Hard to believe they could form that fast, but there they are. Physics and astronomy are very humbling, and you do a wonderful job sharing them with us. As a Wonderful person said, "Stay Wonderful!"
OR our understanding of how the universe originated and came to be is completely wrong because we still have so much more to learn, discover and understand.
@@Nobody0117 "in ways we cant fully understand" so talking about it is useless? then stop talking about your unfalsifiable claim. dont talk to people trying to figure out what is true and cannbe proven when what you care about is unfalsifiable and has no explanatory power (if we cant comprehend it we cant do anything with it either)
@@Nobody0117 those theories about the movement of bodies within galaxies and about how things work on a quantum level ARE falsifiable! well, the scientific ones anyway. find out what falsifiability when it comes to the scientific method means. and im literally a polytheist, you're simply talking whack for no good reason. how would you figure out if your thoughts that the universe is alive in a way we cant comprehend are wrong?
Maybe the people there have been looking at us and saying, wow, new record! - wonder how things are going on there? - we'll never know. Hope they have an Anton too.
We see these ancient galaxies so far away... and the question becomes, "What's out there now? What would the universe look like to an alien civilization living in a galaxy on the edge of the universe?"
Assuming they had senses that can detect EM radiation, their skies are not opaque to such radiation etc., then by the Copernican principle, they would see something similar to what we see. They may not live in a spiral galaxy so they would not see that feature, but I don't imagine anything radical about their observations of distant galaxies. Our own galaxy harbours remnants from these early star formations and I'm sure those aliens also live in a galaxy with remnants of early star formation.
@@tresuvesdobles we don't know the true size of the universe. it could be the same as the observable universe or a million times bigger, or whatever else size imaginable
@@murolemNo. We are certain the universe is not the same size as the observable universe as that is constantly shrinking. Due to its apparent lack of curvature, it is at least 100x bigger than we can see. It still wouldn't have an edge even if you could see it all though.
I was looking forward to your video about this galaxy after I saw the reports come out. Thanks for the explanation and breakdown, Anton! The new models for galaxy should be fun to watch.
@@Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time If it's infinite and eternal, then how is there a beginning? If there is a beginning, then how is it infinite and eternal?
Great video, really fascinating and well presented. I don’t know how you manage to make so many and still achieve this kind of quality, but I’m grateful.
"The first sip from the glass of natural science will make you atheist. But at the bottom of the glass, God is waiting for you." -Werner Heisenberg (Godfather of Quantum Mechanics) Wait until you find out the big Bang "theory" is just a theory and it's likely the case that our perception of time, universe expansion, and the nature of space is completely different than our current understanding. Everything we have learned about space and cosmos in school the past 100 years is really just speculation. Maybe some things will hold up in 1000 years... like the basic observations of how planets traverse space and how pulsars spin. The underlying fabric and the mapping of our cosmos are all just theoretical. We have no idea. We should all be skeptical of any hardlined observations through untrustworthy instruments.
I knew. The reason is simple, my theory proposes that G (Newton's Gravitational Constant) is inversely proportional to the 4D radius of the Universe (I derived that condition)> This means that when the Universe was 100 million years old, G was 140 times larger than today's G. That allowed Galaxies to form in a million years or so. I modeled galaxy formation up to z=21. You can look at my work and ask questions anytime. It is the Hypergeometrical Universe Theory.
I love you; your enthusiasm, your kindness and your intelligence. What you are spreading into the world is wonderful and I wish you and your family the very, very best.
*I love looking at the photos of the galaxies and it's basically just a smudge on a pixel, reminds me of minecraft.* at a far enough distance, we're all just blocks of light.
I can easily see an endless number of "new record holders" right up until we have a newer better telescope. Which is sure to be followed by a whole slew of new record holders. The plus side is it keeps Anton busy with new material.
Cosmic theories are continually proven wrong or contradictory with each assessment and observation, and they continue to move the goal-post with each iteration of telescope.
@@Salty.Peasantswell yeah, our ideas are formed from what we can we observe. When we get better observation tools, we’re more likely to see things we didn’t know about or think was possible which are things not accounted for in our models
@@Salty.Peasantsincomplete or requiring tweaking because of new data doesnt mean they're broken, unless it actually breaks mathematically in explanatory power.
@@markd.s.8625 How many articles or scientific papers have we had in the past decade alone that claims some recent rudimentary theory has broken the laws of physics/nature/time etc? If we can't even get our own ancient history right, what makes you think we're right about cosmic timescales or the beginning of everything?
I'd never consciously viewed the Milky Way until I worked for the National Outdoor Leadership School in Wyoming, Idaho and Montana. Once, after delivering re-rations to a ranch in Montana so that they could be delivered to a NOLS class by horsepackers, I'd come close to reaching my maximum allowed driving time (I was a commercially-license driver). So, I drove to a high area in the mountains near Dell, Montana and settled in for the night in the bed of my pickup truck. I was at least twenty-five miles (40 km) from the nearest highway or electric lighting. As I lay in my sleeping bag with my dog pacing around the truck bed on bear patrol, there was nothing else to do but gaze at the stars. Among the countless stars in the black sky, I immediately noticed the magnificent arc of the Milky Way stretching across the sky from the southwest to the northeast. I'll not soon forget that night.
I am on a week-long Anton Petrov video binge. All the junk going on in the world, it is nice to watch Space Science videos and spend time Meditating. This is when I am not working on video games and Kids adventure eBooks.
