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Here is what I am a little confused about. There seems to be 2 trains of thought when it comes to PED use. On one hand you have people who claim that if you take the right PEDs you barely have to do or know anything and can do the dumbest f*cken workout plan and you are still going to grow. And there are some studies to back this up. In one study the steroid group gained more muscle doing absolutely nothing than the group that did an effective workout every week. On the other hand you have people who claim that most PED users don't look like they lift and are weak. Now I how this is a complex topic especially bc the terms "PEDs" and "stariods" are large umbrella terms, but can you give some thoughts on this discrepancy?
@@fdsafsgrgsdg242because there's very few people who DO give good information and most of them are just as unpopular from a follower base perspective as revival is so once you find on of them it's probably good enough of a source than most of fitness content
Yeah I’m 37 and I still watch all this fitness YT crap cuz I love the entertainment value. I could care less who is natty. In fact I rather just watch the extreme juice heads cuz it’s something I don’t wanna risk.
Exactly just be grateful to lift in general, I have a hernia and have had it taken, Idaf who’s what I’m just happy to lift again, we take it for granted truly, I miss is so much man lol
Alex is just a conflicted youngin. He’s super Christian one minute the next he’s a rich frat boy vibe. Regardless he’s finally bulking which if he’s on drugs or not he’ll finally stop complaining about his physique
Saw a guy at the beach ripped out of his mind basically peaked natural and i asked how long it took him he hesitated and said a long time and i instantly knew he was on gear. I asked him how old he said 22. Lol.
This is why I’ve been binge watching Sam Sulek’s content. It’s obvious he’s on gear and he doesn’t hide anything. It’s like watching Mark McGwire slam monster homers in his juice days. You’re watching a total freak at work and you wanna see how far they can climb before it comes crashing down.
@@krystofodehnal9448he trained against the best bodybuilders of all time his cycle was definitely higher than sam sulek dorian was alot bigger than Sam sulek
@@jayden9851 Dorian had better genetics and actually knew how to train. He wasn't throwing weights around like a chimp that was told that there are no more bananas.
completely agree. People should lay off social media and just exercise, eat right and recover. It’s ridiculous how obsessed people are with the minutiae instead of getting the basics right.
Adding to underplaying usage. CBum, Ian, and his sis literally get caught buying Tren among other things. But no, he doesn’t use Tren only low does cycles.
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Ive had countless younger guys come up to me in the gym and ask shit like “bro did you see eubank mught go on cycle? Bro you see sam sulek?” They get suprised when i say i dont watch trash tik tok fitness
I can confirm confirmed that most people who don’t look like they take peds take peds. Pretty sure my dad took tren to only bench 225 (I’m stronger than him naturally in only a year and half of training)
i think the hopium is the biggest part of it. people want to see what might be possible for them when natural, and try to find someone further into training who looks good to kinda look up to and strive for. then when they hear that the person they were trying to look kinda like doesn’t even look that naturally? kind of a bummer. it makes it hard to know what kind of realistic expectations to set for yourself lol
The thing is, you aren't going to look like or lift as much as the next person. Genetics, bone structure, muscle fiber types, height, etc all vary this a lot. You have to maximize yourself as much as possible. I'm sure we'll eventually reach the point with AI where you can edit yourself like a video game but that's terrifying.
I think a good inspiration of what can be achieved naturally is to look at the bronze/silver era guys. Georg Hackenschmidt, Eugen Sandow, Steve Reeves, John Grimek... There's so many of them that look absolutely tremendous and would be called fake natty today, and they all had subpar understanding of diet and training which means there's even more potential, that's the ultimate whitepill
When I started lifting, it was worse than now. Still, if you have even a modicum of experience, you know that's BS on its face. The new crop of guys at least aren't falling for that. Although there will still be the stray "Arnold was natty" guys in comment sections.
@@andm9766 nobody grew a lot. The world natty guys at the biggest are 6’2 212, (and questionable if natty) Nobody in the world got big because the top natty is small as hell
@@demoncore5342 and I’m sure you’re 120 stage lean. You’re just fat. Unless you have face striations. Then go eat a burger. The average man is 200 lbs, and it isn’t a world class physique
The last thing you said was absolutely true. People should be in this space to improve themselves, or simply just for the love of it! I'm working out now with the knowledge that I may never look aesthetically pleasing, and that's perfectly okay! I am absolutely certain I don't have the genetics for it (and I might actually even have hormonal/thyroid issues -- but I'm going to see a doctor soon to make sure), and honestly I have better things to do than to go balls to the wall with fitness and clout chasing. But as long as I feel better and move better, that's what I'm truly after. And I'm going to go natty because I'm solely interested in the health benefits -- I could care less if anyone else uses or not!
Great points! While it’s definitely possible to look “enhanced” naturally- 99th percentile genetics are by definition rare. By contrast, drugs are cheap and lying is easy- making it obvious what you’re more likely to encounter online/in the gym.
I guess I only care about dudes like Eubank lying in the context that they are able to build an entire career and income off of that lie, while simultaneously spreading body dysphoria and unrealistic body standards out there. Win for the influencer, lose for pretty much everyone else.
Great video - the obsession over this stuff is insane, and Jeff Cavalieri is definitely on something(s). I would add that TRT is pretty amazing, so someone saying they “just do TRT,” well, they have a serious advantage. Firstly, their test level is through the roof a couple of days per week, and secondly their test level is basically always high normal, even when sleeping. That’s a massive advantage over a natural lifter, and enough for a previous steroid user to maintain much of what they built into old age. So if an influencer says they just do TRT, just know that it’s not like steroids lite, it’s literally steroids, just safer than cycles, and legal and possibly medically necessary due to past abuse of anabolics.
