Why that straight edge in the plunge router base?

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  • Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2024

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  • @johnfithian-franks8276
    @johnfithian-franks8276 3 года назад +130

    You have just changed an old man’s idea as to how to route a grove. I am seventy years old now and do not have many groves to cut but I always used the straight edge of the router to do that, I now realise that I have been doing it wrong all this time and thank you for putting me right.

    • @kcnanand
      @kcnanand 3 года назад +1

      using straight edge was a mistake that i realized on the very first cut i made with the router. i always use the curved edge now. even made a round acrylic base plate

    • @petergaiser4213
      @petergaiser4213 3 года назад +6

      You are an intelligent man and an excellent teacher. Thank you for all your videos

    • @ChristopherClaudioSkierka
      @ChristopherClaudioSkierka 3 года назад +7

      well if your grove has always been straight then you have done your job and so it was always correct for you :)

    • @David-bl1bt
      @David-bl1bt 3 года назад

      Me too! Education is a wonderful thing.

    • @rickallen9167
      @rickallen9167 3 года назад

      Hang on John...
      I have a question for you..
      Think hard...how many times did you mill anything with a router, using the straight edge of the base plate against the fence...that "pinched" or run off or deviated in any way?
      We all know, or should know, the axis remains constant within a perimeter, but what is put forward here is questionable because their is a highly unlikely cause.
      If I push a nail through a piece of card before I hammer it home,
      I am unlikely to end up with bruised or bloody fingers!
      Likewise, ...if I check the fence, base plate and bit, apply even pressure to the fence at right angles to the cut, and finally make several passes..their are no reasons to expect..or have unexpected run off!
      A problem that doesn't exist has been created.

  • @davetarrant6888
    @davetarrant6888 3 года назад +43

    Am I the only one that was surprised when he tapped the side of the nut to loosen the bit? That was worth the watch if it works. Thumbs Up

    • @christophercrawford2736
      @christophercrawford2736 3 года назад

      I do something similar to take my bits out of my impact driver.

    • @Damon_Barber
      @Damon_Barber 3 года назад +4

      It’s the “Pickle Jar” method.

    • @efrentaeza3535
      @efrentaeza3535 3 года назад

      I have an old Skil plunge router and in its manual it is specifically advised to give the side of the nut holding the bit a few taps with the wrench. I do the same with my other routers whenever the bit becomes hard to pull out even after having loosened the nut.

    • @camofpv
      @camofpv 3 года назад

      You’re the only one 😁 just kidding.

    • @823Steve
      @823Steve Год назад

      No. Been there, done that.

  • @satxsatxsatx
    @satxsatxsatx 3 года назад +72

    excellent presentation of an important aspect of a router base that I bet many aren't aware of

  • @johnbailey3245
    @johnbailey3245 3 года назад +11

    One of the most informative and very important how to use videos I've ever watched thank you.

  • @isaac.secret
    @isaac.secret 3 года назад +9

    Using the round edge always made more sense to me too! So glad to see someone else gets it.

  • @fergusdangerfield156
    @fergusdangerfield156 3 года назад +22

    I'm sure this has made a lot of people think about something they've never even considered before!

  • @wodm
    @wodm 3 года назад +3

    just bought my 1st router and feel this video has given me a headstart before i even turn it on. thank you so much.

  • @xlfive
    @xlfive 3 года назад +30

    having only owned a router less than 2 years I've always used the flat side of the router against the fence ,I've never tried it the other way, its very interesting point you make

    • @conflictfree88
      @conflictfree88 3 года назад +2

      I envy you - I learned this lesson on my first router project when the edge caught and messed up the whole groove :(

  • @alans1816
    @alans1816 3 года назад +13

    The last part you mention about routing direction is most important. If you rout in the proper direction, it's easy to keep the router against the fence, whether it's round or flat. If you rout in the wrong direction, it's more difficult.

    • @WoodworkingwithDIYtools
      @WoodworkingwithDIYtools  3 года назад +3

      Yes. I was trying to make a nice video and I forgot to pay attention to the routing direction

    • @rodman0088
      @rodman0088 3 года назад +1

      Well thank you for that information as well. I'm very early in my woodworking 'career' and I didn't know there was a proper direction to rout. Appreciate it!

