Why I Hate Ad Nauseam
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- An old story, about a notorious "that guy" at our local FNM that has forever scarred my perception of Ad Nauseam.
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"And it was countered by a Negate. Just a simple sideboard card. And then he shouted BUT THAT CARD DOESN'T DO ANYTHING and then everyone knew that Trevor was, in fact, DesolatorMagic."
Funnily enough, there was a guy at my fmn that played Ad Nauseum for years back before the spirit guide ban. fnm at that time was full of brutally toxic players jamming the best decks, getting upset when I beat them with mono red vexing devil burn, and being absolute shits outside of magic as well. The ad naus player is the sweetest mfer and is one of the only two people from that era that haven't been ostracized from the magic community in that small town and still plays magic. Now he just plays boomer jund and tron and grumbles with a smile on his face when I cast smallpox on turn 2 and 3 and laughs it off cause tron just dies there. Honestly above all else I'm sad about the spirit guide ban for him, his mother helped him build the deck in the last two years of her life so the deck just sits as a memory now.
That's both really sweet, and a little sad to hear. Thanks for sharing though. ❤️
Wow, ya, both sweet n sad. But also I love that u rock Vexing Devil, card does not get enough credit. In any other deck it is crap to give ur opponent a choice but in 1v1 while playing burn, it is just a better Lava Spike 90% of the time n even if they let it hit the table n then remove it, that's 1 less removal spell for ur better creatures... not that I have better creatures in my Burn deck, I only have the Devil n Martyr of Sands cuz I love throwing 7 bolts to face n anything besides direct dmg to me feels more like Red Deck Wins than it does Burn.
Wait wait wait. You're saying that you won games with Vexing Devil? I'm always told cards like that are awful and so I made a deck full of enemy choice cards. And sadly it actually won a game once... It's hilarious to play.
But I need to know more about these vexing devil wins!
I also rock a mono red burn deck with vexing devil! It's my favorite deck!
A guy told me "damage on the stack" in 2015. Jesus christ
I miss damage on the stack...
I say it sometimes. Was a big part of the game for long ass time. Same way I'll always say cmc instead if mana value. Just easier and there was no actual reason to change it.
I came back to magic in 2021, and I stopped playing before damage came off the stack. I WAS that guy who tried some damage on the stack stuff, and the whole table looked at me like I was insane. I wish I could go back and apologize to them.
...maybe they just didn't notice the rules change?
I remember not playing for a while, but going in to play the prerelease of Magic Origins. I definitely said "damage on the stack" a few times at that event.
@@andrewbrock3675 I dont know man, Ive been introducing magic to new players for a long time and they had a much easier time quickly grasping what "Mana Value" is Vs. "Converted Mana Cost" - Also, takes up less space on the card.
I played my first draft ever when the set was Commander Masters. They were playing limited commander and the owner had put me into a five pod with my boyfriend since we came together and I was new and nervous. At our pod was the obnoxious mono blue player "that guy." When the draft started, he leaned over and told me "The token isn't part of the draft." And his attitude just gave off "Gurlz kant play magik" vibe. I told him I knew that and we all proceeded to draft.
During the game he seemed very sure of himself that he was the best player, and no one at the table seemed to take me very seriously until I had a creature that had been buffed up to a 10/10 with double strike. The two other players fell out and it was down to my bf, who barely had any life left, that guy who only had six life, and myself at 15. That guy was really sweating at the idea of losing to me, so during his play he tried to be sneaky with his mana and put out a large creature that he didn't have enough for, which my bf called him on. So instead what he decided to do out of spite, was goad my equipped creature in a way that I could only hit my bf, and not him. With the intention to hit me for lethal on his next turn. He confidently swung all his creatures at my boyfriend so it would be certain I'd be forced to hit my bf for lethal.
Then it was my turn. My only creatures were my beefed up creature and some random 2/2 fodder I had played just to have out. I thought really hard about what to do. The other two players from the pod had stayed to watch because they were interested to see if that guy would lose or win. Suddenly, the idea dawned on me. I tapped my mana and moved all my equipment to my other creature. Returning my goaded creature to his base power and toughness. Which wasn't enough to hit bf for lethal, but now, that guy was wide open and I had him. Swung in and wrecked his ego into next year. The two other players were going nuts saying "I COMPLETELY FORGOT YOU CAN MOVE THE EQUIPMENT" My boyfriend conceded because he wouldn't have survived another turn against me, but not killing him was a matter of principle lol. That guy stuck around to see what was in the prize pack I won and was salty as hell when I pulled meathook massacre. That card is worth more to me than TCG could ever price it at.
This is such a great story! Well done!
Sorry you had to deal with "that guy". They're the worst for many reasons, but misogyny is near the top of that list of reasons. Commander is supposed to be a social game and someone with that kind of arrogance just doesn't belong in it. Glad you got such a fantastic prize for winning the game.
Hell yeah! Thanks for sharing!
Arrogant people tilting, because they are laid low is utter soul candy.
I’m starting to think you get a rise out of proving the strength of a well timed flicker, boss lol
Me? Never.
@@PleasantKenobiyour untapped Plains says Ephemerate.
OK, my THAT GUY moment;
I was looking forward to doing FNM one day. I was bringing a llorwyn elf deck (but missing A LOT of the pieces to make it work). I just wanted to play, though. So I play a few rounds, and after 3 rounds, I was 1-2. A lot of players go X-2 drop but I wasnt one of them. I had time to kill because I was waiting for someone to get off work and pick them up as their ride.
So we're in round 4 of, like, 5-6 rounds and my opponent is, like, 3-0 or 2-1 and when he see me and notices i'm 1-2, proceeds to introduce himself to me with, "Why are you still playing? You're going to bring down my tie-breakers.". He was "paired down" to play against me, and my continued existence was apparently ruining his chances to top8 the FNM. He proceeded to beat me and we moved on. Along the way he would comment to cards I'd play like, "This isn't a good card you know?" and I'd have to reply with, "I can't afford a tier 1 deck." as if I needed to apologize for brining a subpar deck before him.
Years later, I did play him again in Return to Mirrodin/Innistrad standard where I was running RDW (a deck I was able to buy because I cracked and sold a foil Lilliana of the Veil), and I gleefully stomped him in the way to coming into 2nd place for FNM that night. Still same shitty attitude, still trying to comment that my deck or card choices were bad. He just couldn't beat me on, though, this day. I remember him walking away lamenting he lost to a "bad" deck.
Hell yeah, Red Deck Wins
Simple and effective
One chap who used to be in my playtesting group was an ex-military man, very good at being intimidating and firm because of his training. Well I recall being at a tournament, sitting a couple of tables away from him. He was playing against a younger player who was nervous, and one early turn the kid draws, umms a bit. The chap looks at the kid and asks "my turn?" The kid is so intimidated that he says "Yes." Without thinking and skips his entire turn, missing a key early land drop. To my great disappointment, the judges let it stand with just a warning about being unsporting. I never really confronted him about it, that still bothers me, but I was in secondary school (A-levels) at the time.
As for a confidence story; I was playing in the quarter finals for a pro-tour qualifier back in the Masques period, my opponent was on RW Rift/Slide while I was playing a self built Counter/Rift deck designed to beat the RW decks. Game two, post sideboarding I draw my opening hand, and because I know the guy I'm playing against so we have a good basis for banter. Well I tell him "You might as well concede right now and go to game three." He laughs, thinking I'm just bantering as usual and I proceed to use Annex to steal all of his lands so he's stuck with a lightning rift plus no mana. He took this with very good grace and just shrugged saying "I should learn to believe you when you say things like that, you're not just trying to mind game me."