Nice video. It’s crazy to think that there’s likely more fake naturals than we suspect. I bet a lot of people the social media sphere has widely accepted as natty really aren’t. I get that these young guys brains are still developing - and they’re obviously emotionally invested in these influencers - but I hope they catch on eventually. And I know there’s no point of saying it again, but there’s no shot Eubanks is natural (along with another specific popular fitness influencer kids love).
So true. There are guys at the gym I go to who are taking test and npp. They legit look totally average. The amount of work, meal planning, and consistency is so important. PED’s aren’t magic and I speak from experience.
It’s very refreshing to hear someone be completely honest with his viewers. I agree that this drama around someone’s natural status is way out of hand. Personally I am not affected by Alex Eubank lying about being natural. What makes me care about this to some degree is when someone lies about their natural status to profit off their viewers through video views, selling products, and programs. However the average fitness joe needs to take more accountability for their actions and question what they see online. Gullible people need to be held accountable just as much as the people who lie.
EXACTLY! Is it just me or is there a lot more hate and negativity in fitness nowadays. A few years ago when I started, everyone was a lot more respectful and supportive, now you have nerds in the comments hating on every video.
@@REVIVALFitnessThey can actually find the PEDs in the sewage. Sewage is getting regularly checked for research and health inspections purposes and you can find viruses, drugs, chemicals etc and make a full statistical analysis on the health, drug use etc of the population
It's scary how dumb people are. What you said about people defending the natural status of people they don't even know is also common with politicians, celebrities etc. They defend them as if they know them, it's embarassing
Great video RF. Giving the people what they need to hear not what they want to hear. Just wanted to add I have a friend that's trained before, but recently got back into the gym. He showed me a picture of this Korean BBer that has 10 plus years of training and says that how I want to look. I said well its going to take you at minimum 5 years and my friend said I only got 10 months then I'm going to quit going. A lot of these teenagers and 20 somethings just want instant gratification. But I can also see how if a PT told a new client.. oh its going to take you years to develop the body you want. Many people would be discouraged and demotivated. Probably end up quitting the gym before they saw tangible results.
@@shred9475 Also, for guys whose identities revolve around being natty so much, most never even do the basic charades like showing bloodwork or competing in "natural" comps. At least the very popular "natties" pay MPMD or Doucette to call them natural. I saw someone mention that Jesse James West did a totally faulty bloodwork video but I haven't seen it.
I am subscribing to you you just got my respect for posting this video I feel more people need to say this because I believe a lot of people strive to be like them even young men are fooled by this many think they can go on PEDs and come off it with out any problems now a days
"Why do you care?" I'll take a stab at this. My theory is that most men tacitly understand they are in a subtle indirect competition with all other men on the planet, and nobody likes playing on an uneven playing field. Simple and valid, in my view. Also, nobody likes deceptive people. "How does this directly tangibly effect you?" is a smolbrained question that should really be taken out of the rhetorical toolbox.
You are correct. In the grand scheme though, once you reach a level of really understanding the game, you know everyone is lying. So the mental fixation on it goes away, or at least it should.
8:45 you mentioned that many commercial gym goers use some sort of PED but have they DEYL. What is the reason for that? That would be a great video topic.
I´m a natty lifter trying to naturally become the most strongest natural elite powerlifter and IFB natural future pro. Wish me luck on my natural lifting journey and wish your best on your natural lifting journeys.
You got this bro. Win a bunch of "natty" shows before you clean up at an NPC national show all natty, then get your pro card natty while winning international powerlifting meets during the offseason. Haters gonna hate!
Great content as always. I think it's easier to judge others to make yourself feel better, rather than looking at where you're able to make improvements to yourself. That applies to training and everything else!
Priorities should be health and career first everything else comes after that. Taking the "juice" is not going to help you with your health. Work hard eat well train properly and get your sleep. Look after yourself cause no one is going to look after you :) Peace :)
The influencers want attention and are comfortable lying to their audience, and the people who rush to defend them want to be noticed. Both will probably go away if enough people ignore them.
@@REVIVALFitness that's true, but I still wish for a day when the presentation of good information is a better currency than drama and useless attention seeking. It's too bad trainwrecks are hard to look away from.
you’re spot on man. i don’t even know why people are so surprised when they’re favourite influencer gets exposed for ped use. idk how someone could be so invested in someone else’s life. at the end of the day 98% of these influencers are blasting so who cares just live your own life LOL… also, love the vids bro, i miss your live streams on the wrestling channel haha
It's cause people do not understand how AthleanX's bodyfat % affects ones body, if you eat so little at his age and even does the amount of cardio to be there, lifting will always feel like you have the flu, on top of that your hormones and the environment for growth and maitenance of the body is in the trash can. He also is a millionaire from his very image, which is enough of a motive to be on PEDs even for me, who is a lifetime natural and am not interested in ever hopping on anything. Tristyn lee would not have muscle on his body if he was that lean year round naturally, so even though they don't optimize their growth, growth is not an option naturally being that lean, it's something bodybuilders work down to just for one day then start piling on healthy amounts of fat again to keep to the progress. Btw i will disagree with you on the saying that the average ped user at your local gym still benches 135lbs, they don't, peds actually work, if you have no disipline and don't know what you're doing being on them, you'll still be way stronger than a 135 bench, although the sentiment that most ped users don't look like they sauce is true for the most part.
*[Book of MaTThew, Chapter 3, Verse 11-13]* 📖 🏋️ (11) And after MaTThew saw the people gathered together and yet having bad form, he felt compassion for them. (12) And he stayed with the people, training them correctly. (13) And after he perceived that the multitude had corrected their form, he left.
Its like sports. For some reason people care SO MUCH about their favorite player or team and get way too emotional. Quite ridiculous and just baffling.