  • @siggisiggibangbang
    @siggisiggibangbang 3 года назад

    With this video you have completely changed my router experience. Thank you so much.

  • @anonimogarcia1976
    @anonimogarcia1976 3 года назад

    I love your videos for so many reasons:
    1 Lot of knowledge
    2 Love your accent, I am also Spanish, and doing videos in English so I really appreciate the effort
    3 Your humour when showing and then correcting "failed" ideas in the video instead of just editing them is genious!!!

    • @WoodworkingwithDIYtools
      @WoodworkingwithDIYtools  3 года назад +1

      Thank you very much. I always make some mistake, so it is part of the making and so I like to show it 😀

  • @JerGoes
    @JerGoes 3 года назад +2

    Agree with you 100%, I always use the rounded side against a fence for the exact reasons you mention, the flat edge as far as I can tell is only to put the router down for changing the bit.

  • @SolveEtCoagula93
    @SolveEtCoagula93 3 года назад

    Not only do I think this is a piece of excellent practical advice, your demo proves the point. Not only that but my web research suggests that nobody actually knows why there is a flat edge. There are all kinds of answers but people seem to disagree, so clearly it's nothing fundamental nor obvious.The use you put it to, chnaging the bit, is the most sensible I've seen. Well done!

  • @charlesxix
    @charlesxix 3 года назад

    People have been telling RUclips viewers this tip for years, where have they been? Thanks for posting the video.

  • @marley589
    @marley589 3 года назад +4

    If the cutter is really off centre to the base radius, lets say as much as 1mm. Then theoretically rotating the base a whole quarter turn - 90 degrees will make a maximum 1mm deviation. It is easily possible to hold the router within 10 degrees either way to the fence. So this will give a maximum deviation of 1/9th of 1mm = 0.1mm. The theory of using the rounded edge against the stop makes perfect sense even with an eccentric router base. Great use of geometry to increase accuracy & ease of use, well spotted.

  • @smattt
    @smattt 2 года назад

    That was wonderfully counterintuitive.

  • @barbaracipiti9056
    @barbaracipiti9056 3 года назад +9

    This was so helpful. Great demonstration. Totally did not know this!

  • @chriskeeble
    @chriskeeble 3 года назад

    Happy to admit that I hadn't thought of this great tip. I've had a wandering groove or two at times due to pinch and have learned something very useful today. Thank you for sharing! 👍

  • @adamwilks
    @adamwilks 3 года назад

    Absolutely 100% correct. Always use the round part of the plate. Minimum point of contact with the fence and the radius keeps the bit central. Great video.

  • @indigogolf3051
    @indigogolf3051 3 года назад

    Best router video I've seen. Very informative, thanks.

  • @navtrtl
    @navtrtl 3 года назад +12

    Maybe the flat edge has to do with using the auxiliary fence that comes with some routers? I think it allows you to move the auxiliary fence closer to the bit if you install the fence on that side.

    • @dihskursiv
      @dihskursiv 3 года назад

      No, you can't install the fence into that side. Additionally, the fence slides below and past the base allowing it to slide very close to the bit.

  • @robing4566
    @robing4566 3 года назад +2

    I agree with you on the position of router. I do the same, flat side is supposed to give you better control. So I have been told. It’s a matter of controlling the router... laying router on its side to change the bit makes sense to me.

  • @diederikveldhuizen4014
    @diederikveldhuizen4014 3 года назад +5

    there is a midpoint marker in the straight edge so you can aim with it when you only have a centerline of the thing you want to clear so you don't have to use measuring. but like you showed, the round side is much easier and without simpel mishaps to mess-up your piece

  • @teddudziak8397
    @teddudziak8397 3 года назад +2

    I am surprised about this technique I would have never figured that out it’s nice to get this info. Thank you

  • @duudsuufd
    @duudsuufd 3 года назад +1

    i got an idea from this video. With controlled movement from straight edge to round edge you can make a decorative cloud or wave groove pattern. The minimum and farthest distance from the fence will be fixed size this way. Then paint this groove. It could be part of a nice signboard.

