Thank you for making this video + featuring me in it. You werent even that combative, im actually glad to discuss things- its just hard to tell tone sometimes in text and the character limit on twitter can make things hard to discuss sometimes and generally I am met with a lot of rude comments + insults + even ableism when trying to discuss things regarding accessibility, so I would like to apologize if I came off defensive or dismissive at first. Its hard to balance accessibility especially for killers like doctor imo. But i think just because it is hard doesnt mean it shouldn't happen. Horror also doesnt mean that it should lack accessibility options.. so many horror games have amazing accessibility options. I love DBD and its my favorite game. I do suffer facing 3 killers due to accessibility issues as you saw in my video but that doesnt mean I don't want to play this game 🥺. I appreciate you offering alrernatives (the screams were my favorite LOL) because I can see the argument that replacing them is better than removing them. I also appreciate you bringing these ideas to life. This was a very fun watch + thank you for taking the time to also add warnings ❤ Im hoping with more people discussing accessibility concerns in the game that bhvr will make a statement / begin to add more options. ❤
Hey fellas, I forgot to mention it in the video, but in regards to motor accessibility, BHVR notably changed the mashing on Second Hook Stage and Wiggling to skill checks, which can be considered an advancement made for motor accessibility. I personally remember playing with many people who died on Second Stage just because they couldn't keep up with the mashing after playing for however long. This hopefully shows *some* interest on BHVR's part in creating alternate control methods for those who suffer from motor disabilities.
DBD is probably the only video game community that has accused me and another person in a thread of supposedly wanting an unfair advantage because we have noise sensitivity and hate Dredge's Nightfall moaning.
There is actually a "phobia" setting in house flipper which I like a lot, it replaces all cockroaches with glass shards to clean up with the same tool. Very similar to Lethal Company's spider replacement, but it's simple recontextualizations like that that just make it less arbitrarily unpleasant!
There's something called “Curb-Cut Effect,” which is a subset of Universal Design principles, highlights the phenomenon where designs or initiatives intended to benefit specific groups inadvertently improve accessibility for a broader range of people, meaning making something accessible for the minority, also helps the vast majority anyway, think of the curb cut, which the name comes from, of the sound notification of a spotlight when it becomes green, it helps both the visually impaired but also helps a random guy who maybe is busy answering an email on his phone etc etc Anyone who studied anything related to design knows it's one of the first thing they teach you because it's always a net positive
That's interesting! Yeah I didn't use this term in the video but I suppose one way to look at it is to lower the "skill floor," or rather, to make the game easier to pick up for newcomers in general, by giving them the tools to better approach, or "access," the game.
oh and for phobias, i literally have friends who cant play against certain killers because of their phobias. having a coulrophobia option that changes clown from being a clown (like with his original gas bomb soldier guy concept or something) or a anti-zombie option that replaces nemesis zombies and the rpd map zombies with robots or something, idk. it would make the game better for a decent amount of ppl
With plague Ive always thought their could be an option to make her vomit confetti and her barfing noice laughing. And survivors could be giggling. On the topic of directional audio I dont like it one bit purely because people who dont have a condition will use it. Like I use the visual terror radius because I cant hear softer noices but my brothers also use it and they have no hearing problem
This is something I'm vocal about at the end of the video, but essentially, utilizing accessibility features as a fully able-bodied person shouldn't really create a significant difference in their skill ceiling. It depends on what implementations there are ofc but things like directional indicators or sound effect subtitles really won't elevate your gameplay. What serves as scaffolding for one player is not going to be a crutch for another player.
BANGER ALERT Joke aside, I'm glad this topic is being brought into the discussion table and hopefully BHVR improved it in the far future to DBD for those who has impairments.
