Fish two local clubs they both have lost almost half the members due to ffs. It’s no fun just donating money if you don’t have ffs. So yeah I’m seeing it too.
I quit after 30 years of weekly jackpots and club tourneys on Table Rock.. Sold all my stuff. No longer a competition of skill, it's a dick measuring contest... no thanks.
I made an account just to reply here. I’m seeing the same thing in Kentucky. Our 2 local clubs have lost over half their members. Look at BFL attendance as well. Especially in highland lake divisions where it especially dominates. People don’t care any more. I’ve had FFS for 3 years now and the honeymoon is over. I wish it was dead and gone so I could enjoy fishing again. And yes I’ve kicked some ass with it, it’s just the same thing over and over to me and it’s killed the variety for me. And killed my two favorite fishing clubs
Those that want to tell others how to fish and telling everyone ffs is killing fishing, no, all you being Karen's is causing a huge turn off to fishing. You don't like it quit fishing. Over pressures, I live in S. Cal, it's over pressured more then anywhere and the lakes are smaller. I can tell you fish adapt and ffs isn't as big a player as it was 3yrs ago.
All the Karen’s complaining about FFS who will pull a single male off a bed allowing every egg to be consumed by panfish are hypocrites use your brain and tell me what’s more detrimental
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this very crazy subject , I like the analogy of Major League base ball not allowing Aluminum bats , yes I love hitting home runs , deep left balls , but understand why they limit it at their level , I love catch bass and have 360 and use to find more pint point structure, but maybe we look at eliminating FFS for tournaments. I tired of the arguments for sure . The worst thing is the cost to fish competently now is through roof , and the technology has pushed this out of reach for most who wish to compete , back on the day LOL , 150 max HP , sonar cost where low , no power poles to bye , gas was cheap , anyway thanks again
The argument is stupid of “you catch more bass” which is the GOAL of fishing. You can hit the ball further in golf and baseball which is the GOAL of both sports with advanced tech but they don’t allow it.
The spot lighting argument is stupid . Not even close to the same thing. It’s not fishing! Well that’s an original comment . We’ve never heard that before ! Well some people think it is fishing. But I’m sure you’re more important than they are. I’m not even a big fan of ffs . But these comments childish!
@@timg185 how’s it different? Never said I was more important than anyone…never even thought that. But I do have a right to my opinion. And that’s all it is my opinion. And it’s worth as much as anyone else’s. Childish? You mean like name calling on line?
@@michaelpotter3667 I never called you a name. It’s not the same as spot lighting because when you spot light a deer. You stun the deer in place so you can shoot it and kill it. In fishing you still have to coax the fish to bite. It’s a living creature that’s moving and you have to follow it when it leaves or find another target. Now , I preferred tournament fishing before FFS. But saying it’s not fishing is like saying vanilla ice cream isn’t ice cream because you don’t like it. Arguing that it is changing the sport to much and not following the traditions of the sport is valid . Arguing that is not as entertaining to watch on tv is valid. Most of the other arguments are not true or is still unknown. They are just used to bash something they don’t like so they can get their way. Hence my childish comment. I never said you were childish. I said the argument was childish. Most people are just repeating what they see online because it sounds good.
It has killed my local tourney scene so you are gonna what you ask for in tourneys, but people will still fish. But they won’t donate to those of us with FFS anymore and I don’t blame them. Heck I’m getting bored with my 126SV and LV34. I’d gladly only practice with it and lock my transducer out on tourney day to get some more participation back in my area
You said it in one statement. ITS EASIER. That is whole issue of the thing. Shooting fish in barrell. Plus everyone mentions "we are learning so much about bass". We dont need to know EVERYTHING.
You can shoot more deer with thermal imaging. Is it sporting? You're whole goal is more without additional skill. If you need to use naval technology to catch one more bass - you need to find a new line of work.
This is a really good point that I hadn't even thought of...all the tackle companies should be pissed! FFS is reducing tackle to a very particular type/size...typically finesse.
Fine for us average Joes! Trash to be allowed in the Pros! “The tech allows an angler to have a live interaction with your bait and the fish”! Just the simple fact of this statement speaks for itself! Yes, we all know that it’s an art to perfect! It’s not easy! Blah blah blah! We can all use the amazing tech to learn fish behavior! But, when it comes to tournament time, it’s time to live up to the term professionalism!
I think it’s having a bad outcome on tourney participation in my part of the world. I’m in two clubs that normally drew 50+ boats that have drawn 10-15 all spring in the best time of the year. It’s messing with local tourneys just as much or more than pro ones
Two thoughts: 1) It seems that bass fishing has become solely a rich man's game, if you want to catch more bass. 2) I think the best analogy to eliminating forward facing sonar in competitive tournaments would be the way stock car racing limits all cars to virtually identical equipment so that the competition is between drivers, and not technology.
Thanks JT, that was a real and honest of opinion of how you feel. The same people complaining about ffs were complaining about side scan, down scan, etc. back 15 years ago. I’m 62 and I use it because catching is more fun than just fishing. If everyone is honest with themselves their MOST memorable trips were when they caught them!
Imo it needs to be left out of competition. I don’t care about people just catching a few fish with FFS, but tournaments are almost all dominated by it now. It’s got monotonous to just chase fish around all day pitching baits at them till they bite or your decide to pick a new target. I’ve used it for 3 years and the honeymoon is over. Tourney fishing is taking a shit in my area because of it. Nobody even cares to show up because of the few of us who can use FFS proficiently
I guess professional baseball should allow aluminum bats and golf should take restrictions off of clubs and balls so everyone can drive all the par 5's
JT: Can’t both sides reach a compromise? Half of the tournaments using FFS. Half without. Will the electronics sponsors still fork out big bucks to sponsor this hybrid model? I love fishing! I love catching! I love releasing most of what I catch (pan fish taste mighty good!) I’m concerned on the impact on our fisheries. Will we catch and keep to many fish and ruin our beloved sport? Loved to hear your option on this. Thanks. Stay safe! God Bless.
I agree with the middle of the road approach - If everyone has access there is no issue. Some limitations may be needed after that love it or leave it.
Many good comments about rules applied in other sports to even out the competition or keeping it interesting to the public. You guys changed my mind. I was pro FFS but now I think it should b banned in competition (maybe not in practice?) just to keep it interesting for the public.
As a “scoper” myself I have finally come to that thought myself. Practice you can use it to find some. Tourney day, transducer has to be locked out like they do on TAA (Touring Anglers Association). Tbh my local clubs have halved in participation and it sucks. No one is showing up especially if they don’t have FFS. Hard to have a good tourney when your club goes from 40 boats to 10-15 boats :(
It kills the bass protection from high 🎣 pressure when you don't have to idle over them to find them. FFS just look around fish fish fish and you may not catch any of those fish but now they are vulnerable. Those are the fish to live to spawn next season unhandled so much. I rather catch a 10 in 3ft shallow than me seeing it in 20 ft and can't see me. Am I working the bait right am I going to fast. Should I use the twitch twitch method. It's gonna hurt years to come because everyone ain't releasing bass because of no FKG bass tournament. Just hooking them hurts to.
