WULFF DEN was WRONG about the RG405M
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- Опубликовано: 7 авг 2024
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00:00 - Wulff Den was wrong
00:18 - Bad Android build on RG405M
00:52 - Retroid's Android benefits
01:10 - Frontend recommendations
01:26 - Screen comparison
02:00 - HDMI output hack
02:27 - Why, Anbernic, why?!
03:10 - The ergonomic compromise
03:31 - Moaning about shoulder buttons
04:13 - Aesthetics
05:23 - Weight comparison
05:36 - Screen brightness test
06:19 - Audio test
07:33 - Button comparison
09:33 - NB: THE BUTTON LAYOUT!!!
09:41 - Steamlink testing
10:03 - Battery life test on RG405M
10:39 - BEST RG405M Feature (Not performance)
12:52 - Performance on the Anbernic RG405M
13:26 - So am I just clickbaiting you? EXPLICIT
13:55 - RG405M vs Retroid Pocket 3+ Summary
14:34 - The RG405M Value Proposition vs AYN Odin Lite
15:51 - The VERDICT
WULFF DEN was WRONG about the RG405M 
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The lower resolution of the RG405M matches the CRT TV's resolution. Retro games have never been so beautiful on this device. It also does save resources for better performance. It's a win for the RG405M and actually the reason why I picked it over the RP3+.
+1 screen size and ratio is the only reason I picked RG405M
That's right !
old consoles tend to output an even lower resolution than regular PAL or NTSC, so if you want pixel perfect upscale, the Retroid Pocket 3+ actually utilizes more of the screen than the RG405M while still having a perfect picture. (It's just how the math works in which a full upscale happens to fill the screen more for that particular resolution)
@@tosvus they still output in 4:3 though. like unless you really care about PSP or native android games I really don't see the point for anything other than a 4:3 screen. vast majority of consoles you'll be emulating will be 4:3....
Another big thing is the more pixels there are, the more battery is generally used. If you are playing a 480x600 game usually, why burn the juice of 3x those pixels with a 1080p or the like screen?
Why did this have to be a "other youtuber was wrong" video and not just a comparison review
Honestly, because I had an ageing device and I needed to make a video about it and tried to think of a way to make it more engaging. Playing that RUclips game…
🍼 dropped this
@@adinwalls
A cat wearing makeup holding the console should do the trick.
Make sure it is a _male_ cat for extra points...
@@adamkane7513 well… I could cross dress for the next video? Maybe redo my intro sequence wearing a boob tube?
Because he was wrong 😂 plain and simple bob has some terrible takes
The 4:3 screen sold me on the 405m.
RG405M IS A HELL OF A CONSOLE. I GOT IT AND HAD OTHERS AND IT KICK ASSSSS...
people have such a hard-on for widescreen when these games were built for 4:3 in the first place
I always have a hard on for screens
for me personally, I consider the rg405m as more of a pocket friendly daily driver compared to the rp3+ which is more of a complete gaming handheld, also special request for hot chocolate and marshmallows in the next video ☕
Yes I feel the Retroid has a more complete and serious approach to it being made. And if I HAVE to drink hot choc and marshmallows next time I will have to! Just remind me to give you a shoutout.
Honestly, I don't have the RG405M. But I understand the feeling of wanting a "pocket friendly daily driver". I have a Retroid Pocket 2+, and while I DO like it, it's a tad bigger, and it has analog sticks and triggers that get caught on things if you don't have a case for it. So I went and bought a Miyoo Mini Plus specifically as something that's more comfortable to carry around with me. It's smaller, and there's no sticks to get caught on things, and even the shoulder buttons have a flat edge that lines up with the battery-section so the whole back is flat too.
It's nice having a more powerful handheld for normal use. But it's also nice having something a bit cheaper and smaller that you can just carry around outside and not worry as much about it catching on stuff, or about the shell getting a little scratched up.
+1 I have RG405M and RP3, but the form factor and screen ratio of the RG405M is just perfect for me. No more black bars when playing retro games :)
The whole idea of the 640 x 480 4:3 screen on the RG405M is that it matches retro systems better. We are talking retro handhelds right? Dreamcast, Gamecube, PS2, were all 640 x 480 resolution so it matches 1:1 pixel mapping perfectly. Other systems like PS1, Neo Geo, Genesis, N64, arcade etc? Those were all 320x240 or very close so again it is an even 2X integer scale. PS1 at 2X resolution internal render is a perfect integer 2X at 640 x 480. The RP3+ is a weird resolution and non retro friendly aspect ratio that does not go into any retro systems evenly. That means odd uneven pixel scaling filtering and stretching that makes many games look soft, or often makes pixel art look just plain ugly. The "bigger" screen on the RP3+ really does not give a bigger image when playing 4:3 content either, it just makes the unit bulkier. Higher resolution is not always better when it comes to emulation. So yes there are some things better about the RP3+ but it is not a clear winner depending on someone's use case.
