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If we talk about Nahida C0 & Nilou C2 vs Nahida C2 & Nilou C0, which one gives more damage to Nilou team? I know Nahida C2 >>>> Nilou C2 but I'm curious about the number.
I pulled for Nahida C2 when she released on 3.2... and at first I actually regret it, mostly because all my savings of 300 fates where gone, as I lost the three 50/50 to Keqing. But after using her and investing in her, that regret dissappeared. She is incredible, just watching those 80k crit hyperblooms is so satisfying
@@iconicimpact23 R1 C2, 4 piece Deepwood, EM EM Crit Damage. She has 881EM, 55CR, 162CD. In hyperbloom I pair her with a Raiden using a 4 piece Paradise Lost with 1,001 EM and a Yelan using Elegy for the End. 4th slot is Alhaitham as a driver and for Dendro Resonance to get 80 more EM. With Nahida’s burst and other external buffs, the hyperblooms get to +40k damage, and with C2 Nahida, it goes to over 80k when crit!
Yep I remember in Nahidas release a lot of TC's were disagreeing with me on her C1 and many thought it useless. This is probably due to ppl only focusing on a few teams where it is less apparent. There was also some sims that showed it as a dps loss (although calcs are often super optimised at c0 with perfectly timed actions + very minmaxed for sustained DPS transformative reactions so ofc that's possible). Definitely a constellation that is overlooked, although I am happy with her at C0.
thank Goodness i never thought that c1 is useless too, longer duration of buffs usually always good and comfortable in any case, i even tempted to c1 nilou someday or only if i got lucky pull, aiming for dr sniki too afterall~
I think there was also the misconception of how it worked, which was adding +1 -only- if you had already a buff active by the way it's worded, rather than +1 to all 3 effects which is pretty good, and besides the duration, gotta appreciate the little dmg boost (pyro) and slightly faster dendro app/dmg ticks (electro)
c1 is actually really noticeable, exactly like u said, the hydro one especially... tried playing c0 nahi with my brother's account, it's always get me when the shrine gone faster than usual XD my Nahi is c2 r1 , and never ever regret it til now~ favorite archon, favorite jp va~ still gonna pull nilou and baizhu though... already skipped nilou back then just for nahi afterall, also for Yusa Koji now for baizhu~ i just wish someday i can find a good team that can combine Nahida and my boy Childe~ or just good dendro team for Childe~
also, coz the shrine has longer duration, that mean nahida need less ER or even no er subs also maybe fine for her (??) i think mine around 120%ish though, but she's EDC-DW set built
He is very good in burgeon team since he prevent burning with his high application. The problem here is that he is applying too much hydro sometimes and wipe the aura… So you need a second off field Dendro for better consistency (but the dendro traveler is not very good because of pyro)
@@CryomancerMK1 That's fair. I feel like plenty of other supports have C2s that improve what they do though (Kazuha, Shenhe, Yelan, Nilou). If Baizhu's C2 allows him to apply enough dendro to be the sole dendro in bloom/hyperbloom/burgeon teams and free up Nahida for the other abyss team then it will be decent (albeit expensive for what it is)
@@insertnamehere2022 just for him and active character actually, since other characters must be within the burst field to get the buff. Still nice though.
so basically, nahida is c2 is the equivalent of pulling a signature on your main + early cons (ofc in dendro teams) That's actually insane buff + it costs less than the later option
@@lalilola3770 yeah so worth pulling. before spending 200+ wishes on nahida c2, i got 36 stars. now after spending 200 wishes i get 36 stars. very worth it
@@lalilola3770 yeah but other units have other gameplay. If you want or need nahida for the team you like. Good get her and 36 star. But c2 won’t change anything. Doesn’t change gameplay to be more fun, doesn’t enable new teams, it just turns your 36 star into a 36 star
@@lalilola3770 yeah. even while c2 is very nice. i'd still not waste potentially 320 wishes extra (not counting c0). rather use that on new characters and the time's now to spare big time for fontaine's cast.
Thank you. I’m F2P but got lucky on first run and got Nahida C1. I run her in different teams with either Alhaitham, Cyno as a DPS this is really useful. Still need to win the 50:50 and hoping for good 4 stars🤞
I'm one of the people that were mentioned in the end. DMG increase is cool and all, but new characters are just cooler and enable different playstyles and if "powercreep" were to happen, not playing a c0 5 star anymore, would hurt less than not playing a c2r1 character anymore
@@bloddrinkeraka oh yes I don't mean powercreep perse in something that does the same but stronger. I mean that we can only play 2 teams and that's it. It's not like my zhongli, gwnyu or xiao necessarily have counterparts that do what they do, but better (except you can argue AYAKA, wanderer), but the reason I'm not using them is that I alr have 2 teams in Hb and national. If I get new chars 2ith new teams and don't use the old ones, it would be better to have "wasted" 1 5 star pull instead of 3. In the end it doesn't matter that much, it's just how I feel
I view it differently about the impact of powercreep on investment. For example, pulling cons will give you an 80k dps team while pulling more chars will give you 2-3 teams with 50k dps. Powercreep will make all 50k team struggle while 80k team can still clear contents. In the end, nothing wrong with both side of thinking because this game is very mild on powercreep and abyss is just 15 mins stuff every 2 weeks.
@@shi-885 yes. It's not like it matters that much in the end. I can comfortably clear all abysses 36 star with like 1 minute left anyways, even without 5 star weapons and constellations. In the end it's just preference and id prefer new characters with new playstyles over plain power
Fr i agree with the power creep too. Happened in Fontaine characters, now in natlan characters. That's why it's nore viable to invest more in support characters, esp as an f2p
C1 is actually way better than u think. Think about it this way, it gives buff from having hydro pyro electro +1 EVEN THOUGH you DONT have that element on the team. For example you are mono dendro, then nahida c1 is still in effect that how good it is.
