These two are the greatest kata performers of all time. Amazing katas, amazing champions. But, in my opinion, Milon was unique. His impact on the world of karate was unbelievable, he inspired so many athletes (myself included). He was a champion like no other. His katas were breathtaking. His Unsu, a nonpareil...
Michael Milon had technical sharpness and power. Luca Valdesi is fast and his Yokogeri are absolutely amazing, but in my humble opinion as a 2nd kyu (not yet the dizzying heights of black belt), Milon had the edge in that Luca occasionally sacrifices technical sharpness for speed and aesthetic...though obviously he's still pretty incredible!!
Repetition ad nauseum is the key here I think. It is very stressful on the body and can cause a lot of injuries. I guess that's why you don't get too many people competing at world class level into their forties. I was Munster champion in 1992. It's not nearly at a level as high as this but I was only 22. Unsu is a beautiful kata to watch and extremely difficult to get right in performance. Gankaku is very graceful and Valdesi gives an amazing performance here. For neutrals it has to be Milon.
I like both of them. They are both extremely good !!! They are both equally good in their own way. This is how hard style traditional forms should be done. Thank you for this video clip. 5 stars !
physically Millon was very powerfull, several months before he died he regulary came to train with us in our dojo, the KCVO, (ranked 2nd in France) and his physic was very impressive compared to his size. that why he was so fast.
I enjoy watching both of them. As a student of martial arts myself, I appreciate their dedication and the level of proficiency they both attained. I have been a student for 3 years. After watching these men perform kata, I realize I am still only a beginner.
Je sais pas vous, mais le fait de connaître ces kata, de les voir éxécutés par eux, même si je sais qu'ils ne vont pas rater un seul mouvement, ça me fout un stress, une tension énorme ! Super excitant à regarder, c'est comme si j'étais dans la foule à chaque fois !
On the basis of the two katas shown here I prefer Milon's Unsu for its power and dynamic movement. I think Valdesi's Gankaku is slightly contrived in its timing, but his skill is unquestionable.
Ne tombez pas dans le travers de comparer deux génies du karaté ! Les deux sont excellents ! Ce sont les juges le jour J qui donnent de façon objective leurs points et puis c’est tout.
5-0 for Milon. Even if there is a gap between those two competitors, Milon is much more powerful and a lot faster. Both are therefore excellent karatekas. Valdesi was able to develop a unique style in the actual circuit which makes him a tremendous world champion.
los dos son muy buenos sin duda!! los dos dedican y dedicaron tiempo para perfeccionar sus movimientos su plasticidad es unica. Que alguien trate de alcanzar ese nivel si, se puede y akio tamashiro y otros mas lo estan logrando. Todos es diciplina. Los dos ganan son leyenda en kata para competencia (oigan bien competencia).
That is very true : yes, only one in over a million forms practitioners can be this good. Personally, I have been to 15 countries. And RUclips wise, plus other media resources elsewhere, you cannot find many like them.
Valdessi muy joven en ese momento, y muy alto, no había alcanzado todavía la madurez física y la potencia necesaria para superar el nivel Milon en aquel momento de la competición en 1996.
I'm Italian and also in great estimator luca Waldenses ... but I have to say that this challenge Michael Milon is a large step above luca .... however beautiful challenge with two great champions ... too bad that Michael Milon died for cocaine overdose in 2008 ... really a huge loss in karate!
Hard choice...°° But it's true that the katas are quite different... However it's obvious that they are both Kata masters, without any doubt. They both have an amazing talent for sure...champions like them are born amongst one in over a million people...
Concernant les katas, je pense qu'on doit faire un distinguo entre un Kata de compétition juste pour des titres,et un Kata qui nous prépare au combat réel.
A classic throw, Strike to the back of the neck(pressure point) with collar grab(haito) with the kick(leg hook or pendulum swing) and then the body turn. Defence is, Standing on one leg is a "half-Guard" and then the yaku zuki is a reversal to that throw. If you want to talk about sport karate, then, yes it is an attack to a forehead or an eye poke.
Wow! Wouldn't it have been great to see these 2 actually compete against each other! Using specifically these 2 katas, milon might win by a close call, maye 3-2. however, if you compared milon's unsu to valdesi's unsu, valdesi would win hands down in my opinion.
I think you all miss the point, of the perfection that has gone in to these kata. Regardless of mental mastery, spiritual mastery, or one style versus another style.
both are fantastic kata masters - both kata's are also technicaly advanced kata's. From what I have seen the French and Italians are exceptional in Karate. I will say however I favour Unsu as a kata over Gankaku (in terms of performance)
They are both my role models, but if Milon Performded this Unsu today against Valdesis Gankaku, there is no doubt in my heart that Valdesi would win.. The standards have changed and so did the criteria for judging.