Final fun story for you. Welsh Nationals, the time is the period where Tempest is legal. My good friend Kurt oversleeps and turns up nearly three hours late for the tournament. He's missed the entire first draft pod. He's allowed to play by the judges, but has three match losses to his name. Kurt then proceeds to go 9-0 in his remaining draft and 6 games of constructed with UG Madness, then gets all the way through the top 8 to the finals, he has lethal on the stack for the entire tournament, but concedes to our team mate Richard because Kurt can't go to Worlds due to his day job as a Teacher. Absolute legend, technically only lost to himself that entire day.
Kurt rules holy shit
I was never a regular FNM player, but during Kaladesh standard I played at one. I did fairly well with the red artifact gremlin deck that TCC posted on their channel. I can't remember my record that day, but near the end I played against someone else who had done well in their matches. We had a few people watching since we were one of the last matches. Guy taps four mana and casts Walking Ballista, placing eight +1/+1 on it. I corrected him and told him that would only place two counters. He called a judge, and the judge explained how XX mana costs worked to him. I won that game, but turns out he'd been playing his Walking Ballista like that all night, probably the reason he won his games.
Had a similar experience with an ad naus player. Years back b4 a store I loved to go to closed its tournament area, we had this arrogant guy playing ad naus and was always acting cocky when he'd play. So he used to continuously think burn was a super easy match up and I was his final opponent one day and I was able to play 2 eidolon of the great revel early on both games and as a result, he raged after he lost saying ad naus doesn't lose to burn and left the store. Haven't seen him since
It was really a super easy matchup tho.
my 'that guy' is a guy who constantly misrepresents the board state in commander.
there was one time when someone was planning out their move for the turn, looking to end the game. he asked a simple question 'anyone got any fliers'
the table responded, john said 'no' and he proceeded with his turn, i forget the exact combo but it involed fairie dragon tokens. he swings out, yeeting fairies at the one who had flies, and dragons at everyone else. john then points out he actually does have a flier and moves to blocks. everyone but john dies, and john peacocks that he survived and will now win. except he durdles his turn, durdles the next few putting up defences and stalling, and loses pitifully anyway.
Thats not misrepresenting the boards tate, that's just lying
It's this type of shit that I ran it on far too often that made me stop playing Commander. I barely liked the format to begin with, especially once WotC powercrept the fuck of the format. But having people just lie when you ask a simple question to save time, rather than carefully analyze each other player's board state is just cheating.
@@Xoulrath_ right? like not saying is i guess fine, as you as per the rules dont 'have' to give your opponent information thats public. but its still a dick move even so. lying either intenionally or becuase you didnt read your own boardstate is just....nah
Game rules violation right? You can't lie about the board like that.
@@StalkingPanda96 I think so, yes
When I was in middle school (invasion block), I was learning to play the game, and we had a kid in our group who said he played in local tournaments, and was the resident rules lawyer. Except, he was cheating. My personal favorite was when I tried to Terror his very old creature (destroy target non-artifact, non-black creature), and he said it didn’t work because it was a summon, not a creature. I ended up learning the rules well enough to be able to correct him. Eventually he built an Astral Slide deck and a Winter Orb deck, which he used to be an absolute ass. I ended up building a GW deck full of Naturalize, Disenchant, and lots of small creatures. After I beat both decks handily, he quit the group. I also found out no one at the local shop knew who he was, so he was lying about that too
Sounds like Middle School.
Here's my favorite "That Guy" story from recent memory:
I was playing FNM Commander, Specifically Commander Party: Lost Caverns of Ixalan. My opponents are playing Sefris Dungeons, Pantlaza Dinosaurs, and Dihada Legends. We have the rule zero conversation, and despite what it may have appeared at first, nobody is playing a precon deck, but nobody is aiming for crazy combo kills since we want to experience the Commander Party gimmick. I ask everyone if they would be okay with me playing my Ixhel deck, which I was sure to explain does win with poison counters, but the deck runs very little creatures with infect and almost no ways to increase their power, with no instants that do so. Everyone says that they are fine with that.
The game starts out rough. An unlucky streak resulted in me mulliganing down to five, and the guy playing Dihada is being mana flooded, so for the first few turns of the game, we are both playing lands and passing while the other two are actually curving out. The dino player is swinging at me, every chance that he gets. I am very familiar with the dungeon game plan, and I see that the dungeon loop is starting to be assembled, so I point this out to the table. For comparison, the only creatures that I was able to get out the entire game were Ixhel and a Plague Stinger. Dino Guy, however, is still swinging out at me. I eventually say to him something along the lines of, "Why are you swinging out at me? We need to work together to stop Dungeon Guy. He is about to win."
Dino Guy responds with, "You are playing poison counters. I hate that, so *you* need to die first."
I respond with, "I asked if you were okay with me playing this and you said yes."
I distinctly remember that his exact response was, "Yeah, you can play with it, but your actions have consequences."
Dino Guy swings out at me, and I am forced to use my one removal spell in hand to kill one of his creatures to stay in the game. On Dungeon Guy's next turn, he takes a 20 minute long turn that ends with all of our life totals significantly reduced. On Dino Guy's next turn, he swings out at me. Dungeon Guy won after taking his next turn, which was also roughly 20 minutes long.
Working at an lgs, the guy who ran out modern league spent months talking about how it was impossible to compete in modern on a budget (2010). Just shitting on the kids who showed interest and actively harming the stores sales and participation in his own events. I built a $13 goblin deck and won 3 weeks running, and he disappeared after shouting about goblin assault being a bullshit card that was unfair. Goblin assault.
He played elf ball. That was his expensive modern deck. Shit was wild.
Gigachad goblins. Modern goblins about 100$ now though
I've got two "that guy" stories I can contribute.
The first one happened at my local game store. I sat down to play some commander with two guys I've played a decent bit of commander at that store before and a third I never met, they were looking for a fourth and I was looking for a pod. I looked around, gagued the power level off the two guys I played with a bunch and pulled out my Zedruu deck; all you need to know for the purposes of this story is that it synergizes with exchange effects to an extent that it did not occur to me to specifically point this out, especially with two people that I've played this deck with before at the table. Either way, we start playing and the new guy is a lot (if you catch my drift), but eventually I start vibing with him and start having fun. At one point he goes to cast a [[Butcher of Malakir]] which would absolutely destroy me, so I [[Sudden Substitution]] it. He immediately scoops and leaves telling me to "just run a fucking counter spell asshole". This was complete tonal whiplash for me, but apparently nobody else in the store was surprised. According to the other patrons, he just hates all steal/exchange effects to an extent where he just scoops and leaves whenever anyone plays any. I want to emphasize how none of them said *anything* about this at the start of the game. When I called out to him saying I have decks with no steal effects if he still wanted to play, but all I got was a "fuck you" as a response. We finished out our 3-pod, but him scooping was kind of a blow out for me, so I just slowly died. I don't really play commander all that much at that store anymore, although I do still show up for draft and pauper.
