How to Ni Better | Introverted Intuition
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Here's an exercise for this week to help as you progress your major of Ni Introverted Intuition. There is a minor in Te here as well. When do we graduate? When we 💀, so cheers to a lifetime of consciousness expansion. It's a fantastic experience.
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Confession: As an Ni dom, I get secretly annoyed when someone says to me, "but have you thought this through?" Yes, dammit (lol). "I've dissected this in every conceivable angle and still prying for more". Yes, yes, I have!!!!
Hahah exactly
Yesss
They literally don’t even know.
As an ENFJ when someone doubts my assessment of another person sometimes I feel just pure rage especially if I know the person VERY well.....I have had a few ENTP's do this to me and I just point out that they couldn't tell a brick wall from a brain half the time lol
How to trigger a Ni dom
Ni: Hold up. Something's off.
Te: What? Are your "legal liability senses" tingling again? Or did you find another loophole to exploit?
Ni: No no... It's just...
Te: Then come on! Let's work on this difficult and/or tedious thing we have to do!
Ni: But what's the end goal?
Fi (to self): I sense ouchie.
Te: To do this!
Ni: To serve what greater end?
Te: To accomplish X.
Ni: But to what even greater end?
...
Ni: But how does it serve the end goal of living?
Te: Hold up, what's the end goal of life again?
Fi: Oh no.
Ni: Don't really know, honestly, other than whatever you want it to be and that it's a multifaceted thing, so let me consult Fi.
Fi: (speaks incoherently)
Ni: Crap. This will take awhile.
Te: We've tried this for years!
Ni: Of course. Let's not get into another existential Ni-Fi loop, seeing as it may very well paralyze everything we do again!
Te: Yup, nip this in the bud. Now!
Ni: Definitely. It's not like it matters anyway, or that anything matters for that matter...
Te: Stop that! Get out!
Ni: Right. Fi, is this thing interesting?
Fi: (shakes head no)
Ni: Te, is this thing absolutely necessary? And does anyone or anything we care about depend on it?
Te: Well... um...
Ni: Cool. That means "unlikely" and/or "not enough to spend much effort on". Either way, I hereby rule insufficient evidence that the ROI is worth it, so we're not doing it for now. Oh, and iIf and when we forget about it later, that must mean it was never really that important anyway.
Fi: Yay!
Te: Whelp, better this quick decision in the negative than another crippling Ni-Fi loop with sunk costs of having started, I guess.
Se: Hold up. We've been sitting here for a while. What were we doing again?
Ni: Just discussing why I'm right.
Se: No, I mean... You know, what, never mind.
Ummm now it’s your turn to make a video. Come on, Se says I need a vacation lol
Ha! Excellent!
I swear, sometimes reading stuff written by people from this community is terrifying. Such levels of relatability should not be possible. It's hard to believe there're other people on this planet who think so much alike.
That was absolutely awesome. Thank you.
@@InternetLiJo That would be a great video for someone - not named N Cognito - to make. It could be made to educate, be funny, or both at the same time. Of course you have been extremely busy lately, so listen to Se on that whole vacation thing.
Regarding my personal experience, Ni works best at night. Being forced to Ni with constant external triggers during daytime can drive me mad
Also with leading NI it's important to be aware of its tendency to "experience" things and possible outcomes in the head, and later feel like you already lived through them, and then don't actually experience them in the real world with all their chaos and mutations, because you already "know" how the're like.
Ni is a gem💎 and our most valuable asset (intj/infj)
Amen from ENFJ too💪‼️😃
@@Dani-jo9yr pa i ovde si🤣🤣🤣🤣❤❤❤
@@7natasa2 😅😂🤣Hey This girl is like you INTJ, pretty great in explaining it all! Check her out‼️
Ti si živi sou😁💕
“You realise that your own consciousness is steps behind what your Ni is doing all of the time.”
Truth. I think about Sherlock Holmes saying “Intuitions are not to be ignored. They represent data processed too fast for the conscious mind to comprehend.”
I believe Ni is the reason why I obsess with story based games with lore and especially the ones where you make certain choices that affect how the story will end. I usually make the most positive choices in those games and try to incorporate that mindset in real life so my life will go how I desire it to be
Wow this video has some funny timing. So, my friends are ENFP and INFP and they mentioned wanting to open an etsy shop a week or two ago and my brain immediately went to, "okay, so what are the steps to doing this?" and started the categorization process you mentioned in the video. I didn't want to bring it up and rain on their parade because I don't think they realized the work that would need to be put in lol. Their brains literally go "ooh shiny" and bounce to the next idea or concept while I'm still fleshing out a mental outline of the previous concept - INFJ
Yup exactly haha
So true! 🤣
Exactly where I am this week. Driving me nuts. Is it easier just to tell them NO as soon as they mention it?