I think if you’re f2p or a low spender C2 just isn’t worth it especially if you don’t have the characters or team comps to support with her C2 which is likely the case if you’re relatively new to the game. If you don’t have characters who can take advantage of her C2 like Alhaitham, Cyno, Nilou, Tighnari, Keqing, Kuki, Fischl yet, her C2 can feel a lot less impactful. Plus you can only have Nahida on one team so if you don’t have another solid team comp or two for the spiral abyss I think C2 is considerable if you already have a well invested account. If you don’t mind spending potentially 540 wishes (if you’re starting out Nahida-less and are really unlucky) and other well-invested team comps C2 is good but if you’re just starting out and are more limited with your primogem budget it might be better to get more characters and expand your roster and C0 Nahida is still good enough.
I'm glad I skipped a couple of banners(Tighnari, Cyno) and chose Nilou and Nahida before. I was able to get both and C1 Nahida and I'll be going for her C2 in this coming rerun. Also regarding C1, the effect I like the most is the +1 electro(trigger interval decrease) of her E, especially for Nilou bloom team where I use Nahida the most. At lvl 10 burst, the trigger interval will become 2.05s from 2.5s, which makes dendro application faster, therefore making the bloom ownership to Hydro units(Kokomi driver) easier.
same, fortunately the 5 stars I liked that were leaked (Al Haitham, Nilou, Nahida) were the best ones, and I did pull on Scara as well while skipping Dehya, Cyno, Tighari and I may randomly get Dehya and Tighari while going for Nahida c2 as that benefits all 3 of those units I pulled.
Gonna get C2 Nahida in 5.1 I like my Clorinde, Yae, Fischl and Keqing even with C0 Nahida, but C2 just supports them more than anything else. Razor, Thoma and Tighnari benefitting as well is just a welcome Bonus to it
On quicken and/or hyperbloom teams with Lisa, to what extent does the presence of her A4 passive's def shred affect the % team damage increase that Nahida provides?
If an enemy is lvl90, then 15% def-shred = 8% damage increase (~18%more damage if -30%def shred) If you're against lvl100 enemy in Abyss then it's around 0.5% higher.
To keep it short, Lisa A4 increases the strength of Nahida C2 by a small amount. DEF shred has increasing returns until you hit the cap of 90%. Not to be confused with DEF ignore (Raiden and Yae cons) which have diminishing returns with Nahida C2
Lisa and Ayaka are different from Raiden. First, regarding Lisa/Ayala/Razor/Klee who have DEF shred: Nahida C2 has positive returns with prior DEF shred, capping out at a max of 90% shred. The actual change in damage is relatively minor however, so for all intents, you can assume that Nahida C2 is always a 20% damage increase. To be more specific, the maximum increase Nahida C2 gives appears when you apply it to an enemy who already has 60% DEF shred. In that instance, the percent change in damage, assuming the enemy is lvl 90, is equal to 27%. Meanwhile, for Raiden, which is a DEF ignore, it actually has diminishing returns. Nahida C2 goes from being a 17% increase in damage at base against equal level enemies, to a 9.4% damage increase for C2 Raiden, for example.
@@crt137 that's really interesting, i figured there would be differences in mechanics between reduction and ignore but i didn't expect ignore to do much worse with Nahida's C2.
This is exactly what I needed, thank you! Have 90 pulls on 60 pity (50/50) and could either c3/c4 ayaka on current patch, or wait and guarantee a c0 Baizhu, or guarantee c0->c1 Nahida if not c2 her if I win 50/50. Since I already have c2r1 Alhaitham, Nahida seems like the best choice, particularly if Kuki ends up on the banner since she’s c4 and could maybe get to c6 with that many pulls. Considered Baizhu for Yoimiya, or Nilou and kaveh, but just don’t seem like I’ve got enough saved to go down that route.
@@johnd7760 Yeah but you don't use the other em buffing sources in teams where Kazuha is used, so that point is irrelevant outside dendro teams. It is still a better pull for your account than Raiden's C2.
The thing with kazuha c2 is that it’s not very useful in certain teams, like he said in the vid, when you don’t use the burst or when the on field unit does not care for em (in freeze for example). On the other hand nahida c2 is significant in any team you put her in (except burning, but like bruh…)
@@blainetuan3689 Your attention span is invalid. I said not that strong to be alongside those two broken c2, hence the word "that". Not my fault u simp him that much to think clearly.
just got her c2 very happy, was wondering if i put jean as a 4th spot with kuki and xingqiu, will jean trigger some hypebloom during her aoe skill resulting in less damage since she only has 80em and kuki has 900em
I don’t think so . . . Jeans burst infuses chara with Anemo Unless u were using Dori c6 (which infuses on-field chara with Electro) with Jean, her burst shouldn’t swirl Electro and trigger Hyperbloom that way Only way I can see it happening is if an Electro-infused enemy crosses burst barrier, but that isn’t often enough to be a problem In short, u should be good!!
How can a 20% chance for 100%more damage end in only 10% damage increase. it should be an average of 20% ... But thank you for reasuring me i want c2. I had like 400pulls saved up for Nahida and on her relase thinking c2 would be save. I lost every 50/50 and was stuck with a c1 Nahida after losing the 3rd time.
Not really no. If you want more personal damage out of nahida, pick up kaguras verity next time yae miko reruns. The passive takes a couple of skill usages to get the full benefit, but at least you don't have to deal with the 20 secs of downtime. If you want a good 5 star support weapon, I'd suggest waiting for the 5 star bow elegy for the end to come back. It gives 20% ATK and 100 EM to the whole party with ER as it's secondary stat. You can use it on any supporting bow character on your team, whereas thousand floating dreams really only works on nahida, or maybe some kind of klee burgeon comp. Realistically though, if you're F2P or a low spender, you shouldn't pull on the weapon banner at all if you're not prepared to go maxed fate points full pity for it. You'll add more value to your account and probably have more fun pulling for more characters.