Hmmmm... which one do i want to play retro consoles one
Cheap plastic feeling handheld with 16x9 screen, or Metal premium feeling handheld with 4x3 screen
Just my observations the RP3+ deff has better aesthetics and those trigger buttons but RG405M with Gamma seems hard to beat, look at the size of the thing! It's tiny compared to RP3+ and 4:3 screen is more appealing for old-school. If I were to pick up 1 of these today it would probably be the 405. That said realistically I think i'll just wait a year and see what comes out, I currently have a 2DSXL that I am using for emulation.
The resolution is due to the majority of games being played on this hand held are in 4:3 aspect. That way you fill the whole screen with no black bars and don't which helps keep the size of the system down.
The biggest problem is over sharpening, which is fixed by gamma. I ordered one during the sale and plan to add gamma os to the device.
GammaOS is definitely a winner on this device.
I really appreciate your analysis and sensibilities with regards to the current retro gaming scene and I love the visual style of your YT videos. Thank you!
Hey man I really appreciate that
Did you appreciate his click bait title calling a much bigger RUclipsr wrong in order to attract click bait views?
hey it got us watching. i appreciate the hustle. i can tell adin's got a lot of love for wulfdenn@@MysticGohan01
I am curious about your comment on performance.
Ive heard that typically the 405m on stockOS actually performs worse than retroids version of Android when it comes to GameCube and PS2.
And only after updating to Gamma, does the 405m fall in line with the RP3+ but never exceeds it.
I would love to see A/B comparisons of the two running the same games but with all latest updates installed on each device.
I don’t know man, I just found the Anbernic performing a bit better with PS2 and GameCube.
It never exceeds it, but neither does the rp3+ exceed the 405m. Same chip, neck and neck. And I only play 4:3 games in original aspect ratio so choosing the retroid would be a bad move for me
If the rp3 had the stick up top itd be perfect considering the power of its chup
I think the 405m is the best build quality of any device I’ve ever owned. It feels absolutely phenomenal in hand. But I still would recommend the rp3+ over it because the 16:9 screen is better for DS and psp games. And the black bars for all others isn’t bad at all. What is bad is trying to play DS and psp games on a 4:3 screen.
Thanks for the comment. Yup, the RG405M is pretty solid but I just feel the RP3+ metal has the edge.
the stick layout and overall form factor of the 405m just takes the cake for me.
Yes I was making light of the control layout but it is a factor for some people
Great job on your video and the editing! I noticed in another RUclips video that the only difference between Normal PPSSPP and Gold PPSSPP is the icon. You can donate to the developers with Gold PPSSPP, but both versions are essentially the same. However, I'm not entirely certain about this.
Ya I don’t know. it could be. It’s nice to know I made a small contribution to the devs.
Just wanted to point it out since I don’t see many others making this point either. But you can Screen Cast the RG405m to your TV. You should also be able to do that with the Retroid Pocket 3+. A comparison of that maybe in a short would be awesome.
I tried it and it didn’t work well so I didn’t bother including it.
Screen cast is TERRIBLE for playing emulated games! Way too much lag to be usuable
Upgraded to 405m from RP3 (not 3+.) More power and no more black bars. Android and PSP are my only non 4:3 games.
I agree, at least when it comes to the metal version of the rp3+ that the two tone colors they chose wasn't appealing. Maybe if they chose another color but im content with the clear blue plastic rp3+. The clear blue looks so good in person and I've noticed that when it comes to plastic vs metal even though it may look and feel cheaper i prefer plastic models. Idk, they wont't feel almost slippery and they won't feel as warm or hot as metal ones get.
I hear you, I actually converted my clear blue to the metal and added the hall sticks and I’m not convinced I prefer it!
Little scared of the retroid as my retroid pocket 2+ didnt age well, but that seems to be a common thread. I do really like the slightly more pocketable size and weight of the anbernic. Wish I could test drive them both!
Do not be afraid 😀 Retroid are making big improvements to quality with every new iteration.
I have both, and I definitely give the edge to the RP3+. The screen is so much better
Hi since you have both can you please tell me which device runs gamecube games better
@@blown9079 RP3+ is better out the box. I think it became about even when I installed GammaOS (assuming you match resolution). I ended up selling my RG405M since I ended up not really using it…even after installing GammaOS.
I have literally the opposite experience. Better performance on PS2 and GameCube on the RG405M with GammaOS
I cant decide if i should go for the rp3+ or the 405m, screen resolution is a big deal for me. I'll be playing mostly n64 and ps1 games on it, is there a big difference in terms of resolution?
For N64 and PS1 I definitely recommend the RG405M due to the aspect ratio and you don’t really need very good trigger buttons.
@@adinwalls but what about the screen resolution? Is is gonna make a big difference between the two?
Only a very small amount. Barely noticeable.
For me personally i've picked RP3+ for 16:9 screen and triggers. Its just better experience for PSP games and streaming. While still being decent for 4:3 games
Is there a coneniant ROM pack to download ??
great video! there must be something wrong with your streaming setup though because my experience streaming on my RP3+ has been fantastic
Yes I need to sort it out! Thanks for checking out my vid.
I bought the 405m because of the aspect ratio and lower resolution. I want to play the games as close as possible to how I first experienced them. I stick a pal filter over the top to give it an old TV feel.