One thing I don’t agree with is the “don’t compare yourself to others” mantra. You will and you do, every day. Hierarchies are a part of human nature deeply engrained into our decision making and everyday life, even if you don’t realize it. I would say to keep the comparing healthy instead, compare yourself to the average and once you reach a certain point, you can switch the goal. You are a 20-30-40 year old male and want to compare to the big average or your age group instead? For me, it gives a goal when I am worse than somebody else, I don’t feel sad and shit. You simply cannot look me in the eyes and tell me that you do not compare. Side note, the guy’s physique is attainable naturally, he is’t even that big when you consider he ain’t a manlet. Is it hard to do? Yes, if it weren’t then he wouldn’t be famous…
Everyone compares, yes. You don't really have another option mentally. I mean from the context of obsessing over it and nitpicking at the level these guys do. His physique might not be natty attainable for him. For someone with pro card level genetics, sure.
What bothers me is people who claim natty who aren't. Because it distorts the perception of what one can expect as a naturally. So, after I while people don't know what the natural expectation of what they could look like is. And when honest people get bad information it's sad. It's human/animalistic nature to compare ourself to others, right or wrong. But, people giving others false hope or disceiving people is horrible quality to have. No one likes that. unfortunately, in a day in age of fakeness I don't see it getting better. Ultimately be the best you, that's the most important thing to others who care about you. Things aren't as important as you think they are. What's important today may not be so important tomorrow. ✌️
Hi from France Bro, I love you no homo, keep going, I hope one time I'll meet you in real life because the way you think is exactly the way I think im life in general, at least it seems so 😆 you always make me laugh because I can see myself in you ahaha. You're 100% right, and by the way, I've been in novice purgatory for 17 years I think I'm the worst gym goer ever, it's only been 2 months I finally hit a 135 lbs bench 😆 it makes me laugh but I'm better than ever at 30 so here is that
He will be fine. The biggest names can do almost anything and keep going unless it’s serious harm to other people. Doucette is an OG fake natty, among other numerous lies, Athlean uses fake weights, Kali Muscle is somehow popular again. Their influence is too big to fail. Braindead fanboys will defend them to the grave and there’s always huge new waves of viewers who don’t know this info.
@@ivankolobov9502 He is now, but he still claims "only HRT." He was caught doping in "natural" powerlifting and cycling contests over a decade ago. If you ask me, he would still be claiming natty to this day if he didn't get caught.
Just found you and @GVS through the "maingaining" controversy. I watched ALL 2 hours of you roasting RUclips's favorite manlet. It was a comprehensive well-presented breakdown of his many contradictions. My 'issue' with the both of you is the idea that someone who wants to be "shredded" somehow has body image issues and the guy who "HAs tO LoOK BiG iN cLoTHeS" does not. I'm 5'11 and can weigh anywhere between 145-160lbs with single digit bodyfat. I have pretty much looked like this my entire adult life. Not a powerlifter by any stretch of the imagination but stronger than the avg donk. I'm not aware of any self-esteem issues. If you are 5'6 and NEED to be 190lbs, yeah, you probably are suffering from "lil dude" syndrome. How many guys who HAVE to be BIG were little pussies growing up? They're still pussies--just in big bodies. Remember, wherever you go, there you are!
I don’t think I’ve said that someone who wants to be shredded automatically has body image issues, but it’s very common. It’s more normal than not among young lifters. They’re body dysmorphic beyond belief because social media is filled with guys who are shredded year round (they’re all “natty” of course) while still making progress. The vast majority of guys cannot sustain sub 10% body fat for any significant length of time.
It's normal to compare yourselves to others in the gym. The issue is having enough self esteem to me happy with where you are and what your limits are while still pushing yourself to improve. There is so much BS on youtube. I am middle aged, so it doesn't affect me very much, but I get why younger men are susceptible to the dishonest content. You are doing good work.
If someone really keeps talking about their natty status, it is really suspicious, but some dudes just use it as an excuse for being weaker than other influencers. In general it is quite a waste of time to wonder if someone is natural or not. At the end you need to focus on yourself and your progress. Follow people who inspire you to train smarter and better and those that give good information.
The agreement is split between the line…yeah it doesn’t matter as much about who’s natural, since it’s not something they legally have to be honest about. But the other side of the argument is there dignity and morals with transparency about the issues should matter to there followers who envy them sadly.
if more bodybuilders prioritized their health & longevity over temporary vanity then this wouldn't even be an issue. all these guys that are sauced up, how 'bout instead of doing all these "natty or not" videos, people start making "live to 50 or not" videos, that would be the real challenge.
To answer your question….no, I do not care about whether or not someone is on gear. Mostly because I’m ok with my own body and gains I’ve made and focused on my individual progress. And I’m not concerned at all with gaining social media clout by any means
Thank you for speaking the truth man, appreciate it! I am a beginner who is 110 pounds and 6 foot 1 but I intend to build my muscle naturally, just started week 6 of the bulk at 110 pounds way more strength than week 1 and lots of pr's was 102 on day 1 of bulking and the gym but my weight jumped to 107 in 1st 2 weeks probably because of water weight and glycogen, I aim for a 500 surplus each day
Very informative video, I really like how you aren't afraid to show tough love to your viewers. Some people just need a kick in the arse to understand what's really going on in the fitness industry.
Another big concern, is the perception these influencers give off by lying about that kinda stuff, which has caused many men new to training, young and old, to develop body dysmorphia.
Yea agreed doesn't matter if someone does gear or not. Doesn't matter, everyone's putting in the work. It's like ppl completely sober getting mad over someone drinking alcohol lol worry about yourself. So ridiculous. Very young ppl using gear not have even tried to make natural gains first is pretty much the biggest problem with use of anabolics. Do you.
