Unironic Paladins 2 News
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- Опубликовано: 19 янв 2024
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I just want it to not be spaghetti code this time.
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This is one of the reasons I advocate for a full teardown and rebuild from square one, even though I know that would be a huge slap in the face for long-time fans of the game. The team working on the game has been in constant rotation for over 6 years, I imagine they don't even have current contact information for 70% of the people with a development credit on the game, so being able to actually do work on the game without breaking something has got to be essentially impossible at this point.
it will become that within a year of relase because none of the original devs will be left, again
Removing bad content is a big one, a little reset where we can keep what is good and rethink systems/content that hasnt worked
New engine will make Hitboxes, crashes, physics and especially UI and UX much smoother to implement and aid in developement moving forward
Solution: Pay Kana to fix game
Amen. I tried to get into paladins a while ago, but the lack of polish and general jank made it a little hard to love
If they will remove big hitboxes people would not play characters that requires aim😂
Dude this NEEDS to HAPPEN. The engine is getting too old and it has to have the upgrade.
I really hope they do Paladins justice.i gave so much of my time to it and I want to give more, but can't due to the lack luster it's been
Very relevant ! I would say, everything is a bit linked :
- Building a solid code with newer implementations is the base : better hitboxes, better mechanics, etc;
- A pro scene is IMO the second priority, it's really needed;
- The unbalances are creating the meta, (which are quite needed in many online games), but they need to make sure to not kill champions for too long, such as champions that never got playable, like Moji or so;
- Fixing that aim assist for real and all that cross platform thing;
- Removing useless items / cards and similar stuff. However, making sure to treat champions equally customable;
- Keeping a good communication with the playerbase is crucial too;
Working on all of this will surely gather more people, such it could lead also to increasing the number of players in ranked too.
This could improve the entire experience, with more balanced lobbies, lower ranked queues timings, and much more :)
I'll fight you on one point: Prematurely investing in a pro scene has killed *way too many games* and can easily be a huge waste of money if nobody else will pick up the torch but you. Instead, create systems within the game that enable fan-driven competition: Don't go all in on your own tournament scene until you're certain there's an audience for it... you can't force a pro scene into existence through willpower and money alone. Make your game good, make it easy for your fans to build competition for themselves and when the time is right stoke the community you've already got with your own big tournaments.
@@kevingriffith6011paladins already had one
The only thing i want to have a sequel
Is to build the game with new engine
And polish the game and fix the bugs thats all i ask for
What I want
- Have 3 Programmer's Long term to fix the game
- 3 Core Designers
- No more "will look into it" but they'll probably will anyways
honestly, balance team that gers at least solid in the game is huge, also, I think more focus on the "fun" aspekt. Like makoa is a turtle throwing hooks, drogoz is a lizard with a jetpack flying around, evie is a hyper mobile champ that sneezes her ult out. Damba uses a snake and when he reloads he just throws it away. Like, I think damba, evie, koa and drogoz are overall peak champ design in the entire genere. Also, defining bugs as tek (grover for instance)... I'm actually down for it, it's part of the skill expression
They have a chance to start from the beginning and do everything properly. No copy pasted champions with issues filling up the roster, no dodgy skins, no useless cards or talents, making maps with a fresh style. Could be great.
We can only pray...
- Consistent skin catalog (Sure, popular ones get more but please give older heroes more skins.)
- More *gameplay altering* customization.
- Stable game in general.
That's all I want. Paladins has a good mix that really makes me prefer it over OW or a few other online games and that's mainly because of gameplay altering effects.
You can play your main in like, up to three ways. Ash's cards are great! Later character's cards have been less interesting.
Honestly forgot that Paladins is still alive. I played a bit of it before when i could not find any PC that has Overwatch on computer cafes near my Highschool.
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I think they want to understand why we'd want a Paladins 2. Why can't this be achieved in Paladins 1? I don't see why not, just "relaunch" the game like League of Legends and Realm Royale did.
The same reason smite is getting a sequel. Paladins is running on unreal 3. Using an engine that old is causing massive problems with glitches as well as a hard limit to the games graphics.
@@johnark4723 the engine came out 15 years ago. the technology is too old and primitive.
The entire codebase is fucked, not even considering the outdated engine. Outdated engine isn't even that horrible of a problem, look at tf2, but it's neigh impossible to do anything to the code of this game without breaking half of it at this point
I'd also love Paladins official guides for the game, especially by pros/coaches/content creators.