Both impressed me (- though not as smooth as the Japanese). Valdesi's choice is braver, but kicks too high? Milon has to get my vote for the jump, tres bien!!
Un-stinking-believable. Gotta give it to Ao -- the Unsu made me shiver. They both have hand speed that makes me weep. Curious, though, the first kata is what we call Chinto (Shorin-ryu Matsumura). Is it called Gankaku in Shito-ryu or Shotokan? Yeah, too lazy to Google it.
Yes, they are both amazing, but I would have to say Gankaku would have my flag with these performances, but I'm sure a different result can just as well happen on a different day.
Milon's kata is characterized more as being athletic, with Valdesi's being more technical. Both extremely impressive, however, my vote goes to aka- Valdesi. His lines are much cleaner, defined, and polished.
I think Valdesi is amazing for his balance. And Milon does not turn his back foot into the forward stance and reverse punch in the 3rd punch of Unsu. However, Milon shows more speed, snap, strength, athleticism, and showmanship than Valdesi. Valdesi lags is in dramatic effect and "pop." Milon is much more interesting to watch.
Luca Valdesi: Shows more control, precision, and on the few fast techniques he does - demonstrates mastery. Michael Milon: Impressive kata, I've seen better. To compete, he just wasn't quite crisp enough. Extremely impressive height on his jump. Overall, it lacked that "oomph" to win my heart. I give this to Luca.
I think gankaku is more difficult, because longer, with balance positions on one leg, harder to keep a dynamic rythm between slow and fast stages. Unsu is a more explosive work, shorter, more spectacular to see.
These two guys are the greatest karate-ka of all time in the kata section. While I respect Valdesi a lot, there's really no comparison between them, as Milon wins by miles. Milon's power, speed and kime are unparalleled. Valdesi cheats quite a lot when it comes to technique. Milon did that too, but was not as obvious. Also, Valdesi's kime, as impressive as it is, is not entirely real, as he slaps his kimono to produce the kime effect.
i think Michael Milon's Unsu is freaking ridiculous... two thousand votes for the most powerful Unsu i've ever seen. my monitor breaks every time i watch him. had to type this blind.
I know all this story about the "evolution" of Karate but I'm not sure how far should it get. I vote for Milon because his movements are more logical. Valdesi can control more his body but his kicks are just TOO fake... no one needs to kick anything above his head and Gankaku it's with Yoko Geri Keage so, doing it with Kekomi it's a "show off". Milon does the necessary and right and with an amazing speed, but controlled as well. I've been training for 12 years :)
We will never know the true story of his life. But one thing is obvious, he hasn't been tested positive on any drug controls. I've read so much things about this part of his life that I can't get a close call on it.
Valdessi. As impressive as Milon's '96 performance of Unsu was, and it was a world-champion level demonstration, it did not have the nuance or demanding skill required of and demonstrated by Valessi's Gakanku in '08. The crane stance to full spilt side kicks were impressive and obviously so, but the 270 degree spin he did ay 2:09 in crane stance before the last side kick is, in my opinion, beyond the technical ability of of 90% of performers.
Bom, tem quem julgue o Milon por ele ter sido usuario de drogas... Mas tem muitos por aí que todos consideram um bom exemplo, mas na sua vida pessoal faz coisas nada respeitosas. Pra mim Milon é o melhor, independente se usava drogas ou não, ele só prejudicou a ele mesmo, o que é uma grande pena.
I hate tournament cut gis! LOL! That flap on those sobs are big enough to make a whole other gi! If it were not for the roomy pants, I'd were traditional cut all the time. But traditional always binds to my leg when I kick.
luca wins! ..milon just chose the more fancy (looking) kata so noobs will say milon did better.. luca performed a more difficult kata with more attention to technique the way it is supposed to be performed rather then just sacrifice technique for speed like milon but it is a close call id give luca a 9/10 and milon an 8/10
Milon overall performance oddly he usally shorts his moves when i see his kata which i have seen a fewbut in this clip he was on point, luca had a solid performance and picture perfect move but he shortend his moves and that takes away from the kata eben doe it makes him almost unhumanly fast. usss
Then both should be compared performing the same kata, they both met at the finals in Munich 2000 and Valdesi got the 3rd place. Plus, it is not right that Gankaku is harder than Unsu.
io fino ad ora non conoscevo milon, pure perchè nel karatè italiano ci fanno due maroni cosi loro e maurino, valdesi, ecc ... poi c'è sempre stata la regola che le loro forme si dovevano prendere da esempio ( nell'arbitraggio, quando c'era cesare baldini ) quindi erano impeccabili anche quando c'erano personaggi migliori di loro... questo rientra nella politica... cmq vedendo sto tizio io dico che è più bravo milon, a prescindere dalla forma che portano, sono cmq 2 cinture nere...
