Evolution of Pit Stops in NASCAR Games (1994-2021)

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  • Опубликовано: 11 июн 2024
  • Most of these videos aren't owned by me except the NASCAR Racing, NASCAR Racing 2, and NASCAR Racing 2003 Season clips.
    Credits:
    Throneful
    Pichu London
    and Others
    Hope you enjoy my video!
    Timestamps:
    0:00 Intro
    0:10 NASCAR Racing 1994
    0:41 NASCAR Racing 2
    1:11 NASCAR 98
    1:35 NASCAR 99
    1:56 NASCAR 2000
    2:26 NASCAR Heat 2002
    2:49 NASCAR Thunder 2002
    3:18 NASCAR Thunder 2003
    3:45 NASCAR Dirt to Daytona
    4:01 NASCAR Racing 2003 Season
    4:30 NASCAR Thunder 2004
    5:04 NASCAR 2005: Chase for the Cup
    5:39 NASCAR SimRacing
    6:05 NASCAR 06: Total Team Control
    6:21 NASCAR 07
    6:46 NASCAR 08
    7:11 NASCAR 09
    7:38 iRacing
    7:57 NASCAR The Game: 2011
    8:19 NASCAR The Game: Inside Line
    8:40 NASCAR The Game: 2013
    9:04 NASCAR '14
    9:31 NASCAR '15
    10:02 NASCAR Heat Evolution
    10:30 NASCAR Heat 2
    10:54 NASCAR Heat 3
    11:20 NASCAR Heat 4
    12:00 NASCAR Heat 5
    12:25 NASCAR 21: Ignition 2021
    13:34 End
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  • @FRONTI3R_yt
    @FRONTI3R_yt  2 года назад +178

    Which NASCAR game had the most realistic pit stop?

  • @Bruh-pg1xw
    @Bruh-pg1xw 2 года назад +847

    i like how in nascar 2005 chase for the cup the pitcrew is mister clean

    • @FRONTI3R_yt
      @FRONTI3R_yt  2 года назад +42

      Lol

    • @Nrl612
      @Nrl612 2 года назад +79

      And Spider-Man in Nascar 2000

    • @666bluegreen
      @666bluegreen 2 года назад +34

      It was a cheat card you could unlock, they didn't make a mistake was their perk.

    • @spikypikachu1162
      @spikypikachu1162 2 года назад +3

      That’s what I was about to say!

    • @FRONTI3R_yt
      @FRONTI3R_yt  2 года назад +10

      @@Nrl612 I was thinking that the same hahahaha

  • @UnfunnyContent
    @UnfunnyContent Год назад +60

    5:10 I never thought I would witness an army of Mr Clean as a pit crew

  • @fathomrl
    @fathomrl 2 года назад +239

    I like the idea of pressing buttons to make your stop time lower, it kind of makes sense

    • @eclark9965
      @eclark9965 2 года назад +6

      How about the idea that instead of an Atari mechanic, you just control the car all the way through.

    • @Waddle_Dee_With_Internet
      @Waddle_Dee_With_Internet 2 года назад +6

      @Achronic Deth ahh yes, Nintendo 63, my childhood console

    • @FRONTI3R_yt
      @FRONTI3R_yt  2 года назад +5

      @@eclark9965 In NASCAR games that are made by Papyrus from 1994 to 2003, you can actually drive your car into the pit road.

    • @eclark9965
      @eclark9965 2 года назад +2

      @@FRONTI3R_yt i am aware. People from those games ended up starting iracing

  • @scotlandex9802
    @scotlandex9802 2 года назад +22

    5:11 lol getting a pitstop from MR Clean!!!!1 IM DYING

  • @Username_Invalid
    @Username_Invalid 2 года назад +38

    1996 has the fondest childhood memories. "Watch your speed, watch your speed". Annoying crew chief but so memorable.

  • @BrattyNerdGirl
    @BrattyNerdGirl 2 года назад +70

    I spent hours playing Nascar Racing 1994. So nostalgic seeing that pitstop.

    • @joemckie3498
      @joemckie3498 2 года назад +1

      The Pitstop seem more realistic if you had the view from inside the car

    • @andyf7027
      @andyf7027 2 года назад

      @@joemckie3498 you had to actually drive into the pits yourself and hit your box too, so yeah was pretty realistic

    • @stickyglue8083
      @stickyglue8083 2 года назад

      Same feeling here. And the thought that Im so old!

