Yo chill there's cheaper kites out there and plenty second hand. Ya is pricey but it's r&d. First aluula batch gonna be expensive but at least we see progress
@@r1cburton man have you checked the second hand price of a Duotone D-lab? SLS? Core kites? They all go 1k€+ and it's not even the latest version, that's nowhere near cheap. A kite that costs 3k+ new will never be "cheap" in second hand because people won't let it go for a low price, and I understand them
Have you tested the Pace/Sensor4 combo both with and without the pornstache? I currently have no mustache but i can start growing one if needed. Thanks!
The gold standard for kite content creation in terms of education/progression based information. It is very cool to see what a really well-made kite breakdown can look like!
Hey Mike, great video. How would u compare it to the new aluula Code from slingshot? Jeremy posting pretty intense videos. Is it Rider skill gap or why aren't other brands posting such huge 20m+ Loops with high catching. Would be interested in your opinion
Almost 10K for 3 kites quiver (with bar) add it a Carved Imperator and you get close to 12K…you may have the « best » gear available on the market but it is an insane price to pay…unless you are wealthy enough or a sponsored pro rider. Don’t get me wrong I think it is fantastic to see new technology making kites lighter, stiffer, etc a real step up from traditional Dacron…it benefits to all level of riders but for now the price makes them to way too exclusive right now and I really hope this not road kitesurf industry goes in for the sake of the sport and audience. Anyway thank you for your interesting video Mike.
@@mikemiller774 They are not really scamming it's more of a "joke". But I've been a lot into duotone, I was the "go for duotone or nothing" guy then I broke a jaime SLS and had a lot of problem with my rebel sls after 1 year of use only (and God knows how much I take care of my gear). When I tried to use the guarantee they refused and I realised that they are just selling poor quality kites at a very high and unjustified price. I won't say the kite doesn't work, it works great. But the quality is awful. I couldn't go on the water without having that voice in my head saying " I hope my kite won't brake when I'm far away ". Since I switched to vantage kites, I never regretted that choice. I started progressing again when I switched and I will nver go back to duotone. I also think that they are making the sport less accessible. Imagine getting out of a kiteschool and seeing a kite at minimum 2k. This is way too much.
Super stoked to see the new bar. The Sensor 3 Pro was so close to perfection, but threw it all away with the 2-line flagout. Glad they forced their own hand with the pulley-less bridle.
Any insight on the 12m pace pro? I got the EVO DLAB 10 and DLAB 15 Juice, but the Duotone Quality has been haunting me, so I want to give the pace 12 pro a shot. 85kg and 1,90 - advanced rider. Any thoughts?
I've consistently heard that CORE kites are known for their exceptional durability, standing up to tough conditions over time. In contrast, Duotone seems to have a less reliable reputation, with frequent horror stories circulating about bar lines and quick release issues. Many users in the D-Lab community have reported needing repairs or even selling their kites due to these problems. It’s definitely something to consider when choosing between the two brands.
Super cool video for comparaisons. Really good job ! But I really don’t like where the kite industry is going. 1500€ for a 9m was already a lot of money, and now it’s double. When the kite cost a dime to the brand, we shouldn’t encourage prices to go that high and it’s sad to see the sport getting more expensive each year !
@@nathftn Yup, and without adoption by more people the sport itself is getting more and more in trouble. Top athlethes hardly earn any money. Bigger and better sponsorship deals requires more people interested in kite surfing. Quit stupid short term strategies.
@@wernerxldata In IT, when a new technology is out it's very expensive then it becomes very affordable the more popular it gets. In kiteboarding everything become more and more expensive just because they changed ONE fabric material. This is crazy !!
Could you be more specific about what on the Dlab breaks all the time? As the Pace uses the same material and has roughly the same weight, I doubt it's going to be much more durable than the Dlab, it's physics in the end.
I do not know about D/Lab or Core Aluula kites, but I have Ocean Rodeo Aluula ones (A-Flite 14,5, A-Roam 10 and 7) for more than 3 years of frequent riding (more than 100 sessions per year) and they are still in a very good condition.
@@janvanbunningen6468 It was a Duotone production batch problem involving a limited amount of early EVO´s , where the bladder punctured itself or unglued very close to the air valve. The problem was solved for all subsequent production batches to my knowledge.
Yep I can confirm regarding DLAB - I have 3 of them: 13m, 10m (which I love), 8m and already had bladder replaced on 10m kite (1 year old kite) after 2h the psi went from 8 to 4.5... Duotone bladders are too thin also their lines in the bars are not that good. BUT they have great warranty service (in Poland) I waited 2 weeks for a kite, also they arranged a replacement rebel sls 10m. Also 10m dlab is the best kite I have ever tried regarding handling, hangtime, loops etc (compared to core xr7, orbit, ozone edge). My friends who owned dlabs are now going to harlem force's and this is the next kite i need to try. Sorry but I wont pay 3k for kite I bought Duotone with very good discounts.
