When someone says a conversation would've been better without being approached with skepticism, you know they are either lying, not thinking critically themselves, or both.
I don't think Jon has paid ANY attention to any explanation he is ever given on any of these atheist call-in shows. What I would REALLY like to see is after something is explained to a caller like Jon as to why his claim is wholly unsupported ( and they always are ) DEMAND he steelmans the explanation he has been given, otherwise the conversation is over. This is something I have done lately in some on-line theist/atheist debate forums. If my interlocutor shows ANY signs of not understanding or ignoring anything to explain to him, I ask him to steelman what I have explained to them. And then let the tap-dance begin. I have never ONCE had a theist interlocutor take me up on this request. Ever.
Yes! I'd love to see Jon have to do this. He never learns anything, and I don't think he really listens. If they give him more time, make him put more effort into his responses. He either makes the effort, or he's done.
@@duskyrose9243 Exactly. He pays ZERO attention what's been explained to him. And after any of these explanations stops him dead in tracks he does what 99%of the theist callers do in this situation: They go onto something else. Dillahunty and a few other like Forrest are good at doing this. They hold the caller's feet to the fire and often do ask for a steelman. And when they does, it never happens either..
As a teacher I hear a fair bit of bad excuses for bad behaviour. One of my favourites are: -Hey! You are not allowed to ride kickbikes without a helmet! - But it's not my kickbike! -Wah...?
“Jon” clearly spends all his time in extreme right wing conspiracy theory circles and then he keeps calling every call-in show trying to pass on the nonsense he has heard from his peers last week. The question is why. He doesn’t want to have an honest discussion. He isn’t convincing anybody. Can we ask him next time why he is doing this?
To me, asking "What is the meaning of life?" is no different than asking "What are the carrots of a Toyota?" "Meaning" is a concept that simply is inapplicable to "life". And it stops there. The End. And yes, to make matters worse, when someone does attempt to answer this question, the person asking it will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever agree with any answer they are given.
I agree. I think that it's a useless question. People may want 'meaning' and 'purpose', but I don't think the universe is aware of us, cares about us, or is expecting anything from us. Life just is. What meaning we give our lives is up to us.
I'm pretty sure Kyle was the same guy who previously called The Line and was upset that we no longer can float up into the air like ancient Inuit wise men could when guiding a hunt.
@kelleylaughlin392 I was trying to find this call but I was like wtf is TW??? Then I looked at the username and it's fucking Kelley 😂😂😂 TW is truth wanted duh😂
Not Jon again. At least he doesn’t vote in US elections. He needs to learn about how pregnancy ruins lives. It certainly doesn’t give parents more time to advance their educations or careers.
My issue with Sam Harris' criticism of Muslims is that he repeatedly promoted racial/ethnic profiling and bigotry in general. His "thought experiments" of "who's more likely to be a terrorist and should consequently get searched at airports?" were just exercises in stereotyping and promotion of undue discrimination against people who "look Muslim" (many of whom are not and have never been Muslims, let alone terrorists). And I don't buy his claim that he would submit to special searches himself, in the interest of public safety. He knows that won't happen in the U.S., and he can essentially live his life without being targeted by law enforcement because he's a "white" man. Even in the unlikely event that he wouldn't mind, a lot of his audience would certainly object if they had to submit to special searches and seizures on the bases that they "look like" a "white" male and n percentage of mass shootings and/or some other crime have been committed by "white" males. Or we could open it up to males in general, and males have committed the overwhelming majority of violent crime. That doesn't mean that I should have to submit to random searches, seizures, and interrogations, while I'm just lawfully living my life, because I'm a man.
One reason school is an appropriate place to teach age appropriate reproductive health is because most parents don't understand some of the simplest, most basic aspects of it. My wife has two college degrees. When our daughter was 13, they attended a parent/child sex ed class together at the local children's hospital. My wife was really shocked to discover how much basic information she lacked. Part of that was because she was raised in an environment where they simply didn't discuss those things in the family. So, where else is someone going to learn these important facts if the family won't talk about it? Also, as per usual, in this call the person who is questioning sex ed teaching in schools goes immediately for what they perceive to be the extreme butt stuff examples. So often when one of these dudes talks about this topic, they start to describe things like fisting, and other butt stuff. Why is that their first thought? Hmmm.