  • @darrylportelli
    @darrylportelli 3 года назад +3

    One possible reason for the flat side is to mount it on a router table ... if you have a recess for the router the shape of a perfect circle it would be VERY DIFFICULT to find the bolt holes from the top ... having the flat portion will allow the router to register in the recess perfectly so that the holes in the router base line up with the holes in the router table surface :) :) :)

    • @codigitty9195
      @codigitty9195 3 года назад

      But why would you mount a plunge router to a table?

    • @darrylportelli
      @darrylportelli 3 года назад

      @@codigitty9195 plunge routers are commonly used for router tables especially in hobbyist workshops where having a dedicated motor and a separate router lift would be cumbersome and expensive ... Routing out the shape of the plunge router base in a piece of mdf, removing the sub base and mounting the router upside down makes a perfectly good router table ... And having that straight portion makes it very easy to reference and mount it to a table

  • @TheMrWoodsman
    @TheMrWoodsman 3 года назад +3

    Very good, I will use the rounded side of my router from now on. Thank you.

  • @greggrangorian1899
    @greggrangorian1899 3 года назад

    I tell you what. Sometimes these little tricks or tips or instructional on the basics are beyond awesome for newbies. I am said newbie and was frustrated with both those. 😊

  • @horselover3112003
    @horselover3112003 3 года назад

    Thanks so much I've been using the straight edge all this time

  • @richardnwilson
    @richardnwilson 3 года назад +5

    I always use the round side with a straight edge it's more foolproof just as you explained. Even if the base isn't perfectly round as long as you don't purposefully rotate the router while you use it the difference is miniscule . The flat side allows you to rout closer to an obstruction or an edge. Sometimes it's useful to have a smaller effective router base allowing you to rout where you couldn't normally.

  • @chrisbraid2907
    @chrisbraid2907 3 года назад +5

    I always thought that the straight part just gave me a minimum width to the blade. It makes sense to rout using the full curve when possible and the straight when necessary ... also when mounting upside down in a table the flat side is easy to align.

    • @eggsngritstn
      @eggsngritstn 3 года назад

      Yep. The additional clearance always seemed to be the best explanation.

  • @grahampugh9687
    @grahampugh9687 3 года назад

    First class instructional video, thank you.

  • @mukundchabukswar2640
    @mukundchabukswar2640 Год назад

    Thanks, you have made my basic ideas very clear.

  • @shawnmay8073
    @shawnmay8073 3 года назад

    I make hi end custom rustic furniture for interior designers and movie props you are doing it exactly how it should be. When others want to tell a master craftsman how to use common tools just laugh. I've repaired pieces from others and think, some builders do not need even a hammer so just smile.

  • @Maltloaflegrande
    @Maltloaflegrande 3 года назад

    I'm just one more ostensibly competent and experienced (and for that matter, professional) carpenter who has learned something new. I can't even say all this hadn't occurred to me; it had but I was just too gormless to change my ways. how dumb is that. Admittedly, I've never had a serious mishap using the "old" method but it has made the job more stressful and demanding and probably slowed me down too Also, I've always changed my bit with the router face-up but now I'll try what surely must be a better way next time. Thank you very much WWDT!

  • @patmash
    @patmash 3 года назад

    Perfectly explained and demonstrated. Thank you sir.

  • @CheZfrmdaWestWisc
    @CheZfrmdaWestWisc 3 года назад +4

    It's to help you resist torq when plunging by transfering the energy into the fence and not the user

  • @ecsyntric
    @ecsyntric 3 года назад +5

    whoever said use straight edge still have to discover the mysteries of the circle

  • @glentyan2505
    @glentyan2505 3 года назад +6

    Assuming of course the guide is perfect then the curved edge makes sense but if the guide has imperfections I would suggest using the straight edge otherwise the same imperfections would be transferred to the workpiece due to the minimum point of contact.

    • @geoffmiller3491
      @geoffmiller3491 3 года назад +2

      Great explanation! Doesn’t mean one method is right or wrong. If you get a straight cut using the round edge, great. But it’s important to understand that you’ll be making a copy of the fence as though it was a template, whereas the two straight faces together minimize the effect of imperfections. I could see either method having its place.

