Dysphoria Isn’t Self Hatred

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  • @godlesssnowshoe
    @godlesssnowshoe  5 месяцев назад +54

    while this video is transmedicalist as i am a transmed, and i think a lot of the misunderstandings around dysphoria do stem from anti-transmed discussions, ultimately the goal of this video is not to convince anyone of transmedicalism but to counter very harmful misinformation around what dysphoria is. even if you're vehemently anti-transmed i still hope im able to convey the information in a way thats helpful and helps broaden peoples understanding of the experience! understanding the diverse ways dysphoria can be experienced does not make you a transmed, and not all inclusionists have a misunderstanding of dysphoria :)

    • @FreyW-mb2dj
      @FreyW-mb2dj 5 месяцев назад +4

      YOOO I am a transmed too, sometimes I feel like I shouldn’t be proud of being trans but flag cool… It’s nice to see transmedicalists that are kind and not constantly shaming others!

    • @KageKatze
      @KageKatze Месяц назад

      I automatically assume anyone calling themselves a trans med Is a wannabe high school mean girl and completely mentally unstable. I also expect them to screech at anyone who isn't a straight binary trans woman with bottom surgery and will likely continue to do so because it's so very rarely wrong.
      That being said I 100% agree with your definition of dysphoria here and have been enjoying your videos. I wish more transmeds were like you.

  • @prageruwu69
    @prageruwu69 5 месяцев назад +91

    i really get the fluctuating dysphoria thing. personally my voice was a HUGE dysphoria trigger for me pre-t but now that it's at least kind of changed (almost 2 months on t, no huge voice drop yet but still a noticable change) my voice dysphoria isn't *as* intense anymore and my chest dysphoria is way more noticable to me.
    the point about toxic positivity and people saying "you shouldn't care about passing", too. caring about passing isn't something we can just stop doing, it kind of comes with the dysphoria. it comes off as really insensitive and tone deaf.

  • @zenmaster8
    @zenmaster8 5 месяцев назад +61

    I dont identify myself as transmed myself but i do find discomfort the way that some "inclusionists" as you tell trans people to love their body when they complain about gender dysphoria. I personally experience a mixture of disassociation (how i basically coped till i cracked at like 18-19), and once i realized that i was trans i also started to have a mild distress at misgendering and particularly male parts of my body, especially when pointed out by others. I also totally agree that gender euphoria is really just an alleviation of a constant state of dysphoria. Its like when you havent eaten anything in a while and anything you eat when you are like that is the most delicious thing in the world at that moment. You lived in the dark you're whole life so when you see a candle you identify yourself as in extremely bright light when its what you should have had all along. I'm personally one to advocate for trans people with extreme distress over their body to A. Do whatever techniques they can to alleviate the problem areas (showering in the dark, try to reframe feminine things as masculine or vice versa) and B. to try and practice body neutrality. Like yeah i hate my body but my current situation has me not on HRT yet so i should be grateful that otherwise I am healthy and alive. I find forced positivity to be really harmful to people who are going through significant distress.

    • @crystalvulpine2314
      @crystalvulpine2314 5 месяцев назад

      Positivity doesn't work for everyone. Our brains must just be wired differently.
      The "inclusionists" are example of the horseshoe theory. They became so absurdly radical beyond reason, that even the people they're supposed to be fighting for have now become enemies.

    • @ghoulgrimmz
      @ghoulgrimmz 5 месяцев назад +12

      omg i feel like i never hear ppl talk abt body neutrality anymore... thank you. like me wanting top surgery or hrt isnt me hating myself, its just that this body, the way it is, does not feel like "mine"

  • @GobiLovelocks
    @GobiLovelocks 5 месяцев назад +13

    How I described it to a friend its similar to imposter syndrome
    Instead of feeling you're an imposter to others you feel like your physical body is an imposter to yourself

  • @ghoulgrimmz
    @ghoulgrimmz 5 месяцев назад +13

    3:48 dude, you just perfectly captured how dysphoria feels for me most of the time

  • @Lesopal
    @Lesopal 5 месяцев назад +16

    i was having trouble thinking about what it even felt like to experience dysphoria recently, and then someone who i really wanted to be good friends with kept on misgendering me and the feeling was something beyond words, it feels closest to extreme disappointment or feeling extremely alone, it's completely soul crushing to be referred to incorrectly and it lasts, but with time and care I've found that it slowly lessens till a wave of euphoria makes me forget it