Bang 🔥🔥 Another amazing video! Definitely makes me think of the Pace as a next choice. I actually sold my XR PRO 9m and selling the rest of my XR series (besides the 7m for nuking conditions) Only reason is the intense bar pressure which causes frequent pain in my elbows (golfers elbow). Great work with the content Mike ;)
@@olegta4581tried my 10m pace for the first time yesterday, it loops quicker than my 8m xr pro, would even say faster than the 7m xr7 I used to have, it is crazy fast,
More than 4k total with its bar. No way I will ever buy a full quiver made of these kites. Do you know how many days can I buy on the water with a standard kite?! And I will improve more than with this kite just because the time in the water. 😂
Sensor 2 and 3 won’t even properly flag out any other core kites then the pace. They weren’t even safe to use by the iko. But now core can say their bars are iko certified. lol “No hate,just critics that haven’t been talked about, I’m getting a sensor 4 any ways, now with a working safety, it’s the best bar on the market”
Yessir! Sensor 4 is compatible with all previous Core kites and all SLE kites on the market (unless their are some super freakish kites I don't know about....)
@@gethighwithmike i have the xr pro 9 and 10 now but i dont like the 10 for “light” wind looping, the 9 needs like 20 and up knots to loop comfortably, i want the pace 10 for sure but i do like the 9 xr pro for the overpowerd conditions and not a flapping kite.. so im kinda in a struggle. 8-9 pace or 8-9 xr pro. Also in mind the resell value of the xr when a new one comes out in couple of months?
Gong finally brought Aluula alternative kites to the market. their Team series called UPE/DP are also lighter than the standard kites. Lighter kites are even coming to the market for half the price of the aluula brands. Looking forward to hear feedback of these kites. i just bought myself a gong but haven't tried it yet.
After seeing the video I am interested. I would like to try it first though. By the way. This video for me would win the first prize of the best kite review video. It has all the information you want. It is engaging, clearly explained, to the point, and has high quality video clips that correspond directly to the topics discussed. Well done 👍🤙
Hi Mike, quick question not Pace pro related (as I am no pro) I want to by myself a new Nexus 4, I have a Nexus 3 in a 9m. Do you think that the next size up should be a 12m or could a 13,5m work? I am just scared that the gap between a 9 and 13.5 might be too big. I can afford no more than a 2 kite quiver. Second question how would you compare the pull per size of a nexus vs XR. Thanks heaps
Hey man I’m not Mike but I would recommend the 13.5 only if you are heavy ( 85 + kg) otherwise stick to a 12m ( easier to sell and you can ride with any wind that you would on a 13.5
I own a 13,5m nexus 3 and a 8m xr7 and while both have a big windrange I'd rather have a 9m xr pro (which I'm ordering) than a smaller nexus. Nexus has s lot less pull than xr (2sizes) I can kite in 25 knots on that thing no problem and I'm 80kg, also it is still fast enough to pull a loop. It is very lofty thanks to size, awesome for progression.
Haha blame Canada, love the content bro! I’m nearly sold on the XR Pro 7m or 8m. Right now my main quiver consists of 2023 Orbit in size 8m & 11m. I know I would absolutely love the XR Pro since I had a chance to demo the XR8 this season and I was literally blown away with how easy it was to jump even with bad technique. I would love the aluula for its rigidity, lightness, strength, & water resistance because I drop my kite often when trying new tricks. I’ve inverted my orbits on a couple of occasions, I wonder…does the aluula prevent the XR Pro from inverting? Obviously the price is a huge consideration as you could probably get 2 brand new kites for the price of 1 aluula, but at least you have a better wind range to ride in with the aluula. I’m saving $ for now, maybe by the time the XR Pro 2 comes out I’ll pick one up. Big ups! ✌️
If you are crashing your kites often.. i would be going for cheaper options, not more expensive lol. Inverts are bad no matter what the material as you have messed things up enough for them to be putting stress the opposite of what the stitches should be handling so a rigid frame might be even more damaging. More PSI in those orbits may help.
So Core copied Duotone's +5 year old technology, slap 1000€ on top of the Evo Dlab price and say it's worth it? Doesn't quite make sense to me. Been riding for some years and tried different brands, and Duotone is the leading brand at the moment. Still want to try Core, what "normal" kite do you recomend?