    • @David-hm9ic
      @David-hm9ic 3 года назад +1

      Most good routers have a centering tool available as an accessory. It's necessary for centering the base when using guide bushings.

  • @henryrossouw930
    @henryrossouw930 3 года назад +1

    Great explanation and demonstration.Keep them coming.

  • @OldDunollieman
    @OldDunollieman 3 года назад +3

    Absolutely correct my friend.

  • @BergflitzerFoto
    @BergflitzerFoto 3 года назад +2

    Dankeschön für deine Tipps 👍 ich habe etwas dazu gelernt 😎 ich wünsche dir und deiner Familie gute und gesunde Ostertage 🐇

  • @jackkohanim590
    @jackkohanim590 3 года назад +1

    I never thought of it either. Thanks for this. Makes a lot of sense.

  • @PapaJoeWalsh
    @PapaJoeWalsh 3 года назад

    Great video. Thank you, and very relevant for a new wood-worker; now I won't have to make that mistake in the future!

  • @rhnservices5849
    @rhnservices5849 3 года назад

    Whow very good tip!! Thanks! From now on i will always use the router this way!!

  • @alanviner3711
    @alanviner3711 3 года назад +3

    great definition well done... your channel is always informative..

  • @dean825
    @dean825 3 года назад

    First class explanation! Thank you

  • @steveh100
    @steveh100 3 года назад

    That's some I didn't know I knew, thank you. Well explained

  • @masoodabbas3144
    @masoodabbas3144 3 года назад

    Masterfully explained, thank you

  • @flyingwoodshop1545
    @flyingwoodshop1545 3 года назад +3

    Nice video! My DeWalt router actually has a round base and I often have trouble keeping it stable while I’m changing the bit with it on its side. I think you may be on to something about why the flat spot is there. Keep up the great content!

    • @waynel2162
      @waynel2162 3 года назад

      I think that the router you mention is actually their edge trimmer as it is usually only the smallest types of routers/ trimmers that have purely rounded base plates ( unless it's their optional fixed base ! ) . Hope this helps you out. Maybe research through their catalogues might clear this up.

  • @shahboy68
    @shahboy68 3 года назад +1

    I actually never thought about it but Its easier to measure from a straight edge to the router bit than a curve of the base and if you are trying to do plunge routing in the middle of the piece instead of a through slot then that would be important to be able to line up accurately.

  • @photojournalist1194
    @photojournalist1194 3 года назад +2

    Thanks for the tip Sergio. I love your videos, keep it up!

  • @moustafaajam4670
    @moustafaajam4670 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for this information i use to make mistake when i route with the straight age , and thank you for releace the bit it was always stuck in my router , thanks

    • @drozdzowkowypotwor
      @drozdzowkowypotwor 3 года назад +1

      Sometimes a router bit gets stuck so tight that you can't loosen it by only lightly tapping the collet nut. Then it can be done by unscrewing the nut further - it will push out both the bit and the collet.

    • @WoodworkingwithDIYtools
      @WoodworkingwithDIYtools  3 года назад +1

      I don't say it is a mistake. I just ask who knows what is it for. It looks like some people prefer to use the straight edge and for them that is the correct. I prefer to use the curved edge

  • @Lucidchronicles
    @Lucidchronicles 3 года назад +13

    Good reminder of why we learned high-school geometry

  • @tombaker3794
    @tombaker3794 3 года назад +2

    According to the Ryobi plunge router manual, the flat side of the base goes against the fence. Base orientation is not a safety issue, and both ways work perfectly fine, this is a user preference.

  • @AndreiIR000
    @AndreiIR000 3 года назад

    Excellent explanation!

  • @anthonygreen9609
    @anthonygreen9609 3 года назад

    Thank you so much. This has really helped me.

  • @jannitert6576
    @jannitert6576 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for your Tip...Greetings from us in Holland 🌷🌷

  • @kookyflukes9749
    @kookyflukes9749 3 года назад

    Great tip. Thanks for posting. Proper knowledge

  • @FormerlyKnownAsAndrew
    @FormerlyKnownAsAndrew 3 года назад +1

    Good job brother!

  • @timlist4173
    @timlist4173 3 года назад

    I agree with you completely. Just got a new SKIL router and the fixed base is round, and the plunge base has the flat side. Hmm.