I think it is most people are in these limbo states where there results start to flatten From there progressing will be hard They find confort with the natty or not dilemma because it either reassure them that maybe somehow they can keep progressing while also protect them from more impressive physic because compare to their because « it is definitely not natural »
You made some great points in this video, man. Good job. Rewatched your PPL horror story and was wondering what you'd think of adding 5 exercises instead of 4?
honestly the shit doesn't matter. Unless he is selling shit that he promises will make you look like him. but if he is at least be upfront and save himself from this stupid shit
I find all the discussion about Alex Eubank rn so funny because everyone believes he’s been natural this whole time and only JUST started gear. His physique is natty attainable but I believe he’s been on gear this whole time lol
He has been juicing hard since probably middle school (could be why his growth was so stunted), and he has supreme manlet leverages. Even so, extremely rare. I remember when Doucette gave him a pass as being natty years ago because "he does so much cardio and runs around a lot." Uh huh.
Imagine taking enhancements to walk around in the 170s. What, if he had good genetics and took enhancements seriously he’d be 300 lbs stage lean? (He’s not even stage lean)
@@ivankolobov9502 Yeah but this guy does. He complains at size plateaus. If he could put on pure muscle fast without fat or enhancements he would. I’m unconvinced athleanx would but Alex whines constantly
He is taking enhancements but probably not anywhere near the amount of someone at 300lb and not putting the same level of strain. An IFBB pro is going in way deeper than a few vanilla Sarms.
Fr I agree this topic has been annoying as hell like it really doesn’t matter. Idk why people care so much over what others choose to do with their own bodies. you don’t need an influencer to go out there and get gains lmao influence ya dam self become your own inspiration by staying disciplined, and becoming better than who you were the day before…… simple
The lying is the real issue, but it's moot because everyone is doing it. So they could say "omg, this guy is a fake" when all the guys he collaborates with, and the others they watch, are also the same. I'm getting sick of this topic because the masses will never be able to accept reality.
I’ve been watching Revival fitness for a while now and I remember M.k saying in some or his videos, your favorite nattys in the fitness industry are probably not natty. And I remember instantly thinking about Alex, and I’m like no I’ll give Alex the benefit of the doubt but everything M.K said about being lean and shredded all year around is red flag. Revival fitness red pilled the fitness industry
Alex needs to get his OnlySarms and BUL(KING) apparel: mkangeletti.creator-spring.com/
Why "Natural Bodybuilding" is a Complete Joke: ruclips.net/video/PP7--YSgEqk/видео.html
Here is what I am a little confused about. There seems to be 2 trains of thought when it comes to PED use. On one hand you have people who claim that if you take the right PEDs you barely have to do or know anything and can do the dumbest f*cken workout plan and you are still going to grow. And there are some studies to back this up. In one study the steroid group gained more muscle doing absolutely nothing than the group that did an effective workout every week. On the other hand you have people who claim that most PED users don't look like they lift and are weak. Now I how this is a complex topic especially bc the terms "PEDs" and "stariods" are large umbrella terms, but can you give some thoughts on this discrepancy?
Really dont care if totally natty or not as long as im getting my result. Id continue to use my product (Mk677). Getting mine from Nextchems.
@@tomkarate1a lot of it comes down to genetics
Bro your the only guy in the fitness space i watch you're a real one homie i hope you get the followint you deserve
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Why would you limit your knowledge to the experience and opinion of one single guy lol
@@fdsafsgrgsdg242most people have problems forming their own educated opinion using multiple sources, much easier to just stick to one truth lol
@@fdsafsgrgsdg242because there's very few people who DO give good information and most of them are just as unpopular from a follower base perspective as revival is so once you find on of them it's probably good enough of a source than most of fitness content
@@fdsafsgrgsdg242 Because I have a tested IQ of 166, and you can't teach that.
I'm 27 and I could care less about who's natural or not. But I always appreciate your brutal honesty.
Yeah I’m 37 and I still watch all this fitness YT crap cuz I love the entertainment value. I could care less who is natty. In fact I rather just watch the extreme juice heads cuz it’s something I don’t wanna risk.
@@Meemeeseecoo ha ha yeah. 😂
Exactly just be grateful to lift in general, I have a hernia and have had it taken, Idaf who’s what I’m just happy to lift again, we take it for granted truly, I miss is so much man lol
Could not care less*
True top natty athletes are the ones, who loose the most because of this particular matrix. Because they will never be properly recognized.
Alex is just a conflicted youngin. He’s super Christian one minute the next he’s a rich frat boy vibe. Regardless he’s finally bulking which if he’s on drugs or not he’ll finally stop complaining about his physique
Using Jesus as a shield and marketing piece works like a charm.
This is such a great way of describing him. Couldn’t have articulated it better
This is too accurate
@@REVIVALFitness no, he is just spreading the gospel, many people have come to Jesus because of him so it’s a good thing
Claims he Christian, lies about drugs . Seems legit
Saw a guy at the beach ripped out of his mind basically peaked natural and i asked how long it took him he hesitated and said a long time and i instantly knew he was on gear. I asked him how old he said 22. Lol.
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This is why I’ve been binge watching Sam Sulek’s content. It’s obvious he’s on gear and he doesn’t hide anything. It’s like watching Mark McGwire slam monster homers in his juice days. You’re watching a total freak at work and you wanna see how far they can climb before it comes crashing down.
Comment section: "He looks sick but at least I'm gonna live past 40" 🤓
@@REVIVALFitness, lol. Dorian Yates is still alive so I suppose anything is possible.
@@Meemeeseecooso what? He probably used less stuff than Sam Sulek
@@krystofodehnal9448he trained against the best bodybuilders of all time his cycle was definitely higher than sam sulek dorian was alot bigger than Sam sulek
@@jayden9851 Dorian had better genetics and actually knew how to train. He wasn't throwing weights around like a chimp that was told that there are no more bananas.
completely agree. People should lay off social media and just exercise, eat right and recover. It’s ridiculous how obsessed people are with the minutiae instead of getting the basics right.
I don't care about big influencers and their natty status, but NATTY 4 LIFE!