You just described my boyfriend who is an INFP, have so many ideas, 99% of them not practical, and always bouncing between them.
You don't normally have to talk an np out of doing something. Another idea will come before they can logistically start. -intp
" I want to run an online store!" that part hit me so hard. I hear business ideas all day and it just makes my head go into pure stress mode as i am already envisioning everything they need to do, problems they will encounter and how to beat those problems before they start and then I have to catch myself and say "this person isn't actually going to follow through - so stop thinking about it"
This explanation of Ni makes me realize just how much I am doing it all of the time. It is interesting to consider just how much one function can be running the show
I appreciate Ni so much. Gotta work real hard with Se to compensate and make it accurate, but gosh it's efficiency is everything.
I just trust my instincts. Saves a lot of time toiling over the details. I can show my work if I have to but that just takes longer to get to the same place.
One thing I've been digging deeper into is how each function is being used in normal every occurrences so that I can type people better. Even though I'm an INTJ I don't know how I would identify Ni in another person since it's such a quiet function and is happening entirely in one's mind.
I find this hard too. Maybe an idea for another LiJo video?
@@valerievaughn5495 i think that about the stare a person have can tell about Ni
Lol
@@abetteryou4228 Sometimes I feel as if I’m coming off as an alien to high Fe users
Generally an Ni dom, his vibe is calm/wise or determinate depending of the situation, aware of what happen around, analyze, walk like a wandering soul, as if he was lost on this planet, always thinking, for very in the present, on his head/mind most of the time, meditate, a philosopher visionnary.
When I want to test someone for Ni I drop subtle hints of something (typically something that isn't actually the case) and see how their behavior changes. If their behavior seems to suggest that they have decided that the hinted thing is true and they have adjusted their plans accordingly I have some confidence they are an Ni user. For example, I act slightly less friendly towards them, enough that most people would likely assume it is a bad mood. The Ni user will likely notice and has a tendancy to assume or suspect: I am an enemy, they need to be more subtle, they need to do gestures of kindness or affection, or there is a threat acting on me such as a rumor about them. They won't usually act on these things immediately like how an Fe user might immediatly try to make you feel better. They are likely to consider this for a little bit and then the change will occur once they have determined what they believe to be the best course of action. - an intj
So well explained. I focus on shutting off my ni to enjoy playing sports and other things. But I never had it so well verbalized, as ni being 3 steps ahead of my consciousness, or “running the whole show”. Thanks.
It gets scary the deeper you dive on its understanding
Now I am an older and wiser infj I have decided not to expend my energy pointing out obvious oncoming train wrecks to idiots. 🚂 choo choo...
🚂 lmao
I wish I could but the word just come out
I kind of stopped doing it during my late teens. People found it annoying and thought I was being an obnoxious know it all.
But like…I’d like to know this stuff if I was in this situation. Wouldn’t you?
I’ve never understood why so many people are so content with just…living like that. XD But ehh…choo choo away. 🚂-INFJ
And then when the plan falls apart as you said it would..... they dislike you or they follow your advice and succeed and they don't want to admit that you were right..... and they still dislike you. I'm not arrogant 🤦♂️, just painstakingly aware of chaos. Chugga chugga 🚂🙃🤷♂️. - INFJ
How many times did I say _"I told you so..."_ ?
To many times!
I'm so done wasting my energy. I figured out some people need to feel the burn, for themselves...
to deeply understand "What - Not - To - Do".
🚂 Choo Choo... - INFJ
Really good description, especially when you go over the thought process of a newbie to finding out you hav NI. You described the exact mental process. INTJ here. Something added to that is that I am always thinking. I mean always thinking. Until recently I did not realize that I can meditate and live in the present and think “nothing” for a short time. Wow! What a concept to have a short break from thinking. It has been a life changer!
-ISTP
Okay, so basically Ni is my most neglected function. Ti and Se is defenetly natural for me, you know the stereotypical ISTP tinkering with things, DIY, working on... well any machine that i have or had, and the casual building a racecar in the backyard...
And i grew up surrounded with feelers, so even tho MBTI is pretty new for me i on porpose worked on Fe since i was like 12 because i knew that this feelings crap wasn't really my thing. So i learned how people do these feeling things from youtube lol.