I don't want a higher resolution or a wider aspect ratio with black bars as I don't think it can provide a better retro experience.
Weird, my RG405m does not rattle. At all. RP3+ is great and can be an all rounder but pocketability is awesome on the 405m. I have a Miyoo Mini Plus and the convenience of having it all the time because it doesn't take up much space is great. That's a major selling point for me. I was considering the RG505 OR the RP2s before and ended up with the 405m because of portability reasons. The screen is ok but it could be better, 4 inches is good but I wish it were 3:2 so to better make use of PSP performance. The biggest deal breaker for me is that retroid devices in my country are overpriced to the moon. Anbernics are just a little bit cheaper. Like retail price plus shipping and a few extra for profit/taxes. But not as much as an RP3+ where it costs over $200. So it was a no for me. Loving my 405m btw
After getting my hands on the RG405M, gotta say I was not as plussed with it as I thought I'd be. First off, I didn't know it was Droid only. Oops. Secondly, had I known that, I would have spent the ...exact same money on the RG552, which has a bit more juice, and a lot more flexible display, and importantly, has a dual boot option in case you, you know. WANT to run Linux for some reason. If I want a Droid only system with even more juice, I woulda just paid less for the RP3+. I think my hands would appreciate the input real estate much more. I do like those buttons and Dpad tho!
I'd say if gamma os was default on rg405m, then both are kind of 50/50. Both have something... imperfect about them. Retroid face buttons are always louder (I have 3 different retroid devices) and a bit harder to press. Also retroid doesn't have hall sticks by default and it feels a bit stupid to play 4:3 games on it. Some games have widescreen cheats/patches though, but not all. But as I said before - 405m hadn't gamma os by default so.. I agree, rp3+ is better
Agreed!
"I recommend the RP3+ over the RG405M." I agree ten thousand percent.
"...Metal." Eh, not a fan of paying an extra thirty dollars for a worse feeling material. I'd recommend a transparent plastic RP3+.
Absolutely, I would love an RG405*P* with some grams shaved off from it.
Keep in mind I am speaking purely from perspective, I don't own either device (yet... I have planning on making the Pocket 3+ my next purchase when I catch up on game releases from this year like Tears of the Kingdom and the just released Armoured Core VI!).
Ya so that’s completely subjective as to what material you’d enjoy. Some people are just metal fans.
You are both wrong 😅 we need good performance-price ratio devices for 4/3 contents (for those older consoles built for cathodic TV sets, everything until Dreamcast/PS2 era) and other devices for streaming or emulating widescreen contents (720p or 1080p). Ideally we'd need higher end ARM SOCs with bigger 4/3 screens (5 inches or more), as well as big 16/9 OLED screens. The screen of the original PS VITA was such a marvel for the eyes....
The RG505 uses the exact PS Vita OLED screen so there is that. That one is a good PSP device.
Are the games that come with the 405m any good?
There are plenty of good games yes
I agree the Retroid is pobably better for newomers to the hobby, but the RG405M is a solid little handheld. The only knock I have against it, is that it doesn't have HDMI if I want to plug it in to a tv. Apart from that, the screen size suits the systems I play on the device more than the Retroid, and it has a nicer build and fits my pocket better. I don't have anywhere near as much rattling like you showed in your video at 2:30 (maybe you just have a bad unit )😅. For wide screen games, I have a hacked Vita for PSP and Vita games, and intend to pick up a larger device to play PC games and emulate hard to run systems like the Switch eventually.
I have still not decided and would like to purchase either of these. I think the rg405m looks way cleaner but I would like to play some wii game like mario kart or smbb. Also would like to play more retro games. Its a though one.
Ah in the end they’re both great for different reasons.
I agree that the RP3+ is probably better for most people. But not for me. I have both, the RP3+ since it came out, (non metal) …. and i barley used. For me personally the buttons and especially the D-Pad bothered me so much i kept playing my RG353P over it all the time. Since i got the 405M i am so in love and haven’t used another device. the only non 4:3 System i play is gba. For me it is the perfect device for my specific needs. GammaOS made the 405 great, but it was not that easy to install. I am glad there are multiple options and we get to choose.
GammaOS vid for RG505 and 405 coming up! 😂
YWN.
RG405M is a pocket powerhouse, you can find guides on how to properly set up each emulator and you will be surprised at how well it runs DC, PS2 and GC as well as N64 and PS1
What is that white mug looking handheld?
Are you referring to my cool Star Wars mug? 😂
Isn't the RG505 the wide screen version of the RG405m ??
Sort of yes
Honestly you cant go wrong with either.
But some people might not like the start select positions on rp3+m
You’ll be happy with either… as long as you get the Retroid haha
@@adinwalls bahaha
@@adinwallsRetroid has a long history of bad customer service from when I first got involved with them. They may have gotten better. However the Retroid Pocket 3+ Metal Edition has had reports of the Handheld cutting people's hands on the Metal Casing. I'd recommend buying the cheaper more affordable Plastic version over the Metal version instead.
Since I want to use my handheld as a home console, the RG405M just doesn't work for me. I like my RG353V for being able to play Mario Kart 64 on the TV. When I upgrade I'd like to be able to play Double Dash on the TV as well.
