I had to do this for my neighbors Fiesta one time, and it was a paint in the butt trying to do this job laying under the car by myself. After doing this laying under the car on jack stands, I realized how awesome and convenient belt tensioners were. Springs are just so versatile, and makes a lot of things easier.
In the UK the early Gates kits for replacing these belts came with their special tool. A curved ramp that hooked over the edge of the pully, and worked even better than the spanner method. It also protected the ribbed side of the belt from damage as the last part of the belt slipped on across the groves of the pully.
Yeah the method that I use here doesn't do any damage at all nice and smooth right on so I get that they make tools for it but this is my method and that's all I'm showing
I learned a bunch of "shortcuts", or bad habits from this guy back in the '90s... I watched him change all those 5 V-belts they used to use by cutting them all off and looping each one on one at a time and using the starter to bump the new ones the rest of the way on... took 10 min and he never touched a wrench. hehehe
Not going to lie I have been known to use the same method. I'd never do it on a customer's car but when it comes to my shit .. ehh if something happens it's on me . This is why you never buy a mechanics car 😆
@@miztatone918 Well honestly if I told my customers that it would be faster, and they pay less labor. They would be all for it. They are always just in a rush. They don't want to know anything besides "how much" and "When can I pick it up?"
Same here! With some of the convoluted tensioners some manufacturers had for v-belts in the late '80s/early '90s you could wind up spending too much time screwing with them and easily strip a bolt or bend a bracket... Safer and easier to do it with wooden dowels and a remote starter switch!
@@BukitMan I've been doing this for over 30 years and I still managed to mangle the alternator tensioner bolt on my '84 Mercedes quite recently 🤣 A $50 mistake!
its crazy to me. ive been thinking about making a kid or finding a way to add a tensioner because mine is so frail and can easily explode at any moment
I appreciate you actually showing how it’s done. I almost didn’t get my money back from this dumb gimmicky tool that I bought, and when I saw this video, i got that belt on in no time
It works perfectly, done it myself a fair bit on Ford and VW models. I have seen like a shaped metal ramp that held on the pulley but only once. Never had any issues or damaged a belt doing it this way and I check thoroughly every time. When they first appeared I did know a guy who used to microwave them to soften them 😱 NOT RECOMMENDED
They use these stretch belts on thermal King Reefer’s to drive the AC compressor alternator and the fan shaft. To install you just loosen the alternator right off and then you install belt and tighten it right up against the stop. The advantage I see with these belts they never go out of adjustment and they last a lot longer and human error is removed.
Thanks. Got it on after a couple tries and pushing it back on the pulley under the alternator. Unfortunately I had my kid turning the crank as I got it all the way on the alternator. Left the ratchet and 18mm on the bolt when I started it. Unspun the crank bolt quick. Now at shop getting retimed. Won’t do that again.
I have the rare 20mm socket, and I've used it MORE than any 9mm. But, on the plus side, the 9mm sockets are a nice place-holder (cleanest socket) in the socket tray🤣😎
Zip ties work fantastic too! Zip tie the belt to the crank shaft pulley. Then you have a free hand to hold the belt from slipping off the water pump pulley.
always have to remeber these little tips and tricks they will save you in the long run and make you look like a badass the things ive seen done have both amazed me and helped and i always hold on to tricks like this thats why i like to hang around long time master techs i always learn something new and never cease to amaze
I work in transportation for a school system. The new 6.8 V10 gas burner bluebird school buses have a stretch belt for the air compressor. It is a nightmare.
The vice grips does work for sure but they actually make a tool that's only $13 and it works better than anything I was just showing it cheap method here
They don't have to spend time and money on designing and manufacturing another component. If it cost them one less dollar on each vehicle,and they sell a million cars with that one less component that's a million dollars saved.
Cus car companies are getting cheaper and cheaper while they charge you more and more. And im sure those "stretch" belts cost double what a normal one does.
I am so thankful that the manufacturer I work for has only AWD vehicles. Belts are cake. I did a belt on a early model Equinox a few years ago and I had to take the top motor mount off and jack up the engine to support it, it was also FWD. Did not like that.
I had a car like that an old 98 Bonneville with the 3800 series2. To change the serpentine belt you had to do the same thing . I was like wtf gm 😄 in my case it was actually the passenger side bottom mount so it was inconvenient at best .
@@FordBossMe ohh yeah I agree 👍was just sharing what I know with ya . Saw while reading other comments that your already privi to it haha . I figured as much but you never know .
Yea definitely don’t want it so tight the teeth are digging into the belt. I’m gonna try the 9mm on the next one. Seems like it would be less risky for sure
This is the same thing I do when I'm too lazy to get the tools to back the turnbuckle off my 350's aftermarket serpentine setup. I can't believe the factory now makes people install belts like this, but given how awful some of those tensioners can be, maybe its not a bad idea after all.
