Sir Roger Penrose | The Emperor’s New Mind: Consciousness & Computer (311)

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  • @DrBrianKeating
    @DrBrianKeating  Год назад +35

    Is the brain a computer? Please join my mailing list; click here 👉 briankeating.com/list 📝 to stay in touch with me and my guests

    • @giovannironchi5332
      @giovannironchi5332 Год назад +4

      Define "computer"

    • @adriaticbatman
      @adriaticbatman Год назад

      You need to get Dr Robert Lanza on to discuss Biocentrism....

    • @miinyoo
      @miinyoo Год назад +1

      If the brain+body is ultimately a pattern analysis machine + reaction meat soup, then sure. It's Turing complete. All one needs is language as a framework and mathematics emerges spontaneously from those raw ingredients regardless of the inputs. (For example. Mice and Dogs can do arithmetic and geometry which reinforces a feedback loop in their own ways which seems alien to us but perfectly comfortable to them. The output and reaction only depends on the language framework and specifically, language need not be written.)

    • @גבריאל-ח3י
      @גבריאל-ח3י Год назад

      No. This reductionism conflicts with quantum biology. The quantum processes that the brain uses can not be completely understood if the brain is just a computer following an algorithm. Gödel's theorem basically points out that the structures of knowing cannot all be formalized mathematically.
      Professor Jim Al-Khalil does a very good video on quantum biology: "Why Does Quantum Entanglement Defy All Logic? | Secrets Of Quantum Physics | Progress"
      Progress - Technology History Documentaries
      That's a good question. I'll give you 2 dollars for asking.

    • @hbofbyu1
      @hbofbyu1 Год назад

      Does a hummingbird fly because of Boolean operations in it's neurons?
      The brain can compute but is not a computer - or will we eventually map the entire brain and nervous system to equate all stimulus and response to 1s and 0s? What is the binary sequence for the color yellow and how does one bit change turn it into pain or sorrow?

  • @bradleyclutton4564
    @bradleyclutton4564 Год назад +9

    Most humble, intelligent gentleman on utube.

  • @travisfitzwater8093
    @travisfitzwater8093 Год назад +100

    Dear RUclips programmers: please consider a feature whereby an "Audio Only" button could be selected with its flipside being "Audio&Video" thus allowing for the saving of data transfer for people just listening. That would be a popular improvement, I think.

    • @JuBerryLive
      @JuBerryLive Год назад +4

      "saving of data transfer for people just listening"
      Dude, are you living in 1876? A youtube video with audio is barely 100 mb

    • @SkreltNL
      @SkreltNL Год назад +16

      @@JuBerryLive yes, only judge people by your standards, excellent!

    • @Jump-n-smash
      @Jump-n-smash Год назад +12

      Audio only is already a feature of the RUclips app, but it is only available to RUclips subscribers.

    • @clintonpiercy6651
      @clintonpiercy6651 Год назад +17

      @@JuBerryLive An hour long video at 720p is about 1 gig. Most phone plans you get 5 gigs per month. That's 5 videos, not unlike this one, per month. Audio only would use a quarter of that data. Congrats on your unlimited data though.

    • @crackerjack3287
      @crackerjack3287 Год назад

      @@clintonpiercy6651 play at low quality u save alot of data

  • @StottMikel
    @StottMikel Год назад +7

    Simply one of the most important books I ever read.

  • @grgmcln
    @grgmcln Год назад +5

    This discussion deserves 100000+ more likes. Thank you Mr. Penrose for all the work you've done. People like you exemplify the (for lack of a better term) specialness of mankind's consciousness.

  • @Carfeu
    @Carfeu Год назад +7

    I’m a simple man, I see Sir Roger and I click like

    • @brendawilliams8062
      @brendawilliams8062 Год назад +1

      I am too, I believe. If you write him to begin with seems strange, but it’s obviously wise to check your age first. It could be a welcomed surprise in the area of discovery to realize it’s not always the domain of the young.

  • @michaelkavanagh5947
    @michaelkavanagh5947 Год назад +7

    He's 92! Forget the physics. How did he do that!

  • @squamish4244
    @squamish4244 Год назад +5

    One of the few actual geniuses in physics. He is responsible for the modern and WAY too delayed study of consciousness, which should have started with the rest of the Scientific Revolution 500 years ago. Imagine where we'd be today. The great respect with which the rest of the physics community holds him may be the reason this field even exists at all.