Perfect Example; i was fishing canals in SW FL. Water is about 8 feet deep. It's full of eel grass.i couldn't see the bass but I could see the holes in the grass at 50 feet. Caught a bunch of fish, never saw one before I hooked it
I just find it amusing the way people justify stuff. Wonder why deer hunters aren't allowed to use infrared scopes yet here anglers are practically doing the exact same thing with fishing. Takes a whole lot less of a "pro" to catch a fish when you use a 100 years of technology to do it. Guess that would explain the reason kids as you said catch more fish when they can actually see them. Sort of debunks the whole argument "just because you see them doesn't mean you can catch them". All this time I thought fishing was a sport, a competition, between men/women pitting their skill and knowledge against the fish not what Garmin Lowrance etc. can sell anyone to make up for their lack of skill and knowledge. Yes technology is good airplanes do make commuting long distances generally much better but to compare commuting to a competition is apples and oranges. The same with race cars there are professional classes that don't allow every technological advantage known to be used. For the same reason deer hunters don't get infrared. Once you take the hurdles out of the hurdle race are you really hurdle racing? Finding the fish especially the good fish was the hurdle in most cases. All I'm saying is I do not see this technology helping the sport long term. As stated who will be watching fishing in 10 years if all you see is a anglers back? Not like fishing has ever had the biggest audience and yet here they allow something to turn more away. Same with the anglers and all these high dollar electronics. How many average guys would ever attempt to try and compete knowing it would take a $200,000 rig to just be competitive. On the flip side what is to be gained by using FFS at the professional level? A few more fish caught by less and less skilled anglers? We all know they wont get rid of them there is too much money behind it. Its always about the money. Obviously its not about the sport or its spectators or they would have pulled the reigns back when they had 2 screens and were trying to put 3,4, and 5 on the boat. A true professional fisherman should have no problem going man vs man not who has the most technology.
For the everyday angler, or weekend angler, or whatever you want to call them I totally agree with you. If there is tool that helps a guy get on fish faster or catch a few more fish, yeah I all game. I have livescope and I like it ,and I think it does have its place but I don't believe that place is in professional fishing. The tours banned a bait because they said it was unfair chase for these guys yet they think this is okay. I believe that is what has most people fired up. If it is all about catching more bass on the professional level then let them use the Alabama rig, or for that matter live shinners, water dogs, and crawfish. Again Im all about the average dude or someone not competing at the highest level using it to help them put as many fish in the boat as they can but as pro fishing a pro circuit I think they should not be allowed to use it on competition days.
@@scottreece2421 With bed fish you are catching aggressive bass that will bite to protect their bed, not because they are hungry. You do not need FF sonar. Not much skill there. You are then preventing them from spawning or protecting their bed by removing them. With FF sonar you still need to make them bite and then you can return them unharmed without damaging the resource. Big difference. If you want to make a comparison, I guess you could say FF sonar is the same as using polarized sunglasses. You can see bass under water in real time that you would not normally see.
Hey JT….off the target….seems like the Headwaters catch rates and sizes are down ( still a great place). Can you do a video on what you see as the status and recommendations to improve our catches? Thank you. Keep it up.
JT - I frequent your stomping grounds when the St. Johns River, Lake Winder and Lake Poinsett are too shallow to safely navigate. You have the most objective view I have heard.
Good stuff JT. There are pros and cons to it for sure. Have MLF and BASS considered having some tournaments where it’s allowed, and some where it’s not? Seems like that would be a good compromise.
Great video JT, and watching FFS or someone using 2D like they have forever is no different you are still looking at their backs. I am with you, I just want to catch more fish!!!
I’m with you all the way!! It is what it is!! I finally bought ffs and think it let’s you see underwater habitat and how fish react also it’s pretty freaking cool to see the under water
It’s awesome at first. But when you begin to rely on it you will find that it’s “magic” wears off for most. Thats why you are hearing more backlash about it now. Lots of early adopters like myself are starting to understand it’s monotony and that we must depend on it in competition. That’s not what I signed up for, and I ain’t the only one…. I will admit that the first few months with FFS was pretty dang fun, 3 years in, I loathe it. And I’m good with it. Can’t imagine guys that can’t get the hang of it very well
I have several points. I spoke at the Hog Trough at a sport show in NY over the winter and asked the audience who had it and nobody had it. The we didn’t know that we didn’t know the fish were out there and you couldn’t catch them. My Grandfather new they were there before sonar and we caught them trolling a flat fish. I could see them as soon as he bought a little green box and I could catch them on live bait or trolling. As far as not being able to compete without it I haven’t seen any evidence that I can’t compete without it. That might be true at the pro level but at the club and local level I think it hurts guys that aren’t that good in the first place. I commented on a short of a screen shot that “It’s not fishing “ and I got 800 likes so there’s definitely a problem. Personally I’d rather see they drop the bans on Jet Drives, Tunnels and 20 other things than add another ban. Now that would be fun to watch!
Most young anglers and many more seasoned anglers are for FF sonar. The youth of today is the future of the sport. Catch and release, closed season during the spawn, fizzing, creel limits and slot limits will do more to protect the sport than banning FF sonar.
I’m wanting to buy it and put it on my boat for my HS team but want to wait and see what the bass tournament organizations do as far as new rules. The other argument I hear against this is it’s just like spotlighting deer. NO IT’S NOT. First off you’ve got to get the fish to bite and that doesn’t always happen. If it were spot lighting all the bass seen on the FFS sonar would be caught and die; get to swim in hot grease. That doesn’t happen so loose the spot light analogy. Do I believe it needs to be regulated? Yes absolutely. There needs to be a limit on how many units can be on a boat. How many sonars can be at the bow and console, how high they can be mounted etc for safety and cost stand points. My two cents.
Your delusional twenty year old kids taking B.A.S.S. TROPHIES , MONEY FROM PROFESSIONAL BASS FISHERMAN THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD SPENDING THERE MONEY FOR DECADES. These kids without F.F.S. AND DADDYS MONEY WOULDNT HAVE A SNOWBALLS CHANCE IN HELL. WAKE UP LOL😂 BAN IT
Is this an crazy question because I don't know myself and want the answer is there away to use forward facing sonar by taking a little pressure off of the fish to catch em better because of the amount of pressure if you on em but can you be back a little bit and still catch em. I ask because it is an skill without fish finders and fishing sonar I have adapted to catching alot of em bass in general. So is it possible to do it on forward facing sonar and on all theses other fishing sonar's as well? If so I'm doing because I like catch more fish too.
I don't think FFS is ruining tournament fishing but it has changed it. Those who are the most successful at using FFS to locate fish overall will finish higher in the standings and catch many more fish the majority of the time simply because they can see if they are actually fishing fish, or not.