The second story was when my non-local friend brought me to his local game store. For what it's worth, his store is literally the best game store I've ever been to, but that's not really relevant. We had a fun 3-pod going with my friend, this one guy, and I. Then this kid, who I'm guessing is high school age but I do not know for sure, comes over and asks to join us. My friend gave me a look I should have yielded, but I was to ignorant, and the other guy to nice, to say no. He proceeds to pull out his decks and offer our choice of commander to all of us while explaining the power level and concept of each one when asked; as a side note, this was actually I thing I really appreciated and wish more people would do. The guy picks the [[Kaalia of the Vast]] deck, I'm playing a powered-down [[Orvar, the All-Form]], my friend is playing [[Sauron, the Dark Lord]], and the nice guy is playing a [[Kenrith, the Returned King]] group hug deck. The kid had a slow start and was being a bit of a grump about it, but it was nothing I couldn't put aside. Skipping to the turn that cemented my opinion of this kid, it's his turn. His turn starts with me [[Spell Pierce]]ing my friend's [[Notion Thief]] that was trying to eat up all the extra card draw from the group hug deck. The kid draws his three cards for turn and [[Jeweled Lotus]]es into an attempt to play Kaalia, who would have haste because he skipped his first landrop to discard [[Anger]]. I'm getting alarm bells here having been through my Kaalia trenches before. I [[Hydroblast]] his commander and he immidietly scoops stating he "doesn't want to be oppressed". I was mentally prepared for this so I immediately turned to the other two and we finish playing a fairly enjoyable game, I did not win so when I die the kid loudly celebrates my loss. Curiosity got the better of me so I did end up asking what the kid would have done if I didn't counter his commander. Apparently he was going to play a free [[Avacyn, Angel of Hope]] and then immediately [[Armageddon]] (which if you know [[Hydroblast]], you know I couldn't interact with any other part of the line). I was left speechless. I haven't played at that store since, but that's just because it's like 250miles away.
I used to frequent midweek magic nights at the LGS, and we had a guy who piloted UW heroic at the tail end of its days. Always arrogant and talking mad smack to everyone. Especially myself who enjoys piloting home brews for fun and to test the meta waters. Week after week I listen to this guy in the shop just being obnoxious. I purposely built a Grixas control deck specifically to shut him down. Had him so flustered he quit the tournament he was winning , and left the store. I didn't even place, but Several people congratulated me on my "victory" none the less. Super worth the $5 entry fee 😁
i still remember a guy that was so cocky he thought he could tap my already tapped an attacking angel from Geist of Saint Traft so it couldnt attack. I said that is not how that works and he proceeded to argue with me. so I said that im going to call a judge and he was so confident he said do it. then he found out he was wrong, scooped his cards and left. we still had one more game to play.
It wasn’t a that guy moment but I remember having to teach another player that untapping an attacking creature doesn’t remove it from combat or prevent it from dealing damage unless that’s an additional effect. 😂 thanks for the free vigilance I guess 😅
People always forget you can pithing needle lightning storm.
My "That guy" moment had me playing the role of "That guy" I think. I was using FNM as an opportunity to test for an upcoming PTQ. This was 2009 and prior to the advent of the PPTQ > RPTQ system. I was piloting a version of Olivier Ruel's Time Sieve combo deck, and in what I believe was round one, I am paired up against a kid playing what is essentially a mono red burn precon. I do the Time Sieve thing and cast many Time Warps and Open the Vaults to return artifacts and Time Sieves, take lots of turns and eventually my child opponent says "Ok, I quit". To which I reply "Alright. On to game two?" He says "No, I think I'm done". He concedes the match, packs up, and walks away to watch his friends play. I've never felt so bad in my life.
When I was a casual commander player, i played with like 3 people at my lgs who all knew each other. I was in a bad spot so I made a deal with my opponent. I dont remember the full thing but it was basically ill help you deal with the threat by swinging out if you dont kill me next turn. So i did and he proceeded to untap, full swing at me and killed me. After that i was like ok? I Thought we had a deal? And the whole table said "we dont do deals like that in our playgroup you got what you deserved" without ever having told me during the deal 😂😂
A couple years later and now i have a cedh deck. I saw them playing casual games and they didnt recognize me. I was there to play modern and am nornally not that guy but I just couldnt resist. Asked them if i could play with them and proceeded to storm off t2 😂
Was it petty ? Yes
But did it feel good? Hell yeah
That's actually very funny. Glad you got some closure.
You youre the guy with the stax deck on the commander table. Real evil
In CEDH, Stax is based.
What else is GW supposed to do?
Tokens or +1/+1 Counters? Please.
@@faerie7dragon the two best colors for wiping out the best card types? Fuck off
@@PleasantKenobi I love how well cEDH players take Stax as being a fair and based way to play the game. cEDH players have such a good mindset.
@@styfenas a casual play cedh players are the coolest people to play with
I remember, once, I was playing against the new kid who borrowed the LGS owner's UW Merfolk list. I was on Ad Nauseam and had won every single game I ever played against that kid at FNM. I decided to be a bit fancier and try to win with a Laboratory Manic into Serum Vision line. As I did, he went to path my lab man and I stared for a few seconds at my 3 SSG+Lightning Storm in my hand and thought sure, whatever, and told him he had me. I think I never saw that guy looking so happy as when he finally manage to beat the "mean combo deck" for the first time.
I have a trevor at my lgs that constantly tries to misrep how Gix, yog preator works. He tries to activate gix, and use the cards he gets at different points during the turn. Weve told him you have to put all the spells you want on the stack during the abilities resolution, but he continues to misrep how it works to new players.
Not a big "that guy" situation, but I do remember being extremely frustrated at a friend who played original Vorinclex in a 60 card "casual" deck. I always laugh thinking back on it, because the whole deck was unsleeved.
I actually have a story that's kind of the opposite and is why I love the mtg community so much in my area
So, I was playing commander with a couple of friends I met at my LGS, friends A and B. We were nearing the end of a game and in come three kids, one new kid which had already played a single game with us the day before and his two friends that were completely new to magic.
We finish our game and friend A proceeds to leave me and friend B to play 1v1, as he spends the next 2 hours with the three kids, explaining the game, how the interactions work and just helping them out in general, not even actually playing with them but just serving as a friendly guy who just wants more people to enjoy the game
One of the coolest moments at FNM I saw was when my friend's opponent was scratching his head trying to figure out how to sideboard against mill, then just jammed all 15 cards into his deck and played the full 75.
Not mine, but my partner's that guy story- We were in college and drafting Fate Reforged and this dude had pulled an Ugin. My partner had already been have some "A girl is at the mtg club" interactions from this guy and matched with him in for her game 2 after winning round one. Game one she cleaned him out, with prowess I believe, second game she has a slower start and he gets a chance to cast Ugin, goes for it and she counters it because what she's lacking in creatures she had counters in spades. Dude proceeds to throw Ugin and his hand on the table and say/yell "You Bitch! I don't want to play anymore." He proceeded to insist that the round was a draw as well, though was talked down.
I had a "that guy" at one of my stores when I was really getting into Modern. He used to play Dimir/Sultai control, and I built a pretty budget version of Jacob Wilsons Wilted Abzan deck that top 8d Pro Tour Fate Reforged. I fell in love with the deck because I love creature based midrange decks. Well, I've played against this guy several times, and I would lose pretty often because I wasn't that good of a player yet. But I remember in this match I had a level up moment. I activated Gavony Township to put +1/+1 counters on all my creatures and take out half his life total. On his turn he played Night of Souls Betrayal, negating the buff from Township. I went to my turn and I could have cast a removal spell on his Night of Souls Betrayal, but I realized he had blue mana open. I figured he probably has a counter spell like Remand up or something, and I realized I could just activate Gavony Township again and swing for lethal. I did just that, and he lost the match and began complaining about how I was so lucky and how I should have punted into his Remand (that read felt good) because he would topdeck a Damnation. I just felt proud of my win and my level up moment. Years later after I got a modern PTQ top 8 I played against him again, still on Sultai control, and utterly destroyed him. Found out he played in the same PTQ and didn't do well, and afterwards I never saw him again.