  • @needmorecoffeeandquiettime
    @needmorecoffeeandquiettime 4 месяца назад +6

    Trans guy here. Just start T 1.5 months ago on my 38th birthday. One of the reasons it took me so long to figure out that I'm trans is because I didn't have a good understanding of gender dysphoria. I had assumed it was intense and severe 24/7. That there was never reprieve or that it wasn't a sliding scale of severity. Coming from someone who didn't have an understanding of GD, I can see why others assume GD isn't part of being trans. But I genuinely think that's because they too may not understand it in depth. I really enjoyed the way you've explained it here! Sure wish I'd understood it at a younger age!

    • @prageruwu69
      @prageruwu69 2 месяца назад +1

      i'm kinda late but congrats on getting on t! it truly is an amazing experience.

    • @needmorecoffeeandquiettime
      @needmorecoffeeandquiettime 2 месяца назад

      @prageruwu69 Ty! Just celebrated 3 months a few days ago. I couldn't be happier! Well, minus the hair loss. 😱😂

  • @ECHOBLASTER
    @ECHOBLASTER 5 месяцев назад +6

    I had gender dysphoria when I like mid 17, i started to notice that I liked having long hair and looking cute, then progessviely I started thinking about it more and more and even go far into having nightmares about it in my dreams. Around June of 2024 I started to just stop denying it because my friend was giving me advice about trans life and I started idenitfying myself as a girl. I remember I had like faint symptoms of being trans before but I just brushed it off because I felt like I didn't fit into both the social status of both genders, I was an isloated autistic kid and still am isloated til this day.
    A lot of shit happened throughout my life and being trans was an extra stress for me, my christian family loves me but I felt like I was better off dead, I know it isn't true but the cowardly thoughts haunt me. People are so weird about someones idenity like ok idgaf, it shouldn't have a boundry.
    It's gonna take a long time for me to get better, but I hope my 20s wouldn't be in such a turmoil

  • @pedroff_1
    @pedroff_1 5 месяцев назад +27

    Hi, trans med student who is anti-medicalist here!
    I have to say I quite disagree with both your general stance and your take on dysphoria.
    I mean, I do agree it can manifest in ways other than self-hatred. Still, I don't think anything you could call dysphoria in good faith describes how I felt, and I think trying to fit any of it as "dysphoria" would result in a meaning of the word so vague it loses predictive power.
    Anyway, while I never felt I wuite belonged to being a guy, and had occasional and growing thoughts of wanting to be a woman, I can't say I felt any amount of considerable distress related to it. At most, I had some discomfort being shirtless at the beach that now has greatly reduced (and may also have to do with my autism), but I didn't dissociate, and the time around my puberty was pretty chill, with some of my best and most memorable experiences being around that time.
    And that doesn't make me not absolutely melt of joy when I'm called by she/her nowadays, or being extra proud of myself when I look in the mirror. But that never came, to me, at the cost of feeling bad before. At most, I felt neutral.

    • @BrawlerGamma
      @BrawlerGamma 5 месяцев назад +3

      My experience was similar! It took me until 29 to realize I was trans because any dysphoria one might say I had either manifested as apathy or was being kinda filtered out by the part of my brain that was conditioned very early on to see myself and present as 'normal' and see maintenance of that perception as a survival necessity (it has routinely failed but it continues to do its best lmao)... Didn't even feel a strong pull toward girly things when I thought about it, but then when someone else describing their own uncommon gender experience, different from what's typical of most trans people, I related to a specific aspect in a way I was like, "Wait... oh fuck, I *do* wanna be girl--thaaaat's why getting off to girls with weins hits so different and why the voice in the back of my head only says it'd be so cool to be hot like that in *those* cases!"
      And pursuing and exploring that has been an alleviation of apathy into pure joy and excitement for me! 🥰 It makes me sad knowing most people like me have to struggle against much more extreme discomfort before they can feel that way, if they ever get to such a high point...