Do you think the electronics companies will jump on board with the advertisements monetization? Such as, pricing the units lower for the regular guys but then every few minutes just like this RUclips video have pop-up ads scroll across they're units?
I bet 90% of these guys against FFS all have power poles, trolling motors that lock them in place, Hummingbird mapping and sidescan and call themselves "old schoolers."
You really think that high tech anchors are even in the same league as FFS? Get outta here with that trolling motor stuff. But if you wanna go that route, you can still fish without a trolling motor on structure and stuff. Go catch those free roaming suspenders without FFS. Come on down to Dale and you use 2d and I’ll use scope and we will see if it’s really an advantage or not lol
I know it's an advantage and I have no problem with it. All I was saying is all these old schoolers use every other piece of technology they can put in or on a boat and think nothing about it but when these guys that have put in the time to learn and excel in FFS they want to get rid of it.
I can’t say that I’m necessarily for it or against it. What I will say, is I don’t watch the tournaments anymore like I used to. I used to look forward to the live streams, but now it’s the most boring thing I’ve ever watched. The other thing about FFS is, most blue-collar working fisherman have a hard time spending that much money on that kind of technology just to go fishing. Yes, love, catching fish, but I’ve been doing it for nearly 40 years without that technology, and until I can afford it, I’ll continue to do so.
As it's going, no fish will be able to hide. That's pretty much what your saying. Needs to have restrictions on it. Or everybody will be fishing your spots it's taking years to find those sweet spots😂
JT your a funny guy! I know your having to much fun with this FFS ! That’s why I like to watch you and you have a lot of fun fishing that’s why I subscribed! Most of the other fishermen don’t even talk, I like your opinions on FFS and you might like mine- I think the only person that will benefit from FFS is a chiropractor! Yes those fisherman will be going to one to get there back and neck straightened out! But I bet in a couple of years they will look like a 90 year old man all bent over and there chin resting on there chest! The guy I feel sorry for is the camera man in the boat that has to film a fisherman’s ass all day! LMAO!!! Have a laugh on me ! I’m 69 years old and loving this stuff and the pro’s wine about everything! Keep the faith brother! And keep having fun, I’ll be watching! 👍🥸🙏
This isn't fishing, just like spot lighting isn't hunting. Sports like baseball and golf have banned certain technology. Why shouldn't pro fishing do the same? I can't buy the argument you can't stop technolgy. That's just BS. FFS should be banned. Watching fishing on television sucks now. Until these tournament organizations grow pair and stop worrying about the sponsorship from the companies that make these electronics, it's going to continue to suck. Fishing use to be a sport for the common man and now it's become an elitist sport with 100k boats and expensive electronics.
a lot of super deep fish are being caught, that wont survive, even if fizzed and immediately released. but that is acceptable to MLF, as the culling of dead fish is LEGAL in BFL and TOYOTA series! talk about that, jt!
Technology has advanced in bass fishing since the beginning and for the most part we have welcomed it, but now we have something a little pricey, and it doesn’t fit everyone’s style fishing, so there is resistance and some going as far as wanting to ban it. I admit it does seem ridiculous to have five FFS transducers on a boat, so I could see tournaments limiting to one or maybe two. I’m watching major league fishing today and I’m reminded that some of these guys near the top not too long ago we’re battling at Cherokee Lake using down imaging and sonar and a Damiki rig. And don’t even get me started about us good old southern boys the first time we saw a Flogger being used. Oh my gosh, people were screaming and cheaters cheaters. Like someone had just invented it and come to find out fisherman on Northern Lakes have been using it for decades. 😂
JT, big fan, my problem is these young kids winning big tournaments would not be winning if they didn't have FFS. I don't think there is any argument here. They just don't have the experience. Take it away for 1 year and you will see a change in the standings.
Let them catch fish that's want i want to see the pros do. Nothing more boring watching a tournament and nobody catching fish. Local ,h.s. college that's not on a even playing field.
It's normal for people to not like change. This will ease with time. I don't believe we are anywhere close to all the fish in the lake. Just because you can see it doesn't mean you can catch. Speaking of let the fish rest,how about during the spawning period those fish get hammered every day. I think that hurts fishing way more than ffs.
It shouldn't be banned but you should show the live view or whatever it's called when covering the bass pro tour so we can see what the guys are staring at instead of just watching the backs of their heads.
Using FFS for fishing is a lot like using targeting drones to find deer so you can just go to them and blast 'em. If you are someone who loves to fish but you don't get to go very often resulting in poor or nonexistent fish finding skills then go ahead and use your FFS to help your grand kids catch fish two or three times a year. If you're a pro then you need to give up the video games while you are on the water. Reading the water skills should be part of what makes you a pro or even a prideful fisher.
Hey JT: Great insight as always: Like any other electronic technology to come along for fishing there’s always going to be pros and cons but I personally I don’t think ffs is going to ruin fishing like so many people think or thought with any other new electric technology that has come along over the years. Is it the be all and end all NO. Like the old saying goes “it’s Just another tool in the tool box.” Just my $0.02 worth…🎣🤔😎🐝
I see both sides of this. Personally, I’m not a fan of ffs; however, if I was making my living by fishing in tournaments, I would use whatever legal means necessary to win, even ffs. So my point is this, as long as it is legal and you want to use it, then use it. If you don’t want to use it, then don’t use it. Either way, all this arguing and bickering like 5 year olds doesn’t do anyone any good. As a society, we need to get back to having meaningful debates without all the cussing and screaming and name calling that has been going on over the last decade or so. Just my 2 cents. Tight lines everyone, regardless of how you want to do it.
You're either a skilled FISHERMAN, or you're a skilled SCOPER...Fishing & Scoping aren't the same...Never will be...the results with FFS prove the difference
What amazes me is the pro FFS RUclipsr guys don’t seem to realize that you are shooting yourself in the foot. The reason we watch your videos is to learn skills and techniques. How many videos can you make about twitching a minnow or a Jerkbait over a school of FFS identified fish. Sure you need a basic understanding of fish movement. But the importance of techniques is greatly reduced. Not to mention the. Lure companies. You need far fewer lures if you you are a FFS guy. Good luck with that.
Well since people like ffs so much and pressuring bass. Then maybe there needs to be a bass season? Or ban it and keep things the way they are? Whats are the opinions on that...GO!!!
I’ll say it again and then I’m done with this topic! Either use it or don’t! Fishing is fishing nobody wind and complained when hummingbird came out with 360 so that you could see out in front of you behind you and the both sides! What’s the difference, this topic has been ground into the ground by so many people and it boils down to go fishing and catch what you can catch. Thanks JT great stuff would like to see you do another video about speed worm, fishing techniques! Tight lines.