Duotone didn’t have Aluula 5 years ago and didn’t even invent it, so no not really duotne technology, also go on kitemana and compare the price of evo d-lab to same size pace pro, and the duotone is actually more expensive, not €1000 cheaper, so I don’t know where you are getting that from, and if you have seen a small to medium size evo d-lab that’s been used for a few months in strong wind it looks like you have put it in a tumble dryer, trailing edge even falling to bits on some I have seen, whereas core xr pro’s still look brand new after 10 months use, the build quality is just not there for duotone, which is terrible for kites that expensive.
now I know its not my riding but my kite xD my best quiver would be gong 12-10-8 so I can still keep my kidney.. in all seriosness I am devoted to flysurfer because I think they have good development team, reliable kites and they release a new gen kite when there is noticable difference from previous gen - not like the trend to have atleast 1 new kite a year similar to iphones without noticable difference just make it more expensive. I know CORE is a very good kite in all aspects with good quality and generaly better durability than duotone or north, but the price is not accesible for normal people... I mean 4k for kite+bar setup, than you proobably need a new board too... I can sacrifice my loops for that.. Its like in cycling when you don't need a 10k bike with wireless shifters to ride for fun but a 1k bike will do just fine.. but there are not many kites in that range.. aniway I hope the athletes get some more funds of this high margin kite saga.. and no its not just aluula that everyone is talking about how pricey it is... because 6m is just 650€ cheaper than a 12m that should have twice the amount of material(and we know it is still profit on material for 12m)... and if you then take full 650€ worth of expensive magic material out of 6m price it is till over 2k€ for a 6m - which is still very expensive but without aluula... do we need to go to the bar? I mean for that price it could be hand forged by Giel himself..
I don't understand why, in the kite industry, people don't start their video saying if they are affiliated to the brand they are talking about or if they are sponsored by any brand mentioned in the video. That is simply illegal. I don't that, because this is a niche market, we should apply what is done in other market (let's take photography gear reviews for example). Anyway I love your videos but more transparency would be welcomed
Markets most likely regulate themselves...if they will sell, they were right, simply as that...if I was the one calling the shots...I appreciate much more North or Harlem strategy not to follow Aluula (for now) and try to make a performance kite at a reasonable price...considering that 85% of the market won't be able to fully appreciate the differences (myself included)...I hope, for myself, that they will change course and start making affordable kites for the avarage doe who can do few loops variations but doesn't need to win comps...
You give hadlow a plastic bag and he will still be better than all of you. Why the hell would anyone pay this much for a kite. I ride a modern C and can jump and loop just as well as the next. There's always gona be a bigger fish, jumping looping better than me. Im old, I care very little for high performance kites. 90 per cent of kiters cant even do a basic surface pass, why would i pay 3000 bucks for a kite that i crash trying a back to wrapped.
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Anyway: a kite that is supposed to use with a Y on the bar, ( like my d lab neo) should not used with a low V !!!!!! And vise versa. You change thecshape of the kite with Y and V connection. What is giving you bad results . By the way . These Duotone D labs are so sick… ☝️👍🤙🏾🤙🏾🤙🏾who can afford go for it . I love them- had Fone bandit and ozone Reo! It is another level . Can not compare even
I would not pay 2k for this. Around 2008 I got my hands on an OEM price listing (producer to company), you would fall off the chair, I did. Even if we take the time, inflation, and you name it into consideration, kite stuff is a scam, and it will go on like this, if we allow it. My 2 cents.
My Ventum kites are still able doing a lot more kiteboarding tricks /specials then i ever can dream of ..... ( that's probably the same for 95% of all kitesurfers 😎 ) € 3000 a kite and € 800 a bar? 🤪 It's an insult for the real kitesurfspirit.
3000€ No it's not worth it, costs 4000€ with new mandatory bar 🤪 kite industry ist killing the sport like windsurf industry does... i switched to GONG "...85g/m2 UPE Aramid present on the leading edge and the struts..." "10 m² for 1345€ Ayto Aramid DP Team Series" half price double fun for the weekend kite warriors 😉
Like everything no way I’m paying 3000 for a kite and 1000 more for a bar then you use it and a day later you have 3 and have to sell your car. ALUULA is very good I have two dlabs they are hard to beat they make me better when they fall apart I will just buy more or a core who knows ALUULA is a quantum love it hate it other than cost you lose nothing
Hey Marco, I'm curious what you mean by 'need'? Of course no one 'needs' these kites. But high level riders certainly do benefit from them. Don't listen to me if you don't want to. But do listen to the people who have bought Evo D-Labs or the Ozone Vortex. The reviews are stellar and they come from regular, unsponsored kiters.