A long time ago, we are talking like 2009, I was playing some multiplayer magic at an LGS. I sit down at a table with 3 other people and we start playing our game. For you youngins this was before commander was a big thing and we just played 60 card magic. You would bring a "legacy" deck but really it was just 60 card casual. So we sit down and I am getting ready to play some silly deck when this guy, who was probably still in high school says "I hope you all are ready to lose! You will never beat this deck!" with the most confidence. Now at this point I was in college and had finally built one of my favorite decks of all time. A blue combo deck using grim monolith and power artifact to win a variety of ways. So I ask if he is sure and he says "yeah, try all you like you'll never win." Alright I say. I pull out my combo deck and proceed to obliterate him. We play a game, same thing. One more time. And at this point he is incredibly upset. He just can't understand why he keeps losing because his deck is supposed to be unbeatable. I explained to him that no such deck exists in magic and it's okay to lose sometimes. He leaves the table still pretty upset. Some weeks later he sits down and I know which deck to pull out and you know what? He says he says "oh it's that deck... guess I am losing this round." So, growth. Good for him. It may seem like bullying a child but he just needed to learn. No deck is unbeatable.
Speaking of D&T, it's on the cusp of viability in Pioneer. 👀 We could really use a seasoned veteran with the archetype brew, testing, and just getting the word out to people.
Some combinations of Invasion of Gobakhan, Drannith Magistrate (AKA you Vince), Elite Spellbinder, Aven Interceptor, Skyclave Apparition Archon of Emeria, Skrelv Defector Mite, Soul Partition, Kayla's Reconstruction, CoCo, the list goes on.
Everyone loves Magical Trevor cause the tricks that he does are ever so clever
Prior to getting into magic I was a big fan of the old World of Warcraft tcg and attended the weekly tournaments at my LGS as I was still learning the game and didn't fully understand the rules. I used a rather absurd card called Varen the Reclaimer that let you "sabotage" the game if it wasn't blocked causing whoever won it to automatically win the following game in a best of three scenario and a few turns later threatened lethal and was about to win when he declared he was surrendering and therefore my Valens effect wouldn't matter since I did not "Win" the game and he just lost. He called over someone I assumed was a judge to verify he was right so I begrudgingly accepted it and proceeded to lose game three. I found out later that the guy wasn't a judge and was just the guys friend who had been at the event as well.
The only reason to cast Ad Nauseum, hold priority, and cast Angel's Grace in response is to be an asshole trying to cheat. There is functionally no difference between doing that and just casting the Grace, let it resolve, then casting Ad Nauseum.
If I saw someone do as you described, and explain it as "you can't interact", I would call a judge on them for trying to cheat.
I agree with the last sentiment; but holding priority to cast Angel's Grace is kind of like playing "en passant" in chess: oddly satisfying, and something you do just to show you can.
if you then unmorph a card to copy the ad nauseum, then thats fair enough
Had a regular pre release and limited player in Bristol who, whilst never proven, was believed to buy product early then stack his pre release pool. Sometimes people do just open "The NUTS" but a sealed deck with 3 glorybringers or similarly unlikely high proportion of rares/mythics was far more common than it should have been for this guy. Got to the point where judges would try to sit around him during opening and deck building to keep an eye out. In a weird coincidence, when they did that his decks were pretty much what would be expected from a pre release pool.
My "that guy" story
I was playing bant angels in a pioneer event against a Dimir control deck and got the book of exalted deeds ability on my mutavault (i couldnt lose as long as the mutavault was in play), the guy had no way to get around it but kept the game going, milled my entire library, got me into negative life and still kept going, time was called on turn 2 of our second game because of it
There's a Trevor in the local Warhammer community here that I got matched up against during a GT. When I mentioned their name to my opponent prior to the round, I was asked if I had played against them before. Being new to the area, I had not. I was then warned by him, a guy next to him, and a third guy next to the table I was playing on to keep an eye out for shady shit. Shady shit then ensued while he was playing Pre-Wraithguard nerf Eldar -- Stuff like all his units being conveniently able to fit in one small building such that they had perfect movement out of it, keeping his fate dice far away from player view, and constantly rolling behind buildings despite me actively telling him to use the dice tray. Still won that game in the end.
One of my friends would try to act cheeky with me in a FNM modern since when we played outside of game store when he would combo I would just scoop immidiately, but when we faced of in tournament in game 3 I would ask show me the kill and they scooped because they had sideboarded lightning storm and the backup piece out since I normally never asked him to show them outside of tournament settings.
I still think about that time I was talking about war of the spark's handling of Chandra and Nissa and another person said with complete confidence that well magic's story doesn't really do romantic relationships anyway. Jace and Vraska of course became a thing a few sets prior and their relationship has been a major plot point up to and including the newest set.
This was really fun. I would want to watch as many story videos like this as you have
I was brand new (this was around Revised) and walked in to try and play at my LGS. Only guy there would only play for ante and picked my Vesuvan Doppleganger (one of the few good cards in my trade binder). He won the toss, dropped a lotus and killed me by turn three (can't remember how). Never really went back to that store and it soured me on magic basically permanently since then. Considering getting back into playing, but don't think I'll wander naively into a game store to do it, and super glad ante is no longer a thing.
Strictly speaking, he was demanding his own crazy custom house rule for ante (which, granted, was common in the era). Rules as written, you can't guarantee any single card will be ante'd, so playing for ante with black lotuses in your deck is a formula for disaster - you'd have only had a 1/40 or 1/60 chance of anteing the Vesuvan, while this idiot's deck sounds way pricier on average. (This was sadly a case where Richard Garfield didn't anticipate the social dynamics... ante has some self-balancing mechanisms in theory that totally didn't work in practice.)
I use to play at a store that treated Regular REL as Competitive. 1 day I wasn't playing (because I was missing cards for my deck) and I was helping the staff run the event. A match was sideboarding and one asked me "can he Mental Misstep my Terminus if I miracle it?" I explained the interaction and his opponent claimed outside assistance and wanted the first player DQ (long story short, second player got DQ'd for racial slurs and treating to kill me and the staff).
My second story, at the same store, presenting to cut my my opponent 5 piles my deck and hands it back. I asked him to shuffle it more if that's all he was doing "I was just trying to undo a double nickle". I should have called a judge and DQ him since apparently that's the norm but I told him "so you're manipulating game materials to your advantage?". He properly shuffled and I lost a 45 minute G1 against bant lifegain control.
New foolproof strategy, cheat and then have your opponent disqualified for outside assistance when they call a judge. The judge is assisting them, right? So unfair.
my friend alex is a "that guy", he plays WAY too fast and will sometimes try to roll back phases even if he has affirmed the go ahead. he also never knows when to just let a game end. he'll 4 mode a fucking Farwell from behind. it's lead to us just not playing with him. he'll frequently tap a creature and say "your dead" and try to move on, giving people no chance to respond. it's insufferable. he plays every game like it's solitaire and moans and groans when he doesn't get one of the 5-10 cards we see him play early every game. he isn't actually a cheater but he skirts that line
I mean... nobody plays Farewell when they're ahead, that's precisely a card you play when you're behind. I agree Farewell makes games take forever but presuming this is Commander, it sounds like your pod should just Rule 0 a local Farewell ban? That's what my group did. No hate on people casting Farewell while it was legal, though.
i like it when funny british man talks of his hate of a single card
I think my favorite Ad Nauseum story was a game years ago where I beat someone at a local Modern event because in game one, my opponent just pitched every land in their hand to Lightning Storm after drawing their deck with Ad Naus & I redirected it back to them with the one land I had in my hand. In game 2, they were smarter & held lands, but I had a Spellskite on board & managed to, through a combination of Spellskite redirections & the bunch of lands I had in my hand, still kill them with their Lightning Storm in game 2. It was hilarious, especially because this person was similar in attitude to Trevor in your story.
So, my FNM was a pretty small town one, and a side effect of this was that the meta was always very specific to that store - everyone knew what everyone else played, if someone brought something new one week then people would shift their sideboards for the next week, etc. We also didn't really have a resident "that guy", instead we would occasionally get people from out of town just bringing the best deck to try to get an easy win at a "casual" FNM.