  • @MadderMel
    @MadderMel Год назад +5

    Uncle Roger ! We are so very proud of him here in England !

  • @dimitrioskaragiannis1169
    @dimitrioskaragiannis1169 Год назад +17

    Thank you for the interview Dr Keating .Sir Roger Penrose
    is a living legend 😊

  • @jojolafrite90
    @jojolafrite90 Год назад +37

    This man is a legend. Quite an admirable and agreeable man. And even if many probably say this a lot, I still want to say it. Thank you, sir for discussing these subjects so that all of us, lucky enough to live at the same time as him and his lectures (or interviews, or discussions) people can contemplate the implications of these theories.

  • @footylovr
    @footylovr Год назад +7

    One of the truly brilliant intellectual minds of all time. Whenever I read or watch something by Roger, I immediately escape the fantasy we live everyday and get one step closer to reality.

  • @sdal4926
    @sdal4926 Год назад +7

    The emperor's new mind and the road to reality. I am still reading them after many many years.

  • @JonathanGoslan
    @JonathanGoslan Год назад +12

    There are people who read Emperor's at the time and there are other people. I was very taken with it at the time and am gratified to have lived so long knowing that consciousness is non-computable. Thanks so much for getting the interview.

    • @iceshadow487
      @iceshadow487 Год назад

      You don't "know" that consciousness is non-computable. Did you actually listen to this video? Penrose literally says that we don't know for sure yet, even about whether his own theory is accurate. "I think we may see the effects in the physics experiments being now, whether we will see the quantum effects of microtubules or not, quite possible. I think some evidence for quantum coherence in biological systems might not be too long from now, but to see any direct evidence of connections of consciousness might be a long way off."
      His argument for consciousness might be stronger than others, but until we can actually prove that is the case, its just a guess!

  • @gilbertengler9064
    @gilbertengler9064 Год назад +2

    I love your contributions dear sir Penrose. Living in France I noticed your presence during the coronation of Charles III. Your appearance made the program worthwile assisting.

  • @leonelmateus
    @leonelmateus Год назад +9

    Glad to see Mr Penrose in good health! He is just starting up... always exciting ideas and lucid explanations to be expected from him. I hope he keeps on and gets his books completed and published! God speed!

    • @leonelmateus
      @leonelmateus Год назад

      thanks for not interrupting him.. interviews with Krauss, Peterson and Kaku are painful to watch..

  • @JasonWalsh-q4z
    @JasonWalsh-q4z 5 месяцев назад +3

    Good job, Sir Roger Penrose.

    • @DrBrianKeating
      @DrBrianKeating  5 месяцев назад +2

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  • @salmanuel4053
    @salmanuel4053 Год назад +35

    A chance to hear Roger Penrose discuss Emperor's New Mind? I must be there. I read the book in 1990 and was forever hooked on Roger's theories and ways of thinking.

  • @Age_of_Apocalypse
    @Age_of_Apocalypse Год назад +2

    Dr. Brian Keating, many Thanks for having Sir Roger Penrose as your guest: that was a great discussion! 👍👍
    Indeed, we wish he will stay with us for many more years; he's so intelligent and interesting. That man is a treasure. 🙏

  • @dereleth1
    @dereleth1 Год назад +3

    A national treasure and one to be cherished as we have so few left in the UK now.

  • @0l_pops531
    @0l_pops531 Год назад +5

    Love Roger's grasp of scientific history

  • @billyworkman4204
    @billyworkman4204 Год назад +2

    I'm not afraid to admit that this is over my head, still mentally entertaining.

  • @justinyang5989
    @justinyang5989 Год назад +5

    Absolutely incredible! Bless and cheers to you Sir Roger Penrose!

  • @StarNumbers
    @StarNumbers Год назад +1

    Microtubules fit in the facilitation of left-right brain interaction aka Corpus Callosum. Yes, overall you are looking for the computational construct where symmetry helps a lot.

  • @aqu9923
    @aqu9923 Год назад +3

    Ever more grateful to Brian for bringing to us yet once more the most delightful conversation with whom I call Saint of Science!. Every day before sleep, I look for if there is a latest talk or presentation by Sir Penrose.
    He also looks remarkably healthy and full of energy. He got excited like children to visit the planetarium for Hawking points!
    All prayers for his long healthy life.

  • @tb-cg6vd
    @tb-cg6vd Год назад +2

    Whilst Penrose & Chomsky still draw breath I'm not giving up on immortality!! (My son lost hope when Christopher Lee popped his clogs).
    Come on Attenborough - keep churning out those wildlife docos!!

