As someone who regularly delivers to RDC's, I can sat with certainty that they don't "run like clockwork". I usually get 2 to 3 hours sleep during my work day just from waiting around at these places lol
Brilliant idea you don't want any accidents.that one accident was one to many. Just hope that man was ok.take care and please keep safe at all times philip. 🇬🇧
As someone who used to work for this Company, this video is interesting. I didn’t work in distribution , but this gives an insight into the potential hazards of working in this side of the business. Many people won’t realise just how hazardous these roles can be.
Personally I would put pneumatic lift bollards in front of the vehicle/trailer. These would raise on an activation of the red light. Until the warehouse person releases the red light, the bollards will then lower. The vehicle is going no where whether by shunter or driver, or even release from the service desk. Keys in hand or not. This way the vehicle movement off the bay is totally in the warehouse person's hands.
Even on a green light i will always check the back of the lorry before pulling off the bay someone could accidentally put the green light on you never know.
Depends on the door system the warehouse uses. At mine we can't green light the driver if the door is open, the keys also go on the bay door so if its up you can't get to em. The doors also won't open if the outside light is on green.
Many drivers have a set of spare keys so they can come and go between the goods in office and their cabs. With their spare keys they can lock and unlock their cabs, good for security and switch the ignition on to use certain in cab electrical items. It has been known for drivers to forget they are using their spare keys, drive off and leave the depot leaving their original keys behind. The only failsafe is a physical device such as Dock-lock, a device that sits on the floor outside the dock that raises a lock bar between the trailer wheels physically preventing the vehicle from moving. Another device raises a lock bar under the rear under-run bar of the trailer. An easier option would be to create a small safe standing area on the dock by the door at the rear of their trailer where the driver has to stand whilst the dock door is open, the dock leveller is in place and the vehicle is being unloaded. My idea is once backed on the bay the driver hands his keys in and is handed a dock key which is required for the dock door to be raised and unloading operations to begin. This requires the driver to be present at the rear of his vehicle whilst unloading is being carried out. Once completed, the dock door closed, the dock key returned to the driver, the driver returns to the goods in office whilst his load is been checked and waits for his paperwork. If there any returns to be put back on the vehicle the driver returns with his dock key to enable this. Once completed, the driver hands in the dock key in exchange for his vehicle keys and paperwork.
I wouldn't want to be standing at the back of my trailer while it's being loaded at some places I've gone, the longest wait I had was 7 hours on the bay from the 1st pallet to the 26th
@@mojothejester9889 yeah agreed this is a shit idea Tesco's idea is also a shite idea as it locks a driver out his cab and makes him sit in shit conditions like a prisoner most of the time for hours its very easy to resolve but the companies don't want to spend money in the rdc's train depos use a system called a de railer its a mechanical device designed to derail a train if it tries to move into the shed / depot while people are working on it each person has a key fob or just a small issued padlock that goes onto an isolation board for the 25kv overhead and the derailer the same couls be applied on any loading bay under run grab / hydraulic wheel locks/chocks driver uncouples from the trailer and pulls forward depot staff or driver applies a 5th wheel lock all options with a key fob or a physical key that needs to be applied to the bay door for it to be opened (same as tesco but at the physical door) this then locks the drivers key on the outside and wont unlock it until the bay door is closed this then makes sure the driver cannot pull off and also benefits the driver by leaving him/her in peace with the comforts of the cab also if you had to do it very cheaply or minimizing the spend for the rdc 5th wheel locks and a physical key system would be very cheaply installed on all existing door systems
To make this system affective Tesco have actually had to order their trailers without shunt valves !!!!!! But as I say the shunters can still drag the trailer anyway
If the keys are hung on the inside of the bay door then they are clearly visible to the unloader so they can be confident that the vehicle cannot be moved off the bay. The keys are also unavailable to anyone until the door is closed. When the keys are handed in the clerk should pass them to the person who will be working inside the trailer. They hang them on the door. When the work in the trailer is finished the person who closes the door returns the keys to the clerk, so they can return them to the driver. Why is this not standard practice?
way not fit a monitor for the bay on the outside so the driver can check before pulling forward. this way he can go to the back and check his doors are shut before pulling forward to do his check. it also means he is responsible to check, and he can see the progress of the procedure.
All very well. Wait for the green light and check..... Keys now go in to a coded box..... Drivers are treated like lepers.. Not allowed to use the proper canteen. Scabby sandwiches in an often not working vending machine. Not many drivers like going to Any Retail Distribution Centre... ... .
Hated putting in keys to sit and wait in a smelly dirty waiting room. Stopping in the cab, having a nap much better. Strange how you can be trusted to drive there, but not keep still when you get there. So why not drop the trailer and pull forward? Then the driver has home comforts, can rest, and give him a knock when the trailer can be hooked up again. How hard can it be?