I use a small pair of needle nose vice grips and use a piece of the old belt between the new belt and vice grips to prevent any damage. works on Nissan/Renault - Subaru - ford ect it works a treat and Also keeps your hand free to prevent the belt walking off the following pulley
Yeah I really don't have that problem using this method every once in awhile it will slip off but that way I'm not taking vice grips and clamping it to the pulley not something I'm fond of but everybody can do it however they want I'm not doing it that way though I've seen too many technicians gouge pulleys doing it like that
@@FordBossMe yeah if you start gouging pulley's it's way way too tight it literally only has to be a little bit of tension to stop the belt from slipping. As for using the old piece of belt I only do it to increase the surface area across the back of the belt for piece of mind I have done this without the old piece of belt and it hasn't damaged anything but I don't really like chancing anything especially with belts that can be near $100AUD.
@@FordBossMeBy the way, thanks for showing the first attempt where it pops off. It helped me see what you need to keep an eye on and prepped me to have some extra patience.
reminds me of seeing people installing drum brake springs with screwdrivers so they get the leverage to extend it and use the spring to retract it into the hole
Just checked my 2016 Fusion's 1.5. It has a tensioner. Looks like they're using an idler roller under the alternator. Belt appears to be pretty easy to replace.
I'm thanking you right now, dammit ! After not touching one in months, I've been plagued by them. Great tip, too I haven't gotten my investment back on a 9mm anything yet.
Nice trick. I got stuck on one of these and welded up a tool, this would have been a lot easier. Personally I dont like these belts, give me a tensioner any day!
Also the Ford service manual says that you cannot rotate the engine except in one direction or damage to the timing set and valve train can occur 😒....
I have with mixed results. Locking pliers was my go to the first couple stretch belts I put on but I ended up killing a couple belts that way. After that I switched to zip ties. Now I'll go back and forth between this and zip ties.
Hey question. Now being you work for a dealership. Do you charge the Customer the book time or the few minutes it took you using your way? Just curious
Book time we have to go by but im very lenient. If it says its an hour and i know i can do it in a half hour....ill just tell them to charge the half hour and so on and so forth
Yeah I get the people do that but I don't have to run back to my boss grabbed a pair of vice grips put tape around to get it set up I just grabbed a simple 9 mm cheap wrench and go right to the vehicle that's too easy I've seen the vice grips a thousand times when my coworker see me do this he was like damn dude it's badass man
They should have just kept the swing nut and bolt tensioners. So simple. Most of them, if the bolt ever snapped you only needed a new $15 bracket, or worst case drill a bolt out of an alternator housing or AC compressor. Stretch belt is just another senseless struggle. Doesn't really bother me, just kind of inconvenienced if you have to do it on the side of the road.
Some of them actually were built with them but most of them we're not and I think it's because of the way they designed the front cover it's all plastic
These are the exhaust manifolds that are integrated in the head and it's just a block with no front cover on it so there is nowhere to really Bolt a belt tensioner pulley on this design although on some of the models they relocated some things to put a belt tensioner on which I don't understand why they didn't keep doing that
@@miztatone918 Yeah pretty much the exhaust manifold is nonexistent. Its all in the head. And just a single flange comes out as the downpipe. There are a few different designs but that is the jist of it
For all you that are down on Ford because of this, understand that virtually all car manufacturers do stuff like this. The Boss is just showing you the best way to handle this one fix. The reason is that most consumers want the lowest priced new car possible, and if they don't do this sort of thing the price will be too high and they won't sell. You don't have to dig deep to find worse examples in European cars.