Watching fishing is boring, whether they're staring at a screen or staring at the shoreline. But at least with FFS they're catching fish. It is an invaluable learning tool, it doesn't remove all the mystery but it helps in understanding fish behavior. You absolutely cannot see all the fish, and they are not any easier to catch than before in most situations. But your casts are less random and you can eliminate water and techniques much more quickly. And it adds next to nothing to the cost of a new or good used boat given how expensive boats have become, so that argument is a non-starter. If you want to learn more, get it, if you want to continue guessing, don't, but either way, just fish and shut up.
We all like fishing caught a bass traditional fishing doin yer due diligence an figurein them out catchin em when yer scopein when ya have an idea ya might catch fish cuz you can see it eat yer bait takes alot of the fun out of it an yer scenarios are not even close to being relevant catchin bass when its a surprise an yer goin on intuition instinct an what youve learned about bass whenyouve figured them out is way more rewarding an fun feels like an accomplishment not like yer cheatin the bass tha was a majority of their game is not knowing exactly where they are in love feed an haveing to FISH for them
I think it all comes down to how we use it. Because what happens in a small aquarium we will do that example instead because it is better for everyone to understand. You have an child and they keep poking at the glass and constantly harrasses that fish to no end that fish is eventually going to die. Tell me if I am right or wrong bass are kind of the same way right? Say someone keeps chasing the same fish over and over because they see the fish we will say up shallow because I don't believe down deep it matters as much but up shallow and say they are using the fishing sonar and they are getting too into it. And now it becomes harassing the fish. Is that bass going to die yes or no. Because that is the only way I can see it being bad in an negative light. Is this true yes or no? Because I want your take on this too? I hope this an really good question because I am hoping it is. Here's what I think technology should stay but it should be used in an respectful manner to the fish. Tell me if I am wrong or right.
For any tournament series, one transducer to cut down on cost so everyone has a level playing field and doesn't have to feel like they are competing against a bank account. Once the schedule is made up for the season have a random draw for half the derby's to see what tournaments you can use FFS and which tournaments you can't. Have it televised for viewership. This will make a more well rounded angler in the long run forcing everyone to have to learn how to do it ALL. This SHOULD please everyone!! FFS ain't going anywhere.
I have it and enjoy messing around with it. I DO NOT want to have to stare at a screen all day to complete. Alabama rig…no. Livescope yes???? Not in favor of using during tournaments. I said it…..
When you are a professional athlete with elite skills, and competing, and often times getting paid big money to win, its supposed to be about SKILL level. Practicing, mastering your skills to see who is best. All I see with FFS is who can interpret radar and bounce a jig around and watch the fish's reactions and then bounce it around some more and see if he/she bites. No matter what anyone says, FFS is absolutely a unfair technical advantage to fish that has nothing to do with the anglers skill. Its insane this is allowed in the pro level. Actually it shouldn't be allowed in hobby level either. Nothing pro about this. We have managed to now dumb down professional anglers too. I would rather see a whole lot less fish caught to see who had the most skillsets to catch the few that did get caught. That's fishing! Its not about numbers. Its about the anglers skillsets. And that's only one point and there are several others why this should have never been allowed to be in pro OR hobby level. But maybe one day, I can shoot my target buck with a thermal imaging scope at night and call that hunting. I think I will have my wall decorated with antlers and meat in the freezer then and I won't have to freeze my butt off changing stands and patterning deer to hopefully catch them in target bow range. I think I might even get a pro title too. Maybe we can even get some drones out there during deer season. I will fly that thing all around and see where they are bedded and sneak up to them on their downwind side (cause my drone knows exactly where they are located) and throw some corn. Then I think I will also use my AR15, for multiple rounds, just in case I miss the first shot. And if I do, no matter, my drone will find him again. That's super sporty and worth a pro title. Point is.....there is no argument. Fish are a game species....and should be treated as such like all the rest of us have to. Fishing is underwater hunting. And FFS leaves the game animal at an unfair advantage.
Let’s hope all of us that are against it are wrong in 5 years When something becomes easier a lot more people will try it I believe there are only so many quality bass in most lakes I think you will see those lakes take a big hit There will be certain super lakes like Headwaters but pretty soon you will have to make a reservation to fish it
If it's about "catching more bass" just fish farm ponds. There is more to bass fishing than jerking on fish that can't escape the spotlight. Just an opinion.
Dont hate me but your soooooo wrong... I have been fishing since i could probably walk, and now im 56, Its not about catching more fish... its about understanding and perfecting my skills. Your a commentator for MLF and i can tell you if this forward facing stuff dont end the viewership is going to tank. Give me a full day of group A or B without forward facing and i will watch every min. i can, Keep up with this watch the back of someone's head and im gone. Give me the flipping, dragging a worm, brush piles, and some good frog fishing and i will be there.
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You can argue whatever point you want. In our local tournaments the field is cut in half from previous years. It has a huge effect
Fish two local clubs they both have lost almost half the members due to ffs.
It’s no fun just donating money if you don’t have ffs. So yeah I’m seeing it too.
@winstonrocco1981 Agreed. If you don't have FFS you're definitely at a disadvantage.
I quit after 30 years of weekly jackpots and club tourneys on Table Rock.. Sold all my stuff. No longer a competition of skill, it's a dick measuring contest... no thanks.
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I made an account just to reply here. I’m seeing the same thing in Kentucky. Our 2 local clubs have lost over half their members. Look at BFL attendance as well. Especially in highland lake divisions where it especially dominates. People don’t care any more. I’ve had FFS for 3 years now and the honeymoon is over. I wish it was dead and gone so I could enjoy fishing again. And yes I’ve kicked some ass with it, it’s just the same thing over and over to me and it’s killed the variety for me. And killed my two favorite fishing clubs
The point is to call yourself a REAL PRO. You should be able to catch fish anywhere anytime without ffs or any of the electrics
FFS is destroying fishing there is no argument it is what it is
Oh... but we are learning so much about the fish!!!! Yea, your going to learn them to death!!! lol
Have you tried FFS or you just going off what you hear
Those that want to tell others how to fish and telling everyone ffs is killing fishing, no, all you being Karen's is causing a huge turn off to fishing. You don't like it quit fishing. Over pressures, I live in S. Cal, it's over pressured more then anywhere and the lakes are smaller. I can tell you fish adapt and ffs isn't as big a player as it was 3yrs ago.
Killing more and more fish
All the Karen’s complaining about FFS who will pull a single male off a bed allowing every egg to be consumed by panfish are hypocrites use your brain and tell me what’s more detrimental
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this very crazy subject , I like the analogy of Major League base ball not allowing Aluminum bats , yes I love hitting home runs , deep left balls , but understand why they limit it at their level , I love catch bass and have 360 and use to find more pint point structure, but maybe we look at eliminating FFS for tournaments. I tired of the arguments for sure . The worst thing is the cost to fish competently now is through roof , and the technology has pushed this out of reach for most who wish to compete , back on the day LOL , 150 max HP , sonar cost where low , no power poles to bye , gas was cheap , anyway thanks again
The argument is stupid of “you catch more bass” which is the GOAL of fishing. You can hit the ball further in golf and baseball which is the GOAL of both sports with advanced tech but they don’t allow it.