  • @the_sunlit
    @the_sunlit Год назад +2

    11:09 / 32:30 - Gödel's incompleteness theorems
    47:08 - What most captivates Roger Penrose / cosmology

  • @garanceadrosehn9691
    @garanceadrosehn9691 Год назад +8

    I was already working full time in computer-based jobs in the 1980's, and heard a few presentations about AI at the time. Many of those presentations were very frustrating to me, but I could never come up with a good way to express why I didn't like them. I read Roger's book when it was published and felt that it did a great job of looking at all the issues in the whole field of AI and what goes on when *we* think. And there have been so many other topics where I've really enjoyed the ideas that Roger has come up with. I'll always take the time to listen to another interview with him.

  • @philiprice6961
    @philiprice6961 Год назад +4

    Netflix or someone should turn 'the Road to Reality' into a twenty part series. It would rival 'Civilisation' and 'The Ascent of Man'. It really is a fascinating and remarkable book, and beautifully written.

  • @hellfire6573
    @hellfire6573 Год назад +2

    It would be so wonderful, to have a sit down and converse with Sir Roger in person..

  • @robbie_
    @robbie_ Год назад +9

    Good god. The Emperor's New Mind 5th decade? That really dates me. I read it when I was 19.

    • @joshhennen
      @joshhennen Год назад +2

      2023-1989=34 where is he coming up with 50 years?

    • @shinkyouma9058
      @shinkyouma9058 Год назад

      ​@Josh Hennen 1st decade of its existence is the 80s, 2 - 90s, 3 00s, 4 10s, 5 - 20s. It's a weird way of describing it for sure

  • @theobest4193
    @theobest4193 Год назад +2

    what a wonderful conversation. Thank you both

  • @Charity4Chokora
    @Charity4Chokora Год назад +7

    Michael Levin's work in regards to Penrose's theories of conscious mind.
    That is something that would be nice.

  • @lucamatteobarbieri2493
    @lucamatteobarbieri2493 Год назад +2

    I have not read Penrose's books but afaik drugs that affect microtubules polimerization (utilized sometimes in chemotherapy to block cell replication) dont affect conscience more than expected.

  • @JosCleland
    @JosCleland Год назад +2

    Fantastic guest (goes without saying with Sir RP), brilliantly conducted interveiw as well! Well done Dr B!

  • @mrJety89
    @mrJety89 Год назад +2

    If you are looking for quantum coherence, then your best bet would be ChISS
    Chiral-Induced Spin Selectivity.
    I am told by dr. Tour that it enables the brain to operate with 10 watts instead of 100+watts.
    It enables biomolecules to react very efficiently and with minimal friction.

  • @lucashunter4738
    @lucashunter4738 Год назад +1

    Another riveting discussion... Barely understand anything they talk about. But more than happy to sit & listen... Much ❤

  • @jamesruscheinski8602
    @jamesruscheinski8602 Год назад +2

    how does symmetry cohere quantum? is there a conserved quantity to symmetry in microtubules that coheres quantum?

  • @jamesruscheinski8602
    @jamesruscheinski8602 Год назад +3

    can symmetry in microtubules provide extra dimension for quantum coherence?

  • @penzman
    @penzman Год назад +1

    Just started listening and I hope he talks about the Hawking points he talked about not so long ago.
    What a treat, every interview with Sir Penrose is captivating.
    I always thought the Big Bang made no more sense than a bible story.
    I think that the matter was not all concentrated in a small point but ''leaked'' from something or somewhere else. A bit in the same way underground caverns develop by finding the easiest way through, the way lightning spreads and forks. Patterns repeat, the water running down the drain-hurricanes-galaxies, neurons and galaxy clusters.
    That's why I think the Hawking points thing may lead to something.

    • @callmedeno
      @callmedeno Год назад

      With roger's theory we get instead of something from nothing, an eternal something that always is and was?