Hey@@gethighwithmike , I have actually seen a good share of intermediate/advanced riders (i.e., that can do loops with some simple rotations) destroying Evo D-labs because they kept crashing them because they couldn't control them properly (Evo D-labs might not be the most durable kites around..) Generally, unless you have the skills to fully enjoy an advanced piece of gear, it doesn't make too much sense buying it. I personally don't like the industry trend to try selling 3k kites, I see way too many people on Aluula kites that bought them thinking they will help them progressing faster in big air, but in the meanwhile they can barely jump. They probably don't even appreciate the gear they're on. There's the risk the average price of kite will increase too much, preventing the industry from reaching more people this way. Of course, this is just my personal opinion!
You're sponsored and have dealership with Core. This video is BS but thanks for sharing specs. Also, 3k is fucking stupid amount of money for the same kite that you can buy with an other brand for €800 Also, there are ZERO new design features and nothing new about this kite. Pully systems are as old as methusalem and constructing a thinner leading edge is also done 15 years ago by different kite brands. Alua has been used 6 years ago aswell. Nothing new here, move on Mike ur a genuine guy but this is just selling your soul like a cheap car salesman
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3k, the industry is out of hand. So sad to see such trend restricting the sport to an elite
Yo chill there's cheaper kites out there and plenty second hand. Ya is pricey but it's r&d. First aluula batch gonna be expensive but at least we see progress
@@mieblock4856 tell me one thing an aluula kite can do that a no aluula kite can't do
Second hand market is cheap
Top end is not
@@r1cburton man have you checked the second hand price of a Duotone D-lab? SLS? Core kites? They all go 1k€+ and it's not even the latest version, that's nowhere near cheap. A kite that costs 3k+ new will never be "cheap" in second hand because people won't let it go for a low price, and I understand them
@@hugotoutsimplement5169 as Paris Hilton once said: STOP BEING SO POOR. Seriously though, very good kites trade for $300 on eBay. Stop being so dumb.
Definitely not. Kites cost way too much.
Yeah, nobody should be buying these kites to stop this horrible trend..
Kites also lose half their value in 2 years...
Short answer: no. 😆
Built using cheap labor and charging the cost of a car. Makes sense.
Have you tested the Pace/Sensor4 combo both with and without the pornstache? I currently have no mustache but i can start growing one if needed. Thanks!
The gold standard for kite content creation in terms of education/progression based information. It is very cool to see what a really well-made kite breakdown can look like!
Hey Mike, great video. How would u compare it to the new aluula Code from slingshot? Jeremy posting pretty intense videos. Is it Rider skill gap or why aren't other brands posting such huge 20m+ Loops with high catching. Would be interested in your opinion
Thanks for the unbiased review. I want to order an 8, 10 and a 12m and 2 sensor pro bars. Can you recommend a core shop?
Unbiased 😂, mike is sponsored by core for years.
This kite is literally a copy of the one and only Evo D/lab
Almost 10K for 3 kites quiver (with bar) add it a Carved Imperator and you get close to 12K…you may have the « best » gear available on the market but it is an insane price to pay…unless you are wealthy enough or a sponsored pro rider.
Don’t get me wrong I think it is fantastic to see new technology making kites lighter, stiffer, etc a real step up from traditional Dacron…it benefits to all level of riders but for now the price makes them to way too exclusive right now and I really hope this not road kitesurf industry goes in for the sake of the sport and audience.
Anyway thank you for your interesting video Mike.
IMO absolutely no kite is worth 3000€. But I agree with you about duotone. They are scamming people ahahah
I've watched video about this kite on another chan (not to watch twice). Checked transcript here: what's that about DT scamming?
@@mikemiller774 They are not really scamming it's more of a "joke". But I've been a lot into duotone, I was the "go for duotone or nothing" guy then I broke a jaime SLS and had a lot of problem with my rebel sls after 1 year of use only (and God knows how much I take care of my gear). When I tried to use the guarantee they refused and I realised that they are just selling poor quality kites at a very high and unjustified price. I won't say the kite doesn't work, it works great. But the quality is awful. I couldn't go on the water without having that voice in my head saying " I hope my kite won't brake when I'm far away ". Since I switched to vantage kites, I never regretted that choice. I started progressing again when I switched and I will nver go back to duotone. I also think that they are making the sport less accessible. Imagine getting out of a kiteschool and seeing a kite at minimum 2k. This is way too much.
3000 € and then one need the new bar.....
@@mikemiller774 it was a "joke"
Super stoked to see the new bar. The Sensor 3 Pro was so close to perfection, but threw it all away with the 2-line flagout. Glad they forced their own hand with the pulley-less bridle.
while brands are seeking sales, Mike is looking for credibility. thanks Mike for your honest feedback.