If you wanna catch more bass why not toss a throw net??
EXACTLY
How many bass do you catch in a throw net or have you ever
Or dynamite?
You could if the State Law and Tournament Rules allowed it. Most if not all don't however.
I just don't like over pressuring the fish if that makes sense.
I agree. Each city or state should limit the number of tournaments on a lake per year
Just anxious to see how all this new fishing pressure affects the fish over the next decade.
Would be nice if states were more like Texas . Actually stock bass and not just trout which everyone fishes out in three day after they are stocked
Catching more bass… You can kill more deer spotlight. This is not fishing. Ps I love fishing, catching is just gravy!
The spot lighting argument is stupid . Not even close to the same thing. It’s not fishing! Well that’s an original comment . We’ve never heard that before ! Well some people think it is fishing. But I’m sure you’re more important than they are. I’m not even a big fan of ffs . But these comments childish!
Spot lighting ???? You must be a Randy fan 😂
@@timg185 how’s it different? Never said I was more important than anyone…never even thought that. But I do have a right to my opinion. And that’s all it is my opinion. And it’s worth as much as anyone else’s. Childish? You mean like name calling on line?
@@dustinwright4601 more of a Hank Parker guy. But I agree with the analogy.
@@michaelpotter3667 I never called you a name. It’s not the same as spot lighting because when you spot light a deer. You stun the deer in place so you can shoot it and kill it. In fishing you still have to coax the fish to bite. It’s a living creature that’s moving and you have to follow it when it leaves or find another target. Now , I preferred tournament fishing before FFS. But saying it’s not fishing is like saying vanilla ice cream isn’t ice cream because you don’t like it.
Arguing that it is changing the sport to much and not following the traditions of the sport is valid . Arguing that is not as entertaining to watch on tv is valid. Most of the other arguments are not true or is still unknown. They are just used to bash something they don’t like so they can get their way. Hence my childish comment.
I never said you were childish. I said the argument was childish. Most people are just repeating what they see online because it sounds good.
I’m hoping it cause a 50% reduction in anglers so we have less people on the lake.
It may cause a 50% reduction in BASS... care about that any?
It has killed my local tourney scene so you are gonna what you ask for in tourneys, but people will still fish. But they won’t donate to those of us with FFS anymore and I don’t blame them. Heck I’m getting bored with my 126SV and LV34. I’d gladly only practice with it and lock my transducer out on tourney day to get some more participation back in my area
You said it in one statement. ITS EASIER. That is whole issue of the thing. Shooting fish in barrell. Plus everyone mentions "we are learning so much about bass". We dont need to know EVERYTHING.
It absolutely is destroying tournament fishing. There’s no mystery to it anymore.
You can shoot more deer with thermal imaging. Is it sporting? You're whole goal is more without additional skill. If you need to use naval technology to catch one more bass - you need to find a new line of work.
Valid points all but I think it hurts fishing overall, tackle especially
This is a really good point that I hadn't even thought of...all the tackle companies should be pissed! FFS is reducing tackle to a very particular type/size...typically finesse.
I love it!!! Fish will adjust
If it's just about catching as many bass as possible why not troll or longline or Alabama rigs ?
Fine for us average Joes! Trash to be allowed in the Pros! “The tech allows an angler to have a live interaction with your bait and the fish”! Just the simple fact of this statement speaks for itself! Yes, we all know that it’s an art to perfect! It’s not easy! Blah blah blah! We can all use the amazing tech to learn fish behavior! But, when it comes to tournament time, it’s time to live up to the term professionalism!
I think it’s having a bad outcome on tourney participation in my part of the world. I’m in two clubs that normally drew 50+ boats that have drawn 10-15 all spring in the best time of the year. It’s messing with local tourneys just as much or more than pro ones
Two thoughts: 1) It seems that bass fishing has become solely a rich man's game, if you want to catch more bass. 2) I think the best analogy to eliminating forward facing sonar in competitive tournaments would be the way stock car racing limits all cars to virtually identical equipment so that the competition is between drivers, and not technology.
Very good comments.👍
Not. Tourney fishing has become a rich man's sport, not fishing....
FFS SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE BANNED!
Thanks JT, that was a real and honest of opinion of how you feel. The same people complaining about ffs were complaining about side scan, down scan, etc. back 15 years ago. I’m 62 and I use it because catching is more fun than just fishing. If everyone is honest with themselves their MOST memorable trips were when they caught them!
Imo it needs to be left out of competition. I don’t care about people just catching a few fish with FFS, but tournaments are almost all dominated by it now. It’s got monotonous to just chase fish around all day pitching baits at them till they bite or your decide to pick a new target. I’ve used it for 3 years and the honeymoon is over. Tourney fishing is taking a shit in my area because of it. Nobody even cares to show up because of the few of us who can use FFS proficiently
I guess professional baseball should allow aluminum bats and golf should take restrictions off of clubs and balls so everyone can drive all the par 5's
Why not let them use Aqua View cameras during tournaments…..they would catch more bass…..
So in the end, he is for it. Plain and simple. So if catching more fish is the only caveat then technology will destroy fishing. It is inevitable.
JT: Can’t both sides reach a compromise? Half of the tournaments using FFS. Half without. Will the electronics sponsors still fork out big bucks to sponsor this hybrid model? I love fishing! I love catching! I love releasing most of what I catch (pan fish taste mighty good!) I’m concerned on the impact on our fisheries. Will we catch and keep to many fish and ruin our beloved sport? Loved to hear your option on this. Thanks. Stay safe! God Bless.
I agree with the middle of the road approach - If everyone has access there is no issue. Some limitations may be needed after that love it or leave it.
I don't think any of this will matter when a gallon of milk is $20 and bass boats are $200k
Many good comments about rules applied in other sports to even out the competition or keeping it interesting to the public. You guys changed my mind. I was pro FFS but now I think it should b banned in competition (maybe not in practice?) just to keep it interesting for the public.
As a “scoper” myself I have finally come to that thought myself. Practice you can use it to find some. Tourney day, transducer has to be locked out like they do on TAA (Touring Anglers Association).
Tbh my local clubs have halved in participation and it sucks. No one is showing up especially if they don’t have FFS. Hard to have a good tourney when your club goes from 40 boats to 10-15 boats :(
It kills the bass protection from high 🎣 pressure when you don't have to idle over them to find them. FFS just look around fish fish fish and you may not catch any of those fish but now they are vulnerable. Those are the fish to live to spawn next season unhandled so much. I rather catch a 10 in 3ft shallow than me seeing it in 20 ft and can't see me. Am I working the bait right am I going to fast. Should I use the twitch twitch method. It's gonna hurt years to come because everyone ain't releasing bass because of no FKG bass tournament. Just hooking them hurts to.