I think they should slowly add back the bad desined champions after they're reworked. I agree with everything you said!
The new hoard item sounds interesting in theory but on partice is simply like having buldozer when theres no need for it in the match.
It litrly will make you worse by having 3 times instead of 4 must have items
Paladins has always had strong core systems design with things like a much improved payload game mode (Siege), Champion drafts and bans, robust and customizable card system and battle item shop, mounts, anti-heal the list goes on and on. The issue with Paladins has always been that it never left beta state. Almost any time the game was in a well balanced state a new progression/monetization or gameplay system would be added and completely change the dynamic/balance or overall stability of the game. The best thing Hirez could do for Paladins 2 is to have a clear vision. Look at what has worked in the past, what players like, what champions are fan favorites and what champions need to be forgotten forever and for God's sake use an engine from this decade. TLDR Add more maeve skins
As one of the best Grover players in Paladins you have no idea how happy it makes me to see someone else playing Grover Off Tank hybrid meta.
As someone who recently returned to paladins, who has played tons of Overwatch and League of Legends. I can safely say that whats currently the biggest ick is the forced anti-heal. All healing gets boarderline thrown out the window once it reaches 50%+ and as a Support Main it simply doesn't feel good to be forced into playing focusing damage halfway through a match. They should give us back the option for anti-heal but also make it so anti-heal can be mitigated with more than just a shield. Comparatively, Anti-Heal in Overwatch is generally referred to as the worst and least fun mechanic to play around, especially at 100% reduced healing, but in that game only a single hero has it. In League of Legends Anti-heal is generally an option that takes up an item-slot. Having a middle-ground of it being available on any character but not at 100% effectiveness and still taking up an item-slot is what made Paladins so enjoyable to me in the first place. Also, early Imani, I yearn for you.
If Paladins 2 is the same but has one change I would want it to be "A non broken game"
i wouldn't go into game balance like cards and talents for an on-going game as a service because that can change no matter what happens
I want Paladins 2. Thanks so much for your amazing video!
Hopefully it happens and its a massive upgrade
good video
What do you think about Passive anti-healing being 75%, same scaling rate. But, you can buy cauterize to increase that 75% antihealing by 5/10/15%.
The total is 90%.
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What would you think of if they took smite's item shop and put it into paladins? Also they need new servers
I want better servers and an upgraded engine and a more polished game overall, more vouce line interactions between champions that's related to lore. Of course more new interesting champion designs and kits
We can't even have a fun ltm for over a year since siege of ascension time.
I wanna believe they wont make a spaggheti base code. But nah they are gonna do it anyway. Literally zero respect for quality.
Why is no one talking about how many devs paladins has compared to other games? Hirez needs to hire more!
It's mostly because the working conditions are really bad and devs keep quitting, honestly, but that's more of a Hirez problem overall than a Paladins or EvilMojo problem
They literally only have 40 people working one the game and smite has like over 100
Which is funny because they were literally hiring 2 years ago. There was an advertisement in the game itself about it.
One thing that you didn't mention is making it possible to 5 stack ranked (if this has already been implemented then forgive my outdated info). I remember putting SO many hours into Paladins and having a 5 man team that I enjoyed playing with. I stopped playing Paladins because we started to hit diamond rank and could no longer play with each other in an easy competitive fashion. I get that it is more fair to solo players, but this is a TEAM based game. Solo players should just play how they enjoy the game most and find a team if they want to win at all costs.
Like the idea and glad they're not abandoning the game yet and communicating with players, but why cant the changes be done in just paladins? Could it be the engine or that the game is such a unfixable state that starting over to make it better is the best way to go?
best thing they could do is go back to when paladins was in beta as that was when it was in its best form.
What i want to see is a working game code, universal nerf of items, mass reduction of CC and GOD DAMN BUG FIXES
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As long as I don't lose what I paid for, I don't really care what happens.
I think it would be funny if it's just the same Paladins with a 2 at the end
Cauterize is base kit fam. They also just reworked items. They do hero reworks and talents every update which constantly changed the meta
Cauterize got changed. It used to be a store item. It was much better as a store item is why he is making the point but it became the only first option for most DPS.
@@-itzsimplegaming-970 having an auto buy meta item is not fun. There was literally no reason not to buy caut. Trust me I’ve actually played the game and having it changed to a base mechanic is new and fun.