The same situation played out twice in a row, first with Bogles, then with Ad Nauseum. One person would play it locally because it did well in a recent tournament. People would make additions to their deck specifically to deal with it. Then over the next couple weeks or so we'd get 4-5 cocky SOBs bringing that same deck with the expectation of a free win.
And both times, every single one of them got the most brutal teardown possible.
Bogles players were treated to 3x back to nature in almost every sideboard, with one very adventurous individual running patrician's scorn instead. I think between the 3 bogle players, they connected one attack with an enchanted creature after game 1 the entire night. One guy laughed it off, actually came back fairly regularly, and continued to play bogles despite knowing full well that it may not work out - good guy, nothing but respect for him. The other two threw tantrums and left before prizes due to tilt. One of them never showed up again, and the other tried the same thing with a different friend only with Ad Nauseum.
...Unfortunately they happened to try this during a midrange heavy meta where everyone was playing some form of 3 colour grindfest, most commonly jund or grixis but me and one other person ran mardu pyromancer.
Now, I didn't have fetches, which put me behind the field a little bit - so I started running mainboard pithing needles as a way to counteract fetches. Is that the best idea? Nope. But it was funny as hell. A couple of the other guys even joined in for the meme {and also to shut down Liliana game 1}
Round 2, game 1. I'm against one of the Ad Naus players. Other one is in the game next to mine. Both of them were on the draw, one by roll and one... by choice.
Me and the other local player both turn 1 pithing needle naming spirit guide {we knew they were on Ad Naus from round 1, plus they were bragging about how many "free wins" they'd gotten}.
They just conceded and stormed out.
I ended up winning after a 57 minute game 1 in round 4 that left both players in serious need of sleep. {Seriously those days were the best, the games were INTENSE.}
And that's the only story I have of "That guys" at FNM that doesn't require going over multiple years of lore :P
So I'm the head of our TCG counter at the store I worked at. After taking over for our last TCG guy word got out bout our store things sort of boomed, but I try to maintain a "life/work is hard so we're playing casually every Sunday", we usually close shop at around 5 on those days. However, there have been a few players whom I encourage to play against other people who are winning to use high power levels or just obnoxious decks.
I have a player story bout two players who ran in the same circle but ended up at my store, in my opinion, one of their stories is a great example of a player growing and relaxing while the other is just someone really stuck in their ways, we'll call them Bruce and Tim. I got to play a few games with Bruce, really cool guy but a lot of his decks were built around winning at around turn 4. He apologized bout it after 3 rounds and stated that a lot of his decks we built around hard countering Tim's decks, but after playing at our store it felt like he could have some breathing room with building a fun deck. I didn't fully get what he was saying as I hadn't played against Tim, but a couple weeks later I understood where his deck-building thought process was.
Bout two weeks later a friend of mine ended up in a pod with Tim, we usually start at 12 and they wrapped up their first game at around 1ish. So I'm playing a couple games and noticed we were bout 30 minutes till closing. I look over to my friend and he gives me this frustrated look and tells me "We're still on game 2 and no one has been eliminated." Eventually, I did play a couple games with Tim and I found out all his decks were variations of a stall deck, there were no win cons other than dragging the game out as long as possible until people got frustrated and left. Most people sort of just stopped playing with him and our veteran players even stepped in when Tim tried to rope in newer/younger players. I had to flat-out even tell him that he should throw in some variety with his decks because he started grumbling that it was hard to get a pod going with him even though we had a full house.
Fast forward to now, Bruce has some pretty fun decks to play against while Tim has been using precons, but slightly modified to stall.
At the time of mono red Experimental Frenzy, a player called me (I was judging at the time) to tell me his opponent couldn't play lands from the top of their library. He would believe me when I said they could indeed. He said "If there's one thing I remember from my judging time back in the days, it's that you can't play lands, you put them into play". I had to involve other judges for him to let it go.
My favorite "that guy" story I have is not Mtg, but it has the same energy. I was playing League of Legends with a friend who was having a bad game. I myself was also on the struggle bus, and nothing was going right for our team. A player on the opposing team was giving my friend a hard time and was being horrendously obnoxious and cocky, saying things like "where is the forfeit?" "this is unwinnable for you, fr" and "sorry about your Veigar" (my friend). My friend very earnestly asked that when he put forth a surrender vote, that I do not vote against it. I told him yeah that's fine, and when the surrender vote came, I abstained. Oddly enough, everyone else on the team abstained as well so we kept playing. I realized I was on a team that wasn't going to quit, muted "that guy", and we went to work. We completely turned the game around, and ended up demolishing "that guy" and the other team, not saying a word until the very end when I said "imagine talking...just imagine." And it was perhaps the sweetest of sweet comeback victories; pulling together after a rough start, coming through when it counts, and absolutely humbling "that guy".
The closest i got to a that guy moment was during brother's war prerelease. A guy summoned a creature that I didn't know (because its my first time playing the set, how could i), i picked up the card to read it, and then he said incredibly loudly "dont you dare pick up my cards without my consent." It was a two headed giant game, afterwords my brother (my team mate) and I talked about how we were shook when that guy yelled at me for basically no reason.
My that guy was a judge at an event I was at. 3 of us were sat waiting for another player for commander, and the judge just sits down and says he'll join as he had time between the modern rounds he was working on. We say sure, and bring out our jank, and the judge pulls out his Jodah the Unifier deck, who was new at the time.
He proceeded to drop basically his whole deck on the field, to the point where his creatures were covering up other creatures (including like 10 different kinds of token, all of which were proxies as identical plain card backs) and any time we tried to interact he'd then tell us there's no point because of X card and would literally unearth it from his pile of 20+ legendary creatures, each with unique effects.
The worst part was that he of course had us all dead to rights becuase of Jodah's pumping effect, but he said he felt bad about killing us and just left us on like 3 life and encouraged us to try and team up to beat him, which was never going to happen with him countering our interaction cards.
After a half hour of this purgatory he then says he needs to do his modern event, scoops up and just fucks off.
I was playing standard back in OGW against someone who claimed to be “the inventor of Abzan coco combo” playing displacer broodmother in an otherwise normal coco shell, he both worked for the store and was constantly shifting to whatever the top deck in that weeks mtgo meta was by borrowing cards from the case, meets me in the 2-0 bracket of the fnm and I’m playing $100 mono colorless control that’s only this expensive because my prerelease promo happened to be ulamog (still have it), the entire time I played he just kept repeating “I can’t believe I have to play against this crap last round in the 2-0 bracket, no one ever brings anything good” I then won the match 2-1 (total rewards 3 packs of cards) and afterwards he was hostile whenever he was the only person at the desk, I was 15 at the time, just started going to a different lgs, but it was a shitty thing to happen at the time. The store died during that one thing and I still wonder about the other people in that community sometime
I have a "that guy" story. A guy, "Z", and I were playing at an FNM. The format was SOI draft. The board state was him at 4 life, he controlled one Flameblade Angel. I was at 6 life, and I controlled a 4 power creature and a Quilled Wolf with enough Mana to activate its ability. I swing in for lethal, and Z goes to block, and he then says, "I win." I look at him stunned and I state, "how?" He simply remarked that his Flameblade Angel would trigger from the damage and then deal me lethal... I tell him that the Angel wouldn't trigger because the damage I deal him would cause the game to end. One of us called the store's "judge" over to resolve that ruling, and they couldn't find that specific case on Gatherer... Anyways, it was ruled as a Draw... 😩... This was 8 years ago. The rule he was referring to hadn't been a thing since 2009. Sorry for the long comment. Thank you to any of you whom read this.
urgh horrendous when the store judge is just some guy rather than someone who knows the rules at all. Also the flameblade angel would still only deal 2 damage
@@ab-mc2nq To be honest, I don't remember what life total I was at, but I did have to activate my Quilled Wolf in order to win though.
