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It's interesting that all these RUclips videos over the past few months have been raving about the Turin, MiiCoffee, Gemilai... that has been around for the past 5 years. So, why now? My guess is that Turin (Espresso Outlets house brand and really the only thing they almost ever have in stock) is trying to capitalize on the recent success of the DF64 grinder. And all these RUclipsr's are, shock, bought and paid for. Thanks for being one of the few I've seen that is legitimately objective. (Also kudos for the AeroPress shout out, my favorite brew method)
Full disclosure, Gaggia classic Pro and DF64 gen 2 owner here. I feel like an extra $50 or something to the Turin's (or whatever brand it's under) for better quality control would make a massive difference. I can forgive some sharp edges, but the parts not fitting well together as noted REALLY shows corners cut. The buttons on the PID would annoy me too, but I can understand if they would be a "set and forget" thing. Potential mods for a manual flow control would be something I think the modding community would like! The standard portafilter is a nice feature. It might be a Gaggia killer, but time will tell on quality control. Personally, I paid $450 for my Evo Pro (US market, so standard 9 bar spring already installed) and I've seen kits for the Gagguino mod for around $100, or a PID for $30 if you don't buy a kit. Knowing the Turin's chinese build quality here, I think a gen 2 would be a better option in a few years. The gen 2 df64 is certainly a quality feeling grinder compared to the first one!
I just got my Legato in the mail and build quality looks great. Also, this machine has been around for years in Asia. Not a totally new build as many seem to think - just new to the USA.
its made by the same manufacturer correction: may not possibly be made by the same manufacturer but should be kept to the same standards as the DF line of grinders given the whitelabeling of the product, at the very least
@@itsxris Do you actually have a citation that the manufacturer of the the DF grinders is making this espresso machine, as opposed to, “it’s marketed in the US by the guys that sell Turin products”? Do you even have a citation that all the DF grinders that Espresso Outlet sell are even made by the same factory?
@@adamg.manning6088In that case it would still be valid to compare this to the df64 because both are sold under the Turin name. Regardless of which manufacturer(s) build the DF64 and Legato, Turin should be careful about putting out a new product that lacks the build quality of their other products.
@@adamg.manning6088 you’re absolutely right. So few people actually understand white labeled products. Sure it’s possible that the same factory in China made this machine and the grinders, but most likely it’s completely different factories.
You're talking about devices made by different manufacturers as ones made by the same manufacturer... Machines with a vibration pump are not supposed to present 9 bar pressure on the gauge as well.
I have this ma hine it's my first one . I am interested in what you have learned about the flow control aspect? Anything new other then what you have said. Mine gets here Wed of March 6th 2024
The pressure is around 15 bar. How did you manage 9 bar shots. The so called Flow control certainly could have controlled that. A tighter grind would actually cause the pressure to increase?
own the same machine. the buttons for timer and preinfusion needs to be held for 3 seconds. That's why you find them hard to be used. But ngl I kinda hate the machine since the shots are coming out meh compared to my ecm machine.
Turin simply brings in already mass produced products. They don’t build or design anything. Anyone can do what they do by going to Alibaba. Turin is purely a name. Its all marketing
using "niche killer" because its an overused tagline for every new budget grinder ever since Hoffmann reviewed the original DF64 already mentioned early in the video its a white-labeled product under many names :)
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All the behind-the-scenes equipment I use to make my content: www.itsxris.com/store
It's interesting that all these RUclips videos over the past few months have been raving about the Turin, MiiCoffee, Gemilai... that has been around for the past 5 years. So, why now? My guess is that Turin (Espresso Outlets house brand and really the only thing they almost ever have in stock) is trying to capitalize on the recent success of the DF64 grinder. And all these RUclipsr's are, shock, bought and paid for. Thanks for being one of the few I've seen that is legitimately objective. (Also kudos for the AeroPress shout out, my favorite brew method)
Full disclosure, Gaggia classic Pro and DF64 gen 2 owner here.