I think a lot of people are holding out for the next gen Retroid device.
I own both and imo the quality of the RP3+ is slightly better, but when I play on the go there is no way I choose it over my RG405M. It just feels better. And the main reasons are gammaOS, Buttons and Sticks/D-Pad and the screen, because even it has a worse resolution, everything looks better imo.
Over here the RG405M costs 140$ and the RP3+ 180$.
Fair point!
The 405M doesn't really have a "worse" resolution it just isn't as high. It is actually an advantage because 640x480 matches some systems exact, and others are an even 2X scale. For retro matching aspect ratio and an even integer scale will most of the time look much better. The "lower resolution" will actually look sharper in many cases because you can run it without any filtering and have even pixels.
@L337g4m3r the lower resolution also ads to better performance.
My 3+ metal edition after just a month or so has crazy screen burn in even though i never leave the screen sitting doing nothibg...
That’s very strange have you found any other reports of this online. I’m sure if you reach out to Retroid they will help you with a new screen.
Good video, I don't necessarily disagree with these points but I think it misses why Wulf and others prefer the RG405m. It's arguing features but missing design value.
Thing is, if you don't care about pocketability and use this just as a full emulation device with 16:9, hdmi out and full triggers you have many better options than the RP3+ for just a bit more money; eg Odin or Pocket Air. Hell, just get a controller attachment to your phone.
Or spend the cash on a gaming umpc; those are starting to come out with better pricing and the AMD chips will beat anything these devices do by a country mile running much better OS with steamos or windows with all the physical features people want.
Neither the RP3+ or RG405m imo are your best bet if just having a handheld gaming device is your goal. The RG405m is much more pocketable and the 4:3 screen res fits what most people will use it for.
Also, needing gammaos isn't really a downside bc the RP3+ doesn't have the best OS either. It's a shame these devices don't come with great OS but it's just what happens with budget chinese handhelds.
At launch this would be a huge reason to not get it but now there is a fix, its existence isn't an issue to purchase now.
At least in my opinion and what Wulf was getting at. If you want what the RP3+ offers imo it's not worth it. But there is no equivalent to the RG403m that is as much power and versatility in a compact size atm.
It's a niche I hope more companies start to attempt with the RG405m's popularity. But for right now it's the best at what it's trying to do and the RP3+ isn't really comparible.
The RP3 plus screen doesn't fall off so that's an auto win
I didn’t like Daijishio because it doesn’t load a bunch of games. Like Sega Saturn games not showing after linking the folder.
Should have been a 5-7" 4/3 screen to make the difference, and worth the money.
I think that would ruin the pocketability of it though. I like the size and ratio of the screen.
@@adinwalls That's about what your phone can do in 4/3 size, why buy it? Buy a good wired extendable joypad.
Most games are designed for tv monitors ,that's the reason that half inch made games way better.
It would ruin pocketability same way this ruins 280v`s but not portability, it would sell more.
How many people have any desire to shake their device in the same way that a baby shakes a rattle ? .. not me, for one ! 🤷♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Me
@@adinwalls - get a rattle dude ! 😂😂 .. No, I know what you mean..I don’t like cheap stuff but given the fact that Anbernic metal devices are some of the best built, most premium feeling handsets available & that both devices rattle, I wouldn’t find it too difficult to overlook this one..just try not to rattle it 😂😂
@woodstockxx I did get a rattle… the RG404M 🤣
This video had a huge impact on why I decided AGAINST the RG405M. Video out is apparently possible with the RG405M, but that "solution" is video only-- you still have to figure out how to get audio (3.5mm) to bigger or better speakers if that matters to you.
Thank you for your content. I turned off restricted mode on my account to say thank you. You offer a different angle I think the RUclips audience needs.
Hey thanks man glad it resonated with you
If you have a smart tv you can cast with 405m
I'm sorry but who actually uses video out on these small handhelds?? Why would you ever wanna play on this device connected to a TV when you can just use a pc, or mod an Xbox and emulate everything on that with a proper controller.
@Robstrap lots of people do this
@@Robstrap I would want to, say I go over to my gf's and want to play a retro game on her TV, or go traveling somewhere. Not like my girlfriend has a PC all set up with emulation ready to go.
Yep daijisho is great and not depressing to look after those hours & hours of shaving your live in workplace to buy the device. Also i would still rather use my own roms.
Not quite sure what you mean. But yes, I really prefer to use my own Roms. Mainly because I know they work well and I am familiar with them for testing purposes for the channel.
You basically contradicted your own review. the Anbernic is just better, flat out. It depends what you're playing though, but basically everyone has covered that. If you don't wanna deal with GammaOS, sure the RP3+ is probably better, but...also it has Wifi if you wanna do retro achivements, beyond that though the 405M is better IMO.
Not the biggest fan of the title of this video, but i get it, it'll get clicks. But the title is wrong as its subjective which device is better for you.
I personally have no need for android gaming on my chosen handheld, i have no need for any psp games (i have a modded vita) or any form of cloud gaming on it. I want to play SNES, GBA, PS1 mainly, as well as DC, GC, Saturn and N64 in it's original aspect ratio which is how i prefer to play it. So considering all of this, what would you recommend to me? 405m or rp3+? Wulff Den isn't actually wrong to recommend the device is he.