  • @robertg2774
    @robertg2774 3 года назад

    Very good explanation and clearly logical now known thanks for video.

  • @ashraf61
    @ashraf61 3 года назад

    Good job. That was very clear and you are right. Thanks for sharing.

  • @donaldemmerling9622
    @donaldemmerling9622 3 года назад +4

    Never a bad video!

  • @captaincolumbus5946
    @captaincolumbus5946 3 года назад +2

    🚣‍♀️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 It has always mystified me. I think you have it making easier changing of bits . Thanks for an interesting video. Peace and love everyone Rick 🍺

  • @dannylaguer515
    @dannylaguer515 3 года назад

    Thank you for this very informative presentation and it's been well explained....more power to your video tutorial !!!

  • @migmagingenieria
    @migmagingenieria 3 года назад

    Great vid, excellent info and explanation!!! Thanks for sharing!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

  • @ianthompson9058
    @ianthompson9058 3 года назад +3

    I've been puzzled over that one myself

  • @eddieme2009
    @eddieme2009 3 года назад +1

    Nice video, thanks for sharing

  • @LifePrepared
    @LifePrepared 3 года назад +1

    You got a sub for this.

  • @aaronlandy7925
    @aaronlandy7925 3 года назад +4

    This is true if the bit is centered in the base. It is often slightly askew. So turning the base can cause slight changes (like a cam).

  • @cornelmasson4610
    @cornelmasson4610 3 года назад +6

    DO YOU KNOW how I've wondered about that straight edge, and whether to use it or the round side?? Thank you!!

  • @murphymmc
    @murphymmc 3 года назад +7

    Good information, though there are some routers that have a base that is not perfectly centered to the router shaft. This leads to the same problem that a flat side presents. The answer is to minimize rotation of the base when cutting. That is easier with the rounded edge of the base. I've found the even the high-end routers are not always perfectly centered. High price does not mean perfect, better maybe, but not perfect. I've found that to use a flat edge it's better to add a base that has a very long edge to register against the work piece, you still have to deal with a rotation issue when you get to the end of the cut as the straight edge now has no work piece edge to reference against on one side, rounded edge minimizes the drift.

    • @robertbamford8266
      @robertbamford8266 3 года назад

      My dewalt is NOT perfectly centered. The variation is minor and I’m pretty sure it has to do with variation introduced in dogging down the motor in the base when I change the height or the base. Always keeping the flat side against the fence would be the best solution - if it had a flat side. As it is, a marker dot and careful routing keep variation within acceptable limits.

    • @cdallen04
      @cdallen04 3 года назад

      murphymb you nailed it. If you are trying to cut a straight line and use the curved edge of the router you have to assume the router shaft and base plate are perfectly centered. If the router shaft and base plate are not perfectly centered, and you rotate the base, you will not end up with a straight line. If you use the square edge of the router base, the shaft and the base plate do not have to be centered, because the distance is constant.

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred 3 года назад

      @@cdallen04 you can make the router base concentric. Or I should say make a concentric router base for your router. There's a way of cutting a concentric base with a pin in the collet. The bases that come on routers are often a bit crappy anyways. They kind of expect you to make a better one. Or wear yours out and have to replace it eventually. You can even buy universal bases. They come with an alignment pin to attach them. They're like for if you want to use guide bushings. Some routers don't accept bushings. There's lots of stupid router tricks.

  • @howarddavies9792
    @howarddavies9792 3 года назад

    Brilliant explanation, thank you.

  • @ozzie128
    @ozzie128 3 года назад

    Can't argue with your logic

  • @davidiand7
    @davidiand7 3 года назад

    Good demonstration. 👍🏻

  • @Mustafa_2018
    @Mustafa_2018 3 года назад

    Me acabo de enterar de que tienes un canal en inglés, que grande 🔥

  • @richardscott9840
    @richardscott9840 3 года назад

    Smart, common sense. A good example of not blindly believing whst you hear 🙉 or are told 🗣

  • @woodensurfer
    @woodensurfer 2 года назад

    I had always thought the straight side is to save space. If there is an obstacle, a stopped dado will have more extension, saving about an inch.
    But it seems that stability during bit change is the more obvious reason.
    But one should try one's best to stick with one point in the circle edge, because the manufacturing of the round base may not be perfect. In fact, some author recommends grinding to make sure the base is truly a circle, not off by even 0.002 inches.
    Moreover, the subbase may be off by more, as it is not certain that the subbase can be installed perfectly concentric to the base. In Porter-Cable routers (perhaps others), the roundness of the collet nut serves to better ensure that the subbase is concentric to the base. This is a matter to pay attention to. When you see a round part of the collet nut, think about this matter.