Question? If we can see something that is 33.6 billion lightyears away, does that mean theoretically we can see 33.6 billion light years in every direction, provided there was something to see?
This stuff just blows my mind, I cannot comprehend these distances and these time frames! Fortunately we have Anton because if it left up to me we would probably still be rubbing two sticks together to start a fire! 😮
Not just galactic formation theory is incorrect, but also star and planet formation theory (they form much faster than theorized). What's missing? Perhaps, Dark Matter Bubbles?? ;-)
Stellar astrophysicists have decent knowledge of how stars form¹. J-WST has been adding to that knowledge since infrared light can pass through accretion disks where new stars are forming. For example -- our G2V Sun took about 200k years to form, spectral type M's about 1,000k years and the massive type O stars in as little as 20k years. ¹ "Stellar Astrophysics" by Franc LeBlanc ² Fraser Cain
Something is missing in our understanding! It would be more logical to think of the big bang as the beginning of our time line within an infinite eternal Universe
How do organized galaxies happen so fast, if the big bang blew everything apart and it's accelerating away from itself, how do they form and organize so quickly?
Exactly there models and theories are broke but they still clinging to the hope that there wild theories are true. Love watching them squirm. Wait till next month when we discover even older galaxies.
The Big Bang didn't "blow everything apart", it was an expansion, like blowing up a balloon, not blowing up a grenade. If you draw dots on a balloon, you'll see that as you blow up the balloon they get farther apart, but they're not actually moving, it's just that there's more and more balloon between them. So they don't have inertia away from each other that needs to be overcome and reversed. Your doubts about how early galaxies could form don't come from your knowledge of the early universe, but rather from only vague and flawed impressions of highly simplified explanations.
@@maladyofdeath I don't know what you're saying/asking here. In the analogy it doesn't matter who blows up the balloon, that part isn't analogous to anything in the universe as there's no one blowing up (inflating) the universe.
Anton, this video got me thinking about the Chevy Z71 4x4 truck I used to own. It had a 454c.i. engine with a 4 speed on the floor and a straight exhaust. Man that thing was fun. Thanks for the memories.
Do you mean the edge of the observable universe? If you specify how thick an edge/shell you want (e.g. 100 mega parsecs) then based on the expected density of proto galaxies, a calculation can be done of the expected number.
More discoveries! More questions! And more things moving away from us at light speed, so less time to study them. will we reach a point where the most distant galaxies we can detect start to wink out of visual existence? Good explanation, Anton.Thanks.
Finding fully formed galaxies this far out fits right in with the Genesis account of creation of the stars on day four 6000 years ago. They were formed instantly....no time needed.
"The first sip from the glass of natural science will make you atheist. But at the bottom of the glass, God is waiting for you." -Werner Heisenberg (Godfather of Quantum Mechanics)
@@laniakealocal1934 That question is wrong to begin with. Stop looking at religion through our the divide that humans created. There is a higher being that is not captured in the Abrahamic or Eastern religions. You can start with the Hermetic Principles. Nikola Tesla's patents are an interesting case study of technology based on those principles.
@@jerryczarski5991 anything that simple is already very well accounted for. We know incredibly precisely what the density of hydrogen was at all points in the universe's history.
How do we know that it wasn't flung away from us so that it appears older? Or if it was beyond the visible horizon and yet was flung towards us so that it appears older?
@@ianstopher9111 If it were flung traveling towards us at 1/10th the speed of light at a time just after the inflation then wouldn't it appear to be about 1/50th of the age of the universe older than it actually was? That would add about a quarter of a million years to its apparent age.
Welp, I'm tired. I read that headline as Galactice Dance Record Broken Again! 😂 Was scratching my head trying to figure out how galaxies dance! Time for bed!
If the chance for intelligent life to evolve on a planet during its lifetime is 1 in 10^-50, then the chance that an intelligent being looks at their observable universe will overwhelmingly conclude the answer is false. If the chances are a lot higher, then we are in an interesting area.
@@ianstopher9111It's not really interesting if the distance is between us and the other life worms are so great that it would take hundreds of millions of years for them to travel here. Or vice versa. I personally would say that the distances involved equate to us being alone, and the same way that being on the other side of a black hole means you're never getting out again. The distances between sentient life forms are probably so vast that it's the same as us being alone.
@@aegisgfx Exactly. And if any messages have been sent our way its travelling much slower than light which makes it harder to pinpoint where the message came from because the senders wont be occupying the same region of space after all this time.
There might be other universes beyond ours, but their light would turn into heat before it could get into our universe, so no, we're never going to see anything beyond our universe.
@@davidh.4944 The scientifically minded arent immune to zealotry. Calling a mystical imperceptible matter buillshit isnt the same as calling Climate Change buillshit. Indeed, "dark matter" is the scientific version of "Jesus". The theory of dark matter is being lazy, but more specifically, it's about the arrogance of the current understanding of physics, namely that we've somehow nailed down all of the core with Einstein; that we know all there is to know ergo, it's that matter isnt conforming to our knowledge vs knowledge being incomplete. It's your reply that is ignorant, not the doubtfulness of dark matter. I bet ya cant even articulate how dark matter "supposedly" exists, and if ya could, you'll do so demonstrating my theory of why DM is buillshit.
You're remembering a dream, cuz scientists who study the universe know first hand much we still don't understand. That being said, that doesn't mean we don't know anything. We know a lot of things with a very high degree of certainty.