Honestly I think most people for most use cases will prefer the RP3+ but the Anbernic is a close second.
@@adinwalls so you saw my retro game needs and scenario above, and are still suggesting a retroid, after learning I only play 4:3 systems?
Perhaps you should reevaluate being a reviewer my friend, as you seem rather upset people prefer anbernic over the retroid company that released the RP3 to lure people in, and then released the plus model.
405M >>>>>> RP3+ in every single regard when only playing 4:3 systems and it isn't even close
@MysticGohan01 there is more to a gaming console than the screen ratio. I have been more than favourable to Anbernic over the time I have been making these videos. The Retroid is a more polished device. No matter what video you watch, it’s all subjective. I have a strong opinion about this, but I am not trying to control what you buy. A good example is the Powkiddy X28: it’s a terrible device in many ways, but I love it.
@@adinwalls I'm sorry but if you recommend a retroid over a 405M to someone who only plays 4:3.systems,therefore getting more screen used while being a smaller device, you are then in fact wrong, regardless of how strongly you feel about a retroid, there will always be preferences DEPENDING on your usage. If someone said to me They love psp, id say go retroid, but that's not the case.
No matter how strong you feel, using someone else's name to gain clicks on a video and calling him wrong is like saying RGC is wrong for preferring a snicker bar to a mars bar. It is subjective, and depends on what you are going to play, it's really that simple and as a RUclipsr I thought you could be less biased but that does not seem to be the case.
@@MysticGohan01 you are EXACTLY right.
I bought both. Android games are sharper on the Rp3, but the Rg has better color. My Rg screen failed. Odin Pro is better
god dammit! i thought already made a decision to buy the rg405m and now im considering buying rp3+ now. or maybe i should just buy the steam deck just to have a more powerful device because i really don't mind the size.
Haha, you’re welcome…
I think the biggest factor here for me is the display.
A higher res 16:9 display allows native Android gaming. Better screen for streaming. PSP titles at 2x+ resolution. Widescreen hacks for Dreamcast and N64 which makes many titles feel like remasters. GBA's native 3:2 ratio scales great at 16:9. And systems like DS and 3DS have plenty of screen real estate to show both screens at the same time.
Oh! Not to mention that the bit of light Switch emulation it can do also looks great on that 16:9 display. It's like a Switch Lite Mini.
My thing that keeps not being spoken about accurate is the price. I paid $100 each for the 2 rg505's I own. Free shipping. The 405's would have been slightly more($120....i'm not kidding). It was discounts from Temu but I just don't think they should be compared to the retroid 3 plus.
I’m not sure where those prices come from but I just checked Temu and the RG405M is $200 before shipping. As reviewers we have to consider the safest and most realistic use case of buying for our viewers. For me recommending to buy via the manufacturer using PayPal as a safety net is the best option. Although Anbernic and Retroid’s shipping is getting out of hand and I know third party sellers like GoGameGeek may charge more but their shipping is way less, so I often factor that into me recommendations.
I used 50 dollar coupons on both. Idk. Temu just sends them. I couldn't imagine buying something full price on temu. They are definitely not the safe option though.
To add. I just looked and the 505s went up to 180 on temu as well. Again, I couldn't imagine paying that on Temu though.
out of all the games you can play on these devices, a good 85% are 4:3, so 85% of the time you will have a letterboxed picture on the retroid
Just picked a 405m up for 90 bucks. I already had an original RP3. Frankly, Retroid's form factor just isn't pocketable enough, and 4:3 games on widescreen are ugly, and this thing just feels more sturdy for obvious reasons. Way better for slumming it in your pocket IMO. If I want something more comfortable and faster, I can just emulate on my PC.
Fair points!
@@adinwallsAnd conversely, for someone trying to use this (or a Retroid) as their main way of playing emulated games... you're entirely right.
I have the steam deck for anything that the 405 cant play. And i have the 405 for when i dont want to take my steam deck out, which i never want to.
Hehe yes the Steamdeck is the answer
i dont think comparing widscreen and 4:3/1:1 devices is really useful. lets face it, it sucks when you are wasting screen area with black bars on the top or sides. D-pad should be on top of 4:3/1:1 and bottom for widescreen, these are both revresed.
Loving ur channel so far
Hey thanks!
I could not agree more with you lad. My RP3+ Metal is a work of art.
You are correct. You get the prize 🏆
Rg405m is also a beautiful thing as well.
It feels and looks very premium
@@Guitario666 Agreed. But here's the rub, there's just something undefinable that makes a Retroid Pocket 3 Plus Metal magic to hold. The Anbernic looks pretty much like every other metal shell Anbernic handheld; let's be honest here, it's a boring stale design.
@@STR82DVD The 405M feels good in the hand too. The Retroid looks nice but honestly I hate those "bomb-pop" multi colors. They need to come out with a better solid color to be the clear winner in aesthetics to me.
@@L337g4m3r I've both units. The Retroid is just a better handheld. The colour used on the shell is actually quite well done.