Perfect Example; i was fishing canals in SW FL. Water is about 8 feet deep. It's full of eel grass.i couldn't see the bass but I could see the holes in the grass at 50 feet. Caught a bunch of fish, never saw one before I hooked it
I like catching bass but i want to do it own my own not with training wheels.
I just find it amusing the way people justify stuff. Wonder why deer hunters aren't allowed to use infrared scopes yet here anglers are practically doing the exact same thing with fishing. Takes a whole lot less of a "pro" to catch a fish when you use a 100 years of technology to do it. Guess that would explain the reason kids as you said catch more fish when they can actually see them. Sort of debunks the whole argument "just because you see them doesn't mean you can catch them".
All this time I thought fishing was a sport, a competition, between men/women pitting their skill and knowledge against the fish not what Garmin Lowrance etc. can sell anyone to make up for their lack of skill and knowledge. Yes technology is good airplanes do make commuting long distances generally much better but to compare commuting to a competition is apples and oranges. The same with race cars there are professional classes that don't allow every technological advantage known to be used. For the same reason deer hunters don't get infrared.
Once you take the hurdles out of the hurdle race are you really hurdle racing? Finding the fish especially the good fish was the hurdle in most cases. All I'm saying is I do not see this technology helping the sport long term. As stated who will be watching fishing in 10 years if all you see is a anglers back? Not like fishing has ever had the biggest audience and yet here they allow something to turn more away. Same with the anglers and all these high dollar electronics. How many average guys would ever attempt to try and compete knowing it would take a $200,000 rig to just be competitive. On the flip side what is to be gained by using FFS at the professional level? A few more fish caught by less and less skilled anglers?
We all know they wont get rid of them there is too much money behind it. Its always about the money. Obviously its not about the sport or its spectators or they would have pulled the reigns back when they had 2 screens and were trying to put 3,4, and 5 on the boat. A true professional fisherman should have no problem going man vs man not who has the most technology.
For the everyday angler, or weekend angler, or whatever you want to call them I totally agree with you. If there is tool that helps a guy get on fish faster or catch a few more fish, yeah I all game. I have livescope and I like it ,and I think it does have its place but I don't believe that place is in professional fishing. The tours banned a bait because they said it was unfair chase for these guys yet they think this is okay. I believe that is what has most people fired up. If it is all about catching more bass on the professional level then let them use the Alabama rig, or for that matter live shinners, water dogs, and crawfish. Again Im all about the average dude or someone not competing at the highest level using it to help them put as many fish in the boat as they can but as pro fishing a pro circuit I think they should not be allowed to use it on competition days.
Forward Facing Sonar is year round bed fishing.
Except you are not removing them from the bed and preventing reproduction. Big difference!
@MN43725 in the fact you can see them and cast to them, its the same. NO DIFFERENCE.
@@scottreece2421 With bed fish you are catching aggressive bass that will bite to protect their bed, not because they are hungry. You do not need FF sonar. Not much skill there. You are then preventing them from spawning or protecting their bed by removing them. With FF sonar you still need to make them bite and then you can return them unharmed without damaging the resource. Big difference. If you want to make a comparison, I guess you could say FF sonar is the same as using polarized sunglasses. You can see bass under water in real time that you would not normally see.
I've seen Florida Strain Largemouth Bass spawn in the middle before in MacClenny, Florida with my own eyes in 8ft of water.
Hey JT….off the target….seems like the Headwaters catch rates and sizes are down ( still a great place). Can you do a video on what you see as the status and recommendations to improve our catches?
Thank you. Keep it up.
JT - I frequent your stomping grounds when the St. Johns River, Lake Winder and Lake Poinsett are too shallow to safely navigate. You have the most objective view I have heard.
Good stuff JT. There are pros and cons to it for sure. Have MLF and BASS considered having some tournaments where it’s allowed, and some where it’s not? Seems like that would be a good compromise.
Great video JT, and watching FFS or someone using 2D like they have forever is no different you are still looking at their backs. I am with you, I just want to catch more fish!!!
I agree with the golf analogy
I’m with you all the way!! It is what it is!! I finally bought ffs and think it let’s you see underwater habitat and how fish react also it’s pretty freaking cool to see the under water
It’s awesome at first. But when you begin to rely on it you will find that it’s “magic” wears off for most. Thats why you are hearing more backlash about it now. Lots of early adopters like myself are starting to understand it’s monotony and that we must depend on it in competition. That’s not what I signed up for, and I ain’t the only one….
I will admit that the first few months with FFS was pretty dang fun, 3 years in, I loathe it. And I’m good with it. Can’t imagine guys that can’t get the hang of it very well
I have several points. I spoke at the Hog Trough at a sport show in NY over the winter and asked the audience who had it and nobody had it. The we didn’t know that we didn’t know the fish were out there and you couldn’t catch them. My Grandfather new they were there before sonar and we caught them trolling a flat fish. I could see them as soon as he bought a little green box and I could catch them on live bait or trolling. As far as not being able to compete without it I haven’t seen any evidence that I can’t compete without it. That might be true at the pro level but at the club and local level I think it hurts guys that aren’t that good in the first place. I commented on a short of a screen shot that “It’s not fishing “ and I got 800 likes so there’s definitely a problem. Personally I’d rather see they drop the bans on Jet Drives, Tunnels and 20 other things than add another ban. Now that would be fun to watch!
Most young anglers and many more seasoned anglers are for FF sonar. The youth of today is the future of the sport. Catch and release, closed season during the spawn, fizzing, creel limits and slot limits will do more to protect the sport than banning FF sonar.
This technology will no doubt continue getting better and better. I can’t imagine how stupid it will be if the world is still standing in 20 years
I’m wanting to buy it and put it on my boat for my HS team but want to wait and see what the bass tournament organizations do as far as new rules. The other argument I hear against this is it’s just like spotlighting deer. NO IT’S NOT. First off you’ve got to get the fish to bite and that doesn’t always happen. If it were spot lighting all the bass seen on the FFS sonar would be caught and die; get to swim in hot grease. That doesn’t happen so loose the spot light analogy. Do I believe it needs to be regulated? Yes absolutely. There needs to be a limit on how many units can be on a boat. How many sonars can be at the bow and console, how high they can be mounted etc for safety and cost stand points. My two cents.
Your delusional twenty year old kids taking B.A.S.S. TROPHIES , MONEY FROM PROFESSIONAL BASS FISHERMAN THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD SPENDING THERE MONEY FOR DECADES. These kids without F.F.S. AND DADDYS MONEY WOULDNT HAVE A SNOWBALLS CHANCE IN HELL. WAKE UP LOL😂 BAN IT
Is this an crazy question because I don't know myself and want the answer is there away to use forward facing sonar by taking a little pressure off of the fish to catch em better because of the amount of pressure if you on em but can you be back a little bit and still catch em. I ask because it is an skill without fish finders and fishing sonar I have adapted to catching alot of em bass in general. So is it possible to do it on forward facing sonar and on all theses other fishing sonar's as well? If so I'm doing because I like catch more fish too.