Whoever said that is not a scientist: the scientist accepts that the more they understand, the more they don't understand. As the frontiers of human knowledge expands, the larger the boundary. The hubris of physicists c. 1900 showed that the rest was not just some bookkeeping. When it comes to the universe, every time a new observational approach has started (Gamma Ray astronomy, Radio astronomy, Gravitational Wae astronomy) new phenomena haver been revealed that until then we were blind to.
You find me even ONE scientist who has ever said that. You won't be able to. But it's interesting that, in your ignorance, that's what you think of scientists.
So in other words they're currently shaving away at the square peg to fit into their round hole theory. Wouldn't it be easier just to admit that the hole might possibly be square.
It is exactly what “they” are saying, the theories that we have elaborated so far about the formation of our universe need to be changed: rhe problem is that we still don’t know how and into what.
@@giannapple there's evidence and there are models to explain the evidence. You're free to look at exactly the same data, see if the models explain the data, and if they don't you're welcome to propose your own model. "They" are just a bunch of people trying to combine their best ideas into the best possible explanation. When they find a model that explains all current data and there's nothing that goes against it, then it grduates to being a "theory".
@@ibeleveledi look up Mathew Lacroix website plus he has a podcast he speaks about our binary system. The 2 scientists that published what NASA found from beyond pluto was a giant planet and a very old dead star. He has a copy from the 80s, shortly after both scientists died magically and everything was scrubbed. He gives their names, ect.... don't poke the elites, and the narrative they are selling to the mainstream
no? the distance is caused by the relative movement between our location and the emitted light we're seeing, as the universe stretches. plus the galaxies starting earlier than we expected, this doesnt change anything about the model except where we begin to see galaxies??? gain some language comprehension please
Thats generally how it works. One theory is recognized until a better one comes along. These arent exactly the sort of things you can repeatedly test in a lab lol.
I keep seeing things like galaxies forming earlier than we thought, heavier elements forming earlier than we thought, isn’t the simplest explanation (and therefore the most likely) that the universe is actually a bit older than we thought?
Sometimes it feels like there's something a bit off about the whole thing, their theories I mean. It's probably going to take another Einstein-type to come along with the "ability" to see things in a new way, a way that accounts for all the hard data. Is it possible with our monkey brains? Time will tell, I guess lol
No. The age is constrained via multiple methods now, including the Cosmic Microwave Background. Anybody wanting to propose an older universe has to deal with a whole much more problems. This line of thinking, including 'the big bang is wrong' is pure clickbait. It is not really that surprising. It is made out to be becasue we can't model it, BUT, astrophysicist preyy much suspected this was the case. We have supermassive black hole in the current universe that are really are to explain vi accretion and mergers. We have powerful quasars in the early universe. Zero population II stars. JWST is confirming what many suspected - that first 300-400 million years was something special. And that is exactly why we spent billions on JWST in the first place.
I'm guessing it was a chain reaction, as the first stars formed their stellar winds push the surrounding gases away triggering the formation of other stars.
As I’m listening to this video, I just realized I was literally feeling angry at the hydrogen gas for hogging up all the photons during that early period of the universe
Im a layman when it comes to the maths, but I enjoy logic problems… At 7:30 Anton states that no one knows how these galaxies formed so fast so early, isn’t that explained in the Big Bang Theory theme song, “the whole universe was in a hot, dense state” meaning time dilation due to gravity and an excitation of particles. I could be wildly inaccurate about this but based on what I believe we already know it would make sense for us to view the early universe as moving faster than we expect. Happy to hear criticism if anyone else has an expertise on this matter.
Than you for pointing it out the fallacy ( 3:00) in merely using redshift to determine distance, and thus age of newly discovered observations. Since we have no way of observing actual relative motion in space with our observation techniques this factor cannot be incorporated into the calculations. I speculate that at this epoch those relative velocities are indeed a significant factor that must eventually be incorporated. I’m quite tired of media attention grabbing headlines by claiming that these observations discredit the big bang hypothesis.
I have this weird feeling that if we traveled to the most distant galaxies that jwst can find, we could see just as far again in the same direction and see nothing but more galaxies
why is this being called a galaxy if there is only signs of star formation and no sign of a SMB at the center? wouldn’t this just be some sort of huge gas cloud where a lot of stars are forming?
To answer the question - There are hints of SMBs in some of the slightly older ones and we don't see globular clusters that big in the later universe. But yes, still a lot of unknowns and take media stories on these objects with a grain of salt - lots of clickbait. We are still at the early stages of JWST and this is what it was built for. If there is a SMB at the center, how big is it, and if large how did it get so large and why is it not active? If not, then how/when/if would it form if this would become a galaxy? We don't see globular clusters this big in the later universe, so if it is just a gas cloud, would it disperse or just combine with a 'true' galaxy? But at this point either/or is a possibility and we will only start to answer those questions with a lot more data. I'm pretty sure the physicists working with these data are considering all these possibilities and are not as narrow minded as articles on these topics may make them seem. It could be we conclude we are seeing a bunch of enormous gas clouds of star formation, no SMB, and then other systems with huge SMBs we can't yet explain how they got so big.
Just a thought, but in regard to the rapid star formation in early galaxies. Do you know if current simulations take into consideration a pulse of some kind after the formation of the black hole/galactic core? A pulse/gravitational wave could force small clusters in something of an interference pattern, forcing hydrogen to form stars rapidly. Additionally creating more gravitational waves causing more star formation.