The best safety in my eyes is when you back up to a bay unhook the trailer and pull away, and when and only when the trailer as been loaded/unload and bay door is down and ramp removed can you then hook up
Who wants to uncouple and couple the same trailer just because RDCs don't want to spend money on THE safest option? Don't talk daft. The best system is the automated wheel chocks that operate and lock the trailer wheel in place when the red light goes on and door opens. Driver can stay in his cab listening to the radio or making a brew and even if he tried to drive off he can't as the wheels barred from moving. Dropping a trailers great until some dopey loader puts all the weight over the pin and the trailer takes a nose dive over the legs .... forgot that bit didn't you.
Forget all that new stuff which is great but What part of a red light does a driver not get that it means you don't pull the trailer off the door l learned this even when l was a novice
Just noticed a powered pallet loader going onto a trailer backwards, if the trailer had pallet securing bars the loader would have driven straight into the bar with a potential death.
The only thing about the whole system that I find annoying is that companies don't trust the wagon drivers. Wagon drivers, in the main, are professionals that take pride in their work. They are also the most targetted in terms of safety. It doesn't take long for an unsafe driver to be found out and does something that could compromise the safety of others. Once the unsafe actions are identified then the driver is either retrained or faces the loss of their licence.
I don't get it ..the first thing that comes into my head when pulling off a door is is it safe to pull this trailer off the door....its as if the drivers are numptys and we don't trust them....
Good idea, now stop having drivers waiting for hours to unload and give them somewhere decent to wait ,toilet and a microwave go a long way a screen that puts up you number to say you are OK to go This goes to all RDCs PS if they take the piss with your new facility, shut it down and give them a damp porta cabin. A warning and a view of it ,the porta cab , will soon keep it tidy. ..
sadly it happens remember drivers are on a very strict time limit and have to make every second count some wait 7/8 hours to be unloaded the industry is flawed
Red light or no red light l would make sure that it was safe to pull the trailer off the door even if it meant going into the warehouse and checking everything was clear regarding the trailer....common sense ffs...
@@Rush-gz9sx Not only that. If there is a mixed pallet, they want you to split it down for them. I delivered there this morning. I relented after saying I wouldn't do it again. Told my gaffer that's the last fucking time. I'm not there to sort out their goods for them. How the fuck LIDL and ALDI get away with it I'll never know.
@@adammoorby99 They help the back door staff if one is present, my point being Tesco only stick to H&S when its easy to do so any other time you are expected to forget it, if you don't you are the trouble maker.....
What a waste of money! Anyone with any sense would hang the keys on the back of the door so they're 20ft off the ground when unloading. When the door is down the keys are accessible again.
This is what my work does, driver hands in keys and we take them from the goods in office and put em on the bay door hook. No one is getting them back till the door is closed. Only time we unload keyless is when it's a delivery from another depo and just the trailer is parked on bay.
Until these RDC's start providing proper facilities,stop treating drivers like shit and begin tipping loads in a reasonable timeframe then there's always going to be problems. Massive purpose built warehouses with all the equipment and I could tip a full load quicker by handball.The places are are run by fools.
As someone who regularly delivers to RDC's, I can sat with certainty that they don't "run like clockwork". I usually get 2 to 3 hours sleep during my work day just from waiting around at these places lol
Theres usually 4-5 other trailers on the bay to be unloaded
"Everything needs to run like clockwork, The process usually runs smoothly" Best laugh I've had in ages.
Brilliant idea you don't want any accidents.that one accident was one to many. Just hope that man was ok.take care and please keep safe at all times philip. 🇬🇧
As someone who used to work for this Company, this video is interesting. I didn’t work in distribution , but this gives an insight into the potential hazards of working in this side of the business. Many people won’t realise just how hazardous these roles can be.
Personally I would put pneumatic lift bollards in front of the vehicle/trailer. These would raise on an activation of the red light. Until the warehouse person releases the red light, the bollards will then lower. The vehicle is going no where whether by shunter or driver, or even release from the service desk. Keys in hand or not. This way the vehicle movement off the bay is totally in the warehouse person's hands.
Spot on. And the driver can stay and enjoy his own cab instead of sitting in a stinking filthy room
Even on a green light i will always check the back of the lorry before pulling off the bay someone could accidentally put the green light on you never know.
Depends on the door system the warehouse uses. At mine we can't green light the driver if the door is open, the keys also go on the bay door so if its up you can't get to em. The doors also won't open if the outside light is on green.