In school i usually got away with minimal effort, so until recently i never. really needed to throw time and energy into planning. Therefore i succ with Ni
My sister is ISTP and I am till this day surrounded by Te aux (husband INTJ and mother ISTJ) and Ti doms and aux. So as an INFJ my Ti became quite strong and despite being sometimes still stubborn with my Te, I can accept opinions more easely and create a productive routine in general. In conclusion, my advice is to surround yourself with healthy Ni doms or aux.
As a Ni (INTJ), now I hope others can understand why changing the goal or target can be so frustrating for us.... now I have to start back at zero, xonsider other potential interruptions or chaos, block for those as I run my simulations again, and why was it so important to throw out my almost-constructed strategy?!
LOL
There are real weaknesses to this type.
Anyways, also appreciate @Lijo laying out the ways our brain works in such a concise way that others will understand. Great video!
At last someone has explained Ni with a concrete example that's rendered it understandable. Thank you LiJo! Turns out, I use this cognitive function a lot.
People get irritated with me because I do this. It's like, you push a button, just confront me with any possible topic or scenario in life, and the Ni runs on auto pilot
It is auto pilot 😬
Is anyone else experiencing a sort of Ni paralysis sometimes ?
Having a vision or wish and thinking of an overall map of what could be done to bring it to reality, but the outside world full of things never going the right way or the fear of failure/imperfection just... block it from materializing. Or rather block you from taking concrete steps to make it happen (note that as INFJ I sadly do not possess the Te superpower ;) )
Anyway, I guess it's related to some Se that needs serious work. LOL
The sensory is a major blocker. The effort required to get past it... is real lol
infj - Yes
@@theirishpoet8098 it's not an official MBTI term, just how I chose to describe that certain state of stagnancy !
I'll cry about it at times and then make this bulletproof strategy with perfectly laid out plan but I still won't get it done... Thanks weak Se. -_-
Ni: Pattern seeking, comparison and recognition (But, yes, you need to use Se to test whether it might be a false pattern!); Organizing things in time and space; or analyzing and understanding the organizing principles, processes and workflows behind something -- why it is the way it is, or what you have to do to make it happen, or to make it better. All of this, 24/7.
As an ENFJ I realized that I have to decide to completely stop doing some cognitive functions in order to do other cognitive functions.
its like find shortcuts. I always am just looking for shortcuts.
It's scary how relatable this is.
How you explain Ni here is really Te oriented ! Might not apply to INFJs
While it might be difficult for me to consciously pick out fine detail, my Intuition will sort of take a photo of the entire situation and begin running scenarios. Others may crudely call this a "hunch", but I see it as a very sophisticated system of unconscious mental processing.
I see it the same way. Especially in my field of work which I've been in 25+ years. I just know. If I have to, I can take the time to figure out why I think X will work better than Y and explain it to other people. That often wastes time but sometimes you have to slow down and let other catch up. Sort of INTJ meets the book Blink (Galdwell 2005).
I literally run social simulations all the time. INFJ stuff
Yeee
Yuppp same
Same! Just after having conversations, really old conversations or for future conversations. I've been wondering lately if that's why I sometimes get a continuous déjà vu experience while having a conversation (on a subject that has not been up before) and I already know who is going to say what moments before they do 😂 anyone else do this? 🤣
@@JellyIsland huh interesting theory about deja vu
@@JellyIsland great observation!
As an entp I’m only now realizing just how much ni I’m using lol I’ve been very interested in the shadow functions recently because I need to decide my career path (where you kinda have to box yourself in in some way) and I’ve noticed that focusing on one idea only brings out the intj shadow in me. Just wanted to stop by and say I really enjoy your videos as they give a good insight into how specific functions work
It's also important to slow down. Which can be very challenging for some types. Learning this has changed my life. -ENTJ
This was great, I had no idea Ni was so practical.
Yep. Took a while for my consciousness to catch up, but being INTJ I'm very familiar with this and have made it a conscious effort now. Helps when talking to others who come up with half baked plans and ideas.
Sometimes there's more than one answer to a question, like with trajectories you basically have two options due to how the quadratic equation works -- and you instinctively know it and can feel the routes when going to throw a given item: lower and faster below 45 degrees, and higher but longer time to avoid an intermediate object above 45 degrees. Then you can factor in wind resistance either simulation wise before throwing or calibrate after the first throw essentially.
Either way though, the simulation of the event before hand, and the instinctual feeling of parabolic trajectories, those are Ni usage. But also the cloudlike feeling of time, and the nagging feeling of something needing to be done when timing some event (like cooking, if you go by your gut you can be right there the moment a timer starts beeping even if there's no display for counting down.) Or in strategy games, you can guess how things will play out.