Honest feedback from a Core rider who directly benefits from Core sales through his Core shop 🤣
@@sprinklememang🤣👊🏻
lmao
Any insight on the 12m pace pro? I got the EVO DLAB 10 and DLAB 15 Juice, but the Duotone Quality has been haunting me, so I want to give the pace 12 pro a shot. 85kg and 1,90 - advanced rider. Any thoughts?
I’m getting a quiver. 8 and 10 Pace Pro, wondering if I should get a 12 Pace or 13.5 XR for light wind
I've consistently heard that CORE kites are known for their exceptional durability, standing up to tough conditions over time. In contrast, Duotone seems to have a less reliable reputation, with frequent horror stories circulating about bar lines and quick release issues. Many users in the D-Lab community have reported needing repairs or even selling their kites due to these problems. It’s definitely something to consider when choosing between the two brands.
Super cool video for comparaisons. Really good job !
But I really don’t like where the kite industry is going. 1500€ for a 9m was already a lot of money, and now it’s double. When the kite cost a dime to the brand, we shouldn’t encourage prices to go that high and it’s sad to see the sport getting more expensive each year !
I share this opinion !! as a kite instructor I feel like it's making the sport less accessible and restricted to a niche
@@nathftn Yup, and without adoption by more people the sport itself is getting more and more in trouble. Top athlethes hardly earn any money. Bigger and better sponsorship deals requires more people interested in kite surfing. Quit stupid short term strategies.
@@wernerxldata In IT, when a new technology is out it's very expensive then it becomes very affordable the more popular it gets. In kiteboarding everything become more and more expensive just because they changed ONE fabric material. This is crazy !!
Couldn't agree more! And, let's be honest, kites such as Duotone Rebel Sls and XR are pretty good for the average kiter.
Guys these are top of the line kites. If you don't need peak performance you don't need to pay top dollar. Cheaper stuff is out there
So with this expensive kite you also need a expensive new bar. I think i am happy with my Ozone Vortex.....😜
Vortex is beast
wasnt the vortex the most expensive kite before the pace?
just been flying 8m Pace Pro for 5 sessions - whoa, mind-blowing, landed so many low loops that i would've eaten shxt had i gone out with XR
Could you be more specific about what on the Dlab breaks all the time? As the Pace uses the same material and has roughly the same weight, I doubt it's going to be much more durable than the Dlab, it's physics in the end.
Bladders are too thin, they all start to leak after 6-12 months
I do not know about D/Lab or Core Aluula kites, but I have Ocean Rodeo Aluula ones (A-Flite 14,5, A-Roam 10 and 7) for more than 3 years of frequent riding (more than 100 sessions per year) and they are still in a very good condition.
@@andytroyis this also the case for the SLS kites?
@@janvanbunningen6468 It was a Duotone production batch problem involving a limited amount of early EVO´s , where the bladder punctured itself or unglued very close to the air valve. The problem was solved for all subsequent production batches to my knowledge.
Hi!
I have an Xr7 12m and 9m.....I want to add a PACE ....Wich size do you thing will be a good choice for a 77kg rider....???
Cheers!
Which spot are you riding at? :)
@@gethighwithmikeHi!
I live in Fuerteventura....
Flagbeach / Sotavento.
Cheers.
Yep I can confirm regarding DLAB - I have 3 of them: 13m, 10m (which I love), 8m and already had bladder replaced on 10m kite (1 year old kite) after 2h the psi went from 8 to 4.5... Duotone bladders are too thin also their lines in the bars are not that good. BUT they have great warranty service (in Poland) I waited 2 weeks for a kite, also they arranged a replacement rebel sls 10m. Also 10m dlab is the best kite I have ever tried regarding handling, hangtime, loops etc (compared to core xr7, orbit, ozone edge). My friends who owned dlabs are now going to harlem force's and this is the next kite i need to try. Sorry but I wont pay 3k for kite I bought Duotone with very good discounts.
Xr8 12m o Rebel sls 2024 12m ? En cuanto calidad de materiales, y manejo
Bang 🔥🔥 Another amazing video! Definitely makes me think of the Pace as a next choice. I actually sold my XR PRO 9m and selling the rest of my XR series (besides the 7m for nuking conditions) Only reason is the intense bar pressure which causes frequent pain in my elbows (golfers elbow). Great work with the content Mike ;)
100%
@@olegta4581tried my 10m pace for the first time yesterday, it loops quicker than my 8m xr pro, would even say faster than the 7m xr7 I used to have, it is crazy fast,
More than 4k total with its bar. No way I will ever buy a full quiver made of these kites. Do you know how many days can I buy on the water with a standard kite?! And I will improve more than with this kite just because the time in the water. 😂
Bought 4 Reedin Supermodel V3's with a bar this winter for less than 4k, all brand new.