I think it's *super* hard to balance a lot of these things. Killer Footsteps and Survivor footsteps are important parts of gameplay. If you add an indicator and it's inaccurate, it's not useful. If you add it and it IS accurate, suddenly everyone HAS to use it because it becomes wallhacks, and you've also completely ruined every stealth perk and killer that's ever been added. I think maybe one nice way to approach it could be an indicator priority system? Similar to how you showed the gen detection thing, the volume level of certain sounds would be prioritized. Maybe within close proximity stuff like wraith's breathing, medium volume killer movement, could be prioritized. But if you're near a generator, the generator indicator could be prioritized. Other very important sounds like Wraith Uncloak, Chainsaws, etc. Could then take priority over the Gen Noise. The movement indicators could also become less accurate during chase and when within Terror Radius to prevent it from becoming a wallhack situation. Killers could probably benefit from keeping Survivor footsteps when they're close by, since trying to chase without footsteps is genuinely really hard. As for Plague, maybe it could be an option to make her attacks utilize her incense instead of Puke when the disability option is enabled. Have her hold up the censer, charge it up, and then make it a stream of smoke that comes from the censer rather than her mouth. Instead of having puke on Survivors, that white smoke could linger on them. Clown I think probably should have more visual clutter than a letterbox effect. That wouldn't be nearly as impactful and would be an immediate switch on for players. I think a good method could be to change it from visual distortion to just an actual smoke overlay on the screen, possibly also hiding the Red Stain while that option is on to make it roughly equal power. As for Dredge, they're removing the loud wooshing sound that comes from him, so maybe they can add back as non-directional audio during Nightfall for an accessibility option.
yeah i agree more games should have accessibility features and just minecraft-style directional closed captions alone would do a lot. i cant tell you how many times i hear footsteps as survivor, dont know where its coming from and freak out only to find out its another survivor instead of the stealth killer i was expecting 6:09 ok bars
I want to add that Blast Mine is really bad for lights too. I have picked Lightborn before and then I kick a Blast Mine gen and the bright white flash hits. I have visual impairments so it just made it really painful. It’d be nice if they maybe removed the fucking flash bang you get if using Lightborn on a Blast Mine Gen
11:49 I love the idea of including the subtitles "Killer attack misses" and then you still getting hit. This happens way too much to me as a Switch DBD gamer 😂 12:48 I think I mentioned this on Chey's video, but I was thinking that maybe making it so the lights at the top of a gen brighten or get brighter to show a survivor is actively working on a gen (both killer and survivor sided) might help Deaf players. Do you have any thoughts on that? 15:10 I understand where this creator is coming from, but at the end of the game it's a game and the point is to have fun. Some people will see it as "cheesing the game", others will find this as a silly way to do the daily, but at the end of the day it still made it accessible to the people who couldn't participate in that part of the game at all before. 16:28 an auto chase sounds so freaking fun almost like a quick time event, but I know so many people would get so mad at this especially with current issues about not being able to vault or throw a pallet even with the prompt to do so. I also wonder how this would affect mind games mid chase since you can't really mind game a current bot. I'm commenting on any and all accessibility videos for DBD because I am an accessibility worker for my school, so I'm very passionate about the topic especially for one of my favorite games. Thank you so much for spreading the word and giving great alternatives for the game!
Yeah I mostly included Anthony's TLOU2 clip in there because I did want to represent a balanced perspective and there are so few examples of accessibility conflicting with competition. I definitely want to delve further into this topic, especially coming up with more accessibility examples for the Killer side.
I wish I could turn off screen effects from various conditions like screen getting darker when in deep wound, vomits covering your screen etc. I just become legally blind with these effects and I cannot play the match.
yeah i didnt get to touch on it in this video but the colourblindness settings could really use more work. Again i understand that poor visibility is an intended gameplay feature but I think we can make some exceptions for the sake of accessibility
@@el_doinko yeah but some levels are so dark that I can't see anything at all. part of the reason the reworked graphics are good imo because places like RPD I could literally not see a thing in some of the halls so I just get trapped by the random garbage on the ground before they reworked it and made it brighter. low visibility is one thing, but a lot stuff is no visibility. I don't even play on console which is notoriously even harder to see on.
i havent touched survivor because of killers like plague and the killers with tentacles but also i end up running lightborn mostly because the blind graphic is legit painful.