To put it simply, pulling for Baizhu is like purchasing a new gun, it has a lot of cool features and can be useful in new situations but it is still just a gun; while getting C2 Nahida is equivalent to weaponizing yourself with a rocket launcher
With the rumors of a Alhaitham rerun in 3.7 i'm not risking her C2. Her C0 is enough and i already have that since 3.2. I know its unlikely and questionable, but i really want Alhaitham.
Man I kinda hope hes’s second half cause I have 270 fates. Just used 50 to get C2 Kuki and Layla. Im gonna wait to see if Al Haitham is with Yae, cause maybe I can wish on weapon banner and get one of their bis. Then If I miss Al Haitham, 50/50 I’ll save for 3.8 which probably has Eula.
nahida really loves me on her first banner she came home in early pity winning 5050 on her second rerun she came home again at very early pity winning 5050 again I'm now at C1 I hope I get C2 😁😁
It is said that C2 Nahida is a better upgrade to Alhaitham's constellations, but since my Alhaitham is already C6, I wonder if C2 Nahida is still worth it?
No joke, I pulled Nahida C1 in version 3.2 by accident. I actually wanted Bennett and it took me 80 wishes to get him... Later I realized that Nahida is pretty handy and now I try to get her C2... :D
I was considering to pull on the weapon banner of the next patch since it will have both usable weapons for my account. Now I need to get extremaly lucky to get a single or more copies of nahida for her constellations...
@@FischlInsultsMePls I was considering pulling in the weapon banner for my nahida and Kuki, but i think that i will just save or pull on nahida's banner
If weap banner has that pog em sword again, u can try at least for that' rl great for kazu and kuki. But hard decision if u want one of the weaps and Nahida cons.. That catalyst looks dope on her and sucrose, which is important for me😂
I like when enemies dies quicker My arti luck is shit But my weapons banner is too good :-P So now, i prefer pulling for cons than different characters bcuz hell i dont wanna bother building em (Refering to arti :-\ :-P) Well then with this info my map to get cons is Now; C2 nahida > C1 yelan = c1 kazuha > c2 kazuha > c2 yelan > c0-c3 raiden > c1 hutao (my c0 hutao is strong enough n my gameplay good enough to clear abyss but ofcourse i want that quality life improvement )
If only the game gives enough primogems for a 5 star character per update instead of 2 updates. I’m still saving from pulling Raiden’s C2 & Hu Tao C1, but putting Nahida, Nilou & Baizhu in one update is a dick move.
the game is f2p. it needs to make money to continue providing live service so f2p players can keep playing for free. don't need to be nasty with words :)
Depends who you have in Nahida team and the Abyss floor. if her as on fielder, Raiden's is faster definitely.. from my experience. With Alhaitham c0, it came rl close.. it's mostly that Hypercarry animations last less than Nahida's teams.. i rarely use old school Rational but Nahida's should be faster.
On average Nahida c2 hyperbloom team will buff the damage of each member by about 17% and the Hyperbloom trigger 20%. Raiden c2 will buff her damage by about 43%. Nahida c2 buffs the damage of sub dps characters while Raiden c2 buffs her hyper carry self. In a hypercarry situation Raiden c2 is far stronger since all the buffs are being focused into her to magnify that defense shred. It will be more expensive to make Nahida c2 do more damage since every sub dps has to be well built while only Raiden needs to be well built and the supports do not need to be that strong. I think Nahida c2 has more potential at very high team investment than Raiden c2 who will hit her limit sooner.
I have her C6 R1 (she was my first C6 limited 5 star) and I don’t regret going for it Her C1 is amazing QOL Her C2 is an insane dmg buff Her C4 lets me cap out her Crit and dmg bonus passive And her C6 let me skip alhetham cuz now she’s a dendro on field dps An amazing character overall and works everywhere and everything dendro
@@insertnamehere2022 Exactly, lol, it's some kind of strategy but it will wear off, hardcore whales will wake up eventually.. Another example, Dehya constellations locked to actually be somewhat good 💀
C1 nahida is actually super underrated especially that a lot of best dendro teams are taking 2 dendro characters and 2 different elements characters , which means you get the full usage of the constellation
Generally, it isn't tbh, the buff won't do much in practice. The best use of it is probably if you're playing triple dendro, solo electro since you get 3 activations of it. Even then though the extra damage is minimal and the hydro buff is nice, but not that useful. If you're playing double dendro double electro or double dendro double hydro it doesn't do much at all. With double Electro you get a few more seonds of burst uptime which is nice but it won't change much. With double hydro you get a bit more damage on e but when your e is no longer triggering spread that extra damage doesn't amount to much, you get a bit of extra dendro app but it's in no way a noticeable amount. Also, the best teams that include her are generally hyperbloom ones, with either double dendro, double hydro, or double electro. In these teams, the C1 has an even lower value. Also if you're playing double element with double dendro you don't get full value since you're just not upgrading one of the elements at all.
You could us c1 with anything except for a Nilou team, since she won’t get much benefit due to only having hydro and Dendro. Hydro buff increases the duration, but her burst has a very short cooldown. (Also if you have two hydro already, there is no difference.)
im just gonna stick around with my c0 nahida for now. I might pull for kuki shinobu if she ends up on her banner and right now im at 65pity and i dont think i can get shenha before the banners end so who knows, maybe i can get c1 nahida while pulling kuki but c2 just seems a bit not possible for me
@@TheGenshinScientist yeah I know that, I just meant it would be a nice small buff to burning if it also offered defense shred. It wouldn't affect burning damage but it would affect everything else, right?