    • @pedroff_1
      @pedroff_1 5 месяцев назад +4

      @@BrawlerGamma hehe. I figured it out a bit earlier, at 22, but, yeah, it took me *so* long having those thoughts because I never realised trans people can be so diverse. I thought my apathy meant an utter disconnect between my and what I imagined "always have known" trans people to be like. I thought I couldn't be trans if I had somewhat distaste for a handful of stereotypically feminie things, although I found tomboys just so cool (and cute. And wanted to be like them).
      Framing things solely through dysphoria would never get me to realise I like so much being a gal.
      And, yeah, my hugest synpathies to every trans person who deals with dysphoria in a more meaningful way; I'm eternally grateful I didn't have to go through that

  • @ter2364
    @ter2364 5 месяцев назад +7

    honestly the dissociation part kinda somehow slots with me constantly viewing my body as a 'machine' and my consciousness as a 'pilot', as ive previously like rejected makeup products over and over again under the notion of "my machine functions just fine without pretty paint, and i, as the pilot, know what it is and isnt, for ive known it my entire life and will continue to know it for the rest of my life Also none of the girly stuff i do is ME me i have to make my machine go with it for the performance Trust?"
    its weird and very vague explanation to be able to justify not being feminine for anyone who isnt aware of transness/is knowledgeable on the transgender experience and its confused many
    Good to know my feelings are valid dysphoria!!!

  • @SpawnOfYogSothoth2387
    @SpawnOfYogSothoth2387 5 месяцев назад +5

    One thing that gets on my nerves when it comes to the trans community is how every mention of passing with a positive connotation must come with the caviat that it’s necessary for safety, like the only acceptable reason for wanting to pass is if you’re under risk of being attacked if you don’t. Like good for you if you don’t care about it, but not everyone has to be visibly trans and proud of it. I shouldn’t be looked at like I just committed a crime for saying I want to look like a cis man

    • @sheriffaboubakar9720
      @sheriffaboubakar9720 5 месяцев назад

      I stg some trans people think that they are special or something

  • @AngelCakez2006
    @AngelCakez2006 5 месяцев назад +4

    As sombody who is trans i have so much dysphoria ranging from my voice to my chest and even my privete area it is so bad that i don't even want to even see myself unclothed. I feel as if my body is disconneted to myself entirely. And when people say crap like why do need to pass you, don't need to pass. That's when i have to say i have to pass for a reason because of how bad my dysphoria is. I need to be seen as the gender i am so i won't get misgendered.

  • @Obsessive_cartoon_drawer
    @Obsessive_cartoon_drawer 5 месяцев назад +27

    I really needed to hear this, I’m genderfluid and whenever I feel more masculine and look at myself, it’s more of an uncomfortable feeling than self hatred, the self hatred I have is MUCH different than my gender dysphoria loll

  • @karasuarts900
    @karasuarts900 5 месяцев назад +1

    This is eye opening. I always doubted my validity at times since it’s not that I dislike and look at the mirror and hate myself but as you said I disassociate. And this is exactly me, I feel like two different people in one body to the extent of memories of me boymoding seeming like someone else’s memories and not my own.

  • @EllyCatfox
    @EllyCatfox 5 месяцев назад +14

    I'm frustrated with the whole arguing between both parties here and flagrant disregard for each other's nuance in their perspectives. Not you in this specific video but the tired patterns of this whole topic that keep happening. I'm nonbinary and fairly anti-transmedicalist but it has nothing to do with dysphoria. I have a decent amount of dysphoria. I just don't think that the medical system is the only way to handle it or that pathologizing us for having the desires to have different parts or be a different gender as an *illness* is a good thing, at least under the current american healthcare system, under capitalism, under patriarchy etc. I'm also pretty against our healthcare system in general and I don't like most of how psychiatry and healthcare is practiced here at all. I've suffered a lot of abuse and ignorance from the system over and over. If we had a better system I might be more transmedicalist but as it is people have to turn to alternatives a lot of the time in order to get some semblance of the care they need. The ability to ever afford top surgery is a huge privilege many of us will never have. I live in abject poverty and have for a long time with no real roads out of it. My experiences and what I and people like me do to cope or alleviate our woes is no less legitimate than what anyone else does. Anti-transmeds are not the only ones ignoring the others' perspectives and definitions.
    Regardless, thank you for the video. Namaste.