    • @btm2826
      @btm2826 Год назад

      Burik

  • @saimchoudhary136
    @saimchoudhary136 2 года назад +30

    12:25
    The fact that the guys are like
    "Not our problem until u get in the right spot"

    • @shaneharrisnj3484
      @shaneharrisnj3484 Месяц назад +1

      However, I do like the fact that the one tire changer was given the helmet cam...

  • @rickcross4522
    @rickcross4522 2 года назад +41

    Mr Clean pit crew cracked me up. LMAO

  • @firewalker1372
    @firewalker1372 2 года назад +44

    @2:11 Spider-Man throwing that fuel can like it wasn’t sh*t 🤣 😂. Something tells me NASCAR would frown upon that.

    • @nathanielsotto12
      @nathanielsotto12 Год назад +2

      Someone did that irl and they got penalized lmao

  • @richskater
    @richskater 2 года назад +63

    It's before the timeline represented (1990) but Days of Thunder on the NES had cool pitstops. You actually had to control the crew members yourself, so it was up to you whether you had a quick stop or not. I was awful at it, but still my favorite part of that game and never really seen anything like it since.

    • @ChristianHansard
      @ChristianHansard 2 года назад +1

      My cousin had that game and I was so bad at it I didn't play another nascar game till 2001.

    • @epikmanthe3rd
      @epikmanthe3rd Год назад +2

      Like a minigame for the pits? I'm going to look like a freak, but Pixar's Cars on the PS2 had that. That was a game that had no right being as fun as it was.

  • @gabrielsingal209
    @gabrielsingal209 2 года назад +36

    13:14 nice transition

  • @melapelan2596
    @melapelan2596 2 года назад +17

    5:20 didn't know they had a mr.clean pit crew in that game lmak

  • @OOZ662
    @OOZ662 2 года назад +32

    '94 always felt the best to me because you had control of the car through the whole pit lane (though maintaining the speed limit with a digital button was agony); I only wished that your box would be other than the first one sometimes. The car being on autopilot down pit road and the AI doing nothing but following each other in one massive single line for the entire race was what put me off of the later NASCAR games.

    • @jordanblodgettproductions5929
      @jordanblodgettproductions5929 2 года назад +3

      Driving for myself in NR2003 and iRacing honestly just makes the whole experience that much better for me

  • @jermaineboyd6594
    @jermaineboyd6594 2 года назад +61

    In nascar thunder 2004 your pit crew can make a mistake which lose some time on a normal routine stop.

    • @FRONTI3R_yt
      @FRONTI3R_yt  2 года назад +12

      Just like in Nr2003

    • @PSAAVIATION
      @PSAAVIATION 2 года назад +6

      Its also applied to NT2003

    • @Dat-Mudkip
      @Dat-Mudkip 2 года назад +4

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that was still a feature as late as NASCAR '06.

    • @willhorting5317
      @willhorting5317 2 года назад +3

      @@Dat-Mudkip I know that the EASports NASCAR 2007, for PS2, still had crew members (such as the jackman) who would trip/fall. And I think possibly a tire changer might occasionally drop a lug nut and have to pick it up before installing it. That was the final video game I played/owned.

  • @AceD500
    @AceD500 2 года назад +5

    0:47 I've got to pit.
    we're busy now. - We're eating ice cream.
    Ice cream?

  • @jackmcslay
    @jackmcslay 2 года назад +6

    Good thing they invented visible pit stop crew in 1999, imagine going to the pit stop and not realizing you hit the car jack operator

  • @saimchoudhary136
    @saimchoudhary136 2 года назад +11

    7:54
    I like how the car went through the guy

  • @toverirauhala6137
    @toverirauhala6137 2 года назад +5

    5:20 mister clean pit crew eyoo!!! :DDDDDD

  • @JReaLBiz86
    @JReaLBiz86 Год назад +32

    nr2003 has the best pit stops hands down.
    Not only were the pit crews animated, but the entire stop was manually controlled.
    Meaning if you stopped too close to the wall, you can't get your tires changed on that side.
    If you're not stopped in the center of your stall, your crew can't change the tires in unison, adding time to the stop.
    If you rolled too far or didn't come far enough, the crew can't start service on your car until you're in the stall proper.
    You actually had to do a pit stop. Like all the Papy NASCAR titles, but nr2003 was the magnum opus before the dev team got started on iRacing.
    None of that "get to pit road speed before the line and the game takes over" crap. Just like an actual driver, the effectiveness of a pit stop mostly depended on you.
    I get that such a level of realism doesn't appeal to everyone... but then, we shouldn't be having a discussion about pit stops for the "casual" players, should we?