It's probably their first thought because they were raised to think sex in general is a nasty embarrassing perversion. That it's either something to be ashamed about, or something a hetero couple does to have kids.
The actual answer to Michael is yes. If you teach your child that they will go to jail for having bad thoughts or for not loving you enough, then that is also abusive.
1:14:40 "John, are you reading from a book of quotes by Ken Hamm or something?" Nah. Kent Hovind. The next quote is "do you think we came from a rock" and the appropriate answer is "Not we, John. Just you."
Kyle, if you believe what you were saying, then you have fallen for a bunch a BS. OK, let's say you're right that Egypt knew an engineering trick that modern man doesn't. I don't agree, but we'll grant it. So they knew ONE freaking thing. We know how to build the Empire State Building, the Eiffel Tower, airplanes, bullet trains, space ships, nuclear reactors, MRI machines, computers, super tankers, and thousands of other things that were unknown in ancient Egypt. So you want to trade thousands of modern brilliancies for ONE of ancient Egypt? That's better? Don't be absurd.
I'm 79 years old, and am still alive only because of the knowledge and skill of our medical community. That's one simple example of our current scientific advancements. While I was a young child, and raised as a Catholic, I was told that it was a mortal sin to look at a girl and physically want her. It was terrible since I lived in terror for many years. Finally getting rid of my Catholic beliefs, which took those many years, was a great relief.
The meaning of life is to give life meaning. We all do it whether we realize it or not. Some people adopt a ready made worldview complete with purpose and meaning built in. Some don't, but either way it's the individual giving their life meaning.
Can I remind Kyle the mark of an intelligent person is that they are aware of how little they actually know and how much more they still have to learn. Also they accept that any given information they accept or belief they hold will happily be replaced when presented with convincing evidence. That is not you Kyle. You are sure of everything and dismissive of appropriate investigation of your beliefs. Time to google "modesty and arrogance" Kyle
The worst excuse/justification for someone doing a bad thing? Well, as a 14 year old, whenever my parents say "because I said so" or "because I'm an adult" it almost never helps me understand their point, which from my perspective is a bad thing. Sorry Mom and Dad, please get a proper reason (Also if this does end up on next weeks show, pls just call me Jace)
1:24:27 "I was a little rough on John but it was a weak argument." No. You were pleasantly kind to John. The only thing he could have said that would have been weaker was if he said "Proof of god is butt plugs!" On that subject, if somebody gets thoroughly plugged and shouts "Jesus!" is that proof of god? Asking for a friend... Which takes me to: Flimsiest excuse for doing the wrong thing? Converting to Christianity after using a butt plug and shouting "Jesus!"
Honestly, that's the most civilized conversation I've ever heard with Jon from Canada. Still a bunch of nonsense, but at least he managed to not spout any bigotry this time.
I have no problem with repeat callers if they learn from previous calls but Jon and McMichael are just nauseating!! I don't understand what they think they're achieving. Jon especially, must live in a bubble because his feeble, tired old arguments have been debunked so many times.
I think you have too be 18 before you learn about religion,...when you are old enough to decide for yourself,...too young (5,6,7,8,9,......) I will say thats abuse.....
Well if a child has a question, I think answering the question and being honest about your own beliefs is fine, as long as you let the kid know that they can have their own separate beliefs In fact, if you're dealing with a kid around 11-17, I'd say encourage them to research different religions and beliefs On a separate note, 18 isn't necessarily the age you can decide for yourself, you can decide as early as you want, but we, like many other mammals, are genetically coded to believe our parents, which only really fades away around the age of 13-14, (it actually does vary though) Take it from me, a 14 year old atheist who was raised (and technically is being raised) Christian.
It’s purely indoctrination. “Get em young” while they don’t have the critical thinking skills to make a rational decision about the concept of believing in something without any good evidence.
@@LandonG587 true, but i still think 18, is bedst,...if your mom and dad, "force" you to pray, read the bibel, go to church...send you to a religious school when you are between 5 and 15....it is Abuse.....i think !