5:52 ugh I used have this phobia and it was pretty extreme years ago. It’s definitely not as bad as before but I literally hate hearing the puking sounds when I play against plague. I always dc against her 😢
5:11 I have the feeling that everytime you hear the heartbeat ingame my heart starts racing simply because of the beating sound and it makes me panic and I feel weird also Im not sure if its super healthy for your heart to race every 2 minutes and then it goes back to normal and goes back to racing etc., I wish you could change the volume of sound effects, ik u could abuse so maybe they could put a minimum of volume you have to have because otherwise u have an unfair advantage.. is anyone with me?
also how would you made spirit accesible for playing her, i can't track via audio so i just can't play her even tho she keeps getting cool skins and her power is cool. giving her the ability to see even with killer instinct during phase would arguably break her strenght wise. idk how she's fixable in that regard without impacting her strenght lvl or nurse and motion sickness specifically(tho arguably she would need a complete rework). there's just a lot of standart setting that are missing from the game. some maps like badham are just very dark, dreamworld on top of it from freddy makes it even darker, dreamworld on rpd is a nightmare imo pun intended. the fact that there's not even a brightness setting is shocking. i play both sides, im mainly a achivement hunter, but a shear lack of accesibility even basics are just missing from the game, and i recall there were ppl againts the visual heartbeat when it was announced cause it made it ''easier to hear someone coming'' sry but some of us basically were guessing all the time before that
Yea this video mostly talks about survivor accessibility since Killers are a whole nother can of worms. For killers, perhaps they can include a visual indicator for survivor noises, similar to the radial indicators I made in the video. And it would have different icons for breathing/footsteps/injured noises, and the subtitles would say which survivor it was. Now that I think about it it's kind of insane how veteran players know all the voice differences between all the survivors, but its something that takes so long for new players to learn. At the moment, I feel like Dried Cherry Blossom might help for playing Spirit without audio, but ofc we dont want accessibility to require the use of specific add-ons.
I agree with a lot of this, my only concern is when it does start to give already good players an edge, the Visual heart was meant to be for people with a hearing impairment know when a killer is getting closer, however most streamers and competitive players use it almost like a 5th perk so they can talk and don't have to listen out for when the killer is approaching, hell it's actually interesting watching a survivor stream with the heart turned off vs one with it turned on, as the streamers with it off get caught out massively more then the ones with it on
I just don't see how that's a bad thing lmao. Like a lot of people play this game while interacting with chat or in a big voicechat and it's nice to be able to have good information without having to mute or tell your friends to be quiet because killer is nearby or spirit is phasing or something. I just feel like the fear of elevating good players shouldn't prevent us from scaffolding bad players.
@@el_doinko and there in lies the problem, it wouldn't be for people with hearing impairments it would just be for streamers to scream at each other and still have advantage over the killer, if it's truly something to help someone it shouldn't then be abusable by those who don't need it because they want to talk to a chat or friends, hell as a killer i don't get a little radar telling me when i get close to survivors that i can just flick on and i'm visually impaired myself i can't see out of my left eyes and when i get flashlight blinded because i forgot to put on Lightborne is rather painful but they won't alter that at all for me will they?
@@DCPTF2 You talk as if someone else's gameplay experience somehow negatively affects yours. If these features are implemented, and they supposedly offer an advantage, you'll also have access to them, so the playing field *is* level. ALSO I included an example about flashlights in the video lmfaooo
Something simple like the flashlight effect could have a dark option but most other stuff should be kept the way they are. If you had text on screen for every sound it whould be unfair and everyone whould just abuse it. Altered sound effects sounds silly and whould also be clearer to hear in most situations so you whould also have a slight advantage for using them. Lastly implementing phobia filters to horror games is beyond stupid Imo. It's horror, you are supposed to be scared. Maybe in games like Minecraft you could have a filter for kids and so but the idea of playing Silent hill and pyramid head looking like pickle Rick sounds atrocious. There is a phobia for every single thing on this planet. If we make plague a kid with a watergun, clown an alcoholic hobo and doctor into electro from Spiderman still people will come out complaining about chucky cause dolls are scary and he should be turned into Woody from Toy Story. So what if the game is not for everyone? It is not and that's perfectly fine cause no game is for everyone. I really am sorry for the people with hearing disabilities cause they are the most affected but I don't know how to implement a solution that will not break the game. And to all of those complaining cause they have phobias. We don't care. This is a horror game so you should be scared. If you don't like it don't play it.
>Altered sfx would not offer an advantage >Accessibility as presented in this video will barely have an effect on higher level play. If anything it will help bring up average players >Phobia filters are optional and only visible to the user, so theres literally no reason to be against them or gatekeep them. And your examples are basically taking the examples from the video and slippery sloping them.