Can it freestyle and unhooked?
Roughly 4k for (1) kite and (1) bar. 😮
Sensor 2 and 3 won’t even properly flag out any other core kites then the pace. They weren’t even safe to use by the iko. But now core can say their bars are iko certified. lol
“No hate,just critics that haven’t been talked about, I’m getting a sensor 4 any ways, now with a working safety, it’s the best bar on the market”
true, it is so embarassing to teach with core
Can I ride my XR Pro with the New Sensor 4 bar or do I need to have 2 Bars?
Yessir! Sensor 4 is compatible with all previous Core kites and all SLE kites on the market (unless their are some super freakish kites I don't know about....)
@@gethighwithmike5 Line kites maybe not? 😂
so its like an Evo?
Lmao yeah looks exactly like an Evo..
gonna buy the 10 pace, debating on 8-9 pace or xr. any suggestions?
What do you want to do on the 8 or 9m? If loops are the goal then 8 or 9 Pace for suuuure.
If you want to go massive, 8m XR.
@@gethighwithmike i have the xr pro 9 and 10 now but i dont like the 10 for “light” wind looping, the 9 needs like 20 and up knots to loop comfortably, i want the pace 10 for sure but i do like the 9 xr pro for the overpowerd conditions and not a flapping kite.. so im kinda in a struggle. 8-9 pace or 8-9 xr pro. Also in mind the resell value of the xr when a new one comes out in couple of months?
Catching speed is a new concept to me. Would love to get educated on it
Gong finally brought Aluula alternative kites to the market. their Team series called UPE/DP are also lighter than the standard kites. Lighter kites are even coming to the market for half the price of the aluula brands. Looking forward to hear feedback of these kites. i just bought myself a gong but haven't tried it yet.
After seeing the video I am interested. I would like to try it first though. By the way. This video for me would win the first prize of the best kite review video. It has all the information you want. It is engaging, clearly explained, to the point, and has high quality video clips that correspond directly to the topics discussed.
Well done 👍🤙
Really interested to see how the 12m performs. There's not enough wind here:)
Hi Mike, quick question not Pace pro related (as I am no pro) I want to by myself a new Nexus 4, I have a Nexus 3 in a 9m. Do you think that the next size up should be a 12m or could a 13,5m work? I am just scared that the gap between a 9 and 13.5 might be too big. I can afford no more than a 2 kite quiver. Second question how would you compare the pull per size of a nexus vs XR.
Thanks heaps
Hey man I’m not Mike but I would recommend the 13.5 only if you are heavy ( 85 + kg) otherwise stick to a 12m ( easier to sell and you can ride with any wind that you would on a 13.5
I own a 13,5m nexus 3 and a 8m xr7 and while both have a big windrange I'd rather have a 9m xr pro (which I'm ordering) than a smaller nexus. Nexus has s lot less pull than xr (2sizes) I can kite in 25 knots on that thing no problem and I'm 80kg, also it is still fast enough to pull a loop. It is very lofty thanks to size, awesome for progression.
15:22 Don't count out the 9 and 10m Nexus for loop progression. You don't go super high but it catches nice.
How to demo one of these?
Unless you are taking part in KOTA you dont need a $4k kite.
Your videos are insane! You have one of the best channels about kite in RUclips. Keep up the brilliant work. Cheers from Brazil. Wind is coming!
If brands want to loose interest from beginners, yes, just make it more expensive…
And you cant ride with olds core bars you need the new one otherwise your safety wont work 😂😂😂
Haha blame Canada, love the content bro! I’m nearly sold on the XR Pro 7m or 8m. Right now my main quiver consists of 2023 Orbit in size 8m & 11m. I know I would absolutely love the XR Pro since I had a chance to demo the XR8 this season and I was literally blown away with how easy it was to jump even with bad technique. I would love the aluula for its rigidity, lightness, strength, & water resistance because I drop my kite often when trying new tricks. I’ve inverted my orbits on a couple of occasions, I wonder…does the aluula prevent the XR Pro from inverting? Obviously the price is a huge consideration as you could probably get 2 brand new kites for the price of 1 aluula, but at least you have a better wind range to ride in with the aluula. I’m saving $ for now, maybe by the time the XR Pro 2 comes out I’ll pick one up. Big ups! ✌️
get the new north orbit alula
If you are crashing your kites often.. i would be going for cheaper options, not more expensive lol. Inverts are bad no matter what the material as you have messed things up enough for them to be putting stress the opposite of what the stitches should be handling so a rigid frame might be even more damaging. More PSI in those orbits may help.