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These two are the greatest kata performers of all time. Amazing katas, amazing champions. But, in my opinion, Milon was unique. His impact on the world of karate was unbelievable, he inspired so many athletes (myself included). He was a champion like no other. His katas were breathtaking. His Unsu, a nonpareil...
В России с него началось wkf с Вальдеси ❤ я имею ввиду на него начали ровняться
Michael Milon had technical sharpness and power. Luca Valdesi is fast and his Yokogeri are absolutely amazing, but in my humble opinion as a 2nd kyu (not yet the dizzying heights of black belt), Milon had the edge in that Luca occasionally sacrifices technical sharpness for speed and aesthetic...though obviously he's still pretty incredible!!
What a show of humility, you can see Milon giving Valdesi an applause after he performed such a true sport.
Michael Milon...The Best by far!!! Oss!!!
Repetition ad nauseum is the key here I think. It is very stressful on the body and can cause a lot of injuries. I guess that's why you don't get too many people competing at world class level into their forties. I was Munster champion in 1992. It's not nearly at a level as high as this but I was only 22.
Unsu is a beautiful kata to watch and extremely difficult to get right in performance. Gankaku is very graceful and Valdesi gives an amazing performance here. For neutrals it has to be Milon.
I like both of them. They are both extremely good !!! They are both equally good in their own way. This is how hard style traditional forms should be done.
Thank you for this video clip. 5 stars !
this control from milon, unbeliveable!!! king!!!
physically Millon was very powerfull, several months before he died he regulary came to train with us in our dojo, the KCVO, (ranked 2nd in France) and his physic was very impressive compared to his size. that why he was so fast.
Milon avait 10 ans d'avance, son unsu est un modèle du genre et il est bien supérieur à Valdesi
I enjoy watching both of them. As a student of martial arts myself, I appreciate their dedication and the level of proficiency they both attained. I have been a student for 3 years. After watching these men perform kata, I realize I am still only a beginner.
Do you still practice karate?
valdesi is not a human , he is a legend
Je sais pas vous, mais le fait de connaître ces kata, de les voir éxécutés par eux, même si je sais qu'ils ne vont pas rater un seul mouvement, ça me fout un stress, une tension énorme ! Super excitant à regarder, c'est comme si j'étais dans la foule à chaque fois !
On the basis of the two katas shown here I prefer Milon's Unsu for its power and dynamic movement. I think Valdesi's Gankaku is slightly contrived in its timing, but his skill is unquestionable.
OMGSH! Who cares who is better!? They are both AMAZING at what they do and deserve equal respect!
Ne tombez pas dans le travers de comparer deux génies du karaté ! Les deux sont excellents ! Ce sont les juges le jour J qui donnent de façon objective leurs points et puis c’est tout.
5-0 for Milon. Even if there is a gap between those two competitors, Milon is much more powerful and a lot faster. Both are therefore excellent karatekas. Valdesi was able to develop a unique style in the actual circuit which makes him a tremendous world champion.
one of the best unsu performances ever...r.i.p m.milon
two amazing!!!!
they both are amazing :)
los dos son muy buenos sin duda!! los dos dedican y dedicaron tiempo para perfeccionar sus movimientos su plasticidad es unica. Que alguien trate de alcanzar ese nivel si, se puede y akio tamashiro y otros mas lo estan logrando. Todos es diciplina. Los dos ganan son leyenda en kata para competencia (oigan bien competencia).
Je n'irais pas achaler ces gars-là!
Quelle discipline impressionnante!!
I liked Milon's Unsu because of his stances and over all flow. Luca had a great kata also but Milon has that edge in Unsu that remids me of Yahara
That is very true : yes, only one in over a million forms practitioners can be this good. Personally, I have been to 15 countries.
And RUclips wise, plus other media resources elsewhere, you cannot find many like them.
Valdessi muy joven en ese momento, y muy alto, no había alcanzado todavía la madurez física y la potencia necesaria para superar el nivel Milon en aquel momento de la competición en 1996.
Admiro mt o Valdeci, mas o Milon foi foda nesse kata, tirei meu chapéu infinitamente
I'm Italian and also in great estimator luca Waldenses ... but I have to say that this challenge Michael Milon is a large step above luca .... however beautiful challenge with two great champions ... too bad that Michael Milon died for cocaine overdose in 2008 ... really a huge loss in karate!
both are great!!
