyone with no close scores. He has a rep now for only wanting to play on teams with at least 2 or 3 starting automatic hall of famers. Special shot out to magic, bird, Jordan, kobe. Yall made teams great and didn't jump ship the first losing season. Real champs.
Chuck was right.. Shaq was wrong for that jab
wrong. Shaq was right.
I agree with shaq on top of that they haven't replace delly
lol @ replacing delay.
I know people don't agree but Della played a huge role in Cleveland winning two games back in 2015.
Shaq a legend for this
Shaq a crying sensitive baby!
Both have great points. Hakeem for example he didnt really have a legit side kick superstar in the first championship and they struggled in game 7 against the Knicks even though he was killing Patrick Ewing and handling his duties as the big man and leader. Rockets wisely went out and got Clyde Drexler who was lil past it but still could put up great production. Cavs after they won didnt make any improvements last year while the Warriors got Kevin frickin Durant. In order to have a dynasty u need to constantly improve to make it much easier especially with how sub par the Cavs coach is.
All he wants is a backup point guard, without that they are toast vs the Warriors...... 5'9 Kay Felder supposed to guard 6'7 Shaun Livingston? Yup, you're right Chuck, LeBron is just greedy he should "compete" harder
Nastradamus Don't see how that is so hard to get. Barkley straight up said it was none of his business what the Warriors did like Cavaliers won't most likely have to play them again. Why would he not want his team at it's best?
they really need a PG that's the truth, the problem with that is instead of talking things privately with the team he chose to play his bad mouthing game to the media as if the Cavs management hasn't given him all his demands, as if the Cavs is not on the top of payroll.
Yung Mans and now he got Deron Williams
Carly Casseus What a mistake that was lol...
Deadpool They still lost the finals in five games
Who's here for frozen Shaq
I’m here in 2022 because these guys are more entertaining than the actual games
the fact people really expected lebron to win against that gsw team😂😂. Talkin bout "he just won a chip" ok so? Its this season not last season and if you hadnt noticed chuck in that offseason something that changed the whole nba landscape forever happened that stacked the deck for one team.
My thing is...WHY ARE CHUCK AND KENNY ACTING LIKE THE WARRIORS DIDNT JUST ADD KD?!?!?!?!
And Kevin love was averageing 9 POINTS
kenny sounds biased and this is nutty.
Kenny’s arguments made no sense. LeBron doesn’t have a right to look at that KD added warrior team and correctly deduce that the cavs don’t have near enough fire power and say they need better players, because what kd did was unheard of and never done before? What?
Charles Barley is a hypocrite.
He argues that teaming up Olajuwon dothere was when he was out of his prime yet he is still criticising Lebron, at 36, for teaming up with a player everyone says can't win in Westbrook & old Carmelo.
It's just jealousy now.
2021 and this is still relevant
Shaq is right on this one, because he is the only person in the room who can look at the situation in Lebron's perspective as a defending champ, but this is just for an entertainment and 99.99999% of the viewers have not been in their situation, so let Charles talk, he represents more of our opinion, don't be on TV and talking about punching somebody's face making it all uncomfortable dude...
Wrong video
Barkley protecting a Jordan legacy.
They ain’t nothing to protect MJ the clear goat
Kenny and Charles making absolutely no sense. Like not even a little. “He’s being greedy, he’s the best player in the world, you have no right to ask for anyone else, you got Kyle korver, jr smith, and Iman shumpert😂😂.” Meanwhile the 70 win, three all stars, champs two seasons prior, and finals mvp iggy warriors, just added the second best player in the world, arguably a top 10-15 player all time, while giving up no one.”
Lebron facilitator/scorer
Kyrie scorer
Love post defense/3pt shooter
They needed someone who could get their own bucket consistently when lebron and Kyrie not on the floor.
Exactly.
Unfortunately as a Cavs fan, Shaq and Ernie were correct the Cavs had to be very loaded against the Golden State Warriors. Chuck and Kenny were wrong
M Stevens As a Cavs fan, you're wrong. Do you know the definition of a loaded team? Please explain how they were loaded?