I'd C2 her if the game had difficult content that justified it. But, with this game being as easy as it is now, I'd rather have 2 other characters I can have fun with experimenting with new teams. Overkilling mobs with huge numbers is fun, but not that fun IMO
Honestly, this. I need to constantly remind myself that the difference between 33 stars and 36 stars is 50 primos; it's just not worth it, at least to me, to get non C0 characters. That being said, I did make that mistake last year and went for C1 Kazuha, so I'm gonna get his C2 and call it a day. I'm currently 40 into a 50/50 pity, I have C5 Kuki, no Layla, and don't care about Dori; even putting a 10 pull in there to try to snipe C6 or C0 Layla seems not worth it when I have C6 Diona, and there's the fact that I want Kaveh much more.
@@chanderule605 Nahida is currently the best unit in the game. I don't see her being surpassed until Focalors. Her c2 is absolutely broken. Try get her to around 1000 EM and the carnage and destruction one snol little radish can do is almost laughable.
@@jardejay8804 First of all, not really, Xingqiu is overall superior Second of all, why? Why should I make a strong unit stronger? Which part of content needs it so much that Id rather get her C2 over 2 new characters?
@@chanderule605 calm down. I 36* abyss and have c6 fully built xingqiu... Nahida is much better, at c0. Why build my characters? Cuz I want to see more carnage an destruction. I enjoy seeing high HP enemies dying in seconds. I'm assuming by the way your going on, your a player with most units already... I'm a day one player so I have nearly every unit so all I can do is make already broken ones... More broken. Obviously if you don't have a lot of units, save your primos. That's what I would do in that situation. But my situation is I have all of them anyway, well the good ones. (Edit - and I have a ridiculous surplus of primogems as I have all the 5 star units to the constilations I want them to. I'll have more than enough for the good Fontaine characters.... Atm Nahida, she's the only one I would like cons for. Since I have cons for most other 5 stars as for me they have all rerun a lot now.)
@@jardejay8804 lol I am calm, Im simply pointing out that Xingqiu is overall better as he provides way more utility No, you dont get my point Resin and primogems are not the same, you can build Nahida without sacrificing 2 5* event pulls
I think C2 nahida is kinda overrated , its worth 2 5 stars but its only 15-20% damage increase , getting a weapon like elgay already buff the team by almost 20% or getting bis for your main DPS
The difference is it's for all nahida teams. Alhaitham spread/tighnari spread/raiden hyperbloom/nilou bloom/cyno quickbloom/Keqing aggravate And it's teamwide. it's 20% increase for the whole team but getting alhaitham's weapon for example is only 20% for himself which is like 12% for the whole team And elegy doesn't buff by that much at all. it increases it by like 5~10%.
Forgot to mention it's around a 15% dmg increase for most Nilou teams!
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If we talk about Nahida C0 & Nilou C2 vs Nahida C2 & Nilou C0, which one gives more damage to Nilou team? I know Nahida C2 >>>> Nilou C2 but I'm curious about the number.
yessir 🫡
What is a bigger increase for nilou teams? Nahida C2 or the key of kaj-nisut?
@@wansper9297 key
I pulled for Nahida C2 when she released on 3.2... and at first I actually regret it, mostly because all my savings of 300 fates where gone, as I lost the three 50/50 to Keqing. But after using her and investing in her, that regret dissappeared. She is incredible, just watching those 80k crit hyperblooms is so satisfying
80k hyperblooms is crazy wtf
How are you running her? Triple EM 4x Deepwood?
@@iconicimpact23 R1 C2, 4 piece Deepwood, EM EM Crit Damage. She has 881EM, 55CR, 162CD. In hyperbloom I pair her with a Raiden using a 4 piece Paradise Lost with 1,001 EM and a Yelan using Elegy for the End. 4th slot is Alhaitham as a driver and for Dendro Resonance to get 80 more EM. With Nahida’s burst and other external buffs, the hyperblooms get to +40k damage, and with C2 Nahida, it goes to over 80k when crit!
Yep I remember in Nahidas release a lot of TC's were disagreeing with me on her C1 and many thought it useless. This is probably due to ppl only focusing on a few teams where it is less apparent. There was also some sims that showed it as a dps loss (although calcs are often super optimised at c0 with perfectly timed actions + very minmaxed for sustained DPS transformative reactions so ofc that's possible). Definitely a constellation that is overlooked, although I am happy with her at C0.
thank Goodness i never thought that c1 is useless too, longer duration of buffs usually always good and comfortable in any case, i even tempted to c1 nilou someday or only if i got lucky pull, aiming for dr sniki too afterall~
Tc's nowadays are stuck inside their own fav meta box and aren't looking outside the box.
Wow really? Her C1 is decent many seems to confuse how C1 mean then.
Alright
How is her C1 in any context possibly a dps loss? I never heard a single TCer say anything even remotely close to that
I think there was also the misconception of how it worked, which was adding +1 -only- if you had already a buff active by the way it's worded, rather than +1 to all 3 effects which is pretty good, and besides the duration, gotta appreciate the little dmg boost (pyro) and slightly faster dendro app/dmg ticks (electro)
c1 is actually really noticeable, exactly like u said, the hydro one especially...
tried playing c0 nahi with my brother's account, it's always get me when the shrine gone faster than usual XD
my Nahi is c2 r1 , and never ever regret it til now~ favorite archon, favorite jp va~
still gonna pull nilou and baizhu though... already skipped nilou back then just for nahi afterall, also for Yusa Koji now for baizhu~
i just wish someday i can find a good team that can combine Nahida and my boy Childe~
or just good dendro team for Childe~
also, coz the shrine has longer duration, that mean nahida need less ER or even no er subs also maybe fine for her (??)
i think mine around 120%ish though, but she's EDC-DW set built
He is very good in burgeon team since he prevent burning with his high application. The problem here is that he is applying too much hydro sometimes and wipe the aura… So you need a second off field Dendro for better consistency (but the dendro traveler is not very good because of pyro)
@@lafeechloe6998 And the pyro chara with him is thoma right?
maybe i'll try nahi-thoma-baizhu-childe when i got baizhu...