Gates makes a tool that helps install these belts. It mounts on one of the pulleys and guides the belt onto the pulley. Why doesn’t Ford provide this tool? Gates tool #D577,968
I have that tool I have all these tools that people have mentioned on here I'm a Master Tech I have over $40,000 worth of tools this video was how to show you how to do it cheap and fast and effective and that's what I did and I accomplished that For people that don't have money or don't have the tool a simple cheap 9 mm wrench that nobody ever uses can be used for this
This video just showed up on my feed, probably cause I have been watching a bunch of your videos But my work made "The stretchy belt tool" for the powerboost motor And I always wondered what techs would do to put one of these kind of belts on or if they would have to buy a special tool
I tried the magnetic tool to put it on the crank and take it off and I don't like it I can't get it to stay on I don't know if that's the only your company made or not
@@FordBossMe Don't think ours was magnetic. I wasn't part of that project though, just saw it and the manual for it. They had a bunch of plant people in for buy off of it. This was a few years ago and I just wanted to see the prototype engines they also had the other motor with a different powerboost setup but talking to the engineer he said the other one was much more expensive to make so they would probably go with the one they are using now. I only build the balance machines so I see a lot of the future products, current job is the 2023 5.0 crank which is kind of late we usually work with stuff planned farther out
You don't have to cut the zip tie off.....it breaks off as it rotates around I already know the trick... but that will work on all types of these situations because some closed face....you can't use the zip tie trick on all of them because all of them don't have holes to put the zip tie through
Right and I'm tired of going to parts and getting another one and another one and another one a wrench is the best thing that you can do you don't have to throw anything away you don't have to worry about hitting the crankshaft position sensor with your vise grips it's easy to just do it with a wrench it's small and it goes all the way around it fits inside the wheel well that's what I do and it's the easiest by far the best way to do it unless you like using tie straps
@@FordBossMe why so? Exactly how ive done the last 12 1.5T that have come through my shop… (im a expert technician through hyundai and genesis along with ASE 1-12 on my belt)
@@FordBossMe im still curious as to know why not… spoke with my platinum and master tech today and even they said it would be fine to do it… you can run your crank, ac, water pump, and alternator counterclockwise… and thats all they have
Hey man - hoping you'll see this - I'm looking for advice from a legit ford tech. I own a 1996 f-150 - great shape, 100k miles - one of the last of the old body styles. I'm gonna baby this truck and hopefully have it for a while. My question is, is a ford dealer my best bet for maintenance done right on a truck of that age? Are the techs at my local ford dealership still up to day and the ultimate experts on a truck that's 25 years old? It also had a CNG system at one point that complicates it further - I just want to know the best place to go for someone who truly knows how to do things right on it.
You'll be better off finding an experienced (older) independent mechanic. 1996 is at the very beginning of OBD2 and depending if the vehicle was actually made in 1995 it might be OBD1. As this is considered legacy at this point no dealer is required by Ford to instruct tech on OBD1 (Law only requires 10 years of parts and service support by makers). One of the best ways in the modern world to find a good mechanic in your area is to find a online board for that generation of vehicle by enthusiasts of it and ask if any are in the area and if they know of a good mechanic.
If you can find a shop that has experienced older technicians that you're better but independent shops typically do have those guys so that's also a great option but if it's just a bunch of young guys in the shop I would pass on a dealership
If I can get a second set of hands for a minute stretch belts usually go OK. One guy pushes the belt with the butt of a prybar one guy turns the crank. Il try this,nice trick
@@FordBossMe ruclips.net/video/OEI_06b1F_8/видео.html I’ve used this tool before on BMW stretch belts. The belt you’re working with in this video looks pretty similar in design and install.
I don't know why ford dont supply the tool for all stretch belts instead of some. The 2.2 diesel engine belts come with the tool yet the 2.0 diesels dont.
I would think this would be easier with some vise grips and a small piece of rubber instead of that little wrench. That way your hand is free to hold the belt on the smooth pulley.
It's like torque to yield bolts. They use engineering magic (math) to figure out how to give you precisely enough stretch for the job. Stretch it a bit too much on install? Fuck you buy another lol. I found that out the lame way.
in simple terms it is just a big rubber band, over time it will eventually lose its stretch and begin to slip, then you just put a new one on again, simple.
Are you lost? Or are you just trolling commenting on something that you don't even understand this belt is called a stretch belt you stretch it onto the pulleys people that don't have experience with this need to quit commenting on Automotive videos because they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground
No tensioner means they specifically don't want you to fix it yourself for the sole purpose of getting it fixed at the dealership to fatten up bottom line profit. Read online that they use a "special" tool to install the belt haha. Looks like all the big companies think the same, Deere, Apple, etc. Making it harder and harder for the average joe to fix your own shit.
actually no, you think the engineers are sitting around the table thinking of ways to make the manufacture more money on service? NO!! the sole purpose of this stretch belt is cost, Its cheaper and quicker to manufacture the engine with no tension-er...its all bout maximum profit and less time,. as long as the parts survive the warranty period there job is done as it turns into Customer pay and not manufacture pay. Yes i work at a dealership.
@@n2vxc Usually by the time things break it’s on the second owner anyway. With the inflated value of late model used vehicles it makes sense to buy new and dump after 4 years. Let the second owner deal with all of these headaches.
I found the easiest way was to try and wrap the belt in one fluid motion, as stopping mid-way lets it slip. I'm not trying to tell you how to do your job i promise, just my 2 cents is all :)
The 9 mm wrench is the safest best bet to do it this way if it doesn't have a slot through it for you can put a zip tie on it and then cut the zip tie off the 9 millimeter wrenches the fastest way to do it and the safest way
I would not reccomd this way. The alternator was designed to swivel down. You simply take the two bolts off the alternator, loosen the bottom bolt and the alternator swivels down. Took 1 minute to remove the belt and 5 minutes to install. Youll need a crow bar or strap to alignment the alternator back up. INSTALL the top right bolt first
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That's no way to treat a belt , stretching it beyond it's limitations breaks the cords inside bad bad idea
Ford uses this belt is called a stretch belt that's how they are put on the engine there's no belt tensioner
Some models had belt tensioners but there's a very big percent that doesn't and this is by far the easiest best way to do it
einstein !!!