@@hjalmarolethorchristensen9761 The issue is, Abuse, for the most part, is defined as repeatedly harming another person, whether verbally, physically, etc. But to these people, they're saving the child by teaching them the religion, so the issue is the religion prevents the parent from encouraging the things I previously mentioned, so while I may agree with you, there isn't much we can do about parents in the religion forcing it upon the kids, and because so many people do it, it isn't considered a crime, I'm not saying that everyone doing it makes it OK, I'm saying we can't stop billions of people from doing it.
@@LandonG587 yea l know, religion has a lot of power, My Hope, that it will go away,...i think it will if they diddent lean til 15 or 18...it will be gone in 50 years...🥳
I grew up with parents that did the "we'll talk about these things with our kids if/when they bring them up", and I live in a place with limited sex ed. And, like all teens, I wasn't comfortable asking my parents about sex when the only thing they'd ever said is how bad it is. I can promise you that the parents that scream the most about about how they should be the ones to teach these things to their kids are the ones that absolutely will NOT teach anything useful to their kids.
There was a time when I thought John might be a thoughtful theist caller who was just clueless. Now I think he's a theist troll. This is his least educated, least informed, and least thoughtful call to any show ever. John, you're a parody of yourself. Well done!
Oof. What a show! Great hosts. Enjoyed seeing Secular Spirit and I always like shows hosted with MD Aware. The rails and the wheels were in totally separate countries at times today. Also, some live shows can replay the 'live chat' along with the show. Can the ACA do this? I'd love to be able to read the chat while playing the show back. Sadly, I came in late today. Just wondering if that's a switch that can be turned on on your end, or if there's lots more to it.
Kyle is so uninformed about the knowledge and skills the ancient people had it's embarrassing. Not only do we know how things were produced . . . but with multiple methods as well. NOTHING special or mysterious about these them. Compare their work with LIGO or particle colliders or just about any item of today, and the differences are light years apart. These Old Ones wouldn't have even been able to understand technology of today. Kyle doesn't understand how the ancient people did things and doesn't how we do things today.
he was literally working his way to anti-lgbtq stuff. That was his goal, but he was too chicken to own his bigotry and tip-toed around all these vague mentions of "natural life" in past civilizations and the justification was that they somehow were more advanced then 'how we ended up" and our lost way is the reason we don't understand 'ancient technology'. Moral of the story, read more books.
McMichael - Jail Vs Hell Characteristics of Jail Real, mostly limited, mental isolation but not physical torture, 3 meals a day, a cot to sleep on Characteristics of Hell Forever, demons, torture, fire, FOREVER Yeah there is no comparison. Additionally rape is as much a real part of women's prison by both women prisoners and guards and male guards. This guy is the new Andrew. He had the dumbest arguments. They don't wish you would be raped in hell? Maybe not but let's just say eternal torture is much worst than someone wishing another is raped.
btw regarding the "Puddle Analogy" by Douglas Adams, I've heard it said that while it's true that *any* hole will fit the puddle, this analogy doesn't quite work for the universe since *any* universe will not necessarily fit for life. ie although our universe may be largely inhospitable for life to evolve, it nevertheless does allow for life to evolve on at least one (and possibly more) planets. However a universe where - for example - the size of the electric charge of the electron and the ratio of the masses of the proton and the electron were slightly different - life as we know it could not evolve anywhere. I'm not religious (I'm an ex-Muslim like Secular Spirit) and I'm not arguing in favour of a God/Creator (I'm Agnostic) - I'm merely wondering what your thoughts might be on on this contention to Douglas Adams puddle analogy - do you think it holds water? (pun intended)
It was never been that impressive to me that poor people can get better treatment than kings of the past. I'm more interested in the difference inequality between kings and the poor across time.
Flimsiest excuse for doing the wrong thing? My financial statements always included disclaimers that said everything reported in them might be false so it is perfectly OK that everything was false.
John won't understand, but for anybody else who cares to read it. Evolution is 100% certain to occur wherever biogenesis occurs. Once life exists, evolution is a 100% certainty. Abiogenesis is not a 100% certainty. In fact, it might or might not be a small chance for any planet inside the Goldilocks Zone of any star - we have not examined enough of them to be sure what the chance is. But even if abiogenesis is a very, very tiny chance, you multiply that by the gazillions of planets it might happen on, and now it's nearly certain to occur somewhere, though nobody has any accurate data yet to be sure exactly how certain. It's the same idea that my chance to win the lottery is almost zero. A teeny tiny chance. But multiply that by millions of people playing the lottery, and the chance of a winner gets pretty close to 100%. Multiply that by thousands of lotteries and you have thousands of winners. Abiogenesis is something like that.