  • @GeoffreySpierPapaPanthers
    @GeoffreySpierPapaPanthers 3 года назад +1

    I think you are right that the straight edge is for changing blade...nice observation

  • @ruaridhwatson2630
    @ruaridhwatson2630 3 года назад

    What an excellently informative video. VMT

  • @eyemallears2647
    @eyemallears2647 3 года назад

    Awesome video

  • @JF0913
    @JF0913 3 года назад

    Awesome point. Excellent Point of advice

  • @JayBee2able
    @JayBee2able 3 года назад

    Wow, thank you so much , I’ve been doing it wrong

  • @khaymenthemogs9129
    @khaymenthemogs9129 3 года назад

    Well presented arguments in a well made video.

  • @martinoamello3017
    @martinoamello3017 3 года назад

    It does work just as described, but I almost always have a plexiglass square rounded on the corners screwed to the base and usually use bits with bearings and cut grooves with the table saw a dado stack..

  • @RADCOMJ1
    @RADCOMJ1 3 года назад +1

    You are correct Colin knecht of wood working web said the same. Would it be a good idea to have a fence on either side? I actually prefer mine on the guide rail. Love your videos and innovation. Your English is superb thanks for translating 👍😎

  • @Bonkers4747
    @Bonkers4747 3 года назад

    Super explained !!!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

  • @jamesallen6007
    @jamesallen6007 3 года назад

    As always, excellent. Many thanks.😷

  • @David-bl1bt
    @David-bl1bt 3 года назад

    Very informative.

  • @plafayette1
    @plafayette1 3 года назад

    Thanks for the explanation. Keep it up.

  • @charlieelderton3038
    @charlieelderton3038 3 года назад

    I have always wondered about that! Awesome!

  • @Migo1963
    @Migo1963 3 года назад

    Of course you are right!

  • @etorebellino
    @etorebellino 3 года назад

    Good job. Thanks.

  • @tomas5376
    @tomas5376 3 года назад +1

    Great tips! Gracias👍✌️😊🙏🏼🛠🛠🛠

  • @josechavez5950
    @josechavez5950 3 года назад

    Excelente video Mr. Sos un Crack..

  • @danbelzile4203
    @danbelzile4203 3 года назад +1

    Very good video. Keep up the good work.👍👍🇨🇦☕

  • @muccabelly1324
    @muccabelly1324 3 года назад

    thank you, this is very helpfull

  • @kreb7
    @kreb7 3 года назад

    I assume that is perfectly centred the bit ? Thus why the curve works . I'm not a wood worker just a diy guy. Since is the center of circle will always be equal distance between any point of circle vs center a practical application of a geometry, who knew ?

  • @mdsigners1901
    @mdsigners1901 3 года назад +2

    There is a problem with your reasoning. Using the rounded edge of the router base only works if you are perfectly sure that the plastic base (black part) is exactly centered on the bit. There is some adjustability on most bases because we don't live in a perfect world. If you use the round edge of the router base and rotate the router while cutting you will most likely get a slightly wavy cut. in some instances this may not matter to you but when making dove tail grooves or other fine fitting joints you will run into interference problems. If you learning to use the flat edge of the base properly you will always have the same distance from the edge to the base. If you are having problems keeping the flat edge against the fence you may want to use something that is more uniform and smooth than a rough cut 2x4 such as a piece of aluminum angle or a piece of hardwood.

    • @drzeus9449
      @drzeus9449 3 года назад

      But that is moot if you have correctly centered the bit in the base.

    • @allan.moeslund
      @allan.moeslund 3 года назад

      I have four routers. All of them was centered correct from the factory.