Hard choice...°° But it's true that the katas are quite different...
However it's obvious that they are both Kata masters, without any doubt. They both have an amazing talent for sure...champions like them are born amongst one in over a million people...
Concernant les katas, je pense qu'on doit faire un distinguo entre un Kata de compétition juste pour des titres,et un Kata qui nous prépare au combat réel.
A classic throw, Strike to the back of the neck(pressure point) with collar grab(haito) with the kick(leg hook or pendulum swing) and then the body turn. Defence is, Standing on one leg is a "half-Guard" and then the yaku zuki is a reversal to that throw.
If you want to talk about sport karate, then, yes it is an attack to a forehead or an eye poke.
michael milon is the best kata performer!!!!!!!
impressionante... potresti stare li con le squadre solo per vedere ke le sue posizioni sono perfette in tutto e per tutto,,,, grande luca!!!!
Wow! Wouldn't it have been great to see these 2 actually compete against each other!
Using specifically these 2 katas, milon might win by a close call, maye 3-2. however, if you compared milon's unsu to valdesi's unsu, valdesi would win hands down in my opinion.
I'm with you !!!
I think you all miss the point, of the perfection that has gone in to these kata. Regardless of mental mastery, spiritual mastery, or one style versus another style.
@movinmeat yea it's called gankaku in shotokan :)
As much as I love Luca Micheal wins this dual!!
both are fantastic kata masters - both kata's are also technicaly advanced kata's. From what I have seen the French and Italians are exceptional in Karate. I will say however I favour Unsu as a kata over Gankaku (in terms of performance)
They are both my role models, but if Milon Performded this Unsu today against Valdesis Gankaku, there is no doubt in my heart that Valdesi would win.. The standards have changed and so did the criteria for judging.
Both impressed me (- though not as smooth as the Japanese). Valdesi's choice is braver, but kicks too high? Milon has to get my vote for the jump, tres bien!!
that jump by Milon was fantastic
but i prefer Luca Valdesi
I used to train karate.... by experience... unsu is a difficult kata.... Milon is obviously my favorite in this case!
He is soooooooo fast!
Milon's jump in Unsu... Omg the height he got was incredible
when valdesi wasn't a senior, he was a europe champion in kumite, when he was 17 years old he started to do kata.
omg he is great !!!!!
It's easy to see both are good, Luca makes it looks better.
una domanda...alla fine chi vinse la sfida secondo i giudici????con quanti voti per ogniuno???grazie attendo una risposta!!!
Un-stinking-believable. Gotta give it to Ao -- the Unsu made me shiver. They both have hand speed that makes me weep.
Curious, though, the first kata is what we call Chinto (Shorin-ryu Matsumura). Is it called Gankaku in Shito-ryu or Shotokan?
Yeah, too lazy to Google it.
That would be Milon. and I hate when people clap at the jump
Yes, they are both amazing, but I would have to say Gankaku would have my flag with these performances, but I'm sure a different result can just as well happen on a different day.
Milon's kata is characterized more as being athletic, with Valdesi's being more technical. Both extremely impressive, however, my vote goes to aka- Valdesi. His lines are much cleaner, defined, and polished.
He told me about it on seminar
I think Valdesi is amazing for his balance. And Milon does not turn his back foot into the forward stance and reverse punch in the 3rd punch of Unsu.
However, Milon shows more speed, snap, strength, athleticism, and showmanship than Valdesi. Valdesi lags is in dramatic effect and "pop." Milon is much more interesting to watch.
Luca Valdesi: Shows more control, precision, and on the few fast techniques he does - demonstrates mastery.
Michael Milon: Impressive kata, I've seen better. To compete, he just wasn't quite crisp enough. Extremely impressive height on his jump. Overall, it lacked that "oomph" to win my heart.
I give this to Luca.
Milon was the best karateka ever until rika usami came,she may be a girl but I think that she is the best...
Valdesi wirkt wie ein Roboter, Milon wie ein Mensch...schade, dass er nicht mehr lebt.
Michael Millon, The Best !
I think gankaku is more difficult, because longer, with balance positions on one leg, harder to keep a dynamic rythm between slow and fast stages.
Unsu is a more explosive work, shorter, more spectacular to see.
Luca
¡No hay color!, en lo deportivo ganaria Milon siempre!
I'm going to have to go for Valdesi..