    • @jasonlitz2907
      @jasonlitz2907 Год назад +3

      The OP missed it bu NR4 is what set the bar for nr2003 to feed off of.

    • @minties51
      @minties51 Год назад +1

      iracing was made by the developers of nr2003. they were called papyrus games back then, but now they’re just called iracing. they’re still the same developers, though. basically, iracing’s pit stops worked the same exact way

  • @stickyglue8083
    @stickyglue8083 2 года назад +3

    Man, I didnt know this was the first NASCAR game that I played many years ago. I'm so old XD

  • @zayslay8858
    @zayslay8858 2 года назад +68

    NASCAR 21: Ignition, has one of the best pitstops but the entry and exit are way too slow, and the repair still hasn't improved that much it's just animations they don't actually cut off pieces or do anything the animations showed. Also, sometimes it's not just one person repairing the car and the repairs are pretty slow it seems.

    • @TWOhype23
      @TWOhype23 2 года назад +6

      Not to mention you can’t get a race in without some sort of car flipping glitch

    • @Ghost29303
      @Ghost29303 2 года назад +5

      The entire Nascar 21 game is screwed up . If players ain't having to deal with glitches , they're having to deal without a rearview mirror .

    • @avsguy01
      @avsguy01 2 года назад +7

      That entire game is a piece of junk. Worst Nascar game in history.

    • @iankelly488
      @iankelly488 Год назад

      Waste of money I switched to f1

    • @BeautifulAngelBlossom
      @BeautifulAngelBlossom 2 месяца назад

      That game should be free it's pretty much useless anymore as this an offline wreck fest you can't even play it online any more

  • @ZaxleTV
    @ZaxleTV 2 года назад +7

    Apparently Nascar 99 was running single lugs on all 4 tires over 2 decades before NASCAR did

  • @seannolan9857
    @seannolan9857 Год назад +7

    Bill Elliott's NASCAR Challenge from 1990 should have been in here. You have crew members coming out, doing whatever you tell them to do (even cleaning your windshield!) and unlike Papyrus games, your stall isn't necessarily the first one.
    Also, pit road speed limits weren't a thing yet, and instead of holding a sign over the wall, someone was standing in front of your stall with your number board. And if you overshot your pit, you might run him over!

    • @FRONTI3R_yt
      @FRONTI3R_yt  Год назад +1

      Ok, I'll redo it maybe this year or next year. I'm too busy at my school unfortunately

  • @thomasleffler6721
    @thomasleffler6721 2 месяца назад +1

    That Thunder 03-04 aesthetic was unmatched

  • @bellamendoza4461
    @bellamendoza4461 2 года назад +5

    in nascar chase for the cup Mr clean is your pit crew for a joke

  • @DrBIeed
    @DrBIeed 2 года назад +6

    Yeah the pits were nothing but a 2d sprite in the original NASCAR but man was that game a lot of fun.

  • @cda_official27
    @cda_official27 2 года назад +14

    5:12 they're all vin diesel lol

    • @binnieb20
      @binnieb20 2 года назад +5

      They're supposed to be Mr Clean lol. Daytona USA 2 did something similar with the pit crew dressed up as Pirates.

    • @Al_-mg5di
      @Al_-mg5di 2 года назад

      The 2004 game looks much more dynamic

  • @nascaronly9801
    @nascaronly9801 2 года назад +6

    Bro I forgot that the pit crew in Chase for the cup was all Mr Clean guys 🤣🤣🤣

  • @CharizardMaster69
    @CharizardMaster69 2 года назад +8

    uh why did they bring in the cement saw? It was only used in like one race back in 2016 and immediately banned by nascar

  • @rynogt4
    @rynogt4 Месяц назад

    I just randomly found this video for the first time. I'm glad the viewers were amused by the Mr. Clean crew from my Chase for the Cup gameplay (specifically it was taken from my second channel)

  • @mtnbkr2011
    @mtnbkr2011 2 года назад +1

    I still have my Nascar Racing disk from 1994. I love that Papyrus went on to make the most popular racing sim with iRacing. They've come a long way.