@@-itzsimplegaming-970 Removing caut from the item store was the best decision the paladins team made. Not only it was extremely snowbally, but also was the only viable first option for most dps and tanks in the game.
@@wojciechszatko no that's definitely not the case. If your a newer player which I'm guessing you are you would think that way but for nearly all of the older more experienced players that cauterize change was absolutely one of the worse things they ever did. The game was already dyeing at that point and this changed killed it for alot of people. Having cauterize base kit made the double support meta better which Is something that people wanted to go away. Their are more reasons but when he is talking about removing content that is one of them.
@@evilpat9849 hehe you have no idea who your talking to when it comes to playing the game. But believe what you want boss!
It'd be great if they spared ten fucking minutes to enable EAC's linux support.
ex-paladins-to-ow player here but i'd love if this game could bring back its former glory and compete really well with ow in terms of polish, albeit the latter gradually getting buggy more than usual nowadays. just a win for us hero-shooter players really!
Don’t give us hope
wait how is this news?
If Paladins 2 actually start well chances are people are gonna shit on OW2 more
they should move the game from unreal engine 3 to 5 and do some graphic improvement in there own art style that can rival overwatch 2. Paladins graphic artstyle is already good but they can make it better. do you agree?
I like the cartoonish artstyle of paladins. Hopefully if they get to make a paladins 2 they do some improvement to the graphics while keeping the artstyle
What even is "2" for a live-service game, anyway? I used to be pretty confident in it being a literal sequel, starting from square one completely fresh game in a new engine with a new roster of playable characters (As a fighting game player, I've just accepted this as a fact of life for sequels)... but now we're apparently in the age of "just slap a 2 on the end and update the in-game shop and eventually people will accept this as the status quo". If they want to know what I want to see in a Paladins 2, they need to tell me what they mean by that.
Why is your UI like this? It's completely different from mine
There's a setting called "Centred HUD" either in the Gameplay or Controls tab. I'm not sure exactly because I haven't played in years.
@@nitalukder2108 thank you
My experience with paladin’s this past couple years
Pick up the game after 3 months of not playing
Look at the 13 characters they’ve added
Uninstall cause it takes like 12 hours of gameplay to unlock a character
Repeat every couple months
Hear they got rid of cauterize, try it, games actually fun
Don’t play the game for a while
Comeback and look at the 24 characters they’ve added
Oh hey that one is a 1:1 copy of ramattra
See they brought back cauterize but made it free and everyone automatically has it….
Oh….
If they actually make a “Paladins 2” it needs to be an actual sequel. If it’s the same game with updates graphics it’s a remaster (which is what I’d personally prefer). Polish the game in a new engine, optimize the code, and balance out/rework the characters, talents, and abilities to say the least.
lets be real and honest- we won't get a Paladins 2, everyone should sit down and relax
I'm strongly against removing anything from the game
I want makoa in paladins 2
I disagree with people hating tf2. Their community loves their game, but hate the lack of new content and bot protection.
I agree with your overall message. Paladins can have a competitive edge in hero shooter genre if they do it right. I always picked overwatch over paladins because of the art style and lore. If Hi-Rez can improve in those areas, id come back and maybe stay. Hell, they could make a pve story mode. Could you imagine?
I don’t want the release to be like Overwatch 2 or smite 2. I want to keep my skins, and not be fucked bc I decided to spend money to support a game I love. I wouldn’t want 1/5 of the roster to be cut on release, leading to drip fed heroes throughout its time. Being completely honest, I wouldn’t want a paladins 2, I just want them to work and fix the game they already have. I love paladins and there is so much room to improve and it makes me afraid to think they’d gut this game to make a second, live service, copy past, “2” game. I don’t trust it tbh, and it’s not smth I want to see.
Now my bitching aside, if there truly was a paladins 2 what would I want to see frfr 😱? Well like I said, I want to keep the skins I have, I’ve spent money and I want to feel like it wasn’t a waste bc now there’s a second game yk? The champions pass should make a return, and for people who have already purchased it should retain it. I don’t agree with the removal of the champions pass to begin with, however I have the champions pass, which is smth I’d like to keep. I’d want them to be more consistent with content, and not add some many LTM exclusive stuff, like for example, payload is an LTm exclusive mode atm to my knowledge, and that mode is smth I’ve wanted to play but never got to, what’s the reason for making it an LTM in the first place? And all the unfinished maps should be playable again. I remember back in the day they had LTM playlist with maps that were unfinished where you could play them, some of those maps still haven’t released I’m pretty sure and it sucks. I’d love to see this game grow and maybe paladins 2 would be the way to do it, but I really don’t want them to scrap everything the players already have to make a new game of an already live service game.