Flimsiest excuse for doing the wrong thing? 100 billion human souls are supposedly roasting in hell for all eternity because a dude at a fruit that he was tricked into eating by the god who put the fruit there in the first place.
I just tune into the shows to hear what the hosts are talking about but as hard as i try i cannot stand to listen to most of the callers. That said I'm out. Kyle is a naval gazervthat thinks he's really smart.
Jon is a joke. Hes not joking, he is a joke......he is 1 step below Ammanuel on the Dunning Kruger ladder which is not something to be proud of....He calls all the shows and has yet to make a coherent argument about anything......he needs a girlfriend or at least a friend of any kind, including a dog.
Are you a truth seeker? Do you accept your ideas are challenged? The truth is atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. I will rephrase the atheist logical fallacy to facilitate the understanding. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is "sky daddy" to conclude wrongly no creator exists because "sky daddy" doesn't exist. Atheism is dead to be buried. Atheism is the belief immune to arguments that all reality is created, and that's why atheists remark "who created god?". Ask yourself why atheists write "god" in lower case. I was atheist for too many years and atheists have explained to me what is atheism almost infinite times. Why? I will explain the kalam cosmological argument that proves logically God exists. What has a beginning of existence has a cause because from nothing can not be created something. Logically it is impossible the existence of an infinite number of causes and effects, therefore an eternal first uncaused cause that caused what has a beginning of existence must exist. Did you understand? God decided to create the universe because the creation was uncaused. To understand God exists you have to understand it is better for you if God exists because for atheists life lacks an ultimate purpose and death is terrifying. Who or what is this God for the moment it doesn't matter. When you abandon atheism you would feel incredibly better, like if you were eternal and your life mattered. To end religion and atheism and the war the discovery that atheism is a logical fallacy has to be news. Thank you.
@@sceptictakeout6809 this week I can't call because i work. Life is tough. The question that atheists can't answer and don't dare to ask is "is atheism a logical fallacy?". Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist.
Great job Secular Spirit!
Thanks NaZone! Great to see you here!
When someone says a conversation would've been better without being approached with skepticism, you know they are either lying, not thinking critically themselves, or both.
1:02:00 "you could actually lose a toy in your body."
THAT'S WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO EDUCATE PEOPLE!!!!
I don't think Jon has paid ANY attention to any explanation he is ever given on any of these atheist call-in shows.
What I would REALLY like to see is after something is explained to a caller like Jon as to why his claim is wholly unsupported ( and they always are ) DEMAND he steelmans the explanation he has been given, otherwise the conversation is over. This is something I have done lately in some on-line theist/atheist debate forums. If my interlocutor shows ANY signs of not understanding or ignoring anything to explain to him, I ask him to steelman what I have explained to them.
And then let the tap-dance begin. I have never ONCE had a theist interlocutor take me up on this request. Ever.
Yes! I'd love to see Jon have to do this. He never learns anything, and I don't think he really listens. If they give him more time, make him put more effort into his responses.
He either makes the effort, or he's done.
@@duskyrose9243 Exactly. He pays ZERO attention what's been explained to him. And after any of these explanations stops him dead in tracks he does what 99%of the theist callers do in this situation: They go onto something else. Dillahunty and a few other like Forrest are good at doing this. They hold the caller's feet to the fire and often do ask for a steelman. And when they does, it never happens either..
Agreed. Too often hosts let theists move on to their next fallacious argument without acknowledging their previous one was thoroughly debunked.
The reason is they know it will destroy any pretense to faith they have if they steelman the arguments.
The reason is they know it will destroy any pretense to faith they have if they steelman the arguments.
As a teacher I hear a fair bit of bad excuses for bad behaviour. One of my favourites are:
-Hey! You are not allowed to ride kickbikes without a helmet!
- But it's not my kickbike!
-Wah...?
Thank you for having Secular Spirit on!
“Jon” clearly spends all his time in extreme right wing conspiracy theory circles and then he keeps calling every call-in show trying to pass on the nonsense he has heard from his peers last week. The question is why. He doesn’t want to have an honest discussion. He isn’t convincing anybody. Can we ask him next time why he is doing this?