Phobia settings in horror games are stupid. We have a simple way of dealing with that already called *getting over it.* If you're scared in a horror game, the game is doing it's job right. If you're too scared to play and don't like it, then leave. I love accessibility in games, but this is like adding options to help a wheelchair user in the 100 yard dash. You can't cater to everyone, especially people who don't like and can't handle your game.
I agree but if the main focus ain't the spiders, it's not that hard to add that filter, a phobia a majority of people have, it's not that deep to do that, just like changing the noises of vomiting said in the video, the sound isn't the main problem, it's the effect of the sound, changing it to a less disgusting sound is not that bad, but people should expect those things in an horror game like dbd anyways
Except, you can -- I literally just showed you how. Lmao. The thing about the phobia filters especially is that they literally won't effect other peoples' gameplay. So there's no reason to be against it really.
😂 what. Privilege to have a working body? That's not what a privilege is. I can understand what ya mean, but accessibility options have to be accessible for all and with that those that aren't at such disadvantages they will be able to use these options to gain an advantage and make the competition in the game far harder them it should be for those not using or who have disadvantages requiring the accessibility. If it wasn't a competitive online salt festival it wouldn't be that big of a deal to add accessibility options.
That's just it though, once you're good at the game, lowering the bar for entry, or scaffolding gameplay for newer or less abled players, is not actually going to negatively impact your experience when playing against them. You're already equipped to deal with competition no matter what they have at their disposal. Now, playing solo queue and having a survivor teammate that can't hear and has no accessibility aids? That's going to negatively impact your experience.
@@el_doinko We are talking DbD. The toxic community will just blame their f-ups on the developers for implementing these "cheat" options. Then the developers may change or add a mechanic that then creates a new need for a new accessibility option. An endless cycle of relearning to be good at the game you've already learned. In any other non competitive online game with a decent community/player base accessibility is a key.
So how does another player's cope effect you?? That's basically what my closing statement was on this video. People are gonna cry about *anything*, who cares, let them. Those players are the ones who will always make excuses and stay bad anyway. We shouldn't deprive the game of features to appease the lowest common denominator.
@@el_doinko "People are gonna cry about 'anything', who cares let them." This includes accessibility options. This includes you and I. People have limits not everyone can do everything and to ruin an online competitive game for those that complain they can't play or unnerved by aspects of the game, is selfish.
@@kojinooni So in this video I was pretty mild about my suggestions, showing aids that could help players without hindering the experience of others. You're basically just slippery-sloping this and imagining the most extreme versions of it. Which is certainly a method of thinking that you can use. It just isn't particularly productive or useful. It's just fearmongering on... yourself. There's hints of that here and there, like that TLOU2 example, or perhaps Street Fighter 6's Dynamic controls (which can't be used online), but until you have a tangible example of accessibility options "ruining" a game you're just jumping at shadows. A deaf survivor who has visual indicators on where sound effects are coming from isn't going to ruin your match.
Yeah who cares if people use external tools to change the game, who cares if those tools change the game giving you an advantage small or not, who cares if people use those tools to give them speed hacks and wall hacks. And if you need a phobia filter or need to change the sounds survivors or killers make to make you "comfortable" then your weak, your an adult grow a pair it's a M rated horror game. Oh and I don't have to justify my reasoning for any of the stuff I said because and I quote " there should not have to be a justification if someone has an issue with it they have an issue with it and I'm just gonna talk about it".
Thank you for making this video + featuring me in it. You werent even that combative, im actually glad to discuss things- its just hard to tell tone sometimes in text and the character limit on twitter can make things hard to discuss sometimes and generally I am met with a lot of rude comments + insults + even ableism when trying to discuss things regarding accessibility, so I would like to apologize if I came off defensive or dismissive at first. Its hard to balance accessibility especially for killers like doctor imo. But i think just because it is hard doesnt mean it shouldn't happen. Horror also doesnt mean that it should lack accessibility options.. so many horror games have amazing accessibility options. I love DBD and its my favorite game. I do suffer facing 3 killers due to accessibility issues as you saw in my video but that doesnt mean I don't want to play this game 🥺. I appreciate you offering alrernatives (the screams were my favorite LOL) because I can see the argument that replacing them is better than removing them. I also appreciate you bringing these ideas to life. This was a very fun watch + thank you for taking the time to also add warnings ❤
Im hoping with more people discussing accessibility concerns in the game that bhvr will make a statement / begin to add more options. ❤
Hey fellas,
I forgot to mention it in the video, but in regards to motor accessibility, BHVR notably changed the mashing on Second Hook Stage and Wiggling to skill checks, which can be considered an advancement made for motor accessibility. I personally remember playing with many people who died on Second Stage just because they couldn't keep up with the mashing after playing for however long. This hopefully shows *some* interest on BHVR's part in creating alternate control methods for those who suffer from motor disabilities.