Anyway thanks for reading, I probably repeated myself a few times or mistyped, but I was just kinda thinking and typing.
That's ultimately the problem with making a sequel to a live service. What you're asking for is completely impossible. You're essentially asking for them to take every. single. piece. of. work. from all the way back in 2018 and rebuild it all from the ground up... or just port the game wholesale into a new engine and try to work out the mountain of bugs that would crop up from doing that. This wouldn't be Paladins 2, this would just be Paladins much in the same way that Overwatch 2 is just Overwatch. You might get a lighting engine update, but new models, better textures, none of that can happen realistically because there is a 6 year long development backlog of content that would all have to get re-made.
A real sequel in my eyes would be back to square one: all new stuff built from the ground up in the new engine by a team that hasn't been in constant rotation for 6 years. Maybe 24 playable characters at launch, boil down the essence of what makes Paladins great into those 24 and then start building again. Maybe add rewards for people like yourself who have invested serious money into the first Paladins game with things like bonus currency that can be spent on skins and characters in the new game... and most importantly DO NOT CLOSE THE SERVERS FOR PALADINS 1, both games can and should exist simultaneously! All that being said, I also understand that my definition of a Paladins 2 would be a huge *huge* slap in the face for everyone who has invested heavily in the first game. This is why I don't like live service models.
The game was dated on release. Its basically a ps2 game running in 2024
What you said totally stands and this game just needs it bcs imo this is the best hero shooter out there if we take it by whats it supposed to be, a hero shooter with multiple gamemodes, unique characters and customatization thats unlike any other (loadouts, talents, skins). The obvious stuff like game code, game engine and better servers font even need mentioning. Ive been seeing ppl defend the devs and i completely agree that they cant make more things for us because of lack of funding however over the last 2 years the game has had such bad balance that i took multiple month brakes because it was unberable to play vs characters like azaan and kasumi (when she had aimbot), balancing is something thats changing of numbere mostly yet they do it so poorly and they do it based on statistichs which often dont tell the full story. Thats why the devs need to be gamers who are high caliber players or have high caliber players in the dev team to tell when something feels good or bad regardless of its statistics.
One thing that i disliked was them remodeling old maps that had little to no hate, instead of giving us new maps that were fan favorites from the test maps that we used to have. In the end the problems this game has cannot be told in a small format and would need a deeper understanding from the most experienced players. Lets all hope they finally open their eyes and realise that this rock they have can be polished into a diamond if they do it corectly
With the balance philosophy that the devs had had for the better part of the past few years I can’t see them making a paladins 2 without them just attempting to make overwatch but worse.
Just a better engine for smother gameplay.
Not having a art designer that only add skins that represents his sexual fetishes is a good start
I just not want see cheaters, legal aimbot, bug abusers and split face on model of some characters. And nerf some abilities like Lian's (and Koga*) penetrating shot, VII's hook range, Strix's invisibility's light speed.
It will become a thing , it needs time , i suspect its already been getting worked on in some form since 2020 .....because the game has been held in a stasis ever since with too much content drought for a studio the size of evil mojo , wouldnt make sense why that happened unless the team was working on something else .....like a UE5 version of the game redone from the ground up , ridden of virtually all the spaghetti code , with more features than ever ...and eventually an esports form like that imagined in smite 2 , could be fully wrong but i rather be optimistic
'Easy to get into' is a stretch with the current state of the game
ok so you want it to be more of a lol copy than a ow one got it
Real answer, make the game run good and fix all of the mem leak issues and most of the bugs. Mainly make it perform good for once.
I honestly think Paladins is already better than OW2, but it's reputation and low playerbase hurts it. Matchmaking is limited by the size of the player base. A Paladins 2 could bring in players who gave up on the game or forgot about it, especially with a new engine. I think balance is already better than what OW has, and it doesn't have any reason to change player counts so hopefully a Paladins 2 can be an improvement on Paladins rather than the mess OW2 experienced.
All that said though, I hope they learn from Blizzard's mistake and leave Paladins 1 available as an unmaintained game for people to play.