Adding to underplaying usage.
CBum, Ian, and his sis literally get caught buying Tren among other things. But no, he doesn’t use Tren only low does cycles.
Someone once commented “CBum only uses 500mg” and it’s like… uh sure
@@REVIVALFitnessno way lol i take gear and i know he blasts his socks off
You and Alex Leonidas are the only fitness channels that I follow. Keep it up 🏆
Alexander Bromely is also legit and rip John meadows.
@@Bootyeater999ad Geoffrey to the list
Bald Omni man. Thank me later
@@pterpsvin8887 True
@@morales11191 correct as well!
Your rants get really funny sometimes, you are absolutely right about this topic though.
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Thank you!! Finally someone who says the cold hard truth of the fitness industry. Earned yourself a sub brother
Thanks man. It’s tough sometimes because if I smiled and kissed ass like everyone else I’d more than likely have 3-5x the subs.
How do you not have more subs!!! One of THEE Best fitness channels on the platform. And you’re hilarious 😂 always crack up each vid. Keep up the excellent work, this channel is gonna blow up.
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Ive had countless younger guys come up to me in the gym and ask shit like “bro did you see eubank mught go on cycle? Bro you see sam sulek?”
They get suprised when i say i dont watch trash tik tok fitness
Fitness drama / natty or not is their soap opera. While most barely have a grasp on the basics.
I can confirm confirmed that most people who don’t look like they take peds take peds. Pretty sure my dad took tren to only bench 225 (I’m stronger than him naturally in only a year and half of training)
Poppa was a tren fiend
My pops benched 150kg naturally through injuries I can't bench over 100 for the life of me 😂😂.
I do row and squat more than him at 25 tho😂😂.
Mogged your dad 🔥💪
i think the hopium is the biggest part of it. people want to see what might be possible for them when natural, and try to find someone further into training who looks good to kinda look up to and strive for. then when they hear that the person they were trying to look kinda like doesn’t even look that naturally? kind of a bummer. it makes it hard to know what kind of realistic expectations to set for yourself lol
The thing is, you aren't going to look like or lift as much as the next person. Genetics, bone structure, muscle fiber types, height, etc all vary this a lot. You have to maximize yourself as much as possible. I'm sure we'll eventually reach the point with AI where you can edit yourself like a video game but that's terrifying.
@@REVIVALFitness true true lmao. the only concrete way to know what you can look like at your best is to put in the work until you get there yourself
I think a good inspiration of what can be achieved naturally is to look at the bronze/silver era guys. Georg Hackenschmidt, Eugen Sandow, Steve Reeves, John Grimek... There's so many of them that look absolutely tremendous and would be called fake natty today, and they all had subpar understanding of diet and training which means there's even more potential, that's the ultimate whitepill
“Why do you care so much for someone’s natty or not status”
All the 300 lbs bodybuilders before your time were claiming natty
When I started lifting, it was worse than now. Still, if you have even a modicum of experience, you know that's BS on its face. The new crop of guys at least aren't falling for that. Although there will still be the stray "Arnold was natty" guys in comment sections.
And what was so bad besides maybe some people taking their word and overtraining. Some people took that advice and grew a lot and then realized better
@@andm9766 nobody grew a lot. The world natty guys at the biggest are 6’2 212, (and questionable if natty)
Nobody in the world got big because the top natty is small as hell
@@soonahero For real? Like I'm 5'7 and 180...
@@demoncore5342 and I’m sure you’re 120 stage lean. You’re just fat. Unless you have face striations. Then go eat a burger.
The average man is 200 lbs, and it isn’t a world class physique
The last thing you said was absolutely true. People should be in this space to improve themselves, or simply just for the love of it!
I'm working out now with the knowledge that I may never look aesthetically pleasing, and that's perfectly okay! I am absolutely certain I don't have the genetics for it (and I might actually even have hormonal/thyroid issues -- but I'm going to see a doctor soon to make sure), and honestly I have better things to do than to go balls to the wall with fitness and clout chasing. But as long as I feel better and move better, that's what I'm truly after.
And I'm going to go natty because I'm solely interested in the health benefits -- I could care less if anyone else uses or not!
loving the consistent uploads bro 💪your notifications are usually a "pause what im doing to watch this" for me
I love how you always have the correct take on everything. Natty or not is for drama fueled fitness fanboy nerds.
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I like this man’s style of presentation, he is really passionate 😌👌
Great points! While it’s definitely possible to look “enhanced” naturally- 99th percentile genetics are by definition rare. By contrast, drugs are cheap and lying is easy- making it obvious what you’re more likely to encounter online/in the gym.
Well said
my favorite PED user is that "tren, DNP + no working out" bro
6:53 those girls are bending the laws of space-but continuum😂
I guess I only care about dudes like Eubank lying in the context that they are able to build an entire career and income off of that lie, while simultaneously spreading body dysphoria and unrealistic body standards out there. Win for the influencer, lose for pretty much everyone else.
Great video - the obsession over this stuff is insane, and Jeff Cavalieri is definitely on something(s). I would add that TRT is pretty amazing, so someone saying they “just do TRT,” well, they have a serious advantage. Firstly, their test level is through the roof a couple of days per week, and secondly their test level is basically always high normal, even when sleeping. That’s a massive advantage over a natural lifter, and enough for a previous steroid user to maintain much of what they built into old age. So if an influencer says they just do TRT, just know that it’s not like steroids lite, it’s literally steroids, just safer than cycles, and legal and possibly medically necessary due to past abuse of anabolics.
I'm curious now about this "purgatory stage." Need to click on your video.
Nice video. It’s crazy to think that there’s likely more fake naturals than we suspect. I bet a lot of people the social media sphere has widely accepted as natty really aren’t. I get that these young guys brains are still developing - and they’re obviously emotionally invested in these influencers - but I hope they catch on eventually. And I know there’s no point of saying it again, but there’s no shot Eubanks is natural (along with another specific popular fitness influencer kids love).