These two guys are the greatest karate-ka of all time in the kata section. While I respect Valdesi a lot, there's really no comparison between them, as Milon wins by miles. Milon's power, speed and kime are unparalleled. Valdesi cheats quite a lot when it comes to technique. Milon did that too, but was not as obvious. Also, Valdesi's kime, as impressive as it is, is not entirely real, as he slaps his kimono to produce the kime effect.
les deux... meilleur que moi en tout cas
I liked the one with Unsu; Milon
Milon!
素晴らしい！
Agreed, but I guess that's sport karate for you.
chaqu'un personne a eu son style de karate shotokan pour je prefére les deux car se sont les meilleur jusqu'à maintenant
Hard to compare to different Kata, but I've got to give it to Michael Milon.
Luca migliore
waduh ...rek di bohongin ternyata pertandingannya berbeda tempat dan waktunya....weleh...weleh....mudah- mudahan bisa ke Surabaya jawa Timur utk Demo
The question doesn't need an answer, because they already competed against each other and Milon won, Valdesi was always 2nd or 3rd until Milon died!
Valdesi is very good but Millions Unsu is the best ever! :)
id say luca, milon has great power, but luca's finesse and precision takes the flags. 3 to 2 in favor of luca
@tiborzkarate sensei osakas and sensei kanazawas versions were the best, techniques were very smooth
Valdesi all day on this one
i think Michael Milon's Unsu is freaking ridiculous... two thousand votes for the most powerful Unsu i've ever seen. my monitor breaks every time i watch him. had to type this blind.
I know all this story about the "evolution" of Karate but I'm not sure how far should it get. I vote for Milon because his movements are more logical. Valdesi can control more his body but his kicks are just TOO fake... no one needs to kick anything above his head and Gankaku it's with Yoko Geri Keage so, doing it with Kekomi it's a "show off". Milon does the necessary and right and with an amazing speed, but controlled as well. I've been training for 12 years :)
luca valdesi is the best of all.
We will never know the true story of his life. But one thing is obvious, he hasn't been tested positive on any drug controls. I've read so much things about this part of his life that I can't get a close call on it.
Valdessi. As impressive as Milon's '96 performance of Unsu was, and it was a world-champion level demonstration, it did not have the nuance or demanding skill required of and demonstrated by Valessi's Gakanku in '08. The crane stance to full spilt side kicks were impressive and obviously so, but the 270 degree spin he did ay 2:09 in crane stance before the last side kick is, in my opinion, beyond the technical ability of of 90% of performers.
Bom, tem quem julgue o Milon por ele ter sido usuario de drogas... Mas tem muitos por aí que todos consideram um bom exemplo, mas na sua vida pessoal faz coisas nada respeitosas. Pra mim Milon é o melhor, independente se usava drogas ou não, ele só prejudicou a ele mesmo, o que é uma grande pena.
aka...Valdesi...
I hate tournament cut gis! LOL! That flap on those sobs are big enough to make a whole other gi! If it were not for the roomy pants, I'd were traditional cut all the time. But traditional always binds to my leg when I kick.
luca wins! ..milon just chose the more fancy (looking) kata so noobs will say milon did better.. luca performed a more difficult kata with more attention to technique the way it is supposed to be performed rather then just sacrifice technique for speed like milon but it is a close call id give luca a 9/10 and milon an 8/10
VALDESI ! ! !
milon:)
Milon FOREVER!!!!!
@Tommmnmmm well ... try doing the same thing you told me to do using any kata done by Milon ...Valdesi in comparison does not have many errors ..
based on these katas, milon
Milon overall performance oddly he usally shorts his moves when i see his kata which i have seen a fewbut in this clip he was on point, luca had a solid performance and picture perfect move but he shortend his moves and that takes away from the kata eben doe it makes him almost unhumanly fast. usss
Then both should be compared performing the same kata, they both met at the finals in Munich 2000 and Valdesi got the 3rd place.
Plus, it is not right that Gankaku is harder than Unsu.
io fino ad ora non conoscevo milon, pure perchè nel karatè italiano ci fanno due maroni cosi loro e maurino, valdesi, ecc ... poi c'è sempre stata la regola che le loro forme si dovevano prendere da esempio ( nell'arbitraggio, quando c'era cesare baldini ) quindi erano impeccabili anche quando c'erano personaggi migliori di loro... questo rientra nella politica... cmq vedendo sto tizio io dico che è più bravo milon, a prescindere dalla forma che portano, sono cmq 2 cinture nere...
So post a video and show us how it's done big talker.
Valdesi had omission KIAI in end of kata
@liberopensieroberto what do you mean fake?
Milon No-Kachi!
michael milon is the best karateka of all time.
milon por supuesto
ovviamente Luca,ma anche il francese era di un altro pianeta