I would have thought at that early time the density to volume of gas would be very high and maybe this is what kicks of mass star formation at the very heart of those density notts...
Golly, you guys are almost like a Genuine anchored News broadcast with how many post you put out With impeccable Standards. °~•.☆.•~° Dude, you're probably the only News Station that I trust & wouldn't really question 🤔 hhhmmm.... I'm gonna have to think about what I just said. Thank you!
A long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...
They use to make good movies there.
Fuck goin on ova der?
What if we pick up a radio signal that is a plead for help. It says help Yoda has gone dark. We're all doomed! Save yourselves!
@MikeJones-mf2fw Whatever happened has been over for a very long time.
@@FoulPetyou’re right, now they make good shows too.
Cope harder, Disney hater. SW has never been better.
What Anton does is absolutely astounding. Not just one super detailed video a week but one every damn day.
Well it is his job, isn't it?
Are you telling me this video isn't AI generated? Hmmmm. I think Anton just types in the text.
Hard to believe they could form that fast, but there they are.
Physics and astronomy are very humbling, and you do a wonderful job sharing them with us.
As a Wonderful person said, "Stay Wonderful!"
OR our understanding of how the universe originated and came to be is completely wrong because we still have so much more to learn, discover and understand.
@@IfJenoJeno"completely wrong"?
@@Nobody0117 this means nothing to me and clarifies nothing of what confuses me of the comment i responded to
gracias por nada, supongo.
@@Nobody0117 "in ways we cant fully understand" so talking about it is useless?
then stop talking about your unfalsifiable claim.
dont talk to people trying to figure out what is true and cannbe proven when what you care about is unfalsifiable and has no explanatory power (if we cant comprehend it we cant do anything with it either)
@@Nobody0117 those theories about the movement of bodies within galaxies and about how things work on a quantum level ARE falsifiable!
well, the scientific ones anyway.
find out what falsifiability when it comes to the scientific method means.
and im literally a polytheist, you're simply talking whack for no good reason.
how would you figure out if your thoughts that the universe is alive in a way we cant comprehend are wrong?
Maybe the people there have been looking at us and saying, wow, new record! - wonder how things are going on there? - we'll never know. Hope they have an Anton too.
That galaxie is older than the Milky Way. Plus there wouldnt have been enough time for light to get from our galaxie to them. Sry
They don’t have an Anton, they might have 3/4 of an Anton. In their intro he says “hello okay person.”
@@adambrain8365 🤣
This is such a blessed comment, thank you.
Or saying #&xs&@,?? Which means : No chance of intelligent life there.
I wish you'd stop giving the locations of these cool places. You know people are going to go, take selfies, and leave trash everywhere.
🤣😂
I literally did that
lmaooo
Then they will steal artifacts and rocks to bring home for the mantle.
The Grateful Dead approve.
We see these ancient galaxies so far away... and the question becomes, "What's out there now? What would the universe look like to an alien civilization living in a galaxy on the edge of the universe?"
Assuming they had senses that can detect EM radiation, their skies are not opaque to such radiation etc., then by the Copernican principle, they would see something similar to what we see. They may not live in a spiral galaxy so they would not see that feature, but I don't imagine anything radical about their observations of distant galaxies. Our own galaxy harbours remnants from these early star formations and I'm sure those aliens also live in a galaxy with remnants of early star formation.
Its only the edge of the universe to us. The universe is much bigger than the observable universe
@@tresuvesdobles we don't know the true size of the universe. it could be the same as the observable universe or a million times bigger, or whatever else size imaginable
There is no edge and distant parts of the universe woukd look almost the same as near parts do now.
@@murolemNo. We are certain the universe is not the same size as the observable universe as that is constantly shrinking. Due to its apparent lack of curvature, it is at least 100x bigger than we can see. It still wouldn't have an edge even if you could see it all though.
That was my vacation spot. Just lost my privacy. Thanks.
Sell tickets.
Use the funds to buy a more remote vacation spot.
The picture nasa took of you isn’t doing you any favors🥴
I can see your face right in the middle of that galaxy from the photo. Now I know how you look like.
😂
The Streisand Galaxy?
Anton is the record holder for awesome videos! 🎉😊
That’s insane that there were already galaxies during the dark ages!
The apparently not so dark ages. They need to change the name or the size of the window of time allotted and name the new age as the birth age.
They kept the lamp of learning burning in the universe. Who knew they were Irish?
I was looking forward to your video about this galaxy after I saw the reports come out. Thanks for the explanation and breakdown, Anton! The new models for galaxy should be fun to watch.
“A long time ago In a galaxy far, far away”
But what is time! We need to think of the big bang as the beginning of our time line within an infinite eternal Universe
All I think of is NOT Star Wars, but Weird Al.
@@Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time If it's infinite and eternal, then how is there a beginning? If there is a beginning, then how is it infinite and eternal?
That's basically all of them.
Hello wonderful person Anton 😌☺️❣️
You are a brilliant science communicator. Please keep it up!
Great video, really fascinating and well presented. I don’t know how you manage to make so many and still achieve this kind of quality, but I’m grateful.
Very true!!!
Thank God I found a video on the subject that's not narrated by a bot. You do a great job! Thank you.
Wonderful as always Anton. Thank you. 🙏☺️
Wow, I didn't know that galaxies were fully formed that early. What an interesting sky that would be there.