You know idc for PSP and PS2 so basically,
I prefer the RG405M because it has more performance than the retroid devices.
Like bro, the RG405V/M are just better.
As long as the Retroid is not a 3:2 or 4:3 its a no go for me.
Emulation devices, especially portable, need a resolution that can suite MOST devices. 16:9 makes the portable experience for anything less than 5th Gen totally rubbish.
Besides, 640x480 is the perfect res up until Wii... Especially in native resolution. Pre-5th gen games look way better on the 405M than the Retroid 3+ unless in 2x or 3x res, which makes close to no sense on a 3.5 / 4" screen. It makes sense only for hdmi out, which explains the omition of it on the 405M.
My only complain is the clickey buttons though, it does sound cheap.
Click the joycons. Same clicking sound
I don't know that we wanna argue Retroids build quality is better than Anbernics. Pretty sure more Retroid 3's and or 4's have had issues than any Anbernic device thats been out 100X as long.
i agree that u disagree with wulffden but i don't agree with u agreed wulffden, let's agree with disagree 😂
Haha, now you're getting it
@@adinwalls i really hard want rp3+ or rg405m but no money 😭 already work hard but more commitment, 😞 wish someone can give me free one 🥹
I don't think anyone would shake their device so aggressively on their daily basis my guy....
Then you’re not living 😂
…my guy
I prefer rg405m
I genuinely do not recommend the retroid pocket 3+ metal, it's just a rip-off. Whether the anbernic is better or not, for the price, the performance is garbage on the retroid metal, literally every single alternative for the price is so much better.
Get the retroid 3+ plastic or an alternative handheld, 180$ for the retroid metal felt like I got scammed when I tried gamecube on it.
The 405m out of the box is most definitely inferior to the rp3+ without 3rd party software. The main reason why I went with the 405m is the compact form factor. I can deal with the differences in build quality for quick gaming on the go. Great video otherwise Adin :)
Thanks for sharing. You see I just feel the Retroid is still compact enough for on the go gaming with very little compromise.
so critical...
ok you've convinced me, ima get an RG405M XD seriously though you did a pretty poor job of defending the RP3 plus here, like given everything you said here it seems pretty much like a toss up depending on which things you value more....
fun fact. you can make a comparison video of rg405m & rp3+ without telling anyone was wrong. you both have different perspective but that doesnt make any of you wrong. soo just focus on your video mate
That's the beauty of owning one of these devices. We don't all have to buy one because one reviewer likes or dislikes a device. In the retro gaming community, we are allowed to have our own opinion. I'm glad to see you disagree with Bob. It means you are gaming for the right reasons. Because you like the Retroid better. You didn't bash Anbernic. You merely critiqued it, which is good. We can't fix a problem if we don't know what's wrong. So, good on you man
Thank you. On reflection I realised it wasn’t clickbait at all. I merely said I disagreed with someone. Which I think just means I am passionate about this?!
Just please, don't start swearing up and down on your channel and cursing God. I have a hard time finding clean content foe my children to watch because every 5 seconds, it's GD this and GD that. I like your channel. Please, keep growing. But do it right. Don't be a sellout like Stubbs from RH. He's as fake as they get.
@@OTGGamerz3264 well I’m not sure about Stubbs. He seems nice to me. But yes, I will be keeping it fairly clean.
I disagree completely with rp3+ being more memorable. The 405m with the curved sides and the 4inch display on a 4:3 screen is much more unique and memorable. rp3+ looks like another bland switch lite clone
I don’t agree with why you dislike the RP3+ but I am starting to prefer the RG405M after a long term test. Somehow with the metal shell the RP3+ lost its x-factor. As I say in the video I think the two tone metal will make it a nice collectors item in the future but I’m actually planning to put it back into my blue plastic case because for some reason, in that shell it’s one of my fav devices.
Gotta admit this is a very strange video.
For literally all TV consoles, a 4:3 display is the best fit. The only thing where the 16:9 Retroid Pocket would shine would be PSP.
As for the Android version... just install GammaOS right away. Everyone who buys such a Chinese retro handheld should at least be into SOME tinkering so that shouldn't be a deal breaker at all.
The RG405M is superior for the consoles it plays imho. It's more pocketable and has the perfect aspect ratio.
I might be a bit late to the discussion, but I completely disagree.
GammaOS significantly enhances the RG405M and RG505, particularly in terms of user interface, reduced bloatware, and most notably, BATTERY LIFE. The improvement is ridiculous that I can enjoy up to 20ish hours of gaming on this little beast. More than that if someone is investing over $200 in an emulation device, it's likely not their first. The reason for choosing RG405M over the RP3+ comes down to the very niche (yet highly desired) 4:3 aspect ratio, which to this day is a decision I do not regret.
As an owner of both 1st and 2nd gen Odins, a Steam Deck, and various Anbernic, Miyoo, and Retroid devices, the 405M's flawless Dreamcast and N64 emulation with a native 4:3 aspect ratio is still something I cannot do without. The only other devices that can compete are the Retroid Pocket 2+(slightly less powerful) and Anbernic's RG405V (which I highly disliked due to its design). I never expected PSP, PS2, or GameCube emulation because that's what my Odin 2 is for. Additionally, the community support is fantastic. I've even ordered stacked shoulder buttons to potentially fix the "rattling" issue and improve ergonomics. The "clicky" select and home buttons are something I actually like as well; I think they add a nice touch. So all in all love your vids man, but it's a hard nope from me.