  • @XuliPaws
    @XuliPaws 5 месяцев назад +4

    This video made me realize I am very very heavily dysphoric

  • @Cebollaverde
    @Cebollaverde 5 месяцев назад +1

    Great video! I would love to hear you speak more about the concept of “passing”. Specifically, a lot of people (mostly cis people) equate a desire to pass with “caring too much about what people think about you”. Getting clocked and misgendered by a stranger gives me dysphoria and makes me feel unsafe, whereas the feeling of passing makes me feel like I’m safe and can be myself in public. None of this has anything to do with me being self conscious or caring what random strangers think about me, but so many people talk about it in those terms.

  • @averysadeer
    @averysadeer 5 месяцев назад +3

    This was a really good video. It’s rare to find someone going into the nuances of different ways gender dysphoria can manifest. I found the way you explained things very clarifying. If I had seen this when I was just starting to figure out my trans identity I think it would have helped a lot. I used to think I had to be constantly hating my body in order to warrant medical treatment.
    There is something to be said though about being able to accept parts of your trans body that you can’t change or can’t change for a while. For me, realizing that just because I have certain body parts/proportions, that doesn’t make me a woman, and that plenty of guys have the same features. This mental reframing has helped me lessen my dysphoria.

  • @LILGUY_ink
    @LILGUY_ink 5 месяцев назад +2

    This vid actually helped so much. I believe I might have body dysphoria because I listened to what you listed that body dysphoria might be like and I separated myself from my self hatred and I feel and experience a lot of those things. Of course I have to do more research but this video helps a lot and made me feel like I could be seen. (I know this might be a lot but I’ve been exploring my gender identity and having this explained makes me feel less alone) ^^

  • @LiveInTheBasementWithMe
    @LiveInTheBasementWithMe 5 месяцев назад +8

    Can’t wait for the video!1!1!

  • @xcato13x
    @xcato13x 5 месяцев назад +7

    Yo! A furry artist who also does nuanced commentary on important topics of political discussion? And you listen to Moonwalker did I hear?? An absolute gem of a channel for me to find!

    • @godlesssnowshoe
      @godlesssnowshoe  5 месяцев назад +3

      ah ty!! also yes i LOOOVE moonwalker! i was actually gonna see them in concert but got sick 😭

  • @never_eat_soggy_waffles
    @never_eat_soggy_waffles 5 месяцев назад +3

    This video really helped me

  • @pawsthefolf8842
    @pawsthefolf8842 5 месяцев назад +2

    I really resonated with the fact that dysphoria doesn’t mean you hate every aspect of your body. As an enby myself, who experiences mild gender dysphoria, I’ve never really had an issue with my facial hair; although it is more masculine-presenting, it is somehow more gender affirming than having no facial hair (I look like a freaking hillbilly clean-shaven and I hate it 😭).

    • @bestboisoupsoup
      @bestboisoupsoup 5 месяцев назад +1

      I detest having facial hair as a NB transfem because... DUH
      But anyone who's fine with it? Rock it to hell babeyy

  • @CCoffnist
    @CCoffnist 5 месяцев назад +2

    The new animation is giving DJ vibes. Jamming fr.

  • @crystalvulpine2314
    @crystalvulpine2314 5 месяцев назад +5

    You're better off than me. Not only am I mtf of mainly German heritage (that's one of the most difficult ones to transition mtf), but I also have zero talent in any area even though I am passionate. I'm smart, but it's not much use because my problem solving is so terrible. I long to have fun but I simply can't and I know I never will be able to. It doesn't help that basically everyone I know is like the top 0.001% talent, including a girl who's so much like me it's scary (but without all my mental illnesses). Honestly, as much as gender dysphoria makes me disappointed to wake up each morning, I think this is even worse. I see you can draw pretty well at least. If you suffer too much from dysphoria, try to lean into that as much as you can. I know escapism is usually frowned upon, but sometimes there's just no other options.
    Plus, in my current situation, and with the political sphere making it look like I'm making a statement I cannot in good conscience make, I can't even transition at all. I maybe still would, if it would work half-decently for me, but there's no way. The changes I could get are probably too minimal for it to be worth it. And the attempts to demedicalize it are really stunting any progress in that realm.
    It's looking like my only choice is to live out my entire life in constant misery and envy.

    • @crystalvulpine2314
      @crystalvulpine2314 5 месяцев назад +1

      Also I apologize for not watching much of the video, I need to stay away from watching what others can do that I'd never dream of. It could mean my life.