Well said, I think it’s here to stay 👍🏻🎣
Got much respect for you man for saying this.. not many people standing up for livescope.. I love my livescope
great video I have a question for you do you know why bass does not come to the Potomac river
That’s why they have classes in car racing… good point!!! Make classes. Forward facing class and real fishing class. Make everyone happy
They call it "old school" now... Thats how they are trying to psychologically normalize it now... 😁
I don't think FFS is ruining tournament fishing but it has changed it. Those who are the most successful at using FFS to locate fish overall will finish higher in the standings and catch many more fish the majority of the time simply because they can see if they are actually fishing fish, or not.
Do you think the electronics companies will jump on board with the advertisements monetization? Such as, pricing the units lower for the regular guys but then every few minutes just like this RUclips video have pop-up ads scroll across they're units?
I bet 90% of these guys against FFS all have power poles, trolling motors that lock them in place, Hummingbird mapping and sidescan and call themselves "old schoolers."
Yes sir they love those
And not to mention they all will pull bass off the bed killing all the eggs
You really think that high tech anchors are even in the same league as FFS? Get outta here with that trolling motor stuff. But if you wanna go that route, you can still fish without a trolling motor on structure and stuff. Go catch those free roaming suspenders without FFS. Come on down to Dale and you use 2d and I’ll use scope and we will see if it’s really an advantage or not lol
I know it's an advantage and I have no problem with it. All I was saying is all these old schoolers use every other piece of technology they can put in or on a boat and think nothing about it but when these guys that have put in the time to learn and excel in FFS they want to get rid of it.
Understand.. But what about all the other baits that you don't need.. The company s will do what with less sales?
Bottom line is !! We've always used the latest technology that's available. Remember the "Flasher"
Thank you for sharing your opinion !
Uncle Randy is not going to like this!! Curious about your take on tournament fishing during the spawn. Yes or no?
Love livescope fishing it’s a breath of fresh air
I can’t say that I’m necessarily for it or against it. What I will say, is I don’t watch the tournaments anymore like I used to. I used to look forward to the live streams, but now it’s the most boring thing I’ve ever watched. The other thing about FFS is, most blue-collar working fisherman have a hard time spending that much money on that kind of technology just to go fishing. Yes, love, catching fish, but I’ve been doing it for nearly 40 years without that technology, and until I can afford it, I’ll continue to do so.
As it's going, no fish will be able to hide. That's pretty much what your saying. Needs to have restrictions on it. Or everybody will be fishing your spots it's taking years to find those sweet spots😂
Be careful JT... Randys Pitchforks and torches crew gives no quarter to middle ground
JT your a funny guy! I know your having to much fun with this FFS ! That’s why I like to watch you and you have a lot of fun fishing that’s why I subscribed! Most of the other fishermen don’t even talk, I like your opinions on FFS and you might like mine- I think the only person that will benefit from FFS is a chiropractor! Yes those fisherman will be going to one to get there back and neck straightened out! But I bet in a couple of years they will look like a 90 year old man all bent over and there chin resting on there chest! The guy I feel sorry for is the camera man in the boat that has to film a fisherman’s ass all day! LMAO!!! Have a laugh on me ! I’m 69 years old and loving this stuff and the pro’s wine about everything! Keep the faith brother! And keep having fun, I’ll be watching! 👍🥸🙏
This isn't fishing, just like spot lighting isn't hunting. Sports like baseball and golf have banned certain technology. Why shouldn't pro fishing do the same? I can't buy the argument you can't stop technolgy. That's just BS. FFS should be banned. Watching fishing on television sucks now. Until these tournament organizations grow pair and stop worrying about the sponsorship from the companies that make these electronics, it's going to continue to suck. Fishing use to be a sport for the common man and now it's become an elitist sport with 100k boats and expensive electronics.
a lot of super deep fish are being caught, that wont survive, even if fizzed and immediately released. but that is acceptable to MLF, as the culling of dead fish is LEGAL in BFL and TOYOTA series! talk about that, jt!
Technology has advanced in bass fishing since the beginning and for the most part we have welcomed it, but now we have something a little pricey, and it doesn’t fit everyone’s style fishing, so there is resistance and some going as far as wanting to ban it. I admit it does seem ridiculous to have five FFS transducers on a boat, so I could see tournaments limiting to one or maybe two.
I’m watching major league fishing today and I’m reminded that some of these guys near the top not too long ago we’re battling at Cherokee Lake using down imaging and sonar and a Damiki rig.
And don’t even get me started about us good old southern boys the first time we saw a Flogger being used. Oh my gosh, people were screaming and cheaters cheaters. Like someone had just invented it and come to find out fisherman on Northern Lakes have been using it for decades. 😂
JT, big fan, my problem is these young kids winning big tournaments would not be winning if they didn't have FFS. I don't think there is any argument here. They just don't have the experience. Take it away for 1 year and you will see a change in the standings.
Jacob Wheeler won the All American at 18 years old on Caddo Lake before FFS.
@@Nitroman56 your right. Do you honestly think the Mckinney kid would have won Fork without it? Wheeler learned to fish without it
Let them catch fish that's want i want to see the pros do. Nothing more boring watching a tournament and nobody catching fish. Local ,h.s. college that's not on a even playing field.
I'm with you JT.
It's normal for people to not like change. This will ease with time. I don't believe we are anywhere close to all the fish in the lake. Just because you can see it doesn't mean you can catch. Speaking of let the fish rest,how about during the spawning period those fish get hammered every day. I think that hurts fishing way more than ffs.
I like catching fish too.
You should've been a politician 😀😀😀😀
He gets a check from the industry so he is gonna play nice.
It shouldn't be banned but you should show the live view or whatever it's called when covering the bass pro tour so we can see what the guys are staring at instead of just watching the backs of their heads.
Using FFS for fishing is a lot like using targeting drones to find deer so you can just go to them and blast 'em. If you are someone who loves to fish but you don't get to go very often resulting in poor or nonexistent fish finding skills then go ahead and use your FFS to help your grand kids catch fish two or three times a year. If you're a pro then you need to give up the video games while you are on the water. Reading the water skills should be part of what makes you a pro or even a prideful fisher.
Hey JT: Great insight as always: Like any other electronic technology to come along for fishing there’s always going to be pros and cons but I personally I don’t think ffs is going to ruin fishing like so many people think or thought with any other new electric technology that has come along over the years. Is it the be all and end all NO. Like the old saying goes “it’s Just another tool in the tool box.” Just my $0.02 worth…🎣🤔😎🐝
I see both sides of this. Personally, I’m not a fan of ffs; however, if I was making my living by fishing in tournaments, I would use whatever legal means necessary to win, even ffs. So my point is this, as long as it is legal and you want to use it, then use it. If you don’t want to use it, then don’t use it. Either way, all this arguing and bickering like 5 year olds doesn’t do anyone any good. As a society, we need to get back to having meaningful debates without all the cussing and screaming and name calling that has been going on over the last decade or so. Just my 2 cents. Tight lines everyone, regardless of how you want to do it.