"The first sip from the glass of natural science will make you atheist. But at the bottom of the glass, God is waiting for you." -Werner Heisenberg (Godfather of Quantum Mechanics)
Wait until you find out the big Bang "theory" is just a theory and it's likely the case that our perception of time, universe expansion, and the nature of space is completely different than our current understanding.
Everything we have learned about space and cosmos in school the past 100 years is really just speculation. Maybe some things will hold up in 1000 years... like the basic observations of how planets traverse space and how pulsars spin. The underlying fabric and the mapping of our cosmos are all just theoretical. We have no idea. We should all be skeptical of any hardlined observations through untrustworthy instruments.
We need to think of the big bang as the beginning of our time line within an infinite eternal Universe
nothing would have been alive to see it that early
To be fair it has bee causing a fair few surprised reactions from astrophysiats too.
I knew. The reason is simple, my theory proposes that G (Newton's Gravitational Constant) is inversely proportional to the 4D radius of the Universe (I derived that condition)>
This means that when the Universe was 100 million years old, G was 140 times larger than today's G. That allowed Galaxies to form in a million years or so.
I modeled galaxy formation up to z=21.
You can look at my work and ask questions anytime. It is the Hypergeometrical Universe Theory.
Thanks!
I love you; your enthusiasm, your kindness and your intelligence. What you are spreading into the world is wonderful and I wish you and your family the very, very best.
Cool, didn't knew about "lyman break" and filter using it to see the earliest galaxies. 🔥
*I love looking at the photos of the galaxies and it's basically just a smudge on a pixel, reminds me of minecraft.* at a far enough distance, we're all just blocks of light.
5:38 Lyman-Break galaxies, huh. Very interesting nomenclature.
Thanks! And like so many others have said, excellent work. I look forward to every new edition.
I can easily see an endless number of "new record holders" right up until we
have a newer better telescope. Which is sure to be followed by a whole slew
of new record holders. The plus side is it keeps Anton busy with new material.
Cosmic theories are continually proven wrong or contradictory with each assessment and observation, and they continue to move the goal-post with each iteration of telescope.
@@Salty.Peasantswell yeah, our ideas are formed from what we can we observe. When we get better observation tools, we’re more likely to see things we didn’t know about or think was possible which are things not accounted for in our models
@@Salty.Peasantsincomplete or requiring tweaking because of new data doesnt mean they're broken, unless it actually breaks mathematically in explanatory power.
@@markd.s.8625 How many articles or scientific papers have we had in the past decade alone that claims some recent rudimentary theory has broken the laws of physics/nature/time etc? If we can't even get our own ancient history right, what makes you think we're right about cosmic timescales or the beginning of everything?
@@Salty.Peasantsoh please you probably can't even read a scientific paper
@4:25 “Back in the days.”
Double whammy.
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Yes, galactic bars are very old and most of them are in galaxies far far away.
But will they serve droids?
We need to think of the big bang as the beginning of our time line within an infinite eternal Universe
and they really had a big bang in one of those bars
I'd never consciously viewed the Milky Way until I worked for the National Outdoor Leadership School in Wyoming, Idaho and Montana. Once, after delivering re-rations to a ranch in Montana so that they could be delivered to a NOLS class by horsepackers, I'd come close to reaching my maximum allowed driving time (I was a commercially-license driver). So, I drove to a high area in the mountains near Dell, Montana and settled in for the night in the bed of my pickup truck.
I was at least twenty-five miles (40 km) from the nearest highway or electric lighting. As I lay in my sleeping bag with my dog pacing around the truck bed on bear patrol, there was nothing else to do but gaze at the stars. Among the countless stars in the black sky, I immediately noticed the magnificent arc of the Milky Way stretching across the sky from the southwest to the northeast. I'll not soon forget that night.
What we are seeing is light from very, very far away. I wonder what's happening to the galaxy at present.
It has had a long time to change, it’s quite possible that the night sky looks very similar to ours.
Or if it still exists.
Cool find anton!!
I am confused for half the video , but , I am learning something new each time . Thank you Anton
It is less confusing if we think of the big bang as the beginning of our time line within an infinite eternal Universe
"learning"
@@qdpqbp - ?? Did I make a mistake ?
Well he did explain it in Lyman-break spectroscopy terms lol
@@DanielScholtus - Yes Sir , that must be it ! Hahahahaha
I am on a week-long Anton Petrov video binge.
All the junk going on in the world, it is nice to watch Space Science videos and spend time Meditating.
This is when I am not working on video games and Kids adventure eBooks.
Excellent video. Keep up the good work.
Question? If we can see something that is 33.6 billion lightyears away, does that mean theoretically we can see 33.6 billion light years in every direction, provided there was something to see?
Yes.
if the expansion was even in all directions and there's something there to see, makes sense yeah.
I would say, Yes! Also I think of the big bang as the beginning of our time line within an infinite eternal Universe
@@Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time Yes, it was merely a localized explosion 😊
1:09 the subtitles are funny at this point 🤭
This stuff just blows my mind, I cannot comprehend these distances and these time frames! Fortunately we have Anton because if it left up to me we would probably still be rubbing two sticks together to start a fire! 😮
Not just galactic formation theory is incorrect, but also star and planet formation theory (they form much faster than theorized). What's missing? Perhaps, Dark Matter Bubbles?? ;-)
Stellar astrophysicists have decent knowledge of how stars form¹. J-WST has been adding to that knowledge since infrared light can pass through accretion disks where new stars are forming. For example -- our G2V Sun took about 200k years to form, spectral type M's about 1,000k years and the massive type O stars in as little as 20k years.