    • @xylophone_888
      @xylophone_888 5 месяцев назад +8

      girl (if you're ok with this referral, sorry if ur not), PLEASE don't listen to these thoughts. you don't have to be msеrаble, i promise!!! and you don't have to be talented at literally anything at all to be wrthy of happiness!!! being born with talent is like being born with red hair, yes it's pretty cool but if your hair is brwn that doesn't mean you're wrse in any way; i know this is crny and easier to say than do but please remember, you have a chance, you don't have to be forever in envy, some people trnьsition at 40 and even 50, you're not a lost cause whatsoever, i know im just a stranger on the internet but i promise you're not and i believe in you, bless you and i really genuinely wholeheartedly hope it gets better 🙏

    • @crystalvulpine2314
      @crystalvulpine2314 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@xylophone_888 No. The only things that bring me joy are things I don't have the talent to do. And no, I am simply not transitionable, it's just the way my body is and I cannot change that. I may get a few benefits but it'll always be stuck being mostly male no matter how much HRT goes through.
      I was doomed from the time I was born. Some people just don't have a shot at a happy life. Harsh but true.

    • @EggSandwich-pv9qd
      @EggSandwich-pv9qd 5 месяцев назад

      ​​​​@@crystalvulpine2314 life is a fuck. It's unpredictable as hell. Which is both a bad and good thing. some people are born into shitty circumstances. I mean being alive is in a way a shitty circumstance too. But sometimes shit just happens no matter what circumstance you got. Good or bad. So I'd say its impossible to not have a shot at a happy life. Good shit can happen to you. And by good shit I don't just mean purely things that are "objectively" good shit that happen on the outside, but also just being in a better mood for some reason. Can you choose to be happy? Or choose to have a good life? Idk. kind of. It's complicated. But you have this life, this experience, and you can choose what you do next. You can choose and reflect on how to cope with or make this shitty circumstance better. You can't choose whether what you choose to do will lead to a good outcome or not but you can keep going. Cause fuck
      Also you talked about talent. In my opinion, talent is a lie, sometimes people might have some kind of advantage in something, but that doesn't mean shit if they don't do anything. I see talent as something that people are described as having when over time they've done something so much that they've learned the "hacks" of that certain thing. Over time when you're doing something like drawing or playing an instrument you understand the medium you're using and how to use it to express what you want. Talent isn't something that someone has or doesn't have it's something they've learned. I remember watching this one video talking about this one manga called Blue Period and talent, when I looked it up though I realized there's multiple videos talking about the same thing, so if you want you can watch one of those
      I'm sorry for making this so long

    • @crystalvulpine2314
      @crystalvulpine2314 5 месяцев назад

      @@EggSandwich-pv9qd The one thing you have absolutely no hope of improving on is genetics. Which is the source of nearly all my problems.
      Talent is definitely real. Eventually, you will hit a ceiling where you can't grow any further. Yet beginners will be WAY ahead of that on their very first try. I have a lot of experience with several things, yet my friends who just started 2 seconds ago already blow me out of the water every time.

  • @apessimist903
    @apessimist903 5 месяцев назад +5

    being transmed in 2024 is crazy.

    • @godlesssnowshoe
      @godlesssnowshoe  5 месяцев назад +9

      would you like an award for the non argument? people who disagree with you will in fact always exist.

    • @apessimist903
      @apessimist903 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@godlesssnowshoe believing that trans people have to medically transition is just outright bigoted as gender identity being different from what you were assigned at birth does not require you to necessarily want to change your outward appearance. Stfu with the “people will always disagree” you’re literally a trans furry you should know this stuff.

    • @godlesssnowshoe
      @godlesssnowshoe  5 месяцев назад +10

      so you didnt watch the video okay LOL
      i literally say in the INTRO transmedicalism does not mean you believe people have to medically transition nor is that the thing i am arguing for in the video.

    • @apessimist903
      @apessimist903 5 месяцев назад

      @@godlesssnowshoe i dont care to listen to the opinions of people who identify as transmed, bigots dont deserve to have their opinion heard.