  • @RealBanana
    @RealBanana 2 года назад +1

    I love how for NASCAR 09 they're all either wearing BMX helmets or racing helmets!

  • @aussieknuckles
    @aussieknuckles Год назад +2

    The jump from 94 to 96 is huge!

  • @chrisredsox46
    @chrisredsox46 2 года назад +1

    NASCAR 98 was my favorite growing up. I can still here the song, flirting with disaster.

    • @willhorting5317
      @willhorting5317 2 года назад

      Around '99-07, (I don't recall which year), the basic EASports NASCAR game (@ least for PS1) used Sweet Home Alabama one year. And Magic Carpet Ride for another. At least I think it was during that time period.

  • @BeautifulAngelBlossom
    @BeautifulAngelBlossom 2 месяца назад

    If I had to give an award for the most randomness pit stop crew on any video game Mr clean Get set award it's still funny to see every time

  • @michaeltracy8749
    @michaeltracy8749 2 года назад +8

    I wanna see the evolution of crashes in nascar games

  • @DenGT2
    @DenGT2 2 года назад +6

    5:05 is legendary motorsports

  • @futureawaits_lexie3519
    @futureawaits_lexie3519 2 года назад +3

    They did good in 2005! It’s mr clean 😂😂

  • @sirafoxtron1701
    @sirafoxtron1701 Год назад +3

    I like how detailed the nascar 21 ignition was

    • @iankelly488
      @iankelly488 Год назад

      Too bad nascar 21 was a total bust and waste of money

  • @scottschwenzjr.6285
    @scottschwenzjr.6285 Год назад +1

    "Alright we're doing 4 tires, fuel, taking out a round of wedge, and then beat the hell out of the car with a sledge!"

  • @BentleyTypeR
    @BentleyTypeR Год назад +3

    5:04 There's no way that the game has a group of Mr. Clean's changimg your tires 😂

  • @rh1763
    @rh1763 2 года назад +1

    Dam I wish that #43 would have won in victory lane I would love to thank bacon for sponsoring me today 😂

  • @XxMrManxX9451
    @XxMrManxX9451 9 месяцев назад

    NR2003 is the GOAT of NASCAR simulators. The physics, pitstops, and the depth is just perfect

  • @ililisghribi4135
    @ililisghribi4135 2 года назад +1

    They really look like spiderman in Nascar 2000

  • @t13596
    @t13596 Год назад +2

    5:04 I guess Mister Clean got a new job as a NASCAR pit crew.

  • @doneadmaja242
    @doneadmaja242 10 месяцев назад

    Makasih ritz join room ku nya 🤘 😁🙏

  • @walleyworld4362
    @walleyworld4362 2 года назад +8

    5:19 Is Mr clean pit crew a mod? Or is that really what the pit crew looked like for that game? 😂😂😂

    • @FRONTI3R_yt
      @FRONTI3R_yt  2 года назад +3

      I think he didn’t put some sponsors to his pit crew and that’s why LOL

    • @samichopthechimrea8477
      @samichopthechimrea8477 2 года назад +2

      It's a Thunder plate you unlock in the game 🎮 still It's really funny. That Mr. Clean Clones are fixing your car.

  • @yeeterburns7613
    @yeeterburns7613 2 года назад +1

    2:00, when the Spider-Men of the multiverse are your pit crew.

  • @AverageFerrariEnjoyer
    @AverageFerrariEnjoyer 2 месяца назад +1

    1:06 Very emotional

  • @CJONES16
    @CJONES16 2 года назад +3

    Is it just me, or is the pit crew in "Nascar 2005: Chase for the Cup" made up completely of the Mr. Clean guy.

  • @gta_and_precure_fan
    @gta_and_precure_fan 2 года назад +1

    I use to play Nascar Thunder 2003 on PC and i only go to the pit stop only to refill Gas without changing tires
    Like what Lighting McQueen did from the first Cars movie

  • @kevindalton9491
    @kevindalton9491 Год назад

    Nascar 98. First nascar game I ever played. Never will forget when I completed a 500 lap Bristol race with the 2nd place guy being like 30 laps down. Jeremy mayfield in the 37 was always the slowest car he may of been 100 laps down lol

  • @IsupportTrains999
    @IsupportTrains999 9 месяцев назад +1

    8:20 that’s what sounds inspired cars 1 pit stop sounds bro!!