@@FordBossMe last time I checked the easiest way to do something has NOTHING to do with the right way to do something
@@scottkinkead6324 calm down cheif, master tech knows what he's doing
I always put stretch belts on with the engine running. It's wayyy faster and gets me out of work for the next month or so 🤪
I had to do this for my neighbors Fiesta one time, and it was a paint in the butt trying to do this job laying under the car by myself. After doing this laying under the car on jack stands, I realized how awesome and convenient belt tensioners were. Springs are just so versatile, and makes a lot of things easier.
Learn something new everyday. Did not know these existed. Will save me time trying to find a tensioner pulley when I run across this someday.
I just tried this trick on a water pump replacement on a 2018 Escape 1.5. YOU DA MAN!!!
It slips sometimes but it does work
In the UK the early Gates kits for replacing these belts came with their special tool. A curved ramp that hooked over the edge of the pully, and worked even better than the spanner method. It also protected the ribbed side of the belt from damage as the last part of the belt slipped on across the groves of the pully.
Yeah the method that I use here doesn't do any damage at all nice and smooth right on so I get that they make tools for it but this is my method and that's all I'm showing
I learned a bunch of "shortcuts", or bad habits from this guy back in the '90s... I watched him change all those 5 V-belts they used to use by cutting them all off and looping each one on one at a time and using the starter to bump the new ones the rest of the way on... took 10 min and he never touched a wrench. hehehe
Not going to lie I have been known to use the same method. I'd never do it on a customer's car but when it comes to my shit .. ehh if something happens it's on me . This is why you never buy a mechanics car 😆
@@miztatone918 Well honestly if I told my customers that it would be faster, and they pay less labor. They would be all for it. They are always just in a rush. They don't want to know anything besides "how much" and "When can I pick it up?"
Same here! With some of the convoluted tensioners some manufacturers had for v-belts in the late '80s/early '90s you could wind up spending too much time screwing with them and easily strip a bolt or bend a bracket... Safer and easier to do it with wooden dowels and a remote starter switch!
@@blueridgerennsport I think it was only really a problem for noobs. And some bad pulley designs.
@@BukitMan I've been doing this for over 30 years and I still managed to mangle the alternator tensioner bolt on my '84 Mercedes quite recently 🤣 A $50 mistake!
somebody at ford said hey ! Lets just eliminate the belt tensioner and make a fortune on belts ! Lol
To be fair the Japanese have been doing it like this for a long time now. Mazda and Subaru are the first two that come to mind.
Gm also uses it on a/c belts
@@bigboreracing356 I don't think the OP really had a point, not unlike your very own pointless existence, er, post.
its crazy to me. ive been thinking about making a kid or finding a way to add a tensioner because mine is so frail and can easily explode at any moment
Dope, I'll try this next time. After bending multiple application specific tools on the gm products I mostly work on, I've been using zip ties.
I have often paid homage to the zip tie Gods... with Frankincense & Muir
Yeah I quit using zip ties when I started using this method
I appreciate you actually showing how it’s done. I almost didn’t get my money back from this dumb gimmicky tool that I bought, and when I saw this video, i got that belt on in no time
It works perfectly, done it myself a fair bit on Ford and VW models. I have seen like a shaped metal ramp that held on the pulley but only once. Never had any issues or damaged a belt doing it this way and I check thoroughly every time. When they first appeared I did know a guy who used to microwave them to soften them 😱 NOT RECOMMENDED
They use these stretch belts on thermal King Reefer’s to drive the AC compressor alternator and the fan shaft. To install you just loosen the alternator right off and then you install belt and tighten it right up against the stop. The advantage I see with these belts they never go out of adjustment and they last a lot longer and human error is removed.
Thay don’t call him the Ford boss for nothing glad I found the channel
Thanks Mark
This blows the zip tie one looks weak. Glad to see this when I encounter a solid faced pulley.
Thanks. Got it on after a couple tries and pushing it back on the pulley under the alternator. Unfortunately I had my kid turning the crank as I got it all the way on the alternator. Left the ratchet and 18mm on the bolt when I started it. Unspun the crank bolt quick. Now at shop getting retimed. Won’t do that again.
The world's first use for a 9mm wrench. Ford SST-9M.