I feel like an extra $50 or something to the Turin's (or whatever brand it's under) for better quality control would make a massive difference. I can forgive some sharp edges, but the parts not fitting well together as noted REALLY shows corners cut. The buttons on the PID would annoy me too, but I can understand if they would be a "set and forget" thing. Potential mods for a manual flow control would be something I think the modding community would like! The standard portafilter is a nice feature.
It might be a Gaggia killer, but time will tell on quality control. Personally, I paid $450 for my Evo Pro (US market, so standard 9 bar spring already installed) and I've seen kits for the Gagguino mod for around $100, or a PID for $30 if you don't buy a kit. Knowing the Turin's chinese build quality here, I think a gen 2 would be a better option in a few years. The gen 2 df64 is certainly a quality feeling grinder compared to the first one!
That Evo pro has a coating on the boiler thats been flaking into the water. They can say it's inert but who knows if its hazardous to your health.
I just got my Legato in the mail and build quality looks great. Also, this machine has been around for years in Asia. Not a totally new build as many seem to think - just new to the USA.
Just got a refund on the Evo and ordered the Legato.
Comparing this machine to the DF grinders is the most irrelevant comparison to make.
its made by the same manufacturer
correction: may not possibly be made by the same manufacturer but should be kept to the same standards as the DF line of grinders given the whitelabeling of the product, at the very least
@@itsxris
Do you actually have a citation that the manufacturer of the the DF grinders is making this espresso machine, as opposed to, “it’s marketed in the US by the guys that sell Turin products”?
Do you even have a citation that all the DF grinders that Espresso Outlet sell are even made by the same factory?
@@adamg.manning6088In that case it would still be valid to compare this to the df64 because both are sold under the Turin name. Regardless of which manufacturer(s) build the DF64 and Legato, Turin should be careful about putting out a new product that lacks the build quality of their other products.
@@adamg.manning6088 you’re absolutely right. So few people actually understand white labeled products. Sure it’s possible that the same factory in China made this machine and the grinders, but most likely it’s completely different factories.
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This is about the third video I’ve seen about this machine and not one person has written about it accurately.
You're talking about devices made by different manufacturers as ones made by the same manufacturer...
Machines with a vibration pump are not supposed to present 9 bar pressure on the gauge as well.
Good review, packed lots of info in less than 9min.
Thank you for the first honest review of this machine I’ve seen. Love your channel.
Hey is this the same machine with Latina Altro that sells in Indonesia?
Where can I get that San Marzano tomato cup
Very good review
I have this ma hine it's my first one . I am interested in what you have learned about the flow control aspect? Anything new other then what you have said. Mine gets here Wed of March 6th 2024
The pressure is around 15 bar. How did you manage 9 bar shots. The so called Flow control certainly could have controlled that. A tighter grind would actually cause the pressure to increase?
Thank you buddy for your detailed quality review. Built wise seems can't compete Gaggia.
own the same machine. the buttons for timer and preinfusion needs to be held for 3 seconds. That's why you find them hard to be used. But ngl I kinda hate the machine since the shots are coming out meh compared to my ecm machine.
I searched for that machine in urope, but couldn't find it. Under which name is it sold in urope?
The Aeropress has taken a few steps back since the new owners took over.
Kafmasino seems like a sketchy company.
FWIW, there IS a gen2 AeeoPress.. but really, my original is awesome.
The gaggia classic has a boiler problem!
MiiCoffee Apex, right??
same machine
It's a white label ma hine
I wish they would pick a brand name and stick with it. I've seen about 14 reviews of the same machine under different names...
seems to follow a white label business model specific to regions
Turin simply brings in already mass produced products. They don’t build or design anything. Anyone can do what they do by going to Alibaba. Turin is purely a name. Its all marketing
@@andrewdavis9438 You mean this machine isn't made in Torino, Italy?? Wow, who knew??!
Turin not a niche killer that was funny plus this machine is packaged under multiple names why. ITS CHINEASIUM.
using "niche killer" because its an overused tagline for every new budget grinder ever since Hoffmann reviewed the original DF64
already mentioned early in the video its a white-labeled product under many names :)
@@itsxris Niche is Holy.