I used to play the Command & Conquer series of games, and in Generals or Zero Hour IIRC, they have the most predictable AI. It's hilarious. Playing as the nuke general, I'd set up a couple atomic cannons and have them attack ground along the path where the enemy kept sending their troops. Extra crispy. Or when playing one of the Merican factions, laser or air, I'd have snipers and rocket troopers in helicopters to act as movable defense towers that worked against both vehicles and infantry, while building up a ton of attack helicopters to systematically swarm the enemy's skies.
Chess isn't necessarily as fun, I somewhat like Risk and Stratego better. I did recently study Bobby Fischer's book, but I don't really have anyone to play against in person. I had played against my nephew a couple years ago, and he won the first game, but the second game he didn't notice how my queen was free to clear up his side until too late and he didn't want to play again it seems. He's an ISTP, so far as I can tell. My dad was an ISTP as well, at least as well as I can guess based on faded memories, as he died of lung cancer back when I was 13 in 1999. Fun times. -_-
Ni is literally a superpower.
I loved this explanation! And the more you run these scenarios the more you can categorize specific outcomes for each! Also, you go Lindsay, checking that the audio was working. The sensory chaos doesn't stand a chance 😂
As an Infj this is my NI in action:
Person: *tells me they got in a car accident and needs advice*
*Me thinking inwardly:*
NI: Well since I never been in an accident like that, I can vividly imagine you in the car accident, visualize what kind of car you have that I never seen, know how badly the car is messed up and even visualize where you got the car accident.
FE: Well I can see you are shaken up from the accident and isn’t physically hurt which is good but I get the sense that it scarred you mentally which is bad and I don’t want you to feel worse than you already are cause it would break my heart if I did and I don’t know how to make you feel better.
TI: Well gathering the visualization and the physical observation, I can conclude that you need to contact the car insurance to access the damage of the vehicle and see if you can sue the person who hit your car. After that you can then seek physical help in case you are harmed and also a bit of therapy so that way you don’t develop anxiety while driving from this experience.
Se: Well now that we gathered this information, we need to focus on the present and not in the past or future and tell them the information that we gathered.
Me: *tells them all this*
Person: *listens to my advice but never takes it seriously*
many of those who talk on RUclips about Ni are not even INTJ, and talk about a function they don´t understand, thanks for the video
I’m guessing my second function (Ni) developed very early in life. Growing up, I was fixated on becoming a Meteorologist and almost everything I did in my late childhood was towards achieving this goal. My devotion was so intense I spent many years drifting around wondering “well now what?” after I earned my degrees. I’d imagine many in my field are Ni dominant because our job is to sift through the chaos and present one unified concept of how we think the weather will be in the near term in a given location.
I’ve learned to keep this to myself, since people don’t seem to appreciate it when within a couple of seconds of them sharing an idea, I point out potential pitfalls, flaws, ‘things-to-keep-in-mind’, ‘have-you-thought-of’, ‘what-probably-needs-to-be-done-first-for-this-to-work’ (or is that Te?),...
My goal is just to try help them succeed, but it seems many people prefer to go in blind.
And the often inevitable ‘I told you so’ is also something I now keep for my own entertainment... (is that evil? :-D )
My ex husband did this about everything. Everything. Ex.
This exercise you mentioned basically sums up my thought process for most things in life... Dom Ni sucks. It's scary how much I can't get done because I'm focused on creating perfect systems in my mind instead of doing anything at all because my process isn't perfect enough yet (and it probably never will be). My counselor said I need to stop finding flaws in things and just do it step by step cz "done is better than perfect" but I can't turn it off that easily! It's useful too because I plan amazingly but I need to learn how to control it...😅
That really helps me (ISTJ) because when I'm planning I get so lost on details that I give up.
Thank you for that Si insight!
A very fine video as always - my one possible criticism is that this seems like a relatively Te -oriented example, which is of course very natural for you to offer and clearly makes sense to you. But to try and be a nudge more specific, it feel to me like possibly what you've explained here is the process of Te in action in the world overall, and that the Ni at the core of the process remains mysterious.
I'm not sure I experience Ni as anything like the detail of "have they thought about this or that?" so much as the pretty much immediate internal awareness of "yeah, that'll probably work" (or "huh, well they'll be bankrupt in 6 months"). But that's a purely internal output: it's an impression in my mind, not especially something I have to say/do anything about. How I respond after that immediate experience is a valuing/judging function, ie: a Fx/Tx function. But Nx, like Sx, is a perceiving function, right? It's the apprehension of the kinda "gestalt" of the situation - not the experience of what to *do* especially.