Lmao
I've never used my 9mm wrench
I have the rare 20mm socket, and I've used it MORE than any 9mm. But, on the plus side, the 9mm sockets are a nice place-holder (cleanest socket) in the socket tray🤣😎
You A real Life Saver done to 10 mins 🔥 was struggling before hand
Love this method just saved my ass on this job from having to order the special tool I’d only use one time
Zip ties work fantastic too! Zip tie the belt to the crank shaft pulley. Then you have a free hand to hold the belt from slipping off the water pump pulley.
Open face you most of these DONT have an open face so zip tie wont work
always have to remeber these little tips and tricks they will save you in the long run and make you look like a badass the things ive seen done have both amazed me and helped and i always hold on to tricks like this thats why i like to hang around long time master techs i always learn something new and never cease to amaze
I work in transportation for a school system. The new 6.8 V10 gas burner bluebird school buses have a stretch belt for the air compressor. It is a nightmare.
I used a pair of straight nose vice grips one time and it worked like a charm.
The vice grips does work for sure but they actually make a tool that's only $13 and it works better than anything
I was just showing it cheap method here
Where can I buy the $13 tool.
Had those on the Lincoln MKS years ago. Have a little tool Snap on,, mac or Matco, may have it at advance or O'Reilly. Makes it easy!!!
is there a reason they did this instead of just putting a tensioner on
Thats the million dollar question. What does it even do?
Cost less to make. Tensioners are expensive item, in the eyes of the manufacturer. If they can cut cost they will.
They don't have to spend time and money on designing and manufacturing another component. If it cost them one less dollar on each vehicle,and they sell a million cars with that one less component that's a million dollars saved.
Cus car companies are getting cheaper and cheaper while they charge you more and more. And im sure those "stretch" belts cost double what a normal one does.
Some of them actually do have belt tensioners but there's a huge percent that don't
Thank you! Did it in my first try. Took less than a minute! 💪🏽
Sweet , will use this technique on my 2014 Mustang 3.7 AC belt . Thanks !
I am so thankful that the manufacturer I work for has only AWD vehicles. Belts are cake. I did a belt on a early model Equinox a few years ago and I had to take the top motor mount off and jack up the engine to support it, it was also FWD. Did not like that.
To top it off, it was my first time doing a belt on a FWD vehicle.
I had a car like that an old 98 Bonneville with the 3800 series2. To change the serpentine belt you had to do the same thing . I was like wtf gm 😄 in my case it was actually the passenger side bottom mount so it was inconvenient at best .
I use locking pliers so I can have a hand on the ratchet and the other hand keeping the belt on the water pump. Try it out.
Yup I have used that trick many times . Works well just have to have enough sense not to have the pliers too tight as to not damage the belt .
Worked good here though
@@FordBossMe ohh yeah I agree 👍was just sharing what I know with ya . Saw while reading other comments that your already privi to it haha . I figured as much but you never know .
Yea definitely don’t want it so tight the teeth are digging into the belt. I’m gonna try the 9mm on the next one. Seems like it would be less risky for sure
You're the man. Thank you for your help sir!
This is the same thing I do when I'm too lazy to get the tools to back the turnbuckle off my 350's aftermarket serpentine setup. I can't believe the factory now makes people install belts like this, but given how awful some of those tensioners can be, maybe its not a bad idea after all.
I use a small pair of needle nose vice grips and use a piece of the old belt between the new belt and vice grips to prevent any damage. works on Nissan/Renault - Subaru - ford ect it works a treat and Also keeps your hand free to prevent the belt walking off the following pulley
Yeah I really don't have that problem using this method every once in awhile it will slip off but that way I'm not taking vice grips and clamping it to the pulley not something I'm fond of but everybody can do it however they want I'm not doing it that way though
I've seen too many technicians gouge pulleys doing it like that
@@FordBossMe yeah if you start gouging pulley's it's way way too tight it literally only has to be a little bit of tension to stop the belt from slipping. As for using the old piece of belt I only do it to increase the surface area across the back of the belt for piece of mind I have done this without the old piece of belt and it hasn't damaged anything but I don't really like chancing anything especially with belts that can be near $100AUD.
@@FordBossMeBy the way, thanks for showing the first attempt where it pops off. It helped me see what you need to keep an eye on and prepped me to have some extra patience.
reminds me of seeing people installing drum brake springs with screwdrivers so they get the leverage to extend it and use the spring to retract it into the hole
Right but these are made to do this there's no belt tensioner
Just checked my 2016 Fusion's 1.5. It has a tensioner. Looks like they're using an idler roller under the alternator. Belt appears to be pretty easy to replace.
Yes as I said some of these have tensioners and some of these don't most of them don't
Damn that was pretty good. I'm now subscribed you earned it guy.
Tyvm
I have done something similar on my 1.6 ti-vct focus many times and the belt has done 118,000 miles no ill affect original belt.
So this is the new and easier way, geez. None of my cars have this new stretchy belt, so I have never worked with one.