He is the epitome of self induced ignorance.
To me, asking "What is the meaning of life?" is no different than asking "What are the carrots of a Toyota?"
"Meaning" is a concept that simply is inapplicable to "life". And it stops there. The End.
And yes, to make matters worse, when someone does attempt to answer this question, the person asking it will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever agree with any answer they are given.
I agree. I think that it's a useless question. People may want 'meaning' and 'purpose', but I don't think the universe is aware of us, cares about us, or is expecting anything from us.
Life just is. What meaning we give our lives is up to us.
@@duskyrose9243 Exactly. Well said.
I'm pretty sure Kyle was the same guy who previously called The Line and was upset that we no longer can float up into the air like ancient Inuit wise men could when guiding a hunt.
He called TW two weeks ago with that story.
@kelleylaughlin392 I was trying to find this call but I was like wtf is TW??? Then I looked at the username and it's fucking Kelley 😂😂😂 TW is truth wanted duh😂
Not Jon again. At least he doesn’t vote in US elections.
He needs to learn about how pregnancy ruins lives.
It certainly doesn’t give parents more time to advance their educations or careers.
@@Imperial-Socialist He probably dropped out of primary school.
He was the only real caller on the show
My issue with Sam Harris' criticism of Muslims is that he repeatedly promoted racial/ethnic profiling and bigotry in general. His "thought experiments" of "who's more likely to be a terrorist and should consequently get searched at airports?" were just exercises in stereotyping and promotion of undue discrimination against people who "look Muslim" (many of whom are not and have never been Muslims, let alone terrorists).
And I don't buy his claim that he would submit to special searches himself, in the interest of public safety. He knows that won't happen in the U.S., and he can essentially live his life without being targeted by law enforcement because he's a "white" man. Even in the unlikely event that he wouldn't mind, a lot of his audience would certainly object if they had to submit to special searches and seizures on the bases that they "look like" a "white" male and n percentage of mass shootings and/or some other crime have been committed by "white" males. Or we could open it up to males in general, and males have committed the overwhelming majority of violent crime. That doesn't mean that I should have to submit to random searches, seizures, and interrogations, while I'm just lawfully living my life, because I'm a man.
One reason school is an appropriate place to teach age appropriate reproductive health is because most parents don't understand some of the simplest, most basic aspects of it.
My wife has two college degrees. When our daughter was 13, they attended a parent/child sex ed class together at the local children's hospital. My wife was really shocked to discover how much basic information she lacked.
Part of that was because she was raised in an environment where they simply didn't discuss those things in the family. So, where else is someone going to learn these important facts if the family won't talk about it?
Also, as per usual, in this call the person who is questioning sex ed teaching in schools goes immediately for what they perceive to be the extreme butt stuff examples. So often when one of these dudes talks about this topic, they start to describe things like fisting, and other butt stuff.
Why is that their first thought? Hmmm.
It's probably their first thought because they were raised to think sex in general is a nasty embarrassing perversion. That it's either something to be ashamed about, or something a hetero couple does to have kids.
Interesting topics, good to see @SecularSpirit. Please support him.
I am really amazed and impressed by how well; the hosts, especially MD Aware handled McMichael's call!
Not Jon from Canada again?
“Good evening gentlemen.”
The Canadian Ammanuel.
"I'm soory aboot this, Kyle"
The actual answer to Michael is yes.
If you teach your child that they will go to jail for having bad thoughts or for not loving you enough, then that is also abusive.
1:14:40 "John, are you reading from a book of quotes by Ken Hamm or something?"
Nah.
Kent Hovind.
The next quote is "do you think we came from a rock" and the appropriate answer is "Not we, John. Just you."
Kyle, if you believe what you were saying, then you have fallen for a bunch a BS.
OK, let's say you're right that Egypt knew an engineering trick that modern man doesn't. I don't agree, but we'll grant it.
So they knew ONE freaking thing.
We know how to build the Empire State Building, the Eiffel Tower, airplanes, bullet trains, space ships, nuclear reactors, MRI machines, computers, super tankers, and thousands of other things that were unknown in ancient Egypt.