It strikes me that the Ni part of the process is when the possibilities of a situation collapse into a singularity of internal certainty - that's my analogy from my experience of Ti, which as a tertiary process for me I feel more able to catch sight of. Of course, by now you will have noticed that this whole explanation is a heap of Ti-tertiary nonsense because I certainly don't have any facts or figures to back this up! It's just my internal model - I guess my way of trying to understand Ni.
I wonder if the *best* illustration of Ni in the video is the bit where part of you - without really consciously thinking about it, or making any particular plans - intuitively explored the situation and went "hmm, let's just check the sound out".
As ever, just some INFJ noodling. No criticism implied or intended - keep up the good work!
When I was a kid, I wrote a lot of short stories, and the way I came up with my ideas was I pretended everything already happened and by writing it down, all I did was put it on paper. I had no idea that was Ni.
Ahhhhh finally! That makes so much sense. As you’re speaking I’m like “why is she running through all these scenarios that may never happen?” Just get on with it and figure it out as you go. You’ll never be able to avoid the chaos. As long as you cover the major issues everything else can be figured out. In short... an mvp, a minimum viable product.
So damn good. Thank you 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
And I apologize that reads a little bit like a bull in a china shop. I got overzealous when I realized what my two middle functions were constantly feuding over. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
So glad it hit with you on that level!!
Yes, this is exceedingly helpful. I thought I had to be just vibe with reality to accomplish Ni (INFJ's are supposedly psychic), but it turns out my job regularly praises me for distilling big ideas down to 'the best path forward. So, I'm farther along than I thought.
Just an ISFP trying to develope Ni. It's usually blocked by my Fi not to think too far because I'd feel stressed out by the problems so Se will step in to relief my mind (doing what needs to be done first).
However, my Ni sometimes dominates when I'm in a group discussion. I'd see possible outcomes and think of problems that may come up (in this state, my future-self is speaking 🤣) but it's usually limited because of Se. Yeah.... Se likes to slap my Ni in the face.
I just find Ni-Te so interesting. How they can guess and act accordingly then seeing the guess becomes reality is just..... Wow. ✨
For a long time I had problems with realizing me having ni as my dominant function, while having that problem I didn’t think of the possibility of me being anything else rather than ni dom , I had this pressure of needing to prove that I am or not ni dom first before looking toward any other directions, so I started searching what’s it’s like being ni dom and asking about it plus studying the functions, all to prove that one possibility of being ni, watching your video made me realize that my goal was to prove that I was ni dom while narrowing down all the information to reach it I have finally got to it, such a great explanation it got me to what I was aiming for it’s good that I didn’t have it all wrong.
I'm pretty sure my brother is intj, I'm intp and my mom is infp. My mom wants to move across the country. My brother says, "What about this, what about that, what if this, what if that?" I say, "Go for it. If you really end up doing it at all, you'll figure it out. If it doesn't work out, you can change your mind and do something else." My mom prefers my feedback, of course, but I have to explain to her that my brother is not trying to crush her dreams, he just cares about her and doesn't want her to end up in a bad situation.
Very well described of something that is hard to define. Introverted functions require self assessment with blinders. It takes the societal aspects into contempt. Ni is not only similar to to a mate in 10 with regards to chess. It is a direct relation to universal truths that can't be defined as in the case of dividing anything by zero. Zero is Ni.
The practical examples with the online store really helped me understand Ni better 😜
I am an INTP and I find Ni very useful, comfortable and actually exciting function personaly. Making online tests I've always got high Ti and Ni and I was sure that I am an INTJ or INFJ for months, but I came to the answer that I should be an INTP, who didn't notice his Ti hero. And it can be difficult to participate Ti from Ni sometimes. Anyway, when I was sured that I'm an Ni dom I learned how to use Ni on another level, well now I use it a lot. Thank you, Ni users for your content)
LiJo,
I'm an INTJ, too. I run these scenarios when trying to record videos for my channel.....even after, I've written a script. Good for you for being able to stick to the script or speaking impromptu. I know how difficult that is.
Achieving the most with the least, Ni
This is fantastic. I saw someone else mention that this is normal...and for me it is so far from normal. I think I'm starting to understand Ni more after watching your videos so hopefully I can actually put some of this into play now. I literally just thought "I probably need to research more, though", and then remembered that I don't have time to do that. 😅
Thank you that’s encouraging to hear :) what’s your type? And please let me know what comes into practice easily with Ni and what is hard. That helps me triangulate my explanations better!