Bella Rose what team are you asking for? Golden State was stacked to the top.
So a LeBron team could be LOADED vs that WEAK EAST but it wasn't inuff vs the Warriors 👀
#LeHypocrite 😂
I get tired of Shaq aleays throwing rings in Charles face. Charles is not the only HOF player without a championship, but Shaq acts like he didn't have Kobe,Wade, Fox, Horry etc.
Sherman Keith and shaq was the number 1 option and best player on those teams and can relate to LeBron
so what if he had them, was Charles playing by his self?
Sherman Keith out of those rings he won the 3 he won with L.A. he was the best player won finals MVP 3 times
Especially wade that 4th was handed to shaq he was washed up he didnt even score 20 point's in that finals so yea especially dwade
But that's his point that shaq is trying to make. You need more, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ADD A 7FT POINT GUARD with 2 OF THE TOP 5 SHOOTERS OF ALL TIME AND A DEBATABLY TOP 7 DEFENDER OF ALL TIME
First Of You Don't Know Anything About Going Back To Back 🤣
Kevin love is really really overrated... his number in the Cavs are so low. Stop it !
AGREED.
Just like Bosh
Chuck is spot on. He usually is, but this is the cherry on the cake of his rightness.
People defending LBJ don't get something very simple. He might want more, which is understandable given that GSW were able to add Durant BUT, and that's a big BUT, you can't act like an eff spoiled kid and expected people to comply and make everything you want happen like magic.
The CAVS basically accepted everything he demanded so far, paying Thompson, JR Smith, everyone that LBJ blessed, they paid, they even got Korver for a player they weren't even playing and now you dare to complain and put that out to the media? Are you kidding me?
Only an eff spoiled kid would expect people to be sorry for him and okay with his demands. I'm pretty sure the team is trying to get more, like any other team, even more so the team with the highest payroll, it's quite unreasonable to on top of that make such comments to the media to create this situation and act all high and mighty.
theSUBVERSIVE he doesn't expect anyone to be sorry for him he was frustrated with losing cuz their bench is not as good as they should be and have no PG
theSUBVERSIVE well he got more so :)
theSUBVERSIVE and that's exactly what Shaq was saying. LeBron had a right to be upset but he shouldn't have gone to the media.
I love when Shaq and Charles argue they have the best arguments.
Kenny's laugh at 2:55 LOL
Come on Barkley MJ had HOF and MJ hit his teammates and put them DOWN. Come on men
Shaq’s points are off track to what Charles is trying to say. Then he flashes his rings to validate whatever he’s saying. How frustrating.
Shaq was right tho lolololo
Chuck has a Huge point
Shaq let them speak but they interrupted him.
Jordan won that 6 championships he had more help then James .
FOH
He developed that help. He didn’t purchase it.
Chuck 100% right and why did shaq get so defensive lol, "you know nothing about going back to back"
Justin Allain Shaq was the best player when he won with the Lakers he was wrong on this topic though
East Atlanta Santa yea that was totally uncalled for
I disagree.....shaq was right...charles never won a ring so he wouldn't understand
El Chapo Shaq actually won 3 rings back to back and was the best player on that Lakers team at that time.
darkgable85 , Shaq's statement was nonsensical. Shaq didn't put his Lakers teams together. Shaq doesn't know squat about winning back to back championships when it comes to getting the right players - The Lakers team staff did, and the Heat team staff did. Shaq's contribution was milking the league's standing order for refs to allow him to plow into defenders so he could get close enough to the basket to score. Shaq was never the best player in the league, not one year of his career. It's not entirely his fault, as he didn't have to develop skill with the refs letting him just bull his way to the hoop. But the fact remains that other than improving his passing skills a little, from Shaq's rookie year to the "peak" of his career there isn't a single area of his game where he actually improved in skill. Instead, he became lazier and lazier on defense and rebounding over the course of his career. Shaq's legacy is a product of the league having very little integrity and pandering to its biggest marketing assets, and has very little to do with any actual achievement on Shaq's part.