So true. There are guys at the gym I go to who are taking test and npp. They legit look totally average. The amount of work, meal planning, and consistency is so important. PED’s aren’t magic and I speak from experience.
It’s very refreshing to hear someone be completely honest with his viewers. I agree that this drama around someone’s natural status is way out of hand. Personally I am not affected by Alex Eubank lying about being natural. What makes me care about this to some degree is when someone lies about their natural status to profit off their viewers through video views, selling products, and programs. However the average fitness joe needs to take more accountability for their actions and question what they see online. Gullible people need to be held accountable just as much as the people who lie.
EXACTLY! Is it just me or is there a lot more hate and negativity in fitness nowadays. A few years ago when I started, everyone was a lot more respectful and supportive, now you have nerds in the comments hating on every video.
crazy how right you are, saw article in uk estimate 500k young men on steroids and thats just young guyss
I wonder how you would even get that information. Self-reported surveys? If so, there's a massive margin of lying that isn't even accounted for.
@@REVIVALFitnessThey can actually find the PEDs in the sewage. Sewage is getting regularly checked for research and health inspections purposes and you can find viruses, drugs, chemicals etc and make a full statistical analysis on the health, drug use etc of the population
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Research Selfworth (inner child work) then you will get a deeper understanding for the need to compare etc. - and how to solve it.
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It's scary how dumb people are. What you said about people defending the natural status of people they don't even know is also common with politicians, celebrities etc. They defend them as if they know them, it's embarassing
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I think people want to live vicariously through those who they adamantly follow.
What I love is whenever you imitate a "gym bro" you always end every sentence with bro, that's hilarious
I tend to do that myself, as I too am a gym bro.
You never miss on these videos. Your take on everything is always spot on. Good job.
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Great video RF. Giving the people what they need to hear not what they want to hear.
Just wanted to add I have a friend that's trained before, but recently got back into the gym. He showed me a picture of this Korean BBer that has 10 plus years of training and says that how I want to look. I said well its going to take you at minimum 5 years and my friend said I only got 10 months then I'm going to quit going. A lot of these teenagers and 20 somethings just want instant gratification. But I can also see how if a PT told a new client.. oh its going to take you years to develop the body you want. Many people would be discouraged and demotivated. Probably end up quitting the gym before they saw tangible results.
brother u nailed it i love the fact that u are not deluional like these noble natties.
They're hopium dealers.
@@REVIVALFitness copium addicts
@@shred9475 Also, for guys whose identities revolve around being natty so much, most never even do the basic charades like showing bloodwork or competing in "natural" comps. At least the very popular "natties" pay MPMD or Doucette to call them natural. I saw someone mention that Jesse James West did a totally faulty bloodwork video but I haven't seen it.
@@REVIVALFitness absolutely bro i caught up on it hhhh. jessie james west comes to mind. also matt does tren.
realest dude in the fitness community I've seen in a fat minute. just subbed
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You have quickly become my fav fitness creator.
By this point I think that everyone making money from online fitness is on the juice
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I am subscribing to you you just got my respect for posting this video I feel more people need to say this because I believe a lot of people strive to be like them even young men are fooled by this many think they can go on PEDs and come off it with out any problems now a days
Bro, I didn’t realize how much you blink your eyes 😆
"Why do you care?"
I'll take a stab at this. My theory is that most men tacitly understand they are in a subtle indirect competition with all other men on the planet, and nobody likes playing on an uneven playing field.
Simple and valid, in my view. Also, nobody likes deceptive people.
"How does this directly tangibly effect you?" is a smolbrained question that should really be taken out of the rhetorical toolbox.
You are correct. In the grand scheme though, once you reach a level of really understanding the game, you know everyone is lying. So the mental fixation on it goes away, or at least it should.
@@REVIVALFitness true that
This bro is speaking pure fax. Sum of these ppl act like they'll lose strength on the 3 big lifts if their fav ytuber comes out as not natty
8:45 you mentioned that many commercial gym goers use some sort of PED but have they DEYL. What is the reason for that? That would be a great video topic.
Poor training and eating + lack of experience primarily. Genetics also.
I´m a natty lifter trying to naturally become the most strongest natural elite powerlifter and IFB natural future pro. Wish me luck on my natural lifting journey and wish your best on your natural lifting journeys.
You got this bro. Win a bunch of "natty" shows before you clean up at an NPC national show all natty, then get your pro card natty while winning international powerlifting meets during the offseason. Haters gonna hate!
Great content as always. I think it's easier to judge others to make yourself feel better, rather than looking at where you're able to make improvements to yourself. That applies to training and everything else!
Great video! Thank you for speaking the truth!
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Priorities should be health and career first everything else comes after that. Taking the "juice" is not going to help you with your health. Work hard eat well train properly and get your sleep. Look after yourself cause no one is going to look after you :) Peace :)
The influencers want attention and are comfortable lying to their audience, and the people who rush to defend them want to be noticed.
Both will probably go away if enough people ignore them.
Well said. Counterpoint to your last sentence though: that will never happen, and their audiences just keep expanding. Drama ultimately fuels growth.
@@REVIVALFitness that's true, but I still wish for a day when the presentation of good information is a better currency than drama and useless attention seeking.
It's too bad trainwrecks are hard to look away from.