DBD is probably the only video game community that has accused me and another person in a thread of supposedly wanting an unfair advantage because we have noise sensitivity and hate Dredge's Nightfall moaning.
dbd the only game where ppl get mad at you for winning lmfao
I have to play completely muted vs dredge I completely understand
There is actually a "phobia" setting in house flipper which I like a lot, it replaces all cockroaches with glass shards to clean up with the same tool. Very similar to Lethal Company's spider replacement, but it's simple recontextualizations like that that just make it less arbitrarily unpleasant!
petition to make plague breath fire!
There's something called “Curb-Cut Effect,” which is a subset of Universal Design principles, highlights the phenomenon where designs or initiatives intended to benefit specific groups inadvertently improve accessibility for a broader range of people, meaning making something accessible for the minority, also helps the vast majority anyway, think of the curb cut, which the name comes from, of the sound notification of a spotlight when it becomes green, it helps both the visually impaired but also helps a random guy who maybe is busy answering an email on his phone etc etc
Anyone who studied anything related to design knows it's one of the first thing they teach you because it's always a net positive
That's interesting! Yeah I didn't use this term in the video but I suppose one way to look at it is to lower the "skill floor," or rather, to make the game easier to pick up for newcomers in general, by giving them the tools to better approach, or "access," the game.
speaking of minecraft subtitles, they also point left or right for direction (or both if it's non-directional)
oh and for phobias, i literally have friends who cant play against certain killers because of their phobias. having a coulrophobia option that changes clown from being a clown (like with his original gas bomb soldier guy concept or something) or a anti-zombie option that replaces nemesis zombies and the rpd map zombies with robots or something, idk. it would make the game better for a decent amount of ppl
With plague Ive always thought their could be an option to make her vomit confetti and her barfing noice laughing. And survivors could be giggling. On the topic of directional audio I dont like it one bit purely because people who dont have a condition will use it. Like I use the visual terror radius because I cant hear softer noices but my brothers also use it and they have no hearing problem
This is something I'm vocal about at the end of the video, but essentially, utilizing accessibility features as a fully able-bodied person shouldn't really create a significant difference in their skill ceiling. It depends on what implementations there are ofc but things like directional indicators or sound effect subtitles really won't elevate your gameplay. What serves as scaffolding for one player is not going to be a crutch for another player.
BANGER ALERT
Joke aside, I'm glad this topic is being brought into the discussion table and hopefully BHVR improved it in the far future to DBD for those who has impairments.
I think it's *super* hard to balance a lot of these things.
Killer Footsteps and Survivor footsteps are important parts of gameplay. If you add an indicator and it's inaccurate, it's not useful. If you add it and it IS accurate, suddenly everyone HAS to use it because it becomes wallhacks, and you've also completely ruined every stealth perk and killer that's ever been added.
I think maybe one nice way to approach it could be an indicator priority system? Similar to how you showed the gen detection thing, the volume level of certain sounds would be prioritized.
Maybe within close proximity stuff like wraith's breathing, medium volume killer movement, could be prioritized.
But if you're near a generator, the generator indicator could be prioritized.
Other very important sounds like Wraith Uncloak, Chainsaws, etc. Could then take priority over the Gen Noise.
The movement indicators could also become less accurate during chase and when within Terror Radius to prevent it from becoming a wallhack situation.
Killers could probably benefit from keeping Survivor footsteps when they're close by, since trying to chase without footsteps is genuinely really hard.
As for Plague, maybe it could be an option to make her attacks utilize her incense instead of Puke when the disability option is enabled. Have her hold up the censer, charge it up, and then make it a stream of smoke that comes from the censer rather than her mouth. Instead of having puke on Survivors, that white smoke could linger on them.