So now, u regret it? bad choice of words lol.
@@johnd7760 huh? i didnt? would never regret it? did i miss type something?
All these characters having crazy C2's just rubs salt in the wound as a Baizhu wanter wishing his was better 😭
@John Melendez yeah, the only other c2 that is on that level is ayaka's but is still situational, the rest are kinda meh
Maybe add Kazuha C2 for that juicy 200 EM
@@CryomancerMK1 That's fair. I feel like plenty of other supports have C2s that improve what they do though (Kazuha, Shenhe, Yelan, Nilou). If Baizhu's C2 allows him to apply enough dendro to be the sole dendro in bloom/hyperbloom/burgeon teams and free up Nahida for the other abyss team then it will be decent (albeit expensive for what it is)
@@CryomancerMK1 kazuha C2 is very powerful giving 200 em to youre entire party
@@insertnamehere2022 just for him and active character actually, since other characters must be within the burst field to get the buff. Still nice though.
I don't usually get limited 5 stars constellations but for Nahida C2 I'm considering since I love dendro teams
so basically, nahida is c2 is the equivalent of pulling a signature on your main + early cons (ofc in dendro teams)
That's actually insane buff + it costs less than the later option
Yeah, Nahida's c2 is one of the best c2s in the game. Totally worth pulling even for f2p.
@@lalilola3770 yeah so worth pulling. before spending 200+ wishes on nahida c2, i got 36 stars. now after spending 200 wishes i get 36 stars. very worth it
@@MeAmSmart you can get 36 stars with worse units, so what now? I'm not saying you should pull for c2, I'm saying it's worth pulling for it.
@@lalilola3770 yeah but other units have other gameplay. If you want or need nahida for the team you like. Good get her and 36 star. But c2 won’t change anything. Doesn’t change gameplay to be more fun, doesn’t enable new teams, it just turns your 36 star into a 36 star
@@lalilola3770 yeah. even while c2 is very nice. i'd still not waste potentially 320 wishes extra (not counting c0). rather use that on new characters and the time's now to spare big time for fontaine's cast.
Thank you. I’m F2P but got lucky on first run and got Nahida C1. I run her in different teams with either Alhaitham, Cyno as a DPS this is really useful. Still need to win the 50:50 and hoping for good 4 stars🤞
I'm one of the people that were mentioned in the end. DMG increase is cool and all, but new characters are just cooler and enable different playstyles and if "powercreep" were to happen, not playing a c0 5 star anymore, would hurt less than not playing a c2r1 character anymore
They'll never powercreep Archons. Even Venti isn't powercreept in CC
@@bloddrinkeraka oh yes I don't mean powercreep perse in something that does the same but stronger. I mean that we can only play 2 teams and that's it. It's not like my zhongli, gwnyu or xiao necessarily have counterparts that do what they do, but better (except you can argue AYAKA, wanderer), but the reason I'm not using them is that I alr have 2 teams in Hb and national. If I get new chars 2ith new teams and don't use the old ones, it would be better to have "wasted" 1 5 star pull instead of 3. In the end it doesn't matter that much, it's just how I feel
I view it differently about the impact of powercreep on investment. For example, pulling cons will give you an 80k dps team while pulling more chars will give you 2-3 teams with 50k dps. Powercreep will make all 50k team struggle while 80k team can still clear contents. In the end, nothing wrong with both side of thinking because this game is very mild on powercreep and abyss is just 15 mins stuff every 2 weeks.
@@shi-885 yes. It's not like it matters that much in the end. I can comfortably clear all abysses 36 star with like 1 minute left anyways, even without 5 star weapons and constellations. In the end it's just preference and id prefer new characters with new playstyles over plain power
Fr i agree with the power creep too. Happened in Fontaine characters, now in natlan characters. That's why it's nore viable to invest more in support characters, esp as an f2p
C1 is actually way better than u think. Think about it this way, it gives buff from having hydro pyro electro +1 EVEN THOUGH you DONT have that element on the team. For example you are mono dendro, then nahida c1 is still in effect that how good it is.
I said it's good tho
I go to bed each night and pray for your continued safety.
Your video is first to cover Nahida's rerun! Let's GO!!
I think if you’re f2p or a low spender C2 just isn’t worth it especially if you don’t have the characters or team comps to support with her C2 which is likely the case if you’re relatively new to the game. If you don’t have characters who can take advantage of her C2 like Alhaitham, Cyno, Nilou, Tighnari, Keqing, Kuki, Fischl yet, her C2 can feel a lot less impactful. Plus you can only have Nahida on one team so if you don’t have another solid team comp or two for the spiral abyss I think C2 is considerable if you already have a well invested account.
If you don’t mind spending potentially 540 wishes (if you’re starting out Nahida-less and are really unlucky) and other well-invested team comps C2 is good but if you’re just starting out and are more limited with your primogem budget it might be better to get more characters and expand your roster and C0 Nahida is still good enough.
Underated comment
Agree with you
I'm glad I skipped a couple of banners(Tighnari, Cyno) and chose Nilou and Nahida before. I was able to get both and C1 Nahida and I'll be going for her C2 in this coming rerun.
Also regarding C1, the effect I like the most is the +1 electro(trigger interval decrease) of her E, especially for Nilou bloom team where I use Nahida the most. At lvl 10 burst, the trigger interval will become 2.05s from 2.5s, which makes dendro application faster, therefore making the bloom ownership to Hydro units(Kokomi driver) easier.
same, fortunately the 5 stars I liked that were leaked (Al Haitham, Nilou, Nahida) were the best ones, and I did pull on Scara as well while skipping Dehya, Cyno, Tighari and I may randomly get Dehya and Tighari while going for Nahida c2 as that benefits all 3 of those units I pulled.