    • @penzman
      @penzman Год назад

      @@callmedeno I believe his last talk motioned the possibility of matter coming from outside through precise points, Hawking points, that we should be able to find in very specific places through microwave radiation I believe.
      So, our universe would be just one pocket, or extension of something else that would expand until everything is so far apart that nothing is visible from anywhere, and add to that that everything has either burned out by then regarding stars and gas clouds or that there is no longer enough gravity anywhere to draw anything together and every
      Maybe a bunch of those pocket universes are all crammed together , like 100 balloons on a wire, all expanding, pressing against each other, and when one pops in the middle, another one takes it's place violently and suddenly when an expanded pocket/balloon reaches a certain point at the end stage of expansion, a reaction/breach causes the empty entire cold dark thinly spread universe to pour into somewhere else, again, repeating the cycle of expansion once more and on and on. There would be plenty of matter left at the end each time to repeat the cycle. I somehow now think of a comparison at the end of the expansion cycle, sucking gas from a tank through a hose by gravity, just get it started and the rest follows naturally by gravity.

  • @Quickrex
    @Quickrex Год назад

    Unbelievable how sharp his mind is at his age. I like he is honest when talking about the different theories and the interpolations, say finesse, last polish done by mathematical equations , he calls them clever tricks I think. I seen some lectures where he absolutely outshines is colleagues, especially in a discussion with sabine hossenfelder, I have to be polite I agreed to it, say no more.

  • @Theineluctable_SOME_CANT
    @Theineluctable_SOME_CANT Год назад +3

    Roger has an outstanding intellect.
    I read a bit of THE ROAD TO REALITY and it did my head in....

  • @matthewdolan5831
    @matthewdolan5831 Год назад

    Thanks; hope to hear form you again in the next one...

  • @N05Y573M
    @N05Y573M Год назад +1

    FGI, Fundamental Geometry of Information. "Reality" arises from interaction and interpretation of Information.

  • @jamesruscheinski8602
    @jamesruscheinski8602 Год назад +2

    time moves downward (acceleration) as space expands outward?

  • @LibrawLou
    @LibrawLou Год назад

    Agreed! I wish someday he talks about his handbook on the theory of everything that I've been trying understand for decades!😮

  • @jsgdk
    @jsgdk Год назад +2

    Love Roger Penrose.

  • @Topblackbird
    @Topblackbird Год назад +3

    Thank you for posting.

  • @ahmedbensebti4806
    @ahmedbensebti4806 Год назад +1

    I like Roger Penrose and Steven Hawking even if i don't share theirs beliefs but for theirs great contribution to cosmology .

  • @גבריאל-ח3י
    @גבריאל-ח3י Год назад +1

    Thanks!

    • @DrBrianKeating
      @DrBrianKeating  Год назад

      No problem!

    • @גבריאל-ח3י
      @גבריאל-ח3י Год назад

      @@DrBrianKeating I would love to see you host Professors Penrose and Al-Khalil in a special program. I think they complement each other very well.

  • @grahamdavid007
    @grahamdavid007 Год назад +2

    wow, adore that guy, read 'tenm' in my teens - just after a relativity book for young-readers! and have been passionate about much related science and engineering ever since - I was thrilled when he was deservedly awarded the Nobel Prize - he's putting that money to good use :-) I'm pretty-sure he'd agree that now we understand more about physics/cosmology Hawkins (hence his family) should be posthumously honoured for HR theory? Great vid as usual and many thanks for all you do.

  • @andyoates8392
    @andyoates8392 Год назад +10

    His description of microtubular connections to conscious creative thought processes in conjunction with instinctive reactionary behavioural action. … Pure brilliance. 💚♾️

    • @wtj11
      @wtj11 Год назад +1

      Too many words ...oof just too much

  • @steveurquell3031
    @steveurquell3031 Год назад +1

    Get Penrose to the planetarium and film it! It would be AMAZING to see his mind at work!

  • @xmlviking
    @xmlviking Год назад +2

    US President , like oh 999 out of a thousand. Love me some Sir Penrose.

  • @akpanekpo6025
    @akpanekpo6025 Год назад +2

    Can someone explain why I can't stop listening to these top scientists despite my inability to comprehend a single word of what they're saying?

  • @geoffreynhill2833
    @geoffreynhill2833 Год назад +3

    "Consciousness transcends computation!" 👍 (Green Fire, UK) 🌈🦉

  • @sebastianclarke2441
    @sebastianclarke2441 Год назад +3

    ​I would have loved to hear Rogers thoughts on the new Einstein shape, a newly discovered single piece aperiodic tile

  • @PinyataSpirit
    @PinyataSpirit Год назад +1

    An erroneous assumption about counciousness is considering language as fundamental. Thats observable on people with disconnected brain hemispheres: sending separate signals to each eye produces a conscious response and another one, wich is felt automatic(both responses ocurring simultaneously), but is just the hemisphere with no language capabilities, so you can extrapolate we have more than one conciousness but we associate ourself to the linguistic brain hemisphere but in reality there are more selves wich dont use language

  • @peterst.8473
    @peterst.8473 Год назад +1

    A Genius and a humble giant.