Clown I think probably should have more visual clutter than a letterbox effect. That wouldn't be nearly as impactful and would be an immediate switch on for players.
I think a good method could be to change it from visual distortion to just an actual smoke overlay on the screen, possibly also hiding the Red Stain while that option is on to make it roughly equal power.
As for Dredge, they're removing the loud wooshing sound that comes from him, so maybe they can add back as non-directional audio during Nightfall for an accessibility option.
Great video and great ideas! love the hearing ques for the trigger warnings in the vid and the idea with the sound que for the screams!
Okay, the Emetophobia rap was hella funny and unexpected xD
Huge issue with this game - so glad you made a video on it!
Thanks, now all i can think about is replacing the plague vomit sound with fludd from mario sunshine.
yeah i agree more games should have accessibility features and just minecraft-style directional closed captions alone would do a lot. i cant tell you how many times i hear footsteps as survivor, dont know where its coming from and freak out only to find out its another survivor instead of the stealth killer i was expecting
6:09 ok bars
I want to add that Blast Mine is really bad for lights too. I have picked Lightborn before and then I kick a Blast Mine gen and the bright white flash hits. I have visual impairments so it just made it really painful. It’d be nice if they maybe removed the fucking flash bang you get if using Lightborn on a Blast Mine Gen
I personally wouldn't need them, but that would be a silly reason to say they shouldn't exist.
11:49 I love the idea of including the subtitles "Killer attack misses" and then you still getting hit. This happens way too much to me as a Switch DBD gamer 😂
12:48 I think I mentioned this on Chey's video, but I was thinking that maybe making it so the lights at the top of a gen brighten or get brighter to show a survivor is actively working on a gen (both killer and survivor sided) might help Deaf players. Do you have any thoughts on that?
15:10 I understand where this creator is coming from, but at the end of the game it's a game and the point is to have fun. Some people will see it as "cheesing the game", others will find this as a silly way to do the daily, but at the end of the day it still made it accessible to the people who couldn't participate in that part of the game at all before.
16:28 an auto chase sounds so freaking fun almost like a quick time event, but I know so many people would get so mad at this especially with current issues about not being able to vault or throw a pallet even with the prompt to do so. I also wonder how this would affect mind games mid chase since you can't really mind game a current bot.
I'm commenting on any and all accessibility videos for DBD because I am an accessibility worker for my school, so I'm very passionate about the topic especially for one of my favorite games. Thank you so much for spreading the word and giving great alternatives for the game!
Yeah I mostly included Anthony's TLOU2 clip in there because I did want to represent a balanced perspective and there are so few examples of accessibility conflicting with competition. I definitely want to delve further into this topic, especially coming up with more accessibility examples for the Killer side.
I wish I could turn off screen effects from various conditions like screen getting darker when in deep wound, vomits covering your screen etc. I just become legally blind with these effects and I cannot play the match.
I would like better filters and brightness options like every other game on the planet because man I can't see the game too often
yeah i didnt get to touch on it in this video but the colourblindness settings could really use more work. Again i understand that poor visibility is an intended gameplay feature but I think we can make some exceptions for the sake of accessibility
@@el_doinko yeah but some levels are so dark that I can't see anything at all. part of the reason the reworked graphics are good imo because places like RPD I could literally not see a thing in some of the halls so I just get trapped by the random garbage on the ground before they reworked it and made it brighter. low visibility is one thing, but a lot stuff is no visibility. I don't even play on console which is notoriously even harder to see on.
i havent touched survivor because of killers like plague and the killers with tentacles but also i end up running lightborn mostly because the blind graphic is legit painful.
The Puppet combo games aren't even jump scare, legit earrape for how louds it is lmfao
5:52 ugh I used have this phobia and it was pretty extreme years ago. It’s definitely not as bad as before but I literally hate hearing the puking sounds when I play against plague. I always dc against her 😢
It doesn't bother me but when I first started playing her the M2 cancel sound effect DEFINITELY made me queasy. UGH it's so gross fr omg
@@el_doinko Absolutely gross 😫
I've been saying all this since 2018, even put up a petition.