Wish you did this 6 months ago. It was a nightmare doing a stretch belt on my 2010 Ford Edge with the 3.5 liter V6
I'm thanking you right now, dammit ! After not touching one in months, I've been plagued by them. Great tip, too I haven't gotten my investment back on a 9mm anything yet.
ill bet some belt dressing would make it slide over even easier. watch those fingers. very nice job.
Super helpful. Knocked it out easily.
Nice technique with the wrench. Ford cheaped out on a tensioner on some it seems.
Was there no slots to put a zip tie through to hold it. That’s how I always do these. The escape I did today had slots.
Nice trick. I got stuck on one of these and welded up a tool, this would have been a lot easier. Personally I dont like these belts, give me a tensioner any day!
I just bought Lisle 59370 stretch belt remover/installer.Haven’t used it yet. Hoping it works as they show as it frees up a hand once engaged
I pulled a 50 Cent wrench out of my drawer and use it
@@FordBossMe nice trick to have up your sleeve for sure.
Ive done this w it h a small c clamp ..... and it beats the price on how much they want for the special too
My ‘89 Firebird had a deal where you just used a ratchet to loosen the belt tension. Don’t modern vehicles have a similar feature?
Not all. Stretch belts eliminate tensioner pulleys which are prone to failure...
You can also use a zip tie if you have a hole to put it through 👍🏽
Also the Ford service manual says that you cannot rotate the engine except in one direction or damage to the timing set and valve train can occur 😒....
Could you use a small vise grip to obtain the same result? That would free up the one hand to make it a little easier
I have with mixed results. Locking pliers was my go to the first couple stretch belts I put on but I ended up killing a couple belts that way. After that I switched to zip ties. Now I'll go back and forth between this and zip ties.
Hey question. Now being you work for a dealership. Do you charge the Customer the book time or the few minutes it took you using your way? Just curious
Book time we have to go by but im very lenient. If it says its an hour and i know i can do it in a half hour....ill just tell them to charge the half hour and so on and so forth
@@FordBossMe your a good dude my friend
Thank you sir! Helped me, works better than the tool they supply lol
I wrap tape around the tips of my needle nose vise grips and use that instead of the wrench. It frees up a hand.
Yeah I get the people do that but I don't have to run back to my boss grabbed a pair of vice grips put tape around to get it set up I just grabbed a simple 9 mm cheap wrench and go right to the vehicle that's too easy
I've seen the vice grips a thousand times when my coworker see me do this he was like damn dude it's badass man
I like my method I never had a problem with it don't plan on changing it
They should have just kept the swing nut and bolt tensioners. So simple. Most of them, if the bolt ever snapped you only needed a new $15 bracket, or worst case drill a bolt out of an alternator housing or AC compressor.
Stretch belt is just another senseless struggle. Doesn't really bother me, just kind of inconvenienced if you have to do it on the side of the road.
Some of them actually were built with them but most of them we're not and I think it's because of the way they designed the front cover it's all plastic
These are the exhaust manifolds that are integrated in the head and it's just a block with no front cover on it so there is nowhere to really Bolt a belt tensioner pulley on this design although on some of the models they relocated some things to put a belt tensioner on which I don't understand why they didn't keep doing that
So they forgot to put ears on the block. Fair enough.
@@FordBossMe wait ✋ when you say the manifold is integrated into the head do you mean like the head and manifold are cast as one piece?
@@miztatone918 Yeah pretty much the exhaust manifold is nonexistent. Its all in the head. And just a single flange comes out as the downpipe. There are a few different designs but that is the jist of it
For all you that are down on Ford because of this, understand that virtually all car manufacturers do stuff like this. The Boss is just showing you the best way to handle this one fix.
The reason is that most consumers want the lowest priced new car possible, and if they don't do this sort of thing the price will be too high and they won't sell. You don't have to dig deep to find worse examples in European cars.
Gates makes a tool that helps install these belts. It mounts on one of the pulleys and guides the belt onto the pulley. Why doesn’t Ford provide this tool? Gates tool #D577,968
I have that tool I have all these tools that people have mentioned on here I'm a Master Tech I have over $40,000 worth of tools this video was how to show you how to do it cheap and fast and effective and that's what I did and I accomplished that
For people that don't have money or don't have the tool a simple cheap 9 mm wrench that nobody ever uses can be used for this
@@FordBossMe Sorry, I misunderstood your intent. I've got one from a belt job on my daughter's Mazda. I had no idea of another way to do it.
Finally! Now I know what I can use my 9mm wrench for!