2 possible endings: overwatch 2 or team fortress 2
Paladins “2” needs to be an entirely different game, they can’t just do what overwatch did. They need a new game, new resistance, new goals. There’s no point in a “2” if the only changes are just mechanic tweaks or expansions
Make it 6v6 lmao(imjoking). and have the engine of gameplay style with the animation and movement more fluid like overwatch. idek
They should absolutely do this the difference between paladins and overwatch is that paladins has always been a free game and runs like trash. Revamping everything and starting from scratch is the only way to fix it as long as it keeps the main things that make it what it is like itams, talents, cards and ect it will still be enjoyable even if they don't fix the balances. They should also give everyone there skins back in the form of coins value . Because people need to be real your not keeping your skin if a new paladins comes out. And I rather have the game be playable and enjoyable so I can keep playing it forever then having a few skins that I can buy back with less then a weeks worth of money.
Nothing was wrong with the old item shop
FR, they literally spent their small resources and time on something that nobody complained
@@facupovwhile refusing to touch any of the balance problems they caused that players have been complaining about for years at this point
I remember there was a clown on your ow2 stream talking about balance being worse on paladins then ow2 lol....while seething & foaming at the mouth i might add.
Since then the ow2 balance has been nonsense in comparison where mauga runs every game. You have silver and gold tank players who automatically made it to top 500 in ow2 thanks to Mauga!
We wont speak of current paladins because....its a double A Indiebm game on its way out with noob devs.
Overwatch is in the worst state it's ever been in so I wouldn't use them as an example honestly lol
It's been worse honestly
Paladins definitely worse 🥱
While I dont like Ow2 we have to admit its a success, its in the top 20 most played games on PS and Xbox
Paladins is a double A indie game on its way out nooby. You're a fool if you are comparing paladins to overwatch 2 now
Isn't there only 2 *programmers working on the game? 🤭@@cortezjones18
@@facupovtbf the only reason it’s currently alive is because of the simplicity and quality, nothing else is all too interesting or fun to stay in for
Although you cnaznat just make an item cheap and expect people to buy it. Bulldozer for example.
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Paladins is yet perfect
So perfect than ow2 copy all aspect of paladin
Wtf are you talking about paladins isn't a overwatch copy it literally came before overwatch and overwatch stole a lot of characters from paladins and now they are currently stealing passive heal
@@Mob-rw5rr i said than " ow2 copy paladin " im franchement sorry fois M'y english
They just need to focus on fixing the game and champs instead of updating popular heros every update been a support update which is clearly favoritism
Make paladins 2 6v6 and add more CC
Actually it looks interesting, even 3v3 / 6v6 or so. Never thought about this, that's a genius idea !
Balance the game WITHOUT cards, items and talents, first and foremost. That way every champion can be balanced in a way that makes them feel fundamentally balanced, and then get play tested to the point that the partnered players and devs can figure out as many diverse tactics with every champion as possible, while also taking note of each champion's strongest parts of their kits. Next they should add cards back first and power shift from the kit to the cards or vice versa, and/or rework/buff/nerf certain cards, until each champion's kits have the highest amount of viable card combinations as possible. THEN add talents back and buff/nerf/rework them, and THEN add items back. That way you're not locked to specific items, talents and cards to win, but rather the cards, talents and items you select impact how you as an individual play the game (though certain loadouts wouldn't be as viable just by the principle of practicallity, but with the point mentioned above about making as many different optimal card combinations as possible, then there's more room for creativity). Illusion of choice is an awful concept, and the poor balance state of Paladins SCREAMS meta spam.
Another M&K player complaining about aim assists
Remove the community so there’s less angry gamer rage complaining
A better engine and servers. thats 90% of why the game sucks
bring back battle passes and get rid of the event pass shit, waste of money for mid skins.
overwatch 2 dead
Delusional ,everything shows the contrary , even cs2 ,everyone arguing a second paladins will magically make it better except visually are just a bunch of kids putting their fingers in their ears and ignoring the reality
What are you on about a new engine will literally make the game actually playable
@@Mob-rw5rr kid , if you think Paladins isn't playable rn, check out how buggy and exploitable cs2 was at launch ,again changing engines won't magically make every code you enter perfect
No way they are doing an Overwatch 2 rip-off this time! Not a good idea tho ow2 is trash. (Joke btw)