YAY EL DOINKO
Actually usually I immediately leaving the match if I see Plague, hate being in green goo
5:11 I have the feeling that everytime you hear the heartbeat ingame my heart starts racing simply because of the beating sound and it makes me panic and I feel weird also Im not sure if its super healthy for your heart to race every 2 minutes and then it goes back to normal and goes back to racing etc., I wish you could change the volume of sound effects, ik u could abuse so maybe they could put a minimum of volume you have to have because otherwise u have an unfair advantage.. is anyone with me?
Plauge seems quite hard seeming that her mori is you see her vomiting into the survivor's mouth so im not really sure what you would do for this
>change the sfx (in the video)
>change the colour (in the video)
All else fails, look away??
also how would you made spirit accesible for playing her, i can't track via audio so i just can't play her even tho she keeps getting cool skins and her power is cool. giving her the ability to see even with killer instinct during phase would arguably break her strenght wise. idk how she's fixable in that regard without impacting her strenght lvl or nurse and motion sickness specifically(tho arguably she would need a complete rework). there's just a lot of standart setting that are missing from the game. some maps like badham are just very dark, dreamworld on top of it from freddy makes it even darker, dreamworld on rpd is a nightmare imo pun intended. the fact that there's not even a brightness setting is shocking. i play both sides, im mainly a achivement hunter, but a shear lack of accesibility even basics are just missing from the game, and i recall there were ppl againts the visual heartbeat when it was announced cause it made it ''easier to hear someone coming'' sry but some of us basically were guessing all the time before that
Yea this video mostly talks about survivor accessibility since Killers are a whole nother can of worms.
For killers, perhaps they can include a visual indicator for survivor noises, similar to the radial indicators I made in the video. And it would have different icons for breathing/footsteps/injured noises, and the subtitles would say which survivor it was.
Now that I think about it it's kind of insane how veteran players know all the voice differences between all the survivors, but its something that takes so long for new players to learn.
At the moment, I feel like Dried Cherry Blossom might help for playing Spirit without audio, but ofc we dont want accessibility to require the use of specific add-ons.
I agree with a lot of this, my only concern is when it does start to give already good players an edge, the Visual heart was meant to be for people with a hearing impairment know when a killer is getting closer, however most streamers and competitive players use it almost like a 5th perk so they can talk and don't have to listen out for when the killer is approaching, hell it's actually interesting watching a survivor stream with the heart turned off vs one with it turned on, as the streamers with it off get caught out massively more then the ones with it on
I just don't see how that's a bad thing lmao. Like a lot of people play this game while interacting with chat or in a big voicechat and it's nice to be able to have good information without having to mute or tell your friends to be quiet because killer is nearby or spirit is phasing or something. I just feel like the fear of elevating good players shouldn't prevent us from scaffolding bad players.
@@el_doinko and there in lies the problem, it wouldn't be for people with hearing impairments it would just be for streamers to scream at each other and still have advantage over the killer, if it's truly something to help someone it shouldn't then be abusable by those who don't need it because they want to talk to a chat or friends, hell as a killer i don't get a little radar telling me when i get close to survivors that i can just flick on and i'm visually impaired myself i can't see out of my left eyes and when i get flashlight blinded because i forgot to put on Lightborne is rather painful but they won't alter that at all for me will they?
@@DCPTF2 You talk as if someone else's gameplay experience somehow negatively affects yours. If these features are implemented, and they supposedly offer an advantage, you'll also have access to them, so the playing field *is* level.
ALSO I included an example about flashlights in the video lmfaooo
Something simple like the flashlight effect could have a dark option but most other stuff should be kept the way they are. If you had text on screen for every sound it whould be unfair and everyone whould just abuse it. Altered sound effects sounds silly and whould also be clearer to hear in most situations so you whould also have a slight advantage for using them. Lastly implementing phobia filters to horror games is beyond stupid Imo. It's horror, you are supposed to be scared. Maybe in games like Minecraft you could have a filter for kids and so but the idea of playing Silent hill and pyramid head looking like pickle Rick sounds atrocious. There is a phobia for every single thing on this planet. If we make plague a kid with a watergun, clown an alcoholic hobo and doctor into electro from Spiderman still people will come out complaining about chucky cause dolls are scary and he should be turned into Woody from Toy Story. So what if the game is not for everyone? It is not and that's perfectly fine cause no game is for everyone. I really am sorry for the people with hearing disabilities cause they are the most affected but I don't know how to implement a solution that will not break the game. And to all of those complaining cause they have phobias. We don't care. This is a horror game so you should be scared. If you don't like it don't play it.