FF Se/Fi CP/S(B)
My Ni seems to present itself as a paranoid child, to be quite frank. 🙈 I'll let you know how it goes as I try to keep your explanations in mind.
Whenever i want to do achieve something I think abt all the parts it involves then when I find them hard to achieve I just drop the whole thing 💀
Holy shit dude i thought i was having an issue with backwards rationalization or I had a higher self pulling my strings or some shit.
Thank you for making this video!
My brother is ESFP and I'm INFJ. What I find interesting is how we come to the same conclusion but from different paths. He knows things because he tried them, saw them happening (he was there) and I know things because I've read about them and simulated them in my mind. If we want the same thing and you ask us why the answer will be completely different.
INTJ: *checks the audio is on
INTJ: "Disaster avoided".
lolol
Another solid video. Ni for me is that navigator in rough choppy seas, charting the course, trying to seek land, the other functions end up steering the boat, se will try to run it ashore, or capsize it, or sometimes get you Smooth sailing. Stay the course no matter how hard se screws with you.
Great video. I'd love to see a video explaining, if applicable, how the "categories" show up when associating with people. If it's always there then it would be there when trying to read people as well, which just sounds like a special type of hell or something. I'd think there would be so much work going into any level of speaking to others, which I guess might tie into the lack wanting to small talk with others? But maybe there's some way around it, like run enough simulations or something?
I overdo the Ni...'-' excited to see the Se video :)
INTJ here who is a computer engineering major and college sure pushing Ni to its limits lol. Sometimes I have an issue where I try and piece together a complex system all in my head but it becomes to much to keep track since it’s all logic bound so writing a few things down helps a lot.
I feel like my Ni mediated by Ti does do this forecasting but it's a lot more abstract and subjective. Not that I wouldn't think somewhat similar things but when I think of someone making a business I might go into thinking about how they market themselves etc. So that they actually make sales. To me the concrete things are relatively easy and not to bed worried about too much. Like it's not hard to make a web site or a product you already know how to make.
4:23 I think this is only INTJ Ni since it's coupled with Te which understands the parts or knowledge that make the idea work, that's why INTJs are the perfect duos with ENTPs.
I'm an INFP, I wish I had some NI because I would like to simulate real things in my mind, it would be useful to my life. Ni and SE are interesting functions.
This is such a great video, it helped me understand Ni much better than I thought I did.
Nice explanation, Ms. LiJo!
I am often so focused running simulations that I give only limited attention to the Se world around me. When I try to multi-task and do stuff at the same time, I often bump into objects or execute simple, Se tasks poorly (e.g., drop stuff, write the wrong word, etc.). When I focus sufficiently on the Se world, then I cannot attend adequately to running scenario simulations or watch the interaction of objects/forces in my head. Managing this "tension of opposites" can be frustrating at times.
For me, it’s the same but I have aux Ne. I am always in my head even when walking or in the car back seat. I’m so used to being in my head that my Se is still bad and Se is my blindspot and I am aware of it.
I am never tired of my Ne cuz I’m so used to it. I am very sure I’m introvert so my second aux func is extroverted.
When I first saw this video I think it is something out of other stuff like Ni is something magical that I don't have.
But it is my whole life. I thinks that I got wrong results as INTJ and I am not an Ni dom users but I am 😮
Huh.. Sorry to disappoint, but what you described here was Te for the most part.
As an Ni dom INFJ, I can do *none* of this "see best path and categorical moves forward thing", that was all Te.
Only the pattern recognition thing was the pure Ni part.
What was described in this video is Te, using Ni to direct it self. (I know this is your only perspective ofc. as an INTJ)
ive heard that INFPs have strong Ni but I was never really sure until I watched this video lol. I do all of this pretty naturally but I think the biggest difference is that it's not something I fixate on, lol. whereas with my Ne I'm always thinking about what I could possibly do with things 😭
INFP can sometimes have Ni moments but they can’t really use it strongly cuz it’s not in their stacks. They can try using Ni cuz they can try to use their 5th function and 6th function (not naturally what they want to use) but can use only to a certain extent. With your Se blindspot, you are certified INFP.
Blindspot: 7th function we can’t use at all. We think we are using it but we use first and second function to make it look like 7th function. We think we are good at it so it causes mistypes.
That Ne aux is why you have that Se blindspot haha. I tested my certified INFP mom on Se blindspot and she really is Se blind. They use Fi and Ne to compensate or to mimick Se. I see her blindspot everyday lol.