2:57 FATALITY😂😂😂😭😭😭😭
Shaq so right he knows what he talking about
Just lied on national TV!
Chuck is right.
Jack Cass yeah shaq is right
Jack Cass OP ? Shaq is always right 😂
Welp now you see why he was asking for more help.. he dont care about the regular season he knew he was getting out of the ecf... he knew they BARELY beat the warriors with an injured steph curry
AND NOW ADDS KD THE BEST PURE SCORER IN THE LEAGUE 🤦🏽♂️ lebron got the highest IQ he knew what was going on
Now u see what going now in the final
I wouldn't be surprised if Rondo makes a move to the Cavs.
Lebron might have needed to upgrade that Mercedes when you’re racing a fighter jet
exactly. I wish you were on the panel then, this is a great analogy.
Shaq has a point tbh, you really expect a 5’7 guy to guard a 6’7 guy ? Smh that won’t work, he’ll only get exposed
Apart from on the Heat, LeBrons teams have always been the underdogs. At least Charles is consistent with great players going to the best teams to win (KD).
Even on the Heat, Lebron's team was the underdog in 2014 and MAYBE 2012.
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How can the GOAT be the underdog when he is on a stacked team 😂?
Sounds like he isn't as great as people make him out to be honestly...
@@DemonKing-oi4jd in 2014 the San Antonio Spurs was just as stacked and they were favored to win over the Heat. 2012 Oklahoma had Russell, Harden, and Kevin Durant. 'Nuff said.
@@PresbianTier and OKC was also favored to win
Chuck was wild he said “does lebron need all the good players” then proceeded to make “JR smith Iman shumpert, and Kyle Korver”😂
In that Weak East that's really good players 🤣
@@Mercurial.Not in the finals against KD warriors
@@faulknerzzx
U can't play in the Finals unless you progress through your conference first.
That East was The Weak EAST that's WHY he went to many Finals just to take more L's and 🧹...
@@Mercurial. Oh i responded not knowing you're just another hater with no life. My bad man, hope you're life gets better 😂
@@faulknerzzxgrow up bozo
“First of all you know nothing about going back to back i do and kenny do”😂😂😂😂
Aged with milk kyrie Irving and Kevin love
Like milk* aged like milk*
Who’s here from the future
Shaq was right by far bc winning back to back titles is a difficult task bc teams are gonna play hard at the champs from repeating, heat won back to back titles bt they needed to add best players and they added ray Allen and lakers 2009-10 they added ron artest , nothing gets easy so it takes more to repeat and especially when cavs just won and warriors added KD after cavs won and Ernie was right Bc Lebron knows his team isn’t on warriors level bc the addition of KD and cavs didn’t have a play maker guard when Kyrie and lebron on the bench when they left delly go so chuck needs to get off Lebrons case bt I kinda see where he’s coming from bt man
every year is different
its normal to want more every year
cause other teams are bringing more every year...
Chuck is right as usual
Such a great, nuanced point by Kenny.
Barkley's comment make sense period...
actually no... not against that g state team
What was Kenny talking about 😂
Who knows
kenny smith is a fking idiot always trying to sound smart
@@beatss8286 i thought i was the only one who noticed that
Shaq is Right ,Basketball is a Team game not a individual even the best player need the best players to win the NBA championship.
I m 50 50 on this one but glad Kenny the jet has a cool head
"You know nothing about going back to back" - Yeah, because Shaq was the GM who put his teams together. /s
When I want to know more about grit and going at it, I'll listen to Chuck. When I want to hear what winning is like, I'd prefer to listen to the most dominant dude in the modern era. Look where the Cavs are without 2 of those guys
Chuck @1.11 roasting kenny “he cheat off my desk that’s why he’s successful today” 😂😂😂