So Core copied Duotone's +5 year old technology, slap 1000€ on top of the Evo Dlab price and say it's worth it? Doesn't quite make sense to me. Been riding for some years and tried different brands, and Duotone is the leading brand at the moment. Still want to try Core, what "normal" kite do you recomend?
Duotone didn’t have Aluula 5 years ago and didn’t even invent it, so no not really duotne technology, also go on kitemana and compare the price of evo d-lab to same size pace pro, and the duotone is actually more expensive, not €1000 cheaper, so I don’t know where you are getting that from, and if you have seen a small to medium size evo d-lab that’s been used for a few months in strong wind it looks like you have put it in a tumble dryer, trailing edge even falling to bits on some I have seen, whereas core xr pro’s still look brand new after 10 months use, the build quality is just not there for duotone, which is terrible for kites that expensive.
Go for the normal XR, was able to test it a couple of weeks ago, absolutely amazing kite!
@@janvanbunningen6468 xr8 and xr pro, both fantastic and a big upgrade on the previous xr7,
@@janvanbunningen6468 cool, will do. Thanks
Would love to know how much „more“ that material really costs. Now everyone is just following duotones lead on pricing…
Ok let’s forget it’s an ad for an overpriced kite…
Damn that video is informative regarding shapes and key points to check while choosing a kite 🤩
Sailboat: $100,000 - no jumping. Kite quiver: $10,000 - big jumping.
Doood! Awesome for core - finally!!! But yeah price is insane... Kite looks sick tho... And yeah... Canada - Prolly carbon taxed the s**t out of it...
now I know its not my riding but my kite xD my best quiver would be gong 12-10-8 so I can still keep my kidney.. in all seriosness I am devoted to flysurfer because I think they have good development team, reliable kites and they release a new gen kite when there is noticable difference from previous gen - not like the trend to have atleast 1 new kite a year similar to iphones without noticable difference just make it more expensive. I know CORE is a very good kite in all aspects with good quality and generaly better durability than duotone or north, but the price is not accesible for normal people... I mean 4k for kite+bar setup, than you proobably need a new board too... I can sacrifice my loops for that.. Its like in cycling when you don't need a 10k bike with wireless shifters to ride for fun but a 1k bike will do just fine.. but there are not many kites in that range.. aniway I hope the athletes get some more funds of this high margin kite saga.. and no its not just aluula that everyone is talking about how pricey it is... because 6m is just 650€ cheaper than a 12m that should have twice the amount of material(and we know it is still profit on material for 12m)... and if you then take full 650€ worth of expensive magic material out of 6m price it is till over 2k€ for a 6m - which is still very expensive but without aluula... do we need to go to the bar? I mean for that price it could be hand forged by Giel himself..
love the last sentence 😂😂😂
I can tell there was no biased opinion here.
This is going to be so good for CORE, congrats.
I don't understand why, in the kite industry, people don't start their video saying if they are affiliated to the brand they are talking about or if they are sponsored by any brand mentioned in the video. That is simply illegal. I don't that, because this is a niche market, we should apply what is done in other market (let's take photography gear reviews for example).
Anyway I love your videos but more transparency would be welcomed
Thanks for the feedback 🙏 I'll be sure to include a disclaimer in my next product related videos 🫡
Markets most likely regulate themselves...if they will sell, they were right, simply as that...if I was the one calling the shots...I appreciate much more North or Harlem strategy not to follow Aluula (for now) and try to make a performance kite at a reasonable price...considering that 85% of the market won't be able to fully appreciate the differences (myself included)...I hope, for myself, that they will change course and start making affordable kites for the avarage doe who can do few loops variations but doesn't need to win comps...
The kite industry heading the direction of windsurfing.
Another example of Core´s Image is not for free price tag
You give hadlow a plastic bag and he will still be better than all of you. Why the hell would anyone pay this much for a kite. I ride a modern C and can jump and loop just as well as the next. There's always gona be a bigger fish, jumping looping better than me. Im old, I care very little for high performance kites. 90 per cent of kiters cant even do a basic surface pass, why would i pay 3000 bucks for a kite that i crash trying a back to wrapped.
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Anyway: a kite that is supposed to use with a Y on the bar, ( like my d lab neo) should not used with a low V !!!!!! And vise versa. You change thecshape of the kite with Y and V connection. What is giving you bad results . By the way . These Duotone D labs are so sick… ☝️👍🤙🏾🤙🏾🤙🏾who can afford go for it . I love them- had Fone bandit and ozone Reo! It is another level . Can not compare even
No. That’s why we choose Gong for our equipement. Kites, wings, boards, foils, etc
From beginning to end, that is an extremely informative video. Thanks for putting out this content Mike!