When I type people, it’s easy to tell Se blindspot and Ne blindspot.
There was this person in my school who have Ne blindspot and it’s so obvious I see him using top two functions to compensate Ne blindspot. I see Ne blindspot everyday.
I am not too sure about Fe and Te blindspot.
sometimes Ni does make you groan in the morning....another whole day of it.....especially if you are analysing bjorn borgs similarity to the spartans, before feet have touched ground...but it is interesting and will definitley help to inform something at some time. music is best it connects all the stack for me
So that was what my head was doing, mapping futures and picking routes. Its overwhelming sometimes.
Is it safe to assume that INTJs want predictability due to high NI? If so, how do we go along with high Ne users which should need the inverse of high predictibility? Isn't this a major obstacle? Ponting more towards compatibility discussion, it may mean that the best combination would be with having a low Ne or Ni in communication with a high Ni,NE for the sake of variety.
So, now...Excellent analysis as always, and as an INTJ that is absolutely my experience. Here's the thing: I'm attempting to help a couple of INFPs get their act together (because their every email bemoans how they're going nowhere and they don't know why), and I'd have to say it's not going well. Apparently 'what do you want to achieve, what will you do today towards it' isn't in their equipment. I'm trying the 'what if taking committed action will lead you to to bigger and more exciting options and experiences?' line, now. So far, crickets. Is there another approach or do I run away?
The hard thing I had to come to accept is often, people like the "idea" or Ne "possibility" of doing something, but they don't really care or want it enough to think these things through. Now for INTJs we wouldn't put it out there if we didn't have some sort of action plan already in mind. Now I just wait, let people know I'm available to help, and let them come to me if they're serious (which most times, they are not).
@@InternetLiJo Ugh, I have to watch them flail about....
😆 yeah. *flip flop*
Oh wow as an INFP I'm so overwhelmed by this Ni simulation thing 😅 no wonder I don't function and I panic a bit in business strategy and that's why Ni users probably should work in business strategy of sorts!
ENTP here. Ni definitely doesn't come naturally to me, like at all. I have to put a lot of conscious effort to Ni solutions to a problem. I just default back to Ne when it proves too difficult.
About Ni being ahead of ones conscious thoughts is so right. When I tried to explain that to some they just rolled their eyes though. 🤷🏼♀️ I guess it sounds weird "my mind is faster than my mind! Yaay!" but I mean sometimes the things Ni tells me I question myself (especially if it's bad news about someone I know) because I don't want it to be right. So I tell myself I'm paranoid again and again even though Ni is there saying" you still don't accept this? You'll see one day.. "🤣 And who was right in the end? Ni. 😬 🤷🏼♀️ But the whole thing that most of the process is hidden from my conscious thought can make it tricky since I don't even know why I know. 😬😬//infj
Yes! It's scary too when you see yourself actioning things and then you stop and wonder why you ended up doing something a certain way, and realize your Ni already knew it was the best path.
This video gave me a stress overload, almost anxiety - An ISTP (maybe)
Oh no! How could I have made it less stressful?
@@InternetLiJo Oh well, I think it's just a problem of mine. Listening to all that planning gave me a physical sense of discomfort. Actually I gave up halfway through it... But the video itself is good, keep going, you're great 💪🏻
Ni feels overwhelming for us who don't have it.
As an INFJ...learning by doing is not my type...but most people i know...this is their approach..thats why sometimes my family and friends call me complicated
thank you LiJo! :)
Thanks for the video Lijo and happy to meet with you. So you suggest that we need to build more algorithms to checkmate. Then our ni will get better right?
My thoughts: Okay, as far as I know, if I ask this, the person can answer A, B, C, D E or F. For answer A I have 3 decent replies, let's name them A1, A2 and A3. To my answer A1 the other person may reply 2 things: A1a and A1b...
...and so, F2c3d5c2 concludes the dialogue tree. All right, let's try it out.
Me: Hey, [question]
The other person: G.
I think Ni is driving me crazy. Its 1st in my stack
I have Ni cognitive function ( INFJ A ) ,but I believe that other's personalities are also important , they have their own abilities and skills
I am an infj, so I probably use ni differently, I don't really have a goal in my mind all the time (well I don't have te-fi axis), with conjunction with fe, I like to simulate stupid social situations since I was young, with conjunction with ti, I use it for theorizing, for example i know some part of the theory are technical details that aren't that important so I can safely ignore them and for some part, I can abstract away the details to get a more general theory, slowly it is reduced to a few general principles.