¹ "Stellar Astrophysics" by Franc LeBlanc
² Fraser Cain
Something is missing in our understanding! It would be more logical to think of the big bang as the beginning of our time line within an infinite eternal Universe
How do organized galaxies happen so fast, if the big bang blew everything apart and it's accelerating away from itself, how do they form and organize so quickly?
Good question 😊.
Exactly there models and theories are broke but they still clinging to the hope that there wild theories are true. Love watching them squirm. Wait till next month when we discover even older galaxies.
The Big Bang didn't "blow everything apart", it was an expansion, like blowing up a balloon, not blowing up a grenade. If you draw dots on a balloon, you'll see that as you blow up the balloon they get farther apart, but they're not actually moving, it's just that there's more and more balloon between them. So they don't have inertia away from each other that needs to be overcome and reversed. Your doubts about how early galaxies could form don't come from your knowledge of the early universe, but rather from only vague and flawed impressions of highly simplified explanations.
@@truhartwood3170 in your analogy you blow up the balloon??????
@@maladyofdeath I don't know what you're saying/asking here. In the analogy it doesn't matter who blows up the balloon, that part isn't analogous to anything in the universe as there's no one blowing up (inflating) the universe.
As always, I love the video. They are all very interesting and I never get tired of watching them either.
“ drink deep, or taste not, the plasma stream “
Anton, this video got me thinking about the Chevy Z71 4x4 truck I used to own. It had a 454c.i. engine with a 4 speed on the floor and a straight exhaust. Man that thing was fun. Thanks for the memories.
There must be trillions of these distant galaxes on the edge of the universe.
Do you mean the edge of the observable universe? If you specify how thick an edge/shell you want (e.g. 100 mega parsecs) then based on the expected density of proto galaxies, a calculation can be done of the expected number.
Only on the edge of the observable universe with the big bang as the beginning of our time line within an infinite eternal Universe
More discoveries! More questions! And more things moving away from us at light speed, so less time to study them. will we reach a point where the most distant galaxies we can detect start to wink out of visual existence?
Good explanation, Anton.Thanks.
Nice way of putting it! I think of the big bang as the beginning of our time line within an infinite eternal Universe.
Finding fully formed galaxies this far out fits right in with the Genesis account of creation of the stars on day four 6000 years ago. They were formed instantly....no time needed.
How sure are we that those distant star formations are stars and not a group of galaxies?
wot
They could be if we think of the big bang as the beginning of our time line within an infinite eternal Universe
"The first sip from the glass of natural science will make you atheist. But at the bottom of the glass, God is waiting for you." -Werner Heisenberg (Godfather of Quantum Mechanics)
Which god he meant?
Such an uncharacteristically certain statement from Heisenberg, I'm uncertain as to what he meant.
Pffft!!!
@@laniakealocal1934 That question is wrong to begin with. Stop looking at religion through our the divide that humans created. There is a higher being that is not captured in the
Abrahamic or Eastern religions. You can start with the Hermetic Principles. Nikola Tesla's patents are an interesting case study of technology based on those principles.
@@ibeleveledi ah, the god that killed children in cruel ways in old testament? No thanks.
I always watch these video's so i can seem smart to my friends but then i realize i dont have any
Lol... as for me I just realise I'm not that smart 😂
"we are going to talk about a new record holder"
*HOME - We're finally landing starts playing*
If the universe was very dense in the beginning, wouldn't time move slower?
Nope. Time isn't dependent on density.
Relative to what is the main question
Maybe fast star formation was due to the density of hydrogen?
@@jerryczarski5991 anything that simple is already very well accounted for. We know incredibly precisely what the density of hydrogen was at all points in the universe's history.
Time is our perception not something you can touch
How do we know that it wasn't flung away from us so that it appears older? Or if it was beyond the visible horizon and yet was flung towards us so that it appears older?
It cannot be flung so as to travel towards us faster than the speed of light to appear within the visible horizon.
@@ianstopher9111 If it were flung traveling towards us at 1/10th the speed of light at a time just after the inflation then wouldn't it appear to be about 1/50th of the age of the universe older than it actually was? That would add about a quarter of a million years to its apparent age.
Welp, I'm tired. I read that headline as Galactice Dance Record Broken Again! 😂 Was scratching my head trying to figure out how galaxies dance! Time for bed!
How exciting to think we have so much still to learn!
look at all those galaxies. It's impossible for us to be the only intelligent life.
If the chance for intelligent life to evolve on a planet during its lifetime is 1 in 10^-50, then the chance that an intelligent being looks at their observable universe will overwhelmingly conclude the answer is false. If the chances are a lot higher, then we are in an interesting area.
@@ianstopher9111It's not really interesting if the distance is between us and the other life worms are so great that it would take hundreds of millions of years for them to travel here. Or vice versa. I personally would say that the distances involved equate to us being alone, and the same way that being on the other side of a black hole means you're never getting out again. The distances between sentient life forms are probably so vast that it's the same as us being alone.
@@aegisgfx Exactly. And if any messages have been sent our way its travelling much slower than light which makes it harder to pinpoint where the message came from because the senders wont be occupying the same region of space after all this time.
Soon we will start finding galaxies older than the universe.