Algo 💪. You need more attention. Being emotional invested in anything is dumb, politics, natty status bla bla
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you’re spot on man. i don’t even know why people are so surprised when they’re favourite influencer gets exposed for ped use. idk how someone could be so invested in someone else’s life. at the end of the day 98% of these influencers are blasting so who cares just live your own life LOL… also, love the vids bro, i miss your live streams on the wrestling channel haha
It's cause people do not understand how AthleanX's bodyfat % affects ones body, if you eat so little at his age and even does the amount of cardio to be there, lifting will always feel like you have the flu, on top of that your hormones and the environment for growth and maitenance of the body is in the trash can. He also is a millionaire from his very image, which is enough of a motive to be on PEDs even for me, who is a lifetime natural and am not interested in ever hopping on anything. Tristyn lee would not have muscle on his body if he was that lean year round naturally, so even though they don't optimize their growth, growth is not an option naturally being that lean, it's something bodybuilders work down to just for one day then start piling on healthy amounts of fat again to keep to the progress. Btw i will disagree with you on the saying that the average ped user at your local gym still benches 135lbs, they don't, peds actually work, if you have no disipline and don't know what you're doing being on them, you'll still be way stronger than a 135 bench, although the sentiment that most ped users don't look like they sauce is true for the most part.
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(11) And after MaTThew saw the people gathered together and yet having bad form, he felt compassion for them.
(12) And he stayed with the people, training them correctly.
(13) And after he perceived that the multitude had corrected their form, he left.
Great video everything you said is true , especially about PED use in comercial gyms
Need more TRENsparency in the fitness space.
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Its like sports. For some reason people care SO MUCH about their favorite player or team and get way too emotional. Quite ridiculous and just baffling.
One thing I don’t agree with is the “don’t compare yourself to others” mantra. You will and you do, every day. Hierarchies are a part of human nature deeply engrained into our decision making and everyday life, even if you don’t realize it. I would say to keep the comparing healthy instead, compare yourself to the average and once you reach a certain point, you can switch the goal. You are a 20-30-40 year old male and want to compare to the big average or your age group instead? For me, it gives a goal when I am worse than somebody else, I don’t feel sad and shit. You simply cannot look me in the eyes and tell me that you do not compare.
Side note, the guy’s physique is attainable naturally, he is’t even that big when you consider he ain’t a manlet. Is it hard to do? Yes, if it weren’t then he wouldn’t be famous…
Everyone compares, yes. You don't really have another option mentally. I mean from the context of obsessing over it and nitpicking at the level these guys do. His physique might not be natty attainable for him. For someone with pro card level genetics, sure.
What bothers me is people who claim natty who aren't. Because it distorts the perception of what one can expect as a naturally. So, after I while people don't know what the natural expectation of what they could look like is.
And when honest people get bad information it's sad. It's human/animalistic nature to compare ourself to others, right or wrong. But, people giving others false hope or disceiving people is horrible quality to have. No one likes that. unfortunately, in a day in age of fakeness I don't see it getting better. Ultimately be the best you, that's the most important thing to others who care about you. Things aren't as important as you think they are. What's important today may not be so important tomorrow.
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Just hitting failure can unlock some hidden natty potential😊
Hi from France Bro, I love you no homo, keep going, I hope one time I'll meet you in real life because the way you think is exactly the way I think im life in general, at least it seems so 😆 you always make me laugh because I can see myself in you ahaha. You're 100% right, and by the way, I've been in novice purgatory for 17 years I think I'm the worst gym goer ever, it's only been 2 months I finally hit a 135 lbs bench 😆 it makes me laugh but I'm better than ever at 30 so here is that
Thanks man. You will start making much better gains now.
Alex risking his career and credibility with this one
He will be fine. The biggest names can do almost anything and keep going unless it’s serious harm to other people. Doucette is an OG fake natty, among other numerous lies, Athlean uses fake weights, Kali Muscle is somehow popular again. Their influence is too big to fail. Braindead fanboys will defend them to the grave and there’s always huge new waves of viewers who don’t know this info.
@@REVIVALFitnessisn’t Doucette open about his PED use?
@@ivankolobov9502look you were just asked why does anyone care about others natty or not status, so answer
@@ivankolobov9502 He is now, but he still claims "only HRT." He was caught doping in "natural" powerlifting and cycling contests over a decade ago. If you ask me, he would still be claiming natty to this day if he didn't get caught.
@@REVIVALFitnessDoucette has always said he’s not natural.
Just found you and @GVS through the "maingaining" controversy. I watched ALL 2 hours of you roasting RUclips's favorite manlet. It was a comprehensive well-presented breakdown of his many contradictions. My 'issue' with the both of you is the idea that someone who wants to be "shredded" somehow has body image issues and the guy who "HAs tO LoOK BiG iN cLoTHeS" does not. I'm 5'11 and can weigh anywhere between 145-160lbs with single digit bodyfat. I have pretty much looked like this my entire adult life. Not a powerlifter by any stretch of the imagination but stronger than the avg donk. I'm not aware of any self-esteem issues. If you are 5'6 and NEED to be 190lbs, yeah, you probably are suffering from "lil dude" syndrome. How many guys who HAVE to be BIG were little pussies growing up? They're still pussies--just in big bodies. Remember, wherever you go, there you are!
I don’t think I’ve said that someone who wants to be shredded automatically has body image issues, but it’s very common. It’s more normal than not among young lifters. They’re body dysmorphic beyond belief because social media is filled with guys who are shredded year round (they’re all “natty” of course) while still making progress. The vast majority of guys cannot sustain sub 10% body fat for any significant length of time.
It's normal to compare yourselves to others in the gym. The issue is having enough self esteem to me happy with where you are and what your limits are while still pushing yourself to improve. There is so much BS on youtube. I am middle aged, so it doesn't affect me very much, but I get why younger men are susceptible to the dishonest content. You are doing good work.
Thank you. We're in too deep. But such is life now.
If someone really keeps talking about their natty status, it is really suspicious, but some dudes just use it as an excuse for being weaker than other influencers. In general it is quite a waste of time to wonder if someone is natural or not. At the end you need to focus on yourself and your progress. Follow people who inspire you to train smarter and better and those that give good information.