This video just showed up on my feed, probably cause I have been watching a bunch of your videos But my work made "The stretchy belt tool" for the powerboost motor And I always wondered what techs would do to put one of these kind of belts on or if they would have to buy a special tool
I tried the magnetic tool to put it on the crank and take it off and I don't like it I can't get it to stay on I don't know if that's the only your company made or not
@@FordBossMe Don't think ours was magnetic. I wasn't part of that project though, just saw it and the manual for it. They had a bunch of plant people in for buy off of it. This was a few years ago and I just wanted to see the prototype engines they also had the other motor with a different powerboost setup but talking to the engineer he said the other one was much more expensive to make so they would probably go with the one they are using now. I only build the balance machines so I see a lot of the future products, current job is the 2023 5.0 crank which is kind of late we usually work with stuff planned farther out
@@Kurt.24 I know they used to send a tool with the belt when you ordered it but now we don't get them anymore
You can use a pair of zip ties to hold the belt on too, instead of a wrench 🔧 then cut them off after
You don't have to cut the zip tie off.....it breaks off as it rotates around I already know the trick... but that will work on all types of these situations because some closed face....you can't use the zip tie trick on all of them because all of them don't have holes to put the zip tie through
A quanti km va cambiata la cinghia di distribuzione?
A 4 inch flat blade screwdriver ,in my opinion works as well if not better.old school from eay back.
I don't know about that but to each their own
I just bought the tool...Tie Wraps will work too. But you need them heavy duty ones...
Right and I'm tired of going to parts and getting another one and another one and another one a wrench is the best thing that you can do you don't have to throw anything away you don't have to worry about hitting the crankshaft position sensor with your vise grips it's easy to just do it with a wrench it's small and it goes all the way around it fits inside the wheel well that's what I do and it's the easiest by far the best way to do it unless you like using tie straps
If you dont want to fight with the belt coming off the idle pulley turn the crank counterclockwise rather than clockwise
Not a good idea
@@FordBossMe why so? Exactly how ive done the last 12 1.5T that have come through my shop… (im a expert technician through hyundai and genesis along with ASE 1-12 on my belt)
@@FordBossMe im still curious as to know why not… spoke with my platinum and master tech today and even they said it would be fine to do it… you can run your crank, ac, water pump, and alternator counterclockwise… and thats all they have
I see! Same trick I used to use to get a racing tyre bead over the rim on the pushy. 🙂
That's a neat trick, will remember this one. thanks!
Hey man - hoping you'll see this - I'm looking for advice from a legit ford tech. I own a 1996 f-150 - great shape, 100k miles - one of the last of the old body styles. I'm gonna baby this truck and hopefully have it for a while. My question is, is a ford dealer my best bet for maintenance done right on a truck of that age? Are the techs at my local ford dealership still up to day and the ultimate experts on a truck that's 25 years old? It also had a CNG system at one point that complicates it further - I just want to know the best place to go for someone who truly knows how to do things right on it.
You'll be better off finding an experienced (older) independent mechanic. 1996 is at the very beginning of OBD2 and depending if the vehicle was actually made in 1995 it might be OBD1. As this is considered legacy at this point no dealer is required by Ford to instruct tech on OBD1 (Law only requires 10 years of parts and service support by makers).
One of the best ways in the modern world to find a good mechanic in your area is to find a online board for that generation of vehicle by enthusiasts of it and ask if any are in the area and if they know of a good mechanic.
Completely agree,an independent would serve you better. The CNG will require a specialist maybe find out who installed it.
If you can find a shop that has experienced older technicians that you're better but independent shops typically do have those guys so that's also a great option but if it's just a bunch of young guys in the shop I would pass on a dealership
Very clever. Can you do the same thing on a 3.5 eco?
Bigger wrench yes
I use the Blue-Point SBT2KT tool. Not everyone has one but it works for me.
I use two pieces of wood in between my molegrips as soft jaws. The 2.4 duratorq is also a bastard.
If I can get a second set of hands for a minute stretch belts usually go OK. One guy pushes the belt with the butt of a prybar one guy turns the crank.
Il try this,nice trick
Why not just use the cheap small magnetic tool that sticks on the pulley and guides the belt on as you just rotate the crank pulley slowly?
Show me
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I’ve used this tool before on BMW stretch belts. The belt you’re working with in this video looks pretty similar in design and install.
You the best!!! Thank you man!!!
I do the same thing just with flat, small vice grips. Trying to be super duper careful not to hit the crank sensor. 😄
That's why I don't use vise grips and I only use the wrench it's by far the best way to do it the safest way to do it and the easiest way to do it
@@FordBossMe it's A/C season, be doing a lot of compressors. Have to try it your way see how it works for me, thanks dude. 🤟👍
Learning something new every video.
I don't know why ford dont supply the tool for all stretch belts instead of some. The 2.2 diesel engine belts come with the tool yet the 2.0 diesels dont.
Genius! Thank you for sharing!