Nah try again
>Altered sfx would not offer an advantage
>Accessibility as presented in this video will barely have an effect on higher level play. If anything it will help bring up average players
>Phobia filters are optional and only visible to the user, so theres literally no reason to be against them or gatekeep them. And your examples are basically taking the examples from the video and slippery sloping them.
Phobia settings in horror games are stupid. We have a simple way of dealing with that already called *getting over it.* If you're scared in a horror game, the game is doing it's job right. If you're too scared to play and don't like it, then leave. I love accessibility in games, but this is like adding options to help a wheelchair user in the 100 yard dash. You can't cater to everyone, especially people who don't like and can't handle your game.
I agree but if the main focus ain't the spiders, it's not that hard to add that filter, a phobia a majority of people have, it's not that deep to do that, just like changing the noises of vomiting said in the video, the sound isn't the main problem, it's the effect of the sound, changing it to a less disgusting sound is not that bad, but people should expect those things in an horror game like dbd anyways
Except, you can -- I literally just showed you how. Lmao.
The thing about the phobia filters especially is that they literally won't effect other peoples' gameplay. So there's no reason to be against it really.
😂 what. Privilege to have a working body? That's not what a privilege is.
I can understand what ya mean, but accessibility options have to be accessible for all and with that those that aren't at such disadvantages they will be able to use these options to gain an advantage and make the competition in the game far harder them it should be for those not using or who have disadvantages requiring the accessibility.
If it wasn't a competitive online salt festival it wouldn't be that big of a deal to add accessibility options.
That's just it though, once you're good at the game, lowering the bar for entry, or scaffolding gameplay for newer or less abled players, is not actually going to negatively impact your experience when playing against them. You're already equipped to deal with competition no matter what they have at their disposal. Now, playing solo queue and having a survivor teammate that can't hear and has no accessibility aids? That's going to negatively impact your experience.
@@el_doinko We are talking DbD. The toxic community will just blame their f-ups on the developers for implementing these "cheat" options. Then the developers may change or add a mechanic that then creates a new need for a new accessibility option. An endless cycle of relearning to be good at the game you've already learned.
In any other non competitive online game with a decent community/player base accessibility is a key.
So how does another player's cope effect you?? That's basically what my closing statement was on this video. People are gonna cry about *anything*, who cares, let them. Those players are the ones who will always make excuses and stay bad anyway. We shouldn't deprive the game of features to appease the lowest common denominator.
@@el_doinko "People are gonna cry about 'anything', who cares let them."
This includes accessibility options. This includes you and I.
People have limits not everyone can do everything and to ruin an online competitive game for those that complain they can't play or unnerved by aspects of the game, is selfish.
@@kojinooni So in this video I was pretty mild about my suggestions, showing aids that could help players without hindering the experience of others. You're basically just slippery-sloping this and imagining the most extreme versions of it. Which is certainly a method of thinking that you can use. It just isn't particularly productive or useful. It's just fearmongering on... yourself. There's hints of that here and there, like that TLOU2 example, or perhaps Street Fighter 6's Dynamic controls (which can't be used online), but until you have a tangible example of accessibility options "ruining" a game you're just jumping at shadows. A deaf survivor who has visual indicators on where sound effects are coming from isn't going to ruin your match.
Yeah who cares if people use external tools to change the game, who cares if those tools change the game giving you an advantage small or not, who cares if people use those tools to give them speed hacks and wall hacks. And if you need a phobia filter or need to change the sounds survivors or killers make to make you "comfortable" then your weak, your an adult grow a pair it's a M rated horror game. Oh and I don't have to justify my reasoning for any of the stuff I said because and I quote " there should not have to be a justification if someone has an issue with it they have an issue with it and I'm just gonna talk about it".
your mind is weak and your soul is forfeit
@@el_doinko I wouldn't say my mind is weak but I did sell my soul to reach double digits 😏
@@el_doinko but that doesn't address the fact that you condone using external tools to change the game
@@thedarksoul6655 What, Reshade? The thing that BHVR has whitelisted? Nobody is in here defending hackers lmao
@@thedarksoul6655 DBD content takes me hours and hours to make and it makes me zero money, what are you on about