Hey man thanks for the input.
GammaOS definitely makes a huge difference and in my opinion saves the rg405m
@@adinwalls Yup, just saw you were giving the 405m another chance in one of your other comments. I'm giving the stacked shoulder mod a shot, maybe you should too. It might change your opinion on it, cheers!
For streaming, you really should have your laptop connected via a lan cable and not wifi streaming to your devices.
Great vid! I'm happy with my RP3+ Blue and Odin. :)
Yes I know. My setup is not ideal for that test yet. That’s why I kind of brushed through it. Actually I just had an idea for next time….
Ooooooh. The Odin. My fear is that if I get a higher end device I’m going to lose interest in all these devices for my channel 😂
11:50 yes that's what I want
Most of the issues you mentioned are either fixed by Gamma OS or don't matter for most people. The minor rattle, HDMI out are hardly worth mentioning.
You also don't mention the significant advantages of the 405 with Gamma OS such as settings done already and controller mapping for Android games. Most people would also say the Anbernic buttons are better which you note as well.
It's also as if you forgot about the RG 505 which basically has the same internals but an OLED widescreen so if someone doesn't want 4:3 they don't have to and get all the benefits of an OLED screen. Which means no ghosting and perfect blacks, two things the RP3+ don't do.
If you do a battery test the Gamma OS devices smash the RP3+.
Not sure what you think was wrong here with Wolf Den's opinion. You have to take such a specific view to say Wolf Den was wrong and even then it takes valuing a bunch of minor things greatly over what the 405 offers. Sorry but this was bad clickbait and solidified my choice for the RG 405 instead. I am actually going to buy the RG 405 M right after this comment which at the time of this comment holds a huge price advantage over the RP3+ metal edition.
I never mentioned the 505 because it’s an u related device (this was a comparison of the metal devices). I honestly don’t think the rattling is something to ignore, the longer you own it the more annoying it becomes, especially when you have another device that’s put together more solidly. And then regarding GammaOS I will be making a separate video about that, while it does make a lot of improvements there are also somethings you lose, like the nice interface Anbernic put together. While performance is important, a lot of my viewers are out off by all these setups and custom firmwares.
@adinwalls I'm saying it makes no sense to fault the Anbernic device for not being 16:9 and being 4:3 as they made two devices with virtually the same hardware to satisfy both 16:9 and 4:3 crowds. To call that a point against the 405 is strictly your preference in another extremely nit-picky way. The RG 405 M is the only 4:3 T618 device currently. People are interested because it's 4:3. It has no competitors outside of the Retroid 2S which is a step below with its T610 and smaller screen. Whereas the RP3+ has plenty of competitors with the same chipset in the same form factor.
The only way for your argument to work here has to be extremely nit-picky by arguing only for metal designs... but why do that? Wolff Den's argument wasn't metal only.
Likewise, Gamma OS not being the standard for the device is asinine. The installation is safe and easy. There are people out there who don't want to do any of that sure but faulting the device for things that have been fixed is nonsense again as Wulff Den did put Gamma OS on his device.
If you intend to put someone's name into a title then create a nonsensical argument that doesn't even follow their points, what is the point other than click bait?
The point is 100% clickbait!
Also, get yourself the official Anbernic Silicone Grip fir ths 405M nd then tell me who the real winner is! ;P
I think this accidentally turned into a "get an AYN Odin" video lol
Haha, I think you’re right.
the switch oled also .... rattles 😁
Gamma OS.
You must be very new to the scene if you are judging these devices by their stock firmware.
The only reason I don't really want to support Retroid is the situation with 3/3+. Anbernic loves to put tonnes of devices on the market but it never feels as bad as it was with Retroid. Plus overall design of 405 is really cute and I like 4:3 screen, everything else is indeed better on Retroid 3+
Ya I don’t really understand the ongoing moral issue with Retroid. My limited understanding of what happened was a small company trying to fix an issue they had and stay financially afloat. And they have proven themselves since then.
I think you are, in fact, being a bit disingenuous here.
You list all the flaws of the 405M, but say that the RP3+ has no real flaws, which is fair from the truth.
The oversharpening on the Anbernic is fixed when you use GammaOS.
The Retroid has the start and select buttons in a really bad spot, making it much worse for systems like GBA which used those buttons a lot.
Retroid also has that awful d-pad + face buttons combo that you seem to like, but for me it was unusable to the point where I returned it.
The Retroid also has a worse screen than the Anbernic when it comes to playing most systems they support.
Clickbait.. RG405M has more positive points from you while the RP3+ was basically "I feel it's better".
"WULF DEN was WRONG about the RG405M."
I'm sorry but this is the wrong title for this video.