  • @SernasHeptaDimesionalSpace
    @SernasHeptaDimesionalSpace Год назад +1

    every thing is entangled so the time we match the small and the big then you guys will make sense.

  • @guynouri
    @guynouri Год назад

    Symmetry only needs a point not a line not does it necessarily require a center certainly not a static center that presides at the middle

    • @guynouri
      @guynouri Год назад

      Thanks for painting lines on a N dimensional playing fields

  • @davidrandell2224
    @davidrandell2224 Год назад +1

    Imagine the earth approaching- expanding at 16 feet per second per second constant acceleration- the released object: gravity. Too simple for the modern brain. “The truth seldom convinces the opponent, it merely outlives them.” Max Planck. “The Final Theory: Rethinking Our Scientific Legacy “, Mark McCutcheon.

  • @jamesruscheinski8602
    @jamesruscheinski8602 Год назад +1

    what is reason that more than computation is going for thought in human brain?

  • @sakismpalatsias4106
    @sakismpalatsias4106 Год назад

    On top of gravitational waves, from.a previous universe, from pre big bang. Should we be able to find neutrinos that are decoupled into their separate flavours? If they are that decoupled they should be separated from each other from a certain amount of distance.
    It's theorised that the flavours of neutrinos decouple (decoherent) after a certain amount of time.

  • @verdi2310
    @verdi2310 Год назад

    May you live forever.

  • @johngrundowski3632
    @johngrundowski3632 Год назад +1

    Great program ; always feel optimistic about research with such inquisitive minds at work✨ THANKS

  • @Xavyer13
    @Xavyer13 Год назад

    what a great talk, i hope he gets to see the projection thingy they were talking about at the end, sounds quite pretty

  • @darwinlaluna3677
    @darwinlaluna3677 9 месяцев назад

    Have a great day both of you

  • @eonasjohn
    @eonasjohn Год назад

    Thank you very much for the podcast.

  • @grahamdavid007
    @grahamdavid007 Год назад +4

    BUT I wished you'd ask for his thoughts on GPT4 / GPTx

    • @jolsky11
      @jolsky11 Год назад +1

      This is 3 years old.

  • @alex79suited
    @alex79suited Год назад

    The Legend Prof. Penrose.

  • @chadriffs
    @chadriffs Год назад

    At every scale is every scale which means it's all one scale or all one cyclic fractal holographic...? Roger compared the final expansion with the big bang in scale in the Conformal theory I believe.

  • @jamesruscheinski8602
    @jamesruscheinski8602 Год назад

    does choice require consciousness? if computers or AI could cognitively learn to make choice(s), would have developed consciousness? when a choice is made, what happens in human brain cognitively and consciously?

  • @jamesruscheinski8602
    @jamesruscheinski8602 Год назад +1

    does logic go beyond mathematics and computation?

  • @helicopter_traffic
    @helicopter_traffic Год назад

    was NOT expecting this

  • @amyclea
    @amyclea Год назад +2

    An uplifting interview.

  • @Achrononmaster
    @Achrononmaster Год назад +1

    @14:00 it's not the "complex numbers" that make twistors a good bridge between GR and QM, after-all, Clifford spacetime algebra has that and more, rather what twisters show is that quantum mechanics is only exactly defined on the holographic boundary, which for de Sitter space is the celestial sphere (or "stretched horizon"). The meaning of this is basic: QM only makes physical sense "far" from a measurement (so 5 - 10 m or so a-ways at the LHC ;-), and QM only makes total sense therefore at the boundaries (measurements are defined by a partial spacetime cobordism). You could say QM only makes _total absolute sense_ then at the spacetime boundaries, which for us is the celestial sphere (where the twistors "live" so-to-speak).
    This is nothing too profound, Susskind already knows this, he just thinks of it backwards, he thinks the hologram is "more fundamental", but it's not imho. Arkani-Hamed "knows" this too, the amplituhedron formalism is just modernized S-matrix program --- you have to go to asymptotics to define a proper QFT/QM.

  • @goldwhitedragon
    @goldwhitedragon Год назад

    Could you interview Chris Langan, creator of the CTMU?