  • @PhilipAJones
    @PhilipAJones 2 года назад +8

    How do you get the pit crew to start in the original 1994 game?

  • @user-pb3wm8lj3d
    @user-pb3wm8lj3d 2 года назад

    Super! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

  • @soggydoggyVR
    @soggydoggyVR 10 месяцев назад

    Damn whoever that rear wheel gunman in 2021 is strong as hell, he ripped it off with three lug nuts still on the wheel

  • @brick16156
    @brick16156 10 месяцев назад

    I love the first one because it kinda sounds like a little puppy barking in high pitch

  • @supremeleadergnkdroid3202
    @supremeleadergnkdroid3202 2 года назад

    I have nascar thunder 2002 on the PS2. the crew chief voice will always live in my head

  • @michaelhinton6239
    @michaelhinton6239 Год назад

    I just brought nascar 2005 chase for the cup for PS2 and nascar thunder 2004 for original Xbox the other day and i think they are pretty good, i was never into em growing up cause i was always into street racing and sports, im actually starting to get more into now, i do have nascar heat 5 and 21 ignition for series X, great games

  • @ChargeDrifters
    @ChargeDrifters 21 день назад +1

    I play my first nascar game on windows 95... addicted game

  • @yourmeatball414
    @yourmeatball414 2 года назад +1

    Past 2011 for like 6 games in a row at least they just reskinned the same animation

    • @FRONTI3R_yt
      @FRONTI3R_yt  2 года назад

      Fun fact: the pitstop animation is different in Watkins Glen Raceway in those games.

  • @Shaowd
    @Shaowd Год назад

    Bro nascar dirt to Daytona damage model and physics always felt like I was actually smashing into everyone in the pack it felt so meaty

  • @ralfnuggs165
    @ralfnuggs165 2 года назад +3

    2001 is lowkey REALLY good

  • @GodzillaLegendary-vt1pr
    @GodzillaLegendary-vt1pr 2 года назад

    Finally in nascar 2000 they do something that you can see

  • @DjFIL007
    @DjFIL007 Год назад +1

    Great video, pretty cool to see this... though kinda unfair to put iRacing in the slot it has, since visual animated pitcrews didn't come until maybe 2018 or something (much longer after it's original release).

    • @minties51
      @minties51 Год назад

      are you sure it was that and not your graphics settings? if your pit objects graphics setting is on low, you won’t be able to see your pit crew. also, in some of the lower class cars, they don’t have animated pit crews

  • @Rilly_rob_joe
    @Rilly_rob_joe 2 года назад +2

    5:05 mr clean racing team

  • @KSE828
    @KSE828 2 года назад +1

    NASCAR 2000 looks like Spider-Men changing the tires.

  • @paulsd9255
    @paulsd9255 2 года назад +3

    Pretty sure Nascar thunder on PS has a different animation with just a simple circling camera

  • @salihoztrk2021
    @salihoztrk2021 Год назад

    "This aint no one man deal kid..."
    Strip Weathers 💙

  • @JiffyTapout88
    @JiffyTapout88 2 года назад +1

    Sad that the late 90’s to mid 2000’s the damage graphics were way better than todays crap. Time to find a new developer

  • @dash_dash100
    @dash_dash100 2 года назад

    I like how the race cars racing by sound nearly the same

  • @margaretscott8536
    @margaretscott8536 2 года назад +1

    I would like to see NASCAR 98 to 21 crashes I just love the crash dameg some how 😁💿💻

  • @brandonjones9998
    @brandonjones9998 2 года назад +1

    Where can I download or purchase NR2003?

  • @shinjiblack9460
    @shinjiblack9460 10 месяцев назад

    Chase for the Cup was like an army of Mr Cleans lol

  • @DQGAMER24
    @DQGAMER24 2 месяца назад

    The thunder series will always have the best graphics

  • @HoldenBTW
    @HoldenBTW 2 года назад +1

    Dude why is 2005 that one cleanin guy

  • @tranquility7692
    @tranquility7692 2 года назад

    Why is nascar 08 the only one with smoke/haze effects? Its the only one Ive ever played and the only thing missing is the hoses for the impacts.