    • @godlesssnowshoe
      @godlesssnowshoe  5 месяцев назад +13

      @@apessimist903 its just pretty hilarious you came on here attacking me for something i explicitly stated i dont believe within the 1st minutes of the video LOL- hows the echochamber feel? is it cozy with all the misinformation and group think?
      youre not a superior person for being intentionally ignorant of people with differing veiws, it just means youre scared of having your ideas criticized :) i watch plenty of content from people with your veiws cus it helps me understand them better! and there are plenty of non-transmeds who watch my videos for that same reason! intentional ignorance and edhochambers are a sign of weak beliefs, not moral superiority!
      yk thats a thing cults do right? on the BITE model? separate things into "good and bad information" and fear monger anything that falls outside the group? pretty evident youre not far off considering you dont even actually know what transmedicalism IS!

  • @Amy-J
    @Amy-J 5 месяцев назад +2

    I was a bit wary but I think you made your case well and I’m curious as to where you or other commenters would think I’d sit as I’m still figuring things out (apologies, I’m taking this bit on to say it’s quite long).
    I kinda put off everything related to my identity (both gender, orientation and just overall personality) until much later in life, like around 18. It didn’t (seem to) matter because it all sounded like a headache where you just get hurt, even if you’re cishet. In the meantime so much of what I allowed for myself to be enjoy or be happy with depended on how I’d appear to others as AMAB. I didn’t like my body hair or deepening voice but tried to use it as a flex against other guys. I hid away my chest because I kinda had a… ahem, chest, and my worry came from it being another point of ridicule, that it wouldn’t be accepted by others.
    All this to really say that there was at least *some* discomfort there but it wasn’t something I can say in good faith that I always felt, and if I did, I buried it under denial and black clothing. Although handsome felt like an insult because it felt totally untrue unless I could ‘act’ through it like a role. And even now, some days I won’t be phased if I have to go out in boymode and people call me a guy or he/him, but maybe that’s because I’m so used to tone-switching or masking, one of the two.
    I truly believe I am not cis, but the degree to which I am trans always varies? I can’t necessarily shift how I socialise with others (I prefer hanging out with guys, acting kinda like one and talking like one as long as I’m one of the softest there) but I *really* like to look beautiful no matter if my clothes are more masculine, feminine or androgynous. The dysphoria comes and goes but it only really seemed to get amplified once I felt euphoria. I don’t feel dysphoric everywhere but my feet, body hair, neck, long face and hands (when strained) feel mismatched. Sometimes I’ll get this wave passing through me where me, my bones, are feeling the alien flesh around it shifting. Sometimes I will do my makeup and feel like I can see myself… attached to a body that I can control but isn’t mine.
    I can’t deny these feelings, in fact I’ve become really good at articulating them, but I also can’t tell what any of this all means, especially because these feelings aren’t always present. I’m never happy looking like a guy, but it’s not necessarily self hatred. It’s just… a disconnect that comes and goes. I feel like I’m in a sort of limbo, accepting myself with pride and joy one day and then one doubt will cause me to mentally back out and question all over again.
    I don’t know. I don’t think I’d even would’ve been in the transmedicalist camp at any point (and I won’t use that as a mandate others must abide under) but the fact I’m experiencing *some things* I’m able to point at surely reflects something deeper about me than just being a femboy. I don’t want to get my transition wrong, but I’m also not certain if I’m right either. Maybe I’m genderfluid, or non-binary, or Trans, or a delusional femboy, I don’t really know anymore, I just can’t go back because I feel more fake and buried doing so.
    Edit cause more: My birthname is a lot softer than most AMAB names. This is something I tried to fight against (at one point making a very masc persona) but I eventually accepted that it’s far more in-line with the sensitive person I am. Meanwhile, my chosen name of Amy feels like it can mean anything I want it to mean, it can be everything I am no matter how I feel. It’s also perhaps why I feel euphoria being socially seen as female with she/her pronouns. Maybe that makes me a tomboy? But not all of the time? Idk.

  • @Lynxez
    @Lynxez 5 месяцев назад +1

    i'm not a transmed, and i don't really agree with that side of things, but honestly i found this video to be very interesting commentary and eye-opening. and, i love your art! definitely subscribing

  • @dinosaysrawr
    @dinosaysrawr 5 месяцев назад +1

    I feel like a great deal could be gained from a big ol' dialogue jamboree between people with gender dysphoria, people with body dysmorphia, people with assorted psychiatric diagnoses/neurodivergent folk, and people with physical disabilities and chronic conditions. Incongruence does not have to equal self-hatred, and neither does dissatisfaction! I'd argue that people can love their bodies as miraculous organic machines while still desiring upgrades and improvements; that they can come to a place of acceptance about their bodies while recognizing that their bodies are not exactly as they'd like or prefer; and/or, that they can even be dissatisfied with the current state of their body without hating *themselves!* I also certainly believe that a person can be fundamentally at peace with their body, but dissatisfied with how their body is perceived, received, or treated by others or the society at large. Self-concept is complicated! Bottom line, though, feeling a disconnect between your self-concept and your current experience doesn't have to translate into self-hatred.