I mostly don't agree with Wulf Den because of his hypocritical takes on Retroid Products, however this video was definitely not a Wulf Den was wrong video. I thought you'd maybe point out some Factual Inaccuracies in Wulf Den's RG405M video. Unfortunately this was a comparison video masked as a "Wulf Den was wrong" video.
Also any comparisons between the RG405M and Retroid Pocket 3+ are completely apples and oranges because both devices have reached their full potential and it's pretty neck and neck. I completely understand that you prefer the Retroid Pocket 3+ over the RG405M due to it's more Modern Control scheme however saying that EVERY Retro Gaming device should have Modern Gaming controls is a dogshit take. These are Retro Gaming devices many of us want them to feel like Retro Gaming devices we've played in the past. I'm not saying some Handhelds can't have modern control schemes but expecting EVERY Retro Gaming device to come with modern controls is basically telling Retro Gamers like myself to F off. Another point I wanted to make is the fact that there's also reports of the RP3+ Metal Version cutting people's hands due the Shell not being smoothed properly before the Anodization Process. Also Retroid has had a long history of bad customer service. I unfortunately was one of their earlier customers. Lastly I usually don't purchase lower end Android Handhelds because the tech inside usually dies out in around a year to a year and a half anyway.
In conclusion, I just want to say that I don't think this was a very good video. It was basically a bias comparison video skewed towards the RP3+ with a misleading title. 😕
I agree the title was slightly misleading. It was unabashedly clickbait. But I don’t think you watched my video fully because I praised the RG405M’s controls. In fact I praised a lot about the RG405M but I concluded that the RP3+ is just a more well rounded machine. Sure it’s nit picking, but that’s tech reviews for you!
@@adinwallsI already watched the video from beginning to end.
I blocked his channels previously as his videos are so depressing and he's always moaning.
Who doesn’t love a good moan?! 😂
Wulffden used to do exclusively Switch videos until running out of content and started on retro stuff 🥱 even so he never seemed to really play on those devices
@@adinwalls true but there's moaning about something and having an existential crisis on every video.
I'll be honest, I find a lot of what Wulff Den says to be wrong. From what I've watched of his videos, in regards to handhelds at least, he seems to dislike anything that requires actual work to set up. If it requires any work at all, he'll complain about it as if it's this massive cumbersome process. Honestly, it sounds like he just wants a handheld that's 'plug and play'. Buy handheld, plug in SD Card, play games with absolutely zero set up or changing settings required. And anything more effort than that, and he has some complaining to do.
Hell, despite there being an entire website dedicated to a step-by-step guide to setting up Custom Firmware on a Vita, he even whined and complained that THAT was too hard (before the current vita hack was made).
I mean, as a dude, he seems fine. I've enjoyed his videos in the past. But, his whining about things being 'too hard' or 'too much work' just gets obnoxious tbh. As if emulation in general isn't a bunch of manual work and setup usually, regardless of what you're doing it on.
I get that someone brand new to emulation, emulation handhelds, and modding consoles, might find everything to be a bit complicated and tedious. But, in Wulff Den's case, he knows what he's getting into. He's done enough videos about this stuff that he should have a basic understanding of what he's gonna need to do to set something up. Yet he'll still complain about minor setup, as if it's the end of the world.
i'm still trying to figure out how wulf is so respected in the retro handheld community especially by other big channels. when i watch his videos just seems like someone jumping on the switch trend band wagon borrowing content from others
Ehh dude I just subbed to you, then you go after Wulf 😮
Lol it’s all fun and games
If you watch the whole video you’ll see I was just doing a sensational title but I actually agree with Bob on many aspects, and even elaborate on some of his points further. Most reviewers disagree, I just used it in this video to spark interest.
@@adinwalls I know right just joking 🙃
Are you serious? The 640x480 resolution is pixel perfect for every system this runs, and they are designed for 4:3. Having a high resolution screen is bad if the games are low resolution, look at a n64 hooked up to a crt vs a 4k display. Better battery life, Better performance, Hall Sensor Joysticks, the metal, the rg405m is literally perfect. RP3+ is worse in every way: stick drift will happen eventually, wide screen is not the right format, the battery life is worse, performance is worse, its plastic and feels cheap, screen resolution is wrong for pixel perfect gaming...no. This video is a terrible take.
In the end there is definitely preferential bias, but I do feel the RP3+ has the edge. And now with the RP4 even more so.
why we would listen to you? 800k followers vs 12k followers? another youtuber is wrong? clickbait? using other youtuber to get some views?
Yup
We all get it man, you're trying to grow your channel by using WULFF DEN's name. I don't think this proves WULFF wrong. I think this video just points out differences but there are pros and cons to both. Folks should understand their requirements for any purchase in life... I feel it's a bit tasteless with the clickbait.
Bla bla bla. YOU are the one wrong and shame for using another RUclipsr for clicks
His opinion sucks
He's not wrong at all. It's HIS OPINION. Some people love things and some people don't. Personally I think he's right
Wulfden is often making reactionary statements in their video titles, it's not very cool
The RG405M is a great device initially. Give it 6 months or so and it’ll serve as a bad paperweight. These are not quality products and the price is unjustifiable. I’m tired of reviews stating how great these devices are in their initial state - they WILL break down. They are not the DS or PSP.