If you're planning to pull for Cyno, remember that he needs C2 or his weapon
Actually burgeon teams are very good with electro characters that don't steal blooms so they can use the res shred but I don't know about burning
Gonna get C2 Nahida in 5.1
I like my Clorinde, Yae, Fischl and Keqing even with C0 Nahida, but C2 just supports them more than anything else.
Razor, Thoma and Tighnari benefitting as well is just a welcome Bonus to it
On quicken and/or hyperbloom teams with Lisa, to what extent does the presence of her A4 passive's def shred affect the % team damage increase that Nahida provides?
If an enemy is lvl90, then 15% def-shred = 8% damage increase (~18%more damage if -30%def shred)
If you're against lvl100 enemy in Abyss then it's around 0.5% higher.
Without lisa
2/(2-0.3) = 117.6%
With lisa
1.85/(1.85-0.3) = 119.4%
So it makes it 2% better
To keep it short, Lisa A4 increases the strength of Nahida C2 by a small amount. DEF shred has increasing returns until you hit the cap of 90%.
Not to be confused with DEF ignore (Raiden and Yae cons) which have diminishing returns with Nahida C2
do you know how Nahida's C2 interacts with other defense debuff like Lisa, Raiden, Ayaka, and Klee?
Lisa and Ayaka are different from Raiden.
First, regarding Lisa/Ayala/Razor/Klee who have DEF shred: Nahida C2 has positive returns with prior DEF shred, capping out at a max of 90% shred.
The actual change in damage is relatively minor however, so for all intents, you can assume that Nahida C2 is always a 20% damage increase. To be more specific, the maximum increase Nahida C2 gives appears when you apply it to an enemy who already has 60% DEF shred. In that instance, the percent change in damage, assuming the enemy is lvl 90, is equal to 27%.
Meanwhile, for Raiden, which is a DEF ignore, it actually has diminishing returns. Nahida C2 goes from being a 17% increase in damage at base against equal level enemies, to a 9.4% damage increase for C2 Raiden, for example.
@@crt137 that's really interesting, i figured there would be differences in mechanics between reduction and ignore but i didn't expect ignore to do much worse with Nahida's C2.
This is exactly what I needed, thank you!
Have 90 pulls on 60 pity (50/50) and could either c3/c4 ayaka on current patch, or wait and guarantee a c0 Baizhu, or guarantee c0->c1 Nahida if not c2 her if I win 50/50. Since I already have c2r1 Alhaitham, Nahida seems like the best choice, particularly if Kuki ends up on the banner since she’s c4 and could maybe get to c6 with that many pulls.
Considered Baizhu for Yoimiya, or Nilou and kaveh, but just don’t seem like I’ve got enough saved to go down that route.
Would the self-damage from Nilou's blooms crit as well? I don't have Kokomi so I have to rely on Barbara and Yaoyao to keep my team alive.
It does not, since the condition to crit is that the target has nahida skill applied to them
@@simonditomasso9868 Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying
*C2 IMPACT!* 😃
C2 nahida is really strong. Probably one of the best C2 among all 5*s along with C2 Raiden & C2 Kazooha.
lol c2 kazuha isn't THAT strong, we alr have many ways of em buffing now for it to be at the top.
@@johnd7760 Yeah but you don't use the other em buffing sources in teams where Kazuha is used, so that point is irrelevant outside dendro teams. It is still a better pull for your account than Raiden's C2.
@@johnd7760 C2 Kazuha is STILL strong. Just because we have other ways of EM-buffing doesn’t make C2 Kazuha any less strong. Your point is invalid
The thing with kazuha c2 is that it’s not very useful in certain teams, like he said in the vid, when you don’t use the burst or when the on field unit does not care for em (in freeze for example). On the other hand nahida c2 is significant in any team you put her in (except burning, but like bruh…)
@@blainetuan3689 Your attention span is invalid.
I said not that strong to be alongside those two broken c2, hence the word "that". Not my fault u simp him that much to think clearly.
Does Nahida c2 work with Nilou bountiful cores?
yes
just got her c2 very happy, was wondering if i put jean as a 4th spot with kuki and xingqiu, will jean trigger some hypebloom during her aoe skill resulting in less damage since she only has 80em and kuki has 900em
I don’t think so . . . Jeans burst infuses chara with Anemo
Unless u were using Dori c6 (which infuses on-field chara with Electro) with Jean, her burst shouldn’t swirl Electro and trigger Hyperbloom that way
Only way I can see it happening is if an Electro-infused enemy crosses burst barrier, but that isn’t often enough to be a problem
In short, u should be good!!
thanks!
How can a 20% chance for 100%more damage end in only 10% damage increase. it should be an average of 20% ... But thank you for reasuring me i want c2. I had like 400pulls saved up for Nahida and on her relase thinking c2 would be save. I lost every 50/50 and was stuck with a c1 Nahida after losing the 3rd time.
because of other sources of damage that aren't buffed by the cons
Question is nihida signature worth pulling at all . If you have a R5 Widsith.
Not really no. If you want more personal damage out of nahida, pick up kaguras verity next time yae miko reruns. The passive takes a couple of skill usages to get the full benefit, but at least you don't have to deal with the 20 secs of downtime.
If you want a good 5 star support weapon, I'd suggest waiting for the 5 star bow elegy for the end to come back. It gives 20% ATK and 100 EM to the whole party with ER as it's secondary stat. You can use it on any supporting bow character on your team, whereas thousand floating dreams really only works on nahida, or maybe some kind of klee burgeon comp.
Realistically though, if you're F2P or a low spender, you shouldn't pull on the weapon banner at all if you're not prepared to go maxed fate points full pity for it. You'll add more value to your account and probably have more fun pulling for more characters.