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The agreement is split between the line…yeah it doesn’t matter as much about who’s natural, since it’s not something they legally have to be honest about.
But the other side of the argument is there dignity and morals with transparency about the issues should matter to there followers who envy them sadly.
Not to hate on him, but eubanks is easily natty attainable. 1.75x bw bench, 2.5x bw conventional deadlift, 1.9x bw parallel high bar squat. 5'9 175.
u will never have his chest ever keep dreaming
@xdd543 ? My chests already bigger than his. Idkw you guys see. He's not walking around with Jay cutler or sam sulek tits.
The vast, vast majority of naturals are not benching 300+ lbs at 175 lean, especially someone like him with lanky arms.
@REVIVALFitness true. But he's been training consistently for 6 years. Most naturals can't attest to that and if they did they'd hit those numbers.
@REVIVALFitness his bench is the outlier of his lifts. Others are less impressive mainly squat.
if more bodybuilders prioritized their health & longevity over temporary vanity then this wouldn't even be an issue. all these guys that are sauced up, how 'bout instead of doing all these "natty or not" videos, people start making "live to 50 or not" videos, that would be the real challenge.
To answer your question….no, I do not care about whether or not someone is on gear. Mostly because I’m ok with my own body and gains I’ve made and focused on my individual progress. And I’m not concerned at all with gaining social media clout by any means
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Alex say homies bro
Noble nattys assemble 🥷🏿
Those chicks are breaking the laws of space-but continuum😂
Thank you for speaking the truth man, appreciate it! I am a beginner who is 110 pounds and 6 foot 1 but I intend to build my muscle naturally, just started week 6 of the bulk at 110 pounds way more strength than week 1 and lots of pr's was 102 on day 1 of bulking and the gym but my weight jumped to 107 in 1st 2 weeks probably because of water weight and glycogen, I aim for a 500 surplus each day
Very informative video, I really like how you aren't afraid to show tough love to your viewers. Some people just need a kick in the arse to understand what's really going on in the fitness industry.
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Another big concern, is the perception these influencers give off by lying about that kinda stuff, which has caused many men new to training, young and old, to develop body dysmorphia.
Yeah, that’s probably the worst tangible effect.
Yea agreed doesn't matter if someone does gear or not. Doesn't matter, everyone's putting in the work. It's like ppl completely sober getting mad over someone drinking alcohol lol worry about yourself. So ridiculous. Very young ppl using gear not have even tried to make natural gains first is pretty much the biggest problem with use of anabolics. Do you.
hiding the finest bottle of TRT under the hat
I'm 39 and I just watch this stuff for the drama 🍿💅
I think it is most people are in these limbo states where there results start to flatten
From there progressing will be hard
They find confort with the natty or not dilemma because it either reassure them that maybe somehow they can keep progressing while also protect them from more impressive physic because compare to their because « it is definitely not natural »
Good old "U mad brah" 5:21
Speaking Facts brother
You made some great points in this video, man. Good job. Rewatched your PPL horror story and was wondering what you'd think of adding 5 exercises instead of 4?
First it’s five, then it will be six…
@@REVIVALFitness Then seven...
honestly the shit doesn't matter. Unless he is selling shit that he promises will make you look like him. but if he is at least be upfront and save himself from this stupid shit
People actually thought Alex was natty? The same guy who literally photoshopped his photos to look bigger.
Hi RV, I was just wondering your opinions on Jeff Nippard. He's one of my favorite fitness content creators
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I find all the discussion about Alex Eubank rn so funny because everyone believes he’s been natural this whole time and only JUST started gear. His physique is natty attainable but I believe he’s been on gear this whole time lol
It's also that "well he said he's going to START doing steroids, so he must be natty now!!"
Lol, I have been saying this from day 1 on other channels comments and all I get is hate for saying the truth.
The masses are clueless and desperate to believe. Dealing hopium under the guise of “natty” is very profitable.
trystin lee hit a 315 bench at 16 at 135lbs bodyweight i don't think thats possible
He has been juicing hard since probably middle school (could be why his growth was so stunted), and he has supreme manlet leverages. Even so, extremely rare. I remember when Doucette gave him a pass as being natty years ago because "he does so much cardio and runs around a lot." Uh huh.
@@REVIVALFitness besides that i think trystin lee has a serious ED problem
This channel is awesome
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Imagine taking enhancements to walk around in the 170s.
What, if he had good genetics and took enhancements seriously he’d be 300 lbs stage lean? (He’s not even stage lean)
That's what happens when you don't eat, but it's very common. He does have very good chest genetics.
Not everyone wants to look like an IFBB pro. The guy is all about “aesthetics bRaH”, it wouldn’t be advantageous for him to look like a mass monster.
@@ivankolobov9502 Yeah but this guy does. He complains at size plateaus. If he could put on pure muscle fast without fat or enhancements he would.
I’m unconvinced athleanx would but Alex whines constantly
He is taking enhancements but probably not anywhere near the amount of someone at 300lb and not putting the same level of strain. An IFBB pro is going in way deeper than a few vanilla Sarms.
Fr I agree this topic has been annoying as hell like it really doesn’t matter. Idk why people care so much over what others choose to do with their own bodies. you don’t need an influencer to go out there and get gains lmao influence ya dam self become your own inspiration by staying disciplined, and becoming better than who you were the day before…… simple
The lying is the real issue, but it's moot because everyone is doing it. So they could say "omg, this guy is a fake" when all the guys he collaborates with, and the others they watch, are also the same. I'm getting sick of this topic because the masses will never be able to accept reality.
I’ve been watching Revival fitness for a while now and I remember M.k saying in some or his videos, your favorite nattys in the fitness industry are probably not natty. And I remember instantly thinking about Alex, and I’m like no I’ll give Alex the benefit of the doubt but everything M.K said about being lean and shredded all year around is red flag. Revival fitness red pilled the fitness industry