No we won't
Soon we will find us,
"They found the milky way at the end of the universe, a galaxy that looks exactly like ours"
I agree, it is more logical to think of the big bang as the beginning of our time line within an infinite eternal Universe
@@Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Timestop spamming your nonsense
There might be other universes beyond ours, but their light would turn into heat before it could get into our universe, so no, we're never going to see anything beyond our universe.
Day will come when galaxy will be discovered that is older than universe should be or is thought to be. I call it now. You are best Anton!
Yes galaxies older than the big bang as the beginning of our time line within an infinite eternal Universe
Wonderful, Anton Petrov, just wonderful.Thank you!
Every time I hear an astronomical phenomenon as "dark", I think "full of shit".
here dark means "not visible/directly observable"
Funny, when I read internet comments from the scientifically ignorant, I think the same.
@@davidh.4944 The scientifically minded arent immune to zealotry. Calling a mystical imperceptible matter buillshit isnt the same as calling Climate Change buillshit. Indeed, "dark matter" is the scientific version of "Jesus". The theory of dark matter is being lazy, but more specifically, it's about the arrogance of the current understanding of physics, namely that we've somehow nailed down all of the core with Einstein; that we know all there is to know ergo, it's that matter isnt conforming to our knowledge vs knowledge being incomplete. It's your reply that is ignorant, not the doubtfulness of dark matter. I bet ya cant even articulate how dark matter "supposedly" exists, and if ya could, you'll do so demonstrating my theory of why DM is buillshit.
I remember when some idio..., sorry, scientists, said that they know for sure all about our Universe.
Yes, yes, it was me.
The GOAT.
Mr know it all, mansplaining.
You're remembering a dream, cuz scientists who study the universe know first hand much we still don't understand. That being said, that doesn't mean we don't know anything. We know a lot of things with a very high degree of certainty.
Whoever said that is not a scientist: the scientist accepts that the more they understand, the more they don't understand. As the frontiers of human knowledge expands, the larger the boundary. The hubris of physicists c. 1900 showed that the rest was not just some bookkeeping. When it comes to the universe, every time a new observational approach has started (Gamma Ray astronomy, Radio astronomy, Gravitational Wae astronomy) new phenomena haver been revealed that until then we were blind to.
You find me even ONE scientist who has ever said that. You won't be able to. But it's interesting that, in your ignorance, that's what you think of scientists.
Excellent Anton, thank you
"Back in the days"
Oh like in the 60'
"REAALLYY back in the days, billions of years ago"
That really is the ancient old school
JWST: throughout heaven and earth, I alone am the all-seeing one
Should have named to Argus or Marduk, maybe Svarog? Give it a cool name associated with an all seeing god
So in other words they're currently shaving away at the square peg to fit into their round hole theory. Wouldn't it be easier just to admit that the hole might possibly be square.
You are obviously not understanding/misunderstanding a lot of things to be able to make that statement.
I agree totally! I think of the big bang as the beginning of our time line within an infinite eternal Universe
@@Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time This is a much better phrasing than "we need to think of the big bang..." 👍
It is exactly what “they” are saying, the theories that we have elaborated so far about the formation of our universe need to be changed: rhe problem is that we still don’t know how and into what.
@@giannapple there's evidence and there are models to explain the evidence. You're free to look at exactly the same data, see if the models explain the data, and if they don't you're welcome to propose your own model. "They" are just a bunch of people trying to combine their best ideas into the best possible explanation. When they find a model that explains all current data and there's nothing that goes against it, then it grduates to being a "theory".
This is one of my favorite channels. Ty
So basically we still have questions about bars a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away…
A deeper understanding of time might help! I think of the big bang as the beginning of our time line within an infinite eternal Universe
No, it didn't it traveled 13 billion light years. Expansion is irrelevant to that measurement
Dark dwarf star is what is beyond pluto in our binary system.
Not disagreeing with you, but can you explain?
@@ibeleveledi look up Mathew Lacroix website plus he has a podcast he speaks about our binary system. The 2 scientists that published what NASA found from beyond pluto was a giant planet and a very old dead star. He has a copy from the 80s, shortly after both scientists died magically and everything was scrubbed. He gives their names, ect.... don't poke the elites, and the narrative they are selling to the mainstream
@@joeyholthusen6495 but is there proof or just a dude talking about something from four decades ago?
Super super distance and unfathomable time scale away 😲
Thanks Anton for amazing me once again 😍🌞
Imagine we could fold space, jump over there with another JWST and start watching even further into that direction.
It's almost like the universe started earlier than expected. Again.
no?
the distance is caused by the relative movement between our location and the emitted light we're seeing, as the universe stretches.
plus the galaxies starting earlier than we expected, this doesnt change anything about the model except where we begin to see galaxies???
gain some language comprehension please
Thats generally how it works. One theory is recognized until a better one comes along. These arent exactly the sort of things you can repeatedly test in a lab lol.
Hehe, I wonder how long they are going to stick with that 13.8 billion year age estimate of the universe.
Probably forever considering the CMB and no tired light isn't an option.
We need to think of the big bang as the beginning of our time line within an infinite eternal Universe
@@Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time that wouldn't help anything it's just that galactic formation likely happened quicker earlier on.
Thank you! Excellent as usual. 😊😊😊😊
I am really waiting for the super large space telescope to look even further back AND PERHAPS even past a big bang that never was!