I just read Flameblade Angel... I took that guy for his word, he was saying it dealt that much damage back... 😩... All I can say is I was too trusting of people.
As an American, im offended that you would call us obnoxious and overly confident. I think you might need some liberation, sir.
/s
I love me some story-time Kenobi❤ more, please!!
Man playing stax complains about storm decks, news at eleven
I’m glad I seen this, I’ve wanted to play this deck just for the nostalgia of things but I didn’t know the specifics of split second so I probably would’ve got this wrong. Thanks for the lesson.
When Throne of Eldraine was in standard I went to the weekly standard tournament at my LGS. One of my opponents was playing some Rakdos meta deck, whereas I brought a janky Naya Giants deck that only even kind of worked because of Once Upon a Time.
The guy had made a few Spiky comments earlier in game one, and there came a point where I had a ton of land but was seemingly dead on board. Unbeknownst to him, I had a Stomp ready to go that I would follow up with a Cast Off, as this was coincidentally the point where I was about to let loose with the giants next turn.
My opponent untaps, draws, looks at me and goes "Game two?".
I snapped a little, looked him dead in the eye and with a slightly raised voice ask "Why, are you conceding!?"
I went on to win that game a turn or two later, and the entire round after that. I tend to be pretty composed, so that little outburst sticks out in my mind, as well as the arrogance of that guy who was so sure he had this casual player beaten that he wasn't even going to bother to actually finish the game.
When I was living back in Illinois this guy would get curbstomped every week using the "top" deck. Our playgroup played a lot of fringe decks so he didn't win often. For example my goblins that evolved to 8whack would steamroller most decks at the time. Then krakclan-Ironworks became a thing. He loved taking the 20 minute turns to get back at our group for beating his money decks. The next week we all sideboarded against the deck and he didn't take a match. We never saw him again.
my most notable ad naus story was during my first local CEDH tournament. i was 1/1/1 at this point with gyruda, and the guy running blue farm gets a turn one ad naus off he gets a few rocks but notably he also gets thoracle and d con. so he casts thassa's and hold prio casting D con, which sparks a counter chain between him and the talion player, which once it hits its peak i just cast mindbreak trap hitting everything. and he just scooped, it was honestly great, even though i lost that game
One guy had a street fight after fnm because some casual commander players were talking about artist bans and censorship and he didn't like the topic of discussion.
We have a “that guy” who without fail was always (and I do mean always) playing Sol Ring turn 1. He would shuffle his own deck and then deal himself 7 cards. He would refuse to let other players cut his deck and so people just started refusing to play with him and would get up and leave.
I love how humble cards like Burrenton Forge-Tender will be forgotten by almost everybody, but live on as the hero in a cherished memory of a particular game or time.
I tried that lgs thing once and got quickly back to my shadowy mancave/castle. That one guy cast tutor on turn one and I was already seeing red, but kept that american psycho smile somehow. Well I was the last in order so I had to duress this obnoxious t--t (of course), this piece of hmmh had like thousand dollar worth of cards in his opening hand and he came to a casual night. I took his best tutor and he didn't talk with anyone the rest of the match, almost crying when I left to another table after the match. He also didn't win so all hail the almighty duress.
TIL how split second actually works, thank you master kenobi
When I played modern regularly. It was usually people not understanding how flickerwisp could be used on end step to remove a lock piece/land/blocker for an entire turn. Trying to bring their cards, or mine, back in the same end step they were exiled. To be fair it’s not a card that usually enters the battlefield on an end step without another wisp/resto/aether vial. But people are very good at forgetting interactions like that when it would work in their favour.
Got a couple funny stories about MTG.
One two-headed giant pre-release during Ixalan block we went ahead and tossed in a sorcerous spyglass, cause why the hell not right? Well my brother had nothing to do on turn 2 in one game so he casts sorcerous spyglass, looks at their hand and there's no abilities outside evolving wilds, so I suggest he just name that. Does so and completely hoses the other player who ALSO had an evolving wild in hand. Was a wild way to win our pre-release in the final game.
There was another time, around Amonkhet block, where there was someone at one of our shops that regularly dabbled in anything and everything meta at the time. I was brewing around with some Red/Black aggro nonsense with Hazoret and some exert cards and I really loved Soul-Scar mage and ran a few copies of Insult // Injury. Opponent had a strong opening with a gideon of the trials around turn 3/4 or so and I managed to cast Injury removing damage prevention and doubling damage and swung on him and got his gideon and some massive damage. Was just a great win because opponent wasn't expecting it at all and had to call a judge for it.
I miss good times in shops playin magic.
Man, as a lifelong ad naus player, this vid hits way too close to home. I was halfway done foiling out my modern ad nauseam deck when spirit guide got banned. Shame on Trevor for misrepresenting split second, he just assumed that all the long text meant that he could just cheat his way to the match win. Lastly, Rest In Peace simian spirit guide, may you come back to us one day. I’d even take an elvish spirt guide with manamorphose at this point😭.
are you the milk guy, PK?
In a four person pod at an lgs, “that guy” was pretty well ahead of the rest of us and had enough damage on board with creatures to kill 2/3 of us. Starts his turn, draw his card, says “okay I win.” And the other two guys (who had played with him a few times before) went to scoop their cards up. I say you gotta play your turn out, because I knew he was gonna swing out to win and I had Sudden Spoiling ready for him.
So he casts like a Craterhoof or something, some kind of overrun effect and declares attacks. All his good attackers are at the other two and he has like lords and mana dorks at me, then says “okay, I win.”
I ask him if he’s done declaring attackers, he says yes and is visibly annoyed now so I call a judge over because I know he’s about to get mad. We explain the boardstate, I ask again if attacks are finished being declared, he says yes, the I cast the Sudden Spoiling turning all his creatures into 0/2’s with no abilities. We each then block and kill most of his best creatures and he dies on the crack back. He was mega salty about it and targeted me the next two or three times I played with him over the next few weeks.
Back when I first got into magic at my old card shop there was this guy that was always kind of strange (although it’s a card shop so that’s nothing new) but to put it into perspective he would eat hamburgers by spinning them with each bight. There was one day at fnm when he was playing his deck bant auras with Geist of saint traft and invisible stalkers. He was up against one of the better players at the shop who was playing aristocrats with the new and hype blood artist. It was his first time playing the deck and from what I could hear he was taking back plays until he ended up winning the game, which resulted in the strange man slamming the table and screeching “This is bull$&@T!!!”. The room was silent for a good 5 seconds while everyone looked up at the attraction. The aristocrat player ended up giving him the win. I’ll always remember that moment fondly.
I worked part time at a hobby shop, that had me tending to FNM and official MTG events, never played magic before that, but it looked fun. Got into through drafts when I was not on shift, and then playing in a local legacy event with a borrowed storm deck (don't remember the exact year but it was around the time people realized ''Past In Flames'' would make it more consistent), it included Ad Nauseam, I liked the deck, but even then realized that at some point I'm just playing solitaire. Nowadays mostly a DnT player, even if I still enjoy a degenerate combo deck here and there, just to spice it up.
I played a Theros sealed event. Last round i got matched against a guy who was apparently a pro player. He was visiting the area and acting like i should know who he is. I was following competitive magic at the time but i'm terrible with names so i just said "ok".
He told me he was in a hurry so we should just call it a tie and split the prizes so he can leave. He said he was doing me a favour because i wasn't going to win.
If he didn't say that last thing i would have agreed. I'm ok with the concept of letting someone off easy to deal with life outside of games.