I have her at C0, gonna go for the C2
So is there a way to increase the crit rate and crit damage that c2 provide for bloom/hyperbloom or is it fixated crit dmg/rate?
U get increased CR and CD from Nahida’s Ascencion 1(?) passive
Minimum needed for maximum buff is 1,000 EM
no, it is fixed
Was really thinking about pulling baizhu to improve my cyno team, I might just go for C2 nahida and improve all my teams instead
To put it simply, pulling for Baizhu is like purchasing a new gun, it has a lot of cool features and can be useful in new situations but it is still just a gun; while getting C2 Nahida is equivalent to weaponizing yourself with a rocket launcher
@@FischlInsultsMePls this 😂
Baizhu won’t improve cyno’s best team which is quickbloom, and nahida c2 for that team is incredible (as shown on my yt channel if you care)
With the rumors of a Alhaitham rerun in 3.7 i'm not risking her C2. Her C0 is enough and i already have that since 3.2.
I know its unlikely and questionable, but i really want Alhaitham.
Man I kinda hope hes’s second half cause I have 270 fates. Just used 50 to get C2 Kuki and Layla. Im gonna wait to see if Al Haitham is with Yae, cause maybe I can wish on weapon banner and get one of their bis. Then If I miss Al Haitham, 50/50 I’ll save for 3.8 which probably has Eula.
nahida really loves me on her first banner she came home in early pity winning 5050 on her second rerun she came home again at very early pity winning 5050 again I'm now at C1 I hope I get C2 😁😁
It is said that C2 Nahida is a better upgrade to Alhaitham's constellations, but since my Alhaitham is already C6, I wonder if C2 Nahida is still worth it?
it's still is even though. you can use for other things like a 2nd hyperbloom. also i think more damage.
No joke, I pulled Nahida C1 in version 3.2 by accident. I actually wanted Bennett and it took me 80 wishes to get him... Later I realized that Nahida is pretty handy and now I try to get her C2... :D
I got C2 on release I’m going for C4 now
I was considering to pull on the weapon banner of the next patch since it will have both usable weapons for my account. Now I need to get extremaly lucky to get a single or more copies of nahida for her constellations...
Most five stars catalyst aren't worth it, if you decide to go for the weapon banner still, better select Nilou's sword on the epitomized path
@@FischlInsultsMePls I was considering pulling in the weapon banner for my nahida and Kuki, but i think that i will just save or pull on nahida's banner
If weap banner has that pog em sword again, u can try at least for that' rl great for kazu and kuki.
But hard decision if u want one of the weaps and Nahida cons.. That catalyst looks dope on her and sucrose, which is important for me😂
Question: does C2 nahida allow Crit to happen with Burning? and with Nilou’s bountiful cores?
Yes
yes
I like when enemies dies quicker
My arti luck is shit
But my weapons banner is too good :-P
So now, i prefer pulling for cons than different characters bcuz hell i dont wanna bother building em
(Refering to arti :-\ :-P)
Well then with this info my map to get cons is Now;
C2 nahida > C1 yelan = c1 kazuha > c2 kazuha > c2 yelan > c0-c3 raiden > c1 hutao
(my c0 hutao is strong enough n my gameplay good enough to clear abyss but ofcourse i want that quality life improvement )
If only the game gives enough primogems for a 5 star character per update instead of 2 updates. I’m still saving from pulling Raiden’s C2 & Hu Tao C1, but putting Nahida, Nilou & Baizhu in one update is a dick move.
the game is f2p. it needs to make money to continue providing live service so f2p players can keep playing for free. don't need to be nasty with words :)
How is it compared to Raiden C2 in terms or personal/team dps in teams like Rational and Hypercarry?
Raiden C2 or Kusa C2?
Depends who you have in Nahida team and the Abyss floor. if her as on fielder, Raiden's is faster definitely.. from my experience. With Alhaitham c0, it came rl close.. it's mostly that Hypercarry animations last less than Nahida's teams..
i rarely use old school Rational but Nahida's should be faster.
On average Nahida c2 hyperbloom team will buff the damage of each member by about 17% and the Hyperbloom trigger 20%. Raiden c2 will buff her damage by about 43%. Nahida c2 buffs the damage of sub dps characters while Raiden c2 buffs her hyper carry self. In a hypercarry situation Raiden c2 is far stronger since all the buffs are being focused into her to magnify that defense shred. It will be more expensive to make Nahida c2 do more damage since every sub dps has to be well built while only Raiden needs to be well built and the supports do not need to be that strong. I think Nahida c2 has more potential at very high team investment than Raiden c2 who will hit her limit sooner.
Well but for overall,
Nahida c2 let any dps(except mono geo anemo) to be strongest for their comp.
Raiden c2 makes her as best dps unit.
I have her C6 R1 (she was my first C6 limited 5 star) and I don’t regret going for it
Her C1 is amazing QOL
Her C2 is an insane dmg buff
Her C4 lets me cap out her Crit and dmg bonus passive
And her C6 let me skip alhetham cuz now she’s a dendro on field dps
An amazing character overall and works everywhere and everything dendro
Every dendro dps is just teapot furniture now, with her c6😂
@@johnd7760 basically 😂
@@insertnamehere2022 Heck, even with my c2, idk why i pulled for Alhaitham 😂
boredom probably
@@johnd7760 It is so tempting to spend when the game has nothing to do aside from spiral abyss, maybe thats why they dont give us endgame 😂
@@insertnamehere2022 Exactly, lol, it's some kind of strategy but it will wear off, hardcore whales will wake up eventually..
Another example, Dehya constellations locked to actually be somewhat good 💀
So how much more dmg Al-haitam Will do in short?