No kite is worth 3000 bucks, no matter how good. You can buy a car for that price.
I would not pay 2k for this. Around 2008 I got my hands on an OEM price listing (producer to company), you would fall off the chair, I did. Even if we take the time, inflation, and you name it into consideration, kite stuff is a scam, and it will go on like this, if we allow it. My 2 cents.
I wish there was a kite that cost $10,000+
It needs to be stronger
Thx mike, always the best advices and videos out there 🚀
My Ventum kites are still able doing a lot more kiteboarding tricks /specials then i ever can dream of ..... ( that's probably the same for 95% of all kitesurfers 😎 ) € 3000 a kite and € 800 a bar? 🤪 It's an insult for the real kitesurfspirit.
3000€ No it's not worth it, costs 4000€ with new mandatory bar 🤪
kite industry ist killing the sport like windsurf industry does...
i switched to GONG
"...85g/m2 UPE Aramid present on the leading edge and the struts..."
"10 m² for 1345€ Ayto Aramid DP Team Series"
half price double fun for the weekend kite warriors 😉
Prices are way too high and to be honest I and a lot of other people are going to have to give up kitesurfing if Prices get much higher
Nobody is forcing you to buy these aluula kites..? There are still plenty of normal priced kites to choose from.
Having 3 Duotone EVOs blow it's struts on me with 2 with no warranty coverage (which is a joke), I will gladly pay $3k to get Away from Duotone.
Oh yeah and add 2 bars and 1 board delaminating into the Duotone Kluster-*uck. Oh and the too thin bladders debacle too.
How's abööt an 84kg rider (it's all muscle, i swear!!!)???
I wish they would make 11m Pace
It's sickening actually, the prices got out of hand.
great video man! definitely can't justify 3k on any kite but I'm also not risking my life every session boosting to the moon. Awesome breakdown bru!
what a helpful video, as always thank you mike
What a shame to compare a kite to a D lab and say it breaks all the time.
Must be the special aluula they use in core kites 😂
$ 3k aint going to be a problem for the middle aged bald men riding Core at my spot. We've all seen them
great video Mike!
better use the money to spend time on the water
Absolutely not, these prices are going to kill the industry - exactly what happend with windsurfing
I love u mike
Your videos are the shit Mike - thanks so much for your support to the community!
Ah thanks so much Jaap!
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@@gethighwithmike I've no idea really. social media just makes me a dic
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Thanks for the review…very helpful
3k is stupid. And guess what. All around 3 strut kites from all brands tend to be easier and faster than 5 strut big air kites.
Like everything no way I’m paying 3000 for a kite and 1000 more for a bar then you use it and a day later you have 3 and have to sell your car.
ALUULA is very good I have two dlabs they are hard to beat they make me better when they fall apart I will just buy more or a core who knows
ALUULA is a quantum love it hate it other than cost you lose nothing
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This Price IS ridiculous
3k is joke!!! sorry to said but kites are too expensive
Of course it is not worth it. Is like paying $200 for ice cream 🍦.
definitely not an unbiased opinion from Mike here. And 99% of the riders dont need these expensive kites, that s the truth.
Hey Marco, I'm curious what you mean by 'need'? Of course no one 'needs' these kites. But high level riders certainly do benefit from them. Don't listen to me if you don't want to. But do listen to the people who have bought Evo D-Labs or the Ozone Vortex. The reviews are stellar and they come from regular, unsponsored kiters.
Hey@@gethighwithmike , I have actually seen a good share of intermediate/advanced riders (i.e., that can do loops with some simple rotations) destroying Evo D-labs because they kept crashing them because they couldn't control them properly (Evo D-labs might not be the most durable kites around..)
Generally, unless you have the skills to fully enjoy an advanced piece of gear, it doesn't make too much sense buying it. I personally don't like the industry trend to try selling 3k kites, I see way too many people on Aluula kites that bought them thinking they will help them progressing faster in big air, but in the meanwhile they can barely jump. They probably don't even appreciate the gear they're on. There's the risk the average price of kite will increase too much, preventing the industry from reaching more people this way.
Of course, this is just my personal opinion!
tl:dw: no
Bunch of bollocks IMO. Marketing at its best.
You're sponsored and have dealership with Core. This video is BS but thanks for sharing specs.
Also, 3k is fucking stupid amount of money for the same kite that you can buy with an other brand for €800
Also, there are ZERO new design features and nothing new about this kite. Pully systems are as old as methusalem and constructing a thinner leading edge is also done 15 years ago by different kite brands.
Alua has been used 6 years ago aswell. Nothing new here, move on
Mike ur a genuine guy but this is just selling your soul like a cheap car salesman
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Someone wants to trade my used socks for an pace 🫣