But i said "no, you're gonna have to play me for it. You can concede if you're in that much of a hurry." He was very tilted.
I would love to say i proceded to crush him, but his skill level definitely backed up his pro player claim. However, I did beat him game 1 and make his eyes go wide. Then games 2 and 3 were both very close. At the end he shook my hand and acknowledged that i was a far better player than he expected at a random event and apologized for the first impressions. Then i helped him rush to get the prizes sorted out so he could go.
I really wish i was better with names. It would make for a better story.
"Is that the milk guy?"
"Why yes! It's 2024's most milkable man in Magic The Gathering, indeed!"
I have a “that combo guy” he would preface each time at our local game store that his deck was not “a combo deck” this was a mono black commander from the warhammer set. He would get upset when I explained to the table what pieces are combo pieces and what should be looked out for. This annoyed him a lot, kept saying he just “happened” to have combos, yet every game I played he tried to combo off to win. It was a bit frustrating that he just wouldn’t admit it. Obviously it was a deck filled with multiple graveyard combos.
There was a former friend who'd play commander and almost every deck he'd play would either be Voltron (Uril) or dependent on the commander to work (Kaalia). His decks were fairly explosive so long as his commander could be on the table for a turn or two, but they'd always fall apart if the commander was dealt with. He'd always get salty if he was hit with something like Leadership Vacuum due to how effective it would be to target him over everyone else. I haven't really seen him for years due to other reasons he's unlikely to reappear for more reasons.
Fun fact: Uril is in the artwork for Leadership Vacuum. I stopped playing Uril when it was spoiled.
Love these stories!
The worst "that guy" I encountered wasn't really by me, but rather my best mate. We'd gotten into MTG at the same time - when Zendikar had just come out; I was about 22 at the time and he was 20. We'd been skilling up within our own little playgroup, and decided to go to our local FNM. Did some drafts for the first few weeks we did, but the first week of every month was standard constructed, and our story takes place on that week. I had a pretty solid standard collection compared to him, so I leant him an elf deck, while I played Jund. I don't believe the elf deck was super consistent, but it wasn't outright terrible.
Anywho, for his first or second round his opponent was just this rude middled age man that kept criticising his card choices (so basically, my card choices - though not even as it was netdecked from a competitive event winner), and my mate's plays. All the while playing some sort of not-really-tier list himself; white weenies or something from memory. I can't even remember who won that matchup, but I do remember the impact it had - my mate swore off MTG outside of playing with friends from that point forward. We still played heaps with our own playgroup, for years, and very occasionally still have a game together to this day, but imagine if that loser had just been friendly and more welcoming - would he have actually fallen in love with competitive Magic and pushed on? Or at least gone to some prereleases and met some cool people (I know I did).
Basically, don't be a dick to other players, *especially* new players who might take you as an example of the entire playerbase.
I remember whilst playing my sliver deck being told that multiple instances of +1/+1 or +2/+2 aren't cumulative.
There was something like this that happened during the hour of revelation pre-release. This dude i know who plays magic was playing against some kid who was clearly newer to the game.
The thing that he did that bugged me thay i called him out on was that he quickly played hia creatures and rushed into combat swinging out to try and kill the kid. And when the kid questioned if he could have used a spell in his hand, i think it may have been a counterspell or something like that, he was like "i mean its too late now cause we are in combat." To which i pointed out that he never gave the kid any time to reapond. After that i walked off and i dont think they walked anything back. Kinda wish id called the judge on him on the kids behalf if im honest.
I have a story for you where I met one of many "that guys" in Oxford UK. A small history is that i used to play a LOT of magic back when the Onslaught block came out and i stopped playing when first "Time Spiral" came out due to study commitments. I started playing again when Midnight Hunt came out. While i know the set was not good, i am a sucker for gothic stuff , especially Werewolves and Vampires, thus, I made a very solid Werewolf deck. I decided to play with my deck on my first FNM after many years since last time I played. I heard for the first time that the format that people were playing was "modern" and i thought that if it is called that ,that must mean that only the newest sets can be played so i was ready to go. My first opponent was playing an Eldrazi tron deck. I started playing my first cards and he noticed that all my cards are from Midnight hunt and he asked "is this a standard deck? ". I replied yes and he told me that i can play with that but i have no chance beating him cause of the carda from older sets(then i got the nasty surprise what "modern" actually is ) and then he chuckled to himself and his friend that was just observing stating "this is going to be so easy". The results? Well, i lowt first round but with my aideboard i won the next two rounds without any fuss. Did i also ststed that was also Game 1? He was visually frustrated , especially after his whole remarks.
So my "That guy" story is also about a guy playing Ad Nauseam !
It was my first ever Magic tournament, I went with no friends into a legacy tournament. Small crowd, around 10 players, but as I am introvert it was a pretty tense situation. I went on to win my first match and was paired against "Kevin". I'm playing MUD and he is playing Ad Nauseam Tendrils. It is a very favorable match up for me in game 1 and doesn't get much worse after sideboard.
So I destroy him game 1 with Chalices and a Sun Titan destroying most of his lands. I keep a risky hand game 2 with no turn 1 play but a couple of Lodestone Golems that can be pretty insane in the match up. Kevin opens with a turn 1 Duress, and I reveal a full creature hand. I let him write everything down and i'm just hoping he doesn't go for a first turn combo kill.
He then proceeds proceeds to point at one of the Lodestone Golem. I take few seconds to think that I maybe confused the Duress with a Thoughtseize and take a look at the card. It is indeed a Duress. In the most shaky voice I ever used, I told him that was a creature and you discard a non creature spell. He then tells me he can because it's an artifact and most artifacts are not creatures. I don't back down and asks around if anyone can rescue me from this predicament and thankfully everyone around says he can't do that. I proceed to beat him down in a couple of turns with Lodestone golems, and went to lose the finals to Death and Taxes with Mangara Karakas Lock.
To this day I still don't know if the guy was a moron who couldn't read, or if it was an attempt at cheating/intimidation of a newbie.
Also not to mention that there are situations you CAN interact with Angel's Grace (or other split second cards) on the stack. Triggered abilities work, and special actions (morph, cards like LED) can be used. If these then cause a triggered ability to activate, that goes on the stack, even while theres a split second spell on the stack!While its unlikely that these were relevant in this particular scenario, its an important nuance regarding split second that it doesn't just say NO, you can't play the game while it's on the stack!
I am somewhat curious what drives paople to do shit like this. I remember when I first started playing, I started out with a burn deck in modern. I vividly remember targeting a searing blaze at an oponents delver of secrets at one of my first FNM's. It would not have killed my opponent immediatly, but would in practice have decided the game if he took the 3. I remember my opponent openly "discussing" with me and himself, and coming to the conclusion that he could prevent the damage if he bounced his delver to hand because a target was gone. When I came home I looked it up, and of cause realized he was wrong. I didn't think much much of it at the time, since it was a complicated game to me at the time, and I assumed that wasn't a common rule. I still caught the magic bug and over the coming months and years I learned the game better and also realized my opponent was a regular competitive player. In hindsight I'm convinced the "discusion" was only for plausible deniability, because there was no way in hell he didn't know what he was doing!
I was eliminated from a GP by losing to Ad Nauseam. I don't really remember the other matches I played, but that one stuck with me. Cool guy.
During Innistrad standard people explained clones to me wrong - saying that when I cast them I had to declare what creature it was entering as a copy of and then if they killed that creature in response it “fizzled” the clone with it entering as a 0/0. Also that I couldn’t clone hexproof creatures like invisible stalker. Lost a few games to that before someone told me how clones actually work.