I would think this would be easier with some vise grips and a small piece of rubber instead of that little wrench. That way your hand is free to hold the belt on the smooth pulley.
Not at all
This is one tool two hands done no tape no vise grips no pudding not necessary clamping on the pulley not necessary a 9 mm rent works perfectly fine
I HATE stretch fit belts. I usually use a zip tie on a pulley with holes and then spin the engine with the starter when possible.
man I usually, tie it down with zip ties to the pulley when possible, or struggle with my hand and a pry bar. I'll give this a try next time.
Should this work in the reverse to remove a belt?
It can
Nice work. Still waiting to hear one of your good hertz rental stories. 👍
Are you the Gerardo that worked with me at Hertz?
@@FordBossMe no I’m not. I am from San Francisco.
Question: How does a "stretchy" belt retain the tension it needs to remain effective?
It's like torque to yield bolts. They use engineering magic (math) to figure out how to give you precisely enough stretch for the job.
Stretch it a bit too much on install? Fuck you buy another lol. I found that out the lame way.
in simple terms it is just a big rubber band, over time it will eventually lose its stretch and begin to slip, then you just put a new one on again, simple.
@@jza61nick lol sounds about right.
@@doug8872 Suppose that makes sense, have to imagine they don't last though.
Bet that nice little tear on the furthest back ridge gonna end up an issue. Use the correct tool for the job is the easiest way.
Are you lost? Or are you just trolling commenting on something that you don't even understand this belt is called a stretch belt you stretch it onto the pulleys people that don't have experience with this need to quit commenting on Automotive videos because they don't know their ass from a hole in the ground
Nice tip!! Can't wait to use it!
9 mm, going to try now. I would like to talk to the engineer that though this was a good idea.
I dont remember but, doesn't 3.5 v6 na for the f150 has stretch belt on for compressor? same method as well?
Yes but youll need a bigger wrench
Lol
Idk where you got all that space from but this is impossible lol. Crank is only halfway visible. Never touching a ford again.
My respect for this man he try and try after he win
Neatest belt change I've seen was with the engine running.
Yikes
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I hate them Fricken belts. It wouldn’t work on that one but I usually use a Cable tie. The instillation too never works for me
I don't even use the zip tie anymore I just use this because there's no reason for me to
This is the 1.5l eco boost that comes in Ford fusions?
Yes
No tensioner means they specifically don't want you to fix it yourself for the sole purpose of getting it fixed at the dealership to fatten up bottom line profit. Read online that they use a "special" tool to install the belt haha. Looks like all the big companies think the same, Deere, Apple, etc. Making it harder and harder for the average joe to fix your own shit.
actually no, you think the engineers are sitting around the table thinking of ways to make the manufacture more money on service? NO!! the sole purpose of this stretch belt is cost, Its cheaper and quicker to manufacture the engine with no tension-er...its all bout maximum profit and less time,. as long as the parts survive the warranty period there job is done as it turns into Customer pay and not manufacture pay. Yes i work at a dealership.
@@n2vxc Usually by the time things break it’s on the second owner anyway. With the inflated value of late model used vehicles it makes sense to buy new and dump after 4 years. Let the second owner deal with all of these headaches.
And this gentleman is why I pay someone to work on my vehicles beyond the basic maintenance I do myself.
I usually hold the belt to the pulley with a brake line clamp.
Right but this is easier you don't have to use a clamp
Chuck Norris puts the belt on with his bare hands. He pulls it out a bit and just slaps it on there, of course with little to no effort.
I found the easiest way was to try and wrap the belt in one fluid motion, as stopping mid-way lets it slip. I'm not trying to tell you how to do your job i promise, just my 2 cents is all :)
Why not use a small pair of vise grips
Ya I use needle nose vice grips with the ends taped.
Vise grips could mar the belt and/or pulley.
@@michaelchan8915 that's why the previous guy said he put tape on the ends
The 9 mm wrench is the safest best bet to do it this way if it doesn't have a slot through it for you can put a zip tie on it and then cut the zip tie off the 9 millimeter wrenches the fastest way to do it and the safest way
This way you're not having to tape up vise grips or not having to do any that just grab a 9 mm wrench and walk right to the vehicle fastest way by far
I sprayed it with a little bit of brakekleen when on like butter
I would not reccomd this way. The alternator was designed to swivel down. You simply take the two bolts off the alternator, loosen the bottom bolt and the alternator swivels down. Took 1 minute to remove the belt and 5 minutes to install. Youll need a crow bar or strap to alignment the alternator back up. INSTALL the top right bolt first
Are you ready for me to embarrass you
@@FordBossMe You can try but Ill do what takes 10 minutes vs 4 hours.
You can lossen the belt tensioner sothat you can easily install the T belt.
doesn't have a belt tensioner
Oh Ford and their infinite wisdom!!