So you want to trade thousands of modern brilliancies for ONE of ancient Egypt?
That's better?
Don't be absurd.
I'm 79 years old, and am still alive only because of the knowledge and skill of our medical community. That's one simple example of our current scientific advancements.
While I was a young child, and raised as a Catholic, I was told that it was a mortal sin to look at a girl and physically want her. It was terrible since I lived in terror for many years. Finally getting rid of my Catholic beliefs, which took those many years, was a great relief.
How did Jon slide in on this show. I thought he was banned. And his name isn't Jon.
The meaning of life is to give life meaning. We all do it whether we realize it or not. Some people adopt a ready made worldview complete with purpose and meaning built in. Some don't, but either way it's the individual giving their life meaning.
Can I remind Kyle the mark of an intelligent person is that they are aware of how little they actually know and how much more they still have to learn. Also they accept that any given information they accept or belief they hold will happily be replaced when presented with convincing evidence. That is not you Kyle. You are sure of everything and dismissive of appropriate investigation of your beliefs. Time to google "modesty and arrogance" Kyle
The worst excuse/justification for someone doing a bad thing? Well, as a 14 year old, whenever my parents say "because I said so" or "because I'm an adult" it almost never helps me understand their point, which from my perspective is a bad thing. Sorry Mom and Dad, please get a proper reason (Also if this does end up on next weeks show, pls just call me Jace)
1:24:27 "I was a little rough on John but it was a weak argument."
No.
You were pleasantly kind to John.
The only thing he could have said that would have been weaker was if he said "Proof of god is butt plugs!"
On that subject, if somebody gets thoroughly plugged and shouts "Jesus!" is that proof of god?
Asking for a friend...
Which takes me to:
Flimsiest excuse for doing the wrong thing?
Converting to Christianity after using a butt plug and shouting "Jesus!"
Honestly, that's the most civilized conversation I've ever heard with Jon from Canada. Still a bunch of nonsense, but at least he managed to not spout any bigotry this time.
Worst excuse for someone doing a bad thing: “I told you not to eat from that tree…”
I have no problem with repeat callers if they learn from previous calls but Jon and McMichael are just nauseating!! I don't understand what they think they're achieving. Jon especially, must live in a bubble because his feeble, tired old arguments have been debunked so many times.
I think you have too be 18 before you learn about religion,...when you are old enough to decide for yourself,...too young (5,6,7,8,9,......) I will say thats abuse.....
Well if a child has a question, I think answering the question and being honest about your own beliefs is fine, as long as you let the kid know that they can have their own separate beliefs
In fact, if you're dealing with a kid around 11-17, I'd say encourage them to research different religions and beliefs
On a separate note, 18 isn't necessarily the age you can decide for yourself, you can decide as early as you want, but we, like many other mammals, are genetically coded to believe our parents, which only really fades away around the age of 13-14, (it actually does vary though) Take it from me, a 14 year old atheist who was raised (and technically is being raised) Christian.
It’s purely indoctrination. “Get em young” while they don’t have the critical thinking skills to make a rational decision about the concept of believing in something without any good evidence.
@@LandonG587 true, but i still think 18, is bedst,...if your mom and dad, "force" you to pray, read the bibel, go to church...send you to a religious school when you are between 5 and 15....it is Abuse.....i think !
@@hjalmarolethorchristensen9761 The issue is, Abuse, for the most part, is defined as repeatedly harming another person, whether verbally, physically, etc.
But to these people, they're saving the child by teaching them the religion, so the issue is the religion prevents the parent from encouraging the things I previously mentioned, so while I may agree with you, there isn't much we can do about parents in the religion forcing it upon the kids, and because so many people do it, it isn't considered a crime, I'm not saying that everyone doing it makes it OK, I'm saying we can't stop billions of people from doing it.
@@LandonG587 yea l know, religion has a lot of power, My Hope, that it will go away,...i think it will if they diddent lean til 15 or 18...it will be gone in 50 years...🥳
Jon has to be reading from a script, he's been corrected on different shows before. He just wants to speak and not listen or learn.
Kyle needs to pass the bong over here😂😂😂
Kyle - suspend your skepticism so you believe the nonsense im espousing
Secular spirit’s books are in color order. That alone tells us he’s awesome. Please have him back!