Around 20%
Man, Nahida C2 with prototype Amber might still beat Baizhu C2 with his signature weapon in terms of support capabilties
Baizhu's sig weapon is terrible ngl
C1 nahida is actually super underrated especially that a lot of best dendro teams are taking 2 dendro characters and 2 different elements characters , which means you get the full usage of the constellation
Generally, it isn't tbh, the buff won't do much in practice. The best use of it is probably if you're playing triple dendro, solo electro since you get 3 activations of it. Even then though the extra damage is minimal and the hydro buff is nice, but not that useful. If you're playing double dendro double electro or double dendro double hydro it doesn't do much at all. With double Electro you get a few more seonds of burst uptime which is nice but it won't change much. With double hydro you get a bit more damage on e but when your e is no longer triggering spread that extra damage doesn't amount to much, you get a bit of extra dendro app but it's in no way a noticeable amount. Also, the best teams that include her are generally hyperbloom ones, with either double dendro, double hydro, or double electro. In these teams, the C1 has an even lower value. Also if you're playing double element with double dendro you don't get full value since you're just not upgrading one of the elements at all.
You could us c1 with anything except for a Nilou team, since she won’t get much benefit due to only having hydro and Dendro. Hydro buff increases the duration, but her burst has a very short cooldown. (Also if you have two hydro already, there is no difference.)
I'm at pity 23 ( 50/50 ) and only have about 67 wishes, just hoping i can get 1 copy of her
im just gonna stick around with my c0 nahida for now. I might pull for kuki shinobu if she ends up on her banner and right now im at 65pity and i dont think i can get shenha before the banners end so who knows, maybe i can get c1 nahida while pulling kuki but c2 just seems a bit not possible for me
Kuki will be on her banner
Nahida C2 or raiden C2 ?
Nahida C2 cause people play with elemental reactions now. Raiden limits to electro res decrease
I WANT IT SO BAD
Also, I feel like they should have added the defense shred to burning as well as quicken.
Buff air fryer
Burning doesn't need defense shred cause it's affected by resistance instead iirc
burning is not affected by defense
@@TheGenshinScientist yeah I know that, I just meant it would be a nice small buff to burning if it also offered defense shred. It wouldn't affect burning damage but it would affect everything else, right?
TLDR :
Very.
Got Nahida c2 in 130 pulls. Im shaking and already know my luck is now gone for the next banners lmaoo
dont forget kuki is on the banner
Ok, my Cyno c2 waiting for Baizhu, and my Nahida c0 waiting for better timing 🙃
Already have her c6
thank u
Her c2 seems like overkill
C2 nahida is so fucking broken for hyperbloom, it's basically free -30% def on enemies plus hyperbloom crit
I would get her constelations but my Credit card said no
I'd C2 her if the game had difficult content that justified it. But, with this game being as easy as it is now, I'd rather have 2 other characters I can have fun with experimenting with new teams. Overkilling mobs with huge numbers is fun, but not that fun IMO
Honestly, this. I need to constantly remind myself that the difference between 33 stars and 36 stars is 50 primos; it's just not worth it, at least to me, to get non C0 characters. That being said, I did make that mistake last year and went for C1 Kazuha, so I'm gonna get his C2 and call it a day.
I'm currently 40 into a 50/50 pity, I have C5 Kuki, no Layla, and don't care about Dori; even putting a 10 pull in there to try to snipe C6 or C0 Layla seems not worth it when I have C6 Diona, and there's the fact that I want Kaveh much more.
All I know that it's on par with Raiden's c2
It is good if you want to spend that much. If not, get more characters/weapons. (But not her weapon unless it’s for like driver Sucrose or something.)
For me, varieties > big damage numbers, so never constellations
Same, i have c2 kazuha and i barely notice the c2's effect, was just aiming for c1 to be able to use him more and got c2
You can clear abyss with c0 Nahida ...so C2 is a waste :D
I'm going for Nahidas c2 and I would highly recommend others also consider it :)
Why should we consider it?
@@chanderule605 Nahida is currently the best unit in the game. I don't see her being surpassed until Focalors.
Her c2 is absolutely broken. Try get her to around 1000 EM and the carnage and destruction one snol little radish can do is almost laughable.
@@jardejay8804 First of all, not really, Xingqiu is overall superior
Second of all, why? Why should I make a strong unit stronger? Which part of content needs it so much that Id rather get her C2 over 2 new characters?
@@chanderule605 calm down. I 36* abyss and have c6 fully built xingqiu... Nahida is much better, at c0.
Why build my characters? Cuz I want to see more carnage an destruction. I enjoy seeing high HP enemies dying in seconds.
I'm assuming by the way your going on, your a player with most units already... I'm a day one player so I have nearly every unit so all I can do is make already broken ones... More broken.
Obviously if you don't have a lot of units, save your primos. That's what I would do in that situation. But my situation is I have all of them anyway, well the good ones.
(Edit - and I have a ridiculous surplus of primogems as I have all the 5 star units to the constilations I want them to. I'll have more than enough for the good Fontaine characters.... Atm Nahida, she's the only one I would like cons for. Since I have cons for most other 5 stars as for me they have all rerun a lot now.)
@@jardejay8804 lol I am calm, Im simply pointing out that Xingqiu is overall better as he provides way more utility
No, you dont get my point
Resin and primogems are not the same, you can build Nahida without sacrificing 2 5* event pulls
I think C2 nahida is kinda overrated , its worth 2 5 stars but its only 15-20% damage increase , getting a weapon like elgay already buff the team by almost 20% or getting bis for your main DPS
The difference is it's for all nahida teams. Alhaitham spread/tighnari spread/raiden hyperbloom/nilou bloom/cyno quickbloom/Keqing aggravate
And it's teamwide. it's 20% increase for the whole team but getting alhaitham's weapon for example is only 20% for himself which is like 12% for the whole team
And elegy doesn't buff by that much at all. it increases it by like 5~10%.
Also, they need a Rukkhadevata skin for Nahida, just saying.
voice sounds like betosky
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