@@DONK8008 thats a good system they should all be like that but unfortunately not all are
Many drivers have a set of spare keys so they can come and go between the goods in office and their cabs. With their spare keys they can lock and unlock their cabs, good for security and switch the ignition on to use certain in cab electrical items. It has been known for drivers to forget they are using their spare keys, drive off and leave the depot leaving their original keys behind. The only failsafe is a physical device such as Dock-lock, a device that sits on the floor outside the dock that raises a lock bar between the trailer wheels physically preventing the vehicle from moving. Another device raises a lock bar under the rear under-run bar of the trailer. An easier option would be to create a small safe standing area on the dock by the door at the rear of their trailer where the driver has to stand whilst the dock door is open, the dock leveller is in place and the vehicle is being unloaded. My idea is once backed on the bay the driver hands his keys in and is handed a dock key which is required for the dock door to be raised and unloading operations to begin. This requires the driver to be present at the rear of his vehicle whilst unloading is being carried out. Once completed, the dock door closed, the dock key returned to the driver, the driver returns to the goods in office whilst his load is been checked and waits for his paperwork. If there any returns to be put back on the vehicle the driver returns with his dock key to enable this. Once completed, the driver hands in the dock key in exchange for his vehicle keys and paperwork.
I wouldn't want to be standing at the back of my trailer while it's being loaded at some places I've gone, the longest wait I had was 7 hours on the bay from the 1st pallet to the 26th
@@mojothejester9889 yeah agreed this is a shit idea
Tesco's idea is also a shite idea as it locks a driver out his cab and makes him sit in shit conditions like a prisoner most of the time for hours
its very easy to resolve but the companies don't want to spend money in the rdc's
train depos use a system called a de railer its a mechanical device designed to derail a train if it tries to move into the shed / depot while people are working on it each person has a key fob or just a small issued padlock that goes onto an isolation board for the 25kv overhead and the derailer the same couls be applied on any loading bay
under run grab / hydraulic wheel locks/chocks
driver uncouples from the trailer and pulls forward depot staff or driver applies a 5th wheel lock
all options with a key fob or a physical key that needs to be applied to the bay door for it to be opened (same as tesco but at the physical door)
this then locks the drivers key on the outside and wont unlock it until the bay door is closed
this then makes sure the driver cannot pull off and also benefits the driver by leaving him/her in peace with the comforts of the cab
also if you had to do it very cheaply or minimizing the spend for the rdc
5th wheel locks and a physical key system would be very cheaply installed on all existing door systems
Or just use a suzie lock!
To make this system affective Tesco have actually had to order their trailers without shunt valves !!!!!! But as I say the shunters can still drag the trailer anyway
If the keys are hung on the inside of the bay door then they are clearly visible to the unloader so they can be confident that the vehicle cannot be moved off the bay.
The keys are also unavailable to anyone until the door is closed.
When the keys are handed in the clerk should pass them to the person who will be working inside the trailer.
They hang them on the door.
When the work in the trailer is finished the person who closes the door returns the keys to the clerk, so they can return them to the driver.
Why is this not standard practice?
way not fit a monitor for the bay on the outside so the driver can check before pulling forward.
this way he can go to the back and check his doors are shut before pulling forward to do his check.
it also means he is responsible to check, and he can see the progress of the procedure.
All very well. Wait for the green light and check..... Keys now go in to a coded box..... Drivers are treated like lepers.. Not allowed to use the proper canteen. Scabby sandwiches in an often not working vending machine. Not many drivers like going to Any Retail Distribution Centre...
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Hated putting in keys to sit and wait in a smelly dirty waiting room. Stopping in the cab, having a nap much better.
Strange how you can be trusted to drive there, but not keep still when you get there. So why not drop the trailer and pull forward?
Then the driver has home comforts, can rest, and give him a knock when the trailer can be hooked up again. How hard can it be?
Too hard for Tesco
Very good - should be a minimum industry standard
The best safety in my eyes is when you back up to a bay unhook the trailer and pull away, and when and only when the trailer as been loaded/unload and bay door is down and ramp removed can you then hook up
If the driver has access to couple the trailer he has access to move the unit. Not fail safe.
Who wants to uncouple and couple the same trailer just because RDCs don't want to spend money on THE safest option? Don't talk daft.
The best system is the automated wheel chocks that operate and lock the trailer wheel in place when the red light goes on and door opens.
Driver can stay in his cab listening to the radio or making a brew and even if he tried to drive off he can't as the wheels barred from moving.
Dropping a trailers great until some dopey loader puts all the weight over the pin and the trailer takes a nose dive over the legs .... forgot that bit didn't you.