  • @stinkykitty22
    @stinkykitty22 5 месяцев назад +1

    Honestly, I recently come to terms with my beliefs and no longer consider myself a transmed (since I’ve discussed the topic with medical professional that dysphoria does require discomfort) Personally, I don’t believe that dysphoria is required to be trans, but a lack of euphoria. For example, you can be ok with the colour of your walls, you don’t dislike it, but you don’t really love it either, you’re completely apathetic, and much rather have a different colour for your wall, same applies to gender.

  • @Jemalite
    @Jemalite 5 месяцев назад +10

    hey! genuine question, if trans medicalism states that you need a diagnosis of gender dysphoria to be trans do you believe that this needs to be confirmed between the individual and their therapist? or do you think its valid if someone looks back at their life experiences and goes "yeah I think I have gender dysphoria and that im trans"

    • @Silly-The-Third
      @Silly-The-Third 5 месяцев назад +11

      Ik I'm not Snowshoe but as someone whos a transmedicalist I'll give my take. First and foremost though? I will state that this belief will CHANGE depending on who you ask, even if they're all transmed. Transmeds tend to be more anti- self dx, but not all are, and not all are to the same degree. The only thing all transmeds agree on is that being trans is biological, not some social construct, and that you need dysphoria to be trans.
      In my personal opinion, I don't mind people self diagnosing gender dysphoria, since it's not a disorder that involves psychosis and also.. if said person actually has GD, and self diagnosis is literally their only option, the bit of relief from socially transitioning and treating yourself more like the gender you actually are, and not the one you were assigned, might be enough to prevent them from either hurting themselves, or developing very poor mental health, until they're given the option to see a specialist and go from there. I recgonize that theres definitely people out there who are self dxing with GD and don't actually have it, but I think when it comes to GD specifically the positives outweigh the negatives. That's just my opinion though, and my opinion of self diagnosis changes a lot depending on what disorder is being self diagnosed (Usually, more often than not im not the biggest fan of it.)

    • @crystalvulpine2314
      @crystalvulpine2314 5 месяцев назад +3

      I don't think it matters right now since the establishment is firmly on the "always affirm no matter what" side. But anyway, I think you need to be really careful, because a lot of people end up realizing they were really suffering from other things: internalized sexism and gender roles, bad experiences with people of one sex, trendiness, wanting to join the community because they feel lonely, adults pressuring kids to be trans to score woke points, fetishes, there's all sorts of reasons that can easily be confused with dysphoria, especially by people who don't have it and cannot understand it. I have to be honest, most of the "trans" people I come across just want to dress differently than their gender's current style. I'm not against that at all, but it is incorrect to think that's the same thing, and a distinction has to be made for both of our sakes. Unfortunately, no one can do that without being labeled a bigot.

    • @Jemalite
      @Jemalite 5 месяцев назад +6

      @@crystalvulpine2314 I agree for the most part though I do believe that adults pressuring kids to be trans for woke points is still the minority and we should take kids feeling like the opposite gender seriously (not in a sense they should have surgery or very young children having hormones, im very against that obviously) but I definitely have sympathy for people who thought they were trans but were dealing with external factors that made them confused even if I dont like how a lot of detrans people go down the alt right pathway thinking that because they arent trans, other people aren't.