Why thank you for noticing! It took a lot of effort 😅
A car just show up from nowhere... Right@@SecularSpirit
1:08:40 McMichael... Aren't you talking about priests??????
McMichael there are more adults that get tingles in their Pringles in churches than in schools. What a joke.
Wait, did McMichael just say it's a good thing that in hell child molesters and tax frauds are treated the same? He sees those as equal crimes?
I grew up with parents that did the "we'll talk about these things with our kids if/when they bring them up", and I live in a place with limited sex ed. And, like all teens, I wasn't comfortable asking my parents about sex when the only thing they'd ever said is how bad it is. I can promise you that the parents that scream the most about about how they should be the ones to teach these things to their kids are the ones that absolutely will NOT teach anything useful to their kids.
This is one person I would NEVER want near children. He's obsessed with children and teaching children about butt plugs. What the f* is that???
Hey, McMichael, just learn to fart around it!😃
You hear Jon's name and know the cringe is about to flow.
"hello gentlemen"
Yeah, Jon - CA is an automatic skip for me. It's too bad more theists don't call in, because if they did I'm sure atheist shows would ban him.
@@solly119119 he just doesn't learn
There was a time when I thought John might be a thoughtful theist caller who was just clueless.
Now I think he's a theist troll.
This is his least educated, least informed, and least thoughtful call to any show ever.
John, you're a parody of yourself. Well done!
Life is its own meaning.
WFT is Kyle ON ABOUT?
Flimsiest excuse for doing the wrong thing?
The glove didn't fit so we had to acquit.
I wonder if McMichael was a troll 🤔
This show has really deteriorated. Wasting 20+ min on butt plugs and allowing Jon back on backs my point.
Guys, MC Michael, it's a troll. Don't waste your time with him...
Oof. What a show! Great hosts. Enjoyed seeing Secular Spirit and I always like shows hosted with MD Aware.
The rails and the wheels were in totally separate countries at times today.
Also, some live shows can replay the 'live chat' along with the show. Can the ACA do this? I'd love to be able to read the chat while playing the show back. Sadly, I came in late today. Just wondering if that's a switch that can be turned on on your end, or if there's lots more to it.
Kyle is so uninformed about the knowledge and skills the ancient people had it's embarrassing. Not only do we know how things were produced . . . but with multiple methods as well. NOTHING special or mysterious about these them. Compare their work with LIGO or particle colliders or just about any item of today, and the differences are light years apart. These Old Ones wouldn't have even been able to understand technology of today. Kyle doesn't understand how the ancient people did things and doesn't how we do things today.
he was literally working his way to anti-lgbtq stuff.
That was his goal, but he was too chicken to own his bigotry and tip-toed around all these vague mentions of "natural life" in past civilizations and the justification was that they somehow were more advanced then 'how we ended up" and our lost way is the reason we don't understand 'ancient technology'.
Moral of the story, read more books.
you forgot to put a thumbnail picture.
You can hear the ignorance in McMichael’s voice.🙄
McMichael - Jail Vs Hell
Characteristics of Jail
Real, mostly limited, mental isolation but not physical torture, 3 meals a day, a cot to sleep on
Characteristics of Hell
Forever, demons, torture, fire, FOREVER
Yeah there is no comparison.
Additionally rape is as much a real part of women's prison by both women prisoners and guards and male guards.
This guy is the new Andrew. He had the dumbest arguments. They don't wish you would be raped in hell? Maybe not but let's just say eternal torture is much worst than someone wishing another is raped.
I think the "loosing of buttplugs" IS in deed a good point, WHY you need to teach about them. 😜
exactly
btw regarding the "Puddle Analogy" by Douglas Adams, I've heard it said that while it's true that *any* hole will fit the puddle, this analogy doesn't quite work for the universe since *any* universe will not necessarily fit for life. ie although our universe may be largely inhospitable for life to evolve, it nevertheless does allow for life to evolve on at least one (and possibly more) planets. However a universe where - for example - the size of the electric charge of the electron and the ratio of the masses of the proton and the electron were slightly different - life as we know it could not evolve anywhere. I'm not religious (I'm an ex-Muslim like Secular Spirit) and I'm not arguing in favour of a God/Creator (I'm Agnostic) - I'm merely wondering what your thoughts might be on on this contention to Douglas Adams puddle analogy - do you think it holds water? (pun intended)
It was never been that impressive to me that poor people can get better treatment than kings of the past. I'm more interested in the difference inequality between kings and the poor across time.