@@Rush-gz9sx so you've never hooked up to a loaded trailer then,
@@Rush-gz9sx I've been to a few companies whose policy is to unhook whilst the trailer was being unloaded, and park the unit up
@@Rush-gz9sx and you think those automated chocks can stop a truck from pulling away,
Forget all that new stuff which is great but What part of a red light does a driver not get that it means you don't pull the trailer off the door l learned this even when l was a novice
We also can’t open the door or inflate any seals until the keys are in
Why isn’t the bay door mechanically linked to a tall rising bollard in front of the truck?
Better electrically linked to the red light as this appears to be what drivers don't see when hurrying to get on the road.
Money, probably. Some RDCs have a couple of hundred bays. Pretty expensive to put a rising bollard in front of every one.
The only thing that can happen is human error, 'we' are all responsible for our own safety wherever we are, working or not.
Well management stobarts have the very best driver called MR DIXON
Just noticed a powered pallet loader going onto a trailer backwards, if the trailer had pallet securing bars the loader would have driven straight into the bar with a potential death.
I think the people unloading the trailer should carry the truck keys, so then they can only leave once they’re actually properly finished
At mine they go on the bay door. So if the door is open no one can get to them.
Run like clockwork my arse. Tescos are the slowest RDCs in Britain.
good old tesco x
The only thing about the whole system that I find annoying is that companies don't trust the wagon drivers. Wagon drivers, in the main, are professionals that take pride in their work. They are also the most targetted in terms of safety. It doesn't take long for an unsafe driver to be found out and does something that could compromise the safety of others. Once the unsafe actions are identified then the driver is either retrained or faces the loss of their licence.
I don't get it ..the first thing that comes into my head when pulling off a door is is it safe to pull this trailer off the door....its as if the drivers are numptys and we don't trust them....
Good idea, now stop having drivers waiting for hours to unload and give them somewhere decent to wait ,toilet and a microwave go a long way a screen that puts up you number to say you are OK to go This goes to all RDCs
PS if they take the piss with your new facility, shut it down and give them a damp porta cabin.
A warning and a view of it ,the porta cab , will soon keep it tidy. ..
I can't believe drivers do this
sadly it happens remember drivers are on a very strict time limit and have to make every second count some wait 7/8 hours to be unloaded the industry is flawed
even better have a barrier at the front of the truck
Erm just plug the thingy in and give keys to driver. It will happen
He might have been given his keys back but you know not to pull off on a red light at these places. You at least go back and question it.
Red light or no red light l would make sure that it was safe to pull the trailer off the door even if it meant going into the warehouse and checking everything was clear regarding the trailer....common sense ffs...
I have 2 sets of keys, sorry Tescos.
I used an old Volvo key from a scrap yard. Fuck em
just do like LIDL, the driver offloads his own vehicle. he is no gonna drive away on himself is he/she?convenient and quick for the driver too.
I become a driver because I don't wanna drag pallets, end of. The company supposed to tip their fuckin' goods.
That's ok if the driver of employed by the company and A is insured to off load and has passed the relevant m h e driving test
Go fuck yourself. I didn't get a Class 1 and go to work to save Lidl money so your beans are 3p cheaper.
@@Rush-gz9sx Not only that. If there is a mixed pallet, they want you to split it down for them. I delivered there this morning. I relented after saying I wouldn't do it again. Told my gaffer that's the last fucking time. I'm not there to sort out their goods for them. How the fuck LIDL and ALDI get away with it I'll never know.
BRING FH4500 TO YOUR YARD FROM STOBARTS
If Tesco we're serious about health and safety this would have been rolled out across the stores too.......but hey it hasn't....
The driver unloads the trailers at stores though don’t they?
@@adammoorby99 They help the back door staff if one is present, my point being Tesco only stick to H&S when its easy to do so any other time you are expected to forget it, if you don't you are the trouble maker.....
@@tanyano9 tbh i work for tesco so can’t really say much bad about them
@@adammoorby99 ok...I did 18 years before getting made redundant, which DC you at ..?
@@tanyano9 donny
Give lorry keys to loader problem solved.
What a waste of money! Anyone with any sense would hang the keys on the back of the door so they're 20ft off the ground when unloading. When the door is down the keys are accessible again.
This is what my work does, driver hands in keys and we take them from the goods in office and put em on the bay door hook. No one is getting them back till the door is closed. Only time we unload keyless is when it's a delivery from another depo and just the trailer is parked on bay.
The lorry featured in this video is YP59 BZB, a Mercedes-Benz Axor MP2 Sleeper 1840 PowerShift. It is filmed at the Hinckley RDC.
Your point being?
and????
Very good point is
Do you train spot too?
@@Rush-gz9sx Sometimes.
Until these RDC's start providing proper facilities,stop treating drivers like shit and begin tipping loads in a reasonable timeframe then there's always going to be problems.
Massive purpose built warehouses with all the equipment and I could tip a full load quicker by handball.The places are are run by fools.
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