    • @godlesssnowshoe
      @godlesssnowshoe  5 месяцев назад +10

      im pretty anti-self diagnosis but i feel like dysphoria is different because unlike pretty much any other MH condition its directly tied to identity and presentation in a way thats not inherently dysfunctional. other disorders obviously affect identity like BPD, NPD, DID, etc but theyre purely negative and harmful in the way they do so, where as dysphoria is a negative experience but the way it impacts your identity is not.
      i do think itd be much better of we required a GD dx before starting hrt but that being said with the current cost of healthcare i do understand the need for informed consent programs like Folx.
      while idealisticly i think itd be a much safer bet to have EVERYONE require a GD dx (which is required if you go through endocrinology instead of a private company) i dont think thats realistically going to help anyone atm so im not going to advocate for it outside of endocrinology.
      i think most people who have an accurate understanding of what dysphoria is can identify it. thats part of why this video exists, cus many people have an incorrectly narrow view of what dysphoria actually is so they CANT identify it.
      noting what dollette said though, this isnt a universal transmed opinion- some trans meds dont care about diagnostic status at all, just that you feel dysphoria. some people strictly believe you need a dx. transmeds do tend to be more anti-self dx overall but there are also still plenty of people who support it, or who have more middle of the road opinions that self dx is only ok in certain circumstances or for certain conditions

    • @xylophone_888
      @xylophone_888 5 месяцев назад +1

      ​​@@godlesssnowshoe "anti self dx" how to say ur prvlgd without outright saying it 🥱 agree on other points tho, sad you can't see that not everyone lives in a flourishing 1st world c ntry where dx is even an option in the first place, hope you reconsider

  • @AmariaThe
    @AmariaThe 5 месяцев назад +2

    Honestly, I do agree with most of this video, but I've personally seen more harm come out of transmed arguments and talking points than inclusive ones. I think most people can agree, though, that blaming a trans person for the gender dysphoria they feel is shitty and regressive. Also, very stupid.

  • @Jadimatic
    @Jadimatic Месяц назад

    While we've mentioned this on the later video, we think its especially relevant here. Would someone who feels dysphoric about some parts but not others still be valid in your eyes, or do you view them as just a "confused man/woman who doesn't actually know what they want"?

    • @godlesssnowshoe
      @godlesssnowshoe  Месяц назад +1

      i think it depends. if you have dysphoria at all imo you are trans. ofc there are people who mistake body dysmorphia or trauma responses for gender dysphoria but thats not very common nor is it my place (or helpful) to try and sus out who those people are lol.
      imo i would personally say of someone is not dysphoric about a physical bodily characteristic that would make them undeniably seen as their birth sex, ie breasts, facial hair, bulge, w/e, i personally dont think theyre _binary trans._ if youre saying youre a trans man but like having tits and walk around by choice showing cleavage, in all honesty no, i don't think that person is FTM.
      that being said i do think if that person is otherwise dysphoric they could be non-binary. or just in denial about their feelings around their dysphoria,
      despite that while there are some circumstances i personally wouldn't agree peoples actions actually line up with what they claim to identify as, im not going to misgender/ dead name/ what ever disrespect those people. its not going to help anyone come to terms with it, if anything its just rude and they double down.
      thats why i usually talk on my channel in more broad senses i guess. i dont use clips of people as examples and i only have 1 'reaction video" type thing which is arguing against another commentary video, not the creators individual identity. its not productive to pluck out people that i personally raise an eyebrow at & despite this channel being small i still dont want to be responsible for anyone being spammed or harassed,

  • @AnonymousD-f7f
    @AnonymousD-f7f 5 месяцев назад +2

    unrealated but the draiwng is really nice :0

  • @M4N14C4L
    @M4N14C4L 5 месяцев назад +1

    ok bruh even though i sometimes think of wanting to be a girl i swear i'm not trans

  • @cyclicalkaouthia
    @cyclicalkaouthia 5 месяцев назад +1

    I have an alter who controls my body while I tell him what to do so that I don’t have to feel it. When he’s not controlling the body, I have to feel it, and it makes me want to throw up. I feel dirty when I am inside of my body. I’ve been told that this is probably because of my early CSA, but I have a strong desire to be fully treated as male, to be desired as a male rather than to have people attracted to me purely based on a shell that they see.
    “You’re not body-positive enough” but this body isn’t CORRECT for me. It causes me distress, and telling myself how to feel makes me feel WORSE

  • @envyispolitical
    @envyispolitical 5 месяцев назад

    The link to the discord isn't working do you mind posting another?

    • @godlesssnowshoe
      @godlesssnowshoe  5 месяцев назад

      ah damn it always expires even when I tell it not to lol- here u go lol discord.com/invite/pxAQNjYS

    • @envyispolitical
      @envyispolitical 5 месяцев назад

      @@godlesssnowshoe Thank you!!