  • @joshuacooke2738
    @joshuacooke2738 2 месяца назад

    Ignition has some serious graphics. I’m afraid to get from bad reviews though. Ready for the iracing nascar game.

  • @Tkdriverx
    @Tkdriverx Год назад +3

    In these mid-late 2000 and early 2010 titles, what made a good pit sequence was the cinematics. It really adds to the intensity of a pit stop.
    The best pitstop is clearly from NASCAR Racing 1994. So realistic. Crazy they had this back in the early '90s.

  • @driverm4544
    @driverm4544 Год назад +1

    I thought iRacing was built from the ground up... But the UI, Radio and other small pieces from the 2003 clip is making me think I found the actual root of the game

    • @liammrpersonal
      @liammrpersonal Год назад +1

      most of papyrus' coders actually work on the nascar portion of iracing still to this day

  • @patfranks785
    @patfranks785 2 года назад +1

    Kyle Busch(Rowdy) was outside the box.

  • @DangerousMoonwalkerOfficial
    @DangerousMoonwalkerOfficial Год назад

    NASCAR 94’ got me crying because I actually thought the thumbnail was fake

  • @Randomstopmotion846
    @Randomstopmotion846 10 месяцев назад

    NASCAR chase for the cup I just heard mr.clean me.clean playing in my head

  • @BrianHSC
    @BrianHSC Год назад

    Loved the old games where you had to use your "imagination" to fill the gaps. And somehow you remember them being realistic from your imagination.

  • @Domitonk922
    @Domitonk922 9 месяцев назад

    No one:
    Nascar 08 graphics: 🥶

  • @Mikaeru87
    @Mikaeru87 2 года назад +1

    Nascar 2000 feats Spiderman

  • @N.E.O.832
    @N.E.O.832 Год назад

    NASCAR 2005: chase for the cup really breaks the too many men over the wall rule

  • @matthewskudzienski888
    @matthewskudzienski888 Год назад +1

    Jeff Gordan is the famous Nascar Racer

  • @ryry47ftw
    @ryry47ftw 2 года назад +1

    21 ignition has some potential I think

  • @sabrinastancato7725
    @sabrinastancato7725 5 месяцев назад

    The PitStop App for NASCAR has the Right Tires in NASCAR 2 1996 for PlayStadion.

  • @jvon3885
    @jvon3885 2 года назад

    Lighting is key for everything. And with advancements in designing with nurbs will change the games.....

  • @gta_and_precure_fan
    @gta_and_precure_fan Год назад

    I did one challenge in Nascar Thunder 2003. I call it No Tire Change, just refuel and Damage repair
    you gotta try that

  • @Crazcompart
    @Crazcompart Год назад +1

    I would imagine as AIs improve in the future, there will be pit action to match whatever condition or damage the car acquires over the race... Even the hood will come up if there's serious engine problems to address!

  • @YourbroDan
    @YourbroDan 2 года назад

    Loved nascar 1994 on pc, I use to talk to the imaginary audience watching like how modern RUclips is now

  • @Aquizzy_YT
    @Aquizzy_YT 9 месяцев назад

    It’s kind of funny and Iracing that the tires just spawn in

  • @Mikudude1billion
    @Mikudude1billion Год назад

    I only played one NASCAR game in my entire life as a smol boi, many a moon ago. I remember basically nothing about my time playing it, other than I was playing it and Jeff Gordan was my go to for...some reason. NASCAR Heat 2002...was not the game, but the tire changing sound gave me 'Nam flashbacks that contained nothing but the sound of buzzing drills. Can anyone explain to me, despite only a single, extraordinarily vague screenshot still existing within my deepest psyche, how I instantly knew it was NASCAR: Dirt to Daytona when that clip started?

  • @g_i9345
    @g_i9345 Год назад +1

    NASCAR 94 ALL THE WAY. THANK YOU PAPYRUS.

  • @ZygardeCruiser
    @ZygardeCruiser Год назад +1

    5:12 Mr. Clean☠️

  • @justrandomguy5227
    @justrandomguy5227 Год назад +1

    games that are old graphics 0:10 to 6:20. games that got better 6:50 to 12:25.