You're either a skilled FISHERMAN, or you're a skilled SCOPER...Fishing & Scoping aren't the same...Never will be...the results with FFS prove the difference
What amazes me is the pro FFS RUclipsr guys don’t seem to realize that you are shooting yourself in the foot. The reason we watch your videos is to learn skills and techniques. How many videos can you make about twitching a minnow or a Jerkbait over a school of FFS identified fish. Sure you need a basic understanding of fish movement. But the importance of techniques is greatly reduced. Not to mention the. Lure companies. You need far fewer lures if you you are a FFS guy. Good luck with that.
I feel the same way. %100
Well we used flashers then we used 2D then we used downscan and sidescan. Then 360. So it's in the game now!
Well since people like ffs so much and pressuring bass. Then maybe there needs to be a bass season? Or ban it and keep things the way they are? Whats are the opinions on that...GO!!!
I’ll say it again and then I’m done with this topic! Either use it or don’t! Fishing is fishing nobody wind and complained when hummingbird came out with 360 so that you could see out in front of you behind you and the both sides! What’s the difference, this topic has been ground into the ground by so many people and it boils down to go fishing and catch what you can catch. Thanks JT great stuff would like to see you do another video about speed worm, fishing techniques! Tight lines.
I think it shouldn't be allowed any tournaments ! It's spotlighting period, regardless if the fish don't bite .
You're ok with 360 mega live , down scan , side scan traditional fish finders ?
Watching fishing is boring, whether they're staring at a screen or staring at the shoreline. But at least with FFS they're catching fish.
It is an invaluable learning tool, it doesn't remove all the mystery but it helps in understanding fish behavior. You absolutely cannot see all the fish, and they are not any easier to catch than before in most situations. But your casts are less random and you can eliminate water and techniques much more quickly. And it adds next to nothing to the cost of a new or good used boat given how expensive boats have become, so that argument is a non-starter. If you want to learn more, get it, if you want to continue guessing, don't, but either way, just fish and shut up.
We all like fishing caught a bass traditional fishing doin yer due diligence an figurein them out catchin em when yer scopein when ya have an idea ya might catch fish cuz you can see it eat yer bait takes alot of the fun out of it an yer scenarios are not even close to being relevant catchin bass when its a surprise an yer goin on intuition instinct an what youve learned about bass whenyouve figured them out is way more rewarding an fun feels like an accomplishment not like yer cheatin the bass tha was a majority of their game is not knowing exactly where they are in love feed an haveing to FISH for them
I think it all comes down to how we use it. Because what happens in a small aquarium we will do that example instead because it is better for everyone to understand. You have an child and they keep poking at the glass and constantly harrasses that fish to no end that fish is eventually going to die. Tell me if I am right or wrong bass are kind of the same way right? Say someone keeps chasing the same fish over and over because they see the fish we will say up shallow because I don't believe down deep it matters as much but up shallow and say they are using the fishing sonar and they are getting too into it. And now it becomes harassing the fish. Is that bass going to die yes or no. Because that is the only way I can see it being bad in an negative light. Is this true yes or no? Because I want your take on this too? I hope this an really good question because I am hoping it is. Here's what I think technology should stay but it should be used in an respectful manner to the fish. Tell me if I am wrong or right.
Amen Brother, hate it and luv it.😎
For any tournament series, one transducer to cut down on cost so everyone has a level playing field and doesn't have to feel like they are competing against a bank account. Once the schedule is made up for the season have a random draw for half the derby's to see what tournaments you can use FFS and which tournaments you can't. Have it televised for viewership. This will make a more well rounded angler in the long run forcing everyone to have to learn how to do it ALL. This SHOULD please everyone!! FFS ain't going anywhere.
I have it and enjoy messing around with it. I DO NOT want to have to stare at a screen all day to complete. Alabama rig…no. Livescope yes???? Not in favor of using during tournaments. I said it…..
If it does not matter how you catch them, and your opinion is just catch them.
Just let the pros use live bait and Alabama rigs.
When you are a professional athlete with elite skills, and competing, and often times getting paid big money to win, its supposed to be about SKILL level. Practicing, mastering your skills to see who is best. All I see with FFS is who can interpret radar and bounce a jig around and watch the fish's reactions and then bounce it around some more and see if he/she bites. No matter what anyone says, FFS is absolutely a unfair technical advantage to fish that has nothing to do with the anglers skill. Its insane this is allowed in the pro level. Actually it shouldn't be allowed in hobby level either. Nothing pro about this. We have managed to now dumb down professional anglers too. I would rather see a whole lot less fish caught to see who had the most skillsets to catch the few that did get caught. That's fishing! Its not about numbers. Its about the anglers skillsets. And that's only one point and there are several others why this should have never been allowed to be in pro OR hobby level. But maybe one day, I can shoot my target buck with a thermal imaging scope at night and call that hunting. I think I will have my wall decorated with antlers and meat in the freezer then and I won't have to freeze my butt off changing stands and patterning deer to hopefully catch them in target bow range. I think I might even get a pro title too. Maybe we can even get some drones out there during deer season. I will fly that thing all around and see where they are bedded and sneak up to them on their downwind side (cause my drone knows exactly where they are located) and throw some corn. Then I think I will also use my AR15, for multiple rounds, just in case I miss the first shot. And if I do, no matter, my drone will find him again. That's super sporty and worth a pro title. Point is.....there is no argument. Fish are a game species....and should be treated as such like all the rest of us have to. Fishing is underwater hunting. And FFS leaves the game animal at an unfair advantage.
My opinion is that it ruins the competition of trying to learn and grow in the sport.
YES!
They wrecked stick Marsh in my opinion, I don't have ffs though.
Let’s hope all of us that are against it are wrong in 5 years
When something becomes easier a lot more people will try it
I believe there are only so many quality bass in most lakes
I think you will see those lakes take a big hit
There will be certain super lakes like Headwaters but pretty soon you will have to make a reservation to fish it
If it's about "catching more bass" just fish farm ponds. There is more to bass fishing than jerking on fish that can't escape the spotlight. Just an opinion.
Jt.said it’s ok so I’m getting it lol!
FFS is to fishing what the lady’s T box is to golf. IMO
Ban ffs
I know nothing about crappie I got live scope and bring back limit every time
We dont need to know everything about those off shore fish,they need to be proteced .
Dont hate me but your soooooo wrong... I have been fishing since i could probably walk, and now im 56, Its not about catching more fish... its about understanding and perfecting my skills. Your a commentator for MLF and i can tell you if this forward facing stuff dont end the viewership is going to tank. Give me a full day of group A or B without forward facing and i will watch every min. i can, Keep up with this watch the back of someone's head and im gone. Give me the flipping, dragging a worm, brush piles, and some good frog fishing and i will be there.