When i started playing we had this guy named Mike at our LGS who was really good at building strong, creative yet also annoying decks, he loved playing pox for example. One time he dropped an Emrakul turn 3 in a game with like 5 players, dude next to him took Mike's deck and put it back into his deckbox and we continued the game without him while he got a little mad. As much as a nuisance his decks could be, they had just as much character, the fact we crowned the term "Mike-decks" proves that, i liked his Pyromancer Ascension deck so much i decided to build my own. Fun times.
Who the fuck thinks they have any right to put another players deck away
@@velphidrow8317 fair point, but still it was pretty funny. Worth noting that it was a really small store and basically one group of long time friends, i'm certain this wouldn't happen between strangers.
For example, one time mike took my deck and "shuffled" it, flipping cards and putting cards upside down and just messing with it, even taking a card out of a sleeve, turning it by 180 degrees and putting it back, and while it took me just about as long to put the cards back in order we all had a good laugh about it.
Not a particular That Guy, but something that does get on my nerves I've seen a few times at cEDH tables.
To preface, I don't like politics but see why they are important. I just personally enjoy more hands to the chest guessing games. But the thing that reminds me of That Guy energy is people who, in political discussion, are like, "I have this tutor. I can deal with the problem player if this resolves," then wins the game. It feels underhanded to me, like you have to trick the table to let you search a silence effect.
I know in the grand scheme, it's just players playing to their outs in a format that encourages communicating with each other, but it always sits unwell with me
yeah the thing is if you go back on "political" deals you make, you become known for it and people won't trust you
I love Ad Nauseam.
- I miss the way you could combo off in response to my Pact of Negation or lethal City of Brass triggers
- I miss running weird sideboard cards like Sphinx of the Final Word and Bontu's Last Reckoning
- I loved the way that the optimal manabase for this wacky deck consisted of 5-6 scrylands
- I miss how badly the deck shut down Burn, one of the best decks across Modern's wild and long history
- I miss casting Pentad Prism into a Thalia, Guardian of Thraben and using the tax to make it enter with 3 charge counters
It was one of the weirdest decks to ever exist in Modern and I miss it as one would a childhood friend.
There was a guy new to our pod. We play slightly upgraded precons and strange decks like gates or strict tribal. This guy wants to play Anim Pekal, but not "for our group but for another store." So I help him and it can win turn 4 or at least kill the threat turn 4. So he brings it to our pod. I asked why he playing it and he responds with "testing it out" played 2 games with it. Wins turn 5. Second game I just played "whoops all counters" he still wins, turn 8 or so though. So I speak to him privately on discord and his rapist response was "I never said I wouldn't play it against you guys" and "you guys need to get good."
Did I mention he plays poker competitively?
So the following week I bring my Maren Nauseum deck. I played my commander, fish up agent and steal everyone's sol ring and won. Turn 4 Victory for me. I went first so his Anim wasn't fat enough to finish me. Next game, had sol ring and agent in hand. Played agent first befit Maren so he couldn't even get removal. Easy win. So I asked him if he enjoys just shuffling his deck and not actually playing the game? He sarcastically said it was great.
Last game I decided to be a huge ass. I played Maren and agent and just went through people's decks and killed his commander and everything he had in play. Then I proceeded to "do nothing" as I just picked lands from everyone's deck. Even if they got rid of the Op Agent they couldn't play anything.
My friends knew why I was doing it, since they spoke to me about his deck being too strong for our group.
I spoke to him again in private after and he said that we suck. So we kicked him from our pod.
My 2009ish mono white weenies deck put this one guy on tilt for weeks. Every time I would log on, he would try to start a game with me. He would try different decks, but I just kept beating him! lol
Hey!! It was great meeting you for a brief second at commandfest over the weekend at the impromptu meet and greet 😅 I was the large man that shook your hand while you stood at our table chatting
Hopefully, next time, I can play your judges tower
Oh wicked! Thanks for the comment!
It's not a Judges Tower - It's a PARTY BOX.
I have so many stories from my MNM that I might have to tell some. This last Monday was crazy
What a shit guy lmao. These story times are fun! Def something you can do more of!
My story isn't even my story. YEARS back, when Caw Blade mirror matches reigned supreme, a few out-of-towners came to our LGS and thought they could sweep our off-meta fun decks with their copy/paste decklists. I was familiar with the strategies, and ways to counter it, so my match ended pretty quickly, but a friend of mine was playing a control deck, so his game was still ongoing. Out-of-towner (let's call him Trevor to keep things simple) casts his Mind Sculptor. My friend responds by cracking a fetch land for the mana to cast a Mana Leak. But even before he casts, let alone finishes searching for his Island, Trevor cats his own Mana Leak out of impatience. Friend politely tells him to wait until the spell is on the stack before counters are played. Trevor absolutely loses it, picks up his cards, loudly yells "guess we're playing b*tch Magic," and leaves with his friends. Friend is understandably confused and we all have a laugh (many laughs actually) over the course of the rest of the night. Over 10 years later, it still puts a smile on my face.
I have a very positive "that guy" story.
When I first started playing magic, there was a guy in my circle (mostly kids playing on the schoolyard) who was our local tournament grinder. We thought of him as good, because, well, we were kids and he was in the upper classes, and he had relatively ok standard decks, and he stomped us with them every other day. Basically just did some pubstomping at school, I didn't understand at the time how much of a dick move that was. He also did some ripping off at trades back then, that was quite popular with a lot of the older but not quite adult players at the time.
And that was kinda that for a while - I went on to playing mostly limited when I got into serious magic, so we played in different circles.
Then I quit for a few years, had other stuff on my mind. Eventually got back into magic. And after a while at the local game store, I saw this guy walk in and join a draft. M20 it was, I think; at least a coreset. I ended up playing him for first place.
In the final game of the match, it came to a board state where I had a Rapacious Dragon with a +2/+0 equipment and some random 1/1 skeleton. He was at 5. He draws, casts Chandra's Outrage at the Skeleton and dies to my dragon.
I ask him after why he cast the Outrage on the Skeleton, he could have cast it on the dragon and lived. He says, nah, it just deals 2 damage, I told him to read the card again. He does, rips the card in half and storms out without his stuff. Never saw him play limited again after that, and felt quite vindicated about all the pubstomping in my childhood.
A guy at commander night refused to have a pregame discussion about power level. I tried multiple times, he insisted 'lets just play already'. Then he played no interaction and I won with an overrun effect and he spent the rest of the night telling everyone I pubstomped him for fun
I was playing pioneer money matches training for the rcq season. The store i was at has no judge and was generally not super well run, and my opponent was playing rakdos. I was playing mono green, A very bad matchup for rakdos, and the whole time he was angle shooting the way i played/handled my cards. It culminated in him telling me i couldn't crew vehicles after moving to combat, upon which i gave up trying to defend myself and just surrendered because he was going to argue with me about the ruling and i had no judge to back me up. Now i audit each opponent and am a l1 judge.
American confidence (which I am) blows my mind and I love the whole British vibe. I don’t have great levels of confidence, even by British standards, but I think being able to balance that and self reflection is what we all need.
damn, respect. I was worried this would be a whining about cedh stuff but instead it's simply associating a given card with an asshole.
thanks for being better than the rest of the commander content creators, you continue to be emotionally mature and enjoyable to watch while many other creators I used to watch have sadly devolved into hour long video essays about why ghostly prison is horrible
Ad Nauseam is the weak man’s Treasure Hunt.
Five cmc? Multiple spells? Less than 50 lands?
No. 55 lands, 4 Treasure Hunt, and 1x Lightning storm. (Or other alt win con.
Unironically, brewed the, “most optimal,” Treasure Hunt list a few years ago, that came up to being worth like,.. $1000, and a transformational sideboard… that just swapped lighting storm for the “discard to make zombie tokens” card, and the mountains for swamp. If I ever win the lottery I’m building that deck.