I really liked the video, but I had a question: Is simulating a scenario just thinking about the possible consequences of doing something? Or is it imagining, living as if it were real (daydreaming), doing that? It wasn't clear to me, I would like to understand. Can any Ni Dom help me?
Ive been excluding so much then... I almost panicked thinking what other choices and possibilities ive missed solely from thinking im right BC ive already picked the best option...usually later ending in inner turmoil BC I was incorrect; then punishing myself into a corner of isolation. PS. Anyone ever thought how corners only provide enough room for one person...
And when I say "options I've missed", I'm talking about the options that other people see and could have contributed if I had only put down my wants and desires and what I value.
I love the “corners only provide enough room for one person” bit 😄
@@InternetLiJo also where the spiders live...
Woaaaahh I knew it, Ni is a really good and useful function, gotta polish mine though it's kinda uncomfortable doing that 😂 btw I'm infp
What I dont get is that Ni is supposed to be unconsciouss yet we are very consciously thinking about what this project and the end goal entails. Aren't we just using a thinking function here instead of intuition? Lot's of time putting 2 and 2 together happens very consciously.
I kind of disagree with the way you presented. Ni works best in areas where you have prior experience. It should then provide you with the answer out of nowhere. That is not the hard part. What should come next, if you are healthy, is Te check your result. Kind of what you describe in the video, logic through the steps to try to get to the answer. While Ni is right more often than not, it is not always right. Te checking is very important and lazy INTJs might skip this step. It is no different in chess. The best chess players do not logic out their best move. Ni give them their answer but they still double check with Te.
So Si would work best in areas with prior literal experience. Ni works best in areas of prior conceptual experience as in the understood principle can be placed over the new sensory at hand. Using an understood concept on a new situation. But I hear you!
@@InternetLiJo Brilliant book, Blink: The Power of Thinking without Thinking, by Malcolm Gladwell has described intuition extensively. It is no more mysterious than the unconscious brain processing past experience much faster than the conscious brain can. My conjecture is that Ni dominant users can utilise the unconscious brain better. But regardless, prior experience is still necessary.
EXCELLENT.
Thank you
Terrifying fact: you are always planning and looking ahead instead of actually living.
Even more terrifying fact: there's people not doing the same thing.
Ni 90% .... conscious 10% kinda just there for the ride. Hey fellow infjs.
5:29 "Ni uses conceptual categories and understood principles to align a 'best' path."
Thank you, LiJo 💜
is it a true that creating a simulation inside your head is often accompanied by a mundane repetitive activity ?
Like flickering a pen, or walking (which I think I do a lot)
Ni is pure executive function, change my mind. (PS I have none. INTP w/ ADHD diagnoses)
I narrow down compulsively - trying organize ideas to make something happen and I brainstorm the shit out of it, taking it apart and finding all the necessary pieces to make the thing work (finding the pieces to make it work, not actually making it work) and then I’m like fuck that and I run off to the next big idea to narrow down. I generally can’t keep going with the thing I found unless it is set aside but kept close because it connect to my new thing that I’m narrowing down. I get stuck in this. I feel like I enjoy the deep dive but compulsively leave it unworkable to find something new. I don’t know if this is Ne or Ni.
Ne
Sounds a bit more like Ne. Ni is less inclined to “channel change” as we call it :)
@@InternetLiJo thank you!
So if iv’e understood, when u use Ni, u imagine many possible futurs for one thing, and then pick the best futur, and set aside all the others ? Like walking down the street, u imagine EVERYTHING that could happen while u are walking, and u take ur precautions to follow the best « vision » u have made ???
I really liked the video, but I didn't understand that part either. If you can respond, I would be very grateful.
@@claudiapatricia4038 Hey, so basically, Ni is about patterns and intuition.
Ni doms (INTJ’s and INFJ’s) instinctively know things (strong intuition). Like they will feel when something’s off (Ni working here). Ni is kind of 50% understanding hidden meanings and patterns, and logically process them, and also 50% deep human intuition.
Conclusion :
Ni is a function working on hidden patterns and meaning to strengthen the already present intuition, helping the individual navigate through a situation with a knowledge of what will happen.
You don’t know how you know it, you just do.
These simulations are often running in mind while seeking more information-data for the running in-mind simulation. Insufficient information-data can prolong this process due to not being able to work out a viable-acceptable solution. At some point, the solution appears. At times completely random or after some passage of time. Once the solution has appeared, downloaded and done, the mind goes off to work on another simulation.
As an ENTP, Ni sounds exhausting. I’ll get back to my naval gazing
I mean, if there is nobody gazing at navals, is life even worth living?