Worst excuse for doing the wrong thing, if it's lying, the bible says to do so: "Let God be true, and every man a liar." That's an instruction, right?
Flimsiest excuse for doing the wrong thing?
My financial statements always included disclaimers that said everything reported in them might be false so it is perfectly OK that everything was false.
John won't understand, but for anybody else who cares to read it.
Evolution is 100% certain to occur wherever biogenesis occurs.
Once life exists, evolution is a 100% certainty.
Abiogenesis is not a 100% certainty.
In fact, it might or might not be a small chance for any planet inside the Goldilocks Zone of any star - we have not examined enough of them to be sure what the chance is.
But even if abiogenesis is a very, very tiny chance, you multiply that by the gazillions of planets it might happen on, and now it's nearly certain to occur somewhere, though nobody has any accurate data yet to be sure exactly how certain.
It's the same idea that my chance to win the lottery is almost zero. A teeny tiny chance.
But multiply that by millions of people playing the lottery, and the chance of a winner gets pretty close to 100%.
Multiply that by thousands of lotteries and you have thousands of winners.
Abiogenesis is something like that.
Flimsiest excuse for doing the wrong thing?
Presidential exclusion.
Flimsiest excuse for doing the wrong thing?
100 billion human souls are supposedly roasting in hell for all eternity because a dude at a fruit that he was tricked into eating by the god who put the fruit there in the first place.
Flimsiest excuse for doing the wrong thing?
Mine hand offended me so I smote it off. Don't even ask what I did with mine eye...
The Dunning-Kruger Effect runs strong with Kyle....and he whines too much.
I just tune into the shows to hear what the hosts are talking about but as hard as i try i cannot stand to listen to most of the callers. That said I'm out. Kyle is a naval gazervthat thinks he's really smart.
If God was proven to exist I would respect it yes but the stories written about this God I would not
Jon is a joke. Hes not joking, he is a joke......he is 1 step below Ammanuel on the Dunning Kruger ladder which is not something to be proud of....He calls all the shows and has yet to make a coherent argument about anything......he needs a girlfriend or at least a friend of any kind, including a dog.
I put the fake callers through a filter to match them in cadence, tone, octave...and it's Secular Rarity. Do better ffs
BS
Are you a truth seeker? Do you accept your ideas are challenged? The truth is atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist. I will rephrase the atheist logical fallacy to facilitate the understanding. Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is "sky daddy" to conclude wrongly no creator exists because "sky daddy" doesn't exist. Atheism is dead to be buried. Atheism is the belief immune to arguments that all reality is created, and that's why atheists remark "who created god?". Ask yourself why atheists write "god" in lower case. I was atheist for too many years and atheists have explained to me what is atheism almost infinite times. Why? I will explain the kalam cosmological argument that proves logically God exists. What has a beginning of existence has a cause because from nothing can not be created something. Logically it is impossible the existence of an infinite number of causes and effects, therefore an eternal first uncaused cause that caused what has a beginning of existence must exist. Did you understand? God decided to create the universe because the creation was uncaused. To understand God exists you have to understand it is better for you if God exists because for atheists life lacks an ultimate purpose and death is terrifying. Who or what is this God for the moment it doesn't matter. When you abandon atheism you would feel incredibly better, like if you were eternal and your life mattered. To end religion and atheism and the war the discovery that atheism is a logical fallacy has to be news. Thank you.
Are you still calling Talk Heathen Tomorrow to demonstrate this claim?
@@sceptictakeout6809 this week I can't call because i work. Life is tough. The question that atheists can't answer and don't dare to ask is "is atheism a logical fallacy?". Atheism is a logical fallacy that assumes God is the religious idea of the creator of the creation to conclude wrongly no creator exists because a particular idea of God doesn’t exist.
@@michelangelope830 I know you think it's a logical fallacy, I want you to call to go through it with the hosts
Surely your time and effort would be more productive proving your own beliefs rather than trying to disprove others'?
@@anthonysmith8800- "lOgIcAl FaLlAcY!" 😂