  • @alex79suited
    @alex79suited Год назад

    Great video Boys, one of my new Favs, Penrose is quite the gentleman. I like him. 👍. I just had a peak at Twister theory yest. Interesting. Peace ✌️

  • @albin2232
    @albin2232 2 месяца назад

    The brain is not the seat of consciousness. It is merely an interface for the non-material to link with the material

  • @gerardbiddle1808
    @gerardbiddle1808 Год назад

    Perpetual Motion Machine? 50:20

  • @FreeLevant-b1d
    @FreeLevant-b1d Год назад

    Is that a repost of an old video?

  • @darwinlaluna3677
    @darwinlaluna3677 Год назад

    Do u see how i angle my phone?

  • @arandomguyontheinternet756
    @arandomguyontheinternet756 Год назад +24

    this is a video from 3 years ago
    Edit: Thats not to say that Penrose isn't worth listening to. I just expected something new.

    • @notanemoprog
      @notanemoprog Год назад +7

      Doesn't matter in a block universe

    • @jaymanier7286
      @jaymanier7286 Год назад +5

      You're a video from 3 years ago.

    • @arandomguyontheinternet756
      @arandomguyontheinternet756 Год назад +1

      ​@@jaymanier7286 It is, look it up, it was posted on Arthur C. Clarke institute channel

    • @JamesCairney
      @JamesCairney Год назад +2

      ​@@arandomguyontheinternet756 it was still worth watching. Im not worried about it.

    • @arandomguyontheinternet756
      @arandomguyontheinternet756 Год назад +1

      ​@@JamesCairney indeed, penrose is a legend

  • @jamesruscheinski8602
    @jamesruscheinski8602 Год назад

    what does falsifiable mean?

  • @stegemme
    @stegemme Год назад

    you want a diverse physicist then interview David Deutsch. I love science and people like Roger who push it forward

  • @lucamatteobarbieri2493
    @lucamatteobarbieri2493 Год назад +1

    the conformal cyclic cosmology is exiting

  • @jamesruscheinski8602
    @jamesruscheinski8602 Год назад

    might cosmological constant happen from gravity?

  • @sonarbangla8711
    @sonarbangla8711 Год назад

    I read the book when it first appeared, but never understood how to identify a dud (bombs that doesn't work).

  • @darwinlaluna3677
    @darwinlaluna3677 Год назад

    Thank you

  • @jamesruscheinski8602
    @jamesruscheinski8602 Год назад +1

    why can microtubules cohere quantum in brain?

    • @donnievance1942
      @donnievance1942 Год назад

      Why does addition jump red? Maybe you should stop spamming inchorent gibberish.

  • @benjaminandersson2572
    @benjaminandersson2572 Год назад +1

    This is an old interview, I believe.

  • @darwinlaluna3677
    @darwinlaluna3677 Год назад

    Both of u sir’s have a good night, my highest respect bye

  • @stockinvestor1
    @stockinvestor1 Год назад +1

    very good interview :)

  • @MrHenkfromHolland
    @MrHenkfromHolland Год назад +1

    In Dutch
    In de geest van de keizer.

  • @vdlzts.
    @vdlzts. Год назад

    and oberving consciousness through mathematics, let's say on a full correct model, what does really tell us?: that is not 'divine' or given by some external intelligence? or maybe that Math will replace that chair? Modeling the brain activity is one thing,. Making it Understand the Universe is a complete diferent one.

  • @OfficialGOD
    @OfficialGOD Год назад +3

    Whoa another one

  • @adriaticbatman
    @adriaticbatman Год назад

    Still waiting for you to get Dr Robert Lanza on.....

  • @medhurstt
    @medhurstt Год назад +1

    I think Sir Roger will be proven wrong about his ideas centred on quantum effects in microtubules if and when the neural network based AIs become conscious. That will be a whole controversy in itself of course with many people denying its happened because there is no way of knowing for sure.

    • @richardatkinson4710
      @richardatkinson4710 8 месяцев назад

      It won’t happen for the same reason that Sir Roger is mistaken: you can’t get an ought (or a wish, a love, a grief, a joy) from an is.

    • @medhurstt
      @medhurstt 8 месяцев назад

      @@richardatkinson4710 Emotions dont define consciousness IMO. They define human consciousness maybe.

  • @jamesruscheinski8602
    @jamesruscheinski8602 Год назад +2

    might mathematics describe consciousness as energy?