I keep seeing things like galaxies forming earlier than we thought, heavier elements forming earlier than we thought, isn’t the simplest explanation (and therefore the most likely) that the universe is actually a bit older than we thought?
Sometimes it feels like there's something a bit off about the whole thing, their theories I mean. It's probably going to take another Einstein-type to come along with the "ability" to see things in a new way, a way that accounts for all the hard data.
Is it possible with our monkey brains? Time will tell, I guess lol
No. The age is constrained via multiple methods now, including the Cosmic Microwave Background. Anybody wanting to propose an older universe has to deal with a whole much more problems. This line of thinking, including 'the big bang is wrong' is pure clickbait.
It is not really that surprising. It is made out to be becasue we can't model it, BUT, astrophysicist preyy much suspected this was the case. We have supermassive black hole in the current universe that are really are to explain vi accretion and mergers. We have powerful quasars in the early universe. Zero population II stars. JWST is confirming what many suspected - that first 300-400 million years was something special. And that is exactly why we spent billions on JWST in the first place.
Yes!!! I think of the big bang as the beginning of our time line within an infinite eternal Universe
Wonderful video from a wonderful person, Anton!
I'm guessing it was a chain reaction, as the first stars formed their stellar winds push the surrounding gases away triggering the formation of other stars.
These galaxies are millions of miles away from us! That blows my mind.
They have known about Dark Star since 1974, even made a movie about it. Very enlightening.
Thanks for sharing
As I’m listening to this video, I just realized I was literally feeling angry at the hydrogen gas for hogging up all the photons during that early period of the universe
Excellent video.
Im a layman when it comes to the maths, but I enjoy logic problems… At 7:30 Anton states that no one knows how these galaxies formed so fast so early, isn’t that explained in the Big Bang Theory theme song, “the whole universe was in a hot, dense state” meaning time dilation due to gravity and an excitation of particles. I could be wildly inaccurate about this but based on what I believe we already know it would make sense for us to view the early universe as moving faster than we expect.
Happy to hear criticism if anyone else has an expertise on this matter.
If you look really hard you can see a McDonalds sign.
Yap, I saw it !
Right behind Taco Bell.....sign
Than you for pointing it out the fallacy ( 3:00) in merely using redshift to determine distance, and thus age of newly discovered observations. Since we have no way of observing actual relative motion in space with our observation techniques this factor cannot be incorporated into the calculations. I speculate that at this epoch those relative velocities are indeed a significant factor that must eventually be incorporated. I’m quite tired of media attention grabbing headlines by claiming that these observations discredit the big bang hypothesis.
Well, since it only takes a few years for a universe to pop up from nothing, i guess it shouldn't be that surprising to see that young galaxies.
it's crazy that they can find all of this out, based on a few pixels.
The show must go on! Naturalism must be upheld!
The Galactic Bar is the best place to order a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster . . .
CooL stuff Anton! 😎
I have this weird feeling that if we traveled to the most distant galaxies that jwst can find, we could see just as far again in the same direction and see nothing but more galaxies
so many fucking galaxies omg dude this universe is impossible to imagine how much there is out there
Cool. Thanks for sharing.
Hello, Anton and all wonderful persons!
That was when the Dark Elves showed up? During the Dark Ages man! Drizzt do Urden
why is this being called a galaxy if there is only signs of star formation and no sign of a SMB at the center? wouldn’t this just be some sort of huge gas cloud where a lot of stars are forming?
you dont need to have any sort of black hole for it to be a galaxy, they just need to be bound by gravity
@@markd.s.8625 didn’t know that. thanks for clarifying.
To answer the question - There are hints of SMBs in some of the slightly older ones and we don't see globular clusters that big in the later universe.
But yes, still a lot of unknowns and take media stories on these objects with a grain of salt - lots of clickbait. We are still at the early stages of JWST and this is what it was built for. If there is a SMB at the center, how big is it, and if large how did it get so large and why is it not active? If not, then how/when/if would it form if this would become a galaxy? We don't see globular clusters this big in the later universe, so if it is just a gas cloud, would it disperse or just combine with a 'true' galaxy? But at this point either/or is a possibility and we will only start to answer those questions with a lot more data.
I'm pretty sure the physicists working with these data are considering all these possibilities and are not as narrow minded as articles on these topics may make them seem. It could be we conclude we are seeing a bunch of enormous gas clouds of star formation, no SMB, and then other systems with huge SMBs we can't yet explain how they got so big.
Or we can think of the big bang as the beginning of our time line within an infinite eternal Universe, A steady state universe!
After watching this I've realized I'm even smaller than I thought 😂
I love space but almost specifically discoveries within our Galaxy.
Anything beyond that doesn’t excite me at all but I don’t quite know the reason.
Just a thought, but in regard to the rapid star formation in early galaxies. Do you know if current simulations take into consideration a pulse of some kind after the formation of the black hole/galactic core? A pulse/gravitational wave could force small clusters in something of an interference pattern, forcing hydrogen to form stars rapidly. Additionally creating more gravitational waves causing more star formation.
I think it is more logical to think of the big bang as the beginning of our time line within an infinite eternal Universe
I would have thought at that early time the density to volume of gas would be very high and maybe this is what kicks of mass star formation at the very heart of those density notts...
Hello wonderful Anton! This is person.
Those babies grew quickly.
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Dude, you're probably the only News Station that I trust & wouldn't really question 🤔 hhhmmm.... I'